WEBVTT - Scott Sloan Show -- 10/28/25 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.160 To be the iHeartRadio AP take that wherever you want. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.000 You also stream it, but also podcast that. We're here 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:08.760 for you, especially if you're driving and stuck in god 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.280 awful traffic this morning. Yes, we had rain and we've 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.280 had some significant rainfall today and tomorrow. And you know 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.440 what that means. We're going to practice driving like morons. 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.279 All of us are going to drive stupidly. So we 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:21.520 have accidents and backups and all that stuff as well. 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:25.080 So hang type, be patient, and it is what it is. 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.920 So we jump in this morning with news a governor 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.560 a shutdown of course, approaching the thirty day mark, and 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.199 it's starting to become a growing liability for both the 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.080 Democrats and Republicans. So Republicans passed the Continuing Resolution, which 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.839 is basically kicking the can down the road to fund government. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:41.320 We do. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.400 That's all we do now is continuing resolutions and then 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.400 address it later on. And the threat of shutting the 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.479 government will happen in another seven weeks. So Democrats have 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.440 blocked it. They want enhanced Obamacare subsidies and want Medicaid funding, 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.080 and now with forty two million people set to lose 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:00.080 flo's assistance with snap benefits, on Saturday. Is anyone feeling 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.200 the pressure at all to get this thing wrapped up? 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.800 And I'll know too that congressional approval rating has plummeted 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.600 from twenty six percent, which is awful, to fifteen percent 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:15.240 in the past month. A fifteen percent approval rating. To 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.360 put that in perspective, the Cincinnati Bengals defense has an 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:20.840 eighteen percent approval rating. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.000 That's how bad it is. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.200 Kevin Burton is a political analyst at Crosstown Consulting in 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:25.920 northern Kentucky. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:27.080 Kevin, welcome back. How are you? 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:29.959 Thanks for having me, sloney. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:30.319 Appreciate it. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.080 Before we get into the national politics of this, I 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.440 want to put our local head on and I know 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.400 you isn't a keen observer of both sides of the 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.520 Ohio River. We have an election coming up in seven days. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.200 Mayor aft Ted Pureval has fired but not fired Chief 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.720 Thiji Terry Thigi, the police chief. They're going to take 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.000 until the end of the year. They've hired Frost Brown, 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.960 Todd and Company to poke and prod and find out 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.000 why they fired her. If that makes any sense, that 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.640 that doesn't have to make sense because it's politics. I 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.320 suspect that Aftab will not pay a political price for this, 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.400 and he'll get reelected. But you wonder about members of council. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.000 Somebody's gonna have to pay the price, and not just 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.119 Terry Thiji. I think would you agree or disagree? 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.560 So yeah, I mean for as mayor Aftabs going to 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.200 win reelection, you you know, you have about as good 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.240 as chances getting a date with uh Plly Berry as 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.480 astab Pas is losing, like it's not gonna happen, He's 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.520 going to win. The real question is going to be 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.320 there's a lot of legacy family names on the ballot 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.440 this time. Uh you know, you have a Mallory, you 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.160 have a dree House, Uh. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:36.799 You know, Lukta Cole is a well known name. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.120 So the question really is how many people vote, you know, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:47.120 let's say six incumbents, two or three of the you know, 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.640 non incumbents, and is that enough to get someone like 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:50.960 a Chris Smitherman. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.560 Or Liz Keating through the finish line. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.959 So you know, we can all speculate, but I would 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.000 say Chris Smitherman unless Heating are the two best to 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.480 break the stronghold of the Democratic All Council. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:07.919 And then you wonder who loses. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.160 I think last time it was council Member Anna Oldby 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.239 is the one who I think she was just above 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.880 that the threshold, right, the nine papose person to get it. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.320 And you wonder who it is going to be this 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.600 time for sure, But somebody's going to pay some price. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.160 There's just too many people running and there's too much upheaval, 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:28.760 and namely with this crime issue that's polarizing everybody. Aftab 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.320 will be just fine. But at the same time, politically speaking, 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.960 in seven days and I think he's pretty much a 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.040 lock at this point. No such thing. You never know, 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:40.640 But I just don't see the demand by people who 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.480 live in Hamlin County, specifically Cincinnati's saying, yeah, we got 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.040 to get rid of him. I don't know if the 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:47.800 alternative is better or not. I know a lot of 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.120 people are lobbing, but I'm not sure that works in 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.240 all blue Hamlin, deep blue Hamlin County. But I would 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:55.640 think he's going to be on somewhat of a short 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.600 lease with the new council coming in and go correct. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.800 Isn't that what he's going to have to pay politically, 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.040 is he's going to have to probably be a little 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.480 bit more in tune with what's happening and doesn't have 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:05.840 as much wiggle room as he used to. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.720 Well, I mean, first off, the city of Cincinnati voted 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.640 roughly seventy five to twenty five percent for Harris versus Trump, 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.600 So you can suffer a lot of defections and still 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.039 be completely fine, you know. For Astab, I think the 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:25.600 bigger issue is going to be the posturing of council 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.640 candidates after this election, because he's term limited out for 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.520 mayor and what's what's the number one thing politicians do? 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.160 They try to make themselves look better. 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:37.120 So I think for the next you know, two four years, 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.400 you're going to see a different council because now the 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.280 stakes are you know, there's more at stake because all 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.600 of them want to be mayor. So I think you're 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.280 going to start seeing more pushback, more, you know. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:51.839 Different thought processes. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.000 So it'll be interesting to see does the dismissal of 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.479 Terry Thiji play with the electorate. You know, we tend 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.080 to be a little more newsy and news cycle. I 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.520 mean I can smell BS a mile away. Uh you 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.159 can too. I think most people listening have a good 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:06.520 sense of that as well, because you look at this 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.120 makes no sense whatever, But the typical voter doesn't pay 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.960 that close attention. Do the optics of her dismissal or 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.160 I guess her suspension while I investigate what is it 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.680 she did wrong? Which is completely backwards? Does that actually 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:18.479 play with voters? 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:26.240 Well, we will see in seven days. Historically, no, I mean, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.279 you know, everyone always talked about how they're tired of 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.360 the status quo, you know, and all this. Ninety one 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:38.120 percent of the time, the better finance candidates win, ninety 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.800 percent of the time, you know, the incumbents win. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.640 Right at the end of the day, it's up to 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:44.280 the voters. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.240 And time and time again, voters for just have apathy 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:52.240 and they just keep voting for whoever's in office. Yeah, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.280 and no real change ever really happens. 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.359 Well, and then first of all, it's deep blue, so 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.080 it favors after pure vol has incombinated favors in. But 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.560 also the the money. He's over three hundred thousand dollars, 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.080 I believe Corey Bowman, the challenger has less than sixty. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.520 So that kind of tells you what he's up against THEREA. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.119 Let's shift to what's going on the federal government. Kevin Burton, 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:14.880 political analysts with crossdown consultings, upholster with the shutdown itself, 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:16.800 and now we're as I said at the beginning, I 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.960 think I hate you on to it's all theater. For 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.160 the first few weeks of the shutdown, it's nothing but theater. 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.960 Because eight percent of government is shut down. The other 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.520 ninety two percent is doing just fine. It's like letting 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.839 the receptionists go home early, turning the lights out in 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.080 the front office. But people are still working behind the scenes. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.400 It's just you don't see the forward facing stuff like 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.600 parks and trash pickup and stuff like that. There are 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.560 forty two million people, forty two million families set to 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.160 lose food assistance with SNAP shutting down on Saturday because 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.200 there's no funding. I asked, who's feeling the pressure at all? 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.480 Fifty percent blame Republicans, forty three percent blame Democrats with independence. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.960 It's about fifty one to thirty four Republican. And obviously 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.800 the reason why is because Republicans controlled the White House, 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:58.400 the Senate in the House, so that makes them the 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.400 more vulnerable party. But the numbers starting to shift relative 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:02.880 to people blaming Democrats with US. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.119 So yes, in the last three weeks it was substantially more. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:14.760 It basically went from thirteen points now down to seven. 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.280 You know, so the Republicans have closed the gaps, but 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.160 at the end of the day, I don't know how 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.560 much lower it's going to go because they do control 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.120 both chamber, and you know, frankly, both parties are gambling 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.840 with forty two million lives, which I mean, I think 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.480 that's the bigger issue that we should be talking about. 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.800 That Just get the job done. Like you guys are elected, 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.640 you are still getting paid. But if you're trying to 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.200 fly with TSA or anything, it's a nightmare. And I 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.480 just think the American people just want it done. Just 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.760 get the deal done. That's what you're elected, right. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.600 Democrats will say, well, we're getting some traction here because 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.000 you know, we're on the right side with healthcare. Americans 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.680 favor us and our plans with healthcare. Republicans really don't 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.000 have a plan. And we just had seven million people 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.080 will show up to attend a No Kings rally, whatever 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.400 the hell that was, that has no impact whatsoever for them. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.960 To look at the No Kings rally go A million 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.080 people showed up this week in the protest. They all 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.440 protested Trump for different reasons. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:17.720 Yeah, you know, no, and sometimes when you're the loudest, 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.840 it doesn't mean anything. It's you know, it's an echo chamber. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.480 The real question is how many new people did you get? 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.840 Because at the end of the day, Trump has figured 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:34.160 out that his model of it's fifty plus one, So 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.000 every single election is fifty percent of the vote plus 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.880 one more person. And he knows his basse, he knows 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.439 how to turn him out bigger than everything. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.880 And there is a lot of silent Trump voters. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.520 So you know, at the end of the day, Democrats 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:54.040 need to play the smart and frankly, you know, jakeem 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:58.600 Jeffries and Chuck Schumer have looked kind of like a 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.520 deer in a headlight. Regardless of what you thought of 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:05.560 Nancy Pelosi, she stood on she was a fighter, right, 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.560 Can you say the same about those two? 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:08.760 No? 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.480 No, The thing is if this shutdown extends in November, 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.000 we're closing in thirty five days is the longest period 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.640 we have with a shutdown. That's largely because of the 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.160 real cuts. We start to see the theaters at the 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.240 first few weeks. Now you're starting to see the real 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.440 results of the shutdown. People not getting food, and food 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.720 is instance. And like, if this extends into November and 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.240 we see the Obamacare premiums hit millions of Americans, which 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.559 party's better position to capitalize on that. You want to 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.559 say the Democrats, But with the leadership and lack of 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.520 direction they have, I don't think that's necessarily true to you. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.200 I would still favor the Democrats just because healthcare is 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.920 kind of their number one thing. And frankly, you just 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.760 said Obamacare. So if Obamacare goes up three you know, 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.280 three times under a president, you're going to be like, well, under. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:58.880 Obama was this. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.640 But I just think it speaks more of just how 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:08.600 in the last twelve years you can't get anything done anymore. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.400 No, it's so polarizing. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.120 That, you know, frankly, both sides need to concede a 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.640 little bit and if it's good for eighty five percent 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.000 of the country, just get the deal done. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:20.839 And if you're complaining and you're part of the no 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.240 Kings movement, which I know, we have a king because 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.319 he just does what he wants with executive order, it's 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.559 because of what we're talking about. The Congress is so ineffective, 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.560 so gridlocks and dead luck that they you know, we certainly, 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.319 Joe Biden had his share of executive orders. Now Trump 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.640 has exceeded that for sure, but that that's the new reality. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.840 Congress isn't doing their job. They're not legislating anymore. They're 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.920 just leaving good to the president and their guy via 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.200 executive order. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.760 And this is why we should have term limits in Congress. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.120 I mean, frankly, you have people in there who's been 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:58.040 in all like their careers have been thirty plus years 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.920 in Congress. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.440 Get out, you're too old, right, like sorry, Like I 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.760 just you know, it boggles my mind that we have. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:13.360 Term limits for governors, we have term limits for presidents, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:18.840 but heaven forbid, senators and representatives have terms now. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.600 Pilots, truck drivers, there's all sorts of occupations in the 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.120 real world where you can't work past a certain age, 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.880 and there's nothing wrong with that. But I don't understand 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.040 how an eighty plus year old lawmaker is relevant. And 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.080 you know, you got to explain them how an iPhone 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.679 works before you can actually address the issues of legislating 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.080 what that looks like, and no idea whatsoever. They're completely clueless. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.959 And those are the most senior people in leadership positions. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.080 The Shoomer's the world. There's just so many of them 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.760 right now, and I think we can do better, and 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.280 term limits are certainly part of that. Kevin, regarding this, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.280 at some point, do you think that there's going to 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.480 be cool or heads like, is it really going to 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.240 get to the fact that forty too many people won't 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.200 get snap benefits starting on Saturday? That's kind of like overplayed, 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.839 but that hits home for a lot of people, especially 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:05.640 with you know, go to the grocery store and seeing 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.080 like the cost of beef. You know, I'm nowhere certainly near, 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:13.040 thank god, receiving public assistance. I go to the store 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:14.720 and I see ground beef. I go, yeah, you know what, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.400 I like ground beef. But I'm good I'm not paying 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.520 those kind of prices right now. That that's really got 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.360 to hit home for these lawmakers. Do you see this 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.480 thing ending before Saturday that they're going to come to 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.920 a conclusion And if so, let's get down the path 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:26.760 of what that looks like. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.800 Well, and that's that's the billion dollar question. 