Speaker 1: Night, Billy Cunningham, the great Americans will welcome this Wednesday
Speaker 1: afteroon in the tri State. A little bit mild and
Speaker 1: we have a lot of rain later on. Plus we
Speaker 1: scheduled twelve thirty five today Joe Deaters will be here
Speaker 1: in the studio with Mark Petemeyer to talk about the
Speaker 1: dismissal of charges against Elwood Jones and how unjust that is.
Speaker 1: But that's down the road. Jonan, you and I now,
Speaker 1: of course, as Senator John Eustad, he is the junior
Speaker 1: Senator from the state of Ohio, and he'll be in
Speaker 1: the chamber tonight. Maybe he'll be somewhere listening to the
Speaker 1: President's State of the State of the Economy address at
Speaker 1: nine o'clock out of the Oval Office. And John Eustaed, Senator,
Speaker 1: welcome again to the Bill Cunningham showing first of all,
Speaker 1: tonight the President is going to address the nation from
Speaker 1: the I think from the Oval Office about nine o'clock
Speaker 1: when we carry it live. What would you like the
Speaker 1: President to say about the state of things the economy, Venezuela,
Speaker 1: the cost of living, medicaid, fraud, immigration, et cetera.
Speaker 2: What do you want the President to say tonight?
Speaker 3: Well, I want him to lay it all out. As
Speaker 3: you mentioned, there's let's talk about where it was when
Speaker 3: he took over. The inflation rate under Joe Biden was
Speaker 3: epically high, the highest in the twenty first century. That
Speaker 3: we've lowered it, and that we've were doing three things
Speaker 3: to help people. We're helping them earn more. We're helping
Speaker 3: them keep more of what they earn, working class tax
Speaker 3: family or working family tax cut. And then we're helping
Speaker 3: to lower prices. What have we done more jobs, more
Speaker 3: private sector jobs, and higher earning. That's good. Tax cuts
Speaker 3: for the middle class, no tax on tips, no tax
Speaker 3: on overtime, no tax on social Security benefits, on for
Speaker 3: new for certain individuals, and child tax credits to help them,
Speaker 3: help those, help those families, the ones with little ones,
Speaker 3: help twenty two hundred dollars per family per child, help
Speaker 3: them pay for childcare, other things like that. So we
Speaker 3: help people keep more of what they earn. And then lastly,
Speaker 3: what we've done to attack the administrative state and the
Speaker 3: Green New Deal, lower gas prices. We're doing a lot
Speaker 3: on that front. You know, food like eggs and things
Speaker 3: like that they've dropped, but that we have more work
Speaker 3: to do, particularly in areas like healthcare where Obamacare is failing,
Speaker 3: us opportunities to do more with regulatory reforms. So that
Speaker 3: makes it easier for people to build things like roads
Speaker 3: and bridges and buildings and things like that without all
Speaker 3: of the the additional cost of regulation. So I think
Speaker 3: there's you want them to lay that out. I also
Speaker 3: want them to you know, I hope if he talks
Speaker 3: about Venezuela, he talks about the fact that these were
Speaker 3: well planned, well executed strikes. They're legal, and we're taking
Speaker 3: out narco terraces and they can't even find narco terrorist
Speaker 3: who are willing to drive the boats anymore. They haven't
Speaker 3: had to blow anybody up down there for over four weeks.
Speaker 3: Because these people will not stop. They will stop poisoning
Speaker 3: American citizens. More people have died of overdoses and they
Speaker 3: in the Vietnam War. We should treat those narker terroists
Speaker 3: like the enemies that they are of the American people.
Speaker 1: Centator John Newstead, the average American female, and I think
Speaker 1: there's two genders. I'm not sure there's one hundred and five,
Speaker 1: but women have babies and men do not, I think.
Speaker 1: But right now we're producing about one point six million,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, one point six babies per couple, which is
Speaker 1: a failing population. Donald Trump wants something called the Trump account,
Speaker 1: in which one of a child is a baby is
Speaker 1: born if they live in a Republican area and the
Speaker 1: baby makes it out of the womb alive. If the
Speaker 1: baby is born, the baby has one thousand dollars deposited
Speaker 1: in their account, and then the money grows I think
Speaker 1: through the stock market over the next twenty years.
Speaker 2: Can you explain what the Trump account is.
Speaker 1: My producer Tony Bender's thinking about having more babies because
Speaker 1: he's going to get a thousand dollars and the baby's account.
Speaker 1: Explain to Tony Bender, whose wife is very fertile, that
Speaker 1: what happens when you have a baby today because of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for helping to support the population, Tony,
Speaker 3: and you and your wife. So this is the thing.
Speaker 3: You'll get a thousand dollars and deposited into the account,
Speaker 3: and with what Michael Dell's promised, every low income child's
Speaker 3: going to get two hundred and fifty dollars more. And
Speaker 3: then you can continue to save for that to pay
Speaker 3: for their education and whatever you want to do. It's
Speaker 3: really helping. I thought it was a good idea in
Speaker 3: the beginning, But what I really love about the Idea
Speaker 3: Bill is that it's going to teach a whole generation
Speaker 3: of children about saving and what happens when you save,
Speaker 3: and how interest your cruse and how you know, just
Speaker 3: really helping not only to provide a tangible benefit through
Speaker 3: these Trump accounts, which we hope more people will contribute to,
Speaker 3: and by the way, I hope employers will say to
Speaker 3: their new employee, to their employees, and we're going to
Speaker 3: contribute everywhere additional into these accounts. So I hope that
Speaker 3: really takes off, that we start to think ahead, we
Speaker 3: start to save, we start to plan, we start to
Speaker 3: do all those things. And I want you to just
Speaker 3: one last thought. If you took a newborn and you
Speaker 3: put a thousand dollar dollars a year in their account
Speaker 3: until they're eighteen years old, and you put no more
Speaker 3: into it by the time they retired when they were
Speaker 3: sixty seven, and it earned an interest rate of seven percent,
Speaker 3: it would be it would be worth over a million dollars.
Speaker 3: So these are the things that we're teaching young people
Speaker 3: through these Trump accounts. It's a tangible benefit, but it's
Speaker 3: also I think helps change our culture to think more
Speaker 3: about long term planning and savings.
Speaker 2: That's such a good idea.
Speaker 1: This morning, I'm trying to watch MS now, which I
Speaker 1: do so you don't have to. They spent about thirty
Speaker 1: seconds on the Trump accounts, which is a great idea.
Speaker 2: It's going to be implemented. That's wonderful.
Speaker 1: And then they went back, of course, as Susie Wiles
Speaker 1: and the stupidity she had and giving an interview to
Speaker 1: the Vanity Fair. They went back to sliming Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later CDLs. I have friends in
Speaker 1: the trucking business and the number of accidents. We have
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of illegals, many from trucking companies in
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe that don't understand that the English can't read
Speaker 1: a sign, and they're driving eighty thousand pound monsters around
Speaker 1: this super slabs. What can you do about the CDL
Speaker 1: crisis the truck and Bozo would love me to bring
Speaker 1: this up.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this on his behalf.
Speaker 1: What do you do about the illegals driving trucks handing
Speaker 1: down CDLs by New York and California.
Speaker 2: What about that?
Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's the fraudulent. I'm going to be on
Speaker 3: some legislation to try to address this, saying that one
Speaker 3: you have to have had a driver's license for one
Speaker 3: year before you even apply for a CDL, and that
Speaker 3: the test can only be given in English. That way because,
Speaker 3: by the way, if you're supposed to read road signs,
Speaker 3: those are in English. If you don't understand English, you
Speaker 3: can't read the road signs. Just things like this that
Speaker 3: can help to make sure that we are keeping our
Speaker 3: roads safe and if we get and by the way,
Speaker 3: people who are doing this illegally, not only keep not
Speaker 3: only it's not safe for our roads and everybody who's
Speaker 3: on them, but it's undermining the wages of other truckers,
Speaker 3: the truckers who are doing it the right way, the
Speaker 3: American citizens, the people who have legitimate CDLs. You're under
Speaker 3: mining their wages and their opportunity to work. We've got
Speaker 3: to crack down on this.
Speaker 1: I speak to my friends at Fox News head on
Speaker 1: Maya Cook the other day, and Minneapolis is the headquarters
Speaker 1: of a Somali clan that's looted the treasury for billions
Speaker 1: of dollars with false claims because of autism, food stamps,
Speaker 1: section eight, all that kind of stuff. And she pointed
Speaker 1: out that in Columbus, Ohio, it's the second largest Somali
Speaker 1: clan in Columbus. And she made the point that in Columbus,
Speaker 1: in Ohio, there's looting of the American taxpayer out of
Speaker 1: these so called welfare programs. And so I would ask,
Speaker 1: first of all, what percentage of these welfare programs are
Speaker 1: paid by the state, what percentage by the federal government?
Speaker 1: And if true, why isn't Mike DeWine addressed it.
Speaker 3: Well, I see no evidence of her allegations of anything
Speaker 3: like that in Ohio. It's certainly true in Minneapolis. And
Speaker 3: you said, Kim Walls up there wouldn't do anything about it.
Speaker 3: And I've known about this. The community up in Minneapolis
Speaker 3: threatened to accuse them of racism.
Speaker 2: So what did they do.
Speaker 3: They just backed down and went away and didn't stop
Speaker 3: the fraud, and the and the kids that were supposed
Speaker 3: to get the meals didn't get them, and the and
Speaker 3: the criminals took the money and maybe even funded some
Speaker 3: terrorists organizations that were king into those details.
Speaker 2: But look, but.
Speaker 3: Look every program bill that the federal government runs and
Speaker 3: the rules were set up under Joe Biden. They're getting
Speaker 3: ripped off. For example, these these tax credits for enhanced
Speaker 3: premiums for healthcare. This is what happens. There's zero dollar premiums.
Speaker 3: So what's happening is that unscrupulous insurance brokers signed people
Speaker 3: up to them okay, and and then the money goes
Speaker 3: directly to the insurance company. You as an individual, may
Speaker 3: never know you were signed up because you don't have
Speaker 3: to pay any any bill, any any time. The GAO
Speaker 3: has established that at least twenty billion dollars has been
Speaker 3: stolen out of that program. And we ask the Democrats
Speaker 3: simply to say, okay, make every petty pay at least
Speaker 3: five dollars so we know there's a real person and
Speaker 3: we don't get ripped off. And I had a bill
Speaker 3: to do that bill and the Democrats blocked it. They
Speaker 3: blocked it and they don't want us to get it
Speaker 3: solving these fraud problems. And it's you know, I'm all
Speaker 3: for providing services to people are in need. We have
Speaker 3: the Christmas spirit.
Speaker 2: We're a compassionate nation.
Speaker 3: We want people in need to have them, but we
Speaker 3: don't as taxpayers want to be ripped off by people
Speaker 3: who build these programs in a way that this fleecing
Speaker 3: the American taxpayer. And every time you try to put
Speaker 3: something in place like this, the Democrats want to block it.
