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Speaker 1: Night, Billy Cunningham, the great Americans will welcome this Wednesday

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Speaker 1: President's State of the State of the Economy address at

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Speaker 1: nine o'clock out of the Oval Office. And John Eustaed, Senator,

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Speaker 1: welcome again to the Bill Cunningham showing first of all,

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Speaker 1: tonight the President is going to address the nation from

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Speaker 1: when we carry it live. What would you like the

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Speaker 2: What do you want the President to say tonight?

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Speaker 3: Well, I want him to lay it all out. As

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Speaker 3: he took over. The inflation rate under Joe Biden was

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Speaker 1: Centator John Newstead, the average American female, and I think

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Speaker 1: Explain to Tony Bender, whose wife is very fertile, that

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for helping to support the population, Tony,

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Speaker 2: That's such a good idea.

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Speaker 1: This morning, I'm trying to watch MS now, which I

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Speaker 1: And then they went back, of course, as Susie Wiles

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later CDLs. I have friends in

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Speaker 3: Here's the issue. Right now, every American has access to

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Speaker 3: Always running?

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Speaker 2: God help us all if she wins.

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Speaker 1: will be Joe Deaters and Mark pete My are laying

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Speaker 1: now is Joe Eaters, former Hamny County Prosecutor also on

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Speaker 1: Mark Pete Meyer did Eldwood Jones murder wrote a Nathan.

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Speaker 4: The person had to have a master key. The person

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00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 4: also had to have a walkie talkie, and the person

438
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 4: also had to have one of these door latches. We

439
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 4: also know that the person that did this took Rhoda's necklace.

440
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 4: When Elwood Jones arrived at work that morning, everybody noticed

441
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 4: he was fine. A couple hours later, people noticed that

442
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 4: his left hand was bandaged, and people said Elwood, what

443
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 4: happened to your hand? And one person he said, we oh,

444
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 4: I's taking some trash out and I fell and I

445
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 4: cut it, And somebody else asked him, he goes, well,

446
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 4: when I was up on the second floor taking down

447
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 4: that banquet room, a piece of the floor and fell

448
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 4: on my hand and he cut it.

449
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Speaker 2: So some inconsistent things.

450
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Speaker 4: Immediately, when Blue Ass started investigating, they realized one very

451
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Speaker 4: important thing. Whoever did this had to be in the

452
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Speaker 4: hotel that morning and had to have a master key,

453
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Speaker 4: and that limited the suspect pool from hundreds of people

454
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Speaker 4: in the hotel to about four people. You know what

455
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Speaker 4: I'm saying this, I feel like I've given an opening

456
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 4: statement again. But these are the facts, and this is

457
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Speaker 4: what we presented to the jury. About four or five

458
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Speaker 4: days later, Elwood's hand got very infected and he's thinking,

459
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Speaker 4: I'd better do something about this, and he goes to

460
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Speaker 4: some clinic and there's a doctor, John McDonough, who told

461
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Speaker 4: at UC med School, and he was one of the

462
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Speaker 4: best hand surgeons in the country. And one day a

463
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Speaker 4: month he would volunteer to go to this clinic and

464
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 4: treat people basically for free. It's almost like God said,

465
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Speaker 4: I want you there that day because I want someone

466
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Speaker 4: to see what Elwood has. And Elwood comes in and

467
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 4: his left hand has severely sworn. It's Elwood, what what

468
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 4: happened to your hand? And he gives them a couple

469
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Speaker 4: other stories, and the doctor knows that anytime you've got

470
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Speaker 4: a cut in one of your knuckles, chances are you

471
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Speaker 4: pop somebody in the mouth. He also knows that inside

472
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Speaker 4: the human gum line there's a bacteria Aikinella crodins. I

473
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Speaker 4: don't know science very well. Hell, I want to Roger

474
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Speaker 4: Bacon I Joe couldn't get in, but he had to

475
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 4: settle for saying it's just sad, you know, but we

476
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 4: have standards like you. Anyway, he knew that if I

477
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 4: don't treat this hand for Kinella crones or tests for it,

478
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Speaker 4: he's going to lose his hand. So even though Elwood

479
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 4: said I cut it on something, he tested for this

480
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 4: bacteria that's in the gumb line. Lo and behold, it's

481
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 4: Aiconella crodins. In fact, he was so sure of this

482
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Speaker 4: he took a picture of Elwood's hand to teach to

483
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Speaker 4: his medical students and said, if anybody ever comes in

484
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: with a hand swollen like this, you've got to test

485
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 4: for that bacteria because if you don't, they're probably gonna

486
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 4: lose their hands. So when this came out, everybody started

487
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: focusing on Elwood Blueesh police got a search warrant for

488
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 4: his car, for his home, for his trunk of his car.

489
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Speaker 4: A couple things they found. Number one, they found alwaukie

490
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 4: talkie that actually Joe and I went to Washington, d C.

491
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Speaker 4: And had the FBI lab look at it and they

492
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: were able to match it. Again, it's a walkie talkie.

493
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 4: There were more than one in that hotel, but it

494
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 4: matched all the rivets and everything matched exactly the mark

495
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Speaker 4: on Rood of Nathan's check chess. Also in his toolbox

496
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Speaker 4: there was one of these door latches and that also

497
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Speaker 4: matched the toolmark, the impression of that door lock on

498
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: him on her chest, which is again that's a lot

499
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 4: more unusual than mil walkie talkie. But the absolute thing

500
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Speaker 4: that clinched it all was that pendant of Rooda Nathan.

501
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 4: There was a picture of taking of Rooda Nathan wearing

502
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Speaker 4: that and it matched exactly that pendant found in the

503
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Speaker 4: trunk of Elwood Jones's car. I think that's a pretty

504
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 4: darn good case.

505
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Speaker 1: Rhoda is almost reaching back from the grave, saying the

506
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Speaker 1: evidence of my killing is in possession of the murderer,

507
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: and that man was Edward Jones, and Roota had that

508
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: virus in her mouth. That was so that's how the

509
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: infection occurred.

510
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Speaker 3: Joe.

511
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Speaker 1: When I read and you looked at the news conference

512
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Speaker 1: of our new prosecutor, Connie Pillage, she uses words like

513
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Speaker 1: cheat it in quotes that you and Mark cheated. She

514
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: also used terms that you withheld evidence well. In other words,

515
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: she's accusing you two of making sure that an innocent

516
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: man is convicted and the guilt guy gets all free. Whoever,

517
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: this mystery man is with oj Simpson in a sand trap.

518
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: So how do you respond to this allegation of Connie Pillach,

519
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: who's never tried a criminal case in her life, that

520
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: you cheated.

521
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Speaker 6: I'm, frankly, I'm dumbfounded by the allegation. She's further stated

522
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 6: she's cleared him because of modern medical scientific evidence. I

523
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 6: don't know what she's talking about. If she is talking

524
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 6: about hepatitis B. The defense's own witness, in his request

525
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 6: for a new trial, said there was about a thirty

526
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Speaker 6: three percent chance of him getting that by punching her

527
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Speaker 6: in the mouth.

528
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Speaker 2: So it's not how can you exclude.

529
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Speaker 6: Somebody when there's a seventy or sixty seven percent chance

530
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Speaker 6: that that could still be true.

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Speaker 2: But the allegation, Look, I said this in the letter.

532
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Speaker 6: I hope the people that are listening to this could

533
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Speaker 6: a chance to read the letter. It's not that it's

534
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 6: on our website, it's on your website.

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Speaker 5: It's just so offensive.

536
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 6: If she wants to let this guy go, maybe she says, oh,

537
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 6: you know what, thirty years is enough, the litigation is

538
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 6: enough in mercy for whatever reason, decides to let him go.

539
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 6: I got no problem with that. She's the prosecutor. She

540
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 6: can do whatever she wants. What I take umbrage to

541
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 6: is accusing the prosecutor's office of what I mean, seriously,

542
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 6: she's accusing people of a crime here hiding evidence. I mean,

543
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 6: that's that is outrageous to make that allegation. There's no

544
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 6: proof of it. And even that, look, we had the trial,

545
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 6: it went through all the judges in state court affirmed, affirmed, affirmed,

546
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Speaker 6: Then they go to federal court. And when they went

547
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 6: to federal court, they asked for all these documents from

548
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 6: Blue Ash Police. We're basically questionnaires given to everybody stated

549
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 6: the hotel. The vast majority was we didn't see anything.

550
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 5: Okay.

551
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 6: That's the thousands of pages of evidence that was hidden,

552
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 6: and then police runs to the hotel. The Federal Court

553
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 6: of Appeals, the judge oft at the trial level said

554
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 6: that the material was in fact immaterial and it would

555
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 6: not have affected the outcome of this trial. Then it

556
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 6: went all the way to the six Circuit Court of Appeals,

557
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 6: Federal Court Appeals on the same issues, exact same issues,

558
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 6: and they unanimously affirmed that too. So this has been

559
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 6: litigated before, and to claim now that we've hid evidence

560
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 6: or that.

561
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 5: You can exclude this guy.

562
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Speaker 2: Is total bull crap.

563
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 5: Okay.

564
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Speaker 1: Also, she said the modern scientific when she said that, I,

565
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Speaker 1: you know, I think about DNA.

