1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: It's our three on Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: thirty one O three five FM will get caught up 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: on the start of the legislative session coming up at 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: eight thirty. Luke Sprinkle will be joining us. Caro Levin 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: has an interesting investigative report. I wanted to share some 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: details with you about regarding fraud. 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: They write, beyond the headlines and dollar. 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: Figures of Minnesota's medicaid fraud crisis, this investigation finds a 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: human toll, costing the state's most vulnerable their homes and safety. 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: What's interesting about this is the fact that in the 11 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: midst of this desire that Democrats have currently to provide 12 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: a bailout to the businesses that have been impacted their 13 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: words not mine by Operation Metro Surge here in Minnesota. 14 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: They completely ignore what's actually been taking place in the 15 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: individuals that are hurting because of the fraud that's transpired. 16 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: They're just ignoring it completely. In this piece, they highlight 17 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: a couple of individuals. Janil Hansen, who also goes by 18 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: the nickname Sky, has autism. For months, she had allowed 19 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: Caro Levin to follow her life after she was evicted 20 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: by no fault of her own from her Minnetonka apartment 21 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: and forced into homelessness. Now there's no background on the 22 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: individual dealing with autism, what put them in this situation. 23 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: Now that being said, well, typically it's relevant. Here's an 24 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: individual that was taking advantage because they legitimately have autism 25 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: of the autism services and now has been left without 26 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: these services because the fraud has taken place, and appropriately 27 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: these services have stopped because this individual's autism was being 28 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: exploited for fraudulent gain by the very people that were 29 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: providing them the services. And jumping to the spoiler and 30 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: the whole point on this is the fact that democrats 31 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: are just completely ignoring the plight of these individuals while 32 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: they're out there saying that, oh, we need to bail 33 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: out all these businesses, or they're going in withholding liquor 34 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: licenses or at least attempting to of hotels because they 35 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 1: housed ice agents. And yet you have individuals legitimately suffering 36 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: under a disaster that they created on their own, and 37 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: you don't hear a word. Now Sky is still without 38 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: a permanent home, lived in the apartment through a Medicaid 39 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: funded program called the Integrated Community supports ICs. It's designed 40 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: to help adults with disabilities live independently in their own 41 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: apartments with daily, one on one assistance. Her caregivers, American 42 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: Home health Care LLC. Sub leased the space to Sky 43 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: and held the master lease with the apartment complex. Sky 44 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: was current on her rent to American Home health Care, 45 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: so on the day of eviction, she didn't understand why 46 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: she was forced to leave her home. 47 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: One of the questions that popped up in my mind. 48 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: As I was reading this was like, is there no 49 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: room for recourse for an individual who's up on their 50 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: payments and yet gets evicted because of the fraud that's 51 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: being put forward by the individuals that were providing her 52 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: the housing. Court records do indicate American Home health Care 53 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: had stopped paying rent to the building's owners, prompting the 54 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: inviction order. Deputies a court order in hand, they said 55 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: they had no choice. They ordered Sky to pack up 56 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: what she could carry and get out now. For the 57 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: past eight months, depending on whether and availability, Sky has 58 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: slept in tents, cheap hotels, shelters, and her car. Caro 59 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: Levin's investigation uncovered records tied to Sky's caregivers, American Home 60 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: Healthcare who were enrolled as a provider in the Minnesota 61 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: ICs program. Records showed that her daily billing rate was 62 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty one dollars for American Home Healthcare 63 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: to provide roughly twelve hours of daily services. She says, yeah, 64 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: that didn't happen most days. It was like two hours, 65 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: one or maybe two hours. One of Sky's neighbors in 66 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: the same ICs program, Kane Pence, ended up reaching out 67 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: to CARO eleven after seeing the station's earlier Recovery Inc 68 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: investigation into medicaid fraud. Pence, who walks with a cane 69 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: and has severe vision issues, believe people with physical and 70 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: neuro development disabilities were being similarly exploited. I call the 71 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: whole thing handicap ink. Pence said, it's a complete and 72 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: total scam. Pence is a building. Records show that his 73 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: medicaid was charged two hundred and seventy six dollars per 74 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: day every day, claiming nearly eight hours of service. You 75 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: talk about the utter and complete fraud, he said. I 76 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: couldn't get people