WEBVTT - Brian Gorman (2-3-26)

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<v Speaker 1>And now an exclusive interview with David Basse for Dodger Talker.

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<v Speaker 2>David Vasse Dodger Talk with you until eight o'clock tonight

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<v Speaker 2>And our next show will be on Thursday night at

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<v Speaker 2>seven o'clock and we'll share some of those interviews with

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<v Speaker 2>you that we couldn't share on Saturday, including Max Munsey

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<v Speaker 2>and Miguel Rojas, So you don't want to miss that

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<v Speaker 2>show at seven o'clock with Max Munsey and Miguel Rojas.

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<v Speaker 2>But like I mentioned in our last segment, there are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be more changes to rules in Major League

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball to basically generate more offense. And we saw it

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<v Speaker 2>in spring training last year, the ABS system where the

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<v Speaker 2>hit or the catcher can challenge a ball or strike

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<v Speaker 2>and you only have two per game, And talking to

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<v Speaker 2>some guys that experienced this in the minor leagues, they

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<v Speaker 2>believe it's going to force pitchers to come more into

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<v Speaker 2>the strike zone. So we'll see how it plays out.

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<v Speaker 2>But we are joined right now by one of Major

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<v Speaker 2>League Baseball's observers. He certainly has observed a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>baseball because he was an umpire in Major League Baseball

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<v Speaker 2>for thirty seasons, three thousand, four hundred and thirty games.

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<v Speaker 2>Umpired to be exact, and that is the one and

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<v Speaker 2>only Brian Gorman. Brian, thanks a lot for the time,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great to be on.

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<v Speaker 2>So as we get closer to spring training, pitchers and

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<v Speaker 2>catchers are reporting the day before Valentine's Day, I felt

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<v Speaker 2>like this was a good night to remind fans that

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<v Speaker 2>there are going to be more new nuances to the

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<v Speaker 2>game of baseball. How do you feel about this ABS

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<v Speaker 2>system from an umpire standpoint?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is this is going to be big this season.

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest thing that I see about the ABS system

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<v Speaker 1>is the number of challenges each team have two challenges

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<v Speaker 1>per team for nine innings is really not that many,

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<v Speaker 1>so you really have to be careful when you use them.

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<v Speaker 1>So the strategy is really don't be so selfish in

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<v Speaker 1>using one when you got nobody on and two outs

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<v Speaker 1>and then you think a pitch is missed and you

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<v Speaker 1>challenge it, and then you're wrong and you lose that

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<v Speaker 1>challenge where you have a guy on second and third

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<v Speaker 1>and one out, you might want to be you use

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<v Speaker 1>that challenge. You don't want to lose it. So now

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<v Speaker 1>the pitcher, catcher, and batter have to do it immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no delay and there's no signals from the dugout

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. So the batter, pitcher and catcher

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<v Speaker 1>have to challenge it immediately right after the pitch is called.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that has even more strategy because you have

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<v Speaker 1>to be careful when not to lose a challenge. So

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<v Speaker 1>the situation is important, and you don't want to run

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<v Speaker 1>out of challenges when it comes that you need one

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the ninth inning, when you get some

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<v Speaker 1>you're down a couple of runs and you have some

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<v Speaker 1>guys on base.

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<v Speaker 2>So just to be clear, you have two challenges for

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<v Speaker 2>all nine innings. No challenges are going to be added

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<v Speaker 2>in the ninth inning. What if extra innings occur.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they have decided to maybe add a challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>If you still have your two challenges left, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>change in it. But if you're out of challenges, you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about adding a challenge. You if you still have

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<v Speaker 1>you if you have one challenge left and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the tenth inning, then you still have a

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<v Speaker 1>challenge left. So the biggest thing is like, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>right on a challenge and you get the call reversed,

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<v Speaker 1>you keep that challenge. But there has to be a

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<v Speaker 1>penalty or they would challenge every pitch for sure. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're wrong on the challenge and the and the

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<v Speaker 1>umpire got it right, you're down to one challenge. So

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's that's the strategy part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we saw this in spring training last year. The

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<v Speaker 2>spring training facilities that had you know, the video scoreboards,

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<v Speaker 2>you would see where the pitch was and you would

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<v Speaker 2>know pretty quickly. I know, you have to challenge quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>How quickly is the process to keep the game moving,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's a ball or strike.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the key. You have to do it immediately. So

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be sure that the pitch was messed.