566
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Speaker 2: That's what I thought. There's no DNA.

567
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Speaker 1: She was talking about a hepatitis B that one third

568
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Speaker 1: of the time is communicated two thirds of time.

569
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Speaker 2: Note also, Mark Petemeyer, you were.

570
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: In charge of providing to the defense in this case

571
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: all available evidence. You've been accused of playing a game

572
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: of Lucy Hyde the football, and that you had these

573
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of pages of inculpatory or exculpatory evidence

574
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: that you refuse. You knew what was in there, and

575
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: you didn't want to give it to the defense because

576
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: it proved that Ellwood was innocent. That's the allegation of

577
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: Connie Pillage. You're the guy in charge of giving the papers.

578
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: What do you say about that one?

579
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Speaker 2: That's just not true.

580
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Speaker 4: And Bill, you've tried a lot of cases to including

581
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Speaker 4: murder cases, and the rules of discovery back then is

582
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: the basically everything you had you gave to the defense.

583
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: One thing they were not entitled to were witnesses statements.

584
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 4: Now since then the law has been changed. But as

585
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 4: you know, if I called Joe Dieters as a witness

586
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 4: and he's made a prior statement before you cross examine him,

587
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 4: you can ask the judge to review his prior statement,

588
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: and the judge will do that and if there's anything

589
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 4: in there in conceit, he said, hey, here, Bill, you

590
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 4: can cross examined leaders on this because he said some

591
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: things different that happened during the trial a couple times.

592
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: That's the only thing that was not given up. But

593
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: again they had access to it during the trial. All

594
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: this other stuff, these questionnaires at blue ass sent out

595
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: that meant nothing. As far as I know, we never

596
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: got and we certainly never got afterwards. We never subpoenaed

597
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 4: the records of all the crimes that ever took place

598
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: in that hotel. I remember they had some prostitution ring

599
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: if you going on back there years ago, that a

600
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 4: lot of people were prosecuted for that, they had some

601
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 4: undercover cops in there. Those are the kind of records

602
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: they also subpoened. So the vast, vast majority of this

603
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 4: stuff we never had. But the federal judge got all this,

604
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 4: all this stuff that they said proved he was innocent

605
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: and that we withheld. Again, we didn't even have it.

606
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: The judges looked at it and says, there's nothing here.

607
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 4: This is absolutely nothing that exculpitates Elwood Jones.

608
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Speaker 2: And that's why it's already been ruled on.

609
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 4: That's that's why when a common police judge basically overruled

610
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: the federal judge and the Federal six Circuit Court of Appeals,

611
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: it's like, what's going on here?

612
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: What Judge Cross never been on the bench before. She's

613
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: a brand new judge from the Public Defender's Office, and

614
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: she held a four day hearing on emotion for a

615
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: new trial, essentially the appetitis B issue, and not giving

616
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: over the document she used to explain, what's the motivation,

617
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: Joe Eaters, what's the motivation?

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Speaker 5: I have no idea why you would do this.

619
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Speaker 6: I mean, she's parroting the talking points of the defense attorneys,

620
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 6: which is a good thing sometimes, well for you maybe,

621
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 6: But she's supposed to be representing the state of Ohio.

622
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 6: And you know, and I know this is kind of

623
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 6: personal in nature, but I was the prosecutor and I

624
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 6: litigated this case for twenty five years, and she clearly

625
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 6: talked to the defense attorneys. She was in a press

626
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 6: commerce she said, oh why send them a screenshot of

627
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 6: my emotions to dismiss the whole case, you know, almost gleefully.

628
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 6: And she never called me one time. I'd met her.

629
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 6: One time, I said, if you need anything, feel free

630
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 6: to call me. Be happy to talk to you about

631
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 6: the office. But so she talks to the I don't

632
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 6: know who she talked to besides these defense attorneys that

633
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 6: she said she talked to. But anyone who thinks that

634
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 6: Ellwood's been excluded, Uh, I'm trying to be judicious about this.

635
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 6: It's either dead wrong, or they're lying. You know, they

636
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 6: just don't understand what this what exclusion means, it's gonna turn.

637
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 6: It means he can't possibly be the guy.

638
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: That's what Connie Pillage said.

639
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: This cannot be the guy, Mark Petemer based upon the

640
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: layout of the case.

641
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: This can and.

642
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: In fact, there's somebody out there who committed this other

643
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: than El would now talk about his record.

644
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: Many you didn't talk about it.

645
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: He was in his early forties when he committed these crimes.

646
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: And you know, I watched the Curtis Fuller interview at

647
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: Channel five and almost seemed like a he was a

648
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: boy scout leader. When we come back, I want you

649
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: to talk about the previous record of Eldwood Jones. Well,

650
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: misbehavior is consistent, which includes, by the way, assault on

651
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: a police officer. Well, talk about that on the other side.

652
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: And by the way, the letter is on our Twitter account.

653
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Speaker 1: Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham with Mark Pete Meyer

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Speaker 1: and Joe Eaters on News Radio seven hundred WLW. Now

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Speaker 1: let's continue. Now we have in the studio Joe Meeters

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Speaker 1: and also Mark Pete Meyer. Left it kind of hanging

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Speaker 1: because many times this is such a vicious beating some

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Speaker 1: of wrote his teeth was found in our stomach.

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Speaker 4: Correct, there was one on the floor of the hotel

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Speaker 4: room and one was found in her stomach.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Now, what was the previous criminal record of Elwood Jones.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting because when they did the podcast,

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Speaker 4: the inquiry reported to the original podcast, she says, well, well,

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Speaker 4: would't you're not a saint or he goes, no, no,

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Speaker 4: I gotta admit I'm I'm a thief. I'm a thief,

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Speaker 4: and it was They laughed about that, like it's okay.

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Speaker 4: But he was more than a thief. He was arrested

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Speaker 4: five or six times for assault, you know, physically beating someone,

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Speaker 4: once for domestic violence, which would have been beating his wife,

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Speaker 4: once for assault on a police officer. But he was

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Speaker 4: also arrested four times, four different times for aggravated burglar,

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Speaker 4: which is breaking into someone's residence to steal something. After

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Speaker 4: I guess the first couple. He actually was convicted on

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Speaker 4: one of those and went to prison, apparently convinced the

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Speaker 4: par board that hey, I've been scared straight, I learned

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Speaker 4: my lesson.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to see me again.

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Speaker 4: They cut him loose early and with a short amount

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Speaker 4: of time, he was arrested and convicted of another burglary

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Speaker 4: and went down to prison. So Elwood Jones was a

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Speaker 4: career criminal. And what better place for a guy like

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Speaker 4: him to work at a nice hotel with a master key.

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Speaker 2: It's like a kid in a candy store.

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Speaker 1: One of the other allegations of County pillage was that

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Speaker 1: there was someone else who would confessed to the murder

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Speaker 1: of with Jones. Can you ferret out the facts in

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Speaker 1: that matter?

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Speaker 4: Yes, this was first came to light, I think from

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Speaker 4: one of his attorneys twenty years after the murder happened.

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Speaker 4: But they had a lady who said back around that

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Speaker 4: shortly after this happened, she was locked up in the

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Speaker 4: justice center and her cell mate was a lady I

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Speaker 4: think her name was Linda Reid. And they get to

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Speaker 4: be talking, kicking a little bit, and Linda Reid tells this, lady,

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Speaker 4: I have to tell you something. You know that person

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Speaker 4: that's been arrested on that embassy suite's case. Yes, yes, well,

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Speaker 4: my husband the one is really did it, and the

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Speaker 4: blue ass police framed that guy for it. But my

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Speaker 4: husband is really the one that This is important stuff

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Speaker 4: right now, Yeah, this is big. Well, somebody confessed to it.

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Speaker 2: So Mark Petmer's your ears looked like a rabbit.

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Speaker 4: Well this is you know, it is twenty years later.

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Speaker 4: But still, who is this guy? I mean, I never

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Speaker 4: remember number one, he didn't work for Blue ass Police.

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Speaker 4: Number two, there's no association with him in the hotel.

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Speaker 4: And then we find out at the time this lady

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Speaker 4: is locked up and she's telling her cell mate that

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Speaker 4: she's going through a divorce with her husband. So I'm thinking, well,

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Speaker 4: that's kind of red flag number one. But I only

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Speaker 4: under say, you know what, I'm gonna go over and

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Speaker 4: pull the domestic relations court case and see, maybe this

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Speaker 4: guy is a violent guy and he's constantly beating the

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Speaker 4: crap out of her, and maybe it's something like that.

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Speaker 4: When I pull the file, I see it's Ken Peller,

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Speaker 4: guardian for Ken Peller's a local attorney, guardian for Linda

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Speaker 4: Reid versus mister Reid. And I'm thinking, why does she

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Speaker 4: have a guardian? I mean, why is she not participating

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Speaker 4: in the divorce? So I look further and actually contacted

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Speaker 4: Ken Peller. He says she was incompetent, she was mentally

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Speaker 4: incompetent to participate.

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Speaker 2: That that's the hook upon which Connie Pillage hangar of

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Speaker 2: this well.