to carry out the trash. Pence maintained 77 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: that for months he received zero services. Now you read 78 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: these stories and you cover this as I do on 79 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: the show, and every single time I just go, Man, 80 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: what program are we putting forward that isn't fraudulent at 81 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: this point in time? I mean, if so many of 82 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: these are, I mean reasons that are all of them? 83 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: Who hasn't been caught yet deploying the the lonely highway 84 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: theory on all of this. Records show that American Home 85 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: Healthcare build Medicaid on days Pence has geo tagged and 86 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: time stamped photographs proving he was not even at his apartment, 87 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: including a weekend retreat and trips to Iowa State. Medicaid 88 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: billing data shows that since twenty twenty two, American Home 89 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: Healthcare has been paid more than two point two million 90 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: dollars in public funds. Pens actually testified during the September 91 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: seventeenth legislative fraud hearing that American Home Healthcare covered a 92 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: big portion of his rent that made up the difference 93 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: through billing. So they give you a rebate on the rent, 94 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: he said, and within five days they make up for 95 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: it by charging for all these services that they don't give. 96 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: By the way, to date, there have been zero fraud 97 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: charges related to ICs billing by either the Minnesota Attorney 98 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: General's office or the US Attorney's offices. So while you've 99 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 1: got Keith Ellison out there suing the Trump administration somewhat 100 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: thirty two some odd times, you have walls, you have 101 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: Fry out there saying that we need to bail out 102 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: because of the million dollars that Operation Metro Surge has 103 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: caused the state, which means they want you to pay 104 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: for it. And yet here you have story after story, 105 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: example after example of social service programs that are being 106 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: exploited daily and in this case even put one person 107 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: on the street and made them homeless. State records show 108 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: that American Home Healthcare is owned by Jamah Mahmood. The 109 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: company is headquartered out of Mahmud's high end Maple Grove home, 110 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: which online retailer listing show has an indoor basketball court. 111 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: Maybe Sky can move into mah Mood's home. Of course, 112 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: mop Mood didn't respond to Caro Levin's repeated request for comments, 113 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: including a message left directly on his ring at doorbell camera. 114 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: Despite being issued a payment suspension while under investigation for fraud, 115 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: no criminal charges have been filed against the company or 116 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: its owner. But remember, guys, nobody even is thinking about 117 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: fraud anymore or would be remembering fraud. 118 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,119 Speaker 2: If it wasn't for Governor Tim Walls. 119 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: Right, federal prosecutors leading the medicaid fraud investigations have all 120 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: resigned as the US Attorney's Office in Minnesota is now 121 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: dealing with an influx of other individuals to handle these cases. Recently, 122 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: Caro Levin met with Sky at the Hennepin County Law Library. 123 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: She's writing an expungement letter to the court. She's seeking 124 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: to clear the inviction from her record. They made it 125 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: look like I didn't pay, she said. As Guy's search 126 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: for a more permanent living situation has unfolded, she says 127 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: that managing the legal hurdles of an eviction has made 128 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: finding a permanent housing more difficult. My brain likes too, 129 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: My brain likes to have a hard time with it, 130 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: but we try our best. Sky continues to remain homeless. 131 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: And Sky isn't the only one who's been impacted like this, 132 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: Rampant like this because of rampant fraud. And again just 133 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: juxtapose this based off of the commentary from Governor Tim 134 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: Walls and other Democrat leadership, people are genuinely suffering because 135 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: of the fraud under the watch and created by the DFL, 136 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: and they simply do not care. 137 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,119 Speaker 2: On the left. 138 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: Your comments from the iHeartRadio app coming up in just 139 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: a moment right here on Twin Cities News Talk January 140 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: spike in Minneapolis auto thefts continues into February. That shouldn't 141 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: come as a huge surprise. I'll share with you some 142 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: of this story ahead of my conversation with Luke Sprinkle 143 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: from Alpha News at eight thirty right here on Twin 144 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: City's News Talk Am eleven thirty and one O three 145 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: five FM, sharing the details from what is just really 146 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: a sad story. Vulnerable adult to throw out of her 147 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: apartment by deputies as her caregivers face fraud scrutiny. A 148 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: care eleven investigates, evicted homeless paying the price for Minnesota's 149 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: fraud crisis. I want to get to a few of 150 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this story from the iHeartRadio app here 151 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: on Twin City's News Talk. 152 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, John, this kind. 153 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 3: Of fraud is going to continue until we actually get 154 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: a vast majority of elected politicians that are not careers 155 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: like so many that we have. 156 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: Even in the state. 