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.520 I mean, gambling with forty two million lives is a 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:38.320 risky proposition for both sides. I don't have the data 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.400 of where those forty two million. 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:45.360 You know, voters are, but it's kind of like a kid. 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.959 You know, when you have an exam, you're going to 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.200 push it off, push it off, push it off. Well, 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.120 you know, Friday is kind of the date you have 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.040 to get it done by, and if you don't, then 0:12:56.080 --> 0:13:01.040 there's actual serious consequences. And this keeps going longer in November. 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.400 You know, the busiest time of the year to travel 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.199 is during Thanksgiving, so you're going to create even more 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:11.280 of a headache with TSA and the air traffic. So 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.520 to your point, starting Saturday is when you know it 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.320 really hits home. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.400 And we're seeing a fifteen percent approval rating. Fifteen percent 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:23.960 that has got to be close to an all time 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.200 low for Congress. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.600 Yet you know ninety percent of the incumbents will still win. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.760 It is you know, it's the complete It's just amazing that, 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.679 you know, we all agree that Congress isn't effective, but 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.520 then you know everyone turns around and just rubber stamps 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.679 them again. And I think the interesting thing is, and 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.000 you're kind of seeing this with up in New York 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.040 with Mindani and that in a lot of ways, the 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.280 Democrats are kind of going through what Republicans did you 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.880 know ten years ago that they felt like, you know, 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.160 party apparatus has sailed them, and there's kind. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.719 Of a revolt. You know, so like the neo liberals, 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:08.920 I want to be shocked if. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.520 He starts seeing maybe even Chuck Schumer and all these 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:17.360 older ones and get primaried because you know, because that's 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:21.040 exactly what Trump and you know, the Maga movement kind 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.000 of really did that, you know, simply they said that 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.520 we are tired of the status quo and you kind 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.560 of let us down the road and we've gotten nowhere. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.880 Thomas Massy a great example of that where you are 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.520 in Kentucky. To get out of this mess, they'd have 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.080 to strike a deal to save face. And I guess 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.640 if we're looking at the Democrats are talking about, you know, 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.320 we've got seven million Americans losing their healthcare. We're trying 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.840 to prevent that. We we forced Republicans to back down 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.120 from gutting Obamacare, and this is what we're fighting for, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.680 Republicans to say, you know, we want a targeted relief, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.760 we don't want more socialism, socialist expansion. We save hundreds 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.520 of billions of dollars, uh with you know, but by 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.160 gutting the by stopping this and restored responsible governance and 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.240 ended democratic obstruction cent So that's what both sides will say. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:07.480 Which is the winning messaging? 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.560 I mean, on paper, it should be the Democrats, but 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:19.680 they've played everything wrong against Trump for the last decade. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.640 However, So you know, if I was. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.000 The Democrats right now, I would say, aren't we raking 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.760 in billions of dollars in tariffs? And then that helped 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:33.960 pay for this? But they're incompetent. Their leadership is incompetent. 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.240 So if you ask me, I think Republicans will come 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.600 out of this probably, you know, absolutely, fine. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:41.480 Yeah, I would think so. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.760 It's just because the idea is and I think most 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.960 people realize, like, well, we're subsidizing something. 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.080 Okay, great, and I need it. I need it today. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.360 I don't care it's going to bankrupt the country because 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.400 we're just borrowing more money. It's way too ex healthcare 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.800 is way too expensive. We're subsidizing that. That's other people's 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.440 tax money that you're subsidized with. But you know, if 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.160 you can't afford to get cold or your fear that, 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.080 you know, my chronic illness is going to come back, 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:05.600 And I can't get coverage, and I'm going to fall 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.320 between the quack cracks and what happens. Everything I work 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:09.720 for is is gone. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:10.080 Right. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.560 I get the urgency, that's a different matter entirely, and 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.600 I could see where both sides everything, but but yeah, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.400 I think they just come to a conclusion. Go listen, 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.240 this has been too you know, if you get the 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.000 speakers together, the length and the pain of the shutdown, 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.240 it's been too long. It's probably we're gonna we're gonna 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.760 do something for thirty day, seven weeks, whatever it is. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.160 We've proved our point. It's time to govern at some point. 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:30.760 Somebody's got to do that, or both sides got to 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.320 do that, don't they. 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.400 He would think, So go to your job. Everyone else 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:37.360 has to do their job. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.120 I mean they're still collecting paychecks, so you know, it's. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:46.000 The rule for the but not for me. And that's 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:47.320 just the story of our Congress. 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.640 Where they can do insider training, where they can basically 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.960 do whatever they want and not actually have consequences. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:58.480 And yeah, I mean they need to get to work. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:16:59.680 I know that today. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.480 And Ohio, there a meaning about the constitutional convention of 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.760 all things, which is a whole political you know a 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.520 whole different matter entirely, but about getting control and our 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.080 arms back around our government that they work for us. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:10.639 Uh. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.560 You know you talk about no kings, but that would 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.800 apply to Congress as well based on what you just said. 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.960 Kevin Burton is with Crosstown Consulting. He's a political Anamson 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.879 polster in northern Kentucky. Kevin, thanks to the inside is 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:26.080 always good stuff. Thank you, Flney, appreciate it. By the way, 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.480 real quick, what if you're going to put odds on 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.280 this thing as a political guy, the odds of this 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.040 thing ending, the shutdown ending by Saturday is what what 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:34.879 would you put money on? 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.760 I would say sixty five seventy percent? 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.680 Okay, so seven out of ten chance that this thing 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.159 is done by Saturday, they fix it. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:49.719 I just think that you know, there's elections, you know, 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.080 in a week from now, so there's real consequences, and 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.680 you know you're gambling with forty two million lives. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.439 I think both sides will blank. You just have to. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.680 The optics on that are terrible. Kevin, all the best, 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.320 Thanks again, brother, Yeah, appreciate you. Right, let's get a 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.399 time out in we got a news update. Traffic is 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.240 an absolute disaster still in areas. Chuckle, have an update 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.040 for you a real time on that one as well, 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.000 And it's going to just continue to be wet here 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:15.640 for the next couple of days. Weekend for the little 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.040 trick or treat is looking pretty good though, uh, full 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.920 details in that in news in just about four here 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.639 and when we return, a case has been made with 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.440 an untimely death. As far as talk about bodily autonomy, 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:31.760 I'm going to make the case for being allowed to 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.600 sell your organs. And it has something to do with 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.199 the news happening over the weekend here. Local news for 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.960 that matter, just add sloanely seven hundred wlw it so 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.680 bearing down a Cat five storm headed right for the 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.080 mainland there and then breaking. I don't think we're gonna 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.160 it's gonna go to the US, but yeah, that's the price. 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.439 People go, Oh my god, Jamaica and the Caribbean, it's 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.119 so nice. I would love to live here, it'd be 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.520 amazing because of weather's so good. Then you get these 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.320 events and you know again there is a price to pay, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.240 even in paradise so to speak. So to speak, our 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.320 paradise paying the price of paradise here in Cincinnati involved 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.520 sitting in some bumper to bumper traffic occasionally. I don't 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.040 know a little bit of Ryan shouldn't be doing this, 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:10.600 but it does. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:11.320 But it does. 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.919 I just say, Kevin Burton on Political Analyst and Upholster 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.800 with Crosstown Consulting and the fifteen percent approval writing Congress 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.280 is approval writing down from twenty six to fifteen percent 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.400 in the last month, coinciding with the government shutdown. That's 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.840 completely unnecessary. And what it gets is, I don't know 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.399 what the point of this whole thing is. I'm not sure, 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.560 but you feel like, you know, people start not getting 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:40.560 their benefits and people who are in getting us a snap, 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.399 which I think that's misconstrued. I still thought some people 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.600 think that's this you know, well, yeah, today we get 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.760 those welfare queens off. Yeah, that models kind of changeable. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:51.040 But most of the people that are on this are 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.360 are people who have one or more jobs at least 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.800 they're working the working port for the example, veterans, seniors. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.080 So it's not who you think it is. Large, it's 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.280 still a sizeable group of people. And to think that 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:07.760 because of this posturing and the gesticulating on part of Congress, 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.879 the in effective Congress that people are going to go 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.440 without starting on Saturday. Now, I would think that at 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.800 some point here congressional leadership I both say said, look, 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.120 you know what, we can settle this thing. We'll kick 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:20.639 the can down the road, as we often do. But 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.560 once people stay cake at their food benefits, it's a 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:28.200 different story entirely. So I feel that real quick. I'm 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.080 sure you heard the story if you watch football this weekend, 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.920 and obviously you know watching that. I was watching the 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.840 Jets a little bit that Nick Mangold, and you may 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.120 know the name Nick Mangold is a retired two time 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.120 All Pro center from Centerville, Ohio. Stepped throwing day in Centerville. 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:47.040 And Nick Mangold had forty one died of kidney disease, 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.800 And you go, how is that possible? Did someone forty 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.440 one years old die of kidney disease? I don't know 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.200 the whole story, but it seems to me it highlights 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:59.600 the problems faced by the What over one hundred thousand 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:04.560 America is waiting for organ transplants, organ donations, And I 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.840 look at this whole model and go, okay, we've got 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.560 we know that you can live quite well, just fine 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:15.320 on one kidney, Okay, it's yeah, there's some risk involved there. 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:18.280 Most people go and I'm good with my two kidneys. 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.480 But why wouldn't you give up a kidney? We see 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:22.680 signs alongside the road hell where I live. I saw 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:24.760 there's a bunch of signs out someone else looking for 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.320 a kidney. Can you donate a kidney? All blood times welcome, 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:30.520 get your kidneys? Can you give a kidneys? I mean 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.040 stuff from kidney failure in life without kidneys is now 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:39.280 it's not sustainable. And even dialysis is a really really tough, long, painful, 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:43.159 horrible process. But if your kidneys fail, you either got 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:45.119 to get a transplant, which you can get another what 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.040 twenty years out of someone like Nick mangled can die 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.480 an old man with a new kidney, a replacement kidney, 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.480 or you're on dialysis for four to five years. You're 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:56.800 health of to Tier eight until eventually it die. Because 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.320 that is a descence. Even the machines can do what 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:05.400 the human kidney can and we lose. You know, there's 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:07.520 like we're short more than I think forty fifty thousand 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.920 kidneys a year in the United States, and that number 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.080 along I think forty thousand is that's how many people die. 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:17.080 More that kills more people than die in motor vehicle 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.560 crashes in the United States, I believe to put that 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.600 number to context, and the question is, oh, how do 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.159 you solve this instead of roadsides and the charity and 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.800 courage and kindness of others and strangers and the horrible 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.080 thing that Nick Mangold went through and died relatively young. 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:34.960 It gets back with the shortage is because in nineteen 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.960 eighty four we passed the law that said it's unlawful 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:42.200 for any person to require receive transfer any human organ 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:46.800 for valuable consideration, meaning money to be used in a transplant. 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.520 That you can't sell your organ. You can't sell a kidney. 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:53.880 Now you go, wait a minute, we need more kidneys, 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.520 not less. Hold on just a second, or let's apply 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:59.280 what is true well to a large degree, although Congress 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:03.600 strikes to change. Is the fact that it's a free market. Okay, 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:05.879 you have something that someone else wants. What is the 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:09.040 price for that good or service or kidney in this case? 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:12.040 And I've said this for a long time, and now 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.440 Nick Mangold is dead, and it's a reasonably current story 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.639 that the organ markets. If you sold stuff on a 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:23.960 free market. Think about the pain and expense of sitting 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.560 on dialysis or waiting for a kidney and not knowing. 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:28.600 I think you'd be flushed with kidneys quite us to 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:32.880 a certain point that if you legalize in this case, 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.840 organ markets are kidneys for that matter. You know, first 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.240 of all, it wouldn't be like you're out on eBay 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.040 or something like that Facebook marketplace looking for a used kidney. 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.200 You know your healthcare providers would buy this up, just 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:49.040 like they do with any durble medical equipment or medical supply. 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.359 Blood for that matter. You know, you go donate blood. 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.080 It costs the Red Cross, it costs hawks Worth money 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.480 in order for you to donate blood. You go in 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:01.320 and you should because we're always in a blood short 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.480 especially now, and it costs money to transport the blood. 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:10.439 It costs money for the labor supplies, utilities, rent storage alone, refrigeration. 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.119 All that stuff or something that's perishable cost a small 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:16.000 fortune in the billions of dollars. And what they do 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.520 is they would charge the hospitals who then mark the 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:20.280 blood up and charge you in your insurance if you 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:23.800 need a blood transfusion. Cost money to get blood because 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:27.200 it costs the people getting the blood. Now, am I 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:31.239 suggesting you charge people for blood? Well, we already are. 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:33.159 How is that any different than we're talking about this 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:35.920 way you're eliminating in the middle man. You do that 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:38.240 with plasma for example, I don't understand that. 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:41.960 You know, you can't. I can't make money off of 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:42.600 giving you blood. 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.200 But if I go down to the plasma center and 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.359 roll up my sleeve, I can donate my platelets and 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.600 somehow get paid for that. That doesn't make any sense 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.040 to me. And if we can do that with plasma 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:57.160 node bats and I what about your organs? Now you're going, well, 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.760 that's just just something wrong about that, is it really? 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:04.720 Because why? Well, because typically it's going to be poor 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:08.160 people that are going to do this. Okay, so you're 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.680 exploiting poor people, like maybe the ones who are talking 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:15.840 about people are on snap. Yeah, yeah, absolutely poor people. Well, 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.280 the risks of you know, you can live a perfectly 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.600 fine life with one kidney. Plenty of people do. You 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.120 can live normal lives and there's some minor risk. There's 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:24.960 always risk in well, but there's some minor health risks. 