Speaker 3: And I think in Ohio we do a better job
Speaker 3: at it than most states, but the federal rules. This
Speaker 3: is one of the disincentives that occurs if it's completely
Speaker 3: paid for by the federal government. The states have no
Speaker 3: incentive for policing it because it costs them more money
Speaker 3: to police it, So they don't spend as much time
Speaker 3: policing it because they don't pay the consequence. And it's
Speaker 3: something that's very frustrating. I'm trying to change it every
Speaker 3: chance I get.
Speaker 1: Sometime today or tomorrow or maybe next week. There's a
Speaker 1: discharge petition in the House, signed by all the Democrats
Speaker 1: and four Republicans to extend the Obamacare subsidies for three
Speaker 1: more years. So keep the fraud, keep funding insurance companies,
Speaker 1: and not healthcare for the next three years. And I
Speaker 1: would assume that'll go nowhere in the Senate. Am I correct?
Speaker 1: And what's your position on Yeah, we've already we've already.
Speaker 3: Had to vote in the Senate and it was defeated
Speaker 3: in the Senate. There's only there's only there's one important
Speaker 3: condition that because look, I'm empathetic to the pastors, to
Speaker 3: small business owners, the farmers, the people like that who
Speaker 3: are trapped. They only have one choice under Obamacare. It's
Speaker 3: one program. You have to sign up for it if
Speaker 3: you want insurance, and it costs too much. It's broken.
Speaker 3: We need to fix it. And I'm willing to support
Speaker 3: subsidies for another couple of years as long as we
Speaker 3: eliminate the fraud, as long as we put income caps
Speaker 3: on it so we're not subsidizing the insurance of millionaires,
Speaker 3: and in the long run, take the money away from
Speaker 3: the insurance companies and send it to the individuals so
Speaker 3: that they can go shop and have more control over
Speaker 3: their own destiny. These are simple reforms that we've asked for,
Speaker 3: the ask from the Democrats in return for supporting the
Speaker 3: enhanced premiums, and they won't do it, and so we're
Speaker 3: to standstill. Although I hope, I hope that we can
Speaker 3: fix this because it's not that individual. It's not the farmer,
Speaker 3: the pastor the small business person's fault that their government
Speaker 3: gave them a crappy healthcare program. It's our responsibility to
Speaker 3: fix it. But the Democrats don't seem to want to
Speaker 3: go along with us and eliminating the fraud and the
Speaker 3: waste that's in the system, because you can't in good
Speaker 3: conscience vote for something that you know has been ripped
Speaker 3: off to the two to twenty billion dollars.
Speaker 1: I know in Obamacare, about five percent of American people
Speaker 1: get their head health care, which they don't get through Obamacare,
Speaker 1: and there's about five or six million people that's completely
Speaker 1: fraudulent and they don't exist, but they continue to actually
Speaker 1: pay the money. And those who do get into the
Speaker 1: system understand that they pay large premiums. The deductibilities are
Speaker 1: five to ten thousand dollars each. In other words, even
Speaker 1: if you have medical care or medical claims, often the
Speaker 1: insurance company will fight you in order not to pay
Speaker 1: your claim. It's completely broken. So when you walk around
Speaker 1: the halls of power they're in Washington. John used that
Speaker 1: you're kind of a normal guy from Ohio, and you
Speaker 1: walk around, you run into Chuck Schumer, you might run
Speaker 1: another Democrats like senat raccoons. Do you have private conversations
Speaker 1: about what the hell are you guys doing Why can't
Speaker 1: we have five dollars to determine if it's a real
Speaker 1: person or a bot getting the money? What do they
Speaker 1: tell you, whisper in your ear? Well, the insurance companies
Speaker 1: pay us a lot of money. By the way, the
Speaker 1: insurance companies are the ones who penned Obamacare, and that's
Speaker 1: how the Democrats collect the money.
Speaker 2: Did they actually tell you John Used that you're new here.
Speaker 2: We're just playing a game to make sure we get
Speaker 2: to like them.
Speaker 3: I tell you, well, I can. I can tell you
Speaker 3: this that there are some like Chuck Schumer who would
Speaker 3: rather see the system fail so he can blame Republicans
Speaker 3: than be part of solving the problem. There are others.
Speaker 3: There's a handful of Democrats who recognize that it's a
Speaker 3: real problem and want to join us to fix it,
Speaker 3: but they have a hard time getting around their leader.
Speaker 3: They're there, Chuck Schumer does not want to actually solve
Speaker 3: this problem. He doesn't want to solve the fraud. Then
Speaker 3: you have the really far leftiest that that that just
Speaker 3: believe that should be socialism and socialized medicine, and they
Speaker 3: they have no interest in looking at putting market forces
Speaker 3: in here to try to solve some of the fraud front.
Speaker 3: So he kind of got the three kind of got
Speaker 3: the three groups. You have the radical left that wants
Speaker 3: nothing to do with it. You have the political left
Speaker 3: that just wants the political issue to run campaigns on.
Speaker 3: And then you have then you have some of them
Speaker 3: who are genuinely concerned and want to do it, but
Speaker 3: they don't have enough stick inside their uh their conference
Speaker 3: to actually get things done. But I'm gonna we'll keep,
Speaker 3: We'll keep trying. You can't get what try to give up,
Speaker 3: you just keep. You can't give up. You got to
Speaker 3: try to keep fighting for the people that you represent.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you what's going to happen in five
Speaker 1: or ten years, I would love to hear it. There's
Speaker 1: about five trillion dollars spend in healthcare directly or indirectly,
Speaker 1: which is about twenty two percent the whole American economy.
Speaker 1: The American people, because of the premiums and the deductibilities,
Speaker 1: are going to get so urinated off that they're going
Speaker 1: to say throw their hands up and say, government, you
Speaker 1: do it. We're going to have Medicare for all in
Speaker 1: five or ten years. It will be like the DMV
Speaker 1: or like the fraud we have president in Obamacare, and
Speaker 1: then we then we're going to lose the essence of
Speaker 1: freedom in this country.
Speaker 2: That's what I fear is going to happen.
Speaker 1: And part of that strategy is to make it so
Speaker 1: difficult and so hard to sign up and make it
Speaker 1: Tony Bender types will throw up their hands say, all right,
Speaker 1: I've had it.
Speaker 2: Government.
Speaker 1: You do a great job with the DMV, you run healthcare.
Speaker 1: Now we're now we got problems.
Speaker 3: Here's the issue. Right now, every American has access to
Speaker 3: health care, but they don't have health insurance. Okay, in
Speaker 3: Britain they have access to health insurance, but they don't
Speaker 3: have access to health care. Why the government pays for
Speaker 3: your insurance, but you can't get in to see a
Speaker 3: doctor because they operate their healthcare system on scarcity and
Speaker 3: so if you really get sick, you have to wait
Speaker 3: six months or a year to actually go see a
Speaker 3: doctor to get treated. And the American system does not
Speaker 3: need to look like the European system. It needs to
Speaker 3: look like an American system where we have market forces
Speaker 3: where we because what's happened is the more government gets
Speaker 3: involved in healthcare, the more the prices go up. The
Speaker 3: more the prices go up, the less choice consumers have.
Speaker 3: We need to empower consumers. That's why I like the
Speaker 3: ideas of not sending the money to the insurance companies,
Speaker 3: of sending it to the individual so that they can
Speaker 3: have more choice on where they go access to their health care.
Speaker 2: Are you ready for the big question?
Speaker 3: Always running?
Speaker 2: You're running?
Speaker 4: Mate.
Speaker 1: Mike DeWine has not endorsed for Veke Ramaswami, and he
Speaker 1: says nice things about doctor Amy act and the Democratic
Speaker 1: nominee whenever, whenever he can, do you, as US Senator,
Speaker 1: endorsed now for Veke Ramaswami.
Speaker 3: Yes, we held Vivike and I held a news conference
Speaker 3: where we jointly endorsed each other and we're going to
Speaker 3: be on the same ticket at the same time, and
Speaker 3: we're going to bring home a victory for the Republican
Speaker 3: team in Ohio.
Speaker 2: Will you talked to Mike about that?
Speaker 3: I am am confident that Governor Dwine will ultimately endorse
Speaker 3: for Ake Ramaswami. He knows good and well that Amy
Speaker 3: Actin is not up to being governor of the state.
Speaker 2: God help us all if she wins.
Speaker 1: All right, let's well, let's continue with mar Senator drog
Speaker 1: you staid, thank you very much and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: And thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. We'll
Speaker 1: be listening and watching tonight at nine o'clock for the President.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Great to be with you. God bless America.
Speaker 1: Let's continue with more coming up next after the news
Speaker 1: will be Joe Deaters and Mark pete My are laying
Speaker 1: out the case against Elwood Jones and White injustice was
Speaker 1: done to the victim. Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred
Speaker 1: ww Bye Billy Cunningham The Great American Studio With me
Speaker 1: now is Joe Eaters, former Hamny County Prosecutor also on
Speaker 1: the High Supreme Court. Now and Mark Petemar, who spent
Speaker 1: how many years prosecuting criminals?
Speaker 2: Are Mark? Did you spend forty.
Speaker 4: Four year for six months when I was activated for
Speaker 4: Desert Storm? So you know it's where the bodies are buried?
Speaker 4: Forty four years by Joe. First of all, you want
Speaker 4: to make a statement, Well, I just want to make sure.
Speaker 6: That your listeners know that I am on the Supreme
Speaker 6: Court and this has got nothing to do with the
Speaker 6: Supreme Court. I voluntarily recused myself from anything to do with.
Speaker 5: The Jones case, and.
Speaker 6: I felt compelled to write this letter Bill that you
Speaker 6: have now, and I think it's on your website too,
Speaker 6: laying out my concerns with MS. Pillage's press conference clearing
Speaker 6: Elwood Jones of the murder of rote of Nathan, and
Speaker 6: I appreciate the opportunity to come in here and talk
Speaker 6: to you about it. I brought Mark with me. Mark
Speaker 6: was the trial attorney in this case. I don't know
Speaker 6: that many people know Mark's reputation, and I wish he
Speaker 6: wasn't here to listen to this, but it's stellar. He
Speaker 6: was the lead prosecutor in all the Lucasville riot cases.
Speaker 6: He was in that office forty years about maybe the
Speaker 6: best prosecutor in the state of Ohio. And Mark was
Speaker 6: the trial attorney. And I send to be here with
Speaker 6: us just in case you had questions about the facts
Speaker 6: of this thing.
Speaker 1: Mark Pete Meyer did Eldwood Jones murder wrote a Nathan.
Speaker 2: Yes, tell me why? Well? A lot of evidence. In fact,
Speaker 2: I was speaking to Joe before.
Speaker 4: You know, we've tried some tough cases where you really
Speaker 4: rely on eyewitnesses only, and those are the kind of
Speaker 4: the tough cases and people criticize this because it was
Speaker 4: only quote only a circumstantial evidence case, And to me,
Speaker 4: circumstantial evidence is unrefuted facts, and these are the unrefuted facts.
Speaker 4: Elwood Jones was working on the second floor of the
Speaker 4: Embassy Suites hotel in the afternoon of I think it
Speaker 4: was a Friday afternoon setting up a banquet room when
Speaker 4: a couple arrived to go into the room next door
Speaker 4: to where he was working. That was Joe Kaplan and
Speaker 4: Elaine Schube. Elwood could have easily seen them go into
Speaker 4: that room, and our theory, as he did see them,
Speaker 4: knew that it was a couple staying in that room.
