Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American? On the weekend
Speaker 1: in the books, and we're back at here, scotts Fold,
Speaker 1: thanks for jumping in the show on seven hundred ww.
Speaker 1: You know, even without the mass shooting, Cincinnati's crime numbers
Speaker 1: are up sixty two percent. I believe that the first
Speaker 1: ten weeks ten eleven weeks of twenty twenty six, and
Speaker 1: in one western neighborhood, of course, two eleven year old's
Speaker 1: now killed at the same playground. Since twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: we had a dangerous street takeover on Saturday night early
Speaker 1: Sunday morning, resulting in arrests and great work by CPD.
Speaker 1: By the way, So here's the thing. We're halfway through
Speaker 1: March and it's snowing. What happens this summer when the
Speaker 1: city actually is out in full force and what's the
Speaker 1: city actually doing to maybe prevent or tamp down a
Speaker 1: lot of this crime? Joined the show is council member
Speaker 1: Seth Walsh. Seth, how you been? How's life? You're good?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Scott getting ready for the snow today?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you thought it was over, It's just beginning.
Speaker 3: I that's way you're call it.
Speaker 1: What the damn PLOWD tracker doesn't work. It's a seventy yesterday,
Speaker 1: so you gotta even the software says i'm out. Software
Speaker 1: tapped out. But seriously, Saturday night, and this could have
Speaker 1: been much worse than it was. You have to give
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the credit to CPD because they
Speaker 1: did a fantastic job. I think thirty nine people arrested,
Speaker 1: sixty five cars towed during a mass street takeover, and
Speaker 1: it happened in several different areas. They picked up a
Speaker 1: couple I think stolen guns as well. One of the
Speaker 1: places where they congregated was Riverfront Live parking lot, and
Speaker 1: that's the same venue, of course, where nine people were
Speaker 1: shot just a couple of weeks ago. The bigger picture, though,
Speaker 1: is we've seen bar and dining in public transportation, a
Speaker 1: bunch of other numbers indicating that that is down in
Speaker 1: the city.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Some of that may be the weather, another part of
Speaker 1: that may be the economy, But how much is crime
Speaker 1: impacting all that?
Speaker 2: I mean, the issue was crime conversation you and I
Speaker 2: professional Stingy be having right and unfortunately in the city
Speaker 2: this conversation we're going to continue to have. I think
Speaker 2: it's important to take a step back and really appreciate,
Speaker 2: as you said, what CPD was able to do, able
Speaker 2: to get ahead of this, you know, you know, road
Speaker 2: takeover and arrest all these bad actors. They were coming
Speaker 2: out to participate in that. And that's really you know,
Speaker 2: it's an interest point. It's just some of the ground
Speaker 2: that we're seeing around the city because you know, the
Speaker 2: people that were coming from that weren't Offincinnatians. I don't.
Speaker 2: I've actually get many work, even the Statians. They're coming
Speaker 2: across problems in the city. It was kind of wild
Speaker 2: the reports I'm getting who they were even finding there,
Speaker 2: and keeople bringing their kids to this for example. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a dangerous something was being pulled off. And so
Speaker 2: first off, I just think the polices are a big
Speaker 2: accolades for that. The staffs, though, are the facts. And
Speaker 2: so I think there's some good questions that you're going
Speaker 2: to be asking me about. You know, why are the
Speaker 2: crime up and anytime you have crime to problems and
Speaker 2: we got to do more to fix that. But you know,
Speaker 2: this is the priority that I've had since I got
Speaker 2: a city council. Continue to point to the fact that
Speaker 2: we we are dramatically understaffed in the police department. So
Speaker 2: while they're able to have these great moments like this weekend,
Speaker 2: we are still dropping the ball city leaders in terms
Speaker 2: of making sure they're fully funded to be able to
Speaker 2: do the action plans. And they say they need to
Speaker 2: be able to be successful on our streets.
Speaker 1: Do they need more tools? More bullets in the belt,
Speaker 1: so to speak? Because if you go back to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, the state of Ohio moved to increase the
Speaker 1: penalties for street racing and you and Vice Mayor Janashloman
Speaker 1: Kearney opposed it. Does this change your mind? Should it
Speaker 1: be more than a misdemeanor? What I mean that's a
Speaker 1: payout ticket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Jeff Cramond and I actually were talking about
Speaker 2: this last night customer to Jeff Cramedy and I were
Speaker 2: talking about this, and we're going to be customer Mark.
Speaker 2: Jefferies already has the motion he's putting forward SASS for
Speaker 2: a report we'd like to take a little bit further,
Speaker 2: and actually kind of moved to just amend our organs
Speaker 2: is to go further than that misdemeanor. At the time
Speaker 2: we were voting on a resolution, I just had some
Speaker 2: personal issues at the resolution, But I do think that
Speaker 2: it's time that we that Bob would make sure that
Speaker 2: we are actually, you know, clacking down on these and
Speaker 2: making sure that it's not happening in the city, because
Speaker 2: you know, it isn't a true point for what we're
Speaker 2: seeing crime happening, and we need to make sure that
Speaker 2: we are not allowing it and not going too easy
Speaker 2: on it. Because thirty nine people being arrested as an
Speaker 2: indicator of some problems that are going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what made you change your mind on that
Speaker 1: or say, hey, we do need to get harder. Is
Speaker 1: it the size of this one? I mean thirty nine arrests,
Speaker 1: sixty five cars and it's March. As I said, you
Speaker 1: know this is going to happen more and then maybe
Speaker 1: bigger ones over the summer. God knows. Is it a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, maybe it wasn't a bigger deal
Speaker 1: as it is now, or what was a catalyst?
Speaker 2: No, I would say that, you know, one thing I
Speaker 2: think you appreciate about me, Scott when I play learning
Speaker 2: and growing and at the time, I think this was
Speaker 2: my first year for several months on city council, and
Speaker 2: I've spent a lot of time since then you know,
Speaker 2: integrating myself in the police department to learn how they operate,
Speaker 2: what's going on, And it was really a nipening experience
Speaker 2: when you go on a violent crime squad ride along
Speaker 2: and you're an on marched police vehicle and you're seeing
Speaker 2: what's happening and the officers are telling you that tells
Speaker 2: that you can't even tell are happy because you're not.
Speaker 2: You know, you're not used to this, I mean, really
Speaker 2: changes your perspective on here. When the police come in
Speaker 2: and they say these are the tools that they need,
Speaker 2: what does that mean and how does that actually matter?
Speaker 2: And so I think for me it's a matter of
Speaker 2: continuing to learn and grow. And at the time, I
Speaker 2: wasn't nearly informed or educated on some of the policing
Speaker 2: issues and how they are trying to solve bigger issues
Speaker 2: in the city. So I think that's that's the good
Speaker 2: time for people to just take the time to continue
Speaker 2: to educate yourself and not get yourself locked in on
Speaker 2: a position, because that's how we get bigger problems here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so as I respect that, I think most people
Speaker 1: listening due to it's like, yeah, you're learning, your young man,
Speaker 1: you learn on the job. And go, okay, well, we
Speaker 1: do need tougher laws. I think that's a I think
Speaker 1: that's a great answer. Council members Sess Walshawan with slowly
Speaker 1: here seven hundred w WELLW crime numbers are up sixty
Speaker 1: two percent through the first ten weeks of twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: and of course we just had this street takeover. No
Speaker 1: injuries or accidents, so thank God for that. But you're
Speaker 1: talking thirty nine arrests, a couple of guns off the streets,
Speaker 1: and sixty five cars towed in all credits to CPD
Speaker 1: because they did a fantastic job up and and and
Speaker 1: shutting this down. I don't think it's going to cause
Speaker 1: people to maybe think twice about it because the laws,
Speaker 1: it's only a misdemeter one that's as low as you
Speaker 1: can go. It's a ticket, that's about it. I know
Speaker 1: in northern Kentucky this this is an eye opener.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: There's a lawmaker there who I had on that said, listen,
Speaker 1: this is happening in Sinsey. It's happening all over the
Speaker 1: place in Louisville and UH and Lexington and other cities.
Speaker 1: The three takeovers. We want to make it a felony.
Speaker 1: What we want to do is after the second strike,
Speaker 1: second time you're caught, we're going to take your car
Speaker 1: and put in a crusher. Is that too extreme? Is
Speaker 1: that going too far?
Speaker 2: I think the bigger, the bigger issue. I don't know
Speaker 2: that I have an opinion on, you know, first stripe, second,
Speaker 2: sorry to put your car and pressure you. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of people that can use out there, so I
Speaker 2: think there's probably better ways that we can redistribute here.
Speaker 2: But I think the bigger issue is you're looking at
Speaker 2: how many people have illegal guns that were arrested in
Speaker 2: that and then we talked by gun violence and as
Speaker 2: you put them out, it's happened right in front of it,
Speaker 2: like we just had a mass shooting of the city,
Speaker 2: sincating the issue with these takeovers. You know it It
Speaker 2: started a seemingly it's a cute TikTok trend. I don't
Speaker 2: love keepe the right word for you know, but you
Speaker 2: know it started as a TikTok trend, and it is
Speaker 2: driving from reality, if you will, and it is driving
Speaker 2: people with shady so on margs and in some cases
Speaker 2: illegally and illegally owned guns that leads to these insiders.
Speaker 2: And I feel like we're constantly hadn't have conversations about
Speaker 2: which is then we're shooting people and that's the problem,
Speaker 2: that's fundamentally it. So what we have to do proactively
Speaker 2: is we talk about crime numbers, is to bring them down.
Speaker 2: We have to stop the things that are bringing people
Speaker 2: with illegal guns that are going to create the environments
Speaker 2: for potential shootings, for potential violence, potential print and so yes,
Speaker 2: I think we have to step up our enfortmate, we
Speaker 2: have to step up how we can do this. We
Speaker 2: have to give us police department more tools to make
Speaker 2: this something that people stop doing and because we just
Speaker 2: can't tolerate what we know leads to worse action.
Speaker 1: And then this summer you're gonna have the you know,
Speaker 1: the people on the dirt bikes and the quads out
Speaker 1: there too. That's a whole another set of problems when
Speaker 1: it comes to traffic enforcement. Seth Walsh, the city's on
Speaker 1: crime report showed fifty two people shot in Cincy in
Speaker 1: the first ten weeks at twenty twenty six, and that
Speaker 1: does not include the mass shooting at Riverfront Live, so
Speaker 1: it's up sixty two percent of the same time period
Speaker 1: year over year. We've talked a lot about with you
Speaker 1: and other members of Council here on the show. With
Speaker 1: all the anti violence measures Council approved last September, the
Speaker 1: five million dollars spent, what why are crime members going
Speaker 1: the wrong way?
Speaker 2: Man? If somebody have the answer that with Scott, they
Speaker 2: would be a very rich person. Right now. It's it's troubling,
Speaker 2: it's frustrating, it's disheartening. It makes you feel like anything
Speaker 2: you do is succeeding. You know, I wish I had
Speaker 2: the answer for why our choice seems to be violent.
Speaker 2: As opposed to just solving these problems through conversations, we're
Speaker 2: just walking away and dealing with it the next day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we've just y to become too numb to
Speaker 2: to the you know, what violence actually is and what
Speaker 2: those lng term impacting consequences become. And I think we,
Speaker 2: you know, continue to try to chase and put these
Speaker 2: measures in the effect that are going to take long
Speaker 2: time to solve it, and then the next week or
Speaker 2: the next day, there's another tragedy, and then we have
Speaker 2: to pivot again, and we try to ramp up again,
Speaker 2: and and some of this is just a long term
Speaker 2: societal adjustment we have to make. I think we dealt
Speaker 2: with a lot of youth problems last year. I suspect
Speaker 2: we have some more on the way this year, because
Speaker 2: you know, there is trauma that our youth are dealing
Speaker 2: with from COVID that I think is only just now
Speaker 2: starting to have the conversations about it. But I still
Speaker 2: think we're so far behind on what that conversation means.
Speaker 2: But that's going to take time to fix and solve,
Speaker 2: and and so that means we have to figure out
Speaker 2: what short term solutions are and how we manage those
Speaker 2: long term solutions at the same time. That's complicated and
Speaker 2: unfortunately right now that's not working to the best that
Speaker 2: we could possibly make it happen. And I think we
Speaker 2: have to be honest about that.
