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Speaker 3: We are Cincinnati Sports Station and excited to have you

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Speaker 2: We're going to hit on everything today.

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Speaker 3: We've got a little bit of a college basketball primer

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Speaker 3: that we'll get to in our number three. Wes Miller

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Speaker 3: spoke to members of the media just a few moments ago.

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Speaker 3: Will air some of that. Richard Skinner of Local twelve

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Speaker 3: Skinny himself, will join us at two o'clock. We have

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Speaker 3: our weekly Zach Taylor press conference that we will get to.

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Speaker 3: That happens at one o'clock. Your talkbacks and in between

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Speaker 3: all of that phone calls five to one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty, we will get to plenty on the Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: Bengals and what's next. There is a news from the

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Speaker 3: Bengals today Joe Flacco is dealing Austin with an injury.

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Speaker 3: What do we make about Joe Flacco? We know he

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Speaker 3: left the game before the final drive of the game.

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Speaker 3: I believe it's an AC joint injury in the shoulder.

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Speaker 3: It's not ideal. It is yet to be decided on

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco and whether he'll be able to play or

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Speaker 3: not play this coming weekend. But obviously something to monitor

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Speaker 3: for this Bengals team, who at least offensively has looked

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Speaker 3: much different with Joe Flacco at quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Zach Taylor on Monday said Flacco was day to day,

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Speaker 4: did not share specifics. Ian Rapaport says today that it

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Speaker 4: is an AC joint sprain in that throwing shoulder. Rapaport

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Speaker 4: said his status is up in the air for Sunday.

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Speaker 4: We'll hear from Zack at one o'clock today, maybe a

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Speaker 4: little bit more details about that. I would imagine he

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Speaker 4: won't share much, but nothing official from the Bengals about this.

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Speaker 4: We won't get anything until this afternoon when the practice

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Speaker 4: report comes back. But you know, one of the things

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Speaker 4: I want to get into today about this game specifically,

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Speaker 4: is you don't need to rely on the arm of

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco to win the game against the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 4: And I wonder if how bad the defense has been

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Speaker 4: that affects the way that Zach Taylor calls the game

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Speaker 4: or should it. Do we think if Joel doesn't ring,

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Speaker 4: how good the run game has been?

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Speaker 3: Do we think if Flaco does not play that they'll

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Speaker 3: still be able to have the same success with.

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Speaker 2: Jake Brown at quarterback in the past game.

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Speaker 4: No, in the run game, I mean in the run game,

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Speaker 4: I feel like it would be hard to say yes

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Speaker 4: because they don't respect him.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: That just makes it a little bit more roysome.

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Speaker 4: Correct, which would mean, hey, Joe, can you right just

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Speaker 4: hand the ball off for us, just at least look

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Speaker 4: like you're capable throw the.

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Speaker 3: Ball underhand, do something. Forty one year old Mercedes Lewis

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Speaker 3: is back in the NFL with the Denver Broncos. Aiden Hutchinson,

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Speaker 3: coming back from a devastating injury from last year, has

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Speaker 3: signed a contract extension with the Detroit Lions. Lions have

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Speaker 3: done this multiple times in the past couple of years.

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Speaker 3: Austin they draft well and then they highlight who that

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Speaker 3: player is going to be and they want them to

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Speaker 3: stick around and they get it done before the contract expires.

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Speaker 3: Aiden Hutchinson four years, one hundred and eighty million dollars now.

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Speaker 3: Aiden Hutchinson came back from a major injury. Nick Hagland

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Speaker 3: of FC Cincinnati has done the same. Nick Hagland, Austin,

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Speaker 3: just about an hour ago, has been named the MLS

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Speaker 3: Comeback Player of the Year. Nick Hegland, Cincinnati native. FC

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati player now comeback Player of.

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Speaker 4: The Year, has not just came back in played, He's

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Speaker 4: played well for Cincinnati, started in that game against Columbus

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Speaker 4: has been wonderful and been through a lot of crap,

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Speaker 4: as Nick Hagland, a lot of tough injuries, a lot

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Speaker 4: of you know, the mental toll that you have to

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Speaker 4: to come back despite all that, to be productive, to

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Speaker 4: part in that back line for FC Cincinnati. Very cool

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Speaker 4: to see. Congratulations to one of Cincinnati's own.

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Speaker 3: The opponent of the Cincinnati Bengals this this week has

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Speaker 4: CJGJ First Team All Mouth. Yep, nobody likes to talk

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Speaker 4: trash more than Chauncey Gardner Johnson his.

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Speaker 3: Fourth team since the end of last year's football season. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: absolutely insane. Other moves have been made in the NFL

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Speaker 3: as well. The Patriots were busy yesterday Austin. They sent

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Speaker 3: Keon White, a defensive end, to the San Francisco forty

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Speaker 3: nine Ers. In exchange they got a sixth round pick

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Speaker 3: has been traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was interesting. The Steelers worked out several players yesterday,

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Speaker 4: and so This was talked about during the offseason and

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh trying to shore up that back end, especially with

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Speaker 3: Last night, World Series Game four, show Hail Tani on

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Speaker 3: the mound outdueled by Shane Bieber of the Toronto Blue Jays.

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Speaker 2: What year are we in?

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Speaker 3: Otani did go six innings, allowed four earned runs, struck

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Speaker 3: seventh inning for the Toronto Blue Blue Jays, as they

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Speaker 3: the bat of who else Austin Vladimir Guerrero Junior, who

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Speaker 3: We have spent a lot of time, and rightfully so,

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Speaker 3: talking about Show hey Otani and what he's done in

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Speaker 3: the postseason. How about this Vladimir Guerrero Junior in the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: he's betting four to thirty one twelve RBIs, twelve runs,

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Speaker 3: and I think overshadowed a little bit because of what

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Speaker 3: Otani has been able to do. But Vlatt Guarrero Junior

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Speaker 3: and saying do you pitch to this guy? Do you

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Speaker 3: risk pitching to Vladimir Guerrero Junior? No rest for the

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Speaker 3: weary for either of these teams. They're back in action

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Speaker 3: for Game five of the World Series tonight, a matchup

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Speaker 3: pitching matchup of the two pitchers that took the mound

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Speaker 3: for Game one, but Blue Jays Dodgers Game five. This

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Speaker 3: is the final game at Dodger Stadium and then the

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Speaker 3: final two. We'll be back in Toronto if necessary, But

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Speaker 3: the Blue Jays do at least guarantee themselves they will

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Speaker 3: get back to Toronto for another World Series game, whether

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Speaker 3: that's to clinch in Game six, or whether that's Game

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Speaker 3: six to force a Game seven. We find out tonight.

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Speaker 3: Did you catch it all, Austin what Michael Jordan had

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Speaker 3: to say last night?

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Speaker 2: I did? How would you sum up Michael Jordan's thoughts

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Speaker 2: on load management. He thinks it's bs I would say

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Speaker 2: he hates him.

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Speaker 3: Load management is not something that the Goat is a

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Speaker 3: fan of, he said, In fact, it should never happen

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Speaker 3: in the NFL as well, but in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the main point Mike made was, you know, people

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Speaker 4: pay and spend money to come and see you play basketball,

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Speaker 4: and you want to put on a show. You want

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Speaker 4: to keep a rhythm with your team, you want to

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Speaker 4: keep your game sharp, and he admitted he's probably not

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Speaker 4: the best example of what are you doing with the

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Speaker 4: rest of your time that you're not playing basketball every day?

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Speaker 4: But that's another important point. I have a hard time

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Speaker 4: personally understanding load management with the advances in science that

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Speaker 4: the different technology, and certainly the technology at the level

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Speaker 4: understanding why it's such an issue across the NBA. And

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Speaker 4: you know, there have been rumors that load management is

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Speaker 4: tied to this whole gambling thing. I hope that's not

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Speaker 4: Michael Jordan the way he said it.

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Speaker 3: He said, there obviously there are people that work hard

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Speaker 3: that also goes true on road games. He wanted to

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Speaker 3: it was an opportunity for him to continue to prove

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Speaker 3: himself that no matter who you're in front of, you

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Speaker 3: and you you take advantage of that every single opportunity

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Speaker 3: that you have. He's missed game, or he's played on

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Speaker 3: But I could not have agreed any more wholeheartedly with

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Speaker 3: with with Mike Trico, which I thoroughly do enjoy those conversations. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: few games in. I believe the thunder have played five

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Speaker 3: Antonio Spurs, with a healthy Victor Wembin Yama, are also

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Speaker 3: seventy six ers in the Chicago Bulls as the two

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Speaker 2: Bulls go tonight, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a big game with a bunch of

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Speaker 4: former Bulls coming out for the Sacramento Kings, including Zach

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, so few former Bulls coming into Chicago.

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Speaker 4: What a matchup opportunity live before the Bulls tonight, opportunity knocks.

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Speaker 2: Do you have Halloween play and ask you this? You

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Speaker 2: have Halloween plans for the end of the week?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: Will you pass out candy? No?

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Speaker 4: Wow, I live in an apartment building, man, and you

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Speaker 4: sit outside the apartment. No, outside the building? Hell no,

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Speaker 4: not with this mustache. That's called the police.

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Speaker 2: Fair. Fair. It's a big I've never been a big

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Speaker 2: Halloween guy. Okay, that was gonna be my follow up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like you don't like candy?

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Speaker 4: I dressed up as Michael vick one here that aged

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Speaker 4: well age like milk. Yeah, no, I I just it's

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Speaker 4: never been like a huge deal. I like it, like

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Speaker 4: when I go over to my friend's house, or whatever

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Speaker 4: when they have like they have an actual home that

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Speaker 4: candy and do that whole thing. Like, I think that's fun.

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Speaker 4: I enjoy that part of it. I've never been huge

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Speaker 2: We've done it. It's not you know, it's not you

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Speaker 3: Welcome back football in the NATI. ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: Sports Station. I have a question often, Okay. Mike Pennell

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Speaker 2: Yes. Did you hear what Chris Jones said about Mike Pennell.

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Speaker 4: Said that he's a great leader. Yes, we need him

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Speaker 4: Penell made it very clear when he came here originally

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Speaker 3: This team needs leaders. You know, We've cited that for

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Speaker 4: He was here because they had nobody else. But he's

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Speaker 3: should be an easy Not no game plan is easy,

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Speaker 3: but it feels like the idea of the game plan

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Speaker 3: should be, here's a team that's deficient in stopping the run,

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Speaker 3: here's a team that gives up points. We don't want

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Speaker 3: our defense playing on the field much. Run the ball

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Speaker 3: and limit possessions. I mean, it is the exact same conversation, Austin,

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Speaker 3: that we're having about how Utah would, in all likelihood

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Speaker 3: attack Cincinnati this weekend. Run the ball against a rush

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Speaker 3: defense with the Bearcats that gives up yards, run the

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Speaker 3: ball well, and limit possessions for sores being the Bearcat offense.

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Speaker 3: It's the exact framework and the exact conversation that's being

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Speaker 3: had amongst the Cincinnati Bearcuts. And you tell each game

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Speaker 3: that that's just what it is. And now the only

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Speaker 3: concern to that, Austin, if you're Zach Taylor, do you

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Speaker 3: have the answer if it's not Joe Flacco and the

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Speaker 3: Bears come out and say, Okay, we're gonna throw seven

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Speaker 3: or eight in the box at times until you show

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Speaker 3: that you can throw it. Then do you trust this

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Speaker 3: offense enough? No, because with Flacco, I do with Flacco,

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Speaker 3: they do enough in the passing game that that the

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Speaker 3: running game has been extremely effective over the last couple

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Speaker 3: But if I'm an opposing defense and I see Jake Browning,

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Speaker 3: the last thing I'm gonna do is rush for I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna load the box and make you throw it. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's why the health of obviously Joe Flacco

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Speaker 3: is extremely pivotal in this one, because we saw what

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Speaker 3: this offense was when Jake Browning was playing, and it's

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Speaker 3: that's a that's a tough, tough ask if you're the

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Speaker 3: Bengals and Jake Browning is gonna be the guy because

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Speaker 3: Flacco's deal with an injury. We hope to find more

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Speaker 3: about that injury as we go. We'll hear from Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor today at one o'clock. We'll take ourselves a break

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Speaker 3: right now. When we come back, the phone lines are

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Speaker 7: Hit will the deep left center and this one will

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Speaker 4: twelve RBIs in the playoffs and uh.

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Speaker 3: Keeping Toronto in it. That series is tied Game five

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Speaker 3: in la Is tonight. Before shifting back to Toronto.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that if the Blue Jays win the

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Speaker 4: World Series, sho Hao Tani could still win the MVP

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Speaker 4: World Series MVP. If Vlatti wasn't playing at the level

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Speaker 3: to John Poost calling and what's up?

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Speaker 5: John? Good aftering fellows, how are you good?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 5: We're hanging in there.

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Speaker 9: You guys nailed it a few minutes ago talking about

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Speaker 9: the run game.

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Speaker 5: Here's a team that had.

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Speaker 9: A two score lead Sunday for most of the game

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Speaker 9: and only had twenty three rushes. And again, as you said, Austin,

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Speaker 9: in terms of situation football, how poorly.

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Speaker 5: It was done.

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Speaker 9: Think back to the first possession of the second half.

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Speaker 9: You force a punt, You're up eleven and you throw

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Speaker 9: three straight passes. That also happened again later in the

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Speaker 9: game when you're trying to at least maintain a lead.

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Speaker 9: You know, four minute offense is based as much off

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Speaker 9: the run as it is off the pass, if not

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Speaker 9: more so. It's kind of got away from the run

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Speaker 9: a little bit too much for my liking in that game,

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Speaker 9: when you are up to scores, you'd have more than

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Speaker 9: twenty three rushes when you're averaging.

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Speaker 5: Eight yards per attempt.

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Speaker 9: And then also as far as the offense, and it's

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Speaker 9: not to criticize an offense that scored thirty eight points

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Speaker 9: against a really good defense, but they've got to get

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Speaker 9: the other playmakers involved early.

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Speaker 5: Look, Jamar Chase to me and.

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Speaker 9: Miles Garrett are the two best players in the league

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Speaker 9: that don't play quarterback. I mean, Jami Chase is amazing.

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Speaker 9: Forty percent of his snaps come from the slot. He's

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Speaker 9: over the middle making catches. He's not like this outside

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Speaker 9: guy tiptoes and steps out of bounds. But you're gonna

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Speaker 9: get him killed with forty two targets the last two weeks.

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Speaker 9: You've got to get the other guys involved early so

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Speaker 9: that when you go back to them in the second half.

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Speaker 5: They feel in rhythm. It's like a basketball player, right.

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Speaker 9: You got to get your shooters some shots early. Let

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Speaker 9: them see the ball go through the basket. Their confidence

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Speaker 9: goes Hi, you got Yuseivish. You're not going to him

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Speaker 9: till late second quarter, fourth quarter. I mean, he's any

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Speaker 9: kind of great receiver, but he's out of rhythm at

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Speaker 9: that point. You've got to spread the ball a little

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Speaker 9: bit more to try to get all those guys involved

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Speaker 9: so you can call on them later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the.

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Speaker 3: Disparity in which they're spreading the ball around. And I

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Speaker 3: get it, Joe Flacco's no idiot. Jamar Chase is the

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Speaker 3: best in the game. Give him as many touches as

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Speaker 3: humanly possible, but there has to be a counter or

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Speaker 3: counters to that. You have to be able at times

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Speaker 3: to use Jamar Chase as almost a decoy at times

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Speaker 3: to open up something else. They're just not doing that.

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Speaker 3: And one of the questions I had, because I John

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Speaker 3: I was a promoter on Monday, and I talked about

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Speaker 3: this with Mo and we actually had someone calling the

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Speaker 3: show and talk about it. The game and almost your

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Speaker 3: season is hanging in the balance on the final drive

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Speaker 3: of the game and it's fourth and nine and you've

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Speaker 3: got two timeouts left. I would have loved to see

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Speaker 3: the Bengals use a time out there, regroup, get to

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Speaker 3: the sideline, because if you think about the series, before

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Speaker 3: they go three and out, Flacco's heard and he goes

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Speaker 3: into the locker room. So it's not like going into

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Speaker 3: that last drive of the game they were able to

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Speaker 3: talk about, Hey, here's what's coming up, this is what

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Speaker 3: we're looking for. They didn't have any of that, so

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Speaker 3: Flacco runs back out on the field. It probably feels

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Speaker 3: rushed already. He's not in depth with the play calling

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Speaker 3: as it is. It's fourth and nine, you got two

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Speaker 3: timeouts to kill. Take one and get everyone on board.

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Speaker 3: Hey Joe, what are you thinking here? Based on what

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Speaker 3: you're seeing? Jamar, what do you like? T what do

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Speaker 3: you like? Get Dan Pitcher's opinion, Get Troy Walter's opinion.

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Speaker 3: It to me just felt like one of those situations.

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Speaker 3: How many times do we see in football a team

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Speaker 3: would maybe line up, so here's where we're lining up,

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Speaker 3: Let's see how the defense is lining up, and then

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Speaker 3: let's take a time out and make sure we're good.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Instead you just snapped the ball and it feels like

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Speaker 3: it's rushed, and the next thing you know, you're throwing

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Speaker 3: a ball contested to Yoshi over the middle of the field.

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Speaker 3: That's where I would have liked it as whether it's

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Speaker 3: Troy Walters or somebody else to come over and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: fourth and nine, I would assume that they're going to

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Speaker 3: double team Jamar Chase. Is there anything we can do

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Speaker 3: to free up t Higgins here? Can we put them

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Speaker 3: on the same side, Can we send him in motion?

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Speaker 3: Let's just make sure on the biggest play of the

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Speaker 3: year to that date, that everyone's on the on the

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Speaker 3: same page.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a.

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Speaker 9: Mess, absolutely, absolutely, And you look at that defense being

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Speaker 9: so bad they were letting the play clock or actually

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Speaker 9: the game clock go down, because I'm almost considering that

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Speaker 9: they wanted to kick the game winning field goal at

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Speaker 9: the buzzer, because for SUA the week before against Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 9: you give Aaron Rodgers a hail mary who's better than him?

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Speaker 9: They screw that up when they took their final time

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Speaker 9: out with like fifteen or twelve seconds left on the

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Speaker 9: play clock, when they could have drained it all the

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Speaker 9: way down and kicked it as a walk off. Even

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Speaker 9: like you guys mentioned at the end of the second

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Speaker 9: quarter on the Chase Brown touchdown, I'm like, go down

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Speaker 9: at the one because I don't even want to get

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Speaker 9: the Jets the ball back at that point. Just go

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Speaker 9: down and kick a field goal, which those field goals

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Speaker 9: at the end of the half. I'd like to do

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Speaker 9: research on this. When if team kicks a field goal

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Speaker 9: going into the hats, like a walk off second quarter

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Speaker 9: field goal, I wonder what the win percentage is. It

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Speaker 9: seems like those field goals are used. The Patriots had

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Speaker 9: one this week against Cleveland. They turned the seven to

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Speaker 9: six deficit into a nine to seven advantage and then

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Speaker 9: they went on from there. Now, obviously Patriots are better

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Speaker 9: than Cleveland, but just situational football is completely idiotic on

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Speaker 9: this team.

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Speaker 5: I just it's it's mind blowing and.

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Speaker 9: That that that is the coach, that comes from the coach.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the players can take some of the blame,

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Speaker 9: I guess, but the coach is still the final word.

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Speaker 9: And if we're going to praise him when he puts

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Speaker 9: together a great game plan, got to criticize him when

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Speaker 9: he does things wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yep, completely agree, Thanks Fellows. John, Thank you man, have

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Speaker 3: a good one.

