1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: And now an exclusive interview with David Basse for Dodger Talker. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: David Vasse Dodger Talk with you until eight o'clock tonight 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: here on a five to seventy LA Sports. In case 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: you missed any of our show from this past Saturday 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: at Dodger Fest, you can find that on the iHeartRadio app. 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: And our next show will be on Thursday night at 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: seven o'clock and we'll share some of those interviews with 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: you that we couldn't share on Saturday, including Max Munsey 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: and Miguel Rojas, So you don't want to miss that 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: show at seven o'clock with Max Munsey and Miguel Rojas. 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: But like I mentioned in our last segment, there are 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: going to be more changes to rules in Major League 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: Baseball to basically generate more offense. And we saw it 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: in spring training last year, the ABS system where the 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: hit or the catcher can challenge a ball or strike 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: and you only have two per game, And talking to 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: some guys that experienced this in the minor leagues, they 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: believe it's going to force pitchers to come more into 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: the strike zone. So we'll see how it plays out. 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: But we are joined right now by one of Major 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: League Baseball's observers. He certainly has observed a lot of 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: baseball because he was an umpire in Major League Baseball 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: for thirty seasons, three thousand, four hundred and thirty games. 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: Umpired to be exact, and that is the one and 25 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: only Brian Gorman. Brian, thanks a lot for the time, 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: That's great to be on. 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: So as we get closer to spring training, pitchers and 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: catchers are reporting the day before Valentine's Day, I felt 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: like this was a good night to remind fans that 31 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: there are going to be more new nuances to the 32 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: game of baseball. How do you feel about this ABS 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: system from an umpire standpoint? 34 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is going to be big this season. 35 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: The biggest thing that I see about the ABS system 36 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: is the number of challenges each team have two challenges 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: per team for nine innings is really not that many, 38 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: so you really have to be careful when you use them. 39 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: So the strategy is really don't be so selfish in 40 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: using one when you got nobody on and two outs 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: and then you think a pitch is missed and you 42 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: challenge it, and then you're wrong and you lose that 43 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: challenge where you have a guy on second and third 44 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: and one out, you might want to be you use 45 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: that challenge. You don't want to lose it. So now 46 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: the pitcher, catcher, and batter have to do it immediately. 47 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 1: There's no delay and there's no signals from the dugout 48 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: or anything like that. So the batter, pitcher and catcher 49 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: have to challenge it immediately right after the pitch is called. 50 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: So that's that has even more strategy because you have 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: to be careful when not to lose a challenge. So 52 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: the situation is important, and you don't want to run 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: out of challenges when it comes that you need one 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: in the in the ninth inning, when you get some 55 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: you're down a couple of runs and you have some 56 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: guys on base. 57 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: So just to be clear, you have two challenges for 58 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: all nine innings. No challenges are going to be added 59 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: in the ninth inning. What if extra innings occur. 60 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: I think they have decided to maybe add a challenge. 61 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: If you still have your two challenges left, there's no 62 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: change in it. But if you're out of challenges, you're 63 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: thinking about adding a challenge. You if you still have 64 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: you if you have one challenge left and it's the 65 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: top of the tenth inning, then you still have a 66 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: challenge left. So the biggest thing is like, if you're 67 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: right on a challenge and you get the call reversed, 68 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: you keep that challenge. But there has to be a 69 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: penalty or they would challenge every pitch for sure. So 70 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: if you're wrong on the challenge and the and the 71 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: umpire got it right, you're down to one challenge. So 72 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: and so that's that's the strategy part of it. 73 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: So we saw this in spring training last year. The 74 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: spring training facilities that had you know, the video scoreboards, 75 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: you would see where the pitch was and you would 76 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: know pretty quickly. I know, you have to challenge quickly. 77 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: How quickly is the process to keep the game moving, 78 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,239 Speaker 2: whether it's a ball or strike. 79 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: That's the key. You have to do it immediately. So 80 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: you have to be sure that the pitch was messed. 81 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: If you just like, go, that was closed, I'm going 82 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: to challenge it, you might lose that challenge and you'll see. 83 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: You know, the umpires are so good that you know 84 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: people all realize this. Ninety five to ninety seven percent 85 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: of the pitch is called are correct. So when you 86 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: use your challenge. You're challenging, you know, three percent of 87 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: the calls of the pitches thrown that day, So you 88 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: better be right if you want to if you want 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: to save your challenges. 90 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: That's the voice a veteran Major League baseball umpire Brian Gorman. Now, Brian, 91 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: I've talked to players that have experienced the ABS system 92 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,559 Speaker 2: in the minor leagues, and the one thing they point 93 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: out about this that may be a flaw is that 94 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: David Vas say strike zone is different than let's say 95 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: Brian Gorman strike zone. Does this automated strike zone take 96 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: into account, you know, different batting stances like let's say 97 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: Ricky Henderson or Pete Rose compared to Cody Bellinger. 