Speaker 1: How much of the problem, though, is outside of your
Speaker 1: control sets and that would be judges who are on
Speaker 1: this this own cognizant kick zero bond. We've seen people,
Speaker 1: you know, the shooting it in between a guy had
Speaker 1: an ankle monitor on. He didn't even bother cutting it off.
Speaker 1: They cut it off. There's no repercussions for it whatsoever,
Speaker 1: And so it just emboldens the this this extreme one
Speaker 1: percent or less than one percent of the population to
Speaker 1: commit more heinous and more violent and more deliberate crimes.
Speaker 1: There's not much you can do. You can pass all
Speaker 1: laws and roles. You're not going to tell judges what
Speaker 1: to do. But how much of the problem lies defeat
Speaker 1: of We've got too touchy feeling when it comes to
Speaker 1: dealing with criminals.
Speaker 2: Look, I think we're talking about a really complicated topic.
Speaker 2: So I think it's really easy to pass the buck
Speaker 2: and blame somebody. Whether you want to blame you know,
Speaker 2: if you're a city council member, is to blame a judge,
Speaker 2: if you're a judge, to blame the state legislature, the
Speaker 2: state legislature, blaming the city council members, and you know,
Speaker 2: the work the system back and then blame everybody else
Speaker 2: that say, well, we all have to just do better.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we all have a
Speaker 2: role in this. Every single one of us has a
Speaker 2: role in this. You know, I was at a service
Speaker 2: yesterday and this gentleman had a public puzzle piece on
Speaker 2: lapel and I asked him what it meant, and he
Speaker 2: told me, you know, it's a puzzle piece because we're
Speaker 2: all part of the bigger puzzle and if we don't
Speaker 2: all click it in, it doesn't work. So can I
Speaker 2: blame the judges, Sure, you can blame me as well,
Speaker 2: you can blame everybody. At the end of the day,
Speaker 2: we have to all do our parts. We have to
Speaker 2: lock in and say this is not acceptable. We got
Speaker 2: to do better, and that means we have to hold
Speaker 2: ourselves to a higher standard. And frankly, you know, while
Speaker 2: I think the since that police department is doing fantastic job,
Speaker 2: are we as the city leaders doing enough to help
Speaker 2: and support them, I would argue no. And you know,
Speaker 2: they've been clear since I got on City Council that
Speaker 2: they've been asking for more resources. They've been asking more
Speaker 2: office just to get to the minimum compliment and we
Speaker 2: haven't done that. And so before we until we solve
Speaker 2: those problems, I think it's difficult to start pointing to
Speaker 2: think at others, But I also think that others need
Speaker 2: to start looking at themselves and saying, are we solving
Speaker 2: all of our problems before we pass the bay back
Speaker 2: to city Hall? Because we all are part of the
Speaker 2: ecosystem and it is a really really complicated topic. And
Speaker 2: passing the blame and pushing the blame on others only
Speaker 2: makes it harder to solve this.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll play a little partisan paul or a second here,
Speaker 1: and I think you know me, I'm not necessarily I
Speaker 1: just I want things to work. I don't care who
Speaker 1: gets the credit. It's been a pillar of a progressive
Speaker 1: platform to be more hands off when it comes to policing,
Speaker 1: that treating criminals more like victims themselves and the root cause.
Speaker 1: And we heard that a lot from Vice Mayor Janiel
Speaker 1: Selim and Kearney. I'm sure the Mayor feels the same way.
Speaker 1: But you know, at some point we look at this
Speaker 1: and go, it's not working for us. I mean, case
Speaker 1: in point is a judges aside. We have a gun
Speaker 1: shot This detection system called shot spot or logged nearly
Speaker 1: one hundred shootings in the city in West Side and
Speaker 1: West End since twenty twenty three. More than half the
Speaker 1: victims were children. We had two eleven year olds killed
Speaker 1: at the same playground in less than three years. Neither
Speaker 1: case has been solved. They're both cold cases at this point.
Speaker 1: We have a camera system that doesn't work that had
Speaker 1: to be fixed after the second homicide. What does that
Speaker 1: say about how good a job that leadership of the city,
Speaker 1: and this would be the Democrats that get elected there
Speaker 1: are doing because clearly the idea that hey, we have
Speaker 1: to police differently because of a mandate from the public.
Speaker 1: At some point you have to go off to that
Speaker 1: fraction of one percent that are recidibus that are causing
Speaker 1: most of these bad crimes. I'm not talking about jaywalking
Speaker 1: and things like that. I'm talking about violent, predatory crimes
Speaker 1: that from this end anyway, the rest of us who
Speaker 1: don't live in the city look inside and go, it's
Speaker 1: a mess down there. And we just keep bringing the
Speaker 1: same people, or at least the same parties back to
Speaker 1: try and solve a problem that they helped create. Is
Speaker 1: that fair?
Speaker 2: No? No, I would not say that's fair. I would
Speaker 2: say that that that gets the exact point that I
Speaker 2: was just trying to make. You can certainly put all
Speaker 2: that on the City Cincinnati, and I think that they're
Speaker 2: a fair amount of that. You know, the city deserves
Speaker 2: to answer and the city deserves to be held to
Speaker 2: the standard have to answer that. But if we start
Speaker 2: playing partisan politics here, we start playing the fingers. The
Speaker 2: city has been trying to do legislation around gun control
Speaker 2: that would allow us to actually go after some of
Speaker 2: these bad date actors, and we've been stopped by the
Speaker 2: Republicans to control the state. Does that do us any good?
Speaker 2: Points those fingers at each other right now. No, of course,
Speaker 2: it doesn't do us any good to solve that. The
Speaker 2: reality is we have to say that we have a
Speaker 2: problem with violence in the city of Cincinnati to some degree.
Speaker 2: But also you know, you look at the statistics and
Speaker 2: it is down in the last several decades. So anytime
Speaker 2: there's any violence, anytime there's any crime, that is an
Speaker 2: unacceptable period, full stop. Until we get to a perfect
Speaker 2: year where there's a zero zero zero across the board,
Speaker 2: we are failing, and we have to continue to strive
Speaker 2: toward that Democrat Republican. Whether you live in the suburbs
Speaker 2: or do you live in the city, all of us
Speaker 2: have a role in making this happen. And we can
Speaker 2: point to fingers and say, well, you haven't solved all
Speaker 2: the problems, Scott, because you're a radio host and you
Speaker 2: have a responsibility to be a moral adult, and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. That doesn't do us any good.
Speaker 2: It's just it doesn't do us any good. And we
Speaker 2: can get into the partisan vickery, but at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, when somebody get shot, they don't care
Speaker 2: if you're a Democrat or Republican who comes and helps
Speaker 2: save them.
Speaker 1: And so we all have but the majority of city
Speaker 1: voters of the city voters are railities, so we don't
Speaker 1: see it. Though I'm a check and balanced kind of guy.
Speaker 1: I love parties keeping each other in check, and it's
Speaker 1: it's completely lopsided now federally at the state level and
Speaker 1: even at the local level for that matter. We can
Speaker 1: talk about Republicans running Columbus and Washington, but of course
Speaker 1: Democrats have a stranglehold on the city of Cincinnati. So
Speaker 1: these issues are relevant in that regard. You know, I'll
Speaker 1: bring it back, and I think you're right on a
Speaker 1: two degrees seth is that you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: the gun policies in Ohio. I'm a big Second Amendment guy,
Speaker 1: but I see what happened here when it comes to
Speaker 1: stand your ground. We've now had what three cases of
Speaker 1: people of criminals shooting each other. People with disabilities, meaning
Speaker 1: if you're under disability, you can't own a possessive even
Speaker 1: think about a gun. And yet we know that felons
Speaker 1: are out there handling weapons, and we've seen this where
Speaker 1: they just claim, oh, I was at the Riverfront live shooting.
Speaker 1: How can both of these people with a beef with
Speaker 1: each other shoot shoot at one another at a crowded
Speaker 1: nightclub and both claim self defense. That's part of the
Speaker 1: problem right there, one hundred percent. So I agree with
Speaker 1: you there, it's just at the local level where it's
Speaker 1: controlled by the Progressive Party. Here, it's like the whole
Speaker 1: idea that we're going to be a kindler, gentler society
Speaker 1: to these victimized people, I'm not and I think most
Speaker 1: people aren't buying it at this point. We just we
Speaker 1: got to get tougher on those who are going to
Speaker 1: break the law. And the biggest victim and all that
Speaker 1: are the people that allegedly Democrats are trying to help,
Speaker 1: which would be the people of collar and the poor.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: And so this is where I want to push back
Speaker 2: on you because and I hear you. I'm not disagreeing
Speaker 2: with you that you know, there are criticisms that are
Speaker 2: rightfully come our way. But I want to push back
Speaker 2: is that this is that police department has said repeatedly
Speaker 2: in or I'm chief and I said it. You know,
Speaker 2: we their hands are not high in policing to go
Speaker 2: out there and do what's right. Where I would argue
Speaker 2: the problem is that we haven't given them enough officers
Speaker 2: to be able to go out there and do the
Speaker 2: job when when they're already dramatically understaff they can't they
Speaker 2: can't spend the time going after the bad actors that
Speaker 2: they know are out there to make sure that they're
Speaker 2: getting our streets safer, and what they are doing and
Speaker 2: what they're pulling off given how understaffed they are, is
Speaker 2: a herculean feet, which is why every year, you know,
Speaker 2: we get into the budget season and I raised this point,
Speaker 2: which is we need to hire more officers than firefighters.
Speaker 2: It is clear asday those are the most menial services
Speaker 2: we provide as a city. We have to provide them
Speaker 2: because then if we're still having problems, then we have
Speaker 2: to figure out the next step to solve it. Until
Speaker 2: we solve that problem, we can talk about all these
Speaker 2: various policies, that those policies are noted in the way
Speaker 2: of our police officers ability to do their jobs. Our
Speaker 2: police officers are overworked, they are working you know, there
Speaker 2: there's understaffed and that's their fundamental problems to our ability
Speaker 2: to be successful. So the fact that they are successful,
Speaker 2: the fact that we have you know, this year is
Speaker 2: a hopefully an anomaly, but they have, we have been
Speaker 2: successful them well. Being understaffed, well, being overworked, is a
Speaker 2: testiment to our police officers. The policies that you talked about,
Speaker 2: that you've cited, I mean a lot of that, I
Speaker 2: would argue is rhetoric. And you know, I would argue
Speaker 2: that you can't point to a specific policy pass the
Speaker 2: citizenincinnati that actually does those things. I think it's easy
Speaker 2: to point to the rhetoric, but our officers say consistently
Speaker 2: that their hands are not tied to do the policing,
Speaker 2: their problems, and that they're overworked and understaffed.
Speaker 1: Okay, So a final point, because we run a lifefs Walsh,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a give an example of what I
Speaker 1: was just talking about. Reinforces. It's like, how is the
Speaker 1: police department? How how has it gotten to the point
Speaker 1: where we're one hundred and fifty officers behind if it
Speaker 1: weren't because we've taken the money from that and spent
Speaker 1: it elsewhere as opposed to focusing with crime rates, going up. Now.
Speaker 1: You know, overall nationally the crime rates are pretty good.
Speaker 1: Right now, we're starting to see those numbers turn Cincinnati
Speaker 1: for some reason in the first ten weeks of the
Speaker 1: year as an outlier. But if that's all true, then
Speaker 1: then how do we get to a point where one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty cops and we're losing good officers all
Speaker 1: the time because they can't stand how the department's being
Speaker 1: managed by those people the top, including the mayor. And
Speaker 1: this would go back to the beatdown over the summer
Speaker 1: in July where you know, someone gets arrested later because
Speaker 1: a captain says, Okay, we've got to cite someone. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of CPD officers in their prime who
Speaker 1: are getting reassigned because the shortages and they're just retiring.
Speaker 1: That that's a climate that this partisan bickerings helped create.