Speaker 4: Later that night, after Elwood got off of work, wrote
Speaker 4: to Nathan, our victim showed up. Elwoodt did not realize
Speaker 4: now that there are three people in the room. The
Speaker 4: next morning, the couple that first arrived went down to
Speaker 4: breakfast and wrote to Nathan is in the room. She's
Speaker 4: going to take a shower. And Elwood is also working
Speaker 4: in the room right next door.
Speaker 2: That day.
Speaker 4: It's a banquet room with the door open. And Elwood
Speaker 4: is a thief. He's a career thief. And our belief
Speaker 4: is is that he saw an opportunity, went in the
Speaker 4: room because he thought it was open and confronts Rode
Speaker 4: to Nathan. Roda Nathan is savagely beaten. She died of
Speaker 4: blunt force trauma. There was very little blood at the
Speaker 4: scene because it was just beaten to death. About a
Speaker 4: half hour later, the couple comes back from breakfast, open
Speaker 4: the door and they find Rotea Nathan laying on the floor.
Speaker 2: All she had on her was a bath towe.
Speaker 4: They think, oh my god, she must have had a
Speaker 4: heart attack, and they call paramatics and they come and
Speaker 4: they're treating her, trying to revive her from what they
Speaker 4: believed was a heart attack. Two other things were noticed
Speaker 4: by the couple at the time. There was a distinctive
Speaker 4: handweight made necklace that Rhoda always wore around her neck
Speaker 4: and it was missing. Also, Elaine Schub noticed there were
Speaker 4: hundreds of dollars of cash that she had in her
Speaker 4: purse that was taken. One other thing is this is
Speaker 4: a you know, thirty years ago or so, and back
Speaker 4: then they didn't have the electronic key cards. You needed
Speaker 4: a key to get in the door, and the door
Speaker 4: latched automatically. But Joe Kaplan was sure when he left
Speaker 4: the room. He did what most people do, checked to
Speaker 4: made sure it was securely locked because they didn't want
Speaker 4: it open with Rooda in they're taking a shower. When
Speaker 4: Rhoda gets to the hospital, she dies. They take her
Speaker 4: to the coroner's office and lo and behold, they find
Speaker 4: that she died from blunt for's trauma. A couple other
Speaker 4: things about her body. There was a couple of distinctive
Speaker 4: bruises that were developed on her body. One was very
Speaker 4: consistent with a walkie talkie, which some of the workers
Speaker 4: in the hotel were issued. Elwood Jones was one of those.
Speaker 4: There was also a door chain a latch, which is
Speaker 4: kind of an unusual mark to have on a body.
Speaker 4: She also had that on her body, and it told
Speaker 4: us that whoever did this three things we know for sure.
Speaker 4: The person had to have a master key. The person
Speaker 4: also had to have a walkie talkie, and the person
Speaker 4: also had to have one of these door latches. We
Speaker 4: also know that the person that did this took Rhoda's necklace.
Speaker 4: When Elwood Jones arrived at work that morning, everybody noticed
Speaker 4: he was fine. A couple hours later, people noticed that
Speaker 4: his left hand was bandaged, and people said Elwood, what
Speaker 4: happened to your hand? And one person he said, we oh,
Speaker 4: I's taking some trash out and I fell and I
Speaker 4: cut it, And somebody else asked him, he goes, well,
Speaker 4: when I was up on the second floor taking down
Speaker 4: that banquet room, a piece of the floor and fell
Speaker 4: on my hand and he cut it.
Speaker 2: So some inconsistent things.
Speaker 4: Immediately, when Blue Ass started investigating, they realized one very
Speaker 4: important thing. Whoever did this had to be in the
Speaker 4: hotel that morning and had to have a master key,
Speaker 4: and that limited the suspect pool from hundreds of people
Speaker 4: in the hotel to about four people. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying this, I feel like I've given an opening
Speaker 4: statement again. But these are the facts, and this is
Speaker 4: what we presented to the jury. About four or five
Speaker 4: days later, Elwood's hand got very infected and he's thinking,
Speaker 4: I'd better do something about this, and he goes to
Speaker 4: some clinic and there's a doctor, John McDonough, who told
Speaker 4: at UC med School, and he was one of the
Speaker 4: best hand surgeons in the country. And one day a
Speaker 4: month he would volunteer to go to this clinic and
Speaker 4: treat people basically for free. It's almost like God said,
Speaker 4: I want you there that day because I want someone
Speaker 4: to see what Elwood has. And Elwood comes in and
Speaker 4: his left hand has severely sworn. It's Elwood, what what
Speaker 4: happened to your hand? And he gives them a couple
Speaker 4: other stories, and the doctor knows that anytime you've got
Speaker 4: a cut in one of your knuckles, chances are you
Speaker 4: pop somebody in the mouth. He also knows that inside
Speaker 4: the human gum line there's a bacteria Aikinella crodins. I
Speaker 4: don't know science very well. Hell, I want to Roger
Speaker 4: Bacon I Joe couldn't get in, but he had to
Speaker 4: settle for saying it's just sad, you know, but we
Speaker 4: have standards like you. Anyway, he knew that if I
Speaker 4: don't treat this hand for Kinella crones or tests for it,
Speaker 4: he's going to lose his hand. So even though Elwood
Speaker 4: said I cut it on something, he tested for this
Speaker 4: bacteria that's in the gumb line. Lo and behold, it's
Speaker 4: Aiconella crodins. In fact, he was so sure of this
Speaker 4: he took a picture of Elwood's hand to teach to
Speaker 4: his medical students and said, if anybody ever comes in
Speaker 4: with a hand swollen like this, you've got to test
Speaker 4: for that bacteria because if you don't, they're probably gonna
Speaker 4: lose their hands. So when this came out, everybody started
Speaker 4: focusing on Elwood Blueesh police got a search warrant for
Speaker 4: his car, for his home, for his trunk of his car.
Speaker 4: A couple things they found. Number one, they found alwaukie
Speaker 4: talkie that actually Joe and I went to Washington, d C.
Speaker 4: And had the FBI lab look at it and they
Speaker 4: were able to match it. Again, it's a walkie talkie.
Speaker 4: There were more than one in that hotel, but it
Speaker 4: matched all the rivets and everything matched exactly the mark
Speaker 4: on Rood of Nathan's check chess. Also in his toolbox
Speaker 4: there was one of these door latches and that also
Speaker 4: matched the toolmark, the impression of that door lock on
Speaker 4: him on her chest, which is again that's a lot
Speaker 4: more unusual than mil walkie talkie. But the absolute thing
Speaker 4: that clinched it all was that pendant of Rooda Nathan.
Speaker 4: There was a picture of taking of Rooda Nathan wearing
Speaker 4: that and it matched exactly that pendant found in the
Speaker 4: trunk of Elwood Jones's car. I think that's a pretty
Speaker 4: darn good case.
Speaker 1: Rhoda is almost reaching back from the grave, saying the
Speaker 1: evidence of my killing is in possession of the murderer,
Speaker 1: and that man was Edward Jones, and Roota had that
Speaker 1: virus in her mouth. That was so that's how the
Speaker 1: infection occurred.
Speaker 3: Joe.
Speaker 1: When I read and you looked at the news conference
Speaker 1: of our new prosecutor, Connie Pillage, she uses words like
Speaker 1: cheat it in quotes that you and Mark cheated. She
Speaker 1: also used terms that you withheld evidence well. In other words,
Speaker 1: she's accusing you two of making sure that an innocent
Speaker 1: man is convicted and the guilt guy gets all free. Whoever,
Speaker 1: this mystery man is with oj Simpson in a sand trap.
Speaker 1: So how do you respond to this allegation of Connie Pillach,
Speaker 1: who's never tried a criminal case in her life, that
Speaker 1: you cheated.
Speaker 6: I'm, frankly, I'm dumbfounded by the allegation. She's further stated
Speaker 6: she's cleared him because of modern medical scientific evidence. I
Speaker 6: don't know what she's talking about. If she is talking
Speaker 6: about hepatitis B. The defense's own witness, in his request
Speaker 6: for a new trial, said there was about a thirty
Speaker 6: three percent chance of him getting that by punching her
Speaker 6: in the mouth.
Speaker 2: So it's not how can you exclude.
Speaker 6: Somebody when there's a seventy or sixty seven percent chance
Speaker 6: that that could still be true.
Speaker 2: But the allegation, Look, I said this in the letter.
Speaker 6: I hope the people that are listening to this could
Speaker 6: a chance to read the letter. It's not that it's
Speaker 6: on our website, it's on your website.
Speaker 5: It's just so offensive.
Speaker 6: If she wants to let this guy go, maybe she says, oh,
Speaker 6: you know what, thirty years is enough, the litigation is
Speaker 6: enough in mercy for whatever reason, decides to let him go.
Speaker 6: I got no problem with that. She's the prosecutor. She
Speaker 6: can do whatever she wants. What I take umbrage to
Speaker 6: is accusing the prosecutor's office of what I mean, seriously,
Speaker 6: she's accusing people of a crime here hiding evidence. I mean,
Speaker 6: that's that is outrageous to make that allegation. There's no
Speaker 6: proof of it. And even that, look, we had the trial,
Speaker 6: it went through all the judges in state court affirmed, affirmed, affirmed,
Speaker 6: Then they go to federal court. And when they went
Speaker 6: to federal court, they asked for all these documents from
Speaker 6: Blue Ash Police. We're basically questionnaires given to everybody stated
Speaker 6: the hotel. The vast majority was we didn't see anything.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 6: That's the thousands of pages of evidence that was hidden,
Speaker 6: and then police runs to the hotel. The Federal Court
Speaker 6: of Appeals, the judge oft at the trial level said
Speaker 6: that the material was in fact immaterial and it would
Speaker 6: not have affected the outcome of this trial. Then it
Speaker 6: went all the way to the six Circuit Court of Appeals,
Speaker 6: Federal Court Appeals on the same issues, exact same issues,
Speaker 6: and they unanimously affirmed that too. So this has been
Speaker 6: litigated before, and to claim now that we've hid evidence
Speaker 6: or that.
Speaker 5: You can exclude this guy.
Speaker 2: Is total bull crap.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: Also, she said the modern scientific when she said that, I,
Speaker 1: you know, I think about DNA.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought. There's no DNA.
Speaker 1: She was talking about a hepatitis B that one third
Speaker 1: of the time is communicated two thirds of time.
Speaker 2: Note also, Mark Petemeyer, you were.
Speaker 1: In charge of providing to the defense in this case
Speaker 1: all available evidence. You've been accused of playing a game
Speaker 1: of Lucy Hyde the football, and that you had these
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of pages of inculpatory or exculpatory evidence
Speaker 1: that you refuse. You knew what was in there, and
Speaker 1: you didn't want to give it to the defense because
Speaker 1: it proved that Ellwood was innocent. That's the allegation of
Speaker 1: Connie Pillage. You're the guy in charge of giving the papers.
Speaker 1: What do you say about that one?
Speaker 2: That's just not true.