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:26.840 It's not like you can't you know, you gotta stop 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:28.720 drinking alcohol or and they're like, no, you can and 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:31.320 the life expectancy is about that with if you had 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.840 two kidneys. So if you're not paying out a pocket 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.040 and the LL risk is low, what is prevented? Well, yeah, 0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.399 it's just you know, it's so exploitative though, because it's 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.760 going to be poor people. Well, I mean, we assume 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.879 minor risks all the time in exchange for pay. Here's 0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:48.400 a grample for it. We're talking about Nick Mangold from Centerville, 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.560 the two time pro bowler who died because he couldn't 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:52.960 get a kidney because a kidney disease. 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:54.560 He's an halfl player. 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:58.200 Most professional athletes, most players in the National Football League 0:25:58.440 --> 0:25:59.680 come from poor backgrounds. 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:04.000 Okay, can you make a case and say. 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:07.960 That Nick Mangold, every single time he put that helmet 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.440 on risk his life risk serious injuries. We know that 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:15.359 in the course of a career, players in the NFL 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.720 lose about what three years of life with expectancy every 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.480 season they play because of what it does to your body. 0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.840 Look at Chris Henry right, the CTE and things like that. 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.520 So should we then saying well, you know this is 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:32.240 exploitative of the poor people. Is anyone arguing that poor 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.560 people should be banned from playing football or basketball or 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:39.800 baseball or whatever it is. No, that's not exploitative. They're 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:42.640 getting because of what it does they bring to the table. 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.359 They're getting money, and well have a lot of money 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:47.959 in exchange for That's where I think it's not exploitative 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:51.320 at all. So they asked to make something like eighty 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:54.000 thousand lives in the US could be saved by legalizing 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.320 the organ markets, particularly kidney mark kidney's a big one. 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.040 I don't find that exploitative at all. Let's say, I 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:01.680 don't know if you can get one hundred thousand dollars 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:03.520 for a kidney, Let's say one hundred and fifty thousand 0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:04.960 dollars for that, I don't know what a kidney would 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.200 go for one hundred thousand dollars. So there's someone who 0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.480 needs money we're talking about, you know, the snap benefit cuts, 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:14.800 healthcare and all that stuff. Wouldn't that go a long 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.720 way into lifting them out of poverty, all for the 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:22.040 minimal risk of donating your organ It seems to me 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:25.600 like that the kidney market would benefit poor people more 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.800 than it would harm them. I don't think that's flawed logic. 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.879 If I got a fifty grand for kidney, and it 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:36.360 probably be more than that quite honestly. Now you've got 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.800 something you need, which is money. I mean we all 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:42.640 need money, right, but especially if you're poor. You're looking, ah, okay, healthcare. 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:44.600 How am I going to pay for this? If the 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:46.960 snap benefits going, How'm gonna pay for this? I could 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.960 sell an organ? Now it sounds again, it sounds cruel. 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:51.320 It's like, oh my god, you had to sell an 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:55.080 organ basically, see the give up your organ or eat. Yeah, 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:57.800 but let's fase it that hundred grand. You'd probably go 0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.919 to Disney, you'd probably buy a better car, probably buy 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.359 some night clothes, maybe go on vacation. I maybe go 0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:04.919 to the casino. 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:05.200 I don't know. 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:09.439 It's your money. And if someone like that reason believes 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.640 the risk is worth it, why should the government force 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:17.200 that person to choose otherwise? I mean, you know, we 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.880 don't say, well, you shouldn't get a tattoo, you shouldn't 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.120 get a piercing, you shouldn't cut your hair that way. 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.280 You say, you know that's the nanny stay talking. Well, 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:28.639 you know it's it's ungodly. Well again, that's your business 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:31.000 and what you worship or choose not to worship is 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.000 your business? Quit good foisting that on me. What your 0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.760 sense of godly morality is is wrapped up in your 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:38.880 own thing, not mine. And if I look at it, 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:40.280 going wow, that's all well and good. But I think 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.120 God wants me to give up a kidney for one 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:46.160 hundred thousand dollars part of the prosperity gospel, right, same thing. 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.080 So I just don't see how this argument works out 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.120 that somehow it's exploitative and only poor people. Did I 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.800 know a lot about probably middle or upper income people 0:28:55.960 --> 0:29:00.640 go huh under grant for a kidney. I always wanted 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:04.200 that bigger boat. I was wanded that country club membership. 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.640 I was, I'm gonna go on that trip to Dubai. 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:08.640 I've been wanting to go on. For one hundred thousand 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.840 dollars and one less kidney. You're helping somebody out, You're 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.840 sustaining their life. You feel good about that, You feel 0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:16.920 great when that one hundred k hits your bank account. 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.160 Who the hell loses in this whole situation Because the 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.480 way it is right now, you've got forty thousand people 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.440 waiting on the list. In eighty thousand people essentially dying 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:27.880 from this Minnick Mangold's forty one. He's leaving behind a 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:31.200 wife and some kids. And I don't know the full 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:33.680 details of Nick Mangold and from the Jets and of 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.120 Center of the Ohio the football player, two time Pro bowler, 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.880 but it certainly made news this weekend, like how can 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:42.320 someone that young die so quickly from diagnot because his 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.720 kidneys failed that quickly. There's nothing they could do for 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:47.000 him save a transplant. But you got to get on 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:47.360 the list. 0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:47.960 You gotta wait. 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.320 And even then, it's a crapshure that makes no sense 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.240 to me. It seems to me that it's your body parts. 0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.120 If you want to sell them off, you should be 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:58.120 able to do that. This is some busy body government 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:00.840 over each crap to protect whom I'm looking at the 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.520 nineteen eighty four National Organ Transplant Act NODA, it shall 0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:06.960 be unlawful for any person nor only acquire, receiver, or 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.000 otherwise transfer any human organ for valuable consideration for use 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:14.600 in human transportation transplantation. If the transfer affects interstate commerce, 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.600 why are we regulating that? I mean, you know you 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.520 shouldn't be doing it in a back alley or something 0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:22.960 like that, and unlicensed doctors taking your kidney out, like 0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.440 those old internet memes from back in the day where 0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:27.200 I went to Vegas. Next thing, I woke up on 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.600 my bathtub and my kidney was gone, Like yeah, that 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:33.000 never really happened. That's just scaring people. But doing a 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.479 clinical setting and I take one hundred grad I think 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.600 about it, going I could help somebody make one hundred grand. 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:39.680 I've got a problem with that. 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.640 I don't know about other bodily organs, but the kidney 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:45.920 is one you could live quite a healthy life on with. 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.560 Just the one. Makes a lot of sense to me. 0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.640 Why are we fighting this? And it would because it's 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.920 market forces. The more demand there is for a kidney, 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.560 the more money you could gain from donating said kidney 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.400 or selling the said kidney, as opposed to waiting for 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.520 someone out of the kindness of their heart to donate it. 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.640 So I mean as well, you hear the stories and 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:08.960 you know it makes it happens locally. I had someone 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:10.680 in my show not long ago, Same Things, save their 0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.360 lifecause they got a kidney. It's a great story, but 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:16.840 how many, how many thousands of people die who never 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.600 get that kind of attention. It seems so just so 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.800 hit or miss quite honestly, I don't know anyway. It's 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.680 loanly here on seven hundred WLW coming up in about 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.200 ten minutes. It's a complete and full news update. Jason Philibaum, 0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:32.360 attorney at law, is here. What to expect from the 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:39.440 law firm investigating Terry Thiji. So the timeline, of course, 0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.800 as you know in this this stumbling, bubbling mess that 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.880 is our city government that Cincinnati is not paying forty 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:50.560 thousand dollars to Frostbond Tadde are really really well respected 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:55.640 law firm, but they've got forty grand and to the 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.120 end of the year to come up with reason as 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:01.240 to why they fired Terry Thichi. So you take someone, 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.840 you place them on paid administrative leave, meaning she's collecting 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.200 every bit of her two hundred thousand dollars plus salary. 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:09.840 So the taxpayers are foot and full bill for that, 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.200 and then they're footing the thirty thousand dollars for this 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:14.680 law for them to come in and investigate why they 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.320 fired her in the first place. Normally, you build your 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:19.160 case and you go, you know what, we're putting you 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.440 on leave until a final determination is made because we 0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.680 have reason to believe, Terry Thig that you're incompetent. You're 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:27.400 grossly in competent. It could be malfeasans, misfeasans, all the 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:28.000 feacens is. 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.520 Who knows what it is. But we've had enough of you. 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:31.400 You're done. 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.200 Instead, out of the blue, they just go, well, we're 0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:38.080 gonna put you on paid administrative leave and name an 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:42.120 interim chief, not a temporary but when you go interim 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.880 that is the chief who might become the chief or 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.560 maybe the chief between chiefs. But just calling it the 0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:53.760 interim police chief is wrong. If this is a suspension, right, 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.520 wouldn't the adjective you're looking for be like the temporary 0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:01.840 chief or acting chief. There's a difference in acting and interim. 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:03.960 And they even chose the wrong words. They made a 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:05.720 I mean, this seems like a hell of a lawsuit 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.720 on Terry Thigi's part too. If they do can her 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.480 and that wait a minute, essentially, no, no, we didn't 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:12.400 we suspend. Then why did you use the word interim 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:17.680 because interim basically means the stop gap between the old 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:21.240 and the new acting as well, this person is on 0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:24.160 sick leave where they're out or something. Okay, they're acting 0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:27.600 until that person gets back. You know, when the Reds 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:29.960 or well of the Bengals never do this, But when 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:35.320 the Reds fire managers, it's the interim manager. Okay, we've 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.400 fired Brown Prices out. Now the interim manager is you're 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:43.360 the bench coach until you get Terry Francona. If David 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:47.200 Bell would have gotten sick, and that sometimes happens, it'd 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:52.280 be the acting manager, not the interim manager. So even 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.840 choosing these words is stupid. It seems like you're setting 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.200 yourself a even greater lawsuit. And now you're looking at 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.239 the reasons why you let her go or suspend her. 0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:02.600 I guess, and you're going to pay forty thousand dollars. 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.000 And now they have to the end of the year 0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:05.400 to come up with the reasons why they fired in 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:06.880 the first place, So it's going to be months later 0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.360 the reasons come out as to why she is the 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.640 wrong person for the job and some of the scope 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.160 of the investigation. Are the questions to be asked according 0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.640 to the inquirer. Is she an effective leader and manager 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.360 of the department, including personnel and resources. Is she a 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:25.040 leader within the context of city government, meaning furthering the 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.760 broader goals and objectives of the city administration, Well, that's easy, 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:30.920 and that's a stupid question to ask to put in 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.759 their scope, because the broader goals and objectives of the 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.680 administration are simply to put up with crime, not put 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.960 people in jail, release them on low bond or no 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:45.080 owner cognizance, and essentially trust the criminal that they're going 0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.759 to report back when the When they don't, you just go, well, 0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:49.320 we'll go we'll get them eventually. 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:50.080 It's no big deal. 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.120 So those are the goals and objectives of the administration 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.680 that Terry will probably lay out. And if that's the case, 0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.000 and you are dancing to the piper, being after to 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:04.480 have purevoll and sure along, then you absolutely are furthering 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.360 the broader goals and objections to the city administration. Unfortunately, 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:12.880 when the broader goals and objectives are just drunk ass stupid, 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:16.520 as they had Ben at her aftab and cheer along, 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:21.160 she is the one that winds up drawing the short straw. 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.120 The music ended and she's without a chair. So she 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:25.920 did what they wanted them to do, I wanted her 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:28.080 to do. And then when they realized the policies don't work, 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:30.520 and it may sound good in theory and a piece 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.880 a whole bunch of community activists. Well, then guess what, 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:35.080 It's her fault, not mine. 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:36.359 And so it goes. 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:39.200 That is the price you pay when you kneel at 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:44.320 the altar of politics, as Terry Thigi's learning. Unfortunately, because 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:47.160 she had a long, great career thirty five years, nothing 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.640 in her jacket, nothing in her file indicates anything negative 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:51.920 or anything seriously negative has been done under thirty five 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.160 years as a cop in Cincinnati. And now after the fact, 0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:57.439 we've got to find in thirty five years something wrong 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.719 she's done to bring it to light to justify this 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.600 dumpster fire. Jason Philibaum, Attorney law, breaks that down and 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:05.520 tells us just how much more of the city's going 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:07.640 to be on the hook for meeting you taxpayers all 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.520 while after Ed gets reelected, probably just ahead on the 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.840 home of the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WWD Cincinnati. 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.000 Now your chance to win one thousand dollars entered this 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:18.880 nationwide keyword on our website. 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:22.880 Bank that's bank, You enter it now want to be 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:23.879 an American? 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.480 Thanks for joining Scott's loan here on seven hundred ww 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.000 and V the iHeartRadio app Take is Wherever You Go. 0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:35.839 So the news breaking not long ago that the City 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:37.959 of Cincinnati is paying a local law firm, Frost Brown 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:43.080 Todd forty k to investigate police Terry Fiji's performance after 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.560 they fired her. Normally, you investigate the performance, go okay, 0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.839 they got to go. This is completely backwards, and they 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.440 expect the law firm to be finished by the end 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.120 of the year. So it's going to cost us forty 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.600 grand and the city is still shelling out the full 0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.759 salary and benefits to Terry Fiji of in excessive two 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:03.279 high hundred thousand dollars. Because of this nonsense, she hired 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:07.279 her own employment lawyer, Stephen m and he has no 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:10.319 intention of allowing her to resign because she said there's 0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:12.880 nothing negative thirty five years on the job to the 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:16.520 date when she was removed. Thirty five years, nothing significant, 0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:21.799 nothing minor in her jacket, pretty exemplary thirty five year 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:23.120 law career that she's had. 