Speaker 2: The one hundred and fifty police officer short is. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can look at the data. It began during the
Speaker 2: Great Recession, where we just simply as the city didn't
Speaker 2: have money to hire more officers, and then we couldn't
Speaker 2: keep up with the retirements that were happening. Well, yes, college,
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't. I can't speak to the leadership
Speaker 2: those here, but I can tell you it was a
Speaker 2: nine Democrats like counsel will not happened. I can tell
Speaker 2: you that they were negotiating with the Republicans and the
Speaker 2: Charter and the Democrats. So to your to the point
Speaker 2: that you were trying to make earlier. You know a
Speaker 2: lot of the problems we have now we're not when
Speaker 2: is an I'm member Democrat, and so I think we
Speaker 2: have to acknowledge of the city. We are dealing with
Speaker 2: historic problems that have come for whatever reasons. Now we
Speaker 2: have to solve them. And we can point fingers all
Speaker 2: we want, or we can get to work solving the problem.
Speaker 2: And I would argue, let's get to work solve the
Speaker 2: problem because tomorrow, you know, we need to not have
Speaker 2: any violence. You know, to the next day, we don't
Speaker 2: have any violence. And whether you're a Democrat Republican, and
Speaker 2: I think we all agree with that. So let's get
Speaker 2: to work. How we do that?
Speaker 1: Are you a little scared about what's coming? I mean,
Speaker 1: if this is March, what the hell is don't going
Speaker 1: to look like July August?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of the things that keeps me
Speaker 2: up to night and it's one of the things that
Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time trying to advocate as
Speaker 2: much as I can, because we got to do better
Speaker 2: for our police, to make sure they didn't go out
Speaker 2: there to do the best for us. Famous fire. You know,
Speaker 2: we didn't touch on that. There is an anomaly half
Speaker 2: here right now with single family homes catching on fire
Speaker 2: and fatality is coming with that. Doesn't that scare you?
Speaker 2: Why is that happening? And I think we gave the
Speaker 2: root of that as well. I'm gonna use the real
Speaker 2: issues that that you keeping up to night and I
Speaker 2: keep trying to solve. But they're not going to be
Speaker 2: easy solutions. But we're not going to solve it by
Speaker 2: ignoring the fact that their real problems well.
Speaker 1: I mean exceptionally cold winter too. I think that's the
Speaker 1: the main all are. But Seth, I got to get going, man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the great debate. Felt like we're having a
Speaker 1: beer there for a minute. I love it. Hey, all
Speaker 1: the best, keep keep doing what you appreciate you man,
Speaker 1: Take care all right. Console member Seth Walsh on the
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Speaker 1: hour from now. On that, on that, on that, on that,
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Speaker 1: so walls. She Seth Walsh was on a few minutes ago.
Speaker 1: Do you think we're overreacting to the street takeover thing
Speaker 1: a little bit?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 1: Thirty nine people arrested, sixty five cars towed, and a
Speaker 1: planned streak takeover event, and you know, it's all over
Speaker 1: the news, it's all over social MEDIAU one hundred drivers
Speaker 1: involved here, people coming from all over the region, from Dayton,
Speaker 1: Columbus and elsewhere in order to participate in these street takeovers.
Speaker 1: And you got a couple stolen guns and they're sure
Speaker 1: fortunately I went injured in this thing. But is this
Speaker 1: concern over street takeovers any different than what drag racing
Speaker 1: was back in the sixties and seventies, And then cars
Speaker 1: got really crappy in the eighties and no one no
Speaker 1: one did any more because you couldn't really go how
Speaker 1: to drag race somebody when your car does like forty
Speaker 1: five miles an hour in the steerwheel shakes. So I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure I like, I'm not overreacting
Speaker 1: to this whole thing with the parole clutching, because it
Speaker 1: is about text and perspective. You know, we all and
Speaker 1: if you're been how old you are, you remember the
Speaker 1: even then grossly outdated drivers education tear scare flicks that
Speaker 1: they showed to us when we're in the process of
Speaker 1: getting our permit.
Speaker 6: The highway is a river of glass and steel, and
Speaker 6: like any river, it can kill you. This is the road.
Speaker 6: It doesn't care about you. It never has. He had
Speaker 6: the right of way, he was also dead. And my favorites.
Speaker 6: Metal does not forgive, concrete does not forgive, physics never forgives.
Speaker 7: Signal thirty and made by the Ohio State Highway Patrol,
Speaker 7: by the way, absolute legendary, legendary stuff. I don't think
Speaker 7: the driver's ed films that we watch really scared anyone
Speaker 7: and complied. So I goes certainly bloody and gory for
Speaker 7: the day, because you know, today you can get far less,
Speaker 7: far more alow of blood and gore on your phone
Speaker 7: than you could back in the day and you kind
Speaker 7: of watch it and go that's kind of gross.
Speaker 1: So the guy got ooh man. Remember I went to
Speaker 1: the guard rail and the guy was impaled, and they
Speaker 1: showed that like, oh man. I don't think it really
Speaker 1: scared anybody from not doing stupid stuff behind the wheelbows
Speaker 1: because it was like nineteen fifty. Man, come on, it's
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. Come on, that's different. Really. But I
Speaker 1: bring this up because you know, today's street takeovers are
Speaker 1: yesterday's drag race, isn't That was, of course drag race
Speaker 1: immortalized in movies like American Graffiti and others. Right, that's
Speaker 1: essentially I guess that's why I think of the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 1: like the threat of nuclear war and going in to
Speaker 1: the drive in and drag racing people. I think that
Speaker 1: were basically those three things. I was not part of
Speaker 1: the area in which I grew up, so but I
Speaker 1: look at the issue here, and it's a very serious
Speaker 1: one because you had, as I said, one hundred drivers
Speaker 1: involved in this thing, couple stolen guns and they kept
Speaker 1: moving to different neighborhoods, and a testament to CPD because
Speaker 1: they were definitely hit it out of the park as
Speaker 1: far as is following this group around and enacting arrests,
Speaker 1: and it may be part of the you know, the
Speaker 1: young brain thing. And I can't help but think, Okay,
Speaker 1: is this just is it today's version of drag racing?
Speaker 1: And in some ways yes, in some ways no. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you have young people, you have cars, you have speed,
Speaker 1: you have risk taking. And it's also part of virtue
Speaker 1: signaling and identity and community for young people because there's
Speaker 1: a subculture, its own rules, its own hierarchy, its own language.
Speaker 1: That's what being young is, right, that that's part of it.
Speaker 1: That's how you define the cohort. And of course drag
Speaker 1: racing back in the day and street tookers today both
Speaker 1: draw law enforcement attention and outrage from old people like me.
Speaker 1: And you know, the thrill seeking youth panic is nothing new.
Speaker 1: It was that way, I think right after Adam and
Speaker 1: Eve pretty much we started having the thrill seeking youth
Speaker 1: that juvenile delinquents. You know, in the nineteen sixties and seventies,
Speaker 1: drag racing was Yeah, it migrated eventually from the streets
Speaker 1: to drag strips or largely it was you know, in
Speaker 1: rural areas or highways. But the difference here is street
Speaker 1: takeovers happen at busy intersections, urban areas, with innocent people
Speaker 1: and bystanders inches away. So the risk isn't just as
Speaker 1: participants as it was with the drag races. Lots of course,
Speaker 1: you know, he went off and killed somebody, but the
Speaker 1: risk isn't just the participants. And drag racing back in
Speaker 1: the day it was about raw performance. It was getting
Speaker 1: from point A and the starting line to point B
Speaker 1: the finish line and as little time as possible. Street
Speaker 1: takeovers now it's about drifting and donuts and show and
Speaker 1: so you occupy you an intersection public space longer, and
Speaker 1: therefore it's a bigger risk of crowds. And you also
Speaker 1: factor in social media too, and it just it makes
Speaker 1: it more. You know, obviously, back in the sixties seven,
Speaker 1: I'm sure drag racing was more word of mouth. Today,
Speaker 1: you know, it goes viral overnight and it spreads. But
Speaker 1: I think the biggest difference here is I don't know
Speaker 1: if it happened back in the day, but it's there's
Speaker 1: no way it happened less than it is today in
Speaker 1: that weapons are involved here, and that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 1: You know, the street tag ver events in a number
Speaker 1: of cases involved gunfire, could be celebratory, could be from
Speaker 1: disputes and beefs. That wasn't happening with drag races back
Speaker 1: in the day, and now it's escalated to actually blocking
Speaker 1: freeway on ramps and stopping traffic and eventually you're holding
Speaker 1: infrastructure hostage, is what you're doing. That's a whole different
Speaker 1: legal and moral category than two guys racing a red light.
Speaker 1: You know, as I said, you know, fear has has
Speaker 1: always been amplified generationally. The drag racing of the fifties
Speaker 1: and sixties was portrayed is a it'd be a gateway
Speaker 1: to delinquency and depth. Juvenilinquency and drag racing go hand
Speaker 1: in hand. But you know, jazz music in the thirties
Speaker 1: also added to juvenilinquency when the automobile became something that
Speaker 1: young people embraced and leaned into, you know, with the
Speaker 1: with the little jump seat in the back, the rumble seat,
Speaker 1: you know, and going and driving out to the country
Speaker 1: now so to get away from people, so you can
Speaker 1: do what young people are doing for a long time now.
Speaker 1: And I have sex so believe it or not. Sex
Speaker 1: is not a new invention. It's been going on the
Speaker 1: time between young people because that's what you people like
Speaker 1: to have sex, and so you know, it's all put
Speaker 1: in that moral panic kind of thing going on to
Speaker 1: and that's true today as it was yesterday. But you know,
Speaker 1: most participants then weren't really people with criminal records. Most
Speaker 1: participants day now aren't either. I don't think it's more
Speaker 1: the thrill thing, but I guess the different thing is
Speaker 1: that it's the same impulse and the modern version of
Speaker 1: this is more dangerous to uninvolve people. And then you
Speaker 1: add the mix of guns in there too, and I
Speaker 1: think that's made in the dark difference between yesterday and today.
Speaker 1: But it still is built on the same old adage
Speaker 1: about these damn young kids back in my day never
Speaker 1: did anything like this. Yeah, it's because the needle keeps moving,
Speaker 1: it keeps changing, it keeps evolving, and so it was
Speaker 1: offensive to older generations when we were young. Is kind
Speaker 1: of quaint and pretty basic today because it's always evolving.
Speaker 1: So now and I think in this case, you know,
Speaker 1: taking the streets over and blocking traffic is obviously a
Speaker 1: bad idea. It could be a minor convenience. But as
Speaker 1: a matter of time, before you do this in a
Speaker 1: highway and somebody's going to get killed, and this person's
Speaker 1: gonna get killed, and we'll get serious about it. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'll circle back with our lawmaker in northern Kentucky was
Speaker 1: proposing much much stiffer crimes in Kentucky, and they're still
Speaker 1: working their way through this here in Cincinnati. Mistere mean.
Speaker 1: It's an m one, mistermeanor of first degree and it's
Speaker 1: very low. It's you know, that's a ticket. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that dissuades people from not doing it again, because,
Speaker 1: as you know, as a point of assaf the problem
Speaker 1: is we just keep arresting the same people and releasing
Speaker 1: them and debate when you say what you will about
Speaker 1: the political partisan wars out there, that's part of it,
Speaker 1: for sure. But I don't think I'm wrong in saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, the policies and Democrats and progressives are to simply, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, the criminals are victims too. I think
Speaker 1: it's a bad look. I think that's an entirely the
Speaker 1: wrong way to think about it. And here we are.
Speaker 1: There's other factors involved in this, for sure, but the
Speaker 1: touchy feel of stuff. You know, there are people who
Speaker 1: are going to be predators and take advantage of you
Speaker 1: being soft on crime, and when they're not, it just
Speaker 1: escalates it first further. And that's why you see people
Speaker 1: with shooting each other in public and claiming that it's
Speaker 1: in the act of self defense when neither one should
Speaker 1: have a gun in the first place. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: how we got here, right, there's no denying that. But
Speaker 1: we'll see where this whole thing goes in the summer months.