Speaker 4: And Bill, you've tried a lot of cases to including
Speaker 4: murder cases, and the rules of discovery back then is
Speaker 4: the basically everything you had you gave to the defense.
Speaker 4: One thing they were not entitled to were witnesses statements.
Speaker 4: Now since then the law has been changed. But as
Speaker 4: you know, if I called Joe Dieters as a witness
Speaker 4: and he's made a prior statement before you cross examine him,
Speaker 4: you can ask the judge to review his prior statement,
Speaker 4: and the judge will do that and if there's anything
Speaker 4: in there in conceit, he said, hey, here, Bill, you
Speaker 4: can cross examined leaders on this because he said some
Speaker 4: things different that happened during the trial a couple times.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing that was not given up. But
Speaker 4: again they had access to it during the trial. All
Speaker 4: this other stuff, these questionnaires at blue ass sent out
Speaker 4: that meant nothing. As far as I know, we never
Speaker 4: got and we certainly never got afterwards. We never subpoenaed
Speaker 4: the records of all the crimes that ever took place
Speaker 4: in that hotel. I remember they had some prostitution ring
Speaker 4: if you going on back there years ago, that a
Speaker 4: lot of people were prosecuted for that, they had some
Speaker 4: undercover cops in there. Those are the kind of records
Speaker 4: they also subpoened. So the vast, vast majority of this
Speaker 4: stuff we never had. But the federal judge got all this,
Speaker 4: all this stuff that they said proved he was innocent
Speaker 4: and that we withheld. Again, we didn't even have it.
Speaker 4: The judges looked at it and says, there's nothing here.
Speaker 4: This is absolutely nothing that exculpitates Elwood Jones.
Speaker 2: And that's why it's already been ruled on.
Speaker 4: That's that's why when a common police judge basically overruled
Speaker 4: the federal judge and the Federal six Circuit Court of Appeals,
Speaker 4: it's like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: What Judge Cross never been on the bench before. She's
Speaker 1: a brand new judge from the Public Defender's Office, and
Speaker 1: she held a four day hearing on emotion for a
Speaker 1: new trial, essentially the appetitis B issue, and not giving
Speaker 1: over the document she used to explain, what's the motivation,
Speaker 1: Joe Eaters, what's the motivation?
Speaker 5: I have no idea why you would do this.
Speaker 6: I mean, she's parroting the talking points of the defense attorneys,
Speaker 6: which is a good thing sometimes, well for you maybe,
Speaker 6: But she's supposed to be representing the state of Ohio.
Speaker 6: And you know, and I know this is kind of
Speaker 6: personal in nature, but I was the prosecutor and I
Speaker 6: litigated this case for twenty five years, and she clearly
Speaker 6: talked to the defense attorneys. She was in a press
Speaker 6: commerce she said, oh why send them a screenshot of
Speaker 6: my emotions to dismiss the whole case, you know, almost gleefully.
Speaker 6: And she never called me one time. I'd met her.
Speaker 6: One time, I said, if you need anything, feel free
Speaker 6: to call me. Be happy to talk to you about
Speaker 6: the office. But so she talks to the I don't
Speaker 6: know who she talked to besides these defense attorneys that
Speaker 6: she said she talked to. But anyone who thinks that
Speaker 6: Ellwood's been excluded, Uh, I'm trying to be judicious about this.
Speaker 6: It's either dead wrong, or they're lying. You know, they
Speaker 6: just don't understand what this what exclusion means, it's gonna turn.
Speaker 6: It means he can't possibly be the guy.
Speaker 2: That's what Connie Pillage said.
Speaker 1: This cannot be the guy, Mark Petemer based upon the
Speaker 1: layout of the case.
Speaker 2: This can and.
Speaker 1: In fact, there's somebody out there who committed this other
Speaker 1: than El would now talk about his record.
Speaker 2: Many you didn't talk about it.
Speaker 1: He was in his early forties when he committed these crimes.
Speaker 1: And you know, I watched the Curtis Fuller interview at
Speaker 1: Channel five and almost seemed like a he was a
Speaker 1: boy scout leader. When we come back, I want you
Speaker 1: to talk about the previous record of Eldwood Jones. Well,
Speaker 1: misbehavior is consistent, which includes, by the way, assault on
Speaker 1: a police officer. Well, talk about that on the other side.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the letter is on our Twitter account.
Speaker 1: Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham with Mark Pete Meyer
Speaker 1: and Joe Eaters on News Radio seven hundred WLW. Now
Speaker 1: let's continue. Now we have in the studio Joe Meeters
Speaker 1: and also Mark Pete Meyer. Left it kind of hanging
Speaker 1: because many times this is such a vicious beating some
Speaker 1: of wrote his teeth was found in our stomach.
Speaker 4: Correct, there was one on the floor of the hotel
Speaker 4: room and one was found in her stomach.
Speaker 1: Yes, Now, what was the previous criminal record of Elwood Jones.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting because when they did the podcast,
Speaker 4: the inquiry reported to the original podcast, she says, well, well,
Speaker 4: would't you're not a saint or he goes, no, no,
Speaker 4: I gotta admit I'm I'm a thief. I'm a thief,
Speaker 4: and it was They laughed about that, like it's okay.
Speaker 4: But he was more than a thief. He was arrested
Speaker 4: five or six times for assault, you know, physically beating someone,
Speaker 4: once for domestic violence, which would have been beating his wife,
Speaker 4: once for assault on a police officer. But he was
Speaker 4: also arrested four times, four different times for aggravated burglar,
Speaker 4: which is breaking into someone's residence to steal something. After
Speaker 4: I guess the first couple. He actually was convicted on
Speaker 4: one of those and went to prison, apparently convinced the
Speaker 4: par board that hey, I've been scared straight, I learned
Speaker 4: my lesson.
Speaker 2: You're not going to see me again.
Speaker 4: They cut him loose early and with a short amount
Speaker 4: of time, he was arrested and convicted of another burglary
Speaker 4: and went down to prison. So Elwood Jones was a
Speaker 4: career criminal. And what better place for a guy like
Speaker 4: him to work at a nice hotel with a master key.
Speaker 2: It's like a kid in a candy store.
Speaker 1: One of the other allegations of County pillage was that
Speaker 1: there was someone else who would confessed to the murder
Speaker 1: of with Jones. Can you ferret out the facts in
Speaker 1: that matter?
Speaker 4: Yes, this was first came to light, I think from
Speaker 4: one of his attorneys twenty years after the murder happened.
Speaker 4: But they had a lady who said back around that
Speaker 4: shortly after this happened, she was locked up in the
Speaker 4: justice center and her cell mate was a lady I
Speaker 4: think her name was Linda Reid. And they get to
Speaker 4: be talking, kicking a little bit, and Linda Reid tells this, lady,
Speaker 4: I have to tell you something. You know that person
Speaker 4: that's been arrested on that embassy suite's case. Yes, yes, well,
Speaker 4: my husband the one is really did it, and the
Speaker 4: blue ass police framed that guy for it. But my
Speaker 4: husband is really the one that This is important stuff
Speaker 4: right now, Yeah, this is big. Well, somebody confessed to it.
Speaker 2: So Mark Petmer's your ears looked like a rabbit.
Speaker 4: Well this is you know, it is twenty years later.
Speaker 4: But still, who is this guy? I mean, I never
Speaker 4: remember number one, he didn't work for Blue ass Police.
Speaker 4: Number two, there's no association with him in the hotel.
Speaker 4: And then we find out at the time this lady
Speaker 4: is locked up and she's telling her cell mate that
Speaker 4: she's going through a divorce with her husband. So I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 4: that's kind of red flag number one. But I only
Speaker 4: under say, you know what, I'm gonna go over and
Speaker 4: pull the domestic relations court case and see, maybe this
Speaker 4: guy is a violent guy and he's constantly beating the
Speaker 4: crap out of her, and maybe it's something like that.
Speaker 4: When I pull the file, I see it's Ken Peller,
Speaker 4: guardian for Ken Peller's a local attorney, guardian for Linda
Speaker 4: Reid versus mister Reid. And I'm thinking, why does she
Speaker 4: have a guardian? I mean, why is she not participating
Speaker 4: in the divorce? So I look further and actually contacted
Speaker 4: Ken Peller. He says she was incompetent, she was mentally
Speaker 4: incompetent to participate.
Speaker 2: That that's the hook upon which Connie Pillage hangar of
Speaker 2: this well.
Speaker 4: First of one, it's double hearsay because the guy that
Speaker 4: really did it is dead. His wife is really dead,
Speaker 4: So the person that did it telling his wife is
Speaker 4: hearsay it, and his wife telling this other lady is
Speaker 4: double hearsay. So number one, it's legally admissible, inadmissible. But
Speaker 4: this lady that said it was found crazy by the
Speaker 4: court so much that she couldn't even participate in her
Speaker 4: own divorce.
Speaker 2: No way in the world. That is evidence. But that
Speaker 2: is the third prong.
Speaker 4: Again, Number one is the evidence that we withheld that
Speaker 4: the court said no. Number two is the hepatitis Whi's
Speaker 4: only a third of the people. In fact, the study
Speaker 4: that guy referred to us people that use needles of
Speaker 4: other people, and you're very likely probably to get it there,
Speaker 4: but a third of those people get it, only a third.
Speaker 4: So anyway, those are the three prongs based on that
Speaker 4: he's cleared.
Speaker 2: He's ex Yeah.
Speaker 1: Someone else confessed Joe talk about hepatitis, be because you
Speaker 1: told me off there. There was some reference in the
Speaker 1: optops optops the well.
Speaker 6: The defense initially said we hid the fact that she
Speaker 6: had hepatitis.
Speaker 2: Did you do that.
Speaker 6: Well, it was in the autopsy report that they got.
Speaker 6: It was in black and white. Yes, it was intops,
Speaker 6: she said. And I don't have to tell them what
Speaker 6: defense to pursue. They can do whatever they want. You know,
Speaker 6: it's not my job. But they received information she had appetitis.
Speaker 6: You know the reason I wanted to come here, Bills.
Speaker 6: I was so offended by that press conference.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was.
Speaker 6: Factually and fundamentally incorrect, and it was so offensive to
Speaker 6: accuse my office of hiding evidence to convict an innocent man,
Speaker 6: is it. I don't know that she realizes the magnitude
Speaker 6: of that statement. I mean, if people actually did that,
Speaker 6: they should be in jail. That it's just beyond defensive
Speaker 6: to me. And she I think she owes the prosecutors
Speaker 6: an apology for this, But you know she's obviously talking
Speaker 6: to defense attorneys and that's who she talks to. So
Speaker 6: I guess that's the message you get out of this
Speaker 6: whole case.
Speaker 1: And Mark Pete Myer. As far as Elwood Jones himself,
Speaker 1: I watched an interview on Channel five. They did have
Speaker 1: a Curtis fall Or positioning himself as a guy who's
Speaker 1: made a few mistakes in the past, like beating up
Speaker 1: your wife and hitting cops and serving time in prison
Speaker 1: for burglaries twice twice.
Speaker 2: And now he's seen the light.
Speaker 1: And when she uses the term cheated, that you cheated
Speaker 1: in this case, how does that.
Speaker 2: Strike your heart? It really offends me.