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:24.719 So why now? 0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:28.320 And also there's some developing news overnight regarding the scope 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.800 of the investigation, what the law firm is going to 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.840 look for. Specifically, joining the show is attorney Jason Philibaum 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:35.719 who's been around the block a few times. 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:39.879 Jason, welcome, how are you good morning? Thank you doing well? 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.200 Yeah, this whole thing right away, it just just screams 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.839 like wrongful dismissal in a sense, because before we get 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:48.040 into the intricacies up at Jason Phillibom, I look at 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:49.680 this and go, Okay, I've been on the job for 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.480 thirty five years, and on my thirty fifth anniversary, I 0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.080 get noticed that I'm now on paid administratively. If I'm 0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:58.280 in Denver, Colorado, I get summoned back from this conference 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.640 to Cincinnati because I'm probably gonna get fired. And she 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:06.000 wasn't technically fired. She's unpaid leave. And it wasn't because 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.120 of something happened. I mean the Fountain Square issue. It 0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:12.479 happened days a couple of days after she left for Denver, 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:15.280 so nothing new was going on here. And then furthermore, 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:16.759 they come in and go, okay, we're gonna put you 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.759 on leave. We're going to name an interim chief. By 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.959 the way, not a temporary position, but interim generally means 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:27.640 between the past into the future. If it was someone 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.680 let's say that God forbid she were sick, there would 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:33.560 be someone temporarily there, right, So that would be someone 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:37.000 who is not an interim chief. There'd be another adjective 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.399 for that, it'd be acting chief. And so they even 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.279 chose the words incorrectly here. If you're not firing, she's 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.719 not fired, then why I have an interim chief? Does 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:47.759 that not help the legal case against the city from 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:48.320 Terry Thiji? 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.440 Yeah, I think so. I think this looks like a witchhut. 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.120 It reminds me of this guy that had one hundred 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.239 arrows in the side of his barn and he was 0:38:57.320 --> 0:38:59.200 asked how he did it, and he said it was easy, 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:01.880 an arrow into the side of the barn, and then 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.160 I go ahead and paint the bull's eye around it. 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.360 And you know what I think you have here is 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:10.080 you have a situation where you know they they want 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:10.520 are gone. 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:11.439 I mean that's clear. 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:15.000 And instead of just terminating her and worrying about whether 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.480 they have to pay out a contract or not, they 0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:21.040 then hire a law firm, you know, approximately one hundred 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:22.400 to one hundred and twenty hours. 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.719 Of work to essentially investigate her. 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.439 And you know, I can tell you, you know, being 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.960 around the block, as you say, you know, if you 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:35.160 start investigating someone that has thirty five years of experience. 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:37.839 You know, you may not find something illegal, but I'm 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:41.080 pretty sure you're going to find some policy that's been 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.840 broken that everybody breaks, and then that's going to be 0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:47.080 their linch pin. But it sounds to me like there's 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.920 some issues in Cincinnati and they're using her as a scapegoat. 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:51.759 Well, it's not easy to dismissible gig. 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:54.000 Well, we investigated and we found this in your jacket, 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.480 which should be you know, essentially it's already something that's 0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:58.480 known but didn't rise the level of termination. As a 0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.239 matter of fact, the argument, Steven m would be, well, 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.400 not only did you know this because it's part of 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:06.680 you also promoted her in rank to the chief of police, 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:09.200 So you're complicit in this whole thing. You're fining her 0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:12.040 for something you had no problem that she did at 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.400 the time. You can't that's revisions. 0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:15.000 You can't do that. 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:16.880 I mean that that's going to cost the money, isn't it. 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:22.640 Yeah, And that's the process I think they're they're going 0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:24.520 down here that I'm not sure is going to be 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.520 wise what they're trying to do. I mean, they want 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.200 her gone, like you said, They even use the word interim, 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.640 so she's gone, she's not going to resign, and so. 0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:35.000 They're going to want a terminator. 0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:38.319 Now, in Ohio, we'ren't at will state, so you can 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:41.600 terminate someone as long as it's not based on some 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:45.320 you know, legal reason, race, gender, national origin, et cetera. 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:47.560 But she is probably under a contract. 0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:51.560 So if that's the case, then they can only terminate 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:54.600 her from that contract for just cause there's. 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:55.799 Got to be a good reason why. 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.719 And it could be policy, you know, some type of 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.920 policy being broken. Obviously, it could be something illegal, or 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.760 it could just be mismanagement of the you know, the city. 0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:08.080 So those are things that they're going to be looking for. 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:10.800 And you know, the the issue with that too is, 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.400 you know, we do know that crime is up, and 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.640 we know that violent crime is up. But her Herney 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:19.799 said the other day that she's offered to sit down 0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:22.440 with the mayor and the judges to talk about, you know, 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.480 these these bonds that are being given because that could 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:29.080 be one situation that why crime is up is essentially, 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:32.279 if someone gets arrested for a violent crime and is 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.520 back out on the street, you know, a few days later, 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:36.960 you know, crime is not going to go away, and 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:39.759 and it looks like, you know, an election year, you're 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.200 now having a situation where the that's let's get rid 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:45.399 of the police chief, and that's why there's all these 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:49.080 problems going on in Cincinnati instead of may be you know, leadership. 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.120 I don't think you have to be a political analysis, 0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:54.280 simple political mind like like a Willie Conningham, James Carvill 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.879 or something that right where they for the regular voter, 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.120 for the rank and five or the typical construction to 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:01.640 what they see this they see right through. And I 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:04.800 think every man and woman who doesn't have a jurisd 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:08.560 doctorate is not educated in law like like you are, 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.520 Jason Phillibaum. I mean I look at it and go, 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:12.200 they're doing a dirty. 0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:15.799 Yeah. And I think that's what a lot of people 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.880 are thinking. Now. You know, play Devil's Advocate for a second. 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.279 You know, crime is up. We talked about that. Is 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.560 there something she should have been doing that she's not? 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.240 I mean, is she not you know, putting the police 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:31.160 in the right position. Are her subordinates telling her that, 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.360 you know, you should you should put police here, you 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.880 should maybe do some kind of burst here, And then 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.960 she just decides she's not doing that and as a result, 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.759 you have this issue on Fountain Square, you have these 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:43.440 other issues. 0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:46.080 Now that might be a legitimate thing. I mean, and 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:47.440 maybe that's something we don't know. 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.319 Again just playing devil's advocate, But even if you look 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:55.680 at what her attorney said, is the FOP I think 0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.359 is backing her. So I would think that if her 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:01.520 subordinates were telling her to do things and she was 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.080 just flat out of ignoring them, I'm not sure that 0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:05.879 they would have that backing that she has. 0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:09.240 Yeah, he is attorney Jason Philibaum, the very latest involving 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.279 territory THIJI. Now we're hiring a law from a local 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.120 law from Frost Brow Todd, pretty good firm that they're 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:16.839 going to do some deep diving and try and find 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:21.799 out the reasons why they fired her before. Yeah, as 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:26.440 you said, you know, this is shoot first, asked questions later. 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.399 I guess the Inquirer came out with this this morning. 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.520 The scope of the investigation. This is what the lawyers, 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.640 the team for the city outside Council is going to investigate. 0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:37.800 And now there are four prongs to this thing. Is 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:40.200 she an effective leader and manager of the department, including 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:42.880 personnel and resources. Is she a leader within the context 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.919 of city government, meaning does she further the broader goals 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:49.040 and objectives of the administration. Has she committed any infraction 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.879 or positive violation while serving as police chief, and did 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.560 she disregard best practices in the running a CPD to 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.960 the detriment detriment of public safety and crime prevention. Well, 0:43:58.040 --> 0:43:59.920 let's start with the first one. Is she an effect 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:04.200 leader and manager of the department, including personnel and resources? 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:07.080 That seems like an open ended question, like if there 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.239 were problems with her management personnel of the previous chief 0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:13.920 notoriously had issues with that when I guess it was 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:17.920 before Craig Notoriously had problems with that too, and it 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.040 was public. So but believing I heard of that at 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:23.080 Chief Thiji, you know, the rank and file really split 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:24.879 on it, really didn't care for her all that much. 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.120 But once they did what they did to her, they 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:30.839 realized they could come next. And now everyone, even her detractors, 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:34.120 are supporters, so they rallied them. So to look at 0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:36.120 this and say is she an effective leader or manager? 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:37.960 You can say that of any boss, can't you? 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.080 Right? Exactly? And I call that fuzzy math. 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.760 You know, that's the law school exam where it depends 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.480 on who's paying me. That's the answer I give you. 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:49.520 Know you're paying me on this one side, I tell 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:51.600 you why she's an effective leader. If you're paying me 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:52.240 on the other. 0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:53.960 Side, I'll give you all the reasons why she's not. 0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:58.200 I mean that's again I don't think that's what this 0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.480 is going to fall down on, because again you said 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.239 that it is so vague, it's so fuzzy that you know, 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.560 if they want to decide that she's not a good leader, 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:09.960 they're gonna they're gonna find reasons to justify that, just 0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:12.640 like if you want to find that she's a good leader, 0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:15.520 you'd find the reasons. So you know, the first two 0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.400 that you mentioned, those prongs that those both both are 0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:22.000 very fuzzy, math fuzzy sort of law school exams where 0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:24.680 anyone can answer anything. I think the crux is going 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:28.160 to be number three, which is is there an infraction? 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.279 You know, is there something that she did that she 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.800 not follow a policy. I don't think there's any allegation 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:37.520 of criminal wrongdoing, So it's going to be something something 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:41.240 you know, so minor that and that's where she's gonna 0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:43.879 then get into court and say, look, other people have done. 0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:46.920 You know, other people forgot to call in on day 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:49.919 that they were taken off and they were allowed to stay. 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.320 But I'm getting fired things like that. And then of 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:56.040 course number four, I mean, that's that's I think the 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:58.799 one that's a little bit more serious. You know, there's 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:02.279 a problem in cincinnat with crime. Whose fault is it? 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:04.840 Is it the mayor's is it? The judges? 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.560 Is that the police chief? You know? Is it society? 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:10.000 I mean, what's the problem? 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.640 And I think it'd be interesting to see if there's 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:15.640 something that she should be doing or something like you said, 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.880 best practices that she didn't do. That would be the 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:22.080 one that would you know, sell me yes or no, 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:24.719 as opposed to the other three prongs that you know 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:26.240 they can find out of anybody. 0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.319 Now, Jason Philibel' attorney at law, relative to the four 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.399 pillars of this investigation by outside Council for the City 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.279 of Cincinnati to towards Terry Thiji, you mentioned number three, 0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:38.160 is she's committed any infraction policy violation while serving as 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.400 a police chief. If she had and it rose to 0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.680 the level of an impeachable offense, wouldn't we have heard that? 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:46.000 I mean, typically you know, when someone commits a crime. 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:49.440 Let's look at what happened with the NBA recently. What 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:52.319 happened was Cashpattel. The FBI held a press coomf if 0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:54.799 they had the evidence, they made the charge that Okay, 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:58.240 here's we're coming at these individuals. We're going after Chauncey Belcher, 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.440 going after other individuals because this is the evidence we 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.040 have in this case. They're going, well, it'd be like 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:06.160 them going, yeah, well we're suspending Chauncey Develops and now 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:07.680 we're going to do an investigation to find out what 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.680 he did wrong. That's the problem with this is that 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.480 if you in any other case, with due process, and 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:14.600 I think it applies you to a degree that if 0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:17.759 you committed an infraction, you make those charges allegations, you 0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:20.120 suspend them all, you investigate the scope and the depth, 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.239 and then eventually you terminate that person because now you've 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:24.080 gathered the evidence. 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:25.600 This is completely the opposite of that. 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:29.120 Right, And that's why I think a lot of people 0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:31.440 look at this and say that's not fair. You know, 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:35.000 you don't arrest somebody and say go find me a crime. 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.640 The crimes committed, then you arrest them, and then you 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:42.880 either investigate further or prove or disprove that it happened. 0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:46.759 What's not fair is to essentially take someone out of 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:48.839 a position and look for something. 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:49.319 That they did wrong. 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.560 And you know, I would think, you know, if they 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:57.520 did something wrong, you wouldn't have the city manager talking 0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.760 about what a great thirty five years, what a great. 0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:02.479 Person this is, and we wish you the best. 0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:05.480 I think I think that was the statement when they 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:07.839 put her on leave, is you know, what a great 0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:12.400 sellar career. If there's truly an infraction worthy of dismissal, 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:13.960 that's not the statement you. 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:14.600 Put out there. 0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:17.919 So that tells me they probably don't know if there's one, 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.200 and they're now looking for one so they can hang 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:20.800 their hat on it. 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:21.160 Yeah. 0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:24.000 Yeah, our tires at nineteen ninety eight, we're touching a 0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:28.520 handicapped spot. Accidentally, she didn't close the cover before striking 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:30.480 when she was trying to light a candle some matches, 0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:33.600 and she tore the mattress tag off of her seiling. 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.400 Those don't rise to levels. The reason you get fired 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:37.880 because everyone does that. 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:41.759 Right exactly exactly, and that's what that's what they're looking 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:43.640 for now again so they can find it. 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:44.280 For cause. 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:49.640 Now I think again the legitimate, legitimate investigation would be 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:53.080 number four. But again that's not something that I would 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:56.880 do post termination or in this case just suspension. 0:48:57.440 --> 0:48:58.919 Is what is is she doing wrong? 0:48:59.040 --> 0:48:59.839 Why is the city? 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:00.160 You know? 