Speaker 1: Not even here yet. Hell, we got snow moving in
Speaker 1: today and we've got what sixties percent rise in shootings
Speaker 1: in the first ten weeks of the year. It's not good,
Speaker 1: I know, crime all overall though again the crime picture
Speaker 1: nationally just saw a story today that it's all down
Speaker 1: all over the place. So we might be an outlier
Speaker 1: in that category, and I just think we should be
Speaker 1: a little bit nervous about it warming up and what
Speaker 1: the hell happens next, And hopefully you can get the
Speaker 1: resources together and take the seriously and realize, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: sometimes you got to split some wigs in order to
Speaker 1: send the message that we're not going to allow this stuff.
Speaker 1: And you get really really tough on crime. But when
Speaker 1: you're one hundred plus one hundred and fifty plus cops down,
Speaker 1: that's kind of hard to do. It's kind of hard
Speaker 1: to do anyway, So we got that going on. If
Speaker 1: you live in suburby, like I do, not a problem
Speaker 1: for us. I haven't seen many street takeovers. But then again,
Speaker 1: you know you're you're literally close to rural areas and
Speaker 1: do this somewhere else. But you know, part of the
Speaker 1: peal too, is doing it in you know, with with
Speaker 1: Cincinnati the backdrop. I would say that other factors that
Speaker 1: social media right is doing it. I don't know out
Speaker 1: on a country road somewhere, and Clairemont County is not
Speaker 1: going to provide you with the same number of clicks
Speaker 1: as you're going to get if the backdrop is of
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati in downtown intersection. That's part of
Speaker 1: this as well. Part of this as well, all right,
Speaker 1: other stuff going on. I did not watch it. I
Speaker 1: did want to see Conan's monologue stuff because I may
Speaker 1: be an outlier. I think Conan O'Brian's hilarious, but so
Speaker 1: I'm not a big award show person. But one battle
Speaker 1: after another was a big winner last night at the
Speaker 1: Academy Awards Best Picture and Best Director and Best Supporting
Speaker 1: Actor and Best Drafted Screenplant on what that means, but
Speaker 1: I know that Sean Penn was absolutely incredible in that
Speaker 1: though I watched that one. Wow, Sean Penn is going
Speaker 1: to win an oscar and he did last night. The
Speaker 1: other big winner was Sinners, which I'm not allowed to
Speaker 1: watch because it's technically a horror flick and my wife
Speaker 1: will not allow that in her house, so IM have
Speaker 1: to sneak off and watch. So like I watched Nuremberg
Speaker 1: this weekend and with Russell Crown was fantastic, by the way,
Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic. Yeah, K Pop had a good night. I
Speaker 1: know that I did see this. Though War of the
Speaker 1: Worlds dominated the forty six Razzie Awards, that is, the
Speaker 1: awards given out to the worst films of the year.
Speaker 1: War of the Worlds. I briefly remember seeing a trailer
Speaker 1: for that going that doesn't look very good. The other
Speaker 1: movies were The Weekend, Don't Know What that is in
Speaker 1: the Lost Lands, Alarm, and tron Airis, which was terrible.
Speaker 1: The Razzies also worded Kate Hudson like ay Kate Hudson.
Speaker 1: Didn't she just do that Neil Diamond movie. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: got the Redeemer Award for her Oscar nominated performance in
Speaker 1: Songs Sung Blue, and she has won three Razzies in
Speaker 1: the past, my best Friend's Girl, Mother's Day and Music.
Speaker 1: I don't know any of those, Kate Hudson. I think
Speaker 1: she's gets got to get better screeners, like people read
Speaker 1: the script and I don't have to do this. She
Speaker 1: has a role and it's always in a terrible movie,
Speaker 1: and she's a better actress than that. But I watched
Speaker 1: Songs Sung Blue. I thought it was really really good.
Speaker 1: Who doesn't like some Neil Diamond. It was a fantastic,
Speaker 1: fairly true story on top of it, So take that
Speaker 1: for what you will. Hey, if you're headed out of
Speaker 1: town anytime soon, I feel for you. US Airlines have
Speaker 1: urged Congress to move quickly at the end the month log.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're still in a government shutdown. By the
Speaker 1: partial government shutdown. We're really good at that other stuff
Speaker 1: not so much. We had travel well last weekend, as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, and now the flight from Florida
Speaker 1: to here, it was a little bit of a long line.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, ain't nothing like it is
Speaker 1: today though, So if you have to travel anytime today
Speaker 1: in the near future, I feel for you because the
Speaker 1: TSA agents are overwhelmed. We have disruptions at a lot
Speaker 1: of airports right now. Local groups have stepped up to
Speaker 1: provide help to TSA agents who have gone without paychecks
Speaker 1: now for two weeks. The Justice Department is investigating about
Speaker 1: the cost overruns and a renovation project. We got a
Speaker 1: lot going on in the federal government right including this
Speaker 1: little war we're having by the way, it goes by
Speaker 1: the wayside. But TSA agents, man, if you're traveling, be
Speaker 1: a little bit kinder, a little bit more. I guess
Speaker 1: open to saying there's gonna be some delays. It's not
Speaker 1: their fault. They're also not getting paid and they're working.
Speaker 1: So I put ourselves, put ourselves in those shoes. It's
Speaker 1: a different story, intelligy, Speaking of which, I want to
Speaker 1: end the segment. This morning, something happened on Friday that
Speaker 1: had the potential to be weekend ruining, which was actually
Speaker 1: really really wrong. So Friday, I'm out, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: washed my car, Like okay, it's get some of the
Speaker 1: salt off got rid of the old salt, so I
Speaker 1: can get new salt today. That's fine, just try to
Speaker 1: make it another year in the old hooptie. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I roll up and I'm gonna get gas. So I
Speaker 1: roll into the gas station. I gonna use some fuel points,
Speaker 1: and I pull up to a pump and I noticed
Speaker 1: the pump in front of you. There's always two pumps,
Speaker 1: and I pull up and there's no one there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is a great time before it gets really full
Speaker 1: at lunch hour. And so I pull up a pumping
Speaker 1: my gas. Now, the pump in front of me had
Speaker 1: the orange cone of death in front of it, meaning
Speaker 1: that that pump was not working. And so I pull
Speaker 1: out and I'm pumping, and I look over and a
Speaker 1: guy's sitting behind me in his car, and he has
Speaker 1: giving me the moose Man. He's got a moose on
Speaker 1: his face. He has pissed off, and he's saying things
Speaker 1: that I can tell are directed to me, even though
Speaker 1: I can't hear it. And I know, and I'm often
Speaker 1: told by my wife STFU. But I got a chirp,
Speaker 1: so I give him the you know what, and he
Speaker 1: starts yelling through his winchel even more, and I realize
Speaker 1: it's like, because I've parked at the first one and
Speaker 1: said the second one, I'm like, well, there's a cone there.
Speaker 1: Now I can't hear it because he's in his car,
Speaker 1: And so he pulls around, swings his car on, gets out,
Speaker 1: starts pumping gas and he's with him, you know, the
Speaker 1: next island over. And I said, dude, what's your problem?
Speaker 1: You got what do we have a problem? And no,
Speaker 1: like it sounds like we have a problem. Let me
Speaker 1: know if we got a problem. And I may have
Speaker 1: sent some other choice words there to emphasize it. Something
Speaker 1: that I'm pumping my gas, I'm not paying attention, and
Speaker 1: I'm kind of pissed off, like, come on, man, what
Speaker 1: do you want me to pull up to a pump
Speaker 1: that's broken? God, people are out of their minds these days,
Speaker 1: and you know, because it's me, I'm getting myself worked
Speaker 1: up even more. And so I'm just about finishing and
Speaker 1: I look up and this guy is walking towards me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, well here we go. So I
Speaker 1: get on the right side. I don't want to trip
Speaker 1: over the uh, you know, over the hose, So I
Speaker 1: step over that, and I'm putting my watching his hands.
Speaker 1: He's got one hand in his pocket. I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if he's got something there, I'm gonna be in trouble.
Speaker 1: And so I'm looking for covermine, that pump or my
Speaker 1: car or something else. And he takes one step closer.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, he's about three or four steps away
Speaker 1: from me. So I kind of quickly moved towards him
Speaker 1: and he backs up a little bit and he goes, hey,
Speaker 1: I just want to apologize. I'm sorry. I didn't see
Speaker 1: the cone there. Man, I was wrong, and I went
Speaker 1: from having a crappy day to having an incredible day.
Speaker 1: Like I stood there for a second and then I
Speaker 1: walked towards him a little more, and he kind of
Speaker 1: backed up, thinking I was going to poke him or something.
Speaker 1: I stuck my hand out. I said, man, that is
Speaker 1: the best thing I've heard in a long time. Thank
Speaker 1: you for doing that. I understand we're all there. Hope
Speaker 1: you have a great weekend, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's like we all make mistakes and maybe react in
Speaker 1: the wrong way. But to walk up to a stranger
Speaker 1: and say, man, I was wrong, I apologize absolutely huge,
Speaker 1: and I want to be that guy more than me.
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, it was cool. Made my weekend. Scott Sloan
Speaker 1: on the way it's Austin Elmo will break down a
Speaker 1: little selection Sunday action. Miami's in. You agree with that,
Speaker 1: you gotta be happy. I'm sure Auburn fans are mad
Speaker 1: as hell about it. We got a number of teams
Speaker 1: from the area not from Cincinnati in the tournament. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to Audi about that next on the Home of
Speaker 1: the Reds and College Basketball. But not well, you see
Speaker 1: xavior over for them. How about the Red seven hundred?
Speaker 1: Nobody's Cincinnati. That music means something, well, that music used
Speaker 1: to mean some.
Speaker 7: We've got sports, sports and more sports come once mean
Speaker 7: I don't know, I don't know. It celebrates it used
Speaker 7: to mean something, used to mean something. Today we celebrates.
Speaker 1: Wow, our buddy Austin Elmore from ESPN fifteen thirty today
Speaker 1: is Austin three sixteen. Congratulations. Thanks we have. We got
Speaker 1: to get into some bracketology. As the kids say here
Speaker 1: from out the brackets, bracketology.
Speaker 7: Bracketology is more of a disease than it is a
Speaker 7: study of a science.
Speaker 1: At this point, more like a lance kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of geeky stuff. Anyway, I will say this,
Speaker 1: We've gone from Wes Miller to Les Miller. There's no
Speaker 1: more Wes Miller in the house. We have Les Miller.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you.
Speaker 7: I sat here on Friday and I was pretty confident,
Speaker 7: like Wes Miller's still going to be the coach of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Like I really thought that was going to be the case.
Speaker 7: And part of that is because I don't really have
Speaker 7: a lot of faith in the people that make the
Speaker 7: decisions over there, and I thought that they would just
Speaker 7: run it back with Wes Miller. To their credit, they
Speaker 7: did not. They did what they were supposed to do,
Speaker 7: which is move on from a dude that can't get
Speaker 7: you to the NCAA tournament. And it's bigger than that.
Speaker 1: It is the way you got in, but also how
Speaker 1: you collapse in the last few minutes of that game.
Speaker 1: And to me, Austin, I would have been shocked had
Speaker 1: this not happen in a program at this level.
Speaker 7: And I know what you say, Hey, they love Wes Miller.
Speaker 7: I guess he's got the secret sauce. But again, yeah,
Speaker 7: you can't win. But it's the way they lost that game.
Speaker 7: That you have to say, listen, this is not what
Speaker 7: we expect this program to be. Blowing an eight point
Speaker 7: lead with two minutes ago and the strange time out
Speaker 7: on the final possession to end the regulation period, and
Speaker 7: then to go into overtime and really not have much
Speaker 7: of a fight there. I think that was kind of
Speaker 7: like the perfect encapsulation of the West Miller era. When
Speaker 7: you really really needed a bucket down the stretch, you
Speaker 7: couldn't find one correct, and you just weren't able to
Speaker 7: outlast a team in UCF, which is is kind of
Speaker 7: a rival to you see it going back to the
Speaker 7: football days. So yeah, man, I it sucks for west
Speaker 7: Miller because I do think he's a legitimately good guy,
Speaker 7: and you know, he's been on our show many times
Speaker 7: and he was awesome and he was gracious and I'm glad,
Speaker 7: but I can't move the goalpost. The goal was always
Speaker 7: to get back to the NCAA tournament, and he didn't
Speaker 7: do it. It feels like he's in over his head and
Speaker 7: it just makes sense for both parties to move on.
Speaker 1: Where did they go? It's a good question.