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Speaker 4: First of one, it's double hearsay because the guy that

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Speaker 4: really did it is dead. His wife is really dead,

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Speaker 4: So the person that did it telling his wife is

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Speaker 4: hearsay it, and his wife telling this other lady is

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Speaker 4: double hearsay. So number one, it's legally admissible, inadmissible. But

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Speaker 4: this lady that said it was found crazy by the

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Speaker 4: court so much that she couldn't even participate in her

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Speaker 4: own divorce.

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Speaker 2: No way in the world. That is evidence. But that

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Speaker 2: is the third prong.

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Speaker 4: Again, Number one is the evidence that we withheld that

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Speaker 4: the court said no. Number two is the hepatitis Whi's

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Speaker 4: only a third of the people. In fact, the study

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Speaker 4: that guy referred to us people that use needles of

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Speaker 4: other people, and you're very likely probably to get it there,

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Speaker 4: but a third of those people get it, only a third.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, those are the three prongs based on that

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Speaker 4: he's cleared.

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Speaker 2: He's ex Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Someone else confessed Joe talk about hepatitis, be because you

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Speaker 1: told me off there. There was some reference in the

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Speaker 1: optops optops the well.

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Speaker 6: The defense initially said we hid the fact that she

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Speaker 6: had hepatitis.

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Speaker 2: Did you do that.

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Speaker 6: Well, it was in the autopsy report that they got.

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Speaker 6: It was in black and white. Yes, it was intops,

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Speaker 6: she said. And I don't have to tell them what

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Speaker 6: defense to pursue. They can do whatever they want. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's not my job. But they received information she had appetitis.

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Speaker 6: You know the reason I wanted to come here, Bills.

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Speaker 6: I was so offended by that press conference.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was.

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Speaker 6: Factually and fundamentally incorrect, and it was so offensive to

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Speaker 6: accuse my office of hiding evidence to convict an innocent man,

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Speaker 6: is it. I don't know that she realizes the magnitude

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Speaker 6: of that statement. I mean, if people actually did that,

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Speaker 6: they should be in jail. That it's just beyond defensive

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Speaker 6: to me. And she I think she owes the prosecutors

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Speaker 6: an apology for this, But you know she's obviously talking

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Speaker 6: to defense attorneys and that's who she talks to. So

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Speaker 6: I guess that's the message you get out of this

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Speaker 6: whole case.

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Speaker 1: And Mark Pete Myer. As far as Elwood Jones himself,

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Speaker 1: I watched an interview on Channel five. They did have

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Speaker 1: a Curtis fall Or positioning himself as a guy who's

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Speaker 1: made a few mistakes in the past, like beating up

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Speaker 1: your wife and hitting cops and serving time in prison

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Speaker 1: for burglaries twice twice.

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Speaker 2: And now he's seen the light.

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Speaker 1: And when she uses the term cheated, that you cheated

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Speaker 1: in this case, how does that.

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Speaker 2: Strike your heart? It really offends me.

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Speaker 4: And again I was asked by Connie Pillets to stick

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Speaker 4: around and help with the transition for the office, which

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Speaker 4: I agreed to do.

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Speaker 2: And I, you know, she's the other party.

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Speaker 4: I supported Missy Powers, and I thought, you know, people

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Speaker 4: are going to come in and take over the senior

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Speaker 4: positions that really have never done this stuff. In fact,

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Speaker 4: within the first month, I think we had two different

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Speaker 4: police shootings and I always.

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Speaker 2: Went on both of those, on all of those.

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Speaker 4: So I took the new people out to show you

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Speaker 4: how we get involved in these police shootings, what we

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Speaker 4: do when we don't do, how we make decisions. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, I did my best to help with the transition,

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Speaker 4: you know, just so because I cared about the office.

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Speaker 4: I cared about the county forty four years, yes, and

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Speaker 4: for them to imply that and Seth Tiger was the

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Speaker 4: other person that tried the case.

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Speaker 1: I saw much younger Mark Petemyer and a much younger

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Speaker 1: Seth Tiger standing up in nineteen ninety Yes, yes, ninety

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Speaker 1: five or six was the trial, and now.

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Speaker 4: We're bent over with Walkers, so it's not the same game.

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Speaker 4: But again that's I just I was stunned. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I just where did this come from?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Another aspect of the case is I can sense things

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Speaker 1: are often about money, and the county prosecutor is in

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Speaker 1: charge of representing judges and prosecutors because the county prosecutor

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Speaker 1: has civil responsibilities, thinking as a civil attorney, which I

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Speaker 1: think neither maybe you two or none, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You're on the Supreme Court and you're retired more or less.

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Speaker 1: What does it do when the county prosecutor, representing the

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Speaker 1: judges and the prosecutors and the sheriff, et cetera, come

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Speaker 1: in open forums and say, you know what, we cheat

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Speaker 1: it not we but you guys cheated you withheld evidence

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Speaker 1: and there's new stuff that isn't new stuff. What does

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Speaker 1: that do for the liability of Hamilman County. To me,

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Speaker 1: you're saying we are liable. You know, there's two things

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Speaker 1: in a civil suit. A is are you liable for it?

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Speaker 1: And b is how much money do you get? And

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Speaker 1: she is the has a civil division that represents the

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Speaker 1: county against lawsuits, and she's basically saying, we didn't accidentally,

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Speaker 1: we may have intentionally sent an innocent man to death row.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's if it's when Ella's going to

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Speaker 1: file this huge civil suit against the county, and if

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Speaker 1: i'm them, witness number one is County Pillage. Hey, you

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Speaker 1: said he's exonerated and the office cheated.

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Speaker 2: I might.

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Speaker 6: I sent this letter to the Attorney General's office today

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Speaker 6: also because if he makes his ridiculous claim, though at

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Speaker 6: least no where to go to talk to about the

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Speaker 6: facts of the case. I just want to make it

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Speaker 6: very clear to your listener's Bill Milevis doesn't cheat. To

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Speaker 6: make that statement is highly offensive. Elwood Jones is a murderer.

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Speaker 6: We had the right guy, absolutely positively sure, and she

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Speaker 6: let him go.

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Speaker 2: Now why she let him go, I.

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Speaker 6: Have no idea, But her reasons that she stayed in

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Speaker 6: her press conference are ridiculous and they're so easily proved

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Speaker 6: as false.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe she said it. At this point, where

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Speaker 1: do we go from here? Ellwood?

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Speaker 6: Right now, Elwood is a freeman and there's absolutely nothing

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Speaker 6: that can be done about it. But I just hope

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Speaker 6: that some truth comes out of that office. You know,

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Speaker 6: when they make decisions like this of this magnitude. This

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Speaker 6: is a thirty year old death penalty case, and everyone

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Speaker 6: forgets about Rhoda Nathan, Everyone forgets about the victim's family,

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Speaker 6: and they're this suffering. I talked to her son a

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Speaker 6: couple of times over the weekend, and his hurt is

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Speaker 6: like it happened yesterday's.

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Speaker 1: Connie said he was disappointed. Yeah, she said, he's furious.

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Speaker 6: And as a matter of fact, we gave I think

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Speaker 6: you have his statement bill that he made. He's stunned,

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Speaker 6: he's sick to his stomach. It went beyond disappointment.

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Speaker 1: Mark Pete Maher as far as it's inexplicable how this

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Speaker 1: diamond special brooch just happened to show up in the

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Speaker 1: toolbox of Elwood Jones. And there's no answer other than

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Speaker 1: somebody planeted it, you know, the O. J. Simpson defense.

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Speaker 1: Somebody somebody killed the other. The two gloves and the

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Speaker 1: blood and the car. Someone did it, And so can

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Speaker 1: you state for the record, I feel silly asking this

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Speaker 1: question whether you plant it the diamond brooch and the

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Speaker 1: toolbox along with the pass key and the chain link?

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Speaker 2: Did you plant?

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Speaker 1: Did Blue exh police plan it to make sure an

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Speaker 1: innocent man was convicted and a guilty man sent free.

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Speaker 1: Can you admit whether or not you did that or not?

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Speaker 2: I want a lawyer, You want a lawyer. Yeah, take

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Speaker 2: the bill.

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Speaker 6: If if they're gonna frame Elwood, why don't just get

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Speaker 6: somebody wrote his blood and throw it around his car

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Speaker 6: or throw it on his clothes.

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Speaker 4: The other thing, one of the first officers interviewed him

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Speaker 4: and he wasn't in custody yet and he talked to him.

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Speaker 4: They could have said, you know, he told me I

872
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 4: didn't mean to kill her. I didn't think anybody be

873
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: I mean, they could make up a statement. The important

874
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: thing is, too, is when as soon as that other

875
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 4: couple got back to the room, they noticed her necklace

876
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 4: was gone. So it's not like it was laying on

877
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 4: the floor and an officer could have picked it up.

878
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: And plus, why would you you're thinking this is a

879
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 4: piece of evidence, You're gonna put it into evidence. You're

880
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 4: gonna put it in a little baggy, You're gonna print it.

881
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: You're gonna do that. So theoretically one of the officers

882
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 4: got that, held it till the right time, and then

883
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 4: somehow put it in his toolbox.

884
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: It's just physically, I don't know how you could do it.

885
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: So, in a sense, indirectly or directly, Hamnica Prosecutor's office

886
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: is accusing a dead blue ash police officer of planning

887
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: evidence in a capital case.

888
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: Yes, Joe, how does well, It's that's absurd.