Speaker 4: And again I was asked by Connie Pillets to stick
Speaker 4: around and help with the transition for the office, which
Speaker 4: I agreed to do.
Speaker 2: And I, you know, she's the other party.
Speaker 4: I supported Missy Powers, and I thought, you know, people
Speaker 4: are going to come in and take over the senior
Speaker 4: positions that really have never done this stuff. In fact,
Speaker 4: within the first month, I think we had two different
Speaker 4: police shootings and I always.
Speaker 2: Went on both of those, on all of those.
Speaker 4: So I took the new people out to show you
Speaker 4: how we get involved in these police shootings, what we
Speaker 4: do when we don't do, how we make decisions. So,
Speaker 4: you know, I did my best to help with the transition,
Speaker 4: you know, just so because I cared about the office.
Speaker 4: I cared about the county forty four years, yes, and
Speaker 4: for them to imply that and Seth Tiger was the
Speaker 4: other person that tried the case.
Speaker 1: I saw much younger Mark Petemyer and a much younger
Speaker 1: Seth Tiger standing up in nineteen ninety Yes, yes, ninety
Speaker 1: five or six was the trial, and now.
Speaker 4: We're bent over with Walkers, so it's not the same game.
Speaker 4: But again that's I just I was stunned. I mean,
Speaker 4: I just where did this come from?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Another aspect of the case is I can sense things
Speaker 1: are often about money, and the county prosecutor is in
Speaker 1: charge of representing judges and prosecutors because the county prosecutor
Speaker 1: has civil responsibilities, thinking as a civil attorney, which I
Speaker 1: think neither maybe you two or none, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're on the Supreme Court and you're retired more or less.
Speaker 1: What does it do when the county prosecutor, representing the
Speaker 1: judges and the prosecutors and the sheriff, et cetera, come
Speaker 1: in open forums and say, you know what, we cheat
Speaker 1: it not we but you guys cheated you withheld evidence
Speaker 1: and there's new stuff that isn't new stuff. What does
Speaker 1: that do for the liability of Hamilman County. To me,
Speaker 1: you're saying we are liable. You know, there's two things
Speaker 1: in a civil suit. A is are you liable for it?
Speaker 1: And b is how much money do you get? And
Speaker 1: she is the has a civil division that represents the
Speaker 1: county against lawsuits, and she's basically saying, we didn't accidentally,
Speaker 1: we may have intentionally sent an innocent man to death row.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's if it's when Ella's going to
Speaker 1: file this huge civil suit against the county, and if
Speaker 1: i'm them, witness number one is County Pillage. Hey, you
Speaker 1: said he's exonerated and the office cheated.
Speaker 2: I might.
Speaker 6: I sent this letter to the Attorney General's office today
Speaker 6: also because if he makes his ridiculous claim, though at
Speaker 6: least no where to go to talk to about the
Speaker 6: facts of the case. I just want to make it
Speaker 6: very clear to your listener's Bill Milevis doesn't cheat. To
Speaker 6: make that statement is highly offensive. Elwood Jones is a murderer.
Speaker 6: We had the right guy, absolutely positively sure, and she
Speaker 6: let him go.
Speaker 2: Now why she let him go, I.
Speaker 6: Have no idea, But her reasons that she stayed in
Speaker 6: her press conference are ridiculous and they're so easily proved
Speaker 6: as false.
Speaker 1: I can't believe she said it. At this point, where
Speaker 1: do we go from here? Ellwood?
Speaker 6: Right now, Elwood is a freeman and there's absolutely nothing
Speaker 6: that can be done about it. But I just hope
Speaker 6: that some truth comes out of that office. You know,
Speaker 6: when they make decisions like this of this magnitude. This
Speaker 6: is a thirty year old death penalty case, and everyone
Speaker 6: forgets about Rhoda Nathan, Everyone forgets about the victim's family,
Speaker 6: and they're this suffering. I talked to her son a
Speaker 6: couple of times over the weekend, and his hurt is
Speaker 6: like it happened yesterday's.
Speaker 1: Connie said he was disappointed. Yeah, she said, he's furious.
Speaker 6: And as a matter of fact, we gave I think
Speaker 6: you have his statement bill that he made. He's stunned,
Speaker 6: he's sick to his stomach. It went beyond disappointment.
Speaker 1: Mark Pete Maher as far as it's inexplicable how this
Speaker 1: diamond special brooch just happened to show up in the
Speaker 1: toolbox of Elwood Jones. And there's no answer other than
Speaker 1: somebody planeted it, you know, the O. J. Simpson defense.
Speaker 1: Somebody somebody killed the other. The two gloves and the
Speaker 1: blood and the car. Someone did it, And so can
Speaker 1: you state for the record, I feel silly asking this
Speaker 1: question whether you plant it the diamond brooch and the
Speaker 1: toolbox along with the pass key and the chain link?
Speaker 2: Did you plant?
Speaker 1: Did Blue exh police plan it to make sure an
Speaker 1: innocent man was convicted and a guilty man sent free.
Speaker 1: Can you admit whether or not you did that or not?
Speaker 2: I want a lawyer, You want a lawyer. Yeah, take
Speaker 2: the bill.
Speaker 6: If if they're gonna frame Elwood, why don't just get
Speaker 6: somebody wrote his blood and throw it around his car
Speaker 6: or throw it on his clothes.
Speaker 4: The other thing, one of the first officers interviewed him
Speaker 4: and he wasn't in custody yet and he talked to him.
Speaker 4: They could have said, you know, he told me I
Speaker 4: didn't mean to kill her. I didn't think anybody be
Speaker 4: I mean, they could make up a statement. The important
Speaker 4: thing is, too, is when as soon as that other
Speaker 4: couple got back to the room, they noticed her necklace
Speaker 4: was gone. So it's not like it was laying on
Speaker 4: the floor and an officer could have picked it up.
Speaker 4: And plus, why would you you're thinking this is a
Speaker 4: piece of evidence, You're gonna put it into evidence. You're
Speaker 4: gonna put it in a little baggy, You're gonna print it.
Speaker 4: You're gonna do that. So theoretically one of the officers
Speaker 4: got that, held it till the right time, and then
Speaker 4: somehow put it in his toolbox.
Speaker 2: It's just physically, I don't know how you could do it.
Speaker 1: So, in a sense, indirectly or directly, Hamnica Prosecutor's office
Speaker 1: is accusing a dead blue ash police officer of planning
Speaker 1: evidence in a capital case.
Speaker 2: Yes, Joe, how does well, It's that's absurd.
Speaker 6: It's one of men the offensive statements made by this
Speaker 6: office that I would hope people ask the hard questions,
Speaker 6: how can you exclude this guy? How can you make
Speaker 6: these statements that people hit stuff? I mean, it's just false.
Speaker 6: It's it is blatantly false. And that's one thing. And
Speaker 6: I said before, if she wants to let the guy go,
Speaker 6: that's her. I mean she's a prosecutor, have mercy. You know,
Speaker 6: he's been in there thirty years, whatever, go ahead, let
Speaker 6: him go. But to then use just falsehoods for the
Speaker 6: reason that evidence was hidden and that new medical scientific
Speaker 6: evidence has excluded him, that's just false. And someone else confessed,
Speaker 6: I mean, she's making false statements, I mean, just to
Speaker 6: her constituents about this case and impugning the reputation of
Speaker 6: really good prosecutors that devoted their lives to public service.
Speaker 6: And she, you know, she's casually offensive comment and it's horrible.
Speaker 1: Do you have a concern in the future. There's other
Speaker 1: noted cases that you two guys handled, and you're two
Speaker 1: of one of one hundred and fifty prosecutors in Hamlin
Speaker 1: County when you two guys are there, Well, she listens.
Speaker 6: To defense attorneys and not talk to the prosecutors. She's
Speaker 6: gonna come the same conclusion on a bunch of cases.
Speaker 6: There's noted cases, Wogenstall, Tracy Hunter, just line them up.
Speaker 6: Let's come up with something here. Anthony Killer, Anthony Kirkland.
Speaker 6: After all the defense council said, you know, is he
Speaker 6: is he executed yet?
Speaker 4: No, but he's there's that SMI defense cerial mental illness
Speaker 4: that they found a doctor to say he has that,
Speaker 4: and if he does, the judge can take him off
Speaker 4: death row.
Speaker 1: But not on off debt. L would not off death row.
Speaker 1: He got to know our bond and it's walking around
Speaker 1: Hamilton County right now. Well, he's he doesn't even have
Speaker 1: to know our bond anymore. He's three with prejudice, which
Speaker 1: means it's over it could ever be refined. Are you
Speaker 1: concerned this will be repeated? As part of your motivation
Speaker 1: coming here today is to say, Okay, this is Elwood Jones.
Speaker 1: He got thirty years, which is better than nothing. But
Speaker 1: worry about the next case, in the next case, in
Speaker 1: the next case. Have you concerned this this will be repeated?
Speaker 5: I hope it's not, but.
Speaker 6: You know, unfortunately I'll have to speak out on it
Speaker 6: again if it does, and I will, especially if she
Speaker 6: uses the reason, oh, we hid evidence or you know,
Speaker 6: something that's totally false scientifically.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just false.
Speaker 5: I don't know how else to say it.
Speaker 1: And as far as the dead police officer in blue ash,
Speaker 1: his name's been out there, I hesitate to repeat it.
Speaker 1: She's indirectly accusing him or someone like him, of committing
Speaker 1: serious felonies while wearing the uniform of a police officer.
Speaker 1: He's and by all counts, was a great police officer.
Speaker 1: And you know Marx has said this before. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got kids, he's got a wife, and to hear
Speaker 1: your dead father talked about like this, and if nothing else,
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody has to stand up for a road
Speaker 1: to Nathan.
Speaker 6: I mean, she came to this hotel for bar Mitzvah
Speaker 6: from New Jersey. Yeah, and.
Speaker 5: Was brutally murdered.
Speaker 6: The evidence is overwhelming on Elwood Jones, and it just
Speaker 6: seems like her name gets lost in the shuffle here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, came here for a Jewish shavenna about Smithsmah and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden she has her teeth punched down
Speaker 1: into her stomach. Can you imagine the violence of that attack?
Speaker 1: Sixty seven year old woman with Elwood had no chance,
Speaker 1: but she fought like a warrior poet and she lost.
Speaker 1: And she lost her money out of her purse. She
Speaker 1: lost her life, She lost her diamond brooch, almost as
Speaker 1: if she said, the killer has my diamond brooch.
Speaker 6: She lost her life, But think about what her family
Speaker 6: lost because by all accounts, and I talked to her again.
Speaker 6: I talked to her son Val over the weekend twice.
Speaker 6: She was just a lovely woman. Just she kept their
Speaker 6: family together and the loss they feel almost hourly.
Speaker 5: And someone needs to speak for her.
Speaker 6: And I just wish there is more sensitivity to victims
Speaker 6: in that office.
Speaker 2: Mark Pete, Maher, thank you anything that you want to
Speaker 2: add I haven't.
Speaker 1: I've asked you a few questions here sir, are you okay,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, you're okay.
Speaker 2: I'll say the hell out of my wife, Carol. She's listening.