157 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: How many of these politicians have been there longer than 158 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: ten years. Everybody's angry on it comes signable and them 159 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 3: they both for the same people to do the same thing. 160 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: You go take a while. 161 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're absolutely right, because it's all based off 162 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: of emotion and not the reality of the situation that 163 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: we're facing. They are picking and choosing which battles they 164 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: want to fight based solely off of how much political 165 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: capital they can gain from that. It's better for the 166 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: left right now to focus on this ridiculous and these 167 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: arbitrary numbers relating to the amount of economic devastation that 168 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: Operation Metro Surge did and if anybody is upset about that, 169 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: and then if that loss in foot traffic to your 170 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: restaurant or individuals who have to work over time, you 171 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: have to pay that because people are no longer working 172 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: for your establishment. You can be upset, but go and 173 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: point the finger at who's to blame. It's the left 174 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: for going and fear mongering to the point that people 175 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: got scared and had to close their doors, or the 176 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: end of dials that created unsustainable, dangerous situations by getting 177 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: in the way of ice. But you don't hear any 178 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: commentary coming from Governor Tim Walls or individuals in the 179 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: legislature about the plight of the individuals that are affected negatively, 180 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: who were legitimately taking advantage of these services. And now 181 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: in some cases like this poor woman is out on 182 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: the streets. 183 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 4: When will the Minnesota nice bleeding heart liberals realize that 184 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 4: we've invited a cancer into the state of Minnesota. Not 185 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 4: only are the smally fraudsters ripping off all the able 186 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 4: bodied taxpayers, now we're going to go ahead and exploit 187 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 4: our most vulnerable adults, children and elderly. 188 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: God, this makes me sick. That's Mark from New Brighton, Ny. Mark. 189 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 5: So I did see Walls complaining about the lack of 190 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 5: prosecutors and available to deal with fraud on the news 191 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 5: last night, complaining about how the Feds had left. 192 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: So here's my question. Does he not have any control? 193 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 5: Does Ellison not have any control over the workings of 194 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 5: their own departments? Could they not be doing some of 195 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 5: this prosecution? Apparently not, They're too busy taking meetings with 196 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 5: the posters. 197 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: I guess, thanks, Yeah, of course they could. 198 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: First off, regarding this, the prosecutors left, there are other. 199 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: Individuals that are doing that work. 200 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: I understand that I'm not diminishing the value of the 201 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: individuals that were there and the knowledge that they had. 202 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: I wish that those people were still tasked and doing 203 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: the job, but they're not. But other individuals are. And yeah, 204 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: we could be taking care of this at the local level. 205 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: Just talking about it and addressing it would be a start, 206 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: but they don't. Instead, what happens Democrat Federal judges are 207 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: inventing new legal doctrines to free aliens from ice detention. 208 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: From Politico. As written by Bill glahn as Center of 209 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: the American Experiment, federal judges may have found a work 210 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: around to reject the Trump administration mass detention policy after 211 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: an appeals court backed the approach. The three panel judge 212 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: at the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals blessed the administration's 213 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: interpretation of the government's power to systematically detain people targeted 214 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: for deportation even if they have no criminal records and 215 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: have lived in the country for decades. So Bill writes this, 216 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: if you, a non citizen, are in the United States 217 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: without authorization, you are committing a federal crime. There is 218 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: no exception in the law for successfully evading the law 219 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: for decades or years or months, and or for having 220 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: an otherwise clean criminal record in America. You are a criminal. 221 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: The law is crystal clear shall be detained. So judges 222 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: bent on ignoring the law have to be more clever. 223 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: Political reports of the two dis strict level judges within 224 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: the Fifth Circuit have invented a new constitutional right which 225 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: prevents ice from detaining people who have established roots in 226 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: the United States without due process. Those roots amount, in 227 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: legal practice to liberty interest that the Constitution says cannot 228 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: be taken away without at least. 