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Speaker 2: Austin.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to that play for like, do you

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Speaker 3: think and who would this be for the Bengals? Because

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Speaker 3: I've said many times it's hard to be a head

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Speaker 3: coach and a play caller with everything else going on

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Speaker 3: over the course of the game, especially when your defense stinks,

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Speaker 3: because Zach is probably paying attention to what the defense

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Speaker 3: is or isn't doing. He's he's trying to put fires

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Speaker 3: on that side of the ball. You're making decisions on

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Speaker 3: fourth down and when to run, when to pass. Do

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Speaker 3: you think they have someone in place, Austin that would

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Speaker 3: come up to Zach over the course of a game,

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Speaker 3: say at halftime or third quarter, and say, hey, you

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Speaker 3: know in between series, Hey T's got two targets today,

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Speaker 3: Let's make it a point to.

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Speaker 2: Get him one.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't even blame Zach as much for that,

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Speaker 3: because when you're a play caller and you're in the

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Speaker 3: heat of the moment, you're not keeping track of how

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Speaker 3: many touches anyone has or how many targets. Do you

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Speaker 3: think there's someone on this staff that can do that

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Speaker 3: or that does that.

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Speaker 2: To Zach Taylor? I would think that there is just

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Speaker 2: gotta be right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that they are that inept, and

655
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Speaker 4: it's not long offensively that there wouldn't be that person.

656
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Speaker 4: I also think, based off watching the film, that there

657
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: was a lot of times where Joe Flacco just said,

658
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Speaker 4: I'm not going anywhere else but Jamar Chase. Yeah, there

659
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 4: were four passes that he threw that probably should have

660
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Speaker 4: been interceptions. Now I don't think all of them were

661
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Speaker 4: to Jamar Chase, but there were passes thrown by Joe

662
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Speaker 4: Flacco that he should not have thrown. And there were

663
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Speaker 4: multiple times when there's actually one Andre Yoshavash wins on

664
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Speaker 4: a slant. It's like a double slant. Yoshi is the

665
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Speaker 4: inside guy, Chase is the outside guy. Yoshi's the first read,

666
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Speaker 4: and he wins and has separation, and Flacco doesn't even

667
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Speaker 4: think about throwing it to him. He forces it into

668
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Speaker 4: that window behind Jamar Chase. It's incomplete, that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Like Flacco I think has gotten into this rhythm to

670
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Speaker 4: it a point where it's like I'm just throwing it

671
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Speaker 4: to Jamar no matter what. I'm looking at him first,

672
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Speaker 4: and then we'll figure it out. I would think that

673
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Speaker 4: those conversations are had in the film room.

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Speaker 3: Hey, here's t Higgins, and I wonder here's so and so.

675
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Speaker 3: I wonder too, because I had these conversations had with

676
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Speaker 3: me at times when I played quarterback at the college level,

677
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: of in between a series, just coming up and saying, Hey,

678
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call this on first down. I want to

679
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 3: get a touch to Tea. You know what I mean,

680
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 3: because you can see maybe he is forcing it to

681
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Speaker 3: Jamar a little bit, and just an easy reminder of hey,

682
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna call this coming out here on first or

683
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Speaker 3: second down. I'm calling this so that we can get

684
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: the ball to Tea and go from there. And I

685
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Speaker 3: just I look at that last series and I just

686
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: think of a miss of what it was. Because it's

687
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: important in between series in the NFL, it's important to

688
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: get the the dialect. It's important to visit with you know,

689
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: anything the receivers may have saw with the coaches, you're

690
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: on the iPad, you're you're talking to the other quarterbacks.

691
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: It's it's tough when you go three and out and

692
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Speaker 3: then you're going into the locker room and you don't

693
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Speaker 3: get any of that, and then you come back out

694
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Speaker 3: to the field and oh, by the way, you're now

695
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: down by a point.

696
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: You got to orchestrate a drive.

697
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: Your head's probably just spinning a little bit more than

698
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: what it already was. And so yeah, I think if

699
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Speaker 3: you're looking back on this as as Zach Taylor or

700
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: Dan Pitcher or anyone else, I think a fourth and

701
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: nine timeout would have been would have been necessary.

702
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Speaker 4: The part that I think is most frustrating is that

703
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 4: it's not like this is the first time these guys

704
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: are working together. You know, Dan Pitcher's been here for

705
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: a long time and has worked with Zach for a

706
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 4: long time. Brad Kragthorpe has been here for a long time. Uh,

707
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Speaker 4: Troy Walters has been here for a long time. There

708
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: Scotti is in his second year. Like there's it's this

709
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: operation should be more cleaned up in that situation. Yeah,

710
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 4: that's the part I think is frustrating is like, Okay,

711
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 4: settle down, let's talk about this. And you know, I

712
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Speaker 4: understand maybe you want to preserve the time out. I

713
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: get it, But at the same time, there's no point

714
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Speaker 4: if you if you don't convert the fourth time you take.

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Speaker 6: It with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is uh frustrating.

717
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Speaker 3: Obviously, nothing you can do about it. Now, you push

718
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: forward and uh and hope to not to make the

719
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Speaker 3: same mistake twice. We'll grab one more phone call here.

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Speaker 2: What's up Jonathan, afternoon, gentlemen, It's always a pleasure. Good afternoon.

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Speaker 10: Once.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to.

723
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Speaker 6: Touch on that made me laugh.

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Speaker 11: Yesterday I saw post that said I want the Bengals

725
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 11: to be my pall Bears at my funerals so they

726
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 11: can let me down one more time. Gosh, you guys

727
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 11: get a kick out of that, and then the other

728
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 11: portion coming up to this Bears game. I'm a Bears

729
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 11: fan and I got tickets and I'm excited.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 11: Last week was a bad game because our defensive backs

732
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Speaker 11: were out. We got one possibly returning, and I know

733
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Speaker 11: we just signed a guy to play for the Eagles.

734
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Speaker 11: But man, it's gonna be a very interesting game. A

735
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 11: little chili, but I'm wearing shorts and I'm excited. Let's

736
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Speaker 11: go Bears.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan. Thank you.

738
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Speaker 4: I think you're gonna have a fun time, Jonathan. I

739
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 4: really do the Bears themselves. Austin, let's spend a few

740
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 4: minutes to finish up hour one talking about that Bears team.

741
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Speaker 3: When we come back. We'll then spin that to the

742
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Speaker 3: top of our number two where we're here from Zach Taylor.

743
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Speaker 3: All coming up next on the Home of the Bengals,

744
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: the ESPN fifteen to thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

745
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Speaker 12: Down getting ESPN fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio.

746
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Speaker 2: Welcome back our one Sincy three to sixty.

747
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor and his weekly Wednesday press conference will happen

748
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: at one o'clock.

749
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Speaker 2: We'll carry that. That is next.

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Speaker 3: The team that the Bengals are getting ready to prepare

751
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: for is the Chicago Bears. Let's start with just the

752
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 3: season itself for the Bears, because they start zero to two,

753
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: and part of that to two was getting absolutely routed

754
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: at Detroit fifty two to twenty one. And then they

755
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: did pull off four consecutive wins, those wins coming against Dallas,

756
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: Las Vegas, Washington and New Orleans, so playing much better football.

757
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Speaker 3: I think the disappointing side of this is they went

758
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Speaker 3: to Baltimore on Sunday. Lamar did not play again. Was

759
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: Tyler Hunley who helped hang thirty on the board against

760
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Speaker 3: the Bears and their four game win streak came to

761
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Speaker 3: an end. To me, we have discussed Austin ye deficiencies

762
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Speaker 3: of the Bears defense offensively, though, DeAndre Swift over the

763
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Speaker 3: last couple has had a couple of hundred yard games

764
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Speaker 3: mixed in there. On the ground, He's running it for

765
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Speaker 3: four point six yards per carry. He's also their third

766
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Speaker 3: leading receiver on the year as well, behind Roma Dunes

767
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Speaker 3: and DJ Moore. What worries you most about the offensive

768
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Speaker 3: skill set of this Bears team, it's just.

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Speaker 4: Their ability to run the football. I mean, obviously, the

770
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Speaker 4: Bengals are the worst in the NFL, second worst when

771
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Speaker 4: it comes to actually no, the worst run defense in

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Speaker 4: the NFL, Chicago is tenth and overall Chicago's offense is

773
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Speaker 4: is pretty good. Their twelfth overall, tenth in past tenth

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Speaker 4: in run game and they're averaging one hundred and twenty

775
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Speaker 4: four yards per game on the ground. I mean, the

776
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Speaker 4: Jets were the worst offense in the NFL coming into

777
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Speaker 4: this game last week, and they put up nearly three

778
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Speaker 4: hundred yards on the ground and they probably could have

779
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Speaker 4: had a lot more. So that's the big thing for me,

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Speaker 4: is can you stop the run? It's cliche and it's

781
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: talked about constantly and everybody always says the same thing,

782
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Speaker 4: which is you know, how do you stop a team?

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Speaker 4: How do you win a game? It starts by stopping

784
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Speaker 4: the run. I think the other thing Bears fans would

785
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Speaker 4: tell you is they feel like they've left some meat

786
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Speaker 4: on the bone in the red zone, which I think

787
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Speaker 4: is interesting. I don't know if that's a Caleb Williams thing.

788
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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a Ben Johnson thing. I'm

789
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Speaker 4: not sure exactly what the problems have been for the

790
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: Bears in the red zone, but they have left some

791
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Speaker 4: meat on the bone in that part of their offense.

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Speaker 4: And if the Bengals want to have a path the victory,

793
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 4: it's going to be forcing turnovers. Can you force turnovers

794
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Speaker 4: in the red zone? That I think is going to

795
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Speaker 4: be a big part of this game.

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Speaker 3: Yard at standpoint, Caleb Williams is fourteenth in the NFL

797
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: at two hundred and thirty three yards per game, although

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Speaker 3: he's just completing I believe around sixty percent of his

799
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: passes sixty one point nine percent of his passes. That's

800
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Speaker 3: bottom third in the NFL. So the cleek completion percentage

801
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Speaker 3: isn't there. He's got nine touchdowns compared to just four interceptions.

802
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Speaker 3: But the interesting dynamic and what you brought up was

803
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Speaker 3: the red zone, Austin. When I look at this team

804
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: on paper and I think of red zone success, I

805
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 3: think that I thought they would be getting more from

806
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: Cole Comet and Colston Loveland at this point. I mean two,

807
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Speaker 3: especially with where they drafted Loveland at that high end

808
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: the draft and Comet coming back. I thought those two

809
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: tight end sets would be successful for this team. But

810
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: right now those two can just combine for twenty catches

811
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 3: on the year as a whole, So they're just not

812
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: getting the production at tight end. And I viewed tight

813
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Speaker 3: ends as an extremely, extremely big help in the red zone,

814
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Speaker 3: and really not having them be as dominant as I

815
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Speaker 3: thought is a little bit surprising to me.

816
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know, I know Cole Comet has been

817
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 4: dealing with a little bit of a back injury, but yeah,

818
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 4: it does make you wonder because especially the way that

819
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 4: the tight ends were used in that offense with Ben

820
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Speaker 4: Johnson and Detroit and how impactful they were, especially down

821
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Speaker 4: in the red zone. But you know, the Bengals have

822
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Speaker 4: never been able to cover tight ends. That's pretty much

823
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Speaker 4: a common theme over the last I don't know, thirty

824
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: five forty years of Bengals football that they can't cover

825
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Speaker 4: tight ends, so I would expect a big day from

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Speaker 4: that group for the Bears. I expect a big day

827
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Speaker 4: from the Bears offense altogether. I mean just yeah, That's

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Speaker 4: the thing, like if you just go through the rankings,

829
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Speaker 4: all right, and I know that the rankings don't tell

830
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Speaker 4: the whole story. Total defense, the Bengals are thirty second.

831
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Speaker 4: Rush defense their thirty second, so DFL and both those two,

832
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Speaker 4: and then pass defense their thirtieth. Compare that to Chicago,

833
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: as I mentioned, total offense twelfth, pass and rush offense tenth.

834
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Speaker 4: Then when you flip it to the other side of

835
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Speaker 4: the ball, Chicago does have some issues on defense. They're

836
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Speaker 4: twenty fifth total and they have been a little bit

837
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Speaker 4: banged up, and that's a big issue for them. But

838
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Speaker 4: twenty fifth in total defense, the Bengals are twenty ninth

839
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Speaker 4: in total offense. In pass defense, Chicago is thirteenth. The

840
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Speaker 4: Bengals are twenty first, and pass offense rush defense, as

841
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Speaker 4: I mentioned earlier, twenty seventh in the NFL is Chicago

842
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 4: Cincinnati thirty first, but obviously trending in the right direction.

843
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: I did think it was interesting last week against snoop

844
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Speaker 4: Puntley in the Baltimore Ravens, they generated almost no pressure

845
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Speaker 4: on the quarterback, and that is again part of a

846
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 4: way the Bengals can at least be effective in holding

847
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 4: onto the ball and maybe keeping their own defense off

848
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Speaker 4: the field. If you know, they did a pretty good

849
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Speaker 4: job against that Jets front, who's one of the better

850
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: fronts in the NFL, in protecting Joe Flacco. I think

851
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: they allowed those two sacks, and obviously one of them

852
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 4: got them hurt. But you know, if they're able to

853
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 4: continue that trajectory and protect the quarterback a little bit,

854
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 4: that could be a good thing for the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Williams against that Ravens team did turn the ball

856
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Speaker 3: over once. They could not get anything going on the ground,

857
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Speaker 3: which is surprising because the Ravens defense has struggled at

858
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: times this year.

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Speaker 4: I will say, sixteen points against that Ravens defense not great.

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00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: Sixty of Caleb William's yards came in garbage time at

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Speaker 4: the very end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Ben Johnson thing. Look, it's a dynamic

863
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: that has to be talked about because I remember the

864
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Speaker 3: schedule came out often and talking about I would like

865
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Speaker 3: to play the Bears a little earlier because you feel

866
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: it maybe by that time of the year they'll start

867
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Speaker 3: to have a better handle on what Ben Johnson wants

868
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Speaker 3: them to be. And I would have thought that with

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Speaker 3: the four game winning streak, but it kind of took

870
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Speaker 3: a major step back against the Baltimore Ravens, who are

871
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: not a good defense. But there still is the concept

872
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: out there of scheme and coaching and viewing Ben Johnson

873
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 3: as a weapon.

874
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jimmy's and Joe's versus x'es and oho oh, I

875
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: look at that four game stretch though, Seriously, Dallas, Las Vegas,

876
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 4: Washington and the Saints at Chicago won Are any of

877
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 4: those teams good? H No, I'm not convinced on Washington.

878
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Speaker 2: They're the only one.

879
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Speaker 4: They're the only one that has an argument in my opinion.

880
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: Is the Commanders and the three teams they've lost to

881
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: are potentially playoff teams or Minnesota was at the beginning

882
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 4: of the season, and they obviously are now hurt and

883
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 4: probably not going to recover from that. But it's not

884
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like the Bengals are in that category.

885
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 4: The Bengals are one of the worst teams in the NFL.

886
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that though, I guess, would you say so far?

887
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: The marquee win for Ben Johnson with the Commanders.

888
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so.

889
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, but even not again, as you mentioned, that's not

890
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 3: the same Commanders team.

891
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: I think many people thought they were going to be.

892
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 4: They barely beat the Commanders, they barely beat the Raiders,

893
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: so they certainly have some issues and they are hurt.

894
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: So we'll see what the injury report says later today.

895
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Speaker 4: For the Bears, DA Bears.

896
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Speaker 3: Daw Bears, Let's break, Let's come back, Zach Taylor. His

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911
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Speaker 3: we get to that. It's Wednesday, it's one o'clock. That

912
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: means Zach Taylor is at the podium for his weekly

913
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Speaker 3: press conference.

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Speaker 2: Let's go there now.

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Speaker 14: Today.

916
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 15: We'll see what we can potentially get out of him tomorrow.

917
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 15: So we'll just work through the week. I think right

918
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 15: now it's probably in a fifty to fifty on what

919
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 15: will end up on Sunday. Does he need I mean,

920
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 15: you've seen, you've seen what he's done. Came in played

921
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 15: on a Thursday, you know, after three days of practice.

922
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 15: So I think if anybody, if anybody in this league

923
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 15: can get by with minimal reps right now, it's it's Tim.

924
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 3: So if he if he didn't practice really at all,

925
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 3: if physically he could go Sunday, you would still be Yeah.

926
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 15: And we've got a plan in place to see what

927
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 15: we can do physically during the week. So he won't

928
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 15: be today, he won't be out there during the open

929
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 15: portion of things. He'll come out after that, but we

930
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 15: got a plan in place to see where he's at as.

931
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Speaker 14: The week goes.

932
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 16: The joint of trying to play for the week.

933
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, here's the deal with him. I don't

934
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 15: know because I've never done it. He wants to play

935
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 15: in the game, and so kudos to him. Man, he's

936
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 15: been here three weeks. He wants to play. I hate

937
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 15: speaking for him, but that's what he's told me. We'll

938
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 15: have to work through the week to see if that's

939
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 15: that's able to do that. It's a throwing shoulder, it's painful,

940
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 15: but I mean, the guy who wants to do that

941
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 15: wants to get out there and play with something like that.

942
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 14: At credit to him.

943
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 15: So we'll go through the week and see where it

944
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 15: ends up and have Jake ready to go to and

945
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 15: and just see how it plays out.

946
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 16: You feel like Jake's responded since Yeah.

947
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 15: I've been happy to Jake's responds. He's still working hard.

948
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 15: If he's in there and he gets the opportunity. I

949
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 15: accomfidence in Jake that Jake can win us the game.

950
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 15: So howeverd shakes out will have a great point in

951
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 15: place to help those guys.

952
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 17: Can you elaborate kind of what you mean kind of

953
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 17: the whole kudos to him point about Flacco just getting

954
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 17: here and wanted to play.

955
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean he's been He wasn't here in the

956
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 15: off season. He wasn't invested in our training camp, you know,

957
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 15: and so for him to come in and it would

958
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 15: be easy to make a decision that there's no way

959
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 15: I'm playing, you know. I just I've got an ac joint.

960
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 15: We got a bye week next week. Let's just let

961
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 15: this thing heel up. And that has not been the

962
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 15: communication he's given to me at all. Now, ultimately he

963
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 15: may not be able to play. We may make that decision,

964
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 15: but for him just to want to put it out

965
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Speaker 15: there for our team himself, like he said before, he's

966
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 15: just a football player, that's what he does. That certainly

967
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 15: goes along with me understandable. He doesn't need the rep

968
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Speaker 15: what he's done.

969
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Speaker 18: But how comfortable do you need to feel on Sunday

970
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 18: given to rapidly somewhat?

971
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Speaker 14: No, I really don't.

972
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 15: I mean again, I've I've seen him show up three

973
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 15: days with no knowledge of our offense whatsoever. Jamar got

974
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 15: minimal work that week. The next week, we got no

975
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 15: physical reps whatsoever. And so I think that the proofs

976
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 15: out there that you know, we we could do it

977
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Speaker 15: if we needed to get I'm not, that's not my terminology.

978
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Speaker 14: We'll just work through the week and see rains up.

979
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Speaker 2: He will not practice there, same thing with pain talerance

980
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: almost and just seeing if he gets basically.

981
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Speaker 5: Good enough for Sunday.

982
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Speaker 19: It's probably their question for Jacob him being away for

983
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 19: a couple of weeks.

