1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Chuck King Ramont fifty five krc A talk station. 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 2: Fighting Souls from the Sky, Fearless men who jump and die, men. 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: Who mean just what they say. Love, Brave Men of 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 3: the GREENBW rays Hey twenty nine fifty five KRSK singing along. 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: I can see him doing it. The only pro Vietnam 6 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 3: movie ever made, John Wayne, the Green Beret. Welcome back 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: Daniel Davis, retired Lieutenant Colonel for the Daniel Davis Deep Dive. 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 3: Finding where you find your podcast just search for Daniel 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: Davis Deep Dive. And of course let me start off 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: by thanking you for your well on your your service 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 3: to our country, which is currently ongoing in the form 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: of your commentary related to military matters. It's great to 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: have you on the show again, Daniel Davis. 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Always a great pleasure to be here. 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: Happy Veterans Day, sir. Before we get to, of course, 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: whatever's going on between Israel and the Palestinians and Russia 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: and Ukraine, which apparently took a turn for the worse 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 3: for Ukraine recently, I want to ask you about your 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: your reaction to yesterday's meeting with the Syrian president. He's 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: agreed to enter into a coalition to fight ISIS and 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: terrorism and generally stabilize the region in return for reductionist 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: sanctions from the US and playing along economically for his 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 3: citizen's own benefit. Bashar al Asad would never have done this, 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: and I didn't think in my lifetime we'd ever see 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: a step toward this type of agreement, as limited as 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: it may be in my lifetime, considering Syria being Syria. 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: Your reaction to the development from yesterday, Sir, I. 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: Gotta say I'm torn, and I'm gonna hold my judgment 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: until we see what happens in time, clearly because we 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: can't lose side of the fact that just a few 31 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: months ago this guy was had a ten million dollar 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: i think reward on his head by the US government 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: for there are terrorist activities that he had done, and 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: he is part of Alnwiser, as part of ISIS and 35 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: several others what we considered terrorist groups, and then you 36 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: know he has a change of heart. 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: Now. 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: I am all about doing what makes sense for our country, 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: and if we can make a deal with somebody that 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: increases our security, that causes us to be able to 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: redeploy and leave troops behind, that we have in Syria 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: right now, which I'm told by a certain member of 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: the administration just days ago that that is the case, 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: that we were planning to remove all of our troops 45 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: from Syria by September of twenty twenty six. 46 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: Big time supporter of that. Yes, if this works. 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: And if it holds, and if it brings peace and 48 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: help to the people of Syria and reduces our exposure 49 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: in the region, then it's a great thing and I'm 50 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: all for it. 51 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's like. 52 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 3: The Italians getting rid of Mussolinian getting away from the 53 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: Axis Powers before World War Two is over. Maybe he 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: realized he's on the losing side and this growing coalition 55 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: of what I'll well down to the in the idea 56 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: of the Abraham of Coorse, let's play nice together for 57 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: our own mutual benefit and put aside our differences. Maybe 58 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: he just sees that is the future for the region. 59 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: This is where my optimism comes from, Daniel Davis. Maybe 60 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: it's false. 61 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, look, self interest is definitely at play here. 62 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: And if we know anything at all about a lot 63 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: of the way things work in the air world for decades, 64 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: and you could probably go back centuries. 65 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: The friend of my friend. 66 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 2: A friend of my enemy is my friend, and if 67 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: he sees a benefit to work together with us today, 68 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: he can do it. And if things change two years 69 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: from now, he'll do that too. And you know, we 70 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: certainly can't forget the time when we had during the 71 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: Sons of Iraq, during our big problem that we had 72 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: with him during the two thousand and five seven period, 73 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, for reasons that made sense to 74 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: them on the ground, they joined forces with us after 75 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: having been fighting us the day before, and then all 76 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: of a sudden, now then we're their friends, were giving 77 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: them money, and that dramatic we reduce the amount of 78 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: violence against the American troops and eventually pay the way 79 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: for us to leave our combat troops there at least 80 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: for a period of time. So it can work, but 81 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: you have to understand it's a transient thing, and the 82 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: minute that things change for them, they'll change on the 83 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 2: other side. So we have to always keep a wary 84 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: eye on that. 85 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: Well, back to your concept before, when the Russians had 86 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 3: invaded Afghanistan, we cuddled up with the m Jahadeen and 87 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: some of the other just because they are against the Russians. 88 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: And then where do we find our once we go 89 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: into Afghanistan. I hate to laugh over that tragedy, but 90 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 3: there's another illustration of your point. The enemy of my 91 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: enemy is my friend until the other enemy is not 92 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: there anymore. Daniel Davis, let us move over. Apparently, I 93 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: see the headline we are losing polk Rovos, Russia Near's 94 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: biggest gain since Bachhmut this this morning, and that obviously 95 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: means territorial gains to the advantage of the Russians, but 96 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: also on the heels of and we experienced our first 97 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: win blast here in the greater Cincinnati areas down to 98 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 3: the twenties, and we had to deal with some snow 99 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 3: on the ground. That happened on the same day I 100 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 3: read about Russia hitting a lot of Ukrainians power sources, 101 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: ultimately resulting in zero power or energy, which I perceived 102 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: to be as freezing Ukrainians. So amid all this, what's 103 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: your assessment of the situation between those two countries. 