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<v Speaker 1>If you just like, go, that was closed, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to challenge it, you might lose that challenge and you'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the umpires are so good that you know

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<v Speaker 1>people all realize this. Ninety five to ninety seven percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the pitch is called are correct. So when you

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<v Speaker 1>use your challenge. You're challenging, you know, three percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the calls of the pitches thrown that day, So you

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<v Speaker 1>better be right if you want to if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to save your challenges.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the voice a veteran Major League baseball umpire Brian Gorman. Now, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked to players that have experienced the ABS system

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<v Speaker 2>in the minor leagues, and the one thing they point

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<v Speaker 2>out about this that may be a flaw is that

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<v Speaker 2>David Vas say strike zone is different than let's say

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Gorman strike zone. Does this automated strike zone take

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<v Speaker 2>into account, you know, different batting stances like let's say

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<v Speaker 2>Ricky Henderson or Pete Rose compared to Cody Bellinger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the formula that they came up with is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be based on the player's height, where a percentage

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<v Speaker 1>of the lower percentage of the strike zone is based

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the player's height, and the upper percentage

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<v Speaker 1>of the strike zone is based on the player's height,

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<v Speaker 1>so will change depending on the taller player as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to a shorter player. East and West doesn't change. It's

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<v Speaker 1>still the seventeen inches, so the higher end of the

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<v Speaker 1>strike zone and the lower end of the strike zone

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<v Speaker 1>will be adjusted for each player.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when you say a player's height, I mean Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Rose was whatever he was, Ricky Henderson was whatever he

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<v Speaker 2>was standing tall, But once they got into the batter's

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<v Speaker 2>box and had that exaggerated bend over batting stands, their

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<v Speaker 2>height was significantly different. Are we talking about batting stands height?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we talking what they're listed in your program?

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking. We're talking about the player's height when discussing

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<v Speaker 1>the strike zone as this, if he's swinging at the

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<v Speaker 1>pitch like you know, if you're a player and you

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<v Speaker 1>just stand straight up, that has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>your strike sound. Your strike zone is determined as you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to strike at the pitch, So it changes lower

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<v Speaker 1>in the upper end than the lower end because your

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<v Speaker 1>knees don't go any lower. But as you as you

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<v Speaker 1>strike and swing to hit the pitch, that's what determines

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<v Speaker 1>your upper and lower of the strike zone. So this

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<v Speaker 1>formula they came up with is you know they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna go with it, so I hope it works.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see in spring training.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like there might be some tweaks during

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<v Speaker 2>the season, or is this the technology, the system depending

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<v Speaker 2>on you know, if players start to complain about what

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<v Speaker 2>they're actual strike zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Is right, it's gonna it's gonna be an adjustment for

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<v Speaker 1>everybody because they're gonna there's gonna be players saying, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my strike zun's too high or my strikes

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<v Speaker 1>onus too low. But this is the formula can't came

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<v Speaker 1>up with, and you know they have the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>tweak it. But you know that's that's much higher than

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<v Speaker 1>my pay grade when those decisions are made, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Doubt, no doubt. Brian Gorman is our guest. He's one

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<v Speaker 2>of Major League Baseball's observers. He's at Dodgers Stadium every game,

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<v Speaker 2>watching the games, observing the umpires. And a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>umpired three thy four hundred and thirty games. Now, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember one spring training game that the Dodgers were

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<v Speaker 2>playing and Austin Barnes, who is known to have a

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<v Speaker 2>great awareness of the strike zone, challenge four consecutive pitches

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<v Speaker 2>and got them correct all four. If that happens in

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<v Speaker 2>a major league game, how much do does the homeplate

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<v Speaker 2>umpires start to question himself? Is that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>unintended consequences of technology that all of a sudden, a

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<v Speaker 2>major league umpire may not have the confidence to call

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<v Speaker 2>balls and strikes. Could an umpire go into a slump

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<v Speaker 2>in that type of situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, without question, what I saw is I'm glad, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad I'm retired when this happened. Yeah. It's like you

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<v Speaker 1>get having, you know, first pitch of the game being

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<v Speaker 1>challenged and you lose it. You know that would hurt you,

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<v Speaker 1>that that searcher, you know, it gets in your head

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<v Speaker 1>and says, oh my god, I got you know, two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty five more pitches to call. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see. I think, I think, I hope that what

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<v Speaker 1>I said earlier about the ninety five percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>pitches are called correctly. But I'm sure, I'm sure we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have a situation where where there's you know, six or

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<v Speaker 1>seven challenges early in the game and then and they've

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<v Speaker 1>all been overturned, and it might be a long it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a long night for some umpires.

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<v Speaker 2>So Brian, on the flip side, this might be validation

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<v Speaker 2>for major league umpires to say, hey, this is proof

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<v Speaker 2>we don't need a Twitter account to show our scorecard.

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<v Speaker 2>That's out there publicly. This will be proof that we're

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good at our job, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's happened in the minor leagues. There were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these challenges. I think only about half

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<v Speaker 1>of them were successful, so that means that the other

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<v Speaker 1>half the umpire got it right. So you're gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>even the pitches that are missed are probably missed within

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<v Speaker 1>an inch of the play either either they just catch

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<v Speaker 1>the corner or they're just slightly off the corner and

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<v Speaker 1>that pitch was challenged. You're not going to see the

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<v Speaker 1>pitch that's you know, forced five inches outside that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because they you know. I'm sure it happens once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, but not very often.

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<v Speaker 2>So have you seen how this works in minor league games?