984
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Speaker 16: It's kind of stress blade not playing. That just kind

985
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 16: of have to see how much you think that helps

986
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Speaker 16: a little bit to clear his head.

987
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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's probably a better question for him. You know,

988
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 15: he's he's had that experience before where he's played for us,

989
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 15: and so again I've got confident him. I've seen him

990
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 15: do it. We'll put together a great plan that that

991
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 15: enhances everything we can do.

992
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 18: Defense eleven receptions, a ton of turnovers, yeah.

993
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 15: Their first in the league, and turnover margin, you know,

994
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 15: and they've had a ton of takeaways, picks, fumbles, guy

995
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 15: guys that have a real knack for the ball.

996
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 6: You know.

997
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 15: I know that the guys that are healthy right now,

998
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 15: the backers and the safeties have done an excellent job

999
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 15: taking the ball away from people anticipating throws. Is doing

1000
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 15: a great job with their covered structures of being in

1001
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 15: a position to be aggressive.

1002
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 14: You know.

1003
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 15: The unknown who their corners are yet know with Tyreek

1004
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 15: to see how he plays out, But those guys in

1005
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 15: the in the dB room, I've had some turnovers as well,

1006
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 15: so a really good job. Again, when you're number one

1007
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 15: in the league and turnover margin, that says a lot

1008
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 15: about how you're playing. And so it's a real challenge

1009
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 15: for our guys to protect the ball, protect the quarterback.

1010
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 15: They've got to give you an and over there as

1011
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 15: the well coach, what do.

1012
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 2: You appreciate about what pe Ryan brings to the offense.

1013
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 15: I mean, he's just the same guy every day. You know,

1014
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 15: for years now. I always used to watch tape when

1015
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 15: he was in Kansas City of Denver. I'd go through

1016
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 15: every week and watch his protections and just consistent throughout

1017
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 15: his entire career, very reliable, hard to bring down, durable

1018
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 15: back understands where you're fitting the ball, does a great

1019
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 15: job of protection, has a great knack for the checkdowns.

1020
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 15: So again, just just the combination of him and Chase

1021
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 15: back there gives you a lot of confidence in your backfield.

1022
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 15: And Tas has really come along too, So it's a

1023
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 15: really good room. Justin's done a great job with those guys.

1024
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 15: Samaj just again, he's the he's the the vet in

1025
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 15: the room that just does it exactly how you expect

1026
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 15: him to. Not not that the other guys don't. They

1027
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 15: do a great job as well, but Samash has just

1028
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 15: done it for a long time.

1029
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 16: You said you wouldn't classify it as a must.

1030
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 5: Winner, you wouldn't use those terms.

1031
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: What is your message.

1032
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 14: To with Flaco's situation?

1033
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: Do you have to do any differently with Sean Clifford

1034
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 3: just in case?

1035
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 15: Well, he'll get Scout team reps, you know, more so

1036
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 15: than he would have in the past, when when Jake's

1037
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 15: got most of those. So again, Brad always does a

1038
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 15: great job during the special teams period. That that's just

1039
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 15: any any quarterback room you're in, that's where you get

1040
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 15: the work for the guys that don't get a lot

1041
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 15: of reps.

1042
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 14: So certainly he'll get more with Joe being out and.

1043
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 15: Uh of practice today, he'll get he'll get more opportunity

1044
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 15: to the Scot team reps and normally Jake takes pretty

1045
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 15: much all of them. So again that's where his work

1046
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 15: will come in.

1047
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 19: Zach, What did you learn over the three weeks that

1048
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 19: Jake was through and a half weeks that Jake was

1049
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 19: quarterback in terms of the way you guys run things,

1050
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 19: the way he played, and then how quickly it kind

1051
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 19: of got better when Joe got your no lessons you

1052
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 19: took from that time period.

1053
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 15: I mean, it's that was a wholesale offense. We got

1054
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 15: to play better and and at times there were tough

1055
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 15: circumstances that the Minnesota game got out of control fast

1056
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 15: with just turnovers that that we've done an excellent job

1057
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 15: of preventing, you know, in terms of the fumbles and

1058
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 15: things like that. Next week we went on the road

1059
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 15: in a tough environment. I think Denver speaks for himself

1060
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 15: right now how they're playing on defense. That's that's been

1061
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 15: a tough challenge for everybody. And then Detroit obviously has

1062
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 15: been a great team as well. They've been getting after everybody.

1063
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 15: So so it was a challenge for any quarterback that's

1064
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 15: playing those units. Obviously we didn't we didn't hold up

1065
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 15: to the challenge in any way, shape or form. That

1066
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 15: was on all of us, and we put that behind us.

1067
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 15: And now our offense is doing a great job these

1068
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 15: last couple of weeks, and we've got to keep doing that.

1069
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 15: And so if it's Jake that steps in. I got

1070
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 15: full confidence that that will continue to operate at a

1071
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 15: high level and and Bill score some points with that.

1072
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 20: Zach, you think that the.

1073
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 15: Offense could pick up Jake's level play given the fact

1074
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 15: that they've been playing at a certain level.

1075
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 14: I think that's everybody.

1076
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 15: I think everybody picks everybody up, you know, and it's

1077
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 15: the quarterback lifting up others, others lifting up the quarterback.

1078
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 15: It's it's that's part of what a great unit does

1079
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 15: is find different ways for different guys to step up

1080
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 15: whatever position they play it may be, and and find

1081
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 15: a way to get the most out of everybody.

1082
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 14: Can you put your.

1083
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 19: Finger on the let's survived the running game in the

1084
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 19: last two weeks, big numbers?

1085
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 15: I mean, I think we've we've had better control is

1086
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 15: not a great word of the game, but just opportunity

1087
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 15: with with drives. I think you has heard me a

1088
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 15: million times. Getting that first first down really gives us

1089
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 15: a chance to get into a flow. And we've done

1090
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 15: a much better job of that these last couple of weeks.

1091
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 15: And so we've got a chance to give the run

1092
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 15: game some opportunity there. And you know, sometimes people are

1093
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 15: so heldent on taking taking away our receivers, you know,

1094
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 15: so it opens up a great opportunity. Our guys have

1095
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 15: done a good job maximizing that, and we have to

1096
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 15: keep that up.

1097
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 21: There's something that switched to a point that you look

1098
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 21: at with the offensive line. It's just saying how well

1099
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 21: he's felt like they have played the last couple of weeks.

1100
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 21: Is there something you feel like has been a turning

1101
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 21: point for them over the course of this year.

1102
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 15: They've worked really hard at it, you know, and and

1103
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 15: even when we weren't really statistically wanting the tape having

1104
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 15: having a great deal of success, we still believe that

1105
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 15: we were right there. It was just we got to

1106
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 15: fine tune some things to continue to improve.

1107
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 14: You know.

1108
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 15: We've we've had two young guards that are playing in there,

1109
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 15: and they're only going to get better with every rift

1110
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 15: they take. And so again we've been mixing in people

1111
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 15: in that room, and whoever it is, whether it's the

1112
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 15: two rookies where there's been Dalton or Lucas, I got

1113
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 15: confidence in that room continue to rise up.

1114
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 14: And again they have a lot of confidence right now.

1115
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 15: So sometimes you just get into a rhythm and things

1116
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 15: start to click and you find a little bit of

1117
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 15: your identity in the run game, you start to maximize

1118
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 15: that and then you have some success and then the

1119
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 15: guys see, all right, we're working. We've got a great

1120
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 15: cohesive unit here. We'll finding success in this. That confidence

1121
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 15: gives you momentum, and then you continue to build off

1122
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 15: that momentum. I think that's just what these last couple

1123
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 15: weeks have been for us.

1124
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 22: There are a couple of run plays where it would

1125
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 22: be a big run and you see Orlando kind of

1126
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 22: a big reaction pointing to the silent that you, guys,

1127
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 22: is that something when you see stuff like that that convinces.

1128
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 16: You to keep going back to it more?

1129
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: That can that impact you a play called?

1130
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 15: I think the success of the run is what impacts

1131
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 15: me as much as anything.

1132
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 14: It's great to have that emotion. It's great to have guys.

1133
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 15: Scott does a great job getting those guys to go

1134
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 15: cover down the field and pick people up. And Dalton

1135
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 15: has some great examples of that in Pittsford that stood

1136
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 15: out to me. Those guys all play with great energy

1137
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 15: and when you're finding success in the run or the path,

1138
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 15: when they us protect and they see Drew sample block

1139
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 15: two guys and I'll throw a stutter, go to t

1140
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 15: Higgins for touchdown. They get us fired up about that,

1141
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 15: as they do for the run game. So I think

1142
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 15: everything gets them excited. When you're having success on offense

1143
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 15: and you're being efficient, you're being explosive and both run

1144
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 15: in pass and will continue to try to attack defenses

1145
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 15: as best we see fit for that week.

1146
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 14: Go ahead, Go ahead.

1147
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 16: Jeff Ted gets a lot of pub for me, just ed.

1148
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: But as a player the last you.

1149
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 6: Know, because he's getting older, it seems like he is

1150
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 6: fitting almost best. He's wondering a few of it.

1151
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 15: As a head coach, yeah, I mean he's he's does

1152
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 15: a great job. He is certainly a leader on the field,

1153
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 15: certainly leader in.

1154
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 14: The old line room.

1155
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

1156
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 15: Probably my favorite time of day with Ted is the walkthroughs.

1157
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 15: Just the commitment to excellency's gotten the walkthroughs and the

1158
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 15: energy he plays with in the detail, trying to get

1159
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 15: it right and asking the right questions to get us going.

1160
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 15: So those are things that people wouldn't even see, you know,

1161
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 15: they see the emotion on the field and the effort

1162
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 15: he plays with. But he's consistent with that throughout the day,

1163
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 15: throughout the purple and it's great when you have a

1164
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 15: captain that's like that and continues to lead others the

1165
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 15: right way. That's he's pulling people up. He's trying to

1166
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 15: make everybody better. He's demanding of other people, and he's

1167
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 15: very demanding of the rookies next to him.

1168
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 14: And I think that's that's a big part of it.

1169
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 16: Bye week is coming up. How much you guys weigh

1170
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 16: that into the decision, you know, whether that's playing or not.

1171
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 15: We'll weigh everything in there, but we'll see how he

1172
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 15: feels as the week progresses, and we'll make a decision

1173
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 15: from that. And again there's certainly an element of protecting

1174
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 15: from himself. Certainly got to trust him how he feels

1175
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 15: and how he communicates. And I trust eighteen years in

1176
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 15: he's probably played with injuries before I can do this

1177
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 15: or I can't do this, And so I think we'll

1178
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 15: get good information as the next couple of days go

1179
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 15: by and make our decision what we need.

1180
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 23: To do given the importance of his position.

1181
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 16: Could it go up to a pregame work at.

1182
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 14: What you want to? We might.

1183
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 15: You know, I've never been in this exact situation, So

1184
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 15: I hate to sit here on a Wednesday and to

1185
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 15: find exactly how the week's gonna look. We have an

1186
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 15: idea in our own heads and Joe's on that same page,

1187
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 15: and we'll just see how it shakes.

1188
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 16: Out exactly in a while.

1189
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, he's been good. I don't have any updates

1190
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 15: on the It's gone as we had hoped. He's had

1191
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 15: a great attitude, great energy about him. Uh you know,

1192
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 15: he's he's in the meetings, met with than one on one.

1193
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 15: He's been great to be around and optimistic and things

1194
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 15: have been going well. But I don't have any update

1195
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 15: on the timeline.

1196
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 24: Back when when the defense needs a lift, You've talked

1197
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 24: about leaders stepping up, you spend more time during the

1198
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 24: practice week leaning that way.

1199
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 16: Watching the defense, around the defense or is that something.

1200
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 15: It's the same as as I always do, you know,

1201
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 15: communicating with the defensive staff, interacting with the players.

1202
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 14: I do.

1203
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 15: I do spend time with the offense as well as

1204
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 15: you're getting ready to call the game. That's important as well.

1205
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 15: So it's the head coach, you gotta you gotta manage

1206
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 15: a lot of different things. And I do everything I

1207
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 15: can to be there for the defense and help them

1208
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 15: with my feedback.

1209
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 14: And that's that's what I do.

1210
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 15: Are you seeing what you need to see out of

1211
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 15: a guy or a couple of guys in that room.

1212
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: I know it's still kind of early in the week.

1213
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, everything's been positive. Everything's the response has been

1214
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 15: what we have. We haven't had an opportunity to do

1215
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 15: a lot yet. You know, we just had the meetings

1216
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 15: this morning and walk through that part is easy. It's

1217
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 15: easy to pass that test, and so again we'll just

1218
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 15: we'll see how the practices go.

1219
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 17: Knowing Ben Jonson for as long as you have, what

1220
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 17: do you thought of his first year as at coach

1221
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 17: and the job he's doing.

1222
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 15: I think he's doing an excellent job. I think he's

1223
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 15: put together a really good staff. He's done a great

1224
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 15: job getting this team to where they're at right now.

1225
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 15: It's it's obviously it's challenging for every team. Everyone's trying

1226
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 15: to find a way to win, and everyone's got close games.

1227
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 15: But Ben's a very smart guy. I think he's been

1228
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 15: thorough and detailed and demanding, and I know that he's

1229
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 15: gonna be very successful during his time there.

1230
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 25: The medical staff feels like Joe Flacco is unable to go.

1231
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 5: What do you do as a backup I mean, do

1232
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 5: you have Joel on the side. I mean, it's just

1233
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 5: the start against nicked up god forbid.

1234
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 14: Yeah, we'll see.

1235
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 15: We'll see as we get through the week well and

1236
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 15: exactly what our quarterback plant will be.

1237
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 16: Where day that the kind of response you hope that

1238
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 16: for kind of what you said Sunday.

1239
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 15: Yeah, you want guys to take ownership and take account

1240
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 15: of really forward and obviously I wasn't in there, but

1241
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 15: the step in the right direction. Everyone's got the right

1242
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 15: intent in mind. Everyone's had great energy, the right intent.

1243
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 15: Everyone wants to play well on defense and help us

1244
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 15: win games, and offense has to do their job as well.

1245
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 15: Especial teams got to step up and do their job

1246
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 15: as well. So this isn't I'm sure they've gotten a

1247
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 15: lot of the attention this week. But at the same time,

1248
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 15: there's things in all three phases. We got to continue

1249
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 15: to improve on the final win.

1250
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: Where do things stand on the trophy between.

1251
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 5: You and your brother?

1252
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 14: It's a great question.

1253
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 15: I kind of forgot about that. We started that so

1254
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 15: long ago. It's in my dad's office. I'd have to think.

1255
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 15: I can't even think the last time we played Monday

1256
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 15: night football in Jacksonville. I think we've been in the

1257
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 15: last time.

1258
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 14: I think we won that, so let's keep that up.

1259
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 6: What does it mean to you to be able to

1260
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 6: coach against them, because obviously unique opportunity to have your

1261
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 6: brother on the opposing side.

1262
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 15: Yeah, it happens. It's probably a bigger deal for my parents,

1263
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 15: you know. I think for my mom and dad to

1264
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 15: just all the all the work they invested in us,

1265
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 15: to see their sons on the sideline, it's pretty cool.

1266
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 15: My sisters are certainly proud. We're proud of them as well,

1267
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 15: So I think just for me impressed, it's nothing. It's

1268
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 15: just we want to go win and we want to

1269
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 15: beat each other. Not a lot of communication during the

1270
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 15: week for our family. I think it's probably a big

1271
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 15: to deal, and I try to stay out of that

1272
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 15: as best I can, of course the week, and we'll

1273
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 15: deal with that after.

1274
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 26: If you were working with that, anything to stand help.

1275
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 15: With him, yeah, incredibly smart. I mean that this is

1276
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 15: no surprise where he's at in his career, the job

1277
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 15: he's doing. I think anyone who's ever interacted with him

1278
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 15: and worked with him would would see this coming. You know,

1279
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 15: one of the easily one of the smartest people I've

1280
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 15: ever been around, great outside the box thinker, very detailed.

1281
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 15: No surprise, He's worked his way up the hard way.

1282
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 15: I mean it was it was you know, when he

1283
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 15: got to Detroit, he had to work up for even

1284
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 15: though he was he was way overqualified for where he started.

1285
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 14: That's just where you do.

1286
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 15: And he just kept turning the trust of people and

1287
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 15: working all his way, all the way up through the ranks, did.

1288
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 14: It all the hard way, did a great job at

1289
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 14: every level.

1290
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 15: He's been at tight end coach to coordinator to now

1291
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 15: the head coach, and so I'm not surprised at all

1292
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 15: the job that Ben has.

1293
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 18: Done that have the number one overall pick they ever

1294
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 18: picked your brain about what it's like to coach in

1295
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 18: the quarterback that went one one you like other head

1296
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 18: coaches and.

1297
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 16: What that's like.

1298
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 15: No, I mean Brian's the most recent example, and he

1299
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 15: didn't really need to ask me too many questions.

1300
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 18: So no, I mean, what's it if you know, if

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Speaker 18: guys were to reach out and say, hey, what's the

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Speaker 18: biggest thing that the neighbors got to be successful?

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Speaker 16: Were a guy who was first overall, what's the biggest

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Speaker 16: thing to make.

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Speaker 15: Sure that I mean, I feel like our guy is

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Speaker 15: just he's another level. I can't compare him to these

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Speaker 15: other guys because a lot of times I don't invest

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01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 15: the time in researching them because that's not going to

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Speaker 15: be our player. So everybody's different. Nothing's ever a sure thing.

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Speaker 15: We felt really good about our guy. It's harder for

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Speaker 15: me to give advice to somebody else. Our guy came

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Speaker 15: in during COVID was all zoom, so how we had

1313
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 15: to work it is different than what people are doing.

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Speaker 15: So there's not a lot I can I can give

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Speaker 15: people that's really gonna help him.

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Speaker 14: Okay, thank you?

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Speaker 3: All right there it is Zach Taylor's Wednesday press conference

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01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 3: ahead of the Bears matchup at home on Sunday. I

1319
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 3: don't think a ton to take away Austin. The two

1320
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Speaker 3: main things are what we've already discussed. Trey Hendrickson is

1321
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 3: not going to practice today. They're going to evaluate him

1322
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 3: as the week goes on. The same for Joe Flacco.

1323
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor put the odds right now at fifty fifty

1324
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 3: on if Joe Flacco will be able to play on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Also said he liked the response from the defense to

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01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 4: have a player's only meeting. Yeah, said that his message

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01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 4: to the team is win the game, which it's hard

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01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 4: to disagree with that just when baby. I thought it

1329
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 4: was also interesting that he said when Shamaj p Ryan

1330
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 4: left the Bengals to go to Kansas City and Denver,

1331
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 4: he would watch his tape every week as specifically past protections.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that's I think that's interesting. Yeah,

1333
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 3: maybe what's wrong with that to spend more time on

1334
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 3: your own team. Well, it's not like Ryan had forty

1335
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 3: snaps a game. Maybe that's maybe eight plays a game.

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Speaker 3: Pe Ryan's played. Well, p Ryan's a beast, dude, He's

1337
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: been love that guy. Also, Bears do lead the NFL

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Speaker 3: and turnover margin.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. That's something to keep an eye on.

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01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what that is.

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Speaker 4: That's a banner worthy stat, right, Joe Flacco does not

1342
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 4: need to practice to play. Yeah, which I don't know

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01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 4: that that's really a big surprise. Didn't get into the

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01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 4: details about why the run game has been successful, but

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 4: did note that drive starts have been a big part

1346
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 4: of that and then teams focusing on their wide receivers.