98 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, the formula that they came up with is going 99 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: to be based on the player's height, where a percentage 100 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: of the lower percentage of the strike zone is based 101 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: on the on the player's height, and the upper percentage 102 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: of the strike zone is based on the player's height, 103 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: so will change depending on the taller player as opposed 104 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: to a shorter player. East and West doesn't change. It's 105 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: still the seventeen inches, so the higher end of the 106 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: strike zone and the lower end of the strike zone 107 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: will be adjusted for each player. 108 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 2: Now, when you say a player's height, I mean Pete 109 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: Rose was whatever he was, Ricky Henderson was whatever he 110 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: was standing tall, But once they got into the batter's 111 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: box and had that exaggerated bend over batting stands, their 112 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: height was significantly different. Are we talking about batting stands height? 113 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: Are we talking what they're listed in your program? 114 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: We're talking. We're talking about the player's height when discussing 115 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: the strike zone as this, if he's swinging at the 116 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: pitch like you know, if you're a player and you 117 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: just stand straight up, that has nothing to do with 118 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: your strike sound. Your strike zone is determined as you're 119 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: trying to strike at the pitch, So it changes lower 120 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: in the upper end than the lower end because your 121 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: knees don't go any lower. But as you as you 122 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: strike and swing to hit the pitch, that's what determines 123 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: your upper and lower of the strike zone. So this 124 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: formula they came up with is you know they're gonna 125 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: they're gonna go with it, so I hope it works. 126 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: We'll see in spring training. 127 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: Do you feel like there might be some tweaks during 128 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: the season, or is this the technology, the system depending 129 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: on you know, if players start to complain about what 130 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: they're actual strike zone. 131 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: Is right, it's gonna it's gonna be an adjustment for 132 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: everybody because they're gonna there's gonna be players saying, no, 133 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, my strike zun's too high or my strikes 134 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: onus too low. But this is the formula can't came 135 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: up with, and you know they have the ability to 136 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: tweak it. But you know that's that's much higher than 137 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: my pay grade when those decisions are made, no. 138 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: Doubt, no doubt. Brian Gorman is our guest. He's one 139 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: of Major League Baseball's observers. He's at Dodgers Stadium every game, 140 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: watching the games, observing the umpires. And a guy that 141 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: umpired three thy four hundred and thirty games. Now, Brian, 142 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: I remember one spring training game that the Dodgers were 143 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: playing and Austin Barnes, who is known to have a 144 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: great awareness of the strike zone, challenge four consecutive pitches 145 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: and got them correct all four. If that happens in 146 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: a major league game, how much do does the homeplate 147 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: umpires start to question himself? Is that one of the 148 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: unintended consequences of technology that all of a sudden, a 149 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: major league umpire may not have the confidence to call 150 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: balls and strikes. Could an umpire go into a slump 151 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: in that type of situation. 152 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: Oh, without question, what I saw is I'm glad, I'm 153 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: glad I'm retired when this happened. Yeah. It's like you 154 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: get having, you know, first pitch of the game being 155 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: challenged and you lose it. You know that would hurt you, 156 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: that that searcher, you know, it gets in your head 157 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: and says, oh my god, I got you know, two 158 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five more pitches to call. But yeah, 159 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: we'll see. I think, I think, I hope that what 160 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: I said earlier about the ninety five percent of the 161 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: pitches are called correctly. But I'm sure, I'm sure we'll 162 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: have a situation where where there's you know, six or 163 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: seven challenges early in the game and then and they've 164 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: all been overturned, and it might be a long it's 165 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: going to be a long night for some umpires. 166 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 2: So Brian, on the flip side, this might be validation 167 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 2: for major league umpires to say, hey, this is proof 168 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: we don't need a Twitter account to show our scorecard. 169 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: That's out there publicly. This will be proof that we're 170 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: pretty good at our job, right. 171 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: I think that's happened in the minor leagues. There were 172 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: a lot of these challenges. I think only about half 173 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: of them were successful, so that means that the other 174 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: half the umpire got it right. So you're gonna see 175 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: even the pitches that are missed are probably missed within 176 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: an inch of the play either either they just catch 177 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: the corner or they're just slightly off the corner and 178 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: that pitch was challenged. You're not going to see the 179 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: pitch that's you know, forced five inches outside that you know, 180 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: because they you know. I'm sure it happens once in 181 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: a while, but not very often. 182 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: So have you seen how this works in minor league games? 