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:05.359 And maybe that's a good investigation, you know, find tell 0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:09.080 me why Cincinnati crime was going up? And see if 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:12.000 we but to sit there and take the police chief 0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:15.120 out and then do that investigation. That seems again putting 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:16.600 a little bit of the cart before the horse. 0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:19.040 Well, it seems like, you know, they're turning under a stone, 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:21.680 the stone over, but when they kick the stone, a 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:23.080 lot of things are going to run. I wonder how 0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:25.279 much of those those bugs come back to bite after 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:28.160 a puerval. Because two and four of this four pillar 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:32.480 investigation by Brown Frost Todd is she too is is 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:35.320 she a leader within the contextas city government, meaning furthering 0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:37.600 the broader goals and objects of the city administration? Number 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:39.879 four is did she regard best practices in the running 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.400 of CPD? I don't know if that's just best practices 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:45.520 by police standards. No pot of standards or best practices 0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.600 is set forth by number two the administration because that's 0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:51.319 the sticky part is when she interviewed for this job 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:54.160 three years ago, Jason Philbamma was looking at some of 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:56.800 the interviews she did. She said her biggest priority was 0:49:56.840 --> 0:50:01.840 to continued diversity, equity and inclusion within the Cincinnati Police Department, 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.360 how to lift people up. And she also had to 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:08.520 get the blessing and interview essentially with Iris Rawley, who 0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:13.200 we've seen in recent time investigated and get herself involved 0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.480 between a suspect a subject who was being arrested for 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:20.520 violating probation and was essentially interfering with the business of 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:23.560 a police officer. She had an interview with her to 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:25.800 get this job in the first place. So when I 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:29.239 hear that and then see what's happened with owner cognisance 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:32.600 people cutting their ankle monitor off and there's no repercussion 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.200 from the court for that, essentially doing what they say 0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:37.359 they weren't going to do. Literally within minutes of leaving, 0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:38.759 the people who have been jammed up and all this 0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:42.960 high profile violence, save maybe the brawl, there's other factors 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:44.800 in there. And now that was handled as a nightmare 0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:47.040 that wasn't on the chief, but everything else was Like 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:51.080 people who had violent prior criminal offenses that were precluded 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:53.560 from having a gun because they're under disability by law, 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:56.560 it's not her to set those policies. 0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:57.319 That's on the mayor. 0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:00.160 So they're doing this investigation. I wonder how much this 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.080 is going to come back and implicate have to apeer 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:03.919 volunteer loan. 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:07.880 Yeah, I agree, And if you look at I think 0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:10.279 the mayor put out a statement. He put out a 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:12.919 statement that he had nothing to do with his firing. Again, 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:16.840 I find that to be maybe a little disingenuous, because 0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.680 why in the world would a city manager three weeks 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:23.720 before an election terminate your female police chief without talking 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:26.239 to the mayor. That would be a very dumb move. 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:29.080 So I would think that there was a discussion ahead 0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:31.080 of time. But like you said, there's a lot of 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:34.520 factors to consider. You know, is she pushing dei and 0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:37.319 that's why there's not enough police on the street. Maybe 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:40.959 that's a legitimate decision to, you know, talk about whether 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:44.120 that's the appropriate way to handle policing. You know, but 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:48.200 recently the city also engaged in a federal settlement where 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:51.640 they are changing the way they're policing. 0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:53.400 I mean, that's that could be a. 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:55.719 Very real reason for why things are going up, you know, 0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:58.880 having bonds, like you said, someone that commits a violent 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:01.719 crime and has let out, Hey, that's that's not on 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:02.600 the police issue. 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:04.080 That's not on her exactly. 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:07.080 I could see when she's falsifying reports and people aren't 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.640 showing up, and she's backdating payroll. I mean, those are 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:11.560 the things you're definitely going to get you and should 0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:15.239 get you fired. But essentially the vision by this administration 0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:18.839 is criminals are victims too, has led us to this point. 0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:21.120 That's not on Terry Thiji. That's on the people who 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:22.080 hire Terry Thiji. 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:23.880 Exactly. 0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:26.759 As I said at the beginning of this talk, it 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:29.680 sounds to me like a skateboat. It sounds to me like, 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:31.960 you know, we're two weeks out from an election, and 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:34.120 I've got to tell the people that there's a problem, 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.000 and I fixed the problem. And now, by the way, 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.080 that's hired these really good attorneys to go in there 0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:41.680 and find out what the problem was, and then I 0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.040 can match it up and say, hey, did a good job, 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:47.400 which of course won't come out until after the election. Anyway, 0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:49.120 it's going to take two three months to do a 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:52.840 thorough investigation whether it's legitimate or whether it's brought up 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:54.520 after the facts, so I. 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:56.720 Don't think we're going to know anything. We'll probably January 0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:57.520 after the election. 0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.480 Of course, that's what this is about, buying some time 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:01.319 for the election. But it really doesn't because it makes 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:04.160 them looking competent and stupid. Uh and not the first 0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:07.400 time either. I would also add this finally, Jason Philibam, 0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:10.560 attorney at law, if you're representing, if you're on Team Fiji, 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.640 are your eyes now glazing over with the millions and 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:17.200 millions of dollars should possibly be getting in because quite honestly, 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:20.320 the way this whole thing was executed, it's seemingly, in 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:23.200 addition to the two hundred k she's making, could wind 0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:25.080 up getting a help of payout to sign a non 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:29.160 disclosure agreement because if she doesn't sign an ndayn'enforce an NDAH, 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.040 then then she can roll over on this administration and 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:33.719 really let the go south. 0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:34.880 And they don't want that. 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:35.520 Yeah. 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:40.160 Yes, her attorney's firm is well known for suing cities 0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:44.000 and municipalities and going after them and then you know 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:47.120 that's been a lot of expensive lawsuits and if they 0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:49.719 if they end up getting, you know, something that they 0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:53.280 can hang their hat on. Then you've got attorney fees 0:53:53.760 --> 0:53:56.640 in play, and that's a pretty penny that the Cincinnati 0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:57.440 have to pay out. 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:01.000 So yeah, there's there's a I guess is there's going 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:01.200 to be. 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:04.399 A settlement some way through the process, because otherwise it's 0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:05.800 going to be expensive for somebody. 0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:06.319 Yeah. 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:09.080 Yeah, if the Finny law firm were like the Bengals defense, 0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:12.360 we wouldn't be having conversations about not making the playoffs 0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:14.240 and firing coaches, if you know what I mean, because 0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:17.280 they are tenacious. If anything, he is an attorney, Jason 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:20.440 Phillibaum a private practice of course, attorney himself, just kind 0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.279 of a different view, a different set of eyes on 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.719 this issue right now because it doesn't pass my sniff test, 0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:28.800 and it certainly doesn't pass Jason's either. Jason, all the best, buddy, 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:29.600 thanks for jumping. 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:29.919 On this morning. 0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:31.360 I appreciate it. 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:34.359 Thank you over at Jonas and Phillibaum, Thanks again. Quick 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:37.600 time out, we'll get a news update. And the controversy 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.520 that they wish, we're kind I hate when we've got 0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:43.359 enough controversy in the world. What is controversial about what's 0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:45.279 happening at the White House relative to the East Wing 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.719 Because it feels like people are pushing this narrative like 0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:51.840 we should be all worked up into a froth about this, 0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.680 and I just maybe it's just me. I don't see it, 0:54:54.719 --> 0:55:02.359 and I'll tell you why next seven hundred WLW. One 0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:06.400 of the big stories this week is the demolition of 0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:07.520 the East Wing of the White House. 0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:10.279 With the government. 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:13.600 Shutdown, with the snap benefits then getting cut and FAA 0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:18.120 and executive orders and effectless Congress and our deficit and 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:21.680 debt growing exponentially and so much more going, does anyone 0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:24.960 actually give a flying bleep about the East Wing demolition? 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.560 I mean, you talk about a story to me that 0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:33.759 is just I don't know. It feels like it's like 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:37.680 the no Kings people impressing this entire story. You see 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:42.480 what he's doing, you see I don't know. As you know, 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:46.040 I have some issues with Trump specifically, you know, the 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:49.560 executive power, the spending of money we don't have, the 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:52.280 tariffs and where they're going, what's going on with healthcare. 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:55.480 There's like a thousand other questions out ask Trump and 0:55:55.840 --> 0:56:00.200 question what he's doing and the motives behind it. So 0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:02.920 much with the East Wing, like I just legitially don't care. 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.080 I know the timing sucks. With this cutdown and the 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:07.000 shutdown and the cuts and all that time, you get 0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:08.800 the timing sucks. But you know, when you signed a 0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:11.959 construction demo contract and you get as you know, after 0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:14.440 the anchors dried, you know, you move forward with the project. 0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:17.400 You don't really have a choice. I carry you. 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:20.080 There's a lot of things with the executive branch and 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.319 executive power I care about more, much, much more than 0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:28.759 the East Wing. This is not on the radar, but 0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:33.400 I'm fascinated by all the gnashing of teeth and crying 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:36.680 about it. Is that, Well, what are they upset about? Well, 0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:39.560 they're taking this historic part of the it's the people's house, 0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:42.520 it's the people's and they're destroying it. They wiped out 0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:45.680 the entirety of the historic East Wing. Is it really 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:50.600 that historic? Because it was Teddy Roosevelt that built the 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:53.279 Easting It's not exactly going back to Washington, it's not 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:57.160 going back to seventeen ninety two here now. Granted it 0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:58.880 has a lot of history occurred in there, and they 0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.200 had to cut some trees down there named after President's 0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:05.560 I get that, but is it really like you're destroying it? 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:07.719 Didn't like take the White House and coolly level of 0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:11.400 put a Trump Hotel up. Okay, that would be outrageous, 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:16.760 But the East Wing in and of itself put into context, 0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:20.920 here's a sillinity argument. So the White House is about 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:24.280 fifty five thousand square feet fifty five thousand square feet, 0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:26.360 which is like the size of. 0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:30.120 I mean, I was gonna say, like it's. 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:33.320 Smaller than a wal Mart for crying out loud. It's 0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:35.800 six stories, there's one hundred and thirty two rooms. There 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:38.200 are thirty five bathrooms. So if you got a pee, 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:42.920 White House would be a good place to be. Comparatively speaking, 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:46.840 if you look at comparable places, I guess in democracy, 0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:52.800 Buckingham Palace comes to mind, grants the Palace the King, 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:57.040 but that is essentially fifteen times larger than the White House. 0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:00.480 Now there is ten Downing Street. Downings Street is where 0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:02.320 the PM is, and that's about thirty eight hundred scrive. 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:06.760 It's an apartment, basically, it's townhouse. It's about less than 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:08.960 ten percent the size the White House. But again that's 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:11.120 the figure out. That's a prime minister, primeacy, important job. 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:13.720 But you know it's about royalty, the British throne. So 0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:16.040 bucking and you know, Okay, you've got Downing Street, but 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:20.200 you think of that as the center of democracy for 0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:22.840 the government of the UK, for the British government. But 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.080 Buckingham Palace, if you've ever been there, I've toured it 0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:27.760 on the outside anyway, changing the garden all that, it's massive. 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:31.240 It's fifteen times beside the White House. The Rostrapati of 0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:34.960 Bevon in India is about two hundred thousand square feet. 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:35.280 So what's that? 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:37.640 Four times? Four times is the large of the White House. 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:40.800 So comparatively speaking, the White House is kind of like 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:42.840 in the middle. It's very mid as far as the 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:47.120 size of the executive branches of government. But it's hard 0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:49.720 to compare to you know, I don't know the Kremlin. 0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:54.040 It's hard to compare to other forms of government and 0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:58.479 what their I guess their palace would be the version 0:58:58.520 --> 0:58:59.840 of their white House, if you want to call it that. 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:01.960 So it's kind of hard to compare because you have 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:06.120 different types of governments. So here the White House kind 0:59:06.120 --> 0:59:08.640 of like modest size. It's like a modest sized building. 0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:12.000 And okay, I put this in perspective right because in 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:15.959 America we thought we love space, you know, so they'll 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:18.240 remodel pay Course Stadium. Were they gonna they're gonna put 0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:20.040 smaller seats and know they're gonna put bigger seats. If 0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:22.439 you've ever gone to a place where I mean it's old, old, 0:59:23.120 --> 0:59:26.840 and they haven't updated on anything, you realize so quickly 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:29.920 how uncomfortably crowded it is because it's built for smaller people. 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:33.280 Today we get you know, when Teddy Roosevelt puts this in, 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:35.960 then the population was much much less and therefore fewer 0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:38.880 people would be gathered to the White House. And so 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:40.800 if you just look at some and I'm like, here's 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:42.640 what we've lost at the East Wing, I'm looking at 0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:46.480 pictures going that place was way overdue to be blown up. 0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:50.520 Then the East Wing had a movie theater, the Presidential 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:53.320 theaters there, and there's pictures. Oh my god, look at 0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:56.600 this historic area that for the last roughly one hundred years. 0:59:57.680 --> 1:00:01.160 It's one hundred years old. The theater itself is like 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:03.760 literally four seats across, and then they have like some 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:05.000 folding chairs in the back. 1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:06.080 It looks janky as hell. 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:10.560 They have this image they keep showing Obama is running 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:12.000 bow his dog at the time when he was a 1:00:12.040 --> 1:00:14.800 puppy and they have another image there, I guess from 1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:16.600 that would be looked like the sixties or seventies where 1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:19.240 they had all these garish looking red Christmas trees up 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:20.720 and then the main Christmas tree mult they call it 1:00:20.800 --> 1:00:21.880 Christmas tree at the end. 1:00:21.840 --> 1:00:22.160 Of the hall. 1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:24.400 But if you would have walked down the middle of that, 1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:27.960 you'd have to kind of swivel your hips. You'd have 1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:32.640 to kind of do the side by side wall, you know, 1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:35.000 like swing your hips through to not hit the Christmas 1:00:35.000 --> 1:00:36.400 tree on your left and right to get down that 1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:38.840 hall like it's that narrow, Its like could only be 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:42.440 maybe twenty twenty five feet across. The real problem is 1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:45.320 hosting an event. And I talked to someone who used 1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:48.080 to work in the White House in news and news 1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:50.240 media and said, yeah, you know, you don't really see 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:52.160 it on TV because all the airs of the White House. 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:53.800 You may get the tour and everything, but the day 1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:56.280 to day, the operational the executive mansion is different than 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:59.320 what we're talking about. Where stuff gets done and it 1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:02.200 isn't aoriously cramped like there's a room for nothing there. 