1347
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Speaker 4: There was a stat a couple of years ago that

1348
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Speaker 4: when the Bengals got a first drive a first down

1349
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 4: on a drive, the amount of times the percentage of

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Speaker 4: drives that they got a first down that resulted in

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01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 4: touchdowns was like the best in the NFL. And that

1352
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 4: is kind of a low key stat Like once they

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01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 4: get a first down, the offense does almost always follow

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Speaker 4: that up.

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Speaker 2: There's just.

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Speaker 3: There's something about the first first down of a series

1357
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 3: that feels like it just kickstarts something. I don't want

1358
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: to shift gears too much, but like there's something you

1359
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 3: see has done a lot this year. When they've gotten

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01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 3: the first first down of the drive, they go tempo

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Speaker 3: on the next play. That's interesting, and it resulted in

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01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 3: Baylor having a burn of time out on Saturday. Other

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01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 3: times it's resulted in a penalty of twelve men on

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Speaker 3: the field and they've gotten some chunk plays after that.

1365
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 3: So one of their main things when they get that

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01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 3: first first down of the drive, they're immediately going to

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01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 3: go tempo to try to put a little more pressure

1368
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 3: on the defense and not allow any subs or anything

1369
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 3: like that to happen.

1370
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Speaker 4: Little things like that can have a big effect it

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01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 4: does on a defense. Last thing I'll say that I

1372
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 4: took away from Zach. No official update on Joe Burrow's timetable,

1373
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 4: but he did say it's gone as we hoped. And

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01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 4: he also said Joe's been in the meetings and that

1375
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 4: he had a one on one with Joe Burrow. Okay,

1376
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's abnormal, but he did at

1377
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 4: least share that this time around, Zach.

1378
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Speaker 2: And Joe only meeting.

1379
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Speaker 3: He's coming from that, all right, and say your talkbacks

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Speaker 3: next Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 27: Now you're time on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: It's at time for talkbacks.

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Speaker 28: Go and grab your phone and record a message.

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01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 29: Just hit that microphone.

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01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: Please keep it clean and don't be mean.

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Speaker 30: And those sprinkl sprinkle drip drips.

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Speaker 2: It's at time for talkbacks.

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Speaker 28: It's suck favorite party since e three sixty, So Austin buddy,

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 28: play those talkbacks on your screen and please try not

1390
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 28: to sabotage it.

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Speaker 3: All right, it's Cincy shirts since he three to sixty

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Speaker 3: here and our number two. These are your talkbacks thanks

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Speaker 3: to Cincy Shirts.

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Speaker 31: Hey, fellas, if we're talking about trades, what about Chase Young?

1395
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 31: I know, we talked about him almost every year, but

1396
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 31: he looks like he's producing pretty well for the Saints.

1397
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Speaker 31: And wouldn't that be something if we've wound up sending

1398
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 31: Henderson back to the Saints and get some draft equity

1399
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Speaker 31: for that, maybe get.

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Speaker 14: Chase Young here and a draft pick.

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Speaker 31: I don't know, Henderson's not really playing much this year anyway,

1402
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 31: and I don't even know what Shamar Stewart is, so

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01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 31: it's worth a swing.

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01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,479
Speaker 3: How many years, Austin do you think the name Chase

1405
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 3: Young has been brought up in Cincinnati?

1406
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 2: Uh? Six?

1407
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 3: At least? I Here, I'm in an whole statement about

1408
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 3: the deadline. I just don't see him doing anything. No,

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01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,479
Speaker 3: I'd like him too, I'd like him to find ways

1410
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 3: to get creative. But one, I don't trust that if

1411
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 3: they get picks in return, the Duke Tobin's gonna utilize

1412
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 3: those picks correctly.

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Speaker 2: And two, it's just not who they are. Well, now,

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Speaker 2: what's happening? Hello?

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Speaker 30: This is former President Ronald Reagan and WAYL I'm excited

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01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 30: about Halloween. In fact, I've already got my costume this year.

1417
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 30: I'm going to dress up as a greased pig. But

1418
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 30: I'm sure some people will mistake me for a running

1419
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 30: back entering the Bengals secondary.

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01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 23: Yeah, Tony and ORDI, this is Dracula from Trannsylvania.

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01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 20: Oh.

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Speaker 23: I just wanted to say how pleased I was that

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01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 23: you had the Halloween themed opening for talkbacks. It's got

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01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 23: my blood pumping.

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 2: Thank you.

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01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 8: Happy Wednesday guys at Stean Madisonville. You know I make

1427
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 8: people mad when I say this. But that bee that's

1428
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 8: down there on the field, that big orange bee, it

1429
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 8: stands for Brown. It doesn't stand for Bengals. It's a monogram.

1430
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 8: It's not a logo.

1431
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 2: This team was never built to win.

1432
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 8: It's only built to make money, which it does very

1433
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 8: very well. The sooner you understand that, then the sooner

1434
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 8: you can stop complaining because it'll never change.

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01:08:58,720 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: I disagree.

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01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 26: It's the Lord. I gotta start bench cut. Should the

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01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 26: Bengals trade someone at the trade deadline? Should they acquire

1438
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 26: someone at the trade deadline? Or do nothing?

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01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 20: Uh?

1440
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: Is this what they will do or what we want

1441
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 2: them to do? He said? Should? Okay? Well what they

1442
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: should do? Those start bench cut.

1443
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 3: I would start by trading someone. I would bench do nothing,

1444
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 3: and I would cut adding anything, because how can you

1445
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 3: trust anything? That you've seen from this team that adding

1446
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 3: something will help them.

1447
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 32: It's up, guys. Be Kahoonei in Kentucky. I was looking

1448
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 32: ahead at the schedule and I see if the Bearcats

1449
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 32: can win this weekend in Utah, and it BYU keeps winning,

1450
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 32: I can see game day coming to Knipper when they

1451
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 32: host BYU later in the year.

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01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 5: Could be playoff.

1453
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 32: Implications on the line with the last time game day

1454
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 32: was at Nipper or have they been?

1455
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1456
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 5: Should they have it?

1457
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 2: I just don't remember it.

1458
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,520
Speaker 32: And then little Birdie told me one of the fellow talkbackers,

1459
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 32: not myself, but just another one's making his debut tonight

1460
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 32: as a PA announcer for fourth and fifth grade basketball.

1461
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 3: Wow, they had that game day a couple of years

1462
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 3: ago when Houston came in town. Right now, the November

1463
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 3: twenty second slate UC in BYU right now, I think

1464
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 3: would be the marquee game. USC Oregon is another semi

1465
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 3: big one Tennessee Florida. Outside of that, Missouri Oklahoma might

1466
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 3: be a top twenty five game. But out outside of those,

1467
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 3: it's not a It's not a very impressive weekend for

1468
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 3: college football. So maybe if they both win, we'll see.

1469
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 5: I'm sending great healing vibes Joe Flacco's way because.

1470
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 9: I do not wish to watch Jake Browning play football

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Speaker 9: in the NFL ever again, Thy wow.

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,879
Speaker 6: Jlight dollars short here per usual.

1473
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Speaker 33: You cannot understand the elation that I felt hearing the rest.

1474
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 24: Of the Cincinnati Bengals fandom wake up to Duke Tobin.

1475
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 34: I've been screaming it for ten years. Every single time

1476
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 34: that he has had a successful season, he.

1477
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 5: Stumbles into it.

1478
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 6: His ego goes, oh, actually, you built this team. We

1479
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 6: can get rid of all these stars and you can

1480
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 6: do it all over again.

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01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 5: Nope, get him out.

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01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 34: The worst front office managing.

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01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 35: Tony and Austin rad from Cleeves. Hey, I just I

1484
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 35: think I half heard you read. Did you say Mike Pennell,

1485
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 35: who was on the Bengals who were supposed to be

1486
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 35: a leader, set in on the defensive team's closed door meeting,

1487
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 35: listened to all of it, and then immediately decided he

1488
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 35: wanted out of here?

1489
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 5: Did you say that?

1490
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 2: And isn't that like to kiss of death?

1491
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 35: How do you interpret that the things are so bad

1492
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 35: that he realizes he needed.

1493
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 5: To get out.

1494
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's exactly how I and I don't.

1495
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 3: Know if it's because of how the team meeting went

1496
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 3: where he was just like, holy cow, this is not good.

1497
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 2: And I think he also knows the Bengals aren't gonna

1498
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: be winning anything this year.

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Speaker 34: Yeah, hey, guyside the NBA sucks. There are a bunch

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01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 34: of defensive delinquents. Dribbling is optional. Imagine Michael Jordan with

1501
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 34: a eurostep aka travel at his disposal fifty points per game.

1502
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 34: These players today are pampered kiddies. Oh that said, they

1503
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 34: don't suck as much as the Mecca of Malfeasons, the

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01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 34: Trinity of Trouble, the Monaga twelve mismanagement known as Brown,

1505
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 34: Tobin and Taylor.

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01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 2: Thank god, this World series is good.

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01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 34: Go Blue, Jayson, go, you see go. Congrats Tony on

1508
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 34: the hall way to go.

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01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 4: I will say that people who say that the NBA

1510
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 4: doesn't play defense don't watch the NBA.

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01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 36: Love Reese's panut, butter cops, hate skettles.

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01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 5: I don't.

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01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 36: It's easy for me. I don't have to dress up.

1514
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 2: I don't see how you already got your mask.

1515
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 36: You have a defensive players only meeting when you don't

1516
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 36: have any players playing defense. The sad thing is, if

1517
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 36: the Bengals would have won, we'd be bragging on on

1518
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 36: p Ryan in the run game.

1519
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 4: Man, the vibes here, if they would have won that

1520
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 4: game all time high, we'd be We've bet people camped

1521
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 4: outside Joe Burrow's house again waiting to see you know,

1522
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 4: is he is he limping?

1523
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: Is it was the boot back on the morning to.

1524
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 37: Rep in the city out here, Sonny hots On, what up?

1525
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 38: Tony?

1526
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 6: What up?

1527
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 37: Body pulled up out of work right now. But I'm

1528
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 37: leaving us talking back as fast as possible. Verchast get

1529
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 37: out to Utah and beat them boys. He's death fan

1530
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 37: based out there, is full of himself thinking that they

1531
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 37: are the class of the Big Twelve. We gonna show

1532
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,759
Speaker 37: you who the real team is in the Big twelve.

1533
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 37: Bengals Man Flacco, Oh man, come on now, jab six quarterbacking.

1534
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 29: This doesn't look good for the Bengals.

1535
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 5: Man.

1536
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 2: There's people going through it all over this.

1537
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 3: It will be tough if all if it's if it's

1538
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 3: brown out there, I might start drinking before kickoffs.

1539
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:55,799
Speaker 35: Oh, America is back hanging in hell on the Great Show.

1540
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 2: Connection.

1541
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 39: So tackling the NFL is like rebounding in the NBA,

1542
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 39: it's about desire and you have to want to go

1543
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 39: get it. How is Dennis Rodman the best rebounder of

1544
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 39: his time in the NBA at six foot six.

1545
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 5: Because he wanted to get the ball.

1546
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 39: He knew how to box people out, he knew how

1547
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 39: to get to the rim, and he had an uncanny

1548
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 39: knack for knowing where the ball was going to bounce

1549
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 39: off the rim. It seems like it's just about hustle

1550
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 39: and desire. Every NFL player should be able to tackle

1551
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 39: at this point in time.

1552
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: Man, I was honestly, I swear like three talkbacks go.

1553
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 3: I was like, man, we've hearn from Jeff in a

1554
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 3: few in a while.

1555
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 2: I feel like.

1556
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 4: Busier in a one arm wallpapering. Charlie Goldsmith says, the

1557
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 4: Bengals are doing a pre practice tackling circle, a circuit.

1558
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 4: As players walk on, a coach says, find somewhere to tackle. Wow,

1559
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 4: they're pinwheels, rolling and medicine balls, a coordinated series of

1560
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 4: drills to work on technique with coaches offering feedback.

1561
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 3: I thought they were doing like Oklahoma drill to start

1562
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 3: the practice. Now they're just tackling pads well, it's early. Okay,

1563
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 3: it's early. Are they outside today?

1564
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 2: Surely not? They gotta be inside?

1565
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 7: Kay? Right?

1566
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 20: Hey boy? Anyway, don it donig deep fifty.

1567
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 27: Holiday, Rudy knows his name.

1568
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 3: Anyways, There's no way Flack as playing this week.

1569
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 5: He's hurt.

1570
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 2: Unfortunately the Bengal season's over.

1571
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 5: Then.

1572
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 3: I getting rid of Duke Cob, but he's been with

1573
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 3: him for twenty five years.

1574
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 5: Sadly.

1575
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,839
Speaker 3: The only thing that will change this organization is death bad.

1576
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 2: I don't like that.

1577
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 38: Baseball America's past time opened up in Tokyo and ending

1578
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 38: in Canada. Truly the World Series, guys, I know I

1579
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 38: didn't just hear Zach Taylor say they're going to put

1580
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 38: together a plan that enhances.

1581
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 2: Everything we do.

1582
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 38: Yep, just wait. I think that is the problem. They

1583
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 38: are enhancing everything they do. It's just that everything they

1584
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 38: do is just not good.

1585
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 17: Tony Toenail and mister Gilmore, it's your boy out, Silverton.

1586
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 17: I talked back yesterday of comparing Bonne Ain't Easy and

1587
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,520
Speaker 17: Duke Toby got me thinking.

1588
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 2: What is your male Rushmore of worst gms?

1589
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 17: I think I gotta go Jerry Jones, Duke Tobin, Bone

1590
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 17: Ain't easy that's a given.

1591
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 39: And then Andrew Berry. I can't think of any other ones.

1592
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 17: I think that's my top four right now. I mean,

1593
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 17: Audrew Mitche will probably be the Giants gym.

1594
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 3: Whoever that dude is in Dallas. He's not good, did

1595
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 3: get go Harrison, did get Cooper flag out of it,

1596
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:46,520
Speaker 3: So maybe.

1597
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 4: The know in the NBA silver probably rigged that. Yeah, worst,

1598
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones is definitely up there. I want to say,

1599
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 4: Jerry Reins dwarf. I don't know if he really counts

1600
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 4: as a GM. Nick Krawl give me a chance to

1601
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 4: where's Tobinat He's not a GM? Oh okay, well, I

1602
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 4: guess him and Nick Kral both aren't technically GM.

1603
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 7: You know, as an Ohio State fan, our root for

1604
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 7: UC to do well in football.

1605
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 17: Me too, And I feel like a lot of Ohio

1606
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 17: State fans, especially in this.

1607
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 2: Area, root for UC as well.

1608
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 34: But it doesn't feel like that is reciprocated the other way.

1609
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 2: It's not.

1610
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 40: I don't know why U see fans hate Ohio State

1611
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 40: so much neither.

1612
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the one great thing we have in

1613
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 2: this state.

1614
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 31: And as far as polst Loving and Cole Comet, you

1615
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 31: know they've been struggling.

1616
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 2: I bet they have a good game this Sunday. Though,

1617
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 2: I feel like I've said a ton of nice things

1618
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: about Ohio State this year.

1619
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 4: You've gotten better, like I've turned to pay, but there

1620
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 4: is still a general nasty hate towards Ohio State.

1621
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 2: Is it just me?

1622
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 38: Or does Zach Taylor's voice sound like sneakers on a

1623
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 38: gym floor.

1624
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: I can see where you get.

1625
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 26: That, Hey, guys, mark us from the groove.

1626
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 24: I got a stark bench cut for horror movies, Scream,

1627
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 24: Child's play, cheaper.

1628
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 3: Oh Man, I will start jeepers, Creepers, I'll bench scream,

1629
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 3: and I'll cut Child's play.

1630
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 4: Oh for three, I haven't seen any of them.

1631
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 14: Yeah, I gotta start bench cut.

1632
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 2: Count Chocula, Cocoa puffs, coco pebbles.

1633
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 4: This is more of my speed as a fat person.

1634
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 4: I got cocoa puffs to start, pebbles to bench, and

1635
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 4: I'll cut count chocula like fruity pebbles.

1636
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 3: This is cereal tony. Yeah, the only one I'll eat

1637
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 3: is fruity pebbles. I won't touch the other two. No,

1638
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 3: it's cocoa pebbles. Oh, I'm out on all of them.

1639
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 3: Fruity Pebbles, Captain crunch life. Those are my.

1640
01:18:53,840 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 33: Three cut Candy Smarties, Good and Plenty or candy.

1641
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 3: Smarties by far the way, No, no Smarties out of

1642
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 3: those three.

1643
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 2: Is the best. You know in your entire freaking life.

1644
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: Good and Plenties is terrible. I'm still talking. Candy corn

1645
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: is worse.

1646
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 4: Now I would I would start good in Plenty, I

1647
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 4: would bench candy corn. I'd cut Smarties. I'm exact opposite.

1648
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 4: I might even start candy corn. Candy corn is good.

1649
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 41: Oh my gosh, Tony Austin coach, bellow, check here. I

1650
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 41: know it's been a while since I uh side the call,

1651
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 41: but I've been busy at North Carolina. Oh yeah, ruining

1652
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 41: my football legacy. Uh, all my hopes and prayers to

1653
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 41: the Bengals. Uh, They're gonna need it.

1654
01:19:59,120 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1655
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 4: Remember when people were saying the Bengals should hire Bill Belichick?

1656
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, ain't that goods crashing? That's pretty amazing.

1657
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 42: Much like Tony, I came up UC basketball fan first

1658
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 42: and foremost, coming up during.

1659
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 2: The Bob Huggins days.

1660
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 42: But by extension, I became a UC football fan mainly

1661
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 42: because of one Tony Pike. But I've always found myself

1662
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 42: rooting for Ohio State as well. I mean, I don't

1663
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 42: want to see them do bad. They're not first in

1664
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 42: my heart, but I definitely root for him. Okay, I

1665
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:37,440
Speaker 42: appreciate speaking of the Bearcats. Evan Pryor officially out Saturday.

1666
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 42: For the Bearcats.

1667
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 16: It's Jack Austin Effers.

1668
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 15: Question will takes from you over the years, But the

1669
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 15: biggest is cutting count choculate.

1670
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 20: Come on, the gimmick is great, the seasonality is perfect.

1671
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 16: It's nice and chocolate.

1672
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 20: Do you get those good marshmallows?

1673
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 6: Do better?

1674
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 4: Man on everything I own, I swear to you have

1675
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 4: never had count track count choculate. So that was the

1676
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 4: reason why I cut it. I cut it not because

1677
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 4: as I dislike it, but because I've never.

1678
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 2: Had hand up. That's fair, Yeah, all right?

1679
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1680
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 3: Was it really not ideal to hear that about Evan Pryor?

1681
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 3: And so we maybe follow along this week, but so

1682
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 3: no zoom, all boom, all boom, and then Manny covey,

1683
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 3: manny covey, Manny covey, like McCovey cove That's right, all right,

1684
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 3: maybe he'll be.

1685
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 2: The home run hitter. Not ideal, but not ideal, you.

1686
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 4: Know, Bill Cunningham is walking around the holes here saying,

1687
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 4: you see is gonna get smoked on.

1688
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 3: He is man, he is. We've got a people, he's

1689
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 3: a guy. We got a hot Pudge Sunday. Bet that

1690
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 3: somehow you're in as well.

1691
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1692
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: I said, I don't want to be a part of it,

1693
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 2: and he looped me into it anyway.

1694
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So regardless of who wins, you get a hot

1695
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 3: Pudge Sunday.