229 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: A hearing before a judge. 230 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: Now, Bill says, I'm otherwise a big fan of liberty, 231 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: but these judges have manufactured a squatter's right to remain 232 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: in America without permission. And keep in mind the detainees 233 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: have already received all of the process to which they 234 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: are due, that is, they have been ordered removed by 235 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: an immigration court. One district judge wrote, the court reiterates 236 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: its original holding that non citizens who have established connections 237 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: in the United States by virtue of living in the 238 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: country for a substantial period of time acquire a liberty 239 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: interest in being free from government to ten without due 240 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: process of law. How does he decide when a connection 241 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: has been established that overwrites federal law. Is it de 242 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: facto citizenship, common law citizenship? Can these non citizens now vote? 243 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: It's stunning to see. And Bill's absolutely right. 244 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: You see the Democrats here locally, the DFL continue when 245 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: they offer up their sympathetic pleas towards the individuals swept 246 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: up in the Operation Metro Surge arrests, and you constantly 247 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: see this. They've been here for so long, they've been 248 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: here for decades. But Bill's right, but your citizenship status 249 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: is the same today as it was, say, ten years ago, 250 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: when you were ordered to be deported, just because you've 251 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: been here longer, like he says, it's not like, oh, hey, 252 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: you get a bonus because you've you listen, you have 253 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: avoided being deported for ten years and you get bonus 254 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: points for that. Congratulations. That's not how any of this 255 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: is supposed to work. Unfortunately, it's how they try to 256 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: go and make it work. And again, I just don't 257 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: think most people really truly understand a lot of people, 258 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: regardless of political party. And it's not a dig on everybody, 259 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: just it's a point of observation. If you go by 260 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: the conservative estimates of twenty million illegal immigrants that came 261 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: in under Joe Biden, if you were to go and 262 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: evenly redistribute those twenty million across all of the states, right, 263 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: you'd end up with, you know, a couple hundred thousand 264 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: per state. But we know that that's not what happened. 265 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: What happened was most of those and those are individuals 266 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: that actually came in contact with some level of federal authority, 267 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: whether it's US Customs and Border Protection, border patrol, or ice. 268 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: They were given their bus passes wherever they wanted to go, 269 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: and they were shipped to other parts of the country. 270 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: The places where they were shipped and where they went 271 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: were mostly the sanctuary city states like ours. So when 272 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: you begin to continue to break down the math, just 273 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: the conservative twenty million to those states, I mean you're 274 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: looking at a million people who came here illegally that 275 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: Democrats are hoping to go and take advantage of in 276 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: a handful of key states that saw the most growth. 277 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it's there for all to see it. The 278 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: data is there. 279 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: When you begin to look at those numbers and then 280 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: you consider how close so many of these elections are. 281 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: We'll just take Minnesota for example. Here hope that john 282 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: illegal aliens are voting sure they are not whether or 283 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: not they're voting, and enough numbers to have to go 284 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: and make a difference as it matter. And for those 285 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: that aren't voting now, Democrats certainly want them voting in 286 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: the future. Why do you think they let in so 287 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: many individuals in the first place, and why do you 288 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: think these judges are fighting so hard making up these 289 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: fantasy excuses for those that have been in the country 290 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: received their deportation orders because they were here illegally. Because 291 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: they want the same thing the rest of the Democrats want. 292 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: They want to make sure that they're fighting for them 293 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: because when and if they have the opportunity to give 294 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: them the pathway to go and vote in the elections, 295 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: they want to make sure they're voting for Democrats. And 296 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: you can bookend the conversations that we've been having on 297 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: the show this morning nicely with what we talked about 298 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: earlier that Democrats do not care about the facts, they 299 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: don't care about the context. It's all about the agenda. 