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:05.400 It's so small and you've got so many people. We've 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:08.200 added bodies, people have gotten bigger. You've had a more job, 1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:11.480 more titles and jobs, and that adds to the bloat 1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:14.320 and size of government. And the White House essentially functionally 1:01:14.360 --> 1:01:18.000 has stayed the same. And so I kind of get 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:22.520 that that if you add on this which dwarfs the 1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:24.400 White House, it does look it does make it look 1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:28.520 like a double take. But you have a ballroom that 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:31.160 size seems about right in a sense because you're hosting 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:33.280 all of these world leaders and all these events, where 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:35.160 in the past you could have a few of them 1:01:35.200 --> 1:01:37.520 in there, but largely you had overflow and the tents 1:01:37.560 --> 1:01:39.840 on the outside. It was just it's not laid out 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:43.160 very well. And so if you have a building that's 1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:46.560 that old and that small, I kind of get it, 1:01:46.840 --> 1:01:49.520 you know. And the other element here too is Truman 1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:52.720 is the one who really brought this thing into the 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:57.280 twentieth century. It was a huge renovation that lasted like 1:01:57.360 --> 1:02:00.640 four year, made major changes. But even since the true renovation, 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:03.240 because the White House was starting to fall apart, you know, 1:02:03.360 --> 1:02:06.240 Jackie Kennedy put the Rose Guard, Trump leveled the Rose Garden, 1:02:07.040 --> 1:02:09.320 But okay, well what was the Rose Garden before Jackie 1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:12.439 Kennedy or you know, Gerald Ford added a swimming pool. Okay, 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.640 what was that before? He had to knock some trees 1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:19.200 down to do that. Nixon converted the swimming pool into 1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:22.640 the briefing room. So he changed that and added a 1:02:22.680 --> 1:02:24.200 bowling alley. By the way, I don't know. I think 1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:28.560 the bowling always there and something else now. So each 1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:32.360 administration is coming and done something sizably markedly different. Then 1:02:32.440 --> 1:02:35.080 now this is huge compared But if you think about 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:38.680 those changes in context, this looks about right. Like I 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:40.960 can't help but think if you know, there's another term 1:02:41.000 --> 1:02:43.160 of Biden, let's say, or come on and they decid, Yeah, 1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:44.919 you know what, It's just it doesn't serve our needs. 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:47.120 We need to We didn't make this place bigger because 1:02:47.160 --> 1:02:50.320 we're having a lot of state dinners, we're having events 1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:51.800 that require a lot more people there. 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:52.600 We need more space. 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:56.560 And even in our daily lives as Americans, you know, 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:59.120 look at how the size of the house you grew 1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:01.560 up in verse unless you live on the West side, 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:01.920 doesn't matter. 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:02.520 It's the same house. 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:05.600 But the house you grew up in, how much different 1:03:05.600 --> 1:03:07.120 in your house is today, how much more space you have? 1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:12.280 When I first uh started dating Michelle, and I think 1:03:12.280 --> 1:03:14.480 where I actually married at the time. She and I 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:16.960 grew up in Buffalo, New York, and so we were 1:03:17.040 --> 1:03:18.960 back visiting and like you know, showing around, you know, 1:03:19.040 --> 1:03:20.600 you do that thing you show you grew up and 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:22.840 stuff like that, and literally the house that we grew 1:03:22.920 --> 1:03:24.760 up and I was a kid like, man, Okay, this 1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:26.800 is the house I grew up in. We drove past 1:03:26.840 --> 1:03:29.320 it because I knew the addressing, k know exactly where 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:32.720 it was, and I drew past it because I didn't 1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:35.600 recognize it. I'm like, wait a minute, hold on, just 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:37.600 a second. Like my mom, my dad, me and my 1:03:37.720 --> 1:03:41.400 brother and my little brother three three we lived in 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:48.520 that house, Like how did we fit in there? In 1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:51.280 the backyard, I remember me a massive, huge backyard. 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:55.000 It was tiny. And so that's true. 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:56.920 Right, we move on, we would get bigger things. Americans 1:03:56.960 --> 1:04:00.080 like bigger. We like more space. I don't understan on 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:01.200 how this is in the play to the East Room 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:04.320 of the White House, and you know, it's one of 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:07.960 those things where and I've been critical of Trump, but 1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:10.600 I get critical of things like he can control and 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:12.560 what he told us and what he's not doing, and 1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:15.960 the government getting bigger and being more irresponsible, not more 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:18.520 responsible and doing stupid things and missteps and all those things. 1:04:18.600 --> 1:04:23.000 That's all fair, but this apocalyptic coverage of the dismissed 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:25.520 the we're just mantling them destroying the White House, the 1:04:25.600 --> 1:04:27.520 East wing of the White House. It's the worst thing ever. 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:30.720 It's a it's just a remodel. It's an architectural decision. 1:04:31.600 --> 1:04:33.919 Like there's many of the things I won't worry about 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:37.360 more in this administration and in politics in general, like 1:04:37.400 --> 1:04:40.880 the shutdown, and the East Wing doesn't even meet that. 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:42.600 And I get, you know, it's like, well, we're going 1:04:42.640 --> 1:04:44.520 to make a small change. It turns out next thing, 1:04:44.560 --> 1:04:46.800 you know, two days later, the entire East Wing has gone. 1:04:47.800 --> 1:04:49.080 And I get it. 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:52.200 The excuse was that while we decided, once we got 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:54.120 in there, it's just going to be cheaper and easier 1:04:54.440 --> 1:04:56.120 to knock the whole thing down to build this ninety 1:04:56.120 --> 1:04:59.520 thousand square football room is in addition, okay, and I 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:03.240 think they probably knew that going into it, but shows 1:05:03.560 --> 1:05:06.520 selectively to go, oh, yeah, we got in there and 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:07.960 it was a mess, and they said this is the 1:05:08.040 --> 1:05:10.040 easiest thing to do. So it's too late, because you know, 1:05:10.080 --> 1:05:12.640 if you'd said that weeks prior, someone to come in 1:05:12.720 --> 1:05:14.880 and try to stop. You know, somebody was Chuck Schumer 1:05:14.920 --> 1:05:17.280 would have chained himself to the east wing to send 1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:19.760 a message and over my dead body are going to 1:05:19.840 --> 1:05:21.280 do this kind of you know thing. We've seen the 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:24.240 taper tantrums before, but it's a three hundred dollars may face. 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:27.680 And the other element, too, is the concern that corporations 1:05:27.720 --> 1:05:31.400 are footing the bill for this, and how wrong that 1:05:31.680 --> 1:05:35.720 is it really? Because you know, I recall every other administration, 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:39.160 Republic Democrat, they get stuff done by going to their 1:05:39.320 --> 1:05:43.640 donors and benefactors in order to get stuff done. To me, 1:05:43.760 --> 1:05:45.600 this is a little more refreshing and though, okay, how 1:05:45.680 --> 1:05:47.480 much is this costing? Three hundred million dour? But we 1:05:47.520 --> 1:05:50.960 already have two hundred million dollars from big companies that 1:05:51.120 --> 1:05:53.240 want to do business with the government. Now if they 1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:55.840 get a fat contract or something, they certainly there's quid 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:58.480 pro crow there and it doesn't look good, but countless 1:05:58.680 --> 1:06:00.600 and this is how things work in Washington, is how 1:06:00.680 --> 1:06:02.960 things work in our government, sadly, is that you got 1:06:03.040 --> 1:06:04.480 to pay to play. You got to get paid it 1:06:05.160 --> 1:06:07.040 just because you donate I don't know, ten or twenty 1:06:07.080 --> 1:06:09.200 million dollars to this cause doesn't mean you're gonna get 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:12.800 that in return. And most of the experts say, yeah, 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:14.600 it's kind of an on'mgoing process. Like the big boys 1:06:15.120 --> 1:06:18.280 continually throw money in, which is why they donate to 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:20.360 campaign You look at the campaign financing. Why do they 1:06:20.400 --> 1:06:22.600 give equal amounts to Democrats and Republicans or a little 1:06:22.640 --> 1:06:24.160 more a little less to the side of that Side's 1:06:24.200 --> 1:06:26.280 because they got to keep everybody happy. They got to 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:28.880 streat spreading the fat cash around, so they keep everybody happy. 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:32.040 This is nothing different. I guess the relieving part is like, man, 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:35.360 we don't have to pay three hundred million. And I 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:38.800 would also point out too that from those progressives out 1:06:38.800 --> 1:06:40.640 there that think this is the worst thing ever and 1:06:40.760 --> 1:06:42.880 why this is so wrong because these companies are paying 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:45.480 in office, how often do we often we hear about 1:06:45.600 --> 1:06:48.000 these big companies and the CEO of fat cats, the 1:06:48.040 --> 1:06:51.400 fat cats, how they get those money? They don't pay 1:06:51.400 --> 1:06:53.520 any taxes? How did they give it anything back? They're 1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:54.920 a drain on the system. I got to pay tax 1:06:54.960 --> 1:07:00.000 they don't have to pay taxes. Okay, well, if you're 1:07:00.120 --> 1:07:03.720 giving back this money essentially to build a white House, 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:05.400 that will be there or he's doing that will be 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:08.960 there in the future. Isn't that kind of giving back? 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:11.960 So is it hypocritical for you to talk about the 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:15.080 breaks these companies get. These corporations get and they get 1:07:15.120 --> 1:07:16.760 hand out of hand and they don't do anything, but 1:07:16.840 --> 1:07:19.400 they know they're not paying tax and not paying their 1:07:19.440 --> 1:07:23.080 fair share, and they do something like this. You're also 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:25.960 against that, Like, it's not like me and you and 1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:27.880 a bunch of poor people handing money out. It's not 1:07:28.000 --> 1:07:30.280 like all this three hundred million is going to come 1:07:30.320 --> 1:07:33.800 from the tax revenue that we don't have to pay 1:07:33.880 --> 1:07:36.800 for this. It's being paid for by private donations. Now 1:07:36.880 --> 1:07:39.920 do they want some trying to ingratiate themselves with this administration? 1:07:40.000 --> 1:07:42.959 There's no question about it. But it's not like Trump 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:45.320 invented this. This has been going on since day one 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:49.360 and in Congress and in the White House, Like, what, 1:07:49.760 --> 1:07:52.040 how is this any different than what previous presidents have done? 1:07:52.440 --> 1:07:54.640 You know, give to my foundation, It's well, okay, if 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:57.760 I'm giving to the I don't know the Clinton Foundation 1:07:58.440 --> 1:08:00.720 or the Obama found or the Biden whether foundation is 1:08:00.760 --> 1:08:02.320 how am I not getting special treatment there? 1:08:03.680 --> 1:08:04.000 Okay? 1:08:04.240 --> 1:08:04.439 Yes? 1:08:04.760 --> 1:08:07.360 And then then when Republicans do it, Democrats yell, and 1:08:07.400 --> 1:08:09.600 then when Democrats do it, Republicans yell. I get that, 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:12.320 but you know, to me, it seems like we're winning 1:08:12.440 --> 1:08:15.720 because literally the companies are paying for this, the same 1:08:15.800 --> 1:08:18.400 companies who say don't pay their fair share. 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:19.320 Don't understand. 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:22.400 I'll get a news update in about five here on 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:25.679 seven hundred wwho, Scot's Loan Show and Winter Turn eleven 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:28.800 oh seven. Here's a conversation that normally I would not 1:08:28.880 --> 1:08:32.000 want to have with this person. Nick Crossley is the 1:08:32.080 --> 1:08:36.240 Hamlin County director for the Emergency Management Association or agency. 1:08:36.280 --> 1:08:37.800 I guess it would be here in Hamlin County. 1:08:38.800 --> 1:08:38.920 Uh. 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:41.559 Normally, if I have Nick Crossley on it's because all 1:08:41.600 --> 1:08:43.880 halls breaking losts we have a flood, we have tornadoes, 1:08:44.880 --> 1:08:46.720 an earthquake, we have a forest fire. I don't know 1:08:46.720 --> 1:08:48.920 if we have a forest fire, maybe the mount Airy Forest, 1:08:48.920 --> 1:08:51.160 I don't know. But nonetheless, he is the guy who 1:08:51.240 --> 1:08:54.880 heads up our emergency management agency. Don't want to have 1:08:55.000 --> 1:08:57.280 Nick Crossley on the radio because that means stuff's going down, 1:08:57.400 --> 1:08:58.040 if you know what I mean. 1:08:58.479 --> 1:08:59.760 This time I did, though he's in d C. 1:09:00.120 --> 1:09:03.120 And here's how jacked up FEMA is speaking of things 1:09:03.160 --> 1:09:04.840 we should pay attention to, not so much the East 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:05.120 wing in. 1:09:05.080 --> 1:09:05.559 The White House. 1:09:06.160 --> 1:09:07.080 Did you know this that. 1:09:10.800 --> 1:09:15.640 A lot of areas of the country who have to 1:09:15.880 --> 1:09:18.320 get FEMA money. Now we've got some from flooding and 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:20.519 stuff like that, but they're like, I think like a 1:09:20.600 --> 1:09:22.280 third I got the numbers here in a second or there. 1:09:22.320 --> 1:09:24.759 I think it's almost like a third of the counties 1:09:24.760 --> 1:09:27.040 in the United States something like that get a billion 1:09:27.080 --> 1:09:29.320 dollars or more in FEMA relief last year or the 1:09:29.360 --> 1:09:31.360 last couple of years. Goes to show you just how 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:33.879 many problems we have when it comes to natural disasters 1:09:33.920 --> 1:09:35.600 and the like that we need the money for that. 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:37.960 A lot of these communities, and this would be Hamelin County, 1:09:38.000 --> 1:09:42.200 Butler County, Warren County, and Campbell and Canon Counties for 1:09:42.320 --> 1:09:45.320 that matter, of Switzerland County, that if you had natural disaster, 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:49.479 you'd actually have to go borrow money, borrow the money 1:09:50.640 --> 1:09:53.559 to foot the bill for the for the emergency relief 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:55.559 from FEMA until the FEMA check comes in, and then 1:09:55.600 --> 1:09:59.439 you'd pay the bank back with interest. So wait a minute, 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:01.320 double hit, I gotta pay interest to the Mario A. 1:10:01.360 --> 1:10:01.599 Barer. 1:10:01.720 --> 1:10:02.800 I thought FEMA was there for that. 1:10:02.960 --> 1:10:04.880 They're looking to reform the whole system as the point, 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:07.559 and he's in d C four that's important. It's one 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:10.040 of those things where like I don't really care, well, 1:10:10.280 --> 1:10:12.519 you know what, if it hit the fan, then you'd care. 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:15.439 And now's the time. And we talked about government being 1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:18.639 reactive not proactive. Fortunately, people like Nick and the other 1:10:18.720 --> 1:10:21.160 people that are on this task force going to d C. 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:23.280 And he's in DC right now. As he will tell you, 1:10:23.439 --> 1:10:25.439 this is important. We got to do this now because 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:27.240 FEMA is really screwed up. We got to make the 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:31.519 process easier, not harder, if and when a natural disaster 1:10:31.640 --> 1:10:33.599 hits our area here in southwest Ohio. He is next 1:10:33.680 --> 1:10:35.320 on the show right after News on the home of 1:10:35.320 --> 1:10:38.000 the best boundals coverage seven hundred WWT since then towards 1:10:38.040 --> 1:10:41.040 the US. If you look at it, go back in 1:10:41.120 --> 1:10:43.000 the year that we have all the numbers, and on 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:45.719 twenty twenty three, about a third of all US counties, 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:48.879 a third of US counties experience at least one federally 1:10:48.960 --> 1:10:51.679 declared disaster exceeding a billion dollars in damage. 1:10:51.680 --> 1:10:52.560 That is incredible. 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:54.920 Think about that a third of all counties in the 1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:58.320 United States of America every year. We're pretty lucky here 1:10:58.439 --> 1:11:01.920 in southwest Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky. But if and when we 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:04.400 need help, there's horror stories about the process of getting 1:11:04.439 --> 1:11:07.200 relief from FEMA. Nick Crossley is the Hamlin County Director 1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:09.800 of Emergency Management. He is in DC right now, part 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:13.439 of a task force meeting with federal leaders about disaster reform. 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:14.360 Nick, Welcome, how are you. 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:17.679 Oh, I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Good morning. 1:11:17.760 --> 1:11:18.040 All right. 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:20.479 On this topic, this may be the one time where 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:22.240 I would like to talk to you. 1:11:22.439 --> 1:11:24.400 Typically in the course of your job as the head 1:11:24.520 --> 1:11:27.800 of the emergency management of Hamlin County, I would not 1:11:27.920 --> 1:11:30.040 want to talk to you. So if I ever have 1:11:30.120 --> 1:11:32.160 to talk to Nick Crossley, We've got problems, you know 1:11:32.200 --> 1:11:32.679 what I'm saying. 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:34.400 I do, I do. 1:11:35.520 --> 1:11:36.519 Wait, We're pretty lucky. 1:11:36.640 --> 1:11:38.920 I mean, you know, the weather's pretty temperate here is 1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:43.080 save maybe some tornadoes, I suppose, earthquake, But as far 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:45.080 as the rest of America goes, we don't have to 1:11:45.120 --> 1:11:47.560 worry about fires and hurricanes and stuff like that. 1:11:47.640 --> 1:11:48.200 We're pretty good. 1:11:49.600 --> 1:11:52.720 Well, we do, although we do have what are called 1:11:52.800 --> 1:11:55.599 duratio events, which are highland you know, several years ago 1:11:56.120 --> 1:11:56.880 around eight. 1:11:56.960 --> 1:11:58.080 It caused a power. 1:11:57.840 --> 1:12:01.240 Outage of over one hundred thousand people. That we have 1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:04.920 the river flood. It flooded just this last March, caused 1:12:05.439 --> 1:12:07.599 several hundred thousand dollars worth of damage along the river. 1:12:08.840 --> 1:12:10.880 And then of course we're starting to have more higher 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:14.040 impact snow events and then of course extreme heat. So 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:17.240 it's pretty much it's pretty much year round for Hamilton County. 1:12:17.479 --> 1:12:20.040 But comparatively with those third of counties to get a 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:22.280 billion dollars some damage, we're not anywhere near that amount, 1:12:22.320 --> 1:12:25.920 thank god. What is the doomsday scenario that you prepare for? 1:12:27.120 --> 1:12:29.960 Maybe flooding, extensive flooding. I suppose a big wind event, 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:32.519 but that's kind of temporary blizzard And okay, we might 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:34.960 get a blizzard as we did back in the eighties. 1:12:35.000 --> 1:12:37.240 But what's the one thing You're like, Wow, if this hits, 1:12:37.280 --> 1:12:38.120 we're in trouble. 1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:38.680 What would it be? 1:12:39.720 --> 1:12:41.479 I think the biggest thing is similar to what happened 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:43.519 in Montgomery County a couple of years ago on Mother's Day, 1:12:43.560 --> 1:12:46.360 which would be that large scale, multi vortex, multi county 1:12:46.439 --> 1:12:49.960 tornado that would come through. Because of our population density, 1:12:51.080 --> 1:12:56.040 you're we're pretty much completely developed in Hamilton County almost 1:12:56.600 --> 1:12:59.160 and so if anything like that happened in Hamilton County, 1:12:59.200 --> 1:13:04.160 we would have incredible both initial the initial response would 1:13:04.160 --> 1:13:07.680 be intense with trying to help rescue people, and then 1:13:07.760 --> 1:13:10.759 of course the short term stabilization if we have Friday 1:13:10.800 --> 1:13:13.320 and temporary housing, and then of course long term recovery, 1:13:14.040 --> 1:13:16.640 which would be one of the most challenging things. And 1:13:16.760 --> 1:13:19.320 long term, both short and long term recovery is where 1:13:19.439 --> 1:13:23.280 working with our state and federal partners comes really into 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:27.080 play to ensure that we have a system nationally that 1:13:27.200 --> 1:13:29.000 can assist the county in its recovery. 1:13:29.120 --> 1:13:31.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was thinking as you're talking there, Nick, 1:13:31.320 --> 1:13:33.960 the seventy four Xenia tornadoes. Some people like a xenio 1:13:34.040 --> 1:13:37.599 iiO flattened to decimated, but there are several touching down 1:13:37.640 --> 1:13:40.400 in and around cbg SO and much less populated than 1:13:40.479 --> 1:13:42.960 seventy four than it is today. But imagine having those 1:13:43.040 --> 1:13:45.840 kind of tornadoes in Hamblin County. The results would be 1:13:45.960 --> 1:13:49.080 absolutely mind boggling as far as the death and devastation go. Nick, 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:51.120 You're in DC right now with this task force, and 1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:54.320 it's the reform or introduced I guess reform, but it's 1:13:54.360 --> 1:13:55.000 the FEMA Act. 1:13:55.040 --> 1:13:55.360 What is that? 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:55.840 What's that do? 1:13:57.280 --> 1:14:01.200 So the FEMA Act is really an attempt to work 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:05.200 with Congress, and it is they're looking for a companion 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:07.840 bill in the Senate, but so it has passed the 1:14:07.920 --> 1:14:11.879 House committee. It's an attempt to fix the system, reform 1:14:11.960 --> 1:14:15.400 the system, not do away with the system, both including 1:14:15.520 --> 1:14:18.400 FEMA and the system as a whole. And so what 1:14:18.560 --> 1:14:22.920 it would do is, oftentimes counties post disaster have to 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:27.720 find the money, borrow the money, funt the money to 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:31.639 pay for a disaster recovery, and then eventually, within months 1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:33.599 or years, you finally get reimbursed by. 1:14:33.560 --> 1:14:36.080 The federal government if you get a federal declaration. 