Speaker 7: I think the main guy that keeps getting brought up
Speaker 7: for Cincinnati is Jared Calhoun, former UC assistant under By Huggins,
Speaker 7: played in his final year here. He's out there coaching
Speaker 7: Utah State. They're in the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. He's been
Speaker 7: really really good with them. He used to coach in
Speaker 7: the Horizon League at Youngstown State. Took the Youngstown State
Speaker 7: to the NC DOUBLEA tournament. So he's got some experience
Speaker 7: in this area. That's the one that makes the most sense.
Speaker 7: But you can't just say this is our guy, no
Speaker 7: matter what. You got to do a broad search. I'm
Speaker 7: sure they will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So back to the tournament selection Sunday yesterday,
Speaker 1: How surprised are you Miami of Ohio r Miami squad
Speaker 1: gets in at thirty one and one. Honestly, I was like,
Speaker 1: how do you get the play in game after going
Speaker 1: thirty one and one? Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think they got the first four that play in
Speaker 7: game in Dayton because they lost the way that they
Speaker 7: did in the MAC Tournament. If they had advanced to
Speaker 7: the MAC tournament, maybe it's a different story. Maybe they're,
Speaker 7: you know, one of those fourteen seeds it gets straight
Speaker 7: into the tournament. Maybe there's something else and they steal
Speaker 7: a bid from someone else. But because of the way
Speaker 7: that they lost, I think that bumped them down to
Speaker 7: being one of the final teams in. But they're gonna
Speaker 7: play in Dayton. That'll be awesome for Miami fans to
Speaker 7: be able to see a basically a home game less
Speaker 7: than an hour away from Oxford. To get to watch
Speaker 7: your team in the NCAA tournament. Hell yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Would be huge. And certainly they could do it against
Speaker 1: SMU and it's a home it's a home game. But
Speaker 1: then you get Tennessee in a second. Yeah, not going
Speaker 1: to be easy. Not gonna be easy. It never was
Speaker 1: going to be easy.
Speaker 7: But I mean it's better than being a fourteen seed
Speaker 7: like Wright State, who's in the same bracket. You know,
Speaker 7: it would be really funny if Miami wins and beats SMU,
Speaker 7: and then they beat Tennessee, and meanwhile Wright State beats Virginia,
Speaker 7: and Virginia, by the way, they've been known to lose
Speaker 7: a big game in the tournament in the first round.
Speaker 7: Could you imagine a Miami right State battle to go
Speaker 7: to the sweet sixteen?
Speaker 1: Would be cool. That's where dreams are made.
Speaker 7: I think it's kind of cool. I'm kind of I
Speaker 7: got it right here. You hear this. This is I
Speaker 7: got the bracket right here in front of me. It's fine.
Speaker 7: I'm looking around. I see Wright State, Miami, Akron, Ohio State, Ohio.
Speaker 7: Weall representatives. Yeah, there's a lot of teams from Ohio
Speaker 7: here except for you know a couple.
Speaker 3: Anyways.
Speaker 1: Hello, yes, check one one one one hello, okay, one
Speaker 1: too hello all right. Other than teams from Cincinnati, we're
Speaker 1: good the college basketball, yeah, staple Cleveland not having any
Speaker 1: team so choice.
Speaker 7: Cleveland State was halfway d a couple of years ago.
Speaker 7: Cleveland State from right, so the East region. Maybe a
Speaker 7: team from Ohio will move out and it could be Miami.
Speaker 1: Who knows. The bowling Green Falcons aren't in the areas,
Speaker 1: they're not nowhere, terrible at sports. So NC State, Texas
Speaker 1: and SMU, by the way, all came in after Miami
Speaker 1: of Ohio, so it wasn't like they're the last team
Speaker 1: to get in. And okay, but I still think, man,
Speaker 1: come on, you can't fourteen fifteen. But maybe this is
Speaker 1: a better position.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, either way, I think a lot the
Speaker 7: first four gets a bad rap because it doesn't feel
Speaker 7: like it's a part of the tournament. But it is
Speaker 7: This is an NCAA tournament appearance, and plenty of teams
Speaker 7: have won, especially teams that win to go on to
Speaker 7: be an eleven seed, which is what Miami would be
Speaker 7: have won in that situation and advanced in the tournament.
Speaker 7: It's far from the worst possible outcome for them. But
Speaker 7: the committee did look at the strength of schedule and
Speaker 7: the loss in the MAC tournament and say, okay, well,
Speaker 7: you're gonna have to earn your way in a little
Speaker 7: bit more because of the schedule that.
Speaker 1: You had to face. Yeah, all right, Austin Almore your
Speaker 1: your your Ohio State Buckeyes. Yeah and tcu uh an
Speaker 1: eight seed and first down matchup. Buckeye should should win
Speaker 1: that one. If they do, though, how dangerous are they mean?
Speaker 1: You know, Duke is the one that everyone has in
Speaker 1: a second round, They're gonna get Duke.
Speaker 7: So tough scene for Ohio State when you h literally
Speaker 7: the second game revealed right after Duke is oh hey,
Speaker 7: Ohio State, if you win, you get to play the
Speaker 7: number one all seed in the Duke blu Devils. But listen,
Speaker 7: Ohio State is this situation similar to you see where
Speaker 7: they took a brief hiatus from the NC DOUBLEA Tournament.
Speaker 7: They haven't been there in a few years either, and
Speaker 7: so they're finally back. The best story about Ohio State
Speaker 7: is Bruce Thorton. He is stuck around in Ohio State
Speaker 7: for five years. He never left in the transfer portal.
Speaker 7: He has been committed and loyal to that program. They've
Speaker 7: changed coaches, all that stuff that typically a guy would
Speaker 7: at the first chance runaway, Bruce Thornton stayed. Bruce Thorton's
Speaker 7: now the all time leading scorer in Ohio State basketball
Speaker 7: history and for the first time in his career, gets
Speaker 7: to go to the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. That's a fun story.
Speaker 7: TCU is no pushover. I mean, we've seen them a
Speaker 7: little bit in the Big Twelve this year watching Cincinnati.
Speaker 7: They're not going to be it's not going to be
Speaker 7: a blowout. Here's the thing with Ohio State. They play
Speaker 7: about thirty five minutes of really good basketball every night,
Speaker 7: and they play five minutes of the worst basketball you've
Speaker 7: ever seen. And that's why they're twenty one to twelve.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 7: So it seems like every game they play in the
Speaker 7: second half, there's this little lull, and if they can
Speaker 7: withstand that lull, they can advance and after that, good
Speaker 7: luck against Duke.
Speaker 1: All right, so it wasn't coach k It was like Duke.
Speaker 1: They had to get a lot of legitimacy pants back
Speaker 1: here after Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's been a minute
Speaker 1: a while, stay a minute, right, get used to it.
Speaker 1: Every year, Coach k it is going to be there.
Speaker 7: Just and their coach John Shire came up with coach
Speaker 7: k and so still anytime he leaves, it's going to
Speaker 7: take a second to get back to this. And this
Speaker 7: is the standard for Duke basketball to be the number
Speaker 7: one overall season. Just speaking coming back, Louisville's in there
Speaker 7: as a sixth seed. They got South Florida. I believe
Speaker 7: you know, South Florida. That's pretty significant too. Yeah, deep
Speaker 7: can they go? I don't know if they're going to
Speaker 7: get past South Florida. I mean, right now, there may
Speaker 7: not be a hotter team in college basketball than the
Speaker 7: South Florida Bulls. A lot of people are picking this
Speaker 7: team just because of how good they are offensively, as
Speaker 7: that first round upset to take over Pat Kelsey and Louisville.
Speaker 7: So they got a tough draw for sure, and even
Speaker 7: if they do win, they're likely going to play tom
Speaker 7: Izzo in Michigan State. I mean, that East Region bracket
Speaker 7: is loaded with so much any good teams. Mick Cronin's
Speaker 7: on that side of the bracket as well. Oh, by
Speaker 7: the way, Danny Hurley and the Yukon Huskies are in
Speaker 7: that bracket as well. I mean that is difficult. No Oh,
Speaker 7: there's Kansas by the way as well. So it's not
Speaker 7: going to be easy. But Louisville's back in the tournament.
Speaker 7: South Florida can score man and that's going to be
Speaker 7: a challenge for Louisville.
Speaker 1: In Louisville is part of an interesting trend here. If
Speaker 1: you look at the multi bid conferences, the MAC got
Speaker 1: two in again every twenty years you do to thirty
Speaker 1: forty years, you got the A ten head two, the
Speaker 1: Big twelve had eight, ACC had eight, doubled the number
Speaker 1: of teams representing the ACC this year.
Speaker 7: Part of that, Yeah, I mean that's a credit to
Speaker 7: that conference because that used to be one of the
Speaker 7: best different the best basketball conferences in the country. And
Speaker 7: so many years of Duke and North Carolina going back
Speaker 7: and forth and all that. Clemson has a good team,
Speaker 7: They've made the tournament this year and Louisville's resurgence under
Speaker 7: Pat Kelsey back where they're supposed to be.
Speaker 1: Now, NC State and SMU are playing games that's hey,
Speaker 1: they're there, Yeah they are, they're there. Let's go do
Speaker 1: uk Kentucky and it's say seventeed the Midwest they've got
Speaker 1: they're picking up Santa Clara. So like a little preseason
Speaker 1: game there at a little for Kentucky. They played, Kentucky.
Speaker 7: Played, they're playing down Yeah, I mean, you want to
Speaker 7: talk about five minutes of horrible basketball. Kentucky fans have
Speaker 7: seen that a lot at times this year for them. Yeah,
Speaker 7: you just never know what Mark Pope's team is gonna
Speaker 7: gonna give you. And there are times where they look
Speaker 7: like they could easily make a run deep in the tournament,
Speaker 7: and there are times where they look like they should
Speaker 7: be playing in the CBI. Like it's hard to put
Speaker 7: a finger on what Kentucky is going to be on
Speaker 7: a nightly basis. And I'm not going to sit here
Speaker 7: and pretend that I know anything about Santa Clara.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, I have no clue, no clims
Speaker 1: like that I have know who this is. However, if
Speaker 1: they do beat Santa Clair, they got a good play
Speaker 1: Iowa State. That's a little bit more of a test. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 7: I mean the Big Twelve, I think is the best
Speaker 7: basketball conference in the country. In Iowa State, though, is not.
Speaker 7: They've lost big games before. I mean they've lost games
Speaker 7: they shouldn't have lost before. You might remember since Sinnatty
Speaker 7: beat them like a Grand Canyon Mule a couple of
Speaker 7: weeks ago. So yeah, I mean it's it's it's as
Speaker 7: corny as it sounds, like the whole March madness thing.
Speaker 7: Like you can see a run for any number of
Speaker 7: these teams, like early on favorites losing in the first round.
Speaker 1: It's very possible, Like a team like Houston.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: Houston's a perfect example. They are not nearly what they
Speaker 7: used to be, but they're still really good. But there
Speaker 7: are more holes than we've seen from them in the past, right, Right,
Speaker 7: But they're just one of.
Speaker 1: Those teams like you don't know what you're gonna wind
Speaker 1: up getting. Oh, you can say I made Kentucky, you
Speaker 1: know Kentucky Ohio State they put can can get rid
Speaker 1: of that five minutes of IC or ten minutes of INC. Yep,
Speaker 1: they can make a deep run here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's consistency, it's you know, the big thing. I
Speaker 7: always feel like every good basketball team, when you need
Speaker 7: it the most, has a player that can go and
Speaker 7: get you a bucket, that can put the team on
Speaker 7: their back. And you know, I think Ohio State has
Speaker 7: that in Bruce Thornton. You know, obviously the name that
Speaker 7: that a lot of people are talking about right now
Speaker 7: from Arkansas is is Darius Acuff, who went crazy yesterday
Speaker 7: for John Calipari. By the way, how about coach col
Speaker 7: all of a sudden sec champions I'm on with Arkansas.
Speaker 7: You know those types of players. Do you have that
Speaker 7: player that you can lean on to go and get
Speaker 7: you a bucket in a big moment?