1696
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:47,839
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1697
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 3: If he loses, he buys for all of us. If

1698
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 3: I lose, I have to buy for all of us.

1699
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 3: And you just sit back.

1700
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 4: And you saw me though, you heard me saying I

1701
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 4: don't want anything to do.

1702
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 3: He said, I want no action there. He said, all right,

1703
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 3: Austin's in, all right, all right, Dan, we'll be back

1704
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 3: plenty more to go. Hour number two and we get

1705
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 3: to the third and final hour, Richard Skinner will join us,

1706
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 3: and we've got some Wes Miller audio as well. If

1707
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 3: we can fit one in between now and the end

1708
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 3: of our two we'll take a phone call at five one, three, seven, four, nine,

1709
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty sinc E three to sixty on the Home

1710
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 3: of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty.

1711
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: Well in the NATI brought to you by butt Light

1712
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:29,560
Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1713
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 3: Welcome back it is since he three to sixty thanks

1714
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 3: to Cincy Shirts on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1715
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 3: Do you know Austin the college football weekend that's here?

1716
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 3: Was like, remember when the season was getting started and

1717
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 3: there was like this social media post going around about

1718
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 3: this college football weekend and not scheduling anything around it,

1719
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 3: and kind of where it's fallen since then. Yeah, I

1720
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 3: mean this is pennstatee Ohio State preseason number one and

1721
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 3: number two. Ben State stinks, Penn State's terrible, Vandy and

1722
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 3: Texas Texas stinks. SMU was ranked before the year. They're

1723
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 3: now on rank taking on Miami West. Virginia stinks. Louisville

1724
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech carries no wage. Florida is no longer ranked.

1725
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 3: They have fired their coach. That loses a little bit

1726
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 3: of its luster. Kansas State was a highly ranked team

1727
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 3: going into the year. Texas Tech Kansas State play South

1728
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 3: Carolina was a top fifteen preseason team. They take on

1729
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 3: Old Miss Oklahoma, Tennessee, USC Nebraska. It's just weird how

1730
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 3: the season is unfolded, and a lot of these marquee

1731
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 3: matchups that were circled for this weekend no longer really

1732
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 3: feel marquee.

1733
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 4: I still think Oklahoma Tennessee has some juice. I'm interested

1734
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 4: in seeing that you mentioned. I don't know if you

1735
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 4: mentioned Notre Dame or not, but Boston College is one

1736
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 4: in seven.

1737
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:51,520
Speaker 2: Yikes.

1738
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,839
Speaker 4: Their head coach is Bill O'Brien, and he was supposed

1739
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 4: to come home and infuse so much energy into the

1740
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 4: Boston College program. They are one and seven.

1741
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 2: Do you know who else was supposed to do that?

1742
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 4: Dead last in the ACC? I mean, they're worse than

1743
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 4: North Carolina.

1744
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 2: Amazing.

1745
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 4: By the way, Bill O'Brien, another Bill Belichick disciple, you

1746
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 4: were saying, you know who.

1747
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 2: Else was supposed to do that? At their school? They

1748
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 2: were turning to who's that Rich Rodriguez. That's not a surprise.

1749
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 2: West Virginia's two and six and the big twelve. Rich

1750
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 2: Rod's a fraud.

1751
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 3: I guess you could also put maybe you could put

1752
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 3: Scott frost in out of UCF.

1753
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 2: That's been a disappointing year. I feel like that's hard, yeah,

1754
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 2: to do that right away, but.

1755
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 3: You know it's not disappointing is what the Miami RedHawks

1756
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 3: have done. They just keep winning. They're now four and

1757
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 3: l in the the MAC and this is what they do.

1758
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 3: And you know what, next week starts action.

1759
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 4: I thought that they already started their games like on

1760
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 4: Tuesdays and stuff.

1761
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, the games that have been on Tuesday, though, that's

1762
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 3: not MAC jack or something like that. This Tuesday coming up,

1763
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 3: November fourth, What a way to kick it off? Austin

1764
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 3: Miami and OU Battle of the Bricks ESPN two. Yeah,

1765
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:14,839
Speaker 3: on Tuesday night. I love football. I like college football.

1766
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 3: I find absolutely no interest in those midweek I struggle

1767
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 3: school games.

1768
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: I struggle with midweek games.

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01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 4: It is maction is a little bit different because I'm

1770
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 4: familiar with those schools, but like those teams that I

1771
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 4: have no idea who they are.

1772
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 3: Like, if you're if you're looking for potential, there's two

1773
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 3: games tonight, Jacksonville State and Middle Tennessee.

1774
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 2: Oh sign me up.

1775
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 4: They are combined five and nine those two teams.

1776
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 3: Thanks mercifully. Wisconsin has a bye this weekend, so if

1777
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 3: you're looking for next coaches to potentially be fired, maybe

1778
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 3: it happens during the bye week.

1779
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 2: Maybe not.

1780
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 3: And Mark Stu oops. Who is oh and five in

1781
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 3: the SEC is at Auburn on Saturday night as well.

1782
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 3: That is a name to keep an eye on.

1783
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 4: Do you have any comment on the Sam Houston Bearcats

1784
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 4: with a K?

1785
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 2: No, they spelled with a K, so I got nothing

1786
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:13,759
Speaker 2: to say.

1787
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 4: You guys used to bet on their lot. We bet

1788
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,799
Speaker 4: on them and lost the time. They're oh and seven

1789
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 4: this year are the Bearcats of Sam Hughes.

1790
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what. It might be time to

1791
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 3: jump back on them. Then it might be time to

1792
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 3: get back on board they. I'm trying to look here,

1793
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 3: see the closest margin. It looks like seventeen they've lost by.

1794
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 3: Oh they lost by two against Jacksonville State.

1795
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 2: Okay, and that's a that's a tough Jacksonville State team lost.

1796
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 4: By two to them. Every other game has been by

1797
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 4: at least seventeen points or more.

1798
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 2: They played Texas well early on a state coming up.

1799
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 4: When people thought arch Manning was back. You see he

1800
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 4: got pulled over the other day.

1801
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 2: Oh boy, surprised me. One more break. We'll come back.

1802
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 3: We'll grab a quick phone call before we get to

1803
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 3: Richard Skinner in our number three. Next ESPN fifteen thirty

1804
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Sports Station.

1805
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

1806
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1807
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 27: Wuc K sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1808
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 3: Welcome back since E three sixty the Wednesday edition thanks

1809
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 3: to our friends here in our number two at Cincy shirts.

1810
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 3: We have Richard Skinner standing by to join us at

1811
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 3: the top of our number three. We also have Wes Miller.

1812
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 3: He spoke to the media today to preview the upcoming season,

1813
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,799
Speaker 3: which gets under weigh Austin on Monday. Bearcat's regular season

1814
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 3: gets underway this coming Monday.

1815
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,799
Speaker 4: You'll hear from Wes Miller. I feel like I lost

1816
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 4: a week somewhere. It's gone somewhere, like because we were

1817
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 4: talking about Halloween earlier and then I was like writing

1818
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 4: something down. I was like, does that say October twenty ninth, yep,

1819
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 4: here we are. I lost a week somewhere, like I

1820
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 4: was going through it the other day too.

1821
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 2: I was like League college basketball starts like in two days.

1822
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 3: That's why I suggest putting up your Christmas decor early

1823
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,759
Speaker 3: because it goes quick. No, make the season as wholesome

1824
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 3: as possible. We got time for one call. What's up Mayso?

1825
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 5: What's up boys?

1826
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 6: How we doing today? Hope all is well?

1827
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 2: You too?

1828
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 40: Man?

1829
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 5: Hi Kyle, Yeah, I'm just.

1830
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 10: I'm just addressing the two Ohio State fans that questioned,

1831
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 10: freaking why you see doesn't reciprocate the fandom. You want

1832
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 10: to know why because in two thousand and nine to

1833
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 10: the bear Cats tell them like a bunch of cowards,

1834
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 10: and I don't associate with cowards.

1835
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 5: Okay, have my fault that we have this saying.

1836
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 6: It's called if you're scared the church. Ohio State went

1837
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 6: the church that that year they were scared to play

1838
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 6: one hundred percent. Will never forgive them.

1839
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 20: We'll never associate with them.

1840
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 10: A fun fact, I was a fan before that year

1841
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 10: after that, don't.

1842
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 4: You don't you think that that could be seen as

1843
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 4: the ultimate sign of respect.

1844
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 10: It's the ultimate sign of coward move yes, and and

1845
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 10: to be honest with you, if they bill played the game,

1846
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 10: sorry here ton, If if you guys went up there

1847
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 10: and got beat, I probably would still be an Ohio

1848
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 10: State fan.

1849
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 6: Wow, I would, I would. I would root for both.

1850
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 10: But the fact that they bought their way out of

1851
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 10: that game is sickening and I I I can't do it.

1852
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 6: I'm done, as you can tell by the sound of

1853
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 6: my voice. It got me really perturbed.

1854
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: Why did you see accept the check.

1855
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 6: Because it was a lot of money that we needed.

1856
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so but you guys had the option

1857
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 4: to say no, right, no, they show up.

1858
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, Ohio State was they weren't going to let that

1859
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 10: happen because like all Ohio.

1860
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 6: State every year they play everybody at home, let's play Ohio,

1861
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 6: let's play now.

1862
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 4: One of those things is one of those things is

1863
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 4: mandated that they have to play a state school at

1864
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 4: Ohio Stadium.

1865
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 2: That's yes, that's like I do.

1866
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 9: So they have Okay, so Cincinnati is in a state

1867
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 9: school at Ohio Stadium.

1868
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 5: I said that that's fine.

1869
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 6: We were going up there.

1870
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 2: I know.

1871
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 4: I'm just letting you know, like you make fun of that,

1872
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 4: but like that's like a thing that does get in

1873
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,560
Speaker 4: the bylaws, like they have to do it. And I

1874
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 4: get what you're saying, like I know exactly where you're

1875
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 4: coming from, but let me, let's be honest. I mean,

1876
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 4: Kurk Coleman, Cam Hayward, Brian Roll on that team, Austin Spitler,

1877
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 4: John Simon. I mean that would have Pike would have

1878
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 4: thrown six or seven interceptions on that game from pickw

1879
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 4: Ohio was on that team.

1880
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 5: I mean, here we go kidding.

1881
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm joking. I'm joking. I do think it's weak.

1882
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 4: I think it's weak of Ohio State not to do it.

1883
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 4: I agree with that. I also think it's weak that

1884
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 4: you see accepted the check and allowed them to wiggle.

1885
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 2: Their way out of it.

1886
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 6: Okay, they did.

1887
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 4: They wiggled their way out of uh Nippert to Lucas

1888
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 4: Oil Stadium and then wiggled their way out of that

1889
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 4: to Arrowhead Stadium, And if they played that game in Nippert,

1890
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 4: they might be undefeated.

1891
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 2: Right now.

1892
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 10: That's that's actually a valid point, and I am not

1893
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 10: happy with the current administration about.

1894
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 6: That, so I will just say that.

1895
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 10: But anyway, that is why it is not reciprocated, at

1896
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 10: least on my end. I don't know where the other

1897
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 10: fans stand, but there you go. Fair enough, fans, you

1898
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 10: had the question, there's your answer.

1899
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. I knew that would get mayso far,

1900
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 2: so I.

1901
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 3: Just wish I guess, is there any example like can

1902
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 3: is there an explanation for that?

1903
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 5: Why? Did.

1904
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 4: Why did you see accept the money as soon as

1905
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 4: I did accept the buyout? Can I tell you this

1906
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,480
Speaker 4: if you go to what if sports dot com.

1907
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:06,679
Speaker 2: I know you've done this a thousand times.

1908
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 3: Well I just put I put on nine Ohio State

1909
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 3: as the home team. You see going up there to

1910
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 3: the Shoe Bearcats thirty seven Buckeyes six, Okay, is what

1911
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 3: was just given us. So that's fine, That's probably why

1912
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 3: they did it. I don't understand what would have been

1913
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 3: bigger for the UC program the money they accepted in

1914
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 3: that bio were the wind the win first, Okay, so

1915
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 3: you have no one to blame but yourself. Thirty of

1916
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 3: forty nine for four point fifty eight at the Shoe

1917
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 3: as well. Out did Terrell Pryor who was six to

1918
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 3: twenty one for eighty seven yards. We'll go off that.

1919
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 3: Richard Skinner is next hour three ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

1920
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 3: Sports Station.

1921
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Tony Pikes SINCY three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati, sponsored

1922
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: in hard by Penn Station East Coast, subs pan crept

1923
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: It hot grilled subs, fresh cut fries and lemonade. It's

1924
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 1: all about good taste. Penn Station East Coast subs order

1925
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: on mine today. Hey, this is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

1926
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 1: Sports Station.

1927
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 3: All right, welcome back our three thanks to Fenn Station.

1928
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 3: Thank you for listening on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1929
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,799
Speaker 3: Little college hoops preview coming up in this hour as well.

1930
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 3: We'll talk to Moager. But let's get things started with

1931
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 3: our guy from Local twelve here, Skenny, as you know him.

1932
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: It's Richard Skinner joining us right now. What up, Skinny?

1933
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 6: What's going on? Tony?

1934
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 2: Good to hear from you, Skinny. How are you doing?

1935
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 6: I'm doing fabulous. How about yourself?

1936
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 3: Well, you know I'm doing pretty well. Big game coming up, Bearcats,

1937
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 3: ay C Joints Ready. Look, Mercedes Lewis is forty one.

1938
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 3: He just got signed back today. We've seen the Flacco reemergence.

1939
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 3: I might stay back from Utah on Saturday just in

1940
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 3: case I'm needed.

1941
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 6: They may they may need you. I mean, at the

1942
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 6: rate they're going with quarterbacks that they're gonna need Somebodyh's

1943
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:55,759
Speaker 6: got some experiences. Position you.

1944
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 3: You heard Zach Taylor today fifty to fifty for Joe Flacco,

1945
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 3: pushing to want to play as it sits here today,

1946
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 3: How do you think that this plays out.

1947
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 6: I don't imagine he plays. I mean, that's a pretty

1948
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 6: serious injury. It's funny. He just literally and Trey Henderson

1949
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 6: rode by by me a second ago on a cart.

1950
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 6: They're heading to practice right now, obviously not dressed for practice.

1951
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 6: The one thing I can tell you is this, and

1952
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 6: I think Zach made it abundantly clear that if he

1953
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 6: doesn't take any practice reps, he's still and Sunday says

1954
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 6: I can go that he probably will give it a go.

1955
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 6: But I just I just don't see it. I'm tony,

1956
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 6: I'll be honest with you. I mean, watching him on Sunday,

1957
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 6: after he came out and was started to throw on

1958
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 6: the sidelines, you could tell he was wincing in pain.

1959
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:39,839
Speaker 6: He went back to the locker room, I would imagine

1960
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 6: he got a shot in there that allowed him to

1961
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 6: finish that game. So after the game, it wasn't it

1962
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 6: wasn't hurting him. But as you know, I mean, you

1963
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,599
Speaker 6: get shot up, you're not feeling anything right. So then

1964
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 6: the next day comes and suddenly there is a real pain,

1965
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 6: and then you see what it is and get it

1966
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 6: checked out and find out what the official injury is,

1967
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 6: which is a sprain day seed joint those I think

1968
01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 6: those are awful tough to come back from in a week.

1969
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 3: On top of that, you mentioned Trey Hendrickson riding by

1970
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 3: with him as well. Does this feel similar as as

1971
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 3: what we saw last week of taking it easy during

1972
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 3: practice and building up or is this a little bit

1973
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 3: more significant, a little bit more up in the air

1974
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 3: on if you'll get him on Sunday.

1975
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, he was probably still dealing with some

1976
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 6: swordus in the hip when he was playing Sunday and

1977
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 6: then reaggravated it, And I would think the reaggravation probably

1978
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 6: would would blend to him probably not playing this week either,

1979
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 6: and especially with the bye week looming, and try to

1980
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 6: get it fully healed up. You know, if he does

1981
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 6: practice tomorrow and that's not off the table yet, then

1982
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 6: I think that's at least a step in the direction

1983
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:39,719
Speaker 6: of him giving it a shot. But even if he plays,

1984
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 6: I wouldn't imagine it's a it's a full rotational number

1985
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 6: of snaps. I mean again, you've injured that hip now

1986
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 6: twice in the last three weeks, tried to come back

1987
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 6: from it after missing a game, and then reinjured the

1988
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 6: very first game. You come back. That's probably not a

1989
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 6: recipe to say he's gonna play this week coming off

1990
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 6: that injury.

1991
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 3: Again, it's it's hard because on offense, we've talked so

1992
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 3: much about just get Jamar Chase the ball, Get Jamar

1993
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 3: Chase the ball. Is there a Is there a universe

1994
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,679
Speaker 3: in which you're trying to get Jamar Chase the ball

1995
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 3: too much? Just feeding him so much that now all

1996
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 3: of a sudden you look up and T. Higgins was

1997
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 3: only targeted twice. Is there is there a fine line

1998
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 3: of balance when it comes to how much you're pushing

1999
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:19,959
Speaker 3: the ball to Jamar Chase as a quarterback.

2000
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 6: I think there is. I mean it is. I I listen,

2001
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 6: I know, you know they made a point at the

2002
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 6: end of the game. They doubled both Jamar and t

2003
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 6: and that's why the ball went to andre Yoshibash. But

2004
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 6: I can't imagine any world where andre Joshibash gets more

2005
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 6: targets than T. Higgins in the game. He got three,

2006
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 6: he got two. And listening again, I know coverage dictated

2007
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 6: some of that, but I don't think they were doubling

2008
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 6: one every play. So you know, the thing right now

2009
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,799
Speaker 6: is they're finding ways to scheme, Jamar Open. It is incredible.

2010
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 6: I mean almost what forty targets in the last two games.

2011
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 6: I mean that seems almost crazy to think about. But

2012
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:53,680
Speaker 6: you know, the fact of moving him around and doing

2013
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 6: some different things with him like they did at points

2014
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 6: last year, I think I think it's it's been a

2015
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 6: good recipe for them. Yeah. The other part that equation, though,

2016
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 6: is again, I can't find a world right when we

2017
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 6: find a way to target te hit twice, by the way,

2018
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 6: Cargean five times on jump balls alone.

2019
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 3: You know you you mentioned Yoshi and Austin had the statue.

2020
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 3: I don't have the stats in front of me, Direk,

2021
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 3: but I know of something along the lines of that.

2022
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 3: The separation is not there. He's had drops and he's

2023
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 3: not making contested catches. Yoshigash is not being asked to

2024
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 3: beat double teams. He's not being asked to take on

2025
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 3: the top cover guys of another team. He's asked to

2026
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 3: win one on one matchups against probably a team's third

2027
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 3: or fourth best cover guy. With what we've seen to

2028
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 3: this point, is it time to see Mitchell Tinsley. Is

2029
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 3: it time to give Jermaine Burton an opportunity on a

2030
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 3: Sunday What do you what do you view as that

2031
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:42,679
Speaker 3: wide receiver three solution.

2032
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 6: Oh, I think they'd like to give Jermaine berg an

2033
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 6: opportunity if Jermaine Burton would quit screwing up. I mean,

2034
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 6: I think that's that's a part of it. Yeah, I

2035
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 6: would which rather see Mitchell Tinsley at this point.

2036
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:55,879
Speaker 5: And and you know, to.