1:14:36.960 --> 1:14:39.240 And so what this would do is it would turn 1:14:39.280 --> 1:14:41.840 it more into a Once you create the estimate of 1:14:41.880 --> 1:14:44.559 what it's going to cost the recovery, FEMA would provide 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:49.360 grants immediately, so that because every government struggles depending on 1:14:49.479 --> 1:14:51.880 I mean you're talking hundreds of millions of dollars that 1:14:52.040 --> 1:14:54.519 the government would have to find to pay for these 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:58.559 projects upfront. So would reform that process. It would also 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:02.400 for survivors of as is, create one application for all 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:05.799 There's there's dozens of programs available to people post disaster. 1:15:06.400 --> 1:15:08.680 So this would create one application that would go to 1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:12.000 all the agencies and the other entities that assist so 1:15:12.120 --> 1:15:13.840 that they don't have to go to multiple websites or 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:17.280 multiple phone calls. Another thing that it does is it 1:15:17.400 --> 1:15:20.559 provides a loan interest payment release, so if a government 1:15:20.680 --> 1:15:22.840 does have to take out a loan, that you can 1:15:23.000 --> 1:15:25.360 claim that interest as part of the reimbursement from the 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:30.120 federal government. And then and then finally it works with 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:33.120 FEMA to create a public facing dashboard. So this is 1:15:33.160 --> 1:15:36.760 the accountability piece, the transparency piece, so that people can 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:40.240 see where the funding is going, what their government is receiving, 1:15:40.320 --> 1:15:42.200 and what their government is spending and on. So that's 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:46.400 really really important with public assistance. 1:15:47.120 --> 1:15:50.519 Yeah, and you're advocating for universal disaster application, that makes sense. 1:15:50.560 --> 1:15:52.240 You should be a portal. You go in, you fill 1:15:52.320 --> 1:15:54.160 it out, and all the agencies go to there to 1:15:54.200 --> 1:15:56.600 get the information they need. The fact that you have 1:15:56.680 --> 1:15:59.320 to go to each individual agency for aid is at 1:15:59.360 --> 1:16:00.920 this day and age, which is insane. 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:06.000 Correct with with the advent of speaking candidly with AI 1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:09.679 and other things that can analyze data and really help 1:16:09.760 --> 1:16:12.960 you walk through which programs you're eligible for whether it's 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:16.160 a loan or it's a grant, that's critical. 1:16:15.840 --> 1:16:20.800 To residents, and and and our our citizens are already. 1:16:20.520 --> 1:16:23.320 Stressed out from having their property damage or maybe that 1:16:23.479 --> 1:16:26.360 maybe they've gotten hurt or family members have died in 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:29.120 the disaster. So this is one way that the federal 1:16:29.160 --> 1:16:32.400 government can assist with relieving that stress and trying to 1:16:32.479 --> 1:16:33.880 help our residents recover. 1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:37.160 Does this suggest the fact that we've got to reform this, 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:40.720 Nick Crossley, that counties don't know where their applications stand 1:16:40.760 --> 1:16:42.320 in the whole process right now, Are you just like 1:16:42.439 --> 1:16:43.280 kind of left in the dark. 1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:46.320 It's it's a it's a tedious process to be to 1:16:46.439 --> 1:16:49.040 be candid, and it always has been. And I don't 1:16:49.080 --> 1:16:52.519 know that that's if anybody's fault per se, because you know, 1:16:52.680 --> 1:16:56.160 you have to have accountability while you're asking for these funds. 1:16:56.720 --> 1:16:58.519 But I think one of the key things to point 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:03.639 out is that federal declarations are the are the are 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:06.400 the one percent, if you will, of declarations handed out 1:17:06.400 --> 1:17:10.799 across the country. Most disasters in the US never qualify 1:17:10.880 --> 1:17:14.479 for state or federal assistance. And so when you're when 1:17:14.479 --> 1:17:16.080 you're talking about this kind of event, this is the 1:17:16.200 --> 1:17:18.680 extreme This is the Montgomery tornado on Mother's Day a 1:17:18.720 --> 1:17:22.000 few years ago. This is the both Montgomery County a 1:17:22.040 --> 1:17:23.479 few years ago on Mother's Day, and then of course 1:17:23.520 --> 1:17:26.160 the city of Montgomery tornado a few years several years ago. 1:17:27.000 --> 1:17:30.640 What a couple of I think, yeah, ninety nine, you're right. 1:17:31.000 --> 1:17:33.439 And so these are that level of disasters. So you 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:36.920 have both extreme impacts to your residents and your citizens, 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:39.600 and you have extreme impacts to the local governments. And 1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:43.840 a major disaster can cripple a local government. And so 1:17:44.000 --> 1:17:45.880 this is an attempt to work with Congress on a 1:17:45.920 --> 1:17:50.320 reform process because there is a role for the federal 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:54.040 government in helping our communities recover from disasters. I mean, 1:17:54.120 --> 1:17:57.120 as you know, these are our tax dollars that we're 1:17:57.240 --> 1:18:01.120 using to help communities recover. And and in my belief 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:03.679 this is this is why one of them we formed 1:18:03.720 --> 1:18:05.760 a union, you know, two hundred and fifty years ago 1:18:05.920 --> 1:18:08.800 for many reasons. One of them was in bad times 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:12.160 as well as good And this is why this declaration 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:17.439 process is critical and a FEMA is really critical to 1:18:18.160 --> 1:18:19.400 the country's resilience. 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:22.120 Does this and FEMA is one thing, but what about 1:18:22.160 --> 1:18:24.559 mutual aid? Does that impact that at all. 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:27.280 It's it's not really impacting this. 1:18:27.360 --> 1:18:30.160 So mutual aid is that initial response I was talking about, 1:18:30.200 --> 1:18:32.720 and that's where we all come together, our forty nine communities, 1:18:33.080 --> 1:18:36.000 in our in our local neighboring counties, and also the 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:40.000 states that if we need that immediate response, that mutual 1:18:40.000 --> 1:18:43.800 aid is virtually automatic to make sure that we can 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:46.720 rescue people and get them out of harm's way. This 1:18:46.960 --> 1:18:49.080 is more looking at the short and long term recovery 1:18:49.120 --> 1:18:52.479 so that so that communities and our residents can recover 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:55.280 hopefully as quickly as possible. 1:18:55.760 --> 1:18:59.280 Nick Crosley's the Hambling County Director of Emergency Management Director 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:01.200 Emergency mand for on the county's in DC, part of 1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:05.880 a task force to try and reform FEMA. Because third 1:19:05.920 --> 1:19:08.519 of all US counties experienced this is twenty twenty three, 1:19:08.560 --> 1:19:10.879 one third of all counties in the United States experience 1:19:10.880 --> 1:19:14.840 at least one federally declared disaster that exceeded a billion 1:19:14.960 --> 1:19:18.080 dollars in damage. To put that in perspective in today's dollars, 1:19:18.120 --> 1:19:21.639 these Xenia tornadoes from seventy four would be well over 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:24.920 one point five billion dollars today in today's dollars. To 1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:26.639 show you the scope of this thing, and that's happening 1:19:26.720 --> 1:19:29.240 a third of all counties, which is mind boggling itself. 1:19:29.240 --> 1:19:32.120 And it sounds like, based on a whole bunch of factors, 1:19:33.200 --> 1:19:36.080 weather change included, that these things are getting more frequent 1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:36.799 and more intense. 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:42.160 Oh, definitely, And I think again also the density of 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:47.080 Hamilton County today versus the Montgomery Twitter ninety nine versus 1:19:47.920 --> 1:19:51.640 other disasters that we've had. Everything is impounded. And then 1:19:51.680 --> 1:19:54.679 of course in today's world, with the cost of goods 1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:56.559 and other things going up, in the cost of flavor, 1:19:57.120 --> 1:20:01.040 it's even more increased. And so it'sticle that we share 1:20:01.160 --> 1:20:04.679 this recovery process with our federal and state partners. 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:07.519 Well, Nick, you're calling for this reform right now, but 1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:10.519 disaster damages are closing in on two hundred billion dollars 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:12.920 right now, and that number continues to climb for the 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:13.880 reasons we talked about. 1:20:14.000 --> 1:20:15.519 Is FEMA even equipped to handle all this? 1:20:17.360 --> 1:20:19.160 Oh, I definitely think because when you think FEMA, you 1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:20.519 think of the entire federal goverment. 1:20:20.520 --> 1:20:22.920 It's the same thing with the county has an Emergency 1:20:22.960 --> 1:20:27.680 Management agency, but that's that's ten people the county. The 1:20:27.800 --> 1:20:31.000 agency works with all of the other agencies and departments 1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:33.920 in county government and state to respond to a disaster. 1:20:34.040 --> 1:20:36.519 It's the same thing with FEMA. So FEMA has X 1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:39.320 amount of staff, X amount of programs, but it works 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:41.640 with the entire federal infrastructure and then of course with 1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:45.400 the Congress to allocate the funds. So I think they're 1:20:45.439 --> 1:20:48.600 more than capable of it. I think that it is 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:51.640 definitely time for some when we've been calling these for 1:20:51.760 --> 1:20:54.320 these reforms for many, many years, that we have an 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:58.560 opportunity here with the Fixing FEMA, Fixing Emergency Management for 1:20:58.600 --> 1:21:02.400 Americans Act, the FEMA Act, that to make these changes 1:21:02.400 --> 1:21:05.200 and make the process more streamlineding more helpful to at 1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:08.240 the end of the day, the local residents and governments 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:09.680 of the United States in. 1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:11.400 The reality is we just said, I think it was 1:21:11.439 --> 1:21:14.599 Michigan and Wisconsin. I believe that had their FEMA disaster 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:18.360 claims denied long after the event occurred. And is that 1:21:18.560 --> 1:21:20.080 because of the reform we want here? 1:21:20.160 --> 1:21:25.160 Is that part of it? So you know they if 1:21:25.200 --> 1:21:28.600 you're talking about the recent denials, I mean, so it's 1:21:28.680 --> 1:21:32.560 either one of two things. It's usually because the the 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:35.320 you have to reach a certain level, So there's a 1:21:35.439 --> 1:21:37.759 dollar amount you have to reach and damage and affects 1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:40.720 the citizens residents, and if you don't hit that, then 1:21:40.760 --> 1:21:43.000 you don't qualify for the federal decoration. Which is why 1:21:43.200 --> 1:21:48.680 most disasters are not assisted by FEMA. They don't they 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:52.120 don't receive federal dollars for the recovery. For example, the 1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:54.200 flood we had in March did not did not reach 1:21:54.280 --> 1:21:58.360 the level of federal assistance. But I think that here 1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:02.360 recently there has and more of a push to push 1:22:02.439 --> 1:22:06.639 that responsibility down to the local government. And obviously that's 1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:10.000 debatable whether or not whether or not they should do that, 1:22:10.080 --> 1:22:12.920 but but I think again there's a role that if 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:16.160 we meet the statutory requirements to receive a federal decoration, 1:22:16.280 --> 1:22:19.519 that we should states should receive that federal declaration. 1:22:20.400 --> 1:22:23.120 Nick Crosley, head of the Hamlet County EMA here is 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:27.120 in d C lobbying the federal government to approve the 1:22:27.240 --> 1:22:30.400 FEMA Act FEMA Reform Act that is going to streamline 1:22:30.400 --> 1:22:32.560 the process here to make it easier and quicker to 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:35.320 get relief from damages. When indeed we have a natural disaster, 1:22:35.400 --> 1:22:37.320 and that could be here in Hamlin County, tornado flood, 1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:40.160 possibly an earthquake, who knows we're near a fault line 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:41.719 at any of that could possibly happen. 1:22:42.439 --> 1:22:44.560 But you're doing it a the same time the government shutdown. 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:45.040 Does that? 1:22:46.120 --> 1:22:48.720 How do those two things work well? 1:22:48.920 --> 1:22:51.719 So you know, while the members are not in session, 1:22:52.120 --> 1:22:57.120 they are on the hill, and so I have meetings 1:22:57.160 --> 1:23:01.639 set up with Sanator Marinos often and Centator Houston's office, 1:23:01.680 --> 1:23:04.960 and we'll be stopping by and chatting with them about 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:09.719 the the FEMA Formact. So they're all still here working 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:12.639 and so we just wanted to have that conversation while 1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:13.040 we were here. 1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:16.880 Yeah, and we've had criticism about FEMA's response times in bureaucracy. 1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:19.400 And that's one thing for a government to Hamlin County, 1:23:19.760 --> 1:23:22.360 City of Cincinnati, State of Ohio. But when it's me, 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:26.840 it's my house, my domicile and it's damaged that that's 1:23:26.920 --> 1:23:30.400 the taxpayer right and you again, I'll have these agencies 1:23:30.439 --> 1:23:32.280 looking out for you. But that's that's a concern. It's 1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:35.600 the big bottleneck. Have you experiencing things personally in the 1:23:35.640 --> 1:23:36.479 course of doing your job. 1:23:38.080 --> 1:23:41.400 I have, I have seen it as part of my job. 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:44.160 I have not personally had you know, my home damage 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:47.799 right right by a major disaster. But I've through my career, 1:23:48.320 --> 1:23:51.320 I've worked from Kansas to California too. I've been here 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:54.639 in Hamilton County for ten years. I've seen the impact 1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:58.440 of the slow response and slow recovery and the bureaucracy, 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:00.840 and so I think we're trying to speed that up 1:24:01.400 --> 1:24:06.200 with with accountabilities built in so that funds are used correctly. 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:09.559 And I think again, the whole folks of this entire 1:24:09.720 --> 1:24:12.519 thing is so that residents can recover faster. 1:24:13.479 --> 1:24:15.320 And the other element of this is shocked me, Nick, 1:24:15.479 --> 1:24:17.760 is that there's a provision in here for a loan 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:21.920 interest payment payment really from love. Our counties currently have 1:24:22.000 --> 1:24:24.080 to take out loans to cover disaster costs wile waiting 1:24:24.120 --> 1:24:26.000 for FEMA money and then have to taxpayers have to 1:24:26.000 --> 1:24:26.599 foot the bill. 1:24:26.520 --> 1:24:28.000 Of the interest. Is that a thing? 1:24:28.320 --> 1:24:31.360 Yes, so yes, So Again, when you're talking these billion 1:24:31.400 --> 1:24:36.880 dollar damages, these billion dollar disasters, then in some cases 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:39.560 counties have had to take out loans in order to 1:24:39.920 --> 1:24:41.680 because you have to you have to get moving right, 1:24:41.800 --> 1:24:43.920 so to speak. You've got to recover bridges and roads 1:24:44.000 --> 1:24:47.600 and water treatment systems and sewer treatment systems, and so 1:24:47.760 --> 1:24:51.360 this is the kind of it's the backbone infrastructure that 1:24:51.360 --> 1:24:53.240 they're trying to fix, and so they've had to take 1:24:53.280 --> 1:24:58.000 out loans, and so this has been an ongoing argument 1:24:58.080 --> 1:25:02.040 discussion with with FEMA about helping with those interest costs 1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:04.000 because we're simply waiting on the money that we have 1:25:04.120 --> 1:25:07.880 been awarded, but it's takes so long that they have 1:25:08.000 --> 1:25:09.840 to get moving because you can't leave a sewer or 1:25:10.439 --> 1:25:12.640 water treatment system or a bridge. 1:25:12.360 --> 1:25:15.679 Out forever, right, Right, If this act passes, the FEMA 1:25:15.680 --> 1:25:19.080 Act passes, what's the timeline for handling countency changes? Specifically, 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:22.680 what would be your top priority? Then they do what 1:25:22.760 --> 1:25:24.360 they're supposed to do or what you're asking them to do. 1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:25.680 What do you need to do at your end? 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:30.360 I think our end would be educating. Once we both 1:25:30.479 --> 1:25:33.320 educate ourselves on what's the new process, right, what changes 1:25:33.600 --> 1:25:36.679 have come into play, make sure we understand them, Communicate 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:39.720 that to our elected leaders across the county. So I 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:43.960 have forty nine communities with forty nine councils, so to speak, 1:25:44.439 --> 1:25:46.400 and so we'll be educating them on the process. So 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:48.759 we know that if a disaster happens and we receive 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:52.200 a federal declaration both for that can help residents as 1:25:52.200 --> 1:25:54.680 well as local governments we can get them into that 1:25:54.760 --> 1:25:57.599 process as quickly as possible, and so it's our job 1:25:57.680 --> 1:26:01.439 to make sure we're that bridge between the victim so 1:26:01.560 --> 1:26:04.040 to speak, and the resources that are available. 1:26:04.160 --> 1:26:05.680 Yeah, something the easiest thing to do is make this 1:26:05.800 --> 1:26:09.040 grant based rather than reimbursement based. 1:26:10.400 --> 1:26:13.200 Right, I mean, it'll be you know, they'll once the 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:15.360 FEMAC passes, they'll have to put in the face their 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:19.120 policies and procedures. But again, the key that we'll be 1:26:19.200 --> 1:26:21.719 watching for is to make sure that when it's done 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:25.080 that it's speed The intent is to get the money 1:26:25.120 --> 1:26:27.400 out sooner and speed up the process. And so we'll 1:26:27.439 --> 1:26:31.040 be monitoring that with the National Association Accounties and our 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:32.920 state partners to make sure that FEMA does that. 1:26:33.240 --> 1:26:34.880 What's the level of support like on the Hill for. 1:26:34.960 --> 1:26:44.360 This, So it's bipartisan. So the Infrastructure Transportation Infrastructure Committee 1:26:44.400 --> 1:26:47.760 in the House passed it I think fifty sixty three, 1:26:48.880 --> 1:26:53.240 so it's bipartisan support in there. And so again they're 1:26:53.320 --> 1:26:55.559 working on that. You have to have the companion bill 1:26:55.600 --> 1:26:57.600 in the Senate, so they're working on getting sponsors for that. 1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:02.519 And so I think disasters are a political disasters affect 1:27:02.640 --> 1:27:06.800 all states, all communities at at a given time, and 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:10.160 so it does not know political boundaries, and so I 1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:14.680 think that hopefully we have a really good chance and 1:27:14.840 --> 1:27:17.519 also working with the administration because they have definitely called 1:27:17.600 --> 1:27:22.400 for for FEMA reform since before President Trump was elected. 1:27:22.600 --> 1:27:24.840 So we hope to well to line right up with 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:26.200 with his with his efforts. 1:27:26.240 --> 1:27:27.679 Who are the three clowns that voted? 1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:31.360 I have no idea. I was looking at that some 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:32.000 boys get. 1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:33.400 Them to buy fors and go at it. You know 1:27:33.479 --> 1:27:37.080 what I'm saying doesn't make much sense there. What's the 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:38.560 timeline for getting to implemented? 1:27:40.040 --> 1:27:40.479 I don't know. 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:42.799 So again I think they're, you know, in the shutdown 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:46.000 doesn't help, but I think that they're they're working to 1:27:46.080 --> 1:27:49.160 try to get the Senate Companion bill done and then 1:27:49.320 --> 1:27:51.400 it just has to go through the process. And you know, 1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:55.720 things are interesting in Congress right now, all right, as 1:27:55.840 --> 1:27:56.639 quickly as possible. 1:27:57.200 --> 1:28:00.439 Nick Crossley, Hamley County Director Emergency Management, I hope to 1:28:00.520 --> 1:28:02.680 never talk to you in your professional capacity when you've 1:28:02.680 --> 1:28:05.160 got your helmet and your state of Ohio, your county 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:07.120 jacket on and stuff like that. God forbid, it's going 1:28:07.200 --> 1:28:08.800 to be a bad day. But Nick, I'm glad you 1:28:08.880 --> 1:28:09.960 do what you do and I appreciate it. 1:28:11.160 --> 1:28:11.920 Thank you very much. 1:28:12.080 --> 1:28:15.600 Great to chat with you, Nick Crosley. Yeah, kind of a. 1:28:15.800 --> 1:28:18.040 I mean, it's interesting to think that God forbid we 1:28:18.160 --> 1:28:21.120 have a natural disaster that we now have to borrow 1:28:21.200 --> 1:28:24.360 money and pay interest on that just to you know, 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:27.360 give people money in order to live, to survive. That 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:30.559 is a huge hole. And fortunately you have bipartisans support 1:28:30.560 --> 1:28:32.519 for this whole thing. I mean, if we got money 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:37.280 for foreign countries and you know, redoing the White House, Okay, great, awesome, 1:28:37.560 --> 1:28:41.040 Well how about fixing FEMA? You guys, no wonder Congress 1:28:41.040 --> 1:28:44.200 has such a low approval rating. Scott's loan seven hundred ww. 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:47.840 Willy gives me hope, and these days we can all 1:28:47.960 --> 1:28:50.800 use some hope. Willy is here for you, no matter 1:28:50.880 --> 1:28:53.040 how lousy my day is. I know I can count 1:28:53.120 --> 1:28:55.960 on Willy to turn things around here, to soothe your fears. 1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:57.799 I wish I could find a man just like Willie, 1:28:57.880 --> 1:28:58.599 like the great. 1:28:58.439 --> 1:28:59.559 American that I am. 1:28:59.840 --> 1:29:02.040 He uses lots of big words. I use lots of 1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:03.799 big words too. It's almost like we're twins. 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:05.800 All you have to do is listen to me the 1:29:05.880 --> 1:29:09.719 great amountic Bill Cunningham today at twelve noon on seven 1:29:09.800 --> 1:29:11.880 hundred w l W. 1:29:12.720 --> 1:29:14.599 Have you taken your family to dinner recently? 1:29:15.080 --> 1:29:21.720 Have been shop stack? This is all Worth Advice with 1:29:21.880 --> 1:29:26.960 Andy Shaffer. Oh man, you smell that. It smells like money. 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:29.640 It smells like money. Has just come in to the 1:29:29.720 --> 1:29:32.759 conversation here, Andy Shafer from all Worth Financial. 1:29:32.840 --> 1:29:35.240 I can smell the money through the microphone this morning. 1:29:35.280 --> 1:29:36.000 I can smell it. 1:29:36.760 --> 1:29:37.880 I thought that was just false. 1:29:37.880 --> 1:29:38.080 Scott. 