Speaker 4: How many years, fifty years in May you're going to
Speaker 4: keep you or not? We went to the Roger Bacon
Speaker 4: prown together. So, oh my gosh, back in a good
Speaker 4: old day, back in a good old days. Yes, I'm
Speaker 4: not sure there was so Joe, you okay.
Speaker 6: The last thing my wife says said, don't say hi
Speaker 6: to me, So I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1: Well nine stands for news. That's all I know. Well, guys,
Speaker 1: good luck. And by the way, you think it's over,
Speaker 1: I think it's just it's over. It's for Elwood is over.
Speaker 2: It's over for Elk. You come forward and confess now.
Speaker 4: And there's legally nothing you can do about it, because
Speaker 4: she dismissed it with prejudice.
Speaker 1: So Ellwood could say, you know, I found the lord,
Speaker 1: beat up cops, beat up my wife, burglarized bunch of places,
Speaker 1: went to prison a few times, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, I'm sorry I did, murder wrote,
Speaker 1: I'm very sorry I did, and I beat her to
Speaker 1: death and I shouldn't have done it, but I suspect
Speaker 1: that will not occur. But if it did, he's still
Speaker 1: a free man. Joe, thank you. You worry about the future,
Speaker 1: don't you do? This is one case I do. All right, Mark,
Speaker 1: thank you, sir, thank you. Let's continue with more news
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Speaker 2: Did Joe Deeters put the cheese on the cracker several slices? Yes?
Speaker 1: And as I said, I've had Connie Pilach on before, right,
Speaker 1: yes you have if she wants to come on and
Speaker 1: refute this.
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Speaker 16: Now, going back to the Bearcats, Gisel James has returned
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Speaker 16: I have no idea. I guess bad, happy or something.
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Speaker 2: And isn't Arch Manning going to the draft? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think no.
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Speaker 16: probably plenty. I'll tell you what if what's his name
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Speaker 16: Smith violated his contract by engaging in serious professional misconduct
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Speaker 2: This is sure own more situation.
Speaker 5: I don't know that.
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Speaker 9: Uh.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell me, Tony? Well, he probably he
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Speaker 16: But hopefully it all works.
Speaker 1: You see segment how much money should someone receive if,
Speaker 1: in fact they were wrongfully prosecuted and sent to death
Speaker 1: row for thirty years and the other side's lawyer, that's
Speaker 1: Countye Pillage, Yeah, admits that it was an intentional act
Speaker 1: and that compensation therefore must be paid. How much would
Speaker 1: the taxpayers of Amileton County pay for this one zillions
Speaker 1: for thirty years, thirty years, thirty years. When you're hot,
Speaker 1: you're hot. You've got to see what And they got
Speaker 1: to pay out eight and a half million of those protesters,
Speaker 1: right that broke the law.
Speaker 2: Gotta pay him, but they they they put the lawsuit
Speaker 2: in there and they won. Gotta pay him. Segment unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Andy Mack and.
Speaker 1: Uh Alfonse go Hartstein and Louis Serkin is going to
Speaker 1: make a fortune because she says, among other things, Connie
Speaker 1: Pillage that the prosecutor's office cheated, and that means Joe
Speaker 1: Eaters and and of course Mark Pete Mayer cheated. So
Speaker 1: the lawyer for the other side, which the taxpayer, just
Speaker 1: admit it. We're gonna pay Ellwood a bunch of money.
Speaker 2: That's for sure.
Speaker 1: That they withheld quote thousands of pages of withheld information, your.
Speaker 2: Comments, your two guests for you two guests earlier laid
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 1: That'll never happen again. When a Supreme Court justice reaches
Speaker 1: down to the local level and puts the cheese on
Speaker 1: the cracker, takes off the robe and takes back to
Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office with Mark Petemeyer and others.
Speaker 2: Maybe I had to go down there and uh, you know, mutiny.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen, but all of my
Speaker 1: comments myself have I said, once again, normally there's two
Speaker 1: or three sides to ever story correct, right, So if
Speaker 1: Ledwood Jones, or Alfonska Hartstein, or Louis Serkin or Counnie
Speaker 1: Pillage or Sharon Coolidge, anybody once come on and talk
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 2: Am I respectful of my guest, Do I let them
Speaker 2: get their words out? Yeah? Absolutely, because I don't have
Speaker 2: all the answers.
Speaker 1: Just when you think you know all the answers, Sei, man,
Speaker 1: someone changes the questions, that's for sure. So you know,
Speaker 1: I would like to have the county prosecutor come on
Speaker 1: and put some meat on the bones and let me
Speaker 1: ask her about these pieces of evidence that seemed conclusively
Speaker 1: to point in Elwood Jones, but to declare that he
Speaker 1: was wrongfully prosecuted.
Speaker 2: He's an innocent man.
Speaker 1: The guilty guy is still out there somewhere and the
Speaker 1: Joe Deaters and Mark Petemyer hit evidence and cheated. Well,
Speaker 1: if she feels that way, come into the web right here,
Speaker 1: sit sit right there, and let you and I talk,
Speaker 1: and I'll ask her the questions and I will be
Speaker 1: as respectful as always as I am. Segment, Get me
Speaker 1: out of the Studge Report, will thee an out of
Speaker 1: a beautiful day here at the tri State? And putting
Speaker 1: the cheese on the kracker, we leave you with the
Speaker 1: immortal words of the stew Report.
Speaker 14: Two and a half minutes left on the clock there
Speaker 14: and there are people who are apparently tearing.
Speaker 2: Up the stands over there.
Speaker 1: That's Matt Reese interviewing, among others, Lou Groza thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: Today it happens segment the Browns moved to Baltimore and
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Speaker 1: My Billy Cunning in the Great American I've been here
Speaker 1: a long time. I've never been with something so dramatic.
Speaker 1: When the Supreme Court sitting justice takes off his black robe,
Speaker 1: puts back on his prosecutor's hat and begins by stating,
Speaker 1: among other things, in his statement that I'm appearing. Let
Speaker 1: me read you with the opening line as you go
Speaker 1: to our Twitter x account and get the information before
Speaker 1: addressing the evidence in this case. This is a letter
Speaker 1: from Joe Dieters to County Pillage. I want to be
Speaker 1: clear about the capacity in which I write. I do
Speaker 1: both as a former prosecuting attorney of Hamlet County and
Speaker 1: the citizen of this county, and my current role is
Speaker 1: the justice on the I Supreme Court. I've exercised scrupulous
Speaker 1: caution with respect to matters originating from my former office.
Speaker 1: Consistent with this obligation, I voluntarily recused myself any participation
Speaker 1: in the Elwood Jones case.
Speaker 2: Here's on to say.
Speaker 1: I watched the full news conference in which you dismissed
Speaker 1: the entire case against Elwood Jones. During that conference, you
Speaker 1: publicly proclaim that Jones had been caught cleared of the
Speaker 1: murder of Miss Nathan, asserting that your decision was based
Speaker 1: on quote modern day medical testing unquote that excluded Elwood
Speaker 1: Jones as a suspect quote unquote, Well, it does not
Speaker 1: exclude him as a suspect. There's no DNA involved in
Speaker 1: this case. It is the ability of someone with hepatitis B,
Speaker 1: which wrote ahead wrote to Nathan, had to communicate that
Speaker 1: to Elwood Jones during the time that Elwood Jones was
Speaker 1: viciously punching sixty seven year old wrote to Nathan in
Speaker 1: the face, driving her teeth into her stomach. And according
Speaker 1: to Joe Dieters and Mark Petmeyer, the defense's own expert witness,
Speaker 1: said that the communication that transmission would happen about one
Speaker 1: third of the time, and two thirds of the time
Speaker 1: it would not be transmitted. So is that irrefutable that
Speaker 1: to Elwood Jones is in fact the murderer. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. And the current county prosecutor who's been on
Speaker 1: my show a couple times, and she's welcome to come back.
Speaker 1: I don't beraate anyone. I want to get the story out.
Speaker 1: Joe Dieters also said in this letter, you publicly impugned
Speaker 1: the integrity of former members of my office, suggesting they cheated,
Speaker 1: and falsely implied that thousands of pages of evidence had
Speaker 1: been withheld from the defense. By the way, Mark Petmer
Speaker 1: answered that you compounded these accusations by portraying your actions
Speaker 1: as a necessary corrective measure to allege past misconduct. Invoking
Speaker 1: the creation of a conditioned integrity unit is justification, He goes,
Speaker 1: want to say that these assertions by you, assertions at
Speaker 1: County Pillage are false, reckless, and profoundly damaging. They constitute
Speaker 1: a gross dis service to the people of Hamlet County
Speaker 1: and an unjustified attack on honorable, honorable public servants.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what the response should be.
Speaker 1: I didn't I believe that Connie Pillage, the elected county prosecutor,
Speaker 1: did not hang around to answer questions in the media,
Speaker 1: And with all due respect to the media, I don't
Speaker 1: think they have the intimate knowledge of the case that
Speaker 1: I think I have because of speaking to Mark and
Speaker 1: to Joe a long time about this matter, and so
Speaker 1: if there's another version of the facts that need to
Speaker 1: get out, I'm more than happy to provide a form
Speaker 1: for Connie Pillage to come on to explain it in
Speaker 1: a non adversarial way. When I have on people I
Speaker 1: disagree with, like Iris Rowley, I think she admitted and
Speaker 1: when she left her she had her say, She got
Speaker 1: her word out, and then you as a listener can
Speaker 1: decide whether it's good, bad, or and different, whether in
Speaker 1: fact you know it's something that you accept her or don't.
Speaker 1: And I've also said to Joe and others that, in
Speaker 1: a sense, what difference does it make At this point,
Speaker 1: if the election were held tomorrow Countie, Pillage likely would
Speaker 1: still win. Goes so they can because of the constituency
Speaker 1: the voters of Hamlyn County. Criticisms of the mayor, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Are somewhat interesting, but he got I think seventy eight
Speaker 1: percent of the vote, and all the crap that came
Speaker 1: out about him maybe cost him one or two percentage points.
Speaker 1: She still won easily, So at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I think Mark Pete Meyer and Joe Dieters had their say,
Speaker 1: other shoes will drop in this matter.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what they are. At the end,
Speaker 2: I said, Joe, is it over? He said, yes, it's over.
Speaker 1: Well, she dismissed it with prejudice, which means it can't
Speaker 1: be brought again, and the trial court has stamped it.
Speaker 2: It's over done.
Speaker 1: But as you know, as attorneys, we have to shall
Speaker 1: we say, comply with certain rules of ethics from Ohio
Speaker 1: Disciplinary Council. And you can't be a prosecutor if you
Speaker 1: don't have a law license. On the other hand, if
Speaker 1: someone believes on the other side of the fence that
Speaker 1: Joe or Mark Petemer, I think Mark Store was a
Speaker 1: law license. You know, you work hard to get him
Speaker 1: and it's been a lawyer about forty five years, so
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to keep it. If anything
Speaker 1: they said was false, that the other shoe could drop
Speaker 1: on the other side of the other side of the fence,
Speaker 1: everyone's got the right to freely speak, and the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court recently gave judges the ability to freely speak and
Speaker 1: be held accountable for their for their words. If it
Speaker 1: is false, then either side can come forward and file
Speaker 1: a lawsuit against the other party. Alleging defamation. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's possible. I think it'd be wasted effort. And I
Speaker 1: don't advise Connie Pillach or Sharon Cooliache or top assistant
Speaker 1: on many things.