104 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: The situation in pakrolskis is almost completely gone. The city 105 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: of Pakrosk itself is all but gone. There's just a 106 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: few outlying neighborhoods and groupings of buildings on the very 107 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: far outskirts on the north and northeastern quadrants of the city. 108 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: The bigger issue is that there are some number of 109 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: thousands of Ukrainians trapped in the sister city of Mirinograd 110 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: right next to it. There's another grouping in the south 111 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: and kind of a forested, patched area where Ukraine has 112 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: been defending for quite a long time. They're now physically 113 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 2: surrounded and Ukraine is fighting really hard on a city 114 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: call Rodenska, actually it's more like a medium sized town 115 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 2: up north of that. They're trying fiercely to try to 116 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: break through the Russian positions, to try and open up 117 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 2: a corridor so that those troops in Mirnograd can escape. 118 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: It remains to be seen whether they'll succeed on that. 119 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: They haven't in many other areas, because Russia, according to 120 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: General Sirski from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, has about one 121 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand reserve forces in the area, and 122 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: if Ukraine serves to have success there, it seems reasonable 123 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: to presume that Russia would flood those reserves in and 124 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 2: close that off. 125 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: If Russia is completely able to close the pinchers. 126 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: And Ukraine can't unblock it, it's not just the loss 127 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: of the city, the political loss, but then it'll be 128 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: the twin cities lost and all the troops that are 129 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: trained profited as well, and it's going to be a 130 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: real big problem, even bigger. 131 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: Than it might seem. 132 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: And then there's issues going on also in the Kupeonsk area. 133 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: There was a overnight there was reports that Russia had 134 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: crossed a certain river inside there and taken a rail 135 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: station that was deep inside Ukraine lines. And then some 136 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: other areas also on this Slabyansky Chromatursk area of the 137 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 2: Donetsk All of this is really starting to get pretty wabbly, 138 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: and it could be a really ugly winter for not 139 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: just the people there on the front line, but also 140 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: back in the capital city and other places. And also, 141 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw in the New York 142 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: Times is reporting yesterday there's been this big problem inside 143 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: the Ukraine government where one of the guys that we 144 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: were helping funnel money into Ukraine for drone production turns 145 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: out he was actually siphoning off the top to the 146 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: tune of one hundred million dollars. 147 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: He has now fled. 148 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: There's a man hunt for him, and by the way, 149 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: he was a really close confidant of Vloid mr Zelinsky. 150 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: So not a good look for the Ukraine. 151 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: Size, and which confirms what many people in my listening audience, 152 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: and certainly I include myself in this group. You know 153 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: what's really happening to all the money? I mean, the 154 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: fog of war is bad enough, and when you're funding 155 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: a war or a lot of money can go by 156 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: the wayside and go missing. We've seen this time and 157 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: time and time and time and time again with dictators 158 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: or regimes that we've supported when they have to flee 159 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: the country because they get overrun. They end up on 160 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: a plane with billions of US dollars in currency and 161 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: live lavish lives in the aftermath. So I can't abide 162 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: any of that. So I does this do these losses 163 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: or you know, impending losses, what's going on right now 164 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: with the surrounding of the troops, does that create an 165 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: opportunity perhaps for Zelenski to maybe say, listen, we can't 166 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 3: afford this loss of life anymore in the name of humanity. 167 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: We're going to negotiate a peace agreement that it does 168 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: in fact involves the conceding some of the land to 169 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: the Russians in order to end this bloody conflict. I mean, 170 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: some point, somebody's got to say that out loud. 171 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: No, no, I don't. 172 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 2: I think that we have passed that point, because he 173 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: showed when they refuse to give a similar order to 174 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: preserve their troops Bachmut nearly two years ago in Avdifka. 175 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: Shortly after that in the Kursk operation where they had 176 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 2: this penetration into Russia which never had any prayer of 177 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: accomplishing anything for Ukraine, they ended up sacrificing about seventy 178 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: thousand killed, and of course after eight months you couldn't 179 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 2: tell they were ever there. 180 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: It was a complete and total loss. 181 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: And now here we are in Kromatura or sorry, in Vokrosk, 182 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: in the Milograd area, the same dynamic. 183 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: They refuse to get them out. 184 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: Now they're trying belatedly to break them out, but we 185 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: don't even know that that's what they're doing. They may 186 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: simply be trying to re establish it. They may not 187 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: be trying to get them out. So even if they 188 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: broke through, who knows whether they would allow their troops 189 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: to leave. I doubt it, and his Zelenski's commentary continues 190 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 2: to be really boisterous and kind of in your face, 191 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: and we're not giving up anything. 