300 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: The Democrat Party has become radical across the board of 301 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: what used to be resigned to just a few key 302 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: members that we would call the squad as being the 303 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: most radical. The entire party is radical now and because 304 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: of that fact, their policies are less popular than they've 305 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: ever been. There's new polling data that was out yesterday 306 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: on CNN that demonstrated that very fact, that shows the 307 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: popularity among Democrats continues to plummet. A lot of bad 308 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: news for them in the midterms. Not a lot can 309 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: change between now and then. But to my point, why 310 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: do you think they need illegal aliens voting? Because they're 311 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: losing popularity, because they're not focused on the issues anymore. 312 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: So instead they need to take advantage of vulnerable groups, 313 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: super serve them with as many government handouts as possible, 314 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: or provide the opportunity to enable rampant amounts of fraud 315 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: to take place so wealth can be redistributed. Also that 316 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: hopefully come election day, those individuals are voting for Democrats. 317 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: Coming up, Luke Sprinkle from alph News will be joining us. 318 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: We'll get an update on the liquor license renewals for 319 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: the hotels that may have housed ice courtesy of the 320 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: Inanneapolis City Council. Fraud, ice and firearms likely to dominate 321 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: the conversation as a new legislative session begins. We'll talk 322 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: with Luke Sprinkle about just how yesterday went as a 323 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: legislative session got underway, plus your talk back of the 324 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: day coming up on Twin City's News Talk Am eleven 325 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: thirty and one oh three five FM. Democrat federal judges 326 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: inventing new legal doctrines to free illegal aliens from ICE detention. Basically, 327 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: they're giving a reprieve if somebody has been in the 328 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: country for a while and avoided being deported. They invented 329 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: a new constitutional right which prevents detaining ICE detaining people 330 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: who have established roots in the US without due process. 331 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: Those roots amount to a legal parlance to a doing 332 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: that thing with my fingers liberty interest that says that 333 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: the Constitution says cannot be taken away without at least 334 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: having a hearing before a judge. We're going to talk 335 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: with Luke Sprinkle from Moultha News here in just a moment, 336 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: but I do want to get to a few of 337 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: your thoughts in the talk back of the day here 338 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: on Twin City's News Talk based off of this. 339 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: So let me get this right. 340 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 6: If somebody kills somebody fifteen years ago at they live 341 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 6: a good life now and married, have children, and they 342 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 6: haven't got trouble. 343 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: Does that means they don't have to go to jail 344 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: for murder? It's a judge. 345 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 4: Sounds right. 346 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: Well, and think about the and again Bill Glahna centered 347 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: the American experiment, you know, brought this to my attention. 348 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 2: You know, squatter's right. So that's what this comes down to. 349 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: Those ridiculous laws that are in place in places like California. 350 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if we have them here wherein if 351 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: you end up inside of a home for a length 352 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: of time, like you can't just even though you don't 353 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: live there, you don't own the place, you're not renting it. 354 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: There's rights involved where you can't just evict the individuals that. 355 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: End up living there for a certain length of time. 356 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: As another talkback said, and I've said several times on 357 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: the show, make it makes sense. 358 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: Good morning, John and Devin Scott. So let me get 359 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: this correct. 360 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 6: If I were to rob a bank, which is a felony, 361 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 6: much as immigration illegally is a felony, and get caught 362 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 6: ten fifteen years down the road, they're just gonna look 363 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 6: the other way. 364 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: Not likely. 365 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 6: So, as we all know the law, you get caught 366 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 6: here illegally six months in jail, immediate deportation thereafter, it's 367 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 6: common sense one oh one, which the left has not 368 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 6: an ounce in their body. 369 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: All right, one more, which is your talk back of 370 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: the day. It's brought to you by minileaf and minileaf 371 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: dot com. Head on over to m I n n 372 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: e l eaf dot com and check out all of 373 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: the amazing products at minileaf dot com. They bring you 374 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: your talkback of the day and congratulations to Rich this morning. 375 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 7: Good morning John Rich here, So the constitution is pretty clear, 376 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 7: it's the constitutional rights for American citizens. If you're not 377 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 7: an American citizen, how was the constitution even being applied here? 378 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 7: They have an immigration hearing that judge makes a ruling. 379 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 7: These these obstructionist judges at the district level or federal 380 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 7: level need to step back and leave their politics at 381 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 7: the doorstep. 