889
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 6: It's one of men the offensive statements made by this

890
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 6: office that I would hope people ask the hard questions,

891
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 6: how can you exclude this guy? How can you make

892
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 6: these statements that people hit stuff? I mean, it's just false.

893
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 6: It's it is blatantly false. And that's one thing. And

894
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 6: I said before, if she wants to let the guy go,

895
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 6: that's her. I mean she's a prosecutor, have mercy. You know,

896
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 6: he's been in there thirty years, whatever, go ahead, let

897
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 6: him go. But to then use just falsehoods for the

898
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 6: reason that evidence was hidden and that new medical scientific

899
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 6: evidence has excluded him, that's just false. And someone else confessed,

900
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 6: I mean, she's making false statements, I mean, just to

901
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 6: her constituents about this case and impugning the reputation of

902
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 6: really good prosecutors that devoted their lives to public service.

903
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 6: And she, you know, she's casually offensive comment and it's horrible.

904
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: Do you have a concern in the future. There's other

905
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: noted cases that you two guys handled, and you're two

906
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: of one of one hundred and fifty prosecutors in Hamlin

907
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: County when you two guys are there, Well, she listens.

908
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 6: To defense attorneys and not talk to the prosecutors. She's

909
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 6: gonna come the same conclusion on a bunch of cases.

910
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 6: There's noted cases, Wogenstall, Tracy Hunter, just line them up.

911
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 6: Let's come up with something here. Anthony Killer, Anthony Kirkland.

912
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 6: After all the defense council said, you know, is he

913
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 6: is he executed yet?

914
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 4: No, but he's there's that SMI defense cerial mental illness

915
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: that they found a doctor to say he has that,

916
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 4: and if he does, the judge can take him off

917
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 4: death row.

918
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: But not on off debt. L would not off death row.

919
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: He got to know our bond and it's walking around

920
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: Hamilton County right now. Well, he's he doesn't even have

921
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: to know our bond anymore. He's three with prejudice, which

922
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: means it's over it could ever be refined. Are you

923
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: concerned this will be repeated? As part of your motivation

924
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: coming here today is to say, Okay, this is Elwood Jones.

925
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: He got thirty years, which is better than nothing. But

926
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: worry about the next case, in the next case, in

927
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: the next case. Have you concerned this this will be repeated?

928
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 5: I hope it's not, but.

929
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 6: You know, unfortunately I'll have to speak out on it

930
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 6: again if it does, and I will, especially if she

931
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 6: uses the reason, oh, we hid evidence or you know,

932
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 6: something that's totally false scientifically.

933
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just false.

934
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 5: I don't know how else to say it.

935
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: And as far as the dead police officer in blue ash,

936
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: his name's been out there, I hesitate to repeat it.

937
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: She's indirectly accusing him or someone like him, of committing

938
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: serious felonies while wearing the uniform of a police officer.

939
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: He's and by all counts, was a great police officer.

940
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: And you know Marx has said this before. You know,

941
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: he's got kids, he's got a wife, and to hear

942
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: your dead father talked about like this, and if nothing else,

943
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody has to stand up for a road

944
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: to Nathan.

945
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 6: I mean, she came to this hotel for bar Mitzvah

946
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 6: from New Jersey. Yeah, and.

947
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: Was brutally murdered.

948
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 6: The evidence is overwhelming on Elwood Jones, and it just

949
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 6: seems like her name gets lost in the shuffle here.

950
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, came here for a Jewish shavenna about Smithsmah and

951
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: all of a sudden she has her teeth punched down

952
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: into her stomach. Can you imagine the violence of that attack?

953
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: Sixty seven year old woman with Elwood had no chance,

954
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: but she fought like a warrior poet and she lost.

955
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: And she lost her money out of her purse. She

956
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: lost her life, She lost her diamond brooch, almost as

957
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: if she said, the killer has my diamond brooch.

958
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 6: She lost her life, But think about what her family

959
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 6: lost because by all accounts, and I talked to her again.

960
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 6: I talked to her son Val over the weekend twice.

961
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 6: She was just a lovely woman. Just she kept their

962
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 6: family together and the loss they feel almost hourly.

963
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 5: And someone needs to speak for her.

964
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 6: And I just wish there is more sensitivity to victims

965
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 6: in that office.

966
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: Mark Pete, Maher, thank you anything that you want to

967
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: add I haven't.

968
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: I've asked you a few questions here sir, are you okay,

969
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm okay, you're okay.

970
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: I'll say the hell out of my wife, Carol. She's listening.

971
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 4: How many years, fifty years in May you're going to

972
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 4: keep you or not? We went to the Roger Bacon

973
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 4: prown together. So, oh my gosh, back in a good

974
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 4: old day, back in a good old days. Yes, I'm

975
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 4: not sure there was so Joe, you okay.

976
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 6: The last thing my wife says said, don't say hi

977
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 6: to me, So I'm not going to do that.

978
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: Well nine stands for news. That's all I know. Well, guys,

979
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: good luck. And by the way, you think it's over,

980
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it's just it's over. It's for Elwood is over.

981
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: It's over for Elk. You come forward and confess now.

982
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 4: And there's legally nothing you can do about it, because

983
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 4: she dismissed it with prejudice.

984
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: So Ellwood could say, you know, I found the lord,

985
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: beat up cops, beat up my wife, burglarized bunch of places,

986
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: went to prison a few times, and then all of

987
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, I'm sorry I did, murder wrote,

988
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm very sorry I did, and I beat her to

989
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: death and I shouldn't have done it, but I suspect

990
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: that will not occur. But if it did, he's still

991
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: a free man. Joe, thank you. You worry about the future,

992
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: don't you do? This is one case I do. All right, Mark,

993
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: thank you, sir, thank you. Let's continue with more news

994
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW.

995
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 7: First of all, I want to say, but the fighter

996
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 7: the Clamland Browns today will be in the fight of

997
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 7: the Cincinnati Bengals tomorrow, the fight of.

998
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 8: The Chicago Bears fans.

999
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 9: Next year, the fight of the Steelers fans.

1000
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 8: And if you lose this battle, the NFL is gonna lose.

1001
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 10: No more.

1002
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 8: I got a football fans, We'll go to basketball baseball.

1003
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: And hell what the NFL and.

1004
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 8: The Browns ever lamed Cleveland.

1005
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 7: Many years ago an American stot of different Frenches, the

1006
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 7: Patrons and Concording Lexington said no to the British. The

1007
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 7: Patrons in World War Two said no the heckl and Mussolini.

1008
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 8: The Patriots and the person go for said no, Samus,

1009
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 8: and the Patriots.

1010
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 11: Today they say no heart, no, no.

1011
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 8: Discies.

1012
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: This is a battle for the heart and.

1013
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 8: Soul of America. This is a battle for your moms

1014
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 8: and dads. This is a battle for your children.

1015
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 9: This there's no battle from the integrity of the.

1016
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 8: American Why you life?

1017
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 11: If we cannot lose, I can't.

1018
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: Say no.

1019
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 12: What about call may have lit the match, but the

1020
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 12: torches burning him on Cinerado, Ohio.

1021
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 8: It's a brown Stone stay in Cleveland. Oh hell's gonna

1022
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 8: break loose?

1023
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 10: God, Hello, buyet.

1024
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm broadcastings. I want to thank Matt and

1025
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: Reese for saving that thirty years ago.

1026
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 13: Today, really today that you stood on that you stood

1027
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 13: on that flatbed truck outside Cleveland's municipal stadium, rent and

1028
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 13: raving like a maniac. Desperate Browns fans needed leadership from

1029
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 13: the Southern command since and what the Browns do and

1030
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 13: want to be.

1031
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: So that the fur ball was that Were you with

1032
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: us that day? Yes, you were there.

1033
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: We go into the stadium, Cleveland Municimal the last game

1034
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: played right, Bengals and Browns and tearing the hell out

1035
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: of the place.

1036
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 14: We got about a minute twenty left in the game

1037
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 14: at this point, and it's getting very ugly in the

1038
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 14: Dog Pound. They're lifting the bleacher seats out and throwing

1039
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 14: them down by the gold post.

1040
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: That was Matt racist report that they're tearing seats out

1041
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: and everything right, they picked up.

1042
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 14: Just two and a half minutes left on the clock

1043
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 14: there and there are people who are apparently tearing up

1044
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 14: the stands over there and the bleachers and throwing things

1045
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 14: as a firecracker.

1046
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: Did you ever think it would come to this?

1047
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 15: No, I didn't.

1048
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: Of course.

1049
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 15: They call that the dog pot over there, and that's

1050
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 15: by you have your probably more friends and showed the

1051
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 15: enthusiasm than any part of the stadium. And uh, they

1052
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 15: come to wear.

1053
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: A different kind of outfits.

1054
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 15: They had dog bolt out of them and with their uh,

1055
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 15: I think it's it's they're just expressing their destroysure.

1056
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: We're taking place, guys in the bag and uh, Andy

1057
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 2: Furman was with us, and we go behind the Browns

1058
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: bench up walks Bill Belichick right, and Andy would send him,

1059
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, letters, a few Belichick whatever happened to him?