Speaker 1: All right? So we're chopping up with Austin Elmore here
Speaker 1: from ESPN fifteen thirty with the March madness now in
Speaker 1: full swing here on seven hundred WW. Big star of
Speaker 1: course is Mayam Ohio getting in. He has to playing
Speaker 1: game in Dayton yet it's gonna be a home game
Speaker 1: for them. Can they advance? Sure? But after that it's Tennessee.
Speaker 1: So circle that one on your calendar. I would point
Speaker 1: out too, going back to Miama, Ohio, Austin that Auburn
Speaker 1: went seventeen and sixteen and they beat Florida defending national championship.
Speaker 1: They didn't get en over Miami. How to how pissed
Speaker 1: are the people down there.
Speaker 7: I'm sure they're upset, But also they went seventeen and sixteen.
Speaker 7: That's true, and they obviously have a really difficult schedule
Speaker 7: and playing in a really good conference. And I understand
Speaker 7: that argument to say the least. But I mean, you
Speaker 7: went seventeen and sixteen. You gotta win the games that
Speaker 7: are on your schedule, and they were inconsistent all year long.
Speaker 1: We think Miami of Ohio is the darling, but I mean,
Speaker 1: clearly the darling is Nebraska. It's one of those teams
Speaker 1: that you're like, wow, Nebraska. Yeah, I mean they've been
Speaker 1: pretty good.
Speaker 7: I mean they were at one point there were three
Speaker 7: undefeated teams left in the country. It was Miami, Arizona,
Speaker 7: and Nebraska. And I remember, you know, like you rub
Speaker 7: your eyes and you look at it again, does that.
Speaker 1: Say what we're talking for? Nebraska?
Speaker 7: That's what I thought when I saw a higher state
Speaker 7: in TCU playing, I said, is it twenty fourteen in
Speaker 7: the College Football Playoff? But yeah, it's yeah, it's it's
Speaker 7: pretty wild to see Nebraska back in the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 7: All right, So every bracket is going to have a
Speaker 7: double a double of the Huskers double digits to goes.
Speaker 1: Are you going to join our office bracket Challenge this year? No?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: I might?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?
Speaker 8: I want?
Speaker 1: I don't know because it's I'm not sure. I don't
Speaker 1: like to pretend to like you know what. I picked
Speaker 1: my friends. I picked my own friends. I'm asking you
Speaker 1: to be best friends.
Speaker 7: I'm asking you for ten American dollars because the people
Speaker 7: and a submission to the tournament challenge, and if you win,
Speaker 7: you you win a couple of bucks.
Speaker 1: When's the when is my when's the bracket deadline? In
Speaker 1: this fine office? By Friday or by Thursday?
Speaker 7: Thursday? Okay, Thursday at noon. I'll get it into you.
Speaker 7: I would like it if you did. I make it
Speaker 7: really easy on people. I've been so for years. No,
Speaker 7: he's normally the last couple of years, he's been towards
Speaker 7: the bottom. But you know, Moe bestowed this responsibility upon
Speaker 7: me a couple of years ago. And you're one of
Speaker 7: the people that were chasing You've never participated since I've
Speaker 7: been a part of it.
Speaker 1: I don't really like you people.
Speaker 7: I know that, but that doesn't you don't have to
Speaker 7: You don't have to sit and watch the games, you know,
Speaker 7: because you're my buddy, You're Austin. I'm in Okay, thank you,
Speaker 7: I'm in Ai. It's ten bucks. It's not the money
Speaker 7: you lose one hundred in the wash every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah I do. That's why I'm going to the filter
Speaker 1: taking a washing again. Every bracket has that double digit
Speaker 1: Cinderella story in the East. Who is it? Oh boy?
Speaker 7: From a double digit seed to Ohio State? Is that
Speaker 7: Yukon Louisville. I don't think Furman can do it.
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't know. I don't think Florida can
Speaker 1: do it. I got no hops run.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, it's amazing how quickly you can do that,
Speaker 7: like to just like between him and said, you just
Speaker 7: don't even hesitate.
Speaker 1: To h by the way I have, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what a method. When when we.
Speaker 7: Left the old studios to these studios that sometimes work,
Speaker 7: there was a reds jersey with Furman the last name
Speaker 7: are Furman on the back. You gave me that jersey
Speaker 7: when we have that, I still have it still.
Speaker 1: That's huge.
Speaker 7: And it's funny because that thing was pinned up. The
Speaker 7: front of it was up against the wall, so the
Speaker 7: back of it is like all dusty and worn and
Speaker 7: seen by the sun, but the front of it looks
Speaker 7: like a brand new jersey. And it's probably twenty five
Speaker 7: years old. You get him to sign it. I know,
Speaker 7: I need to get a Randy Firman.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 7: Anyways, South Florida in the East is the double digit
Speaker 7: seed to go.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, Louisville, Louisville, you're out. You're out. Is it
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion that Duke is your national champion? I
Speaker 1: don't think so.
Speaker 7: I think the best teams in the country are Michigan,
Speaker 7: Florida and Duke. I'm not entirely a believer in Arizona,
Speaker 7: but you can absolutely make that argument. And I'll never ever, ever, ever,
Speaker 7: ever ever pick Michigan to win anything. So I'll take
Speaker 7: the Florida Gators to go back to back and win
Speaker 7: the national champs. So again, you're betting with your heart
Speaker 7: and not your head. Uh, this is a mix of both. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 7: all right, fair enough. Austin Elmer, what's on the Big Show?
Speaker 7: Today at noon on ESPN fifteen thirty. We're going to
Speaker 7: see if we remember how to do a show because
Speaker 7: Kentucky basketball preempted us Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 1: Of last week.
Speaker 7: Can you see if Tony still recognizes me? Now, Tony
Speaker 7: was the Saint Patrick's Day Parade grand marshall over the weekend,
Speaker 7: so I have no idea what type of condition he's
Speaker 7: going to be in.
Speaker 1: When he walks the studios today. He should be fine, buddy.
Speaker 1: He's got Patrick's Day now, that's true. And as Leprechaun
Speaker 1: and he's the Yeah, he's the Queen of the prom
Speaker 1: so all that sort of stuff. So we'll see how
Speaker 1: he does. We'll see if we remember how to do
Speaker 1: a show.
Speaker 7: But we got a lot to talk about that we
Speaker 7: didn't get to last week, especially the Bengals and obviously
Speaker 7: Wes Miller and so on.
Speaker 1: Yep, you got it. So it's all a chopped out
Speaker 1: again at noon today over in ESPN fifteen thirty. Give
Speaker 1: it a listen. Thanks again, Buddy, appreciates you. Here's my
Speaker 1: ten bucks seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 7: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here
Speaker 7: to help us get our heads right.
Speaker 4: This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julietshire.
Speaker 1: That was interesting. You know, your brain, maybe not mine,
Speaker 1: but your yours was built for the outdoors. Most of
Speaker 1: us barely step outside, ay more especially kids, and there's
Speaker 1: some significant things that happened, some good things had happened
Speaker 1: when you do on that in that mind body connection.
Speaker 1: Is Julie hat to share, our licensed mental health therapist
Speaker 1: out of Clifton and Cincinnati, jumping on the show again
Speaker 1: this morning at beconnected dot Care. Good morning, how are you?
Speaker 5: Good morning? I'm great?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. We were outdoors yesterday. Today is a
Speaker 1: different story because we're in Cincinnati and the weather sucks here.
Speaker 5: It's really not pretty out is it.
Speaker 1: It is not no, no, no no. You go from
Speaker 1: good to bad to bad and good. But it's true.
Speaker 1: We know that the human brain needs it and we
Speaker 1: need a little bit of outdoors. What specifically happens when
Speaker 1: you step outside is I guess the big question here?
Speaker 1: That makes you feel good? Or at least it should
Speaker 1: make you feel good. Anyway, from a clinical standpoint, what
Speaker 1: do you see in patients who are chronically indoors? How
Speaker 1: does that show up?
Speaker 9: It's interesting because you know, for most of our human evolution,
Speaker 9: we use large parts of our lives outside. Even if
Speaker 9: we worked, for example, in a factory, we still generally
Speaker 9: walked to and from work. We often live large parts
Speaker 9: of our lives outside. And it's only been in the
Speaker 9: last really small part of the entire history.
Speaker 5: Of human evolution that.
Speaker 9: We've gone from a home to a vehicle, to an office,
Speaker 9: to a vehicle to a home without really spending any
Speaker 9: time outside. And as we have become more sophisticated in
Speaker 9: testing what happens in our brains.
Speaker 5: And our bodies, we're learning that time.
Speaker 9: Outside, even as little as five to ten minutes, can
Speaker 9: make a difference in how we feel and how our
Speaker 9: bodies act physiologically, and how we feel in terms of our.
Speaker 5: Mental processes, in our moods. And so it doesn't even
Speaker 5: have to be on a.
Speaker 9: Lovely day, on a day like today, just being outside
Speaker 9: in nature in five to ten minutes, the heart rate flows,
Speaker 9: the nervous system calms down, and the stress response starts
Speaker 9: to go away. To ten minutes outside, that's not doing
Speaker 9: anything special, that's just being outside. In thirty minutes, we
Speaker 9: get even more benefits. We get a drop in cortisol,
Speaker 9: we get a drop in blood pressure, we get increased
Speaker 9: muscle relaxation, and we get a boost in mood in
Speaker 9: thirty minutes of just being outside.
Speaker 1: It's amazing interesting. One of the phrases used here is
Speaker 1: attention restoration that keeps coming up in the research. What
Speaker 1: does that actually mean.
Speaker 9: Well, we've talked many, many times about how we get
Speaker 9: over stimulated. There's so much calling our attention with all
Speaker 9: of the inputs we have from all of our devices,
Speaker 9: from all of the people in our world, from all
Speaker 9: of the sites and sounds around us. If you live
Speaker 9: in a big city, it's like sensory overload. My big
Speaker 9: city is sort of like being a casino.
Speaker 5: Or an adult chuck e cheese. You know, it's sensory overload.
Speaker 9: Well, there's a lot that calls our attention when we're
Speaker 9: in nature, but it's softer.
Speaker 5: All of those calls are softer.
Speaker 9: Wind moving through trees, bird sounds, grass under feet, leaves
Speaker 9: crunching under us, the feel of the wind on our
Speaker 9: face if we're sitting in the grass, the feel of
Speaker 9: the grass under us, and so it allows our brain
Speaker 9: to stay engaged, but to sort of go offline a
Speaker 9: little bit, which then allows us to solve problems better,
Speaker 9: to be more imaginative, to focus better after time in nature,
Speaker 9: to be more creative, to be better at problem solving.
Speaker 9: All of those things happen after about thirty to forty
Speaker 9: five minutes in nature with devices turned off, so no
Speaker 9: inputs through your ears other than what you hear in
Speaker 9: the world around you, no screens in front of your face.
Speaker 5: The brain resets and.
Speaker 9: Can become much more productive in the aftermath of that
Speaker 9: than it was going into it.
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha, No, that makes sense. And we hear a
Speaker 1: lot about screen time being bad for us. Is there
Speaker 1: real problem the screens themselves or the screens are keeping
Speaker 1: us inside?
Speaker 9: Both actually, because if you're on your screen outside, you're
Speaker 9: still not getting the full benefit of what's around you.
Speaker 9: It's better than being inside on your screen, but you're
Speaker 9: still not reaping the full benefit of what's around you.
Speaker 9: And you know, we talked about how crummy the weather
Speaker 9: is in Cincinnati, and that's often the case, but even
Speaker 9: being outside in bad weather, there's a lot of benefit
Speaker 9: to that because the sun is shining, whether we can
Speaker 9: see it or not, and the sunlight, even if it's
Speaker 9: filtered through the cloud resets our circadian rhythm. We still
Speaker 9: feel the effects of the wind and the temperature and
Speaker 9: the surroundings, and it has the same impact.
Speaker 5: Whether the weather is good or whether the weather is bad.
Speaker 9: But the screens typically keep us inside, and they keep
Speaker 9: us focused on artificial lights and artificial stimuli, which don't
Speaker 9: have the same impact on the brain as being outside
Speaker 9: in the world does.
Speaker 5: Whether it's a forest or near.