2037
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 6: To Austin's point, I think that last play in the

2038
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 6: in the game on Sunday is a perfect example, very

2039
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 6: little separate. It was a contested catch. Was it an

2040
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 6: easy catch? No, it was not easy catch. But you

2041
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 6: know NFL wide receivers have to make those catches and

2042
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 6: he didn't and he had some drop issues. And that's

2043
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 6: the same part about that's where the coverage dictated the

2044
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 6: throw went. They took away Jamal, they took away t

2045
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 6: Andre had one on one situation and really couldn't beat

2046
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 6: the one on one and then when the throw was

2047
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 6: you know, he had to make the throw and it

2048
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 6: could have been caught by Andre and he didn't. So yeah,

2049
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 6: I think it is. I we asked Dan Pitcher today

2050
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 6: when we talked to him for a little bit, and

2051
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 6: he says he still had a lot of confidence in

2052
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 6: Andre and I know how coaches can sometimes coach speak

2053
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 6: it up because that's what it feels like. Because they

2054
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,639
Speaker 6: had desperate, in my opinion, need to find a third

2055
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 6: wide receiver right now, Andrey Ooshibasch is not working that spot.

2056
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 4: They have figured something out. It seems like in the

2057
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 4: run game, Skinny, do you feel like because of how

2058
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 4: bad the defensive has been that Zach will start to

2059
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 4: lean more onto the run game just to limit the

2060
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 4: amount of time that the defense is actually on the field.

2061
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 23: No.

2062
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 6: I still think he's a pass first guy, but I

2063
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 6: do think they've leaned on it more because they've had

2064
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 6: success in it. And I wrote a story last week.

2065
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 6: I mean, I asked dam Pitcher, I aske a couple

2066
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 6: office lineman, I had Zach in the press conference, I

2067
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 6: what kind of started to click in the run game,

2068
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 6: And there was really no one answer to it. Some

2069
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 6: of it is guys were just playing better up front.

2070
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 6: Some of it is, you know, the chance to lean

2071
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 6: on it a little bit more. Some of it is

2072
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 6: they've gone under center a little bit more with Joe Flaccow,

2073
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 6: and I would assume they will do that with Jake Browning.

2074
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 6: I think that's helped the run game a little bit,

2075
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 6: where now you get a running back with a little

2076
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 6: bit more of a downhill start to things. And I

2077
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 6: think it's all it's all kind of pieced together maybe

2078
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 6: the right time, because they could really need, they really

2079
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 6: need the one game to lean on on Sunday.

2080
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 3: It goes without saying that the defensive performance has been

2081
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 3: Futrid giving up thirty nine to that Jets team after

2082
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 3: their quarterback was publicly pretty much disgraced by their owner.

2083
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 3: They didn't have Garrett Wilson in the game, they didn't

2084
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 3: have their second leading receiver in the game, and yet

2085
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 3: they put up thirty nine points. After the game, we're

2086
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 3: left hearing things like someone needs to step up looking

2087
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 3: for a leader on that side of the ball. They

2088
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 3: had a players only meeting this week on the defensive side.

2089
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 3: Who's the leader on the defensive side of the ball,

2090
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:08,639
Speaker 3: or who could be a leader on the defensive side

2091
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 3: of the ball, skinny, Because the hard part is, as

2092
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 3: you know, if you want to be that leader, your

2093
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 3: play also has to back it up to a certain

2094
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 3: extent or else you're gonna have guys sitting there saying, well,

2095
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 3: why is he talking about this when he's not doing

2096
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 3: his job. Who is that on defense?

2097
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 6: I think it's Brett Carter. But then again, Brett Carter

2098
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 6: had really good moments on Sunday, and then he also

2099
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 6: had a moment where he had the other running back

2100
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 6: Davis dead in the hole. I mean, made the right diagnosis,

2101
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 6: triggered quickly, sing him right in the hole one on

2102
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 6: one and he runs right through him on a tackle

2103
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 6: and go fifty yards. That can't happen. And I think

2104
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 6: to your point, I think he is that leader. I

2105
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 6: think they believe he can be that leader. But if

2106
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 6: you're going to miss a tackle in the hole, it

2107
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:49,679
Speaker 6: is hard to be a leader, right, So he needs

2108
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 6: to make some more plays to become that guy. But

2109
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 6: I think he is that guy that I think they're

2110
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 6: gonna lean on to become that leader.

2111
01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 3: The early returns on this year's draft class. Shamar Stewart

2112
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 3: has not played well up to this point, and I

2113
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 3: know he missed time in camp. Uh, but he's got

2114
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:09,440
Speaker 3: one tackle he's putting credit for on the season. Dimitrius

2115
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 3: Knight is missing a lot of tackles. What are what

2116
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 3: are your early returns on the top end of this

2117
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 3: draft class, because it was so pivotal with the money

2118
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 3: they're spending that you have to hit on your top

2119
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 3: end draft picks.

2120
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 2: What's your early view of that?

2121
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 6: So, Tony, I'm actually after I get done right in

2122
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 6: this Joe Slacko injured story, I'm gonna do a doing

2123
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 6: a column on redrafting the first three rounds this draft

2124
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 6: for the Bengals to where I would take g Hot

2125
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 6: Campbell in the first round. Yep, uh, there's my line.

2126
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 6: There's one of my linebacker fixes.

2127
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 5: Believe it.

2128
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:41,599
Speaker 6: I probably I don't. I'm only doing the first three

2129
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 6: rounds because I think tho are the guys you you

2130
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 6: should lean on. But I think Derek cart and Jalien

2131
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 6: Rivers are going to work out finest fourth and tixth

2132
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 6: round picks. And they are kind of working out fine

2133
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 6: as fourth and tixth round picks. But you'd had g

2134
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 6: Cambell in the first round, Tate Rattle in the second

2135
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 6: round because you said Tate ratage. You didn't do to

2136
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 6: do Dylan Firshaud and Xavier Watson the third round as

2137
01:41:57,760 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 6: a safety because they have no backup safety at the moment.

2138
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,439
Speaker 6: They just don't and they need one. They need somebody.

2139
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:04,000
Speaker 6: If I just step in and play for one of

2140
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:05,640
Speaker 6: these two guys in the back end, and they just

2141
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 6: don't have that guy. And so that to me, and

2142
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:10,759
Speaker 6: I know it's revisionous, but I know all those guys

2143
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 6: and you guys probably talked about it too, All those

2144
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 6: guys were talked about in those twots in the draft,

2145
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,600
Speaker 6: and yet they went three different directions. They took a

2146
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:21,719
Speaker 6: guy who again had long on traits, short on production.

2147
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:23,840
Speaker 6: And to your point, I mean, I can't remember how

2148
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:25,280
Speaker 6: snaps he played in the last game, but it was

2149
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 6: just round it to fifty snatch in the last two

2150
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 6: games that he's played. It might be a little bit more.

2151
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 6: Man even I know he played twenty two in the

2152
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 6: in the Pittsburgh game and one tackle.

2153
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 3: That's just jumping on a pile, skinny.

2154
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 40: That's exactly right.

2155
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 4: Which leads me to ask, why is this so hard

2156
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 4: for them? Is there anything you can pull? Everybody wants

2157
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 4: to blame the size of the scouting department, but I

2158
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 4: don't know that that matters that much.

2159
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure it plays a role, but it seems like

2160
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 3: they make it so much harder on themselves.

2161
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,719
Speaker 6: It feels like I could take Dang Brugler's beast guide

2162
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 6: and do it better. I mean, honestly, yeah, I think

2163
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 6: fans can probably take the guy to do it better.

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Speaker 6: It's almost, you know, they're long on these traits, things

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Speaker 6: like Miles Mercy has traits and we see you saw

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Speaker 6: it and can't tell I mean smart short has traits.

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Speaker 6: I mean he's a freak when he gets clicking. But

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Speaker 6: production does mean something. Yeah, I mean, neither one of

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Speaker 6: those guys can disengage on block. It's not just a

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Speaker 6: matter of not getting to the corn right. They can't

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Speaker 6: even get disengaged on blocks. And you had to have

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Speaker 6: seen that on tape. You had to have seen that

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Speaker 6: versus as a scout. You had to see what de

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Speaker 6: production was on paper, and yet you went ahead and

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Speaker 6: did it. It's almost like you're trying to be the

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Speaker 6: smartest guy in the room when just makes the easy decision.

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Speaker 6: Don't be the smartest guy.

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Speaker 5: In the room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Gihat Campbell has an eighty three point one PFF grade

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Speaker 3: this year so far, or four hundred and sixty one snaps.

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Speaker 3: He's six out of registered linebackers across the National Football League.

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01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 3: In ret Ledge is starting at guard for the Detroit

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Speaker 3: Lions and playing extremely productive. It's it's maddening, and it

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Speaker 3: leaves I guess the major question skinny, because here comes

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01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 3: the trade deadline. I don't know if just one edition

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01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 3: would help this team. To the Jets certainly helps that Outlook,

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01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 3: do you see this team doing anything one way or

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Speaker 3: the other by this time at the deadline next week?

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Speaker 6: I think if things are if they lose the Bears,

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Speaker 6: I think you really have to look long and hard

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Speaker 6: at trading tree headicks. Except there's one problem with.

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Speaker 5: That at the moment.

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Speaker 6: He's got the hit issue. What team wants to take

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Speaker 6: that on the money attached to it with a guy

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Speaker 6: you're not sure how good a hit is it.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's also if you get picks in return, do

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Speaker 3: you trust that they're going to utilize those picks?

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Speaker 6: See, that's just as fair of a point. You're right,

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Speaker 6: there's no question about that. Yeah, I don't think it's

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Speaker 6: not there in their DNA to go out and get somebody.

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Speaker 6: I mean, i'd say I'm not telling you they shouldn't,

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01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 6: but it just doesn't seem like that's that's in the cards.

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01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 6: And honestly, it's not just one guy. They need helping

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01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 6: at really almost every level on the defense. I mean,

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01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 6: we can argue the rookies linebackers. Just let them keep

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01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 6: playing through this and they'll get better with experience, and

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Speaker 6: I do think they will. I do like both of them.

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Speaker 6: But it is hard to play two rookies together. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I don't think they're doing this other than out of

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01:44:56,640 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 6: necessity because Logan Wilson's play and slips so badly. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean, you could use another corner. You could certainly

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01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 6: use at least a safety, if not a couple. A

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Speaker 6: guy who could rush the pass or other than Trey

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01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 6: Henderson would sure be nice to have. It'd be a

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01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 6: nice little luxury out of them. Say, hey, we have

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01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:11,799
Speaker 6: a guy, go get the cornerback, because you have nobody

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01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 6: right now to go get the cool right. I mean

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01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 6: they you know, they have three quarterback hits in the

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01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 6: last two games combined, one of them on that nine

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01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 6: second scramble Aaron Rodgers head to meet yours night hit

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01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 6: him at the end, and the other one from a

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01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 6: cornerback Cam till brid On a blitz this past weekend. Yeah,

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01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,040
Speaker 6: that's it. Three quarterback hits and one of them was

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01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 6: going for nine seconds and the other one by a cornerback.

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01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 6: That's embarrassing.

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01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 4: At what point do you think, Skinny, is the point

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01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 4: of no return for them to where you know if

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01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 4: it is it a loss this week against the Bears,

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Speaker 4: is a loss coming out of the by against the Steelers,

2231
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 4: to the point where they say, Okay, this is a

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01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 4: lost season and we're going to start changing some things.

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01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 4: And if so, what kind of changes would you expect

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01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:48,560
Speaker 4: when it reaches that point.

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Speaker 6: I would say through the Pittsburgh game, because Pittsburgh could

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01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:56,799
Speaker 6: lose this week, and even if he lost, as gooviies,

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01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:58,400
Speaker 6: it sounds you only game and a half hour and

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01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 6: you get a chance to go to Pittsburgh and close

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01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 6: that gap to a half game. I mean, if you

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Speaker 6: win this week, there's still is a world where you

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Speaker 6: go to Pittsburgh with them five and four U four

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01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 6: and five and a chance to tie for first places.

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Speaker 6: Goofy's that's sound. So I would say through that game.

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01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 6: If you lose to the Bears and you lose that game,

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01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 6: I think it becomes a lost cause. But I just

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01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 6: don't know what changes they're going to make at that point.

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01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 6: Aga any changes you see it will come at the

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01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 6: end of the season.

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01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 3: Uh, Skinny speaking of changes to come. Brian Kelly has

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Speaker 3: already been removed. The seat for Luke Fickle seems increasingly hot.

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Speaker 3: What about down in the Bluegrass? How is how's the

2252
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:34,919
Speaker 3: seat for Mark Stoops right now in Kentucky?

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01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,759
Speaker 6: Well, unless somebody can write a thirty eight million dollars

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01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 6: check that they have to pay him thirty eight million

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Speaker 6: dollars and in sixty days of firing, oh my run

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Speaker 6: out within sixty days. Now you can maybe try to

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01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 6: negotiate that and say, hey, we kind of screwed up

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01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 6: on our end.

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01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 5: Can we do this in an installment?

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01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 2: It's al.

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01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, can we do this in like a ten year

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01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 6: payment plan? And they it'll behoove you to. I mean,

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Speaker 6: that was one of the worst contracts negotiating, and I

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01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 6: believe I think I have this right. So, you know,

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01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 6: the whole thing with the James Franklin buy out, there's

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01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 6: all set language that James Franklin gets hired by Florida.

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01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 6: Let's say sure that the money that pennstad Ow's him

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01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 6: is offset by the money he's getting paid at Florida.

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Speaker 6: There's no offset language to my no house in Mark stetment.

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Speaker 20: Good, you're gone.

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Speaker 6: He's thirty eight mel bud.

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Speaker 20: He have a goody.

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01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 6: He could take thirty eight mil and go Coak somewhere else.

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01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:25,559
Speaker 2: It's a good agent.

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01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 5: It's a great agent. Smart man on the trustees and

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01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:29,320
Speaker 5: bad on the.

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01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:31,879
Speaker 6: Kind of contract.

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01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 2: You ain't kidding.

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01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:36,839
Speaker 3: That is Richard Skinner from Local twelve. Uh, you mentioned

2280
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 3: the the Joe Flocko update. You got the peace coming

2281
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 3: up about redrafting. What's the easiest way to follow along

2282
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:42,639
Speaker 3: with everything you got coming up?

2283
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:45,679
Speaker 6: Yep, just at the Local twelve dot com slash sports

2284
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 6: or follow me on the Twitter verse at Local twelve.

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01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 2: Skinny Skenny, you're the best. Thank you man, all right?

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01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 2: Take care Phil there. He is Skinny Richard Skinner from

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01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 2: Local twelve.

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01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 4: Gosh, Skinny doesn't I just realized Skinny doesn't follow me

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01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 4: on Twitter.

2290
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:02,720
Speaker 2: Wow, that kind of hurts that it's time to call

2291
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 2: him out. Call him back. That kind of hurt call

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01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 2: him back, put him on, Thanks, Kinny. All right.

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01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 3: Basketball season, as we just talked about for the UC

2294
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 3: Bearcats kicked up. Kicks up on Monday. Yeah, we'll spend

2295
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 3: time as the season gets closer as well. We'll talk

2296
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:20,080
Speaker 3: about the Muskies as well. But when we come back,

2297
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 3: Wes Miller held a press conference today to talk about

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01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 3: the start of their season happening on Monday. You'll hear

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Speaker 3: that next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 25: Now, well, it's closed versus pause when the Bengals and

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Speaker 25: Bears battle in the jungle. One thing I know for sure,

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Speaker 25: somebody's getting mold. Will the Orange and Black pounce on

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Speaker 25: the wind or will the team from the Windy City

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Speaker 25: blow away? Our beloved Bengals coverage begins Sunday at nine am.

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Speaker 25: or ESPN fifteen thirty the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 27: Since the three sixty is back on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 27: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Come on, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back our three sinty three to sixty thanks to

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Speaker 3: Penn Station, ESPN dot Com Austin Myron metcalf I. Like Myron,

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Speaker 3: he put together a list of eighty men's NCAA basketball

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Speaker 3: teams by their March Madness potential. He's got Tier one

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Speaker 3: your national championship favorites Perdue, Florida, Houston, Yukon his second tier,

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Speaker 3: these are final four contenders BYU Saint John's Louisville with

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Speaker 3: Pat Kelse, Michigan, Duke, Kentucky, Texas Tech, Arkansas. Those teams

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Speaker 3: all good enough to reach the final four teams to

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Speaker 3: get to the second weekend in March. Arizona, Illinois, UCLA, Gonzaga, Alabama, Auburn,

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Speaker 3: Iowa State, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Kansas, Creighton, Michigan State. And then

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Speaker 3: there's Tier four teams that can win a tournament game,

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Speaker 3: and on that list, the UC Bearcats fall even talks

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Speaker 3: about Cincinnati Wes Miller could hold off for their buzz

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Speaker 3: about a regime change with an NCAA tournament victory taking

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Speaker 3: a little bit of pressure off, but going into the year,

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Speaker 3: they're viewed as a team that can not only get

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Speaker 3: to the tournament, but win a tournament game. For what

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Speaker 3: it's worth. Tier six on this list is listed as

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Speaker 3: total rebuild Miami, Maryland, Villanova, West Virginia, and Xavier. Said

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Speaker 3: Xavier does not return anyone who played a minute for

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Speaker 3: them last year. We'll spend more time on Xavier in

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01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:37,000
Speaker 3: the coming days, but for now, that team that is

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Speaker 3: viewed as a team that can make the dance and

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Speaker 3: win a game. At least the UC Bearcats. Their head

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Speaker 3: coach Wes Miller spoke earlier today.

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Speaker 24: I think that, you know, sometimes it sounds like coach speak,

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01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 24: it's really not learned a lot coaching in the Big

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01:50:57,200 --> 01:51:00,880
Speaker 24: Twelve for two years, like learned a lot about what

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01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 24: the demands of league play are. And so as we

2339
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 24: designed our preseason, it's for everything was about preparation, you know,

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01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 24: for what it's going to.

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Speaker 29: Take to have success in the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 24: And you know, you look at you know, being able

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01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:20,760
Speaker 24: to go on the road against high quality opponents that

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01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:22,680
Speaker 24: are similar to the opponents you're going to face night

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01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 24: a night out in our league, and then the things

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01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 24: that you could potentially have to deal with that could

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01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 24: help you improve in your preseason. That's what the entire

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01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:36,559
Speaker 24: idea of it was, and in that sense, it was

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01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:40,680
Speaker 24: very successful. There was tons of opportunity to build confidence

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01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:44,720
Speaker 24: over those two exhibitions. There was tons of opportunity to

2351
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:48,080
Speaker 24: recognize areas that we have to improve and be very

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01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:50,640
Speaker 24: serious about and everything in between. Because we're trying to

2353
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,560
Speaker 24: learn our team as well. We got to play everybody

2354
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 24: significant minutes. We got to look at different lineup combinations.

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01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 24: So as a coach at this.

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Speaker 29: Point in the year.

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Speaker 24: There's so many dynamics to how to utilize those exhibitions,

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01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 24: and I thought we got a lot out of them.