1060
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: Talk to Jordan Hudson about that. Yeah, And now, so

1061
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: next thing was a young coach name Nick saban Bingo. Yeah,

1062
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: what's your name? Said Bill Cunningham. He done Hall of

1063
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: Fame chap thirty years ago. Now, Alabama, how about about

1064
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: sorry abou him and his wife from a small town

1065
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: in East Virginia. Right, they're at a stop line in

1066
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: West Virginia. Nick Saban's with his wife about four years

1067
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: ago that lou Grozo with Matt and reechs gotta played

1068
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: it again for Louke and so uh. Nick Saban looks

1069
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: over at the Sitgo gas station, small town in West Virginia,

1070
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: and the guy pumping gas was someone who dated Nick

1071
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: Saban's wife thirty years ago. And so Nick Saban says

1072
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 1: to his wife, look at that guy in that jeth

1073
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: throw you know that's him. Hell, if you would have

1074
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: married him, you'd be pumping gas and uh in Sitgo

1075
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: stations and Morgantown, West Virginia. The wife looked at Nick

1076
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: and said, look are you kidding me? If I would

1077
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: have married him, he'd be the head football coach of

1078
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: Alabama and you'd be pumping gas and the SITG station

1079
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Speaker 1: in Morgantown, West Virginia.

1080
00:54:58,719 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: Was that a good comeback?

1081
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Speaker 16: it's the holiday season getting near Christmas. Wishtree program has

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Speaker 16: been going on for forty one years. Help people out

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Speaker 16: at the wish Tree hotline is five one three eight

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Speaker 16: five two eighteen ninety five or email them at the

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Speaker 16: Wishtree program at gmail dot com. Help out some people

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Speaker 16: during this holiday season.

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Speaker 2: Did Joe Deeters put the cheese on the cracker several slices? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And as I said, I've had Connie Pilach on before, right,

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00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: yes you have if she wants to come on and

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00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: refute this.

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Speaker 2: My airwaves are yours.

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Speaker 16: College basketball, Willie, it was Miami taking the lead early

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00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 16: and never look back. They've Wright State last night, so

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00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 16: the RedHawks and Travis Steel for the first time in

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Speaker 16: school history eleven and oher congratulations on what he what

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Speaker 16: coach Steel has done in love and honor, he said, man,

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Speaker 16: and I'm glad he's doing well tonight. Alabama State and

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Speaker 16: the Cincinnati Bearcats fifth third arena, six point thirty here

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Speaker 16: on seven hundred WLW. Xavier opens Big Big East Conference

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00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 16: play hosting Creighton at six. When I had on Iris Rolie.

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00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 16: Did I let her talk on fifty five KRC. Yes,

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Speaker 16: also tonight Horizon League Action.

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Speaker 2: I'm about getting the words out segment. That's what I'm about,

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Speaker 2: the words.

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Speaker 16: Oakland and Nku at six thirty on Fox Sports thirteen sixty.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Now, going back to the Bearcats, Gisel James has returned

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Speaker 16: to the roster.

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00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 2: Do we know why he left the roster?

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00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 16: I have no idea. I guess bad, happy or something.

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00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 16: But the top scorer from last year is back on

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00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 16: the Bearcats roster. The Orlando, Florida native will be in

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Speaker 16: action tonight.

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Speaker 2: I like to know what it is. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what happened. Do we have the right to know?

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00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: Probably probably the green Salad. The salvation has something to

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Speaker 1: do with it wasn't paid enough. The Miami Dolphins are

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Speaker 1: benching Tua and they're going to turn to rookie quinn

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Speaker 1: Ewers as their starter Sunday against the Bengals in South Beach.

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Speaker 2: And isn't Arch Manning going to the draft? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think no.

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Speaker 16: He says no, he's returning to Texas. He said that yesterday.

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Speaker 16: How much money is he getting to return to Texas,

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Speaker 16: probably plenty. I'll tell you what if what's his name

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Speaker 16: is worth four million in Texas tech, Well, how much

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00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 16: is Manning worth of Texas? Probably double it or moreo

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Speaker 16: Ohio College, Ohio University, the home of Tom Brenneman, can

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Speaker 16: Brew and others, the home of the Bobcats, have fired

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Speaker 16: head coach at Bryan Smith for cause today. What's saying

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00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 16: Smith violated his contract by engaging in serious professional misconduct

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Speaker 16: and participating in activities that reflect unfavorably on the university.

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Speaker 2: This is sure own more situation.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: There's very that's all. That's all they said.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 16: John, the defensive coordinator, John Hauser was named interim coach

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Speaker 16: and he'll lead the how you Bobcats into the Frisco

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00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 16: Bowl against UNLV.

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Speaker 1: I have a text here in caring minds want to

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00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: know was Gisel James involved in a legal matter?

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Speaker 2: What can you tell me, Tony? Well, he probably he

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00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: knows it all.

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00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 16: Also, Soccer FC Cincinnati has transferred to Alvaro Barriel back

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Speaker 16: to his Brazilian As Santos FC team for a multi

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Speaker 16: million dollar fee.

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Speaker 2: Who pays the feet?

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00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 16: I guess, uh? I guess his Brazilian club. They had

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00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 16: him here on loan, and so he goes back to Brazil. Well,

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Speaker 16: I tell you what FC Cincinnati is like upheaval. They're trying,

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00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 16: they're they're they're they're up, up up, and uh get

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00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 16: give Jeff Burning credit, right, he's trying. Well, they're trying

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Speaker 16: to get better, and they're letting a lot of people go.

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Speaker 16: But hopefully it all works.

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Speaker 1: You see segment how much money should someone receive if,

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00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: in fact they were wrongfully prosecuted and sent to death

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00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: row for thirty years and the other side's lawyer, that's

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: Countye Pillage, Yeah, admits that it was an intentional act

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Speaker 1: and that compensation therefore must be paid. How much would

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Speaker 1: the taxpayers of Amileton County pay for this one zillions

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Speaker 1: for thirty years, thirty years, thirty years. When you're hot,

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Speaker 1: you're hot. You've got to see what And they got

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Speaker 1: to pay out eight and a half million of those protesters,

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Speaker 1: right that broke the law.

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Speaker 2: Gotta pay him, but they they they put the lawsuit

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Speaker 2: in there and they won. Gotta pay him. Segment unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Andy Mack and.

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Speaker 1: Uh Alfonse go Hartstein and Louis Serkin is going to

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Speaker 1: make a fortune because she says, among other things, Connie

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Speaker 1: Pillage that the prosecutor's office cheated, and that means Joe

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Speaker 1: Eaters and and of course Mark Pete Mayer cheated. So

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Speaker 1: the lawyer for the other side, which the taxpayer, just

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Speaker 1: admit it. We're gonna pay Ellwood a bunch of money.

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Speaker 2: That's for sure.

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Speaker 1: That they withheld quote thousands of pages of withheld information, your.

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Speaker 2: Comments, your two guests for you two guests earlier laid

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Speaker 2: it out.

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Speaker 1: That'll never happen again. When a Supreme Court justice reaches

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Speaker 1: down to the local level and puts the cheese on

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Speaker 1: the cracker, takes off the robe and takes back to

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office with Mark Petemeyer and others.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I had to go down there and uh, you know, mutiny.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen, but all of my

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Speaker 1: comments myself have I said, once again, normally there's two

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Speaker 1: or three sides to ever story correct, right, So if

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Speaker 1: Ledwood Jones, or Alfonska Hartstein, or Louis Serkin or Counnie

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Speaker 1: Pillage or Sharon Coolidge, anybody once come on and talk

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Speaker 1: about this.

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Speaker 2: Am I respectful of my guest, Do I let them

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Speaker 2: get their words out? Yeah? Absolutely, because I don't have

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Speaker 2: all the answers.

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Speaker 1: Just when you think you know all the answers, Sei, man,

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Speaker 1: someone changes the questions, that's for sure. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I would like to have the county prosecutor come on

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Speaker 1: and put some meat on the bones and let me

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Speaker 1: ask her about these pieces of evidence that seemed conclusively

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Speaker 1: to point in Elwood Jones, but to declare that he

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Speaker 1: was wrongfully prosecuted.

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Speaker 2: He's an innocent man.

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Speaker 1: The guilty guy is still out there somewhere and the

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Speaker 1: Joe Deaters and Mark Petemyer hit evidence and cheated. Well,

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Speaker 1: if she feels that way, come into the web right here,

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Speaker 1: sit sit right there, and let you and I talk,

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Speaker 1: and I'll ask her the questions and I will be

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Speaker 1: as respectful as always as I am. Segment, Get me

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Speaker 1: out of the Studge Report, will thee an out of

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Speaker 1: a beautiful day here at the tri State? And putting

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Speaker 1: the cheese on the kracker, we leave you with the

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Speaker 1: immortal words of the stew Report.

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Speaker 14: Two and a half minutes left on the clock there

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Speaker 14: and there are people who are apparently tearing.

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Speaker 2: Up the stands over there.

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Speaker 1: That's Matt Reese interviewing, among others, Lou Groza thirty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Today it happens segment the Browns moved to Baltimore and

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Speaker 1: the Ravens were born and quickly won two Super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: Seven hundred W BLW.

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Speaker 1: My Billy Cunning in the Great American I've been here

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Speaker 1: a long time. I've never been with something so dramatic.