Speaker 9: The ocean, or on a river or on a lake,
Speaker 9: whatever it is, being out or in a meadow, being
Speaker 9: outside in the world has this impact on our body
Speaker 9: and our brain and unervous.
Speaker 1: If I'm on screen, if I'm a scrolling TikTok for
Speaker 1: seven straight hours, but I'm doing it on a park bench,
Speaker 1: isn't that better? Don't I get credit for something?
Speaker 9: You get credit for being on a park bench.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm outside. I get the benefit of vitamin D
Speaker 1: in the smell of the air, the birds. But I'm uh,
Speaker 1: it's more entertaining to be on my phone, So it's better.
Speaker 9: It's better than being inside, but it's not as good.
Speaker 5: As putting your phone down.
Speaker 9: It's not as good as putting your phone down, and
Speaker 9: some of the things that it takes very little, like
Speaker 9: thirty to sixty minutes a day improves your.
Speaker 5: Mood and reduces anxiety.
Speaker 9: Thirty to sixteen minutes a day also improves your focus
Speaker 9: and mental clarity, and twenty.
Speaker 5: To sixteen minutes a day.
Speaker 9: Improves your sleep because of the light exposure first thing
Speaker 9: in the morning and first thing in the morning. Light
Speaker 9: exposure is really if you're having sleep difficulties, getting up
Speaker 9: and opening your eyes and getting outside for about twenty
Speaker 9: to thirty minutes, even ten or fifteen helps. First thing
Speaker 9: in the morning sends the signal to your body that Okay,
Speaker 9: it's daytime and now we need to start moving. That
Speaker 9: then lets it power down at night when the light
Speaker 9: goes down and the sun goes down.
Speaker 1: Okay, Julie, morning sunlight gets mentioned for a lot of sleep,
Speaker 1: But why does that timing specific morning? Why does that
Speaker 1: matter so much?
Speaker 9: Because our bodies operate on a circadian rhythm. We are designed.
Speaker 9: Before there was electric light, we were designed to go
Speaker 9: to three point it got dark and to wake up
Speaker 9: when it was light. And for centuries, for much of
Speaker 9: human evolution, we lived like that.
Speaker 5: And then there was candle light, which was still a
Speaker 5: softer light than.
Speaker 9: Electric light or firelight, and then electric lights came along,
Speaker 9: and electric lights extended the day significantly, dramatically extended the day,
Speaker 9: and our bodies and our brains didn't.
Speaker 5: Necessarily catch up to that.
Speaker 9: So what happened and when you get morning light is
Speaker 9: it tells your brain and your body and your hormones, okay,
Speaker 9: now it's time to get going on your day. And
Speaker 9: all of those things work together, and via the pituitary
Speaker 9: gland is one of the glands involved. All of those
Speaker 9: things work together, and then as the sunlight goes down,
Speaker 9: your body says, okay, it's time to start powering down.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 9: That's why we tend to sleep more in the winter
Speaker 9: than we do in the summer, because daylight keeps us
Speaker 9: awake longer, and when the lights go down, our body
Speaker 9: tends to shut down. But the trigger for all of
Speaker 9: that is mourning sunlight, whether it's sunny or gray light today, getting.
Speaker 1: Outside helps Julie. I blame whales. I blame whales well.
Speaker 1: So it was whale oil, lamp oil well, the original
Speaker 1: lamp oil was whale oil. When we discovered a lamp
Speaker 1: oil well from whales, we hunted whales, and it almost
Speaker 1: made him extinct, and then we took the land and
Speaker 1: we said, well wait a minute, now we've got petroleum
Speaker 1: in the ground, let's do that. And that was the
Speaker 1: beginning of the twenty four to seven life cycles. But
Speaker 1: you're going back a couple hundred years there. We have evolved,
Speaker 1: have we not? Two hundred years that we don't need.
Speaker 1: We just don't need. We don't live like that anymore.
Speaker 1: So haven't we evolved?
Speaker 9: I would say we've adapted to the life that we're living, but.
Speaker 5: We actually haven't evolved.
Speaker 9: Our brains and our bodies still work essentially the same
Speaker 9: way they did then. Our brains still respond to the
Speaker 9: keys and the signals of daylight and darkness the way
Speaker 9: that they did then. So we have adapted to a
Speaker 9: longer and artificially extended day, we have adapted to a
Speaker 9: shorter and artificially shortened night, but we have not necessarily
Speaker 9: evolved to it. So we still need what we needed,
Speaker 9: We've just adapted to live without it, all right.
Speaker 1: She's our licensed mental health practitioner, Julie Hattershare on the
Speaker 1: Scotsland show Metal Health Monday, talking about your brain being
Speaker 1: built for being outdoors and we barely step outside these
Speaker 1: days and got a lot of what ails us from
Speaker 1: mental health and beyond. Even the body for that matter,
Speaker 1: be fixed with a little bit of just going out,
Speaker 1: putting the phone down, and even just standing in your
Speaker 1: standing in the middle of the road example, jumping out
Speaker 1: of the way of the street takeovers. Getting outside is
Speaker 1: a big deal. We're not doing it off and just
Speaker 1: a little bit is going to go a long way.
Speaker 1: So what is the bare minimum here? We're talking like
Speaker 1: ten minutes a minute an hour.
Speaker 9: How long we're talking five to ten minutes. First thing
Speaker 9: in the morning is the thing that if you have
Speaker 9: a hard time incorporating this, that's where you should start.
Speaker 5: Five to ten minutes first thing in the morning.
Speaker 9: Take your morning coffee or whatever it is you drink
Speaker 9: in the morning outside, sit on your patio or your porch,
Speaker 9: walk around in your garden, even if it's really cold.
Speaker 5: Just a couple of minutes will help.
Speaker 9: Go out and bundle up and just get a couple
Speaker 9: of minutes of sunlight through your eyes first thing in
Speaker 9: the morning. It helps reset your hormones, it helps tell
Speaker 9: your internal clock that it's time to wake up, and
Speaker 9: it actually helps you get much more restorative sleep when
Speaker 9: you do sleep at night. So that's the bare minimum
Speaker 9: that most of us should be doing on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: All right, ten minutes is the bare minimum. Well, some
Speaker 1: of us work for a living, and we got to
Speaker 1: get up early, Julie, what about us? We just that's it,
Speaker 1: plany in the funeral. Now, what if you.
Speaker 9: Get up and you're at work before it's light out,
Speaker 9: then the first opportunity you get to go outside and
Speaker 9: get some sunlight through your eyes five to ten minutes
Speaker 9: as soon as the sun is up. If you can
Speaker 9: get outside and get some sunlight through your eyes, that
Speaker 9: will really help you and it will actually help make
Speaker 9: it easier for you to get up in the middle
Speaker 9: of the night when you have to to get to.
Speaker 5: Work before the sun is up.
Speaker 9: So it all works really well if your brain and
Speaker 9: gets that signal first thing in the morning, and it's
Speaker 9: harder if it doesn't. And so it's worth taking five
Speaker 9: or ten minutes and taking a little walk. Go get
Speaker 9: a cup of coffee and walk to the coffee shop
Speaker 9: instead of you know, just grabbing it from your kitchen,
Speaker 9: if that makes sense, whatever works for you. Just get
Speaker 9: your sunlight first thing in the morning if you can.
Speaker 1: Is there a meaningful difference between like walking through a
Speaker 1: city park or your backyard if you live in the burbs,
Speaker 1: or walk in the woods, or walking out on the
Speaker 1: ledge you're building and contemplating things as your coworker, there's appreciable. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but as long as i'm outside, it's still good.
Speaker 5: It's still good.
Speaker 9: But your balance needs to be really on point if
Speaker 9: you're walking on the ledge of the building. But no,
Speaker 9: your backyard, a city park, even down a city street,
Speaker 9: as long as there's some sunlight and there's some air
Speaker 9: movement and there's some part of nature. Obviously nature is
Speaker 9: better than city streets. But what matters. First thing in
Speaker 9: the morning is the sunlight. You can get that anywhere.
Speaker 9: But in terms of the other things, your backyard is lovely.
Speaker 9: If you like to garden, go putter in your garden
Speaker 9: for twenty or thirty minutes. If you have a park nearby,
Speaker 9: take your dog for a walk. And if you are
Speaker 9: and I live in Mountlookout Hyde Park area, which is
Speaker 9: you know, an urban area with a lot of nature
Speaker 9: around it. Don't focus on the street in front of you.
Speaker 9: Focus on the trees, focus on the grass, focus on
Speaker 9: the flowers in somebody's yard, focus on the natural elements,
Speaker 9: pay attention to what the birds sound like in the wind,
Speaker 9: in the trees.
Speaker 5: That is also really beneficial and will help you feel better.
Speaker 5: Why Geologically, your blood.
Speaker 9: Pressure and your hormones regulate and your nervous system calms down,
Speaker 9: and things change in your body within fifteen or twenty
Speaker 9: minutes of doing that for the better, they change.
Speaker 5: For the better.
Speaker 1: What about someone who works long hours, has a very
Speaker 1: demanding job, and you genuinely can't carve time outside. You
Speaker 1: can't get it. You can barely get a way to
Speaker 1: go to the restroom, let alone go outside for five
Speaker 1: to ten minutes. Is there anything you can real sickly do?
Speaker 9: Do it when you can do it on the weekends,
Speaker 9: do it in the evenings because although we're talking a
Speaker 9: lot about light, being outside in nature in the evening
Speaker 9: is helpful too.
Speaker 5: So when you get home from.
Speaker 9: Work, whatever time that is, if you've got five or
Speaker 9: ten minutes to have a cup of tea or glass
Speaker 9: of wine or a glass of water and sit outside
Speaker 9: and just listen to the wind and feel the world around.
Speaker 5: You, that can be helpful.
Speaker 9: If you can't do that, roll the windows down in
Speaker 9: your car when you're driving home and turn the radio
Speaker 9: off and just enjoy what's around you, hear the night sounds,
Speaker 9: feel to breeze. If you can't do that and you
Speaker 9: don't get a break at work at all, try to
Speaker 9: get up five or ten minutes earlier and get outside.
Speaker 9: Do it on the weekends, do it on your vacations.
Speaker 9: Every little bit helps, but daily is better.
Speaker 5: Than in chunks.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we talk about this as a menthol all
Speaker 1: to it. And again the optimal is doing it first
Speaker 1: thing in the morning for sunlight, or at least when
Speaker 1: the sun is up at a reasonable hour before you
Speaker 1: start your day. But you know, in a panch, anytime.
Speaker 5: In a pinch, anytime can do.
Speaker 9: And overall, overall, what we know is that about one
Speaker 9: hundred and twenty minutes a week is what's necessary for
Speaker 9: optimal functioning.
Speaker 5: So it can be broken into chunks.
Speaker 9: Ideally you do smaller chunks every day as opposed to
Speaker 9: two big chunks on the weekend. But if that's all
Speaker 9: you can get, that's all you can get.
Speaker 5: I mean, really, there are.
Speaker 9: People who simply can't get outside very much during their
Speaker 9: work week, and that's understandable.
Speaker 5: So about one hundred and twenty minutes is optimal.
Speaker 9: And so if you've got to break that into five
Speaker 9: or ten minute chunks, and you've got to use some
Speaker 9: in larger portions and some in smaller, little bite sized portions,
Speaker 9: that's fine too.
Speaker 5: But it's all counts.
Speaker 9: It all helps, and first thing in the morning is
Speaker 9: ideally the best.
Speaker 1: All right, So if you missed the being in a
Speaker 1: segment about being outside for five to ten minutes really
Speaker 1: will help help you in many, many, many ways, just
Speaker 1: being out in the outdoors. If you miss that, this
Speaker 1: is showing up. How how does it present? When you
Speaker 1: don't get enough outdoor time.
Speaker 9: Attention challenges, your sleep isn't as restorative as it might
Speaker 9: otherwise be. You sometimes have a difficult time getting to
Speaker 9: sleep or staying asleep because your brain hasn't gotten the
Speaker 9: signal that it's time yet, because it didn't really get
Speaker 9: the signal that it was time to wake up.
Speaker 5: And that's the other thing.
Speaker 9: Long term morning grogginess can happen because your brain hasn't
Speaker 9: gotten fully gotten the signal that it needs that it's
Speaker 9: time to wake up and get moving during the day.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also Monday, too, so let's just pump the
Speaker 1: brakes a second on expectation.