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<v Speaker 1>Brian, Yeah, yeah, I went to I probably went to

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<v Speaker 1>about two dozen minor league games last year, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good. I thought it would slow the game down.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem to slow game down. I think I've

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<v Speaker 1>only the most I've seen challenge was probably like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>five or six a game, so I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the average is, but for a nine to any game,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's many. And about half of those

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<v Speaker 1>who were successful, and then then the other half the

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<v Speaker 1>umpire got a right, So it didn't really affect the

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<v Speaker 1>game time or that, you know, the enthusiasm of the

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<v Speaker 1>fans raiming, and it just kind of banded a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit to the strategy. And and you know, obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>fans wanted and you know what the fans. What the

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<v Speaker 1>fans want, they usually get. So that's, uh, that's why

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<v Speaker 1>we all go out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people in spring training last year enjoyed it, so

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't It didn't get bad feedback. Fans enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>And Dalton Rushing, who had the unique experience of being

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<v Speaker 2>a catcher and a hitter in the minor leagues with

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<v Speaker 2>all this going on, was a little torn. When I

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<v Speaker 2>asked him about this last year. He said, as a catcher,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really love it because pitchers are forced to

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<v Speaker 2>throw more in the strike zone. But as a hitter,

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<v Speaker 2>I love it for that same reason. Did you see

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<v Speaker 2>more offense? Did you see the pitchers have to fill

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<v Speaker 2>up the strike zone more?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna spur a little offense. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the long run, that's what they want, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they want more stolen bases. They love. About two years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>they did a survey with all the players, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the triple was the number one thing, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>stolen bases was number two. So that's why they made

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<v Speaker 1>the base the bases bigger, and they limited you know,

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<v Speaker 1>step offs for pitchers, so people want to see runs.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why most of these these rules changes are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Everybody loves the offense. Chicks dig

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<v Speaker 2>the long ball, as they used to say when Mark

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<v Speaker 2>McGuire was playing. Brian Gorman is our guest from the

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<v Speaker 2>Canaje Valley. That's where he hangs out these days. But

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Gorman's not only here to talk about the rules,

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<v Speaker 2>He's here to talk about games at a umpire that

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<v Speaker 2>involved Dodger history. Back in May of two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Green hit four home runs and had a major

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<v Speaker 2>League record nineteen total bases. And our guy, Brian Gorman

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<v Speaker 2>was behind the plate that day in Milwaukee. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you remember about that day? As a home plate umpire

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<v Speaker 2>and unbiased observer in that situation.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a pretty good evening. It's kind of funny

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<v Speaker 1>because to be part of history and you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything every time he got to the plate.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even think I called the pitch on him.

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<v Speaker 1>He swung him four of it went over the fence.

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<v Speaker 1>So but yeah, he had a pretty good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you aware as an umpire about a player having

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<v Speaker 2>that type of game or are you focused pitch to pitch?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know he broke the record

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<v Speaker 1>until probably a couple of days later. Obviously, you know

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<v Speaker 1>he's having a pretty good night when he hit the

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<v Speaker 1>second home run, then he hit the third home run,

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<v Speaker 1>then he hits his fourth home run. But apparently it

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<v Speaker 1>was something like nineteen nineteen total bases and he had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of guys on. I think he set the

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<v Speaker 1>RBI record and all that stuff. So yeah, he he

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<v Speaker 1>ate his weedies that boy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll ask you this question too. Milwaukee is known as

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<v Speaker 2>a hitters ballpark, as Sean Green can attest to. If

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<v Speaker 2>it's a hitters ballpark, does that mean it's easier to

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<v Speaker 2>see the baseball and the strike zone if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>home played umpire in a ballpark like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Not really. I think most of most of the ballparks

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<v Speaker 1>have a good we call it background where they have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the green or the dark dark blue background

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<v Speaker 1>where dead center fields. You know, the hitters use it

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And most of the time these ballparks are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty uniform with the background. Sometimes on a day game

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<v Speaker 1>like and Wrigularly, sometimes they take some of the tarps

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<v Speaker 1>off and they put fans in there, and that might

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<v Speaker 1>make it a little bit difficult to track a ball,

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<v Speaker 1>track a pitch, but most of the ballparks have good backgrounds.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, good to know. Hey, Brian Gorman, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for coming on. You always educate us, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is something fans should be prepared for because it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be part of their game during the regular

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<v Speaker 2>season that matters. So it's just a good heads up

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<v Speaker 2>on what's to come as we get closer to spring training.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting to see how this develops.

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<v Speaker 2>No doubt. And maybe I'll see you up there in

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<v Speaker 2>the Canejo Valley soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I will be I will be out there. I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>up in the press box. Have an ice cream?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, sounds good, Brian, Thanks for the time.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>There he goes major League Baseball veteran umpire Brian Gorman.

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<v Speaker 2>He's what they call now a Major League Baseball observer. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>he's there to monitor the umpire, seeing how the flow

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<v Speaker 2>of the game goes. He's not a supervisor, but a

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<v Speaker 2>Major League Baseball observer, a man that umpired three thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred and thirty games in his thirty years in

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<v Speaker 2>Major League baseball. So thank you to Brian Gorman.