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Speaker 43: I may be wrong because I have been before. But

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01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 43: the first game it looked like you just threw the

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01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,479
Speaker 43: ball out. The second game, it looked like Arkansas had

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01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:18,519
Speaker 43: some tape and maybe scouted you guys out because they

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01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 43: seem pretty hell bent on beating you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: I think again, it's not coach speak, like if you

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01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 24: want to try to overanalyze, you know, like the game

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01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 24: one game or the other guy, I just think you're

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01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 24: going to run into some trouble doing that, you know,

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01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 24: Like it's there was a different approach from Marshes certainly, like, hey,

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01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 24: the result felt good driving home from an arbor. The

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01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 24: result felt terrible flying pack from Arkansas. And there's there's

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01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:52,720
Speaker 24: value to creating those feelings in those dynamics to help

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Speaker 24: us get ready for the season. Like there's again everything

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01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 24: was a tool here, But trying to kind of pick

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Speaker 24: apart all this kind of stuff, I mean, it's a

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01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 24: way it's kind of a waste of energy. Right, It's

2377
01:53:05,479 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 24: obvious that we have a group that has the opportunity

2378
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:10,720
Speaker 24: to be a great team. Like, I think that's obvious

2379
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 24: from not just the two times we've played exhibitions, but

2380
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 24: from our practices every day, you know. And then there's

2381
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 24: obvious that we have a group that's new and is

2382
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:25,600
Speaker 24: just learning how to work together, play together, and that

2383
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 24: we have to be very intentional every day about that

2384
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:31,840
Speaker 24: process so that when we get to league play we

2385
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:33,640
Speaker 24: can be the type of team we expect to be.

2386
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 29: So and then there's everything in between.

2387
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:42,480
Speaker 24: So obviously we've overanalyzed the games from a coaching perspective

2388
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 24: as a tool to improve our team, but outcomes and

2389
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 24: stuff we haven't. We didn't overanalyze the outcome of the

2390
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:52,559
Speaker 24: Michigan game. We didn't overanalyze the outcome of the Arkansas game,

2391
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 24: because that wasn't the intention of either of either opportunity.

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01:53:57,760 --> 01:53:59,759
Speaker 2: You mentioned being ready for the Big twelve.

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01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:04,640
Speaker 44: How much of this Obviously it's to get ready for

2394
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 44: the Houston's and the Kansas is, but almost as important

2395
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:13,720
Speaker 44: for the rest of the league when you have to

2396
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:16,519
Speaker 44: go on the road and face some of those games

2397
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 44: that maybe aren't against like, you know, a top five

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01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 44: team in the country, to be able to get the

2399
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:22,760
Speaker 44: team ready for that.

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01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:27,960
Speaker 24: Yeah, and again, very strategic to go play two road

2401
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,960
Speaker 24: games in October or exhibition games on the road in

2402
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:34,720
Speaker 24: October against great team. It's very strategic, Like I think

2403
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 24: I was honest about that in our first press conference.

2404
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 24: But the strategic part of it is, hey, let's go

2405
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 24: challenge ourselves, see what we can learn from that, see

2406
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:51,280
Speaker 24: how we can use that as a tool, and let's

2407
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:55,360
Speaker 24: let natural adversity occur and deal with it. I mean,

2408
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 24: I can't I'll have a crystal ball, Like I can't

2409
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 24: predict what's going to happen because I don't control what

2410
01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 24: Michigan does and I don't control what Arkansas does, And

2411
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 24: like we were not really doing scouting reports like that

2412
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 24: this time of year, because that's we're working on ourselves.

2413
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 24: So I don't know when I planned it out how

2414
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 24: that's all going to go. And honestly, I don't care,

2415
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 24: because there's beauty in just having some real, real adversity

2416
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 24: or real success and then using that as a tool

2417
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 24: to get better.

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01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 29: That's it.

2419
01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:29,240
Speaker 24: Like there was really very strategic thinking in that sense.

2420
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 24: But then let's see what happens and let's learn from it.

2421
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 24: And then at the same time, you know, like we

2422
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:39,120
Speaker 24: come out of the second half and the Michigan exhibition

2423
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:43,200
Speaker 24: and we start a bizarre lineup right like, at the

2424
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 24: same time, as competitive as we all are, we can't

2425
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 24: waste these tools that we have in the preseason. You know,

2426
01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:53,480
Speaker 24: we've played a lineup we'd never practiced to start the

2427
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 24: second half against Michigan.

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01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:56,160
Speaker 29: We would never do that in a real game.

2429
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 24: There's things that we did in these exhibitions that we

2430
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 24: never do and some of them worked and were great,

2431
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 24: and some of them were awful. But it's so over

2432
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 24: analyzing results, whether it was good or bad. Like we

2433
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:12,840
Speaker 24: weren't like as a coaching staff, we weren't celebrating after

2434
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 24: we drove home from an arbor, and we weren't down

2435
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 24: in the dumps.

2436
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 29: I slept great on Friday night.

2437
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:20,200
Speaker 24: I thought that was a great opportunity to teach and

2438
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 24: get our guys attention. As we said told the team

2439
01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 24: after the Arkansas scrimmage, if we had done anything we'd

2440
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 24: practiced and that was the result, I'd be really worried.

2441
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 24: But we didn't do any damn thing we practiced. But

2442
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 24: that was a good opportunity for us. So No, there

2443
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:40,520
Speaker 24: was a major strategy in the plan of this, and

2444
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:43,280
Speaker 24: I think it will serve us well if we allow

2445
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 24: it to.

2446
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 29: Moving forward throughout the entire year. But that's it.

2447
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 24: I think looking farther into it is a mistake, and

2448
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 24: I get it. That's all you guys have to go on.

2449
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:58,360
Speaker 24: I'll say this, I've I pleaded with anybody that'll listen

2450
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:00,000
Speaker 24: to me. Could we do four or five of them

2451
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:03,920
Speaker 24: in the preseason? Like how much better would college basketball

2452
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 24: be the product on the court the first day? Because

2453
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 24: those those are practices for our team, and I would

2454
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:13,720
Speaker 24: say ninety nine percent of coaches approach those the way

2455
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:14,200
Speaker 24: that we do.

2456
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:16,840
Speaker 29: We get more out of.

2457
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:21,000
Speaker 24: One practice, you know, in terms of developing our team.

2458
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:24,280
Speaker 24: I'm sorry, out of one exhibition and we do seven

2459
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:28,480
Speaker 24: straight practices like they're so valuable, and so I wish

2460
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 24: we got to do four or five of them, and

2461
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:33,280
Speaker 24: I think we would be better off, as in college

2462
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 24: basketball when the first week started, the basketball.

2463
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 2: Would be better.

2464
01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:39,280
Speaker 45: I'm curious, since you bring that up, if you did

2465
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 45: play four or five exhibitions, would it be more difficult

2466
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,360
Speaker 45: to not take as much from the games in terms

2467
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:47,520
Speaker 45: of the good or bad rat poison that you've kind

2468
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 45: of talked about.

2469
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:51,640
Speaker 29: I mean, yeah, you guys, I love it. You know,

2470
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 29: and I appreciate.

2471
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:55,920
Speaker 2: You know.

2472
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 24: We haven't given you a lot to talk about the

2473
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:02,040
Speaker 24: last five or six. So we get out in front

2474
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 24: of the lights. It's that that's what you should be

2475
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,360
Speaker 24: talking about. There's a little design there, right, So that

2476
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 24: that's been good for us. That's been good for us

2477
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 24: to learn how that works. We've we've utilized that, uh

2478
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 24: in our in our conversations within the locker room of Hey,

2479
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:20,800
Speaker 24: don't listen when you people are praising you because you

2480
01:58:21,120 --> 01:58:24,040
Speaker 24: had some success, and certainly don't don't listen if it's

2481
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 24: the other way. Like, this is important to learn as

2482
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,960
Speaker 24: we go on our journey because both things are bound

2483
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:30,640
Speaker 24: to occur.

2484
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:32,120
Speaker 2: All right.

2485
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:34,880
Speaker 3: That is some Wes Miller from earlier today. I also

2486
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:37,520
Speaker 3: went on to talk about they're big man, big slime

2487
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 3: who had a lower body procedure and they are hoping

2488
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 3: at some point this year, late in the year, he

2489
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:45,800
Speaker 3: can come back, but they are really noncommittal on that.

2490
01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:46,560
Speaker 24: Uh.

2491
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 3: That is the Cincinnati Bearcats, whose season gets underway Monday

2492
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:52,720
Speaker 3: night at Fifth Third Arena. Plenty more on that between

2493
01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:55,400
Speaker 3: now and then, but let's take our next break. We'll

2494
01:58:55,400 --> 01:58:57,280
Speaker 3: come back. Try to squeeze a phone call in and

2495
01:58:57,320 --> 01:59:00,640
Speaker 3: then we'll get to Malegger for quick Hits on ESPN

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01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:02,200
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back. This is since he three sixty. You are

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01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:14,280
Speaker 3: listening on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station or via

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Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app. We thank our friends here at our

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01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:19,000
Speaker 3: number three at Penn Station. Moegar is standing by to

2502
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 3: join us for quick hits and then take things over

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01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 3: for the Mowegar Show in just a few moments. While

2504
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 3: we have a brief moment, another phone call. What's going on, Mike?

2505
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:29,000
Speaker 2: How are you?

2506
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:30,720
Speaker 10: Hey?

2507
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:32,880
Speaker 20: Guys, thanks for letting me on today. Appreciate it.

2508
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,680
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I don't even want to talk about.

2509
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,600
Speaker 20: The Dodgers until pissed off and everybody but three minutes

2510
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:43,360
Speaker 20: Otani Toronto. Here's the difference. Toronto puts back on ball.

2511
01:59:43,480 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 5: Yep, that's the difference.

2512
01:59:45,400 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 2: Mike.

2513
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:48,160
Speaker 20: I've got a half a dozen guys hitting over three

2514
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:50,440
Speaker 20: hundred and two of which are hitting over four hundred

2515
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:52,960
Speaker 20: and the Dodgers and everybody's dropping the ball.

2516
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:57,440
Speaker 3: So scrolling this so much, So much was made about

2517
01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:59,600
Speaker 3: Otani and like, does Toronto even pitch to him. If

2518
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:02,000
Speaker 3: you're the Rogers, do you question even pitching to Guerrero

2519
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:02,520
Speaker 3: right now?

2520
02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 20: I guess it depends on the guy pitching. That would

2521
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:12,040
Speaker 20: be the critical factor. I trust Smell pitching anybody, sure,

2522
02:00:12,280 --> 02:00:16,560
Speaker 20: uh and Yamamoto too so. But again, like I say,

2523
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:18,600
Speaker 20: tell you, that's a tough one because that's such an

2524
02:00:18,600 --> 02:00:19,480
Speaker 20: individual thing.

2525
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:22,040
Speaker 5: And now are the guys on solo?

2526
02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:26,080
Speaker 20: That's what hills the Dodgers, they hit a lot of

2527
02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:28,480
Speaker 20: solo home runs because they don't get anybody on Sure,

2528
02:00:29,720 --> 02:00:32,640
Speaker 20: it's really said, Mookie's rookie. I'm just feel hard for

2529
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:32,920
Speaker 20: the guy.

2530
02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:34,400
Speaker 6: I mean, he's just stinking it up.

2531
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:38,760
Speaker 20: But you know, I'm going to football real quick. I

2532
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:44,080
Speaker 20: uh boy, the vaunted AFC North has went in the crapper.

2533
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,520
Speaker 2: Man without a doubt, without a doubt.

2534
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:50,120
Speaker 20: Don't figure that the beginning of the year, nobody would

2535
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:52,480
Speaker 20: have figured that thing out. So that's a shock or

2536
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:54,360
Speaker 20: the NFL always will shock you.

2537
02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:54,640
Speaker 5: Yep.

2538
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:57,720
Speaker 20: And that's Hill. He's becoming laughable to me to the

2539
02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:00,760
Speaker 20: point where I mean, talk about pick.

2540
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 2: That's it.

2541
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:04,840
Speaker 3: That's the crazy thing is Dax Hill has not been good,

2542
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:07,680
Speaker 3: but everyone else has been worse. So Dax Hill is

2543
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:10,000
Speaker 3: almost getting a pass is to not be criticized as

2544
02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 3: much because some other guys are playing that much worse.

2545
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:14,880
Speaker 2: It's insane, it is.

2546
02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:17,920
Speaker 20: And and and lose got his defensive.

2547
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:26,080
Speaker 2: We lose you, Mike, Yep, we lost him.

2548
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:29,800
Speaker 3: I believe what Mike was going to go with is

2549
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:32,120
Speaker 3: that Luena Roumo's got his defense as a top ten

2550
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:37,400
Speaker 3: defenses from a scoring standpoint. Correct, how about that unbelievable stuff?

2551
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? It I guess the Dax.

2552
02:01:44,120 --> 02:01:46,320
Speaker 3: Hill conversation to me would would start and stop with

2553
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:46,919
Speaker 3: the conversation.

2554
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:48,080
Speaker 2: We had a couple of weeks ago.

2555
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:49,720
Speaker 3: Aston and we we tried to come up with a

2556
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:51,480
Speaker 3: list of players that you would want to be a

2557
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:54,240
Speaker 3: part of this team going forward. I think that's kind

2558
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 3: of where it starts and stops. Do you do you

2559
02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:58,720
Speaker 3: think Dax Hill is a piece that you could not

2560
02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:01,920
Speaker 3: live without if you're the Bengals going forward.

2561
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:05,800
Speaker 4: I don't know that there's anybody on the team that

2562
02:02:05,960 --> 02:02:10,080
Speaker 4: fits that description. I would like to have Dax on

2563
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:12,960
Speaker 4: the team. I don't know that I couldn't live without him.

2564
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:16,960
Speaker 4: I mean can't live with him, so it doesn't matter nobody.

2565
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 4: I don't know that there's anybody in football that fits

2566
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 4: that description to be honest.

2567
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 3: For this Okay, so for this team, for a player

2568
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:27,360
Speaker 3: you'd like to rely on going forward, Dax.

2569
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:32,400
Speaker 4: Hill stays, yeah, Dax Hill stays Schmar Stewart stays how.

2570
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:34,120
Speaker 3: Much more of Samar Stewart would you need to see

2571
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:36,320
Speaker 3: before you start to worry? If his trajectory is more

2572
02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:38,120
Speaker 3: along the lines of mind, I still need to see

2573
02:02:38,120 --> 02:02:39,680
Speaker 3: a lot. I still need to see a lie. Al

2574
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:43,080
Speaker 3: Golden said yesterday that he still is really in his infancy.

2575
02:02:43,120 --> 02:02:45,800
Speaker 3: If you remember, he missed most of the off season

2576
02:02:45,880 --> 02:02:49,000
Speaker 3: training camp, off season training program, He missed a decent

2577
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:52,080
Speaker 3: chunk of training camp and was trying to get his

2578
02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:55,160
Speaker 3: body right and get in shape. Then he got hurt

2579
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:56,920
Speaker 3: and missed a couple of games with an ankle injury.

2580
02:02:57,000 --> 02:03:00,120
Speaker 3: So he's still very early on, and we knew he

2581
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:02,800
Speaker 3: was going to be a project from the beginning. So

2582
02:03:02,840 --> 02:03:05,640
Speaker 3: I'm not like giving up on Shamar Stewart. I think

2583
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:07,600
Speaker 3: that would be foolish to do. Do you feel the

2584
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:08,640
Speaker 3: same about Demetrius Knight.

2585
02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:11,480
Speaker 4: You also have to keep in mind Shamar Stewart's playing

2586
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:14,680
Speaker 4: with a bunch of losers around him like they are.

2587
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:19,080
Speaker 4: Those guys are not NFL caliber players. It's not that

2588
02:03:19,240 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 4: different than if you and I were lined up next

2589
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:24,760
Speaker 4: to Shamar Stewart. That's how low the play has been

2590
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:30,400
Speaker 4: for those guys, and nobody's good. When football, you are

2591
02:03:30,440 --> 02:03:32,720
Speaker 4: a collection, you are a some of the parts right,

2592
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:37,080
Speaker 4: Like it's there's eleven guys on defense and there's about

2593
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:39,040
Speaker 4: two of them worth a damn on the Bengals defense.

2594
02:03:39,200 --> 02:03:43,080
Speaker 3: Do you hold the same thought as it relates to

2595
02:03:43,240 --> 02:03:44,000
Speaker 3: Demetrius Knight.

2596
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:48,320
Speaker 4: No, Demetrius Knight is older than Breice Hall. Yeah, Demetrius

2597
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:50,120
Speaker 4: Knight was supposed to. That was the whole thing with

2598
02:03:50,200 --> 02:03:54,680
Speaker 4: him right sideline to sideline linebacker. Awesome, dude, married, has kids,

2599
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:56,880
Speaker 4: He's really bright. He'll pick up the defense, he'll put

2600
02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:59,720
Speaker 4: it together right away. Well, I don't know if you've

2601
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:02,400
Speaker 4: seen the tape. There are times he's turning in the

2602
02:04:02,440 --> 02:04:08,200
Speaker 4: wrong direction, like foolishly turning in the wrong direction. He

2603
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:11,360
Speaker 4: looks like a guy who has never played football before.

2604
02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:14,920
Speaker 4: I thought his veteran presence would shine through more. Yeah,

2605
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:17,720
Speaker 4: that whole thing has a bunch of hogwash. And then

2606
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:21,440
Speaker 4: Barrett Carter, at least at times looks like he's in

2607
02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:23,680
Speaker 4: the right position. But I don't know that he has

2608
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 4: that killer instant. Yeah, I don't know that. I don't

2609
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:29,720
Speaker 4: know that he's fully confident in his abilities. I can

2610
02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:32,480
Speaker 4: live more with the Barrett Carter mistakes than the Demetrius

2611
02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:33,480
Speaker 4: Knight junior mistakes.

2612
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Demetrius Night.

2613
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:40,680
Speaker 4: I mean it's flat out embarrassing the reps that he

2614
02:04:40,760 --> 02:04:42,080
Speaker 4: had against the Jets on Sunday.

2615
02:04:42,160 --> 02:04:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to break one final time. Moeger is

2616
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:48,760
Speaker 3: next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

2617
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:51,360
Speaker 2: It's quick kits from the any whether he heating and

2618
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:52,200
Speaker 2: darre Thames.

2619
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:55,120
Speaker 3: Dave Lapham and Me for Bengals game plan tonight, starting

2620
02:04:55,160 --> 02:04:58,400
Speaker 3: at six on the official home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's

2621
02:04:58,760 --> 02:04:59,800
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteenth.

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Speaker 27: Cincy three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

2623
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:11,280
Speaker 27: It's time for Cincy three sixty quick hits on ESPN.

2624
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:15,120
Speaker 2: Fifteen In the building, Mo, Hey, what's up?

2625
02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:15,240
Speaker 24: Mo?

2626
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:17,600
Speaker 2: How are we doing good? How are you? I'm doing well?

2627
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:20,160
Speaker 2: How are you doing? I'm fantastic? How about you, guys?

2628
02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:23,120
Speaker 2: How are you doing all right?

2629
02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:25,440
Speaker 4: It's Tony's favorite question to anybody who comes on the

2630
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:26,240
Speaker 4: air with him, How are you?

2631
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:27,800
Speaker 3: What point of the week do you get to when

2632
02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:30,879
Speaker 3: you start like just finding the optimism again. For the Bengals,

2633
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:34,400
Speaker 3: it always happens around midday on Wednesday, okay, because people

2634
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:36,920
Speaker 3: get tired of the same old narratives. Yeah yeah, change

2635
02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:39,000
Speaker 3: it up, and then by Friday it's oh, they'll win.

2636
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2637
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:40,080
Speaker 5: Fine.

2638
02:05:40,240 --> 02:05:41,440
Speaker 3: I want to get to what's on your show, but

2639
02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:42,720
Speaker 3: I want to ask you something I was just asking

2640
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:44,440
Speaker 3: you came in, make this make sense to me?

2641
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:46,880
Speaker 2: Game ended last week.

2642
02:05:47,080 --> 02:05:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Zach Taylor takes the podium and please for someone

2643
02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:52,720
Speaker 3: on the defense to step up. Need leaders over there.