Speaker 2: But I haven't spoken to them in the months. But
Speaker 2: if I did, I would say let it go. The
Speaker 2: decision has been made. It's over with.
Speaker 1: The case is dismissed with prejudice, means you can't be
Speaker 1: brought again, and it's files to him by common Police
Speaker 1: court judge and it's over. Elwood Jones is free to go,
Speaker 1: and he is gone. If he would come forward and
Speaker 1: admit to it all right now, nothing would come of
Speaker 1: that either because he's been dismissed with prejudice and double
Speaker 1: jeopardy has attached, so he can't be tried again for
Speaker 1: the murder. And I hope in his seventies he finds
Speaker 1: the Lord in one sense or another. In my faith Catholicism,
Speaker 1: you go to confession or reconciliation, you admit your sins.
Speaker 1: And in my case, once I got a rosary, normally
Speaker 1: I get an our Father of Hell, mayor I did
Speaker 1: some bad things and the years ago I got I
Speaker 1: got a rosary. Is my penance, and I said the Rosary,
Speaker 1: and I'm forgiven. So I hope in a sense that
Speaker 1: Elwood Jones can come to griffs with reality and the
Speaker 1: solitude of his mind, apologize, seek forgiveness, and if it's
Speaker 1: sincere and profound, it will be given to Elwood Jones.
Speaker 1: On the other side of the fence, the taxpayers at
Speaker 1: Hamilton County are going to pay out millions and millions
Speaker 1: and millions of more dollars because of the wrongful prosecution
Speaker 1: of Elwood Jones, according to the current county prosecutor who's
Speaker 1: the attorney for the Common Police Court judges. So that
Speaker 1: means sometime probably after the first of the year, there's
Speaker 1: going to be a decision made by maybe Alfonska Hartstein
Speaker 1: or Bill Gallagher or other civil attorneys who's going to
Speaker 1: sue Hamilton County. In other words, you for tens of
Speaker 1: millions of dollars because the lawyer for the county has
Speaker 1: admitted that the county is liable for civil damages. She
Speaker 1: said he was wrongfully convicted and implied there was a
Speaker 1: there was an intentional motive by Mark Pete Meyer and
Speaker 1: Joe Dieters and doing this. In other words, say the
Speaker 1: theory is that they found an innocent man unconnected to
Speaker 1: the murder, and they conjured up evidence that somebody planted
Speaker 1: to make it easy to convict an innocent man with
Speaker 1: the consequence that the guilty person who did this would
Speaker 1: be set free, would not be discovered. And so when
Speaker 1: you have the lawyer for the county who's going to
Speaker 1: write the check, admit the fundamentals of the lawsuit to come,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a big check. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a big number. Maybe not Bengal number, but how
Speaker 1: do you financially compensate someone who spent thirty years on
Speaker 1: death row? Is it fifty thousand bucks a year? Is
Speaker 1: it one hundred thousand bucks a year? That'd be three
Speaker 1: or four million plus the lawyers have to be paid.
Speaker 1: So Ellwood Jones would come a multimillionaire and you're going
Speaker 1: to pay it goes The lawyer for the county just
Speaker 1: admitted liability, which is something you want to try to avoid.
Speaker 1: So do either parties have possible lawsuits against the other personally?
Speaker 1: I guess it's possible Elwood Jones could possibly sue Joe
Speaker 1: and Marca. That wouldn't go anywhere. Joe and Marca. The
Speaker 1: family of the Blue Ash cop who was indirectly charged
Speaker 1: with planning evidence in a murder case, won't mention his name.
Speaker 1: Could sue, but at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: would urge all parties to stand back. Each party had
Speaker 1: their say. County Pillich, whether you like it or not,
Speaker 1: is going to be the county prosecutor for the next
Speaker 1: three years. And if she runs for reelection, which is likely,
Speaker 1: Joe went another term. Joe Dieter says the six year
Speaker 1: smile on his face. That is he was just elected
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. He's been a friend of mine
Speaker 1: most of my life. I was the MC of the
Speaker 1: swearing in ceremonies for the Supreme Court of Ohio. I
Speaker 1: was proud to do that. Spend my buddy a long time.
Speaker 1: We vacations together, talking to the phone probably ten times
Speaker 1: a week. He's my personal friend and I've urged him. Also,
Speaker 1: you've had your say. Connie Pilach had her say. Elwood
Speaker 1: Jones is now in his seventies and is free. I
Speaker 1: know it's hard to do what It's time to move on.
Speaker 1: Wait for the next shoe to drop, which is the
Speaker 1: lawsuit Elwood will have against Hamilton County for wrongfully prosecuting him.
Speaker 1: And then you're going to write a check as a taxpayer,
Speaker 1: a big check to Elwood Jones. It will pass it on,
Speaker 1: can't spend all the money he's going to have, and
Speaker 1: he'll pass it on to his family in some form.
Speaker 2: Can parties like this.
Speaker 1: Each have fundamentally different opinions on a criminal case. I
Speaker 1: think one side is supported by the facts, the other
Speaker 1: side didn't. That's my personal opinion. That are they capable
Speaker 1: of moving on and saying, Okay, that's it we.
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 1: Connie Pillage has a thousand criminal cases. In fact, if
Speaker 1: I counseled her, which I don't, or Sharon Cooliache, the
Speaker 1: great inquiry reporter working with her, I would have said, look,
Speaker 1: if you got to do this. Because the judge in
Speaker 1: this case, Wendy Cross, is a newbie judge, a liberal
Speaker 1: public defender type. She essentially ordered a new trial. She
Speaker 1: didn't order a neutril not essentially she ordered a new
Speaker 1: trial of Elwood Johnes something all the other twenty five
Speaker 1: or thirty judges that looked at the same evidence said no.
Speaker 1: But if she's the one with the right answer, and
Speaker 1: people that know Wendy Cross. The judge tell me she's
Speaker 1: a good judge, and they tell me she's a nice lady.
Speaker 1: It never met her, likely never will, but she's a judge.
Speaker 1: She can look at it say okay, this guy needs
Speaker 1: a new trial. At that point, Connie Pillage should have said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I got a thousand cases to prosecute.
Speaker 1: The county commissioners want to cut my budget by ten
Speaker 1: p and I got so much to do. I'm going
Speaker 1: to dismiss the case and let it go. Don't talk
Speaker 1: about Joe Dieters and Mark p maher cheating. Don't talk
Speaker 1: about impugning the character of Joe Dieters and Mark Pete
Speaker 1: Meyer and everyone in that office. Don't talk about withheld evidence,
Speaker 1: and don't talk about new scientific materials which amount to nothing.
Speaker 1: Just say, look, I'm busy. I have a thousand cases.
Speaker 1: I want to spend our time on present cases in
Speaker 1: Hamlin County. This one happened in the mid nineteen nineties
Speaker 1: when I was a very young woman. I'm sure she
Speaker 1: is even a lawyer. Then I want to move on.
Speaker 2: Okay, I, like Joe said, sitting right there, if she
Speaker 2: would have done that, which is her right she's the
Speaker 2: county prosecutor, she's the chief law enforcement official in Amony County.
Speaker 2: That's the end of it.
Speaker 4: Move on.
Speaker 1: I disagree, Joe disses, Mark Petemer disagrees, Seth Tiger disagrees.
Speaker 1: But she is the right and the power to do it,
Speaker 1: and she did it.
Speaker 4: Let it go.
Speaker 2: But she didn't do that.
Speaker 1: She justified it by throwing dirt on everyone that went before,
Speaker 1: which is unseemly behavior for a prosecutor.
Speaker 2: You don't do that.
Speaker 1: So, uh, that's where we are once again. I know
Speaker 1: they're listening. And if Sharon Coolidge, who worked for years
Speaker 1: in the in the inquiry, great reporter, she's the one
Speaker 1: that broke all the stuff on Cheryl Long, the city manager,
Speaker 1: having filed bankruptcy. The headhunter couldn't find that, but Sharon
Speaker 1: Coolidge did. If they want to come on uh Thursday
Speaker 1: or Friday and have their say, they will. They will
Speaker 1: be accepted as somebody with a different viewpoint, and yes,
Speaker 1: come on and you can respond and then move It's
Speaker 1: time I think to move on. The case is over.
Speaker 1: The only thing left to right is a check and
Speaker 1: the check will be written by the county commissioners to
Speaker 1: the tune of millions and millions of dollars to compensate
Speaker 1: Edward Jones. Sometime next year of the year after a
Speaker 1: check will be written. And I hope this ends the matter.
Speaker 1: No more revenge, no more retribution, no more time spent
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth. Connie Pillach had her say,
Speaker 1: by their standards, they impuged the character and reputation of
Speaker 1: Joe Dieters and Mark Petemeyer and Seth Tiger. They had
Speaker 1: their say, it's over. Stop it except for the check writing.
Speaker 1: Will that happen? I hope, I have hope. And if
Speaker 1: Connie or Sharon Coolidge want to call me, they have
Speaker 1: my cell phone later today, please do we can talk
Speaker 1: a little bit and move on. It's time to move
Speaker 1: on and don't have retribution and revenge against anyone. There's
Speaker 1: enough present work to do to keep all parties busy,
Speaker 1: including me. But if she wants to talk, ever say,
Speaker 1: I'll say, thank you Connie, you're the county prosecutor. I
Speaker 1: wish you well in your office. Thank you see you again.
Speaker 1: That's it to twenty five Home of the Bengals News
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 14: What's your favorite moment in this Stadium, nineteen fifty Chapters
Speaker 14: of Day in our first year of the NFL.
Speaker 15: I think kick a sixteen yard field goal with about
Speaker 15: twenty seconds of play? What twenty eight twenty sef I
Speaker 15: thirty to twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, mister Grose.
Speaker 5: I appreciate.
Speaker 10: Hello. Bye, I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 3: Rock.
Speaker 2: You're just a young fella, but you don't remember Luke Grose.
Speaker 17: He's got an award named after him, Luke Rose place kicker,
Speaker 17: and he played I think off defensive tackle offensive though
Speaker 17: for the Brownies.
Speaker 2: That's when the football was football. They went both ways,
Speaker 2: are as men played y a tittle. Those are the guys. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how about this?
Speaker 1: That was thirty years ago today, the last day that
Speaker 1: the brown Stadium was opened, and I was there on
Speaker 1: the back of a flatbed truck speaking what are you
Speaker 1: doing there? I was invited by uh screaming like a maniacs.
Speaker 9: All I want to say.
Speaker 7: But the fight of that Cleveland Browns today will be
Speaker 7: in the fight of the Cincinnati Bengals tomorrow, the fight
Speaker 7: of the Chicano Bears fans next year, the fight of.
Speaker 8: The Steelers fans.
Speaker 12: You lose this battle, the NFL is gonna lose the
Speaker 12: war and a football fan.
Speaker 10: We'll go to fast the hall place.
Speaker 8: Hell what the NFL and the Browns ever lay Cleveland?