382 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely right, Rich, and you are our talk back 383 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: of the day, brought to you by MINILEAFANMNILIF dot com. 384 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: Taste happy at m I n N E l e 385 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: a f dot com. Luke Sprinkle from Alphinous on the 386 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: start of the legislative session, Good morning, Luke, Thank you 387 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: so much for joining the show this morning. 388 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: There we go. 389 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, my apologies there, Luke, my phone wasn't working properly. 390 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, welcome to the show. 391 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 8: Good morning, thank you for having me. 392 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 2: So the start of the legislative session yesterday. 393 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: I know that, you know, typically there's a lot of 394 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, formalities that need to take place as things 395 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: get underway. Give us your first impressions of the start 396 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: of the session and expectations for the remainder of the week. 397 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: And I do know there is a piece that you 398 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: have up at Alpha News now fraud ice firearms likely 399 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: to dominate the conversation as a legislation legislative session begins 400 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: at alphanews dot org. But give us a little bit 401 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: of what transpired yesterday. 402 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, well yesterday, I mean, yeah, they're back in session 403 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 8: for the first time this year, so pretty much from 404 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 8: now until May, they're going to be talking about all 405 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 8: kinds of difference, you know, pretty much every big political 406 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 8: issue under the sun. But yesterday was just kind of 407 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 8: the opening ceremony, and they had a bipartisan on memorial 408 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 8: for former Speaker Melissa Hortman, who, as we all know, 409 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 8: was tragically killed last year. But they had Democrats, Republicans, 410 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 8: the governor was there and it was a big, you know, 411 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 8: kind of bipartisan event just to remember her. And so 412 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 8: that was kind of how everything started. But now today 413 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 8: is where all the actual committee hearings happen, all the 414 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 8: bills come up. So this is when things are going 415 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 8: to start to get no doubt contentious. Democrats have made 416 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 8: pretty clear that ice and immigration and basically responding to 417 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 8: Operation Metro Surge is going to be kind of a 418 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 8: big thing for them this year. They held a press 419 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 8: conference on Monday where they they pretty much said that 420 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 8: you know, everything that happened during Operation Metro Surge, you know, 421 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 8: was terrible and they want to try and respond to it. 422 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 8: I think Senator Aaron a Quaid referred to Operation Metro 423 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 8: Surge and said it had brought a generational devastation, is 424 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 8: what she called it. And so I mean, yeah, you 425 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 8: see the governor he's proposed ten million dollars to give 426 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 8: to small businesses that were affected by Operation Metro Surge. 427 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 8: And basically the thinking from the Democrats as they say, oh, well, 428 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 8: you know, when Metro Surge was going on, all these 429 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 8: people were staying home and you know, they weren't going 430 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 8: out and they weren't working they were scared of ICE 431 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 8: and they weren't going and you know, participating in commerce 432 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 8: and so like, you know, our economy was negatively affected. 433 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 8: And so you know, Wallace is saying, oh, we need 434 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 8: ten million dollars to bail them out. I mean, yeah, 435 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 8: which I don't think the Republicans are going to go 436 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 8: for it all. I mean, our finances, as Republicans a 437 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 8: set are are yet not very good. We're still facing 438 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 8: a billion, multi billion dollar deficit. But I mean on 439 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 8: top of that, you know, they also had bills to 440 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 8: you know, require ICE basically local, state and federal police 441 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 8: to mask to wear masks because they were upset with 442 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 8: some of the tactics ICE were using. They didn't like 443 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 8: that ICE was wearing masks even though you know, ICE 444 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 8: was facing threats and they were being docked and they 445 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 8: were just wearing masks for their own protection. So that's 446 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 8: kind of a big thing for Democrats. They see that 447 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 8: as their kind of golden ticket. I mean, everyone should 448 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 8: remember that. You know, we're in an election year and 449 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 8: Democrats think they can make great fodder out of what 450 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 8: happened during Operation Metro Surge. And conversely, for the Republicans, 451 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 8: fraud is kind of their golden ticket, and so I mean, yeah, 452 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 8: they've already got bills to establish, you know, a new 453 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 8: office of the Inspector General to try and you know, 454 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 8: a new office would basically look for fraud throughout the 455 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 8: government agencies and programs. And they said that is still 456 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 8: their top priority is to pass that, get that into law, 457 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 8: because I think fraud is a big winning issue for them. 458 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 8: So I think, yeah, most everyone can expect both parties 459 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 8: are going to play to their strengths. For the Republicans, 460 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 8: it's fraud. For the Democrats, they think it's operation Yeah. 461 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: Talking with Luke Sprinkle from alphae News to your point, 462 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: I actually have a quick clip this is Aaron may 463 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: Quay to talking about that very issue. There's a piece 464 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: that I have here from the Minnesota Reformer and a 465 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: very left wing publication. 