192 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: So no, I don't think they'll come a point. 193 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: I think that either we're going to have to pull 194 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: the plug on him or he's going to take his 195 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: country to complete destruction. 196 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: Were you kind of anticipated what I was going to 197 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: ask you on along those lines, Let's say, a couple 198 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: of years ago, the idea of US military aid, and 199 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: of course European military aid was still a pretty strong concept. 200 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: We were giving them aid, we were entertaining questions for 201 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 3: more missiles, et cetera, et cetera. I think we got 202 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: the end of our rope on that we've all talked 203 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: about supply chain issues, the expense of patriot missiles versus 204 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: the actual drones that they're that are being used in war, 205 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: and the ridiculous notion of using patriots against drones, Tomahawk missiles, 206 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: and any equation. We talked about the having to need 207 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: American soldiers and troops to actually operate those, which is 208 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: a big red flag for most people. But given what 209 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 3: and again correct me, because you're following this far more 210 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: close closer than I am, it just seems to me 211 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: that the idea based on everything you've even said on 212 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: this right, Ukraine is losing and it seems that all 213 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: the weapons in the world are not going to better 214 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 3: at situation militarily, as this war rage is on that 215 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 3: maybe that practical reality is kind of settled in somewhere 216 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: in Ukraine, whether or not Zelensky has he seems to 217 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 3: just be just you know, spitting in the wind or 218 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: something like that. He's not facing reality. So is there 219 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: a different element, perhaps a play here given the global perception. 220 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'll tell you there's an additional problem that 221 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: cannot be overlooked, and that is the fact that Zelensky 222 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 2: is being greatly encouraged and supported emotionally and otherwise by Europe. 223 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: And you have here Starmer of uk Manuel Macrone of France, 224 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: Chancellor Metz from Germany. They are emphatically and enthusiastically saying, no, 225 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: keep going, don't stop in Britain. Here's some more storm 226 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: shadow missiles you can fire deeper into Russia, and here's 227 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: some other components you need. You can hit Russia's oil infrastructure, 228 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: et cetera. And they're doing some of that. And on 229 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: the one hand, you may say, well, that's fair game. 230 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: You're in a war, they can do that, and that's fine, 231 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: and as long as it produces something positive for your 232 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: side and gives you a chance to either succeed or 233 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: push the Russians back. But if all it does is 234 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: infuriate the Russians and it's not a fraction enough to 235 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: change the dynamics, and all you do is increase the 236 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: chance that Ukraine will be crushed and there won't be 237 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: a negotiat settlement. 238 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: They'll just be a defeat. That's what I really had problem. 239 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: So it's not just Zelensky, but it's the European leaders 240 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: who are definitely detached from reality. 241 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 3: So you confirm what I was thinking in the back 242 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: of my mind. In spite of yeah, they continue to 243 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 3: encourage a man who's delusional, which suggests they too are 244 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: delusional with regard to the perception of the war. 245 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: Either they're delusional or they're just unconcerned about the cost 246 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: on the Ukraine side, And as long as they can 247 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: get people to hit Russia and cause them pain on 248 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: the way out, they're okay with it, which then you 249 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: get into these just flat immorality of it, and I 250 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: fear were as much in there as we are delusion. 251 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: Or maybe we're missing a little piece here, because of 252 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: course we've issued tons and tons of sanctions on Russia. 253 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: We're trying to prevent them from selling their oil in 254 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: the open market, we're trying to impact their economy. Maybe 255 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: these quick hits and strikes on you know, energy production 256 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: facilities and oil facilities that may not mean a whit 257 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: militarily speaking, is having a greater impact on Russia's economy, 258 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: thus achieving a broader objective. 259 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: If there was some evidence to that, then that would 260 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: be a legitimate because that is a legitimate concept, but 261 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 2: only in so far as it actually works. And when 262 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: you have seen nineteen rounds of if sanctions not have 263 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: any effect whatsoever on the front line, and you can 264 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: draw a logical line that number twenty, which they're working 265 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 2: on right now, and we're talking about literally just yesterday. 266 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: If nineteen field maybe twenty will work, it's absurd. And 267 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: then what you can't do with what these sanctions are 268 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: is draw a line to how that's going to impact 269 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: Russia that would in any way affect the political decision 270 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: making in Moscow. As a matter of fact, all it's 271 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: doing is doubling down the certainty within Russia and within 272 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 2: the political realm that there's. 273 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: No talking here. All we need to do is completely win. 274 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: So it's having literally the opposite effect, and you can 275 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 2: observe it. So now we seem to return back again 276 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: to the delusional thing. 277 00:13:58,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: We want this to work. 278 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: I just going to pretend that it will, even though 279 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: evidence screams that it won't. 280 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: So we have some really big problems in the West. 281 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: Straight talk from you, man, We can always count on that. 282 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: So I love having you on the show. Daniel Davis 283 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: Deep Dive. 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