183 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: Brian, Yeah, yeah, I went to I probably went to 184 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: about two dozen minor league games last year, and it's 185 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: pretty good. I thought it would slow the game down. 186 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to slow game down. I think I've 187 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: only the most I've seen challenge was probably like maybe 188 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: five or six a game, so I don't know what 189 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: the average is, but for a nine to any game, 190 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't think that's many. And about half of those 191 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: who were successful, and then then the other half the 192 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: umpire got a right, So it didn't really affect the 193 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: game time or that, you know, the enthusiasm of the 194 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: fans raiming, and it just kind of banded a little 195 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: bit to the strategy. And and you know, obviously the 196 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: fans wanted and you know what the fans. What the 197 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: fans want, they usually get. So that's, uh, that's why 198 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: we all go out there. 199 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, people in spring training last year enjoyed it, so 200 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: it wasn't It didn't get bad feedback. Fans enjoyed it. 201 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: And Dalton Rushing, who had the unique experience of being 202 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: a catcher and a hitter in the minor leagues with 203 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: all this going on, was a little torn. When I 204 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: asked him about this last year. He said, as a catcher, 205 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: I don't really love it because pitchers are forced to 206 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: throw more in the strike zone. But as a hitter, 207 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: I love it for that same reason. Did you see 208 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: more offense? Did you see the pitchers have to fill 209 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: up the strike zone more? 210 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna spur a little offense. You know, 211 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: in the long run, that's what they want, you know, 212 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: they want more stolen bases. They love. About two years ago, 213 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: they did a survey with all the players, and you know, 214 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: the triple was the number one thing, and I think 215 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: stolen bases was number two. So that's why they made 216 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: the base the bases bigger, and they limited you know, 217 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: step offs for pitchers, so people want to see runs. 218 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: So that's why most of these these rules changes are. 219 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Everybody loves the offense. Chicks dig 220 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: the long ball, as they used to say when Mark 221 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: McGuire was playing. Brian Gorman is our guest from the 222 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: Canaje Valley. That's where he hangs out these days. But 223 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: Brian Gorman's not only here to talk about the rules, 224 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: He's here to talk about games at a umpire that 225 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: involved Dodger history. Back in May of two thousand and two, 226 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 2: Sean Green hit four home runs and had a major 227 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: League record nineteen total bases. And our guy, Brian Gorman 228 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: was behind the plate that day in Milwaukee. What do 229 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: you remember about that day? As a home plate umpire 230 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: and unbiased observer in that situation. 231 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: He had a pretty good evening. It's kind of funny 232 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: because to be part of history and you don't have 233 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: to do anything every time he got to the plate. 234 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: I don't even think I called the pitch on him. 235 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: He swung him four of it went over the fence. 236 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: So but yeah, he had a pretty good night. 237 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: Are you aware as an umpire about a player having 238 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: that type of game or are you focused pitch to pitch? 239 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know he broke the record 240 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: until probably a couple of days later. Obviously, you know 241 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: he's having a pretty good night when he hit the 242 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: second home run, then he hit the third home run, 243 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: then he hits his fourth home run. But apparently it 244 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: was something like nineteen nineteen total bases and he had 245 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: a couple of guys on. I think he set the 246 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: RBI record and all that stuff. So yeah, he he 247 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: ate his weedies that boy. 248 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: I'll ask you this question too. Milwaukee is known as 249 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: a hitters ballpark, as Sean Green can attest to. If 250 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: it's a hitters ballpark, does that mean it's easier to 251 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: see the baseball and the strike zone if you're a 252 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: home played umpire in a ballpark like that. 253 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: Not really. I think most of most of the ballparks 254 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: have a good we call it background where they have 255 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: you know, the green or the dark dark blue background 256 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: where dead center fields. You know, the hitters use it 257 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: as well. And most of the time these ballparks are 258 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: pretty uniform with the background. Sometimes on a day game 259 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: like and Wrigularly, sometimes they take some of the tarps 260 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: off and they put fans in there, and that might 261 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: make it a little bit difficult to track a ball, 262 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: track a pitch, but most of the ballparks have good backgrounds. 263 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: All right, good to know. Hey, Brian Gorman, thank you 264 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: so much for coming on. You always educate us, and 265 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: this is something fans should be prepared for because it's 266 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: going to be part of their game during the regular 267 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: season that matters. So it's just a good heads up 268 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: on what's to come as we get closer to spring training. 269 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: So thank you so much. 270 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: Interesting to see how this develops. 271 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: No doubt. And maybe I'll see you up there in 272 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: the Canejo Valley soon. 273 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: I will be I will be out there. I'll be 274 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: up in the press box. Have an ice cream? 275 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: All right, sounds good, Brian, Thanks for the time. 276 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: All right, thank you. 277 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: There he goes major League Baseball veteran umpire Brian Gorman. 278 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: He's what they call now a Major League Baseball observer. Basically, 279 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: he's there to monitor the umpire, seeing how the flow 280 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: of the game goes. He's not a supervisor, but a 281 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball observer, a man that umpired three thousand, 282 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: four hundred and thirty games in his thirty years in 283 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: Major League baseball. So thank you to Brian Gorman.