466 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 2: But Minnesota House. 467 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: Republican leaders don't want to talk about immigration enforcement. And 468 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: what I've heard so far from Republicans, they've been coming 469 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: back saying, well, listen, you know, at the state and 470 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: local level, you know this was a federal issue of 471 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: them coming in and conducting this operation. 472 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: There's not a lot that we can do. 473 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 1: But to your point, Luke here's a bit of what 474 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: Aaron Mayquay had to say earlier this week during that 475 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: press conference. 476 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 9: The average Minnesota tenth grader actually has done more to 477 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 9: stand up to this federal occupation than any state Republican lawmaker, 478 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 9: and that is shameful. So Minnesota Republicans as we start 479 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 9: this legislative session have two options. They can continue to 480 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 9: be silent in the face of this economic siege. They 481 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 9: can continue to be silent while their own constituents, business owners, neighbors, teachers, doctors, 482 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 9: children are taken and kidnapped, separated from their family. Or 483 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 9: they can join the hundreds of thousands of Minnesotans across 484 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 9: race place, political and party affiliation who have stood up 485 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 9: against this lawless federal government and demand accountability, demand that 486 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 9: we get our neighbors back and help rebuild once this 487 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 9: is actually over. They have a lot of power to 488 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 9: get this to stop, and I hope they use it. 489 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, in my view, they're putting forward this false assumption 490 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: that Republicans should automatically be wanting to do something about 491 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: what happened with Operation Metro Surge. Clearly they're trying to 492 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: take advantag of what they believe as a winning argument 493 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: to bring people over to other side. Now when it 494 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: comes to the legislative sessions, is a bonding year. We 495 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: did the budget last year, No bills need to be passed. 496 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: I'm wondering. 497 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: I know, we're only one day in, you know, and 498 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: again a lot of just formalities, and they had the 499 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: memorial for Melissa for Melissa Hortman. But you know, is 500 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: there any expectation, Luke, that any of the bills being 501 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: put forward are are going to advance at all? Or 502 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: do you think this is just going to be a 503 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: back and forth legislative session while the while they work 504 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: out the bonding details eventually. I'm just curious if you 505 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: have any sort of gauge based off of what you've 506 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: observed so far. 507 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think you kind of said it 508 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 8: right there, which is, technically nothing needs to get done 509 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 8: this year. It needs to get passed. You know, they 510 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 8: fully funded government through twenty twenty seven during the last 511 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 8: session in twenty twenty five, so technically there's nothing sort 512 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 8: of you know, that's coming down the pipe basically that 513 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 8: needs to be done in order for government to continue functioning. 514 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 8: So I think in that sense, I think the politicians 515 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 8: from both parties are going to have a lot of 516 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 8: leeway basically to kind of get on their soapboxes and 517 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 8: trumpet their you know, various issues for Republicans, fraud for Democrats, ice, 518 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 8: and it could end up being a session where basically 519 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 8: both sides are talking past each other. You know, Republicans 520 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 8: only want to talk about fraud, Democrats same thing with ice, 521 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 8: and it ultimately, you know, there might not it might 522 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 8: not go anywhere. And you know, we know the Houses 523 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 8: evenly split sixty seven Republicans sixty seven Democrats, so you 524 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 8: need bipartisan support for any bill that's going to get passed. 525 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 8: The Democrats made clear that, you know, they don't think 526 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 8: they can get Republican leadership to go along with some 527 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 8: of their like anti ice bills, but they've already started 528 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 8: saying that hopefully they can get a couple of rank 529 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 8: and file Republicans from swing districts to support some of 530 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 8: their like anti ice bills. And so, I mean you 531 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 8: sort of see the the general the upcoming general election 532 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 8: is basically it's already weighing very heavy on the session. Yeah, 533 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 8: and they're already keeeing up all of these these issues 534 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 8: to be kind of the main storylines going into the 535 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 8: twenty twenty sixth election. The Democrats are going to put 536 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 8: a lot of pressure on swing seat Republicans to back 537 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 8: a lot of their anti ICE bills, and you know, 538 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 8: we'll see what happens. I mean, the Democrats are I think, 539 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 8: pretty notorious for trying to publicly shame Republicans into going 540 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 8: along with them and doing whatever it is they want 541 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 8: to do. I don't know that Republicans have a great 542 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 8: history of you know, standing up against that. But well, 543 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 8: we'll see how it plays out. But I think largely 544 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 8: it's going to sort of be two different echo chambers 545 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 8: that both parties are kind of speaking to, which will 546 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 8: ultimately kind of lead into the election in Wayter this year. 547 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really seems like they're you know, I think 548 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: you kind of hit the nail on the head there, Luke. 549 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: It really seems as if they're they're all dispositioning to 550 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: get there, to get their various soundbites and talking points. 551 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: As we get deeper into the year and closer towards 552 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: election day, we do know there are some good things 553 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: being put forward. As a matter of fact, John Cosnik 554 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: has a raft release that went out for the transportation 555 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: hearing today. It's a presentation on a report regarding the 556 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: high subsidy bus routes, examining them mostly in the suburban 557 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: area and looking to restructure how to deliver bus service 558 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: to reduce overhead and eliminate the most weightsful routes. They're 559 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: talking about how it could end up saving the state 560 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: ten to twenty millions. So there are some you know, 561 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: good proposals being put forward. But as you mentioned, you know, 562 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm interesting to watch to see how much of this 563 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: just gets lost in the jockeying back and forth to 564 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: establish those political points ahead of the ahead of the elections. 565 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 8: And I think one big thing obviously to remember is, 566 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 8: you know, Lisa Damus right now is running for governor. 567 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 8: She's the leader of the House Republican Caucuss. So I 568 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 8: think you can expect House leadership I think is going 569 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 8: to like pretty much stay strong on a lot of 570 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 8: these issues. I don't think they're going to cave to 571 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 8: Democrats for a lot of different reasons. I think one 572 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 8: of them is also Lisa's running for governor, and of 573 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 8: course she doesn't want to, you know, give a win 574 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 8: to the other side, So I think that's part of it. 575 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 8: I think the Democrats they see a lot of the 576 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 8: kind of rank and file Republicans sort of these these 577 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 8: swing sea Republicans is the ones that they can kind 578 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 8: of like win over to their side, basically make them 579 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 8: really scared that they're going to lose a suburban seat 580 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 8: and that kind of thing, and then eventually, yeah, like 581 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 8: them pull them over their side. So it'll be interesting 582 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 8: to see on that if there are any members of 583 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 8: the Republican caucus that jump over to the Democrats because 584 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 8: the heat just gets a little bit too much. 585 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: A little bit of time left to talking with Luke 586 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: Sprinkle from Alpinus. Quick update though, on the Minneapolis City Council, 587 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: they're advancing the liquor license renewals for hotels that reportedly 588 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: housed ice agents. 589 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: So now correct me if I'm wrong, Luke. 590 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: They're they're moving forward and potentially going to approve the 591 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: liquor licenses, reapprove the liquor licenses for these two hotels 592 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: that apparently had went and housed ice. They are still 593 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: looking at a bit of an investigative process and they're 594 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: going to readdress this on Thursday. 595 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 2: Am I correcting that? 596 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 8: Yeah? So yeah, So basically they did delay these liquor 597 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 8: licenses by quite a while. Actually, they if everything had 598 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 8: gone normally, they would have been reapproved all the way 599 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 8: back in February fifth, But I mean, now it's February eighteenth. 600 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 8: They're going to look at the licenses again tomorrow. Basically, 601 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 8: a lot of the on the Minneapolis City Council, there 602 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 8: are a couple, I guess you call them pro business democrats. 603 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 8: They're still left wingers in every sense, but they're more 604 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 8: aligned with kind of like the corporate business community and 605 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 8: that kind of thing. Those members of the city Council 606 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 8: were criticizing the idea of kind of withholding these licenses. 607 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 8: They they did not like that idea. You know, the 608 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 8: Minneapolis City Attorney had said that, you know, the hotels 609 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 8: that were applying for these liquer licenses, that they met 610 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 8: all legal requirements obligations, and so, I mean, it seemed 611 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,959 Speaker 8: like it was all all good. But the far left 612 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,439 Speaker 8: members they wanted to hold up these liquor licenses. They 613 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 8: claimed that