1:29:41.120 --> 1:29:42.920 Well, I'll tell you what you'd have some you're in 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:46.800 high cotton if you've got money skinning the game. Of course, 1:29:46.840 --> 1:29:49.720 a couple few days of records or market highs right now, 1:29:49.800 --> 1:29:50.599 it's been incredible. 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:51.360 What's driving all that? 1:29:51.880 --> 1:29:53.280 Well, I mean a lot of things are going on 1:29:53.439 --> 1:29:55.560 right now. You know, first of all, we're pretty you know, 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:59.000 we're getting some decent inflation numbers. We had the CPI 1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:01.960 last week on Fry with a consumer price index, which 1:30:02.000 --> 1:30:04.559 is a measure of inflation. And you know, we haven't 1:30:04.600 --> 1:30:06.519 been able to get a lot of data since the 1:30:06.560 --> 1:30:09.160 government shut down, but the CPI is one of those 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:11.840 where the government says, well we need this number to 1:30:11.920 --> 1:30:14.720 be able to adjust the cost of living adjustment for 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:17.720 Social Security and they're certainly going to keep an eye 1:30:17.760 --> 1:30:19.680 on that and make sure that they have that in place. So, 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:22.280 you know, we're kind of looking at what data we 1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:25.320 have available to determine what the FED is going to do. 1:30:26.080 --> 1:30:28.439 The Fed's meeting today, we're going to get a decision 1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:31.840 tomorrow at two o'clock and the FED Chairman Powe has 1:30:31.880 --> 1:30:34.160 a press conference immediately after that, and it does seem 1:30:34.280 --> 1:30:37.400 likely we're going to get a quarter percent cut. Investors 1:30:37.520 --> 1:30:39.880 enjoy that because what that means is when you start 1:30:39.920 --> 1:30:44.479 to cut rates, that encourages spending, It encourages borrowing. You know, 1:30:44.560 --> 1:30:47.240 it makes companies a little more flexible to be able 1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:49.519 to hire. And so what the FED is doing is 1:30:49.560 --> 1:30:51.960 they're starting to attack the labor market to make sure 1:30:51.960 --> 1:30:55.200 that it stays pretty healthy. And you know, in addition 1:30:55.320 --> 1:30:58.280 to that, you know, we're seeing you know, from a 1:30:58.320 --> 1:31:01.439 political standpoint, we're seeing some going on tariffs, and you know, 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:05.800 with Donald Trump meeting with President g at the end 1:31:05.840 --> 1:31:07.800 of the week this week, it seems like there's some 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:11.200 positive progress there. And so all of that, you know, 1:31:11.400 --> 1:31:14.080 leads to investor optimism, and that's kind of where we 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:14.599 are right now. 1:31:14.800 --> 1:31:16.600 Yeah, all right, and it's been a hell of a 1:31:16.640 --> 1:31:19.160 stretch right now. For sure, we'll see what happens. And 1:31:19.240 --> 1:31:21.360 I know those the numbers you're talking about were delayed 1:31:21.360 --> 1:31:22.479 because of government shutdown. 1:31:23.160 --> 1:31:24.479 Yeah, they were delayed a little bit. 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:27.599 Now, we did have headline prices rose point three percent 1:31:27.880 --> 1:31:30.479 on the core, which excludes food and energy. But that's 1:31:30.560 --> 1:31:33.160 really what the FED looks at because they don't believe 1:31:33.200 --> 1:31:37.280 that they can impact food and energy prices. And so 1:31:37.439 --> 1:31:39.560 when you see these numbers that say, okay, well you 1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:41.880 know raised point three percent year over year, Well that's 1:31:41.920 --> 1:31:45.679 still higher. Yeah, but you have to understand how inflation works. 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:48.000 It doesn't mean that prices are coming down. What it 1:31:48.120 --> 1:31:50.760 means is is that they're going up less fast. And so, 1:31:51.520 --> 1:31:53.519 you know, the FED at this point feels pretty good 1:31:53.680 --> 1:31:56.840 that inflation right now is you know, it really hasn't 1:31:56.880 --> 1:32:00.439 been significantly impacted by the terraffs and things are starting 1:32:00.479 --> 1:32:03.160 to cool. The other thing that I thought was really 1:32:03.240 --> 1:32:06.160 interesting is we're finally seeing shelter, which is the largest 1:32:06.200 --> 1:32:09.519 comport component of the core inflation continue to cool. You know, 1:32:09.600 --> 1:32:11.880 we saw that that rents just rose point one to 1:32:11.920 --> 1:32:16.280 three percent. Primary rent increase just ato point two percent, 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:18.880 and so you know, when we start to see housing 1:32:18.960 --> 1:32:21.360 prices come down, and I think the fact that we're 1:32:21.360 --> 1:32:23.599 going to see rates cut again is going to cool. 1:32:23.400 --> 1:32:27.280 It even more. You know, that's pretty optimistic from the 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:28.479 fence perspective. 1:32:28.560 --> 1:32:30.160 And people see this and go, how can that be 1:32:30.360 --> 1:32:31.720 that the market's doing so well? 1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:34.160 And let look at they're going to cut SNAP benefits 1:32:34.200 --> 1:32:36.479 pretty soon, and the cuts to SNAP and the Americans 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:38.479 the Affordable Care Act and people are going to have 1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:41.080 to pay you know, twenty eight percent more for their 1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:43.400 health insurance or the same cran we're in benefit season. 1:32:43.720 --> 1:32:46.000 How can all those things be true at the same time. 1:32:46.520 --> 1:32:48.680 And it illustrates I guess for everything and try and 1:32:48.760 --> 1:32:50.920 I that this is a disparity between the haves and 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:53.280 the have nots, the rich and then everybody. 1:32:52.960 --> 1:32:56.760 Else to some To some extent, I think that it 1:32:56.920 --> 1:32:57.519 is challenging. 1:32:57.600 --> 1:32:57.720 You know. 1:32:58.160 --> 1:32:59.640 You know, when we go to the grocery store, you 1:32:59.720 --> 1:33:02.240 see prices that are, you know, pretty high. That's probably 1:33:02.320 --> 1:33:04.320 one of my biggest bills. We cook at home all 1:33:04.360 --> 1:33:07.400 the time. We go to the grocery. Meat prices are 1:33:07.520 --> 1:33:10.479 particularly high right now, and so you're thinking, you know, 1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:13.560 how is all of this possible. Well, people continue to 1:33:13.640 --> 1:33:17.320 have jobs and there haven't been significant cuts in the 1:33:17.400 --> 1:33:19.280 labor market at this point. So if you have the 1:33:19.360 --> 1:33:22.000 ability to continue to earn a way just going to 1:33:22.080 --> 1:33:25.280 translate to spending. And furthermore, you know, people that have 1:33:25.479 --> 1:33:29.960 investments in those that have retirement plans and retirees and 1:33:30.040 --> 1:33:33.160 their accounts are continuing to grow at fifteen percent every year. 1:33:33.280 --> 1:33:37.000 That generates a decent amount of wealth to where you 1:33:37.080 --> 1:33:41.160 can continue to draw an income stream and continue to spend. So, yes, 1:33:41.280 --> 1:33:44.519 prices are continuing to be higher, but people are still 1:33:44.600 --> 1:33:46.600 able to earn a wage and the job market is 1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:47.880 fairly stable at this point. 1:33:48.040 --> 1:33:50.560 Yeah, you look at that and go, okay, well that 1:33:50.720 --> 1:33:52.919 that makes sense right now because it's a small percentage 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:55.080 of the America and three hundred million people you're talking about, 1:33:55.400 --> 1:33:57.680 you know, one point to one point four people or 1:33:57.720 --> 1:34:00.200 I'm sorry, forty two million on snap benefits right there, 1:34:01.080 --> 1:34:03.400 and there's three hundred million Americans and say, okay, well, 1:34:03.439 --> 1:34:05.760 as a percent it's not that much, but it does 1:34:05.880 --> 1:34:07.599 have an impact on economy and you're in a personal 1:34:07.680 --> 1:34:09.360 economy too. If you look at the price of things 1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:12.400 you just mentioned b for example, For the first time 1:34:12.439 --> 1:34:14.400 I can remember, I was at Costco of all places, 1:34:14.439 --> 1:34:16.679 I looked at some beef and when I'm not paying 1:34:16.760 --> 1:34:19.439 that right, I'm not paying that well. And I think 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:21.120 there's a there's a point to that, Scott. 1:34:21.160 --> 1:34:24.280 You know during COVID, when certain products were a little 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:26.439 bit higher in price than others. You know, I enjoy 1:34:26.479 --> 1:34:29.200 a bot sandwich, but when bacon is eight dollars a 1:34:29.280 --> 1:34:31.800 pound or whatever it was during that period of time, yeah, 1:34:31.800 --> 1:34:33.880 I'm going to go without. And so, you know, people 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.599 still have the ability to make decisions on their spending, 1:34:36.640 --> 1:34:38.920 and that's really where it comes to play. Just because 1:34:39.000 --> 1:34:42.360 prices go up, you still have the option and choices 1:34:42.479 --> 1:34:44.639 to make smart decisions with your spending. 1:34:44.840 --> 1:34:48.680 Yeah, I did see this that AI is now starting. Well, 1:34:48.720 --> 1:34:50.920 we've seen it cost jobs. But Amazon's going to cut 1:34:50.960 --> 1:34:54.599 fourteen thousand people, and online education company CHEG is going 1:34:54.640 --> 1:34:57.200 to cut half of its eight hundred employee workforce all 1:34:57.280 --> 1:35:00.280 because of AI. And so the looming threat that it 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:02.599 poses is starting to become reality. 1:35:03.479 --> 1:35:05.519 There is some cuts that are going to be coming 1:35:05.600 --> 1:35:08.879 because of AI. I think there's a lot of industries 1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:12.040 that are going to be affected more by AI. However, 1:35:12.520 --> 1:35:15.760 we're continuing to see AI also developed jobs. We have 1:35:15.840 --> 1:35:18.639 a lot of jobs that are increasing because of AI 1:35:18.760 --> 1:35:21.800 and the tech sector. We also have a form in 1:35:21.840 --> 1:35:24.760 Saudi Arabia right now where the Oracle co CEO Mike 1:35:24.840 --> 1:35:28.280 Cilia basically said, hey, the next stage of private data 1:35:28.520 --> 1:35:31.000 with AI is private data and merging them with leading 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:33.960 AI models. And the thing about it is is that, yes, 1:35:34.080 --> 1:35:38.760 we've been through industrial revolutions, We've been through different work revolutions. 1:35:39.520 --> 1:35:42.479 When the Internet was originated, we thought that that was 1:35:42.520 --> 1:35:44.080 going to be a collapse of a lot of jobs 1:35:44.120 --> 1:35:45.519 and we weren't going to be able to you know, 1:35:45.680 --> 1:35:47.960 find work and things like that. The reality is is 1:35:48.000 --> 1:35:51.639 that it also creates a lot of opportunities and additional jobs. 1:35:51.680 --> 1:35:55.120 So where one one sector might be thinning out a 1:35:55.160 --> 1:35:57.479 little bit, where are adding jobs to other sectors as well. 1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:00.439 All Right, Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial, you mentioned 1:36:00.439 --> 1:36:04.640 the numbers come out the CPI core inflation shelter is 1:36:04.680 --> 1:36:05.720 the largest component of that. 1:36:05.840 --> 1:36:07.560 That's cooling off a little bit. Believe it or not. 1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:11.040 Food We mentioned that that's moderates up but still kind 1:36:11.080 --> 1:36:13.800 of just pulling steady. Things look fairly normalized in flat 1:36:13.880 --> 1:36:16.000 right now, but the inflation rate is still a sticky 1:36:16.040 --> 1:36:19.080 three percent. That's above where the FED wants it to be. Therefore, 1:36:19.479 --> 1:36:21.439 interest rate cuts are coming. 1:36:22.120 --> 1:36:24.719 Yeah, because the Fed has the ability to either attack 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:27.920 inflation or pay attention more to the labor market. And 1:36:28.600 --> 1:36:31.360 the Fed right now feels like, yes, it's a little 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:33.519 bit higher than where we want it, but we're comfortable 1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:35.439 where it is, and the trends are going in the 1:36:35.560 --> 1:36:38.559 right direction, so they can switch their focus from attacking 1:36:38.640 --> 1:36:42.120 inflation to basically attacking the labor market and making sure 1:36:42.160 --> 1:36:45.160 that it remains healthy by cutting interest rates, which we're 1:36:45.200 --> 1:36:49.080 going to get a rate cut here tomorrow, We're probably 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:50.960 going to get another quarter percent cut in the summer, 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:53.559 and it's likely we get another one or two quarter 1:36:53.600 --> 1:36:56.759 percent cuts next year. And so you know, as an investor, 1:36:56.880 --> 1:36:59.040 you're looking at it, you're saying, okay. You know, with 1:37:00.240 --> 1:37:04.320 interest rates starting to come down, that loosens the strings 1:37:04.400 --> 1:37:06.960 for people to be able to spend because borrowing becomes cheaper, 1:37:06.960 --> 1:37:10.360 and not only individuals but also businesses. And so that's 1:37:10.400 --> 1:37:13.000 where the optimism is from a market standpoint, and that's 1:37:13.000 --> 1:37:14.479 why we're at our all time highs right now. 1:37:14.640 --> 1:37:17.799 Andy Shafer explained to me, because I'm not an economist, 1:37:17.880 --> 1:37:19.880 most people listening article and I'm kind of stupid too, 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:21.920 Why can't you cut it? 1:37:22.479 --> 1:37:24.840 Why is it either or inflation or jobs? 1:37:25.560 --> 1:37:26.680 Well, think about it this way. 1:37:26.800 --> 1:37:29.840 If prices go up and they become you know, we 1:37:29.920 --> 1:37:32.439 were just talking about the price of bacon, if you 1:37:32.760 --> 1:37:36.120 increase interest rates, that makes it tougher to borrow, and 1:37:36.320 --> 1:37:40.120 so if you have less borrowing ability and it becomes 1:37:40.160 --> 1:37:44.799 more expensive, then that reduces demand. And if demand starts 1:37:44.840 --> 1:37:47.680 to reduce, then prices come down and follow along with it. 1:37:48.080 --> 1:37:52.120 When you cut interest rates, that increases demand, which allows 1:37:52.240 --> 1:37:55.839 for businesses to continue to thrive and hire more workers 1:37:55.960 --> 1:37:57.800 and help the labor market remain strong. 1:37:58.000 --> 1:37:59.400 So that's where it is. 1:37:59.760 --> 1:38:02.439 It all comes down to interest rates and how that 1:38:02.520 --> 1:38:05.400 affects the economy in general. If you continue to raise 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:08.639 interest rates, which we did when prices were significantly higher, 1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:11.080 people aren't going to be willing to spend as much. 1:38:11.120 --> 1:38:13.400 And that's what it's all about. It's about demand and 1:38:13.479 --> 1:38:16.080 supply and your basic you know economics there. 1:38:16.080 --> 1:38:17.880 The balance of finances. 1:38:17.920 --> 1:38:19.680 What this is in the economy basically is that you 1:38:19.760 --> 1:38:21.879 can't serve all masters you've got to pick the crisis 1:38:21.960 --> 1:38:23.640 and deal with that and uh and then when the 1:38:23.680 --> 1:38:25.160 other one we go the other way. 1:38:25.240 --> 1:38:26.320 So and that's why it's. 1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:30.920 It's it's a certainly a delicate balance. And that's why 1:38:31.320 --> 1:38:33.519 you know, we talk about soft landings all the time, 1:38:33.600 --> 1:38:35.519 and you know, the FED can't be too quick with 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:37.280 it and they can't be too slow with it. And 1:38:38.000 --> 1:38:40.000 the challenge for the FED is is that when they 1:38:40.120 --> 1:38:44.160 implement either you know, interest rate increases or interest rate decreases, 1:38:44.240 --> 1:38:46.200 it takes about eight months for that to weave through 1:38:46.240 --> 1:38:49.320 the economy, so it's not instantaneous, and so they have 1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:51.559 to be a little bit patient, look at the data, 1:38:51.680 --> 1:38:54.840 see how those decisions affect the economy, and then adjust 1:38:54.920 --> 1:38:55.240 from there. 1:38:55.320 --> 1:38:58.360 And that's what makes it such a tricky and Denver. 1:38:58.240 --> 1:39:01.120 All right, let's get into the weirdness and the imbalance 1:39:01.200 --> 1:39:05.280 and also the whiplash nature of trade, Andy Schaeffer from 1:39:05.320 --> 1:39:07.519 all Worth Financial US in China, looks like they made 1:39:07.560 --> 1:39:10.840 progress towards a deal deal that would pause more terrifikes, 1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:13.720 start to store normalized trade and I guess more more 1:39:13.800 --> 1:39:16.200 trades stability. I guess I want to say that is 1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:19.360 similarly really good news. I think the markets reacted as such. 1:39:19.960 --> 1:39:23.559 Yeah, I mean, who knows, you know, I mean right right, well, 1:39:23.640 --> 1:39:25.719 you know this is what we get. You know, Donald 1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:28.240 Trump likes President G and then he doesn't like President G. 1:39:28.680 --> 1:39:31.720 And you know, there's you know, you know a lot 1:39:31.760 --> 1:39:35.120 of bluster, and you know it sometimes it feels almost personal. 1:39:35.200 --> 1:39:38.120 But basically where we are with this is that it 1:39:38.240 --> 1:39:40.880 seems like cooler heads are starting to prevail. Things are 1:39:40.960 --> 1:39:43.759 loosing up, and most importantly, I think that both sides 1:39:43.800 --> 1:39:46.200 are focused on reaching an agreement before the end of 1:39:46.240 --> 1:39:50.320 the year. You know, this week's progress. It's not a breakthrough, 1:39:50.439 --> 1:39:53.799 but we have a meeting on October thirtieth between President 1:39:54.240 --> 1:39:57.719 Trump and President G for the first time in months. 1:39:57.920 --> 1:40:00.479 And so the fact that we're you know, at sitting 1:40:00.520 --> 1:40:04.080 together and talking is positive. And again, you know, China 1:40:04.200 --> 1:40:07.000 needs our markets. There are supply side type of economy, 1:40:07.080 --> 1:40:10.840 so they need people to buy their goods, and you know, 1:40:10.920 --> 1:40:13.000 and and there's a lot of things that China supplies 1:40:13.120 --> 1:40:16.160 us that is important, you know, to to our path 1:40:16.200 --> 1:40:18.599 forward from an economic standpoint. So we we do need 1:40:18.680 --> 1:40:20.800 each other and it seems like things are starting to cool, 1:40:20.800 --> 1:40:22.240 and that's why the markets have responded. 1:40:22.360 --> 1:40:24.000 Then there's Canada that's at the other end. 1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:27.160 Of oh yeah, well, you know with Canada, there's there's 1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:29.280 also a lot of name calling and a lot of 1:40:29.320 --> 1:40:31.080 bless are there and and the mood is a little 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:33.920 bit different there. You know, we we had some trade talks, 1:40:34.680 --> 1:40:38.160 you know, with Canada. Recently, Ontario ran an ad here 1:40:38.200 --> 1:40:41.840 in the United States criticizing American tariffs and basically urging 1:40:41.880 --> 1:40:45.759 a return to the Reagan style uh economic trade balance. 1:40:45.840 --> 1:40:48.600 And you know, and and that, you know, kind of 1:40:48.680 --> 1:40:51.599 upset the White House and an upset Washington. Ottawa called 1:40:51.640 --> 1:40:54.479 the ad unfortunate but stood by its message. But basically, 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:57.800 you know, that irritated the United States, and so it 1:40:58.120 --> 1:41:02.559 halted progress on steel negotiations, aluminum, agriculture and those are 1:41:02.600 --> 1:41:05.840 the big things that we trade with Canada. And and 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:10.000 and that relationship remains important and hopefully we'll be able 1:41:10.080 --> 1:41:12.639 to have some cooler rhetoric moving forward there too. 1:41:12.720 --> 1:41:15.280 All right, there seems no end to the government shutdown. 1:41:15.720 --> 1:41:18.760 It's obviously not affecting markets. And how much are that 1:41:18.880 --> 1:41:21.200 weighs on our lawmakers to get something done? I mean, 1:41:21.240 --> 1:41:23.720 the markets start to suffer as all the shutdowns that's 1:41:23.760 --> 1:41:26.400 a different story, but clearly the opposite is happening. How 1:41:26.479 --> 1:41:28.160 much is it do you think that weighs in their decision? 1:41:28.520 --> 1:41:30.479 I think there's a timeline on that. Right now, it 1:41:30.560 --> 1:41:31.479 doesn't very much. 1:41:32.320 --> 1:41:35.479 You know, there hasn't been a lot of official economic releases, 1:41:35.600 --> 1:41:37.439 so it kind of keeps us in the dark to 1:41:37.520 --> 1:41:40.400 where the economy is now. If you start to see 1:41:40.760 --> 1:41:43.200 the limited amount of data that we have, start to 1:41:43.320 --> 1:41:46.559 move sideways on that and we need a lot more clarity, 1:41:47.320 --> 1:41:49.439 you know, politicians will start to get together and make 1:41:49.479 --> 1:41:52.599 a deal. However, you know where we stand right now, 1:41:52.800 --> 1:41:55.759 there is not a lot of urgency for the government 1:41:55.840 --> 1:41:56.599 to get back open. 1:41:56.760 --> 1:41:56.920 You know. 1:41:57.120 --> 1:41:59.680 Right now, you know, Wall Street's going to focus on 1:41:59.760 --> 1:42:03.720 corporate profits. We're starting to move into earning season. We 1:42:03.800 --> 1:42:06.000 have one hundred and sixty two large cap companies that 1:42:06.040 --> 1:42:08.519 are going to report earnings this week. We have a 1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:13.400 lot of heavyweights out there. They're going to report Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, 1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:16.040 and so we'll see where that is. So right now, 1:42:16.120 --> 1:42:18.880 investors are focusing focusing on, you know, what are the 1:42:18.960 --> 1:42:22.559 earnings of companies, how are they performing, and looking at 1:42:22.600 --> 1:42:24.880 the limited data that we get to make decisions as 1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:27.000 far as you know, where am I going to invest? 1:42:27.080 --> 1:42:29.839 And how is the how is the economy continuing to progress? 1:42:29.880 --> 1:42:30.200 All right? 1:42:30.200 --> 1:42:31.320 What do we got week ahead here? 1:42:32.400 --> 1:42:32.519 Uh? 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:36.120 Well, you know again we're a limited, a little bit limited. 1:42:36.120 --> 1:42:38.439 The big one obviously is the FED meeting today and 1:42:38.920 --> 1:42:42.200 in the conference tomorrow. We're going to get you know, 1:42:42.360 --> 1:42:44.639 some trade information as well. We're going to get pending 1:42:44.680 --> 1:42:47.000 home sales on Wednesday. Thursday, we're going to get our 1:42:47.080 --> 1:42:50.280 GDP numbers hopefully right because a lot of this is 1:42:50.320 --> 1:42:53.960 still you know, on the sidelines. Friday is normally a 1:42:54.080 --> 1:42:58.640 big day where we get personal income, consumer spending, producer 1:42:58.920 --> 1:43:01.800 price index, a lot of those bits of data. But 1:43:01.920 --> 1:43:05.000 as long as the government we're hearing shut down, we're 1:43:05.040 --> 1:43:06.080 not going to get those numbers. 1:43:06.160 --> 1:43:08.160 So we'll see what we get. We just don't know 1:43:08.240 --> 1:43:08.720 at this point. 1:43:09.320 --> 1:43:12.000 He's Andy Schaeffer with all Worth Financial simply Money. That 1:43:12.040 --> 1:43:15.160 show airs at six o'clock weeknights, that would be tonight 1:43:15.280 --> 1:43:18.680 on fifty five KARC. Every Tuesday morning, he pops in 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:20.360 and kind of check what's going on with the markets 1:43:20.400 --> 1:43:22.680 and money. So Wall Street looks really really good right now. 1:43:22.800 --> 1:43:25.360 Government looks to be inapt and all is right with 1:43:25.439 --> 1:43:27.400 the world. I guess if it comes to your investments now, 1:43:27.439 --> 1:43:29.920 the day to day's different story. So keep your eye 1:43:29.960 --> 1:43:31.640 on the long term prize, which is getting the hell 1:43:31.640 --> 1:43:34.400 out of your workplace with a little bit enough hopefully saved, 1:43:34.560 --> 1:43:36.759 to be able to retire at some point in your future. 1:43:37.040 --> 1:43:39.000 I hope that's true for all of us, sooner rather 1:43:39.080 --> 1:43:40.880 than later. All the best, Drew, thanks again, have a 1:43:40.920 --> 1:43:41.280 great one. 1:43:41.560 --> 1:43:43.439 Thanks Scott, look forward to talking to you next week. 1:43:43.520 --> 1:43:46.000 Willie is standing by. He has returned, he's ready to go. 1:43:46.120 --> 1:43:49.240 He's champing at the bits. More Cherisa Thiji stuff on 1:43:49.360 --> 1:43:52.720 the way. We've found out the law firm that's going 1:43:52.800 --> 1:43:55.320 to look for her reasons that she's been fired after 1:43:55.439 --> 1:43:57.840 she's fired, and we're going to pay them like forty 1:43:57.920 --> 1:44:00.640 grand to do that and get a result by the 1:44:00.760 --> 1:44:01.240 end of the year. 1:44:01.680 --> 1:44:02.280 So that's awesome. 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:04.479 You have a police chief who essentially has been fired 1:44:04.880 --> 1:44:06.640 and now we've hired a law firm to look for 1:44:06.720 --> 1:44:08.800 the reasons as to why she's fired. It makes sense 1:44:08.880 --> 1:44:11.040 to you, No it does not. Does it make sense 1:44:11.120 --> 1:44:13.760 to those high a top city hall, Yes it does, 1:44:14.160 --> 1:44:16.600 Yes it does. And we have an election coming up, 1:44:16.640 --> 1:44:19.000 makes it more interesting Scott's loan, home of the best 1:44:19.040 --> 1:44:21.839 Bengals coverage seven hundred WWDE Cincinnati