Speaker 7: Different Americans of different branches. The patrons are not in
Speaker 7: Lexington set.
Speaker 2: No to break minute.
Speaker 8: Patrons in World War Two sat heck Goods leading.
Speaker 2: They change the person.
Speaker 9: Go for said Sam, No heart brothers.
Speaker 11: A battle from the heart and soul of America. This
Speaker 11: is a battle for your mom and dads. This is
Speaker 11: a battle for your children. This is a battle from
Speaker 11: the integrity of the American.
Speaker 8: Why you like then we can love can.
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 8: You know n may have let the match? What the
Speaker 8: torches burning?
Speaker 7: The one Cineraena Ohio, it's the brown Stone saying Cleveland, Oh, hen's.
Speaker 11: Gonna break loose?
Speaker 1: Go back of a fight to put a plaque? Yes,
Speaker 1: where exactly that happened? And you're great speech up in
Speaker 1: Cleveland and at the end of the game, and you
Speaker 1: predicted the NFL is going to go nowhere?
Speaker 2: Right, how about the n f L are gonna like
Speaker 2: what if I way of the Cleveland.
Speaker 1: That had the one guy with that dog face in
Speaker 1: front of me and then they went to Baltimore. How
Speaker 1: did it work out in Baltimore. Pretty good, Cleveland, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think we got problems. Would you rather be a
Speaker 1: Browns fan or a Bengals fan?
Speaker 2: Bengals?
Speaker 1: How about I go in the center with a Buckeyes
Speaker 1: about a Raiders fan or a Bengals fan. Raiders of
Speaker 1: the Bengals, Bengals. How about the Jets or Giants or
Speaker 1: the Bengals be that's what. Be happy with what you got,
Speaker 1: know your role.
Speaker 4: And it shut your mouth and at the end, with
Speaker 4: what we're giving you, Matt, they don't ask for much more.
Speaker 1: Don't ask And lou Rosa police is interviewed and they're
Speaker 1: tearing apart municipal stadium, the seats and setting out on
Speaker 1: your field.
Speaker 2: Have bonfire started with two minutes to go in the game.
Speaker 2: So were you trying to prevent the Browns from leaving Cleveland? Yes,
Speaker 2: there was a Trevizzano and I we're going nuts.
Speaker 5: Didn't work.
Speaker 1: Browns must stay in Cleveland. How that work out?
Speaker 2: NFL is going to fail if they leave Plus Rock.
Speaker 1: The thing of it is is you look up on
Speaker 1: the TV monitor and it's a beautiful green field on
Speaker 1: TV and you look down on the actual field.
Speaker 2: I mean it looked like that that the eighth Army
Speaker 2: was coming through in World War.
Speaker 14: What is that?
Speaker 1: What's the deal? I mean you couldn't marking anything else.
Speaker 1: People are going nuts or throwing stuff out on the field.
Speaker 1: I remember the Titans.
Speaker 17: They would spray paint the ground green because of you know,
Speaker 17: by December the ground was all chewed up.
Speaker 2: My predictions were not accurate. Is that fair?
Speaker 1: It's fair to say, are you going to be here
Speaker 1: Christmas morning for the spectacular? Got your family?
Speaker 2: Yes, my kid's birthday again. But we can go early.
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: We got Tom, renahand that Scott Sloan, me, you and Eddie,
Speaker 1: the five heads of the five families.
Speaker 2: Are you ready? I'm ready Christmas morning starting about seven am.
Speaker 2: You'll be here now.
Speaker 17: Last year we did the question where one sees one
Speaker 17: segment was supposed to be what was your journey to
Speaker 17: get here to the big point?
Speaker 2: I take the entire show, just take one segment. Show
Speaker 2: exactly right. I got a good segment. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to tell you about the Christmas Day itself. Good save
Speaker 2: it for air. I want to be surprised. Two hours
Speaker 2: are great and I'm you know most of us I
Speaker 2: live close.
Speaker 1: You live out in the in the Kentucky I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can get there from here,
Speaker 1: and so do my best forty five minutes, but I'm
Speaker 1: hearing three minutes, so it's gonna be great.
Speaker 17: We're gonna deal with abortion and lethal injection and other
Speaker 17: topics that we've dealt with.
Speaker 1: The more abortion. You gotta talk about the Trump Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about the Trump Star. So give me some sports.
Speaker 1: And my predictions have not always been accurate. I'm fair
Speaker 1: to say you dis missed that one just by that much.
Speaker 2: HENNFL is gonna amount to nothing.
Speaker 1: And Cleveland, the Browns are staying in Cleveland, Art model
Speaker 1: and kiss my ass?
Speaker 2: How'd that work out? Double Super Bowls?
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Speaker 2: What will ye?
Speaker 16: Those Miami RedHawks rolled to eleven and oh last night
Speaker 16: as they beat Wright State, Alabama State, and the Cincinnati
Speaker 16: Bearcats tonight at six thirty and Jizzle.
Speaker 2: Jane listen up his back Jizzl is busy.
Speaker 1: Gisela is back. He's been added to the roster by
Speaker 1: a head coach Wes Miller.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's back. He's a young man. Let's move
Speaker 1: on and keep telling people move on, but they don't
Speaker 1: listen to the great American.
Speaker 5: Let they move on.
Speaker 2: Led the Cats last year with twelve.
Speaker 17: The past, I don't I don't have repigation, clearly focused
Speaker 17: on the future, in.
Speaker 2: The future, and I don't make any predictions. They played.
Speaker 2: They played Clemson this weekend. Is that crreck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cleveland, Brown's play No the Bank Bearcats For Sunday,
Speaker 1: Xavier opens Big East play Tonight up against Creighton at
Speaker 1: Sentas Senna and at six pm at fifty five k
Speaker 1: r C Horizon League play Oakland and n k U
Speaker 1: six point thirty on Fox Sports thirteen to sixty.
Speaker 2: Let's see Bengals update. The Tua is out, Quinn Ewers is.
Speaker 1: In as the new starter for the Miami Dolphins Sunday again, beloved,
Speaker 1: what about Tua?
Speaker 6: Rock?
Speaker 2: What about Tua? It's hard for.
Speaker 17: Him because he's undersized. It'significantly on your side. Eleven or
Speaker 17: the Bengals got The Bengals gonna have to tee it up.
Speaker 1: College football Ohio UIs Ohio US fired head coach Brian
Speaker 1: Smith for cause today, saying Smith violated his contract by
Speaker 1: engaging in serious professional misconduct and participating in activities that
Speaker 1: reflect unfavorably on the university aka sex.
Speaker 2: Not only to predict something, it's either sex or money,
Speaker 2: generly sex.
Speaker 16: Bobcats won eight and four in his first season as coach,
Speaker 16: defense bacte penetration. Defensive coordinator John Houser will be named
Speaker 16: interim coach. The ou Bobcats will take on U N
Speaker 16: l V in the Frisco Bowl.
Speaker 2: You doing that one? Noting that we got six or five?
Speaker 2: December twenty third. What about if Jimmy Burrow is still
Speaker 2: the decordinator in Ohio? He might take over and rule
Speaker 2: with an iron grip. You go, He's not there? Is
Speaker 2: that the brother? He says?
Speaker 5: His dad?
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, his father is still He was? No,
Speaker 2: he was, he was.
Speaker 17: He could go back to Ohio for years, many years
Speaker 17: I covered the head coach. Possibly, he's probably having a
Speaker 17: pretty good time now just watching his son.
Speaker 1: Zach Zach Schuler right now, looks like his contracts through
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seventy seven. Now, why would the Bengals after
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game was that in twenty two that
Speaker 1: they lost, they reupted into another five years, right, Why
Speaker 1: wouldn't they announce that?
Speaker 2: Would anybody have a problem with it? The Bengals, They
Speaker 2: don't do things like that, But why not?
Speaker 17: Is there not some value in seeing what the best
Speaker 17: companies do and doing that at least a little bit?
Speaker 2: No nothing, making no sense.
Speaker 1: Keep quiet, don't take care of your customers, don't shovel
Speaker 1: the seats, Just dust off the snow to the guy
Speaker 1: in front of you. Sit there on a home city
Speaker 1: ice and just sit there and freeze your testicles and
Speaker 1: know your role and shut your mouth and don't complain
Speaker 1: because next year things you're gonna be any of the
Speaker 1: same thing.
Speaker 17: You can think about it, but don't do it. That's
Speaker 17: why Joe Burrow last week was so sullen. It wasn't
Speaker 17: the current situation. It wasn't like, Okay, we're probably not
Speaker 17: gonna make the playoffs. It was knowing looking ahead, knowing
Speaker 17: it's not going to get better. That's when you lose
Speaker 17: all hope. When you know things you're not going to
Speaker 17: get better, hope. That's What he realized is what Bengals
Speaker 17: fans are.
Speaker 2: No, no hope. Do you have hope? Do you have hope?
Speaker 2: I always have hope. Say do you have hope? Yes?
Speaker 2: Who's gonna next win a championship?
Speaker 1: Here we go every day, every day, the Reds World Series.
Speaker 1: Won't you ask yourself this and then we'll and then
Speaker 1: we'll respond. You see Bearcats win a national basketball title
Speaker 1: or third or Bengals win a super Bowl? Come on,
Speaker 1: putch one. FC wins the MLS. That's down in there too,
Speaker 1: f C.
Speaker 3: You f C.
Speaker 1: Name with the Reds because got the playoffs. All they
Speaker 1: had to do was beat l A in l A
Speaker 1: two or three games. That's all they had to do.
Speaker 1: Or some high school team wins a state check football
Speaker 1: championship around here.
Speaker 17: Way so, by the way, So the Reds couldn't afford Schwarmer, right,
Speaker 17: but they had a significant amount of money they're gonna give?
Speaker 17: Are they gonna then take that same amount of money
Speaker 17: and divvy it out the other free agents that are
Speaker 17: not Kyle Schwarmer.
Speaker 1: A lot of the players are arbitration eligible. They got
Speaker 1: to save the twenty mil from Martinez.
Speaker 17: We're talking a bunch of nonsense. Are they gonna spend
Speaker 17: money and get good players?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 2: Thank you? What's on the show? I don't know? Do
Speaker 2: you have hope? You winning a national basketball title? Is
Speaker 2: that good? My name's West. Don't get me in this mess.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Rock, we gotta run, Rock.
Speaker 10: What do you?
Speaker 2: You know what you have today? Or yeah we do.
Speaker 2: We got Grace Tucker from the Inquirer right out of
Speaker 2: the gate.
Speaker 4: We got Trags at four o'clock talking about the Bengals
Speaker 4: in the current situation, and much much more.
Speaker 2: Sake, give me out of sous You're core, will you?
Speaker 16: And honor of a nice day here at a tri
Speaker 16: State What's next? We leave you with the immortal words
Speaker 16: of the Stood Report.
Speaker 2: I've got some wise words for that Cincinnati mayor.
Speaker 12: Ain't no joke?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is that one? Operation Repo one of the greatest shows
Speaker 2: ever on television. It's Tete Pregnant. No, you predicted that
Speaker 2: a while back and it did not come true. She
Speaker 2: has to get married, is what I say. She has
Speaker 2: her own private island. By the way, you see this,
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