2644
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:54,560
Speaker 3: Jordan Battle act of the game says, we need to

2645
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:56,240
Speaker 3: find a leader on defense. Don't know who it's going

2646
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:56,400
Speaker 3: to be.

2647
02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:59,800
Speaker 2: You can't be the captain. No leader, captain Tray.

2648
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:02,320
Speaker 3: Players only meeting happens this week on the defensive side

2649
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:05,680
Speaker 3: of the ball. Mike Pennell. Whatever you think about Mike

2650
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:07,200
Speaker 3: Penell or his role on the team, I don't think

2651
02:06:07,200 --> 02:06:08,280
Speaker 3: anything about Mike Penell.

2652
02:06:08,360 --> 02:06:08,880
Speaker 2: Chris Jones.

2653
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:13,760
Speaker 3: Chris Jones thought enough of Mike Penell to say we

2654
02:06:13,800 --> 02:06:15,800
Speaker 3: need him back on this team because of his leadership.

2655
02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:19,000
Speaker 3: Didn't say because of how he plays or the technique

2656
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:20,760
Speaker 3: he plays with, or what he does to affect the game,

2657
02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:24,160
Speaker 3: but mentioned the word leadership and how great Mike Pennell was.

2658
02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:27,839
Speaker 3: So Mike Penell's leadership is good enough for the Chiefs

2659
02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:30,839
Speaker 3: and the stars they have on that roster, but apparently

2660
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:32,240
Speaker 3: not good enough here in Cincinnati.

2661
02:06:32,360 --> 02:06:35,600
Speaker 40: I don't have an explanation for you. I'm baffled, baffling.

2662
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:37,680
Speaker 40: I'll ask Richard Skinner today. Oh, I'll put that on

2663
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:39,200
Speaker 40: the list of things I asked him because I don't

2664
02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:39,720
Speaker 40: have the answer.

2665
02:06:39,800 --> 02:06:43,920
Speaker 3: And you brought up something. They're gone. Who's replacing him?

2666
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:46,440
Speaker 40: Well, they put two guys on IR yesterday. Huh, and

2667
02:06:46,480 --> 02:06:49,440
Speaker 40: they got rid of Mike Penell. They've not replaced either

2668
02:06:49,480 --> 02:06:52,040
Speaker 40: of them on the roster. Like, have I missed something?

2669
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:53,400
Speaker 40: I have been busy today.

2670
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:58,120
Speaker 4: This might be the McKinley Jackson or you want to

2671
02:06:58,160 --> 02:07:01,120
Speaker 4: talk about a point of no return? There are three

2672
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:05,040
Speaker 4: open roster spots as of now Wednesday.

2673
02:07:05,120 --> 02:07:07,240
Speaker 40: They have it starts today if they have a game

2674
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:10,800
Speaker 40: on Sunday, yea is Nick Krawl managing the roster?

2675
02:07:10,920 --> 02:07:11,080
Speaker 7: Now?

2676
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:11,240
Speaker 6: Like?

2677
02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:11,640
Speaker 2: What do we?

2678
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:16,400
Speaker 40: So they made the announcement yesterday these two guys onto

2679
02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:18,400
Speaker 40: the Shakah Hayward was not a surprise. Matt Lee has

2680
02:07:18,440 --> 02:07:20,280
Speaker 40: been dealing with an injury for a while, and then

2681
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:23,040
Speaker 40: the Mike Penell thing, and we got the press release

2682
02:07:23,080 --> 02:07:24,640
Speaker 40: in the Bengals in like three thirty yesterday.

2683
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, usually things like coincide with out of announcement twenty

2684
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:28,320
Speaker 3: four hours later.

2685
02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:32,640
Speaker 4: Like I also checked the transaction wire. They didn't work

2686
02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:35,280
Speaker 4: anybody out, They didn't sign anybody off a practice squad.

2687
02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:39,600
Speaker 2: It's Mikiley Jackson. Nobody that came. Love what McKinley Jackson's done.

2688
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:44,840
Speaker 2: But on practice Jefferson around the roster is fifty three guys? Right? Yeah,

2689
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:46,800
Speaker 2: they're now down to fifty. Yeah, they have a game

2690
02:07:46,840 --> 02:07:48,760
Speaker 2: on Sunday. Do they have to go with fifty three?

2691
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:52,200
Speaker 2: They might roll the dice. I guess not. It's just

2692
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:57,560
Speaker 2: none of it makes sense. Here's the Chiefs and Chris Jones.

2693
02:07:57,600 --> 02:07:59,800
Speaker 2: Maybe Mike Penel was put on a piece of paper.

2694
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:02,000
Speaker 2: They rave about anything about it.

2695
02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:04,640
Speaker 3: They rave about his leadership, and we don't have a

2696
02:08:04,720 --> 02:08:07,480
Speaker 3: leader in Cincinnati on the defensive side of the ball.

2697
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:09,880
Speaker 2: Well, is he a leader if he said he wants out?

2698
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:12,120
Speaker 2: Did he not go to the players only meeting?

2699
02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:17,880
Speaker 4: Are we are we again? He requested his release? Is

2700
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:20,680
Speaker 4: that a guy you want?

2701
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:21,880
Speaker 2: Logan Wilson wanted to be out.

2702
02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:24,160
Speaker 4: Okay, Logan been here a while and was voted a

2703
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:27,600
Speaker 4: team captain. They picked up right before the season started, do.

2704
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:29,960
Speaker 2: You want Trey Henderson's a panel or penal? It's panel?

2705
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:31,360
Speaker 38: Like?

2706
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:34,600
Speaker 2: Is that a leader to you?

2707
02:08:34,680 --> 02:08:37,000
Speaker 40: And since when do the Bengals? No, it's not a leader?

2708
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:38,360
Speaker 40: But since when do the Bengals go?

2709
02:08:38,440 --> 02:08:38,880
Speaker 2: You want out?

2710
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:39,280
Speaker 9: Cool?

2711
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2712
02:08:41,400 --> 02:08:44,040
Speaker 3: Well, I mean they've made it pretty clear how they

2713
02:08:44,120 --> 02:08:45,920
Speaker 3: feel about the aging veterans on the.

2714
02:08:45,920 --> 02:08:47,760
Speaker 2: Roster this year, haven't they no doubt about it.

2715
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:49,520
Speaker 40: I guess my other thing is, and I've I've talked

2716
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:53,080
Speaker 40: about this, they're looking for leaders all summer long. I

2717
02:08:53,120 --> 02:08:57,240
Speaker 40: heard Trey wants to be a captain exactly like Trey's

2718
02:08:57,400 --> 02:08:59,440
Speaker 40: when he has played has been fine, and he plays

2719
02:08:59,480 --> 02:09:01,840
Speaker 40: hard and like he's been an you know, the greatest

2720
02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:04,760
Speaker 40: free act free agent acquis is like all that stuff established.

2721
02:09:05,240 --> 02:09:09,360
Speaker 40: But in the summer of Trey, which god knows, occupied

2722
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:12,120
Speaker 40: a ton of time in our lives, one of the

2723
02:09:12,160 --> 02:09:15,240
Speaker 40: sticking points was Trey wants to be a captain.

2724
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that?

2725
02:09:18,440 --> 02:09:21,720
Speaker 40: Isn't leadership inherent when you get that captain to Is

2726
02:09:21,720 --> 02:09:23,120
Speaker 40: it just because he wanted to be out there for

2727
02:09:23,160 --> 02:09:23,800
Speaker 40: the coin flip.

2728
02:09:24,160 --> 02:09:26,880
Speaker 2: So, like my first thought on Mike Petal might be

2729
02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:27,360
Speaker 2: a great.

2730
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:29,440
Speaker 40: Leader, can you really lead when you never do anything

2731
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:30,880
Speaker 40: and you've been on the team for two months?

2732
02:09:30,920 --> 02:09:32,960
Speaker 2: And Chris Jones never said anything about his play on

2733
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:35,400
Speaker 2: the field. He just said he's important for our locker room.

2734
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:39,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he has a relationship established over multiple years

2735
02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:40,640
Speaker 4: in that locker room in Kansas City.

2736
02:09:40,680 --> 02:09:43,400
Speaker 40: But to me, I look at why is the coach

2737
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:47,160
Speaker 40: calling out a lack of leaders on defense when you

2738
02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:51,520
Speaker 40: do have a guy who has been here since twenty

2739
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:54,440
Speaker 40: twenty one, who was a Defensive Player of the Year

2740
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:59,280
Speaker 40: finalist and insisted on being a captain. He tells me

2741
02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:01,360
Speaker 40: about his in to be a leader. So it's one

2742
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:04,360
Speaker 40: of two things. It's that or if you're Trey Hendrickson,

2743
02:10:04,360 --> 02:10:08,360
Speaker 40: aren't you like hey me? But that he probably isn't.

2744
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,760
Speaker 40: So we did this whole dog and pony show about

2745
02:10:10,760 --> 02:10:13,000
Speaker 40: Trey wants to be a captain. Make him a captain,

2746
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:15,920
Speaker 40: all right, captain, do some captain stuff.

2747
02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:16,960
Speaker 20: Lead?

2748
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:19,880
Speaker 2: What do you got coming up today?

2749
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:23,840
Speaker 40: It's college basketball day? Dang right, it's college back. It's

2750
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:26,720
Speaker 40: one of two college basketball days. So I've got to

2751
02:10:26,720 --> 02:10:29,400
Speaker 40: do that tomorrow on the show. Richard Patino. Okay, tomorrow,

2752
02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:32,800
Speaker 40: you got Patino tomorrow night tomorrow, Richard Patino. Today on

2753
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:36,440
Speaker 40: the show, Wes Miller and Darren Horn. Very nice to

2754
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:40,280
Speaker 40: Merriweather and the annual Chad and Rick College Basketball Spectacular.

2755
02:10:40,360 --> 02:10:40,640
Speaker 5: Wow.

2756
02:10:41,480 --> 02:10:44,760
Speaker 40: Plus we'll get Richard Skinner on and MLS Comeback Player

2757
02:10:44,760 --> 02:10:46,280
Speaker 40: of the Year Nick Haglin at four oh five.

2758
02:10:46,360 --> 02:10:49,400
Speaker 4: That was a tough break for d Alexander, that announcement

2759
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:51,480
Speaker 4: the other day show break for d.

2760
02:10:51,680 --> 02:10:55,200
Speaker 40: Tough break for the UC women's basketball program and coach Mayweather.

2761
02:10:55,240 --> 02:10:57,040
Speaker 40: We'll talk about that in so much more.

2762
02:10:57,160 --> 02:11:07,200
Speaker 3: Three twenty crazy that college hoops is he yes, well liked.

2763
02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:10,120
Speaker 3: I feel like every year in the same I'm old enough.

2764
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:12,400
Speaker 40: To remember when the season would start, like December one, yeah,

2765
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:15,120
Speaker 40: or maybe right before right after thanks, and so it's

2766
02:11:15,120 --> 02:11:17,440
Speaker 40: still as much as I look forward to it, as

2767
02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:20,400
Speaker 40: much as we've had these awesome, you know, majors versus

2768
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:24,200
Speaker 40: majors exhibition games like yesterday, yesterday as it was like

2769
02:11:24,200 --> 02:11:26,280
Speaker 40: a Monday night, you see, I'm like, what's going on?

2770
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:30,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, right November. Third season is so long.

2771
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:32,840
Speaker 3: And I think with UC playing well, you get caught

2772
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:35,240
Speaker 3: up in that. Yeah, so many storylines with the Bengals

2773
02:11:35,240 --> 02:11:36,640
Speaker 3: and then it's like all of a sudden, it's here

2774
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:41,080
Speaker 3: and it's a very important non conference late for the Bearcats.

2775
02:11:41,160 --> 02:11:43,160
Speaker 2: It's a huge year for Wes Miller. H Yeah, I

2776
02:11:43,200 --> 02:11:44,280
Speaker 2: mean writing's on the wall.

2777
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:46,920
Speaker 40: Wes would be the first to admit that they have

2778
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:49,720
Speaker 40: to have their name on the screen on Selection Sunday.

2779
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:52,280
Speaker 3: I put it out there last week for Xavier fans,

2780
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:56,040
Speaker 3: what's the expectation for Xavier this year? And the fans

2781
02:11:56,080 --> 02:12:00,520
Speaker 3: that did call in said five hundred, like really no? Yeah,

2782
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 3: And in today's basketball, that's odd because of the portal

2783
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:08,080
Speaker 3: and how you can restructure a roster. And I don't

2784
02:12:08,080 --> 02:12:10,280
Speaker 3: want to say it's a free year for Patino, but

2785
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:13,520
Speaker 3: it feels like I don't I hate the term throwaway year,

2786
02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:16,000
Speaker 3: but it feels like he's got a lot of leeway

2787
02:12:16,040 --> 02:12:16,760
Speaker 3: going into this year.

2788
02:12:18,640 --> 02:12:20,600
Speaker 40: Sure, and he should he's a first year head coach.

2789
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:24,600
Speaker 40: It feels like the floor, though, is lower than it

2790
02:12:24,640 --> 02:12:28,720
Speaker 40: should be, right, That was my thoughts, Like Sean Miller,

2791
02:12:28,840 --> 02:12:31,160
Speaker 40: year one got sou le boom, then year two wasn't

2792
02:12:31,240 --> 02:12:35,240
Speaker 40: very good, but it didn't feel like the floor was

2793
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:37,760
Speaker 40: as low as it feels like it is for Xavier

2794
02:12:37,800 --> 02:12:38,160
Speaker 40: this year.

2795
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:40,280
Speaker 2: And I say that Rick Rick Burnings is going to

2796
02:12:40,360 --> 02:12:42,000
Speaker 2: join us in the five o'clock hour. It covers a team.

2797
02:12:42,120 --> 02:12:45,920
Speaker 40: Like everybody that I've talked to that's connected with the program,

2798
02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:52,640
Speaker 40: they like Richard, right, but they talk extensively about the

2799
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:57,120
Speaker 40: lack of just high major talent on the team and

2800
02:12:57,520 --> 02:13:00,920
Speaker 40: the low ceiling and the low floor. Like it feels

2801
02:13:00,920 --> 02:13:03,040
Speaker 40: like the floor is lower than you would expect it

2802
02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:04,560
Speaker 40: to be for Xavier basketball.

2803
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, just of the president that's been set may surprise

2804
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:10,360
Speaker 3: people that may end up being really good.

2805
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:15,120
Speaker 40: But and and frankly, much of that came before the

2806
02:13:15,200 --> 02:13:18,680
Speaker 40: Murray State game, right, I mean most people that I

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Speaker 40: know that watch that said like this is kind of

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Speaker 40: what we expected.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't put a lot in exhibitions, though, No, I

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02:13:27,480 --> 02:13:30,880
Speaker 3: don't either. I've never been one two you are. I've

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Speaker 3: been wanting to get too high or too low off

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Speaker 3: an exhibition contract.

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Speaker 40: Friday night, I was working, but I had it on

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Speaker 40: while you were being inducted into the Hall of Fame,

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02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:40,160
Speaker 40: and I said to myself, I'm really glad Tony's not

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02:13:40,200 --> 02:13:40,640
Speaker 40: watching this.

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Speaker 3: I was, I was, I was so caught up. I

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02:13:42,480 --> 02:13:44,400
Speaker 3: didn't even talk to you about it. Friday night. I

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02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:47,280
Speaker 3: got home and I remember, like, man, you see played

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02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:49,000
Speaker 3: tonight and I looked at the score.

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Speaker 2: It's like, okay, by the way. One thing I just

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02:13:51,680 --> 02:13:53,280
Speaker 2: looked at that Kentucky.

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Speaker 40: And Louisville playing on November eleventh. I don't know why

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Speaker 40: not because the game is always played between Christmas and

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02:13:59,640 --> 02:14:02,840
Speaker 40: New Year and college basketball is better then Yeah, why

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02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:05,080
Speaker 40: are those two schools playing? Like you see in Xavier.

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02:14:05,120 --> 02:14:07,400
Speaker 40: I wish played later they don't play in November.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be a fun one too.

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Speaker 3: Louis Louisville's got a lot of like dark horse contending

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Speaker 3: qualities this year with Louveland, Cincinnati, hereedig Bank, that's gonna

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Speaker 3: be fun. Your show is gonna be fun today it

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Speaker 3: sounds like it's an awesome It's gonna be just.

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Speaker 40: An incredible, incredible array of sports talk topics, guests, insights.

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Speaker 3: And then one more tomorrow before we get ready for

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Speaker 3: Utah commentary with no Evan Pryor. Yeah, it's disappointing, no Zoom,

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Speaker 3: but you said how healthy they've been on Monday, because.

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Speaker 40: It's true, they've been remarkably healthy. Are you gonna hang

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02:14:39,160 --> 02:14:40,640
Speaker 40: out with me and my mom in Salt Lake City?

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02:14:41,480 --> 02:14:43,120
Speaker 40: I can't wait to do anything in salt Lake.

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Speaker 2: City, my mom, my mom and her boyfriend coming to

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Speaker 2: salt Lake playing.

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02:14:48,360 --> 02:14:51,320
Speaker 3: Trigger treats somewhere we can what's your what's your go

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Speaker 3: to Halloween candy?

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02:14:55,400 --> 02:14:57,840
Speaker 2: Full size? TwixT bars? Okay?

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02:14:57,880 --> 02:14:59,320
Speaker 3: Oh that's what you'd like to eat, and that's what

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02:14:59,480 --> 02:15:01,560
Speaker 3: you like to pass Are you right TwixT or left?

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02:15:01,560 --> 02:15:05,360
Speaker 2: Twigs? Guy? I have no idea. I love I love twigs. Okay,

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02:15:05,600 --> 02:15:08,400
Speaker 2: that's my favorite candy? All right? Interesting? Full size? So

2850
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:10,080
Speaker 2: you dressed up to have have you ever dressed up

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02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:10,880
Speaker 2: to pass out candy?

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Speaker 19: No?

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02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:13,760
Speaker 2: What is the oldest jar when you tricker treated?

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Speaker 20: Oh?

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02:15:15,240 --> 02:15:18,160
Speaker 2: Probably like seventh grade, eighth grade? I was fifteen years old.

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02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:21,120
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, it's just we had to do that.

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02:15:21,200 --> 02:15:23,640
Speaker 3: Candy wrove us to the neighborhood who trick or treated him?

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02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:28,640
Speaker 2: Seither that or go and get into mischief.

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Speaker 40: You remember walking up to a door and the kids

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02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:32,640
Speaker 40: in front of us were just getting their candy, and

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02:15:32,680 --> 02:15:35,320
Speaker 40: I'm like, I'm more than twice their age. I shouldn't

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02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:37,960
Speaker 40: be doing this. It' stop me that night. Well, see

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02:15:37,960 --> 02:15:39,760
Speaker 40: what the see what your mom thinks? Maybe she can

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02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:43,400
Speaker 40: research out there is the thirteen year old kid who

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02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:46,000
Speaker 40: uh screwed up the Marty Brenneman statue. Is that kid

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02:15:46,040 --> 02:15:48,840
Speaker 40: gonna be trick or treating? Because I got.

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02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:50,520
Speaker 2: Some things I'd like to say to him, poor her

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02:15:51,560 --> 02:15:54,960
Speaker 2: whoever that was. More of that is coming up next.

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02:15:56,000 --> 02:16:00,960
Speaker 3: Tony and Mom hanging out Sinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 5: Have a great.

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Speaker 13: Wednesday, WCKY, Cincinnati. Make us the number one preset on

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Speaker 29: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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