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Speaker 1: When the Supreme Court sitting justice takes off his black robe,

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Speaker 1: puts back on his prosecutor's hat and begins by stating,

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Speaker 1: among other things, in his statement that I'm appearing. Let

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Speaker 1: me read you with the opening line as you go

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Speaker 1: to our Twitter x account and get the information before

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Speaker 1: addressing the evidence in this case. This is a letter

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Speaker 1: from Joe Dieters to County Pillage. I want to be

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Speaker 1: clear about the capacity in which I write. I do

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Speaker 1: both as a former prosecuting attorney of Hamlet County and

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Speaker 1: the citizen of this county, and my current role is

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Speaker 1: the justice on the I Supreme Court. I've exercised scrupulous

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Speaker 1: caution with respect to matters originating from my former office.

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Speaker 1: Consistent with this obligation, I voluntarily recused myself any participation

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Speaker 1: in the Elwood Jones case.

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Speaker 2: Here's on to say.

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Speaker 1: I watched the full news conference in which you dismissed

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Speaker 1: the entire case against Elwood Jones. During that conference, you

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Speaker 1: publicly proclaim that Jones had been caught cleared of the

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Speaker 1: murder of Miss Nathan, asserting that your decision was based

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Speaker 1: on quote modern day medical testing unquote that excluded Elwood

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Speaker 1: Jones as a suspect quote unquote, Well, it does not

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01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: exclude him as a suspect. There's no DNA involved in

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Speaker 1: this case. It is the ability of someone with hepatitis B,

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Speaker 1: which wrote ahead wrote to Nathan, had to communicate that

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Speaker 1: to Elwood Jones during the time that Elwood Jones was

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01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: viciously punching sixty seven year old wrote to Nathan in

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Speaker 1: the face, driving her teeth into her stomach. And according

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Speaker 1: to Joe Dieters and Mark Petmeyer, the defense's own expert witness,

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01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: said that the communication that transmission would happen about one

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Speaker 1: third of the time, and two thirds of the time

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Speaker 1: it would not be transmitted. So is that irrefutable that

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01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: to Elwood Jones is in fact the murderer. I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. And the current county prosecutor who's been on

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Speaker 1: my show a couple times, and she's welcome to come back.

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01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't beraate anyone. I want to get the story out.

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Speaker 1: Joe Dieters also said in this letter, you publicly impugned

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Speaker 1: the integrity of former members of my office, suggesting they cheated,

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Speaker 1: and falsely implied that thousands of pages of evidence had

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Speaker 1: been withheld from the defense. By the way, Mark Petmer

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01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: answered that you compounded these accusations by portraying your actions

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: as a necessary corrective measure to allege past misconduct. Invoking

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Speaker 1: the creation of a conditioned integrity unit is justification, He goes,

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Speaker 1: want to say that these assertions by you, assertions at

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01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: County Pillage are false, reckless, and profoundly damaging. They constitute

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Speaker 1: a gross dis service to the people of Hamlet County

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Speaker 1: and an unjustified attack on honorable, honorable public servants.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what the response should be.

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Speaker 1: I didn't I believe that Connie Pillage, the elected county prosecutor,

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01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: did not hang around to answer questions in the media,

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Speaker 1: And with all due respect to the media, I don't

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Speaker 1: think they have the intimate knowledge of the case that

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01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: I think I have because of speaking to Mark and

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01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: to Joe a long time about this matter, and so

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: if there's another version of the facts that need to

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01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: get out, I'm more than happy to provide a form

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01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: for Connie Pillage to come on to explain it in

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01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: a non adversarial way. When I have on people I

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: disagree with, like Iris Rowley, I think she admitted and

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01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: when she left her she had her say, She got

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01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: her word out, and then you as a listener can

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01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: decide whether it's good, bad, or and different, whether in

1284
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: fact you know it's something that you accept her or don't.

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01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: And I've also said to Joe and others that, in

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01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: a sense, what difference does it make At this point,

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Speaker 1: if the election were held tomorrow Countie, Pillage likely would

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01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: still win. Goes so they can because of the constituency

1289
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: the voters of Hamlyn County. Criticisms of the mayor, et cetera.

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01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: Are somewhat interesting, but he got I think seventy eight

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01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: percent of the vote, and all the crap that came

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01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: out about him maybe cost him one or two percentage points.

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01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: She still won easily, So at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I think Mark Pete Meyer and Joe Dieters had their say,

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01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: other shoes will drop in this matter.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you what they are. At the end,

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Speaker 2: I said, Joe, is it over? He said, yes, it's over.

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Speaker 1: Well, she dismissed it with prejudice, which means it can't

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Speaker 1: be brought again, and the trial court has stamped it.

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Speaker 2: It's over done.

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Speaker 1: But as you know, as attorneys, we have to shall

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Speaker 1: we say, comply with certain rules of ethics from Ohio

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01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: Disciplinary Council. And you can't be a prosecutor if you

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01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: don't have a law license. On the other hand, if

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01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: someone believes on the other side of the fence that

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01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: Joe or Mark Petemer, I think Mark Store was a

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01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: law license. You know, you work hard to get him

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01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: and it's been a lawyer about forty five years, so

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01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to keep it. If anything

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Speaker 1: they said was false, that the other shoe could drop

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01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: on the other side of the other side of the fence,

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Speaker 1: everyone's got the right to freely speak, and the Supreme

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01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: Court recently gave judges the ability to freely speak and

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Speaker 1: be held accountable for their for their words. If it

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01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: is false, then either side can come forward and file

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Speaker 1: a lawsuit against the other party. Alleging defamation. Yeah, and

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01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: it's possible. I think it'd be wasted effort. And I

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Speaker 1: don't advise Connie Pillach or Sharon Cooliache or top assistant

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Speaker 1: on many things.

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Speaker 2: But I haven't spoken to them in the months. But

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Speaker 2: if I did, I would say let it go. The

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01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: decision has been made. It's over with.

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Speaker 1: The case is dismissed with prejudice, means you can't be

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: brought again, and it's files to him by common Police

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Speaker 1: court judge and it's over. Elwood Jones is free to go,

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Speaker 1: and he is gone. If he would come forward and

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Speaker 1: admit to it all right now, nothing would come of

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01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: that either because he's been dismissed with prejudice and double

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01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 1: jeopardy has attached, so he can't be tried again for

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Speaker 1: the murder. And I hope in his seventies he finds

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01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: the Lord in one sense or another. In my faith Catholicism,

1332
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: you go to confession or reconciliation, you admit your sins.

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01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: And in my case, once I got a rosary, normally

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01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: I get an our Father of Hell, mayor I did

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01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: some bad things and the years ago I got I

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Speaker 1: got a rosary. Is my penance, and I said the Rosary,

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Speaker 1: and I'm forgiven. So I hope in a sense that

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Speaker 1: Elwood Jones can come to griffs with reality and the

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01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: solitude of his mind, apologize, seek forgiveness, and if it's

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Speaker 1: sincere and profound, it will be given to Elwood Jones.

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01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: On the other side of the fence, the taxpayers at

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01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,520
Speaker 1: Hamilton County are going to pay out millions and millions

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01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 1: and millions of more dollars because of the wrongful prosecution

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: of Elwood Jones, according to the current county prosecutor who's

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01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: the attorney for the Common Police Court judges. So that

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01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: means sometime probably after the first of the year, there's

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01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: going to be a decision made by maybe Alfonska Hartstein

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01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: or Bill Gallagher or other civil attorneys who's going to

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01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: sue Hamilton County. In other words, you for tens of

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01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: millions of dollars because the lawyer for the county has

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01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: admitted that the county is liable for civil damages. She

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01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: said he was wrongfully convicted and implied there was a

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: there was an intentional motive by Mark Pete Meyer and

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01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: Joe Dieters and doing this. In other words, say the

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01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: theory is that they found an innocent man unconnected to

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01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: the murder, and they conjured up evidence that somebody planted

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01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: to make it easy to convict an innocent man with

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01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: the consequence that the guilty person who did this would

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Speaker 1: be set free, would not be discovered. And so when

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01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 1: you have the lawyer for the county who's going to

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01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: write the check, admit the fundamentals of the lawsuit to come,

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01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be a big check. It's going to

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01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: be a big number. Maybe not Bengal number, but how

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01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: do you financially compensate someone who spent thirty years on

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01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: death row? Is it fifty thousand bucks a year? Is

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01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: it one hundred thousand bucks a year? That'd be three

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01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: or four million plus the lawyers have to be paid.

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01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: So Ellwood Jones would come a multimillionaire and you're going

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01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: to pay it goes The lawyer for the county just

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01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: admitted liability, which is something you want to try to avoid.

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01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,759
Speaker 1: So do either parties have possible lawsuits against the other personally?

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Speaker 1: I guess it's possible Elwood Jones could possibly sue Joe

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01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 1: and Marca. That wouldn't go anywhere. Joe and Marca. The

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01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: family of the Blue Ash cop who was indirectly charged

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01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: with planning evidence in a murder case, won't mention his name.

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01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: Could sue, but at the end of the day, I

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01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: would urge all parties to stand back. Each party had

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01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: their say. County Pillich, whether you like it or not,

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01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: is going to be the county prosecutor for the next

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Speaker 1: three years. And if she runs for reelection, which is likely,

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01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: Joe went another term. Joe Dieter says the six year

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01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: smile on his face. That is he was just elected

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. He's been a friend of mine

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01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: most of my life. I was the MC of the

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: swearing in ceremonies for the Supreme Court of Ohio. I

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01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: was proud to do that. Spend my buddy a long time.

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01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: We vacations together, talking to the phone probably ten times

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01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: a week. He's my personal friend and I've urged him. Also,

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01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: you've had your say. Connie Pilach had her say. Elwood

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01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: Jones is now in his seventies and is free. I

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01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: know it's hard to do what It's time to move on.

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: Wait for the next shoe to drop, which is the

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01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: lawsuit Elwood will have against Hamilton County for wrongfully prosecuting him.

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01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: And then you're going to write a check as a taxpayer,

1395
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: a big check to Elwood Jones. It will pass it on,

1396
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: can't spend all the money he's going to have, and

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01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: he'll pass it on to his family in some form.

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Speaker 2: Can parties like this.

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Speaker 1: Each have fundamentally different opinions on a criminal case. I

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: think one side is supported by the facts, the other

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01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: side didn't. That's my personal opinion. That are they capable

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01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 1: of moving on and saying, Okay, that's it we.

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01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 2: Right now?

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: Connie Pillage has a thousand criminal cases. In fact, if

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01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 1: I counseled her, which I don't, or Sharon Cooliache, the

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01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: great inquiry reporter working with her, I would have said, look,

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: if you got to do this. Because the judge in

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01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 1: this case, Wendy Cross, is a newbie judge, a liberal

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01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: public defender type. She essentially ordered a new trial. She

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 1: didn't order a neutril not essentially she ordered a new

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01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: trial of Elwood Johnes something all the other twenty five

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01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 1: or thirty judges that looked at the same evidence said no.

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01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: But if she's the one with the right answer, and

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01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: people that know Wendy Cross. The judge tell me she's

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01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: a good judge, and they tell me she's a nice lady.

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01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: It never met her, likely never will, but she's a judge.

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01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: She can look at it say okay, this guy needs

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01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: a new trial. At that point, Connie Pillage should have said,

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01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,560
Speaker 1: you know what, I got a thousand cases to prosecute.

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01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: The county commissioners want to cut my budget by ten

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: p and I got so much to do. I'm going

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01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: to dismiss the case and let it go. Don't talk

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01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: about Joe Dieters and Mark p maher cheating. Don't talk

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: about impugning the character of Joe Dieters and Mark Pete

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01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: Meyer and everyone in that office. Don't talk about withheld evidence,

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01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: and don't talk about new scientific materials which amount to nothing.

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01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: Just say, look, I'm busy. I have a thousand cases.

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01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: I want to spend our time on present cases in

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01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: Hamlin County. This one happened in the mid nineteen nineties

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01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: when I was a very young woman. I'm sure she

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01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: is even a lawyer. Then I want to move on.

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01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I, like Joe said, sitting right there, if she

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01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 2: would have done that, which is her right she's the

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01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 2: county prosecutor, she's the chief law enforcement official in Amony County.

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01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 2: That's the end of it.

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01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 4: Move on.

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01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:04,480
Speaker 1: I disagree, Joe disses, Mark Petemer disagrees, Seth Tiger disagrees.

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: But she is the right and the power to do it,

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01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: and she did it.

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01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 4: Let it go.

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01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 2: But she didn't do that.

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01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: She justified it by throwing dirt on everyone that went before,

1443
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: which is unseemly behavior for a prosecutor.

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01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 2: You don't do that.

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01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: So, uh, that's where we are once again. I know

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01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: they're listening. And if Sharon Coolidge, who worked for years

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01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: in the in the inquiry, great reporter, she's the one

1448
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: that broke all the stuff on Cheryl Long, the city manager,

1449
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: having filed bankruptcy. The headhunter couldn't find that, but Sharon

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01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: Coolidge did. If they want to come on uh Thursday

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01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: or Friday and have their say, they will. They will

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01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: be accepted as somebody with a different viewpoint, and yes,

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01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: come on and you can respond and then move It's

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01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: time I think to move on. The case is over.

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01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: The only thing left to right is a check and

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01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: the check will be written by the county commissioners to

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01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: the tune of millions and millions of dollars to compensate

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01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: Edward Jones. Sometime next year of the year after a

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01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: check will be written. And I hope this ends the matter.

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01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: No more revenge, no more retribution, no more time spent

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01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth. Connie Pillach had her say,

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01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: by their standards, they impuged the character and reputation of

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01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: Joe Dieters and Mark Petemeyer and Seth Tiger. They had

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01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: their say, it's over. Stop it except for the check writing.

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01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: Will that happen? I hope, I have hope. And if

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01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: Connie or Sharon Coolidge want to call me, they have

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01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: my cell phone later today, please do we can talk

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: a little bit and move on. It's time to move

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01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: on and don't have retribution and revenge against anyone. There's

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01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: enough present work to do to keep all parties busy,

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01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 1: including me. But if she wants to talk, ever say,

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01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: I'll say, thank you Connie, you're the county prosecutor. I

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01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: wish you well in your office. Thank you see you again.

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01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: That's it to twenty five Home of the Bengals News

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01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW.

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01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 14: What's your favorite moment in this Stadium, nineteen fifty Chapters

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01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 14: of Day in our first year of the NFL.

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01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 15: I think kick a sixteen yard field goal with about

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01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 15: twenty seconds of play? What twenty eight twenty sef I

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01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 15: thirty to twenty eight.

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01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, mister Grose.

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01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 5: I appreciate.

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01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 10: Hello. Bye, I'm broadcasting.

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01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 3: Rock.

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01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 2: You're just a young fella, but you don't remember Luke Grose.

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01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 17: He's got an award named after him, Luke Rose place kicker,

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01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 17: and he played I think off defensive tackle offensive though

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01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 17: for the Brownies.

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01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 2: That's when the football was football. They went both ways,

1490
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 2: are as men played y a tittle. Those are the guys. Yeah,

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01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: how about this?

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01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: That was thirty years ago today, the last day that

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01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: the brown Stadium was opened, and I was there on

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01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: the back of a flatbed truck speaking what are you

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01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: doing there? I was invited by uh screaming like a maniacs.

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01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 9: All I want to say.

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01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 7: But the fight of that Cleveland Browns today will be

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01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 7: in the fight of the Cincinnati Bengals tomorrow, the fight

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01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 7: of the Chicano Bears fans next year, the fight of.

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01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 8: The Steelers fans.

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01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 12: You lose this battle, the NFL is gonna lose the

1502
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 12: war and a football fan.

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01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 10: We'll go to fast the hall place.

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01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 8: Hell what the NFL and the Browns ever lay Cleveland?

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01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 7: Different Americans of different branches. The patrons are not in

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01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 7: Lexington set.

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01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 2: No to break minute.

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01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 8: Patrons in World War Two sat heck Goods leading.

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01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 2: They change the person.

1510
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 9: Go for said Sam, No heart brothers.

1511
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 11: A battle from the heart and soul of America. This

1512
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 11: is a battle for your mom and dads. This is

1513
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 11: a battle for your children. This is a battle from

1514
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 11: the integrity of the American.

1515
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 8: Why you like then we can love can.

1516
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 4: Thank you?

1517
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 8: You know n may have let the match? What the

1518
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 8: torches burning?

1519
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 7: The one Cineraena Ohio, it's the brown Stone saying Cleveland, Oh, hen's.

1520
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 11: Gonna break loose?

1521
01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: Go back of a fight to put a plaque? Yes,

1522
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: where exactly that happened? And you're great speech up in

1523
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,560
Speaker 1: Cleveland and at the end of the game, and you

1524
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 1: predicted the NFL is going to go nowhere?

1525
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 2: Right, how about the n f L are gonna like

1526
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 2: what if I way of the Cleveland.

1527
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: That had the one guy with that dog face in

1528
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 1: front of me and then they went to Baltimore. How

1529
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: did it work out in Baltimore. Pretty good, Cleveland, Yeah,

1530
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: you think we got problems. Would you rather be a

1531
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: Browns fan or a Bengals fan?

1532
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:45,799
Speaker 2: Bengals?

1533
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 1: How about I go in the center with a Buckeyes

1534
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: about a Raiders fan or a Bengals fan. Raiders of

1535
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: the Bengals, Bengals. How about the Jets or Giants or

1536
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: the Bengals be that's what. Be happy with what you got,

1537
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: know your role.

1538
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 4: And it shut your mouth and at the end, with

1539
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 4: what we're giving you, Matt, they don't ask for much more.

1540
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: Don't ask And lou Rosa police is interviewed and they're

1541
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: tearing apart municipal stadium, the seats and setting out on

1542
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: your field.

1543
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 2: Have bonfire started with two minutes to go in the game.

1544
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 2: So were you trying to prevent the Browns from leaving Cleveland? Yes,

1545
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 2: there was a Trevizzano and I we're going nuts.

1546
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 5: Didn't work.

1547
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: Browns must stay in Cleveland. How that work out?

1548
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 2: NFL is going to fail if they leave Plus Rock.

1549
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 1: The thing of it is is you look up on

1550
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: the TV monitor and it's a beautiful green field on

1551
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: TV and you look down on the actual field.

1552
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 2: I mean it looked like that that the eighth Army

1553
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 2: was coming through in World War.

1554
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 14: What is that?

1555
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: What's the deal? I mean you couldn't marking anything else.

1556
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 1: People are going nuts or throwing stuff out on the field.

1557
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: I remember the Titans.

1558
01:22:56,240 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 17: They would spray paint the ground green because of you know,

1559
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 17: by December the ground was all chewed up.

1560
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 2: My predictions were not accurate. Is that fair?

1561
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 1: It's fair to say, are you going to be here

1562
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: Christmas morning for the spectacular? Got your family?

1563
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 2: Yes, my kid's birthday again. But we can go early.

1564
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 3: Right?

1565
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: We got Tom, renahand that Scott Sloan, me, you and Eddie,

1566
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:22,839
Speaker 1: the five heads of the five families.

1567
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 2: Are you ready? I'm ready Christmas morning starting about seven am.

1568
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 2: You'll be here now.

1569
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 17: Last year we did the question where one sees one

1570
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 17: segment was supposed to be what was your journey to

1571
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 17: get here to the big point?

1572
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 2: I take the entire show, just take one segment. Show

1573
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 2: exactly right. I got a good segment. I'm not going

1574
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 2: to tell you about the Christmas Day itself. Good save

1575
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 2: it for air. I want to be surprised. Two hours

1576
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 2: are great and I'm you know most of us I

1577
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 2: live close.

1578
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: You live out in the in the Kentucky I mean,

1579
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can get there from here,

1580
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 1: and so do my best forty five minutes, but I'm

1581
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: hearing three minutes, so it's gonna be great.

1582
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 17: We're gonna deal with abortion and lethal injection and other

1583
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 17: topics that we've dealt with.

1584
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: The more abortion. You gotta talk about the Trump Yes, yes,

1585
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 1: I'll talk about the Trump Star. So give me some sports.

1586
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: And my predictions have not always been accurate. I'm fair

1587
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: to say you dis missed that one just by that much.

1588
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 2: HENNFL is gonna amount to nothing.

1589
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 1: And Cleveland, the Browns are staying in Cleveland, Art model

1590
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: and kiss my ass?

1591
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: How'd that work out? Double Super Bowls?

1592
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 16: WELLI the Stuart reporters of Proud service of your local

1593
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 16: Tamestar Heating and air Conditioning dealers, Thamestar quality you can

1594
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 16: feel in Cincinnati, col Schmid Heating and Coolie five one

1595
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 16: three five three one sixty nine hundred sports.

1596
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 2: What will ye?

1597
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 16: Those Miami RedHawks rolled to eleven and oh last night

1598
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 16: as they beat Wright State, Alabama State, and the Cincinnati

1599
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 16: Bearcats tonight at six thirty and Jizzle.

1600
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 2: Jane listen up his back Jizzl is busy.

1601
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: Gisela is back. He's been added to the roster by

1602
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: a head coach Wes Miller.

1603
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 2: Today.

1604
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's back. He's a young man. Let's move

1605
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: on and keep telling people move on, but they don't

1606
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:13,560
Speaker 1: listen to the great American.

1607
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 5: Let they move on.

1608
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: Led the Cats last year with twelve.

1609
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 17: The past, I don't I don't have repigation, clearly focused

1610
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 17: on the future, in.

1611
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 2: The future, and I don't make any predictions. They played.

1612
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 2: They played Clemson this weekend. Is that crreck?

1613
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cleveland, Brown's play No the Bank Bearcats For Sunday,

1614
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: Xavier opens Big East play Tonight up against Creighton at

1615
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: Sentas Senna and at six pm at fifty five k

1616
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: r C Horizon League play Oakland and n k U

1617
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: six point thirty on Fox Sports thirteen to sixty.

1618
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 2: Let's see Bengals update. The Tua is out, Quinn Ewers is.

1619
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: In as the new starter for the Miami Dolphins Sunday again, beloved,

1620
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: what about Tua?

1621
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 6: Rock?

1622
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 2: What about Tua? It's hard for.

1623
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 17: Him because he's undersized. It'significantly on your side. Eleven or

1624
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 17: the Bengals got The Bengals gonna have to tee it up.

1625
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: College football Ohio UIs Ohio US fired head coach Brian

1626
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: Smith for cause today, saying Smith violated his contract by

1627
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: engaging in serious professional misconduct and participating in activities that

1628
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: reflect unfavorably on the university aka sex.

1629
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 2: Not only to predict something, it's either sex or money,

1630
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 2: generly sex.

1631
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 16: Bobcats won eight and four in his first season as coach,

1632
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 16: defense bacte penetration. Defensive coordinator John Houser will be named

1633
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 16: interim coach. The ou Bobcats will take on U N

1634
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 16: l V in the Frisco Bowl.

1635
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 2: You doing that one? Noting that we got six or five?

1636
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 2: December twenty third. What about if Jimmy Burrow is still

1637
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 2: the decordinator in Ohio? He might take over and rule

1638
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 2: with an iron grip. You go, He's not there? Is

1639
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 2: that the brother? He says?

1640
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 5: His dad?

1641
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, his father is still He was? No,

1642
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 2: he was, he was.

1643
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 17: He could go back to Ohio for years, many years

1644
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 17: I covered the head coach. Possibly, he's probably having a

1645
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 17: pretty good time now just watching his son.

1646
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 1: Zach Zach Schuler right now, looks like his contracts through

1647
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seventy seven. Now, why would the Bengals after

1648
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game was that in twenty two that

1649
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: they lost, they reupted into another five years, right, Why

1650
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't they announce that?

1651
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 2: Would anybody have a problem with it? The Bengals, They

1652
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: don't do things like that, But why not?

1653
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 17: Is there not some value in seeing what the best

1654
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 17: companies do and doing that at least a little bit?

1655
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 2: No nothing, making no sense.

1656
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Keep quiet, don't take care of your customers, don't shovel

1657
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 1: the seats, Just dust off the snow to the guy

1658
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: in front of you. Sit there on a home city

1659
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: ice and just sit there and freeze your testicles and

1660
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 1: know your role and shut your mouth and don't complain

1661
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: because next year things you're gonna be any of the

1662
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 1: same thing.

1663
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 17: You can think about it, but don't do it. That's

1664
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 17: why Joe Burrow last week was so sullen. It wasn't

1665
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 17: the current situation. It wasn't like, Okay, we're probably not

1666
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 17: gonna make the playoffs. It was knowing looking ahead, knowing

1667
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 17: it's not going to get better. That's when you lose

1668
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 17: all hope. When you know things you're not going to

1669
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 17: get better, hope. That's What he realized is what Bengals

1670
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 17: fans are.

1671
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: No, no hope. Do you have hope? Do you have hope?

1672
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 2: I always have hope. Say do you have hope? Yes?

1673
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 2: Who's gonna next win a championship?

1674
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,799
Speaker 1: Here we go every day, every day, the Reds World Series.

1675
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: Won't you ask yourself this and then we'll and then

1676
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 1: we'll respond. You see Bearcats win a national basketball title

1677
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: or third or Bengals win a super Bowl? Come on,

1678
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 1: putch one. FC wins the MLS. That's down in there too,

1679
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 1: f C.

1680
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 3: You f C.

1681
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: Name with the Reds because got the playoffs. All they

1682
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: had to do was beat l A in l A

1683
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 1: two or three games. That's all they had to do.

1684
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: Or some high school team wins a state check football

1685
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 1: championship around here.

1686
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 17: Way so, by the way, So the Reds couldn't afford Schwarmer, right,

1687
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 17: but they had a significant amount of money they're gonna give?

1688
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 17: Are they gonna then take that same amount of money

1689
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 17: and divvy it out the other free agents that are

1690
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 17: not Kyle Schwarmer.

1691
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: A lot of the players are arbitration eligible. They got

1692
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 1: to save the twenty mil from Martinez.

1693
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 17: We're talking a bunch of nonsense. Are they gonna spend

1694
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 17: money and get good players?

1695
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 10: No?

1696
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 2: Thank you? What's on the show? I don't know? Do

1697
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 2: you have hope? You winning a national basketball title? Is

1698
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 2: that good? My name's West. Don't get me in this mess.

1699
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Rock, we gotta run, Rock.

1700
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 10: What do you?

1701
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 2: You know what you have today? Or yeah we do.

1702
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 2: We got Grace Tucker from the Inquirer right out of

1703
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 2: the gate.

1704
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 4: We got Trags at four o'clock talking about the Bengals

1705
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 4: in the current situation, and much much more.

1706
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 2: Sake, give me out of sous You're core, will you?

1707
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 16: And honor of a nice day here at a tri

1708
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 16: State What's next? We leave you with the immortal words

1709
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 16: of the Stood Report.

1710
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 2: I've got some wise words for that Cincinnati mayor.

1711
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 12: Ain't no joke?

1712
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1713
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 2: Is that one? Operation Repo one of the greatest shows

1714
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 2: ever on television. It's Tete Pregnant. No, you predicted that

1715
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 2: a while back and it did not come true. She

1716
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 2: has to get married, is what I say. She has

1717
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 2: her own private island. By the way, you see this,

1718
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 2: Let's go, let's go, let's call, let's go, let's go

1719
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WL. Don't you