Speaker 9: Well, that's true, but but mid day grogginess as well.
Speaker 9: People tend to get a little intentionally challenged between two
Speaker 9: and four in the afternoon. But one of the things
Speaker 9: that we've noticed in the studies that I've read is
Speaker 9: that this early morning sunlight helps minimize that, so you
Speaker 9: can stay more productive during the day.
Speaker 5: And if you're more.
Speaker 9: Productive during your day, then maybe you don't need to
Speaker 9: do as much work when you get home in the evening,
Speaker 9: which might allow you to get outside more.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, there some mood, mood.
Speaker 9: Improves and irritability decreases, and so you're going to be
Speaker 9: less irritable with your family and friends, and your mood
Speaker 9: is going to be better, which is going to make
Speaker 9: you more fun to be around, which is going to
Speaker 9: give you more social opportunities.
Speaker 5: So all good stuff.
Speaker 1: Did a long weekend last weekend down in Florida at
Speaker 1: our friend's place. How long does that boost last recharge
Speaker 1: in the battery, so to speak? Get in sunshine now,
Speaker 1: Florida sunshine is real sunshine, not we'll pass us for
Speaker 1: us here in the Midwest, right, it's real sunshine, Donner.
Speaker 1: How long is that a car real done picketure your
Speaker 1: body battery, and a lot of people do that this
Speaker 1: time of year, maybe if you're fortunate to have a
Speaker 1: place down there or whatever. But how much does that
Speaker 1: recharge things?
Speaker 9: It lasts about a week, because you really need about
Speaker 9: one hundred and twenty minutes, like about two hours a week,
Speaker 9: and so it'll last you about a week and then
Speaker 9: you're going to need to recharge it again.
Speaker 5: And now that the time change has happened.
Speaker 9: We have more daylight and spring is coming. I thought
Speaker 9: this was a really opportune moment to have this conversation
Speaker 9: and get people into the habit of getting outside regularly
Speaker 9: so that when the weather changes and it gets yuckier,
Speaker 9: which it will, they can already be in the habit
Speaker 9: of doing that and maybe continue that even in the
Speaker 9: gross weather.
Speaker 7: So I got to go to Florida every week and
Speaker 7: I don't know, Willy money, Willy time, what are we
Speaker 7: doing here?
Speaker 1: I can't do that?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I wish we could go someplace for
Speaker 5: him every weekend. It would that just be the best, right.
Speaker 7: Well, some people who travels, like they work out of
Speaker 7: state or whatever, does they do that on the regular
Speaker 7: largely they drive it.
Speaker 1: But and I don't know how you do that for
Speaker 1: a sustained period of time. I know a guy who
Speaker 1: commuted from Ohio to Ottawa, Canada every weekend for five years.
Speaker 5: Imgine that.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine it either either in a plane or
Speaker 1: it's crazy, right, but he did. He did insane, I
Speaker 1: know I'm talking about. That's a different level of stress, right.
Speaker 1: You never see the outdoors. You're going backwards. You got
Speaker 1: to go the other ways on. But anyway, well, thank
Speaker 1: god we deported him. Anyway, Julie hattersh here is here.
Speaker 1: She's our licensed mental health therapist and she's at Bconnected
Speaker 1: dot Care in Clifton. Again, if you want to reach
Speaker 1: out to her directly for a question, concern, comment, or
Speaker 1: maybe a future topic, it's hey Julie at B Connected
Speaker 1: dot Care Mental Health Monday with Julie. Thanks again, have
Speaker 1: a great week, Thank you. All the best news on
Speaker 1: the way in about five minutes, so get get outside.
Speaker 1: Well maybe not today today we got snow coming in,
Speaker 1: scattered snow showers just after and they said it's not
Speaker 1: going to stick. Uh, but again, once you start seeing
Speaker 1: the flakes, after what we were treated to the last
Speaker 1: two days here. It is ald depressing, is it not?
Speaker 1: You'd agree with me there. The good news is the
Speaker 1: warm up is on the way, although the cold's gonna
Speaker 1: last a little. But anyway, I'm butchering this forecast. How
Speaker 1: about we get it from catch Market nine. Well, she'll
Speaker 1: do that, chuck as your traffic. We've got news and
Speaker 1: seconds here on the home of the Red seven hundred
Speaker 1: WWT Cincinnati. Do you want to.
Speaker 4: Be an American idiot holding your seven hundred w dow?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Your electric bill is already painful? Man, it hurts right,
Speaker 1: So now we add artificial intelligence into the equation. The
Speaker 1: AI boom is really running our power grid down here
Speaker 1: in America, especially in the Midwest, really really thin right now.
Speaker 1: You know this. I've talked about it a lot. You
Speaker 1: We're gonna see blackouts. The rates are going to continue
Speaker 1: to rise. There seems no end in point, no no
Speaker 1: breaking breaking points coming up. Let's face it, and experts say,
Speaker 1: you know, you can expect unless we do something drastic,
Speaker 1: you can expect rolling blackouts for businesses and for homes neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: It may not be far behind. I know that's like
Speaker 1: doomsday prophecy stuff, but It's true. You can only squeeze
Speaker 1: so much juse of that lemon? Right, So what do
Speaker 1: you do when you can't trust the power grid anymore?
Speaker 1: This is where you got to start thinking about options here.
Speaker 1: His name is Levi, bobmin. Levi is the chief revenue
Speaker 1: officer for a company called Ingenuity Power Systems. That's Ingenuity
Speaker 1: with an E. And welcome to the show. How are you?
Speaker 3: Thank you so much?
Speaker 8: Gay, We're living the dream and super excited to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank yeah, yeah, thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: The thing is the US par grid was built for
Speaker 1: a different era entirely, and now we have AI. We
Speaker 1: have data center expansion. I mentioned off the are Ohio
Speaker 1: is fifth in data centers. We want to be number one.
Speaker 1: We've got about seventeen plan right now. In every municipality.
Speaker 1: It's going to face this issue of data centers at
Speaker 1: least neighboring communities for sure, and whether or not if
Speaker 1: they come in, but how they look. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: not going to be We're not turning off AI anytime soon.
Speaker 1: It's the future. And data centers now consume about three
Speaker 1: percent of all of our electricity. That could double triple
Speaker 1: or quadruple by twenty thirty, right, so just just a
Speaker 1: handful of years. Because the major tech companies, the Amazons
Speaker 1: and Microsoft, the Google's are using gigawatts of power, which
Speaker 1: is about the same as small cities, and we have
Speaker 1: PGAM as our great operator here in the Midwest, they're stretched,
Speaker 1: really saying. A lot of the experts are saying, be
Speaker 1: prepared for brownouts, be prepared for rolling blackouts unless things
Speaker 1: change dramatically. But I don't know how we can do
Speaker 1: that considering how long it takes to put this infrastructure in.
Speaker 1: So that's the setup. Leave How close are we realistically
Speaker 1: to seeing widespread residential and commercial power disruptions in the
Speaker 1: United States and to the Midwest in the Tri State
Speaker 1: Here in Cincinnati, Scott.
Speaker 4: I'm really impressed because you are absolutely right, and not
Speaker 4: enough people are talking about it. It is absolutely going
Speaker 4: to happen this summer. So we'll see it happening this summer.
Speaker 8: Once people start turning on their air conditioners, they're plugging
Speaker 8: in those electric cars and only gets worse.
Speaker 4: It's not as bad in the winter because people use
Speaker 4: furnaces to heat their homes and heat their buildings, so
Speaker 4: that is running on gas, but it is coming, and
Speaker 4: it is coming now, so it'll happen in this summer.
Speaker 8: You're absolutely right.
Speaker 4: And what will be short a real number for you
Speaker 4: by pjam by twenty thirty, which the number that you
Speaker 4: use is eighty gigawats, and what a gigawatt? One gigawatt
Speaker 4: is equal to one nuclear power plant, and we just
Speaker 4: can't get a Milton time. You're absolutely right, and nobody
Speaker 4: wants to live by a nuclear power plant. Where we
Speaker 4: need the power is where the people live.
Speaker 8: So we are the answer. We're one of the answers.
Speaker 8: We're not the only answers. It's going to take a
Speaker 8: lot of substitutes.
Speaker 4: But that is our whole slogans, be your own utility.
Speaker 4: So what we do is we manufacture CHPs, which is
Speaker 4: combined heat and power units. Think of us as a
Speaker 4: boiler that is also a generator.
Speaker 8: So we make heat.
Speaker 4: Over a million BTUs of thermal load in the form
Speaker 4: of hot water. We produce fifty eight gallons of hot
Speaker 4: water at two hundred and three degrees per minute, and
Speaker 4: in doing so we produce one hundred and eighty kilowats
Speaker 4: of continuous three phase prime power.
Speaker 8: So the President said.
Speaker 4: Himself, whether you love him or you hate him. He
Speaker 4: brought it up during the State of the Union and
Speaker 4: he told commercial properties and businesses that you are going
Speaker 4: to have to bring your own power.
Speaker 8: Well, that's going to be the solution.
Speaker 1: And because we're in distressing because your company, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's one hundred kill a lot and two hundred kill
Speaker 1: a lot power stations basically, and this is not for you.
Speaker 1: Your house does not need one hundred kilo loots, but
Speaker 1: your small business, medium sized business does. And so your
Speaker 1: generators in particular produce electricity as well as heat, and
Speaker 1: that is that natural gas.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 4: So we run on four fuel sources, so you can
Speaker 4: use natural gas, you can use pro pain, you can
Speaker 4: use biogas, and you could use hydrogen and HPS. By
Speaker 4: definition as a category, we take one fuel source and
Speaker 4: we produce two outputs.
Speaker 8: So you put.
Speaker 4: Gas in, natural gas in, and you get heat out,
Speaker 4: and you get power.
Speaker 8: We're out. That's what we.
Speaker 1: Do, gotcha. Some might say, okay, well, if we start
Speaker 1: going towards generators with natural gas, what then happens as
Speaker 1: the price of natural gas goes to the roof, So
Speaker 1: where's the offset?
Speaker 8: So that's a great thing for our country though, if
Speaker 8: you think.
Speaker 4: About our overall political stance and our overall security. We
Speaker 4: have a lot of natural gas, so natural gas is
Speaker 4: not in short supply.
Speaker 8: The prices of that are not going up.
Speaker 4: We can we have our own and so we're much
Speaker 4: more secure as a country to use our natural gas
Speaker 4: versus being dependent on electricity, and that requires usually a
Speaker 4: lot of batteries in different.
Speaker 8: Forms, right, and those batteries are not great. Well.
Speaker 1: We're adding more evs or at least hybrids online, so
Speaker 1: the load for your house is even in more demand,
Speaker 1: and that just adds to it. Obviously, commercial on our
Speaker 1: price is the bigger the business, the more power they need.
Speaker 1: And AI is at the very top of that pyramid,
Speaker 1: but certainly down near the bottom of residents and neighborhoods
Speaker 1: and the like where hey, listen, you know, I get home.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure when it's two thousand degrees
Speaker 1: here and as hot as a dog's mouth and Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: that I get home to air conditionings. The opposite when
Speaker 1: it comes to the very cold winter we just had.
Speaker 1: But if you're a business owner or worker, you hear, hey,
Speaker 1: the grid's under stress. We just assume that's an infrastructure problem,
Speaker 1: the utility companies, the government are solved. That's a pretty
Speaker 1: dangerous assumption, isn't it.
Speaker 8: It really is a very dangerous assumption.
Speaker 4: And what we really believe is that the facilities that
Speaker 4: will thrive in the next decade won't just consume energy,
Speaker 4: they'll produce it. Because the reality is politicians like their
Speaker 4: jobs and in order for them to keep their jobs,
Speaker 4: they got to keep your air conditioning running. So they
Speaker 4: are going to prioritize residential homes to make sure that
Speaker 4: they stay on because the outcry is just too great.
Speaker 8: But will they'll shift that not having it and they'll
Speaker 8: pull back. The supply is going to be for all
Speaker 8: the commercial properties because they're going.
Speaker 4: To have to bear increased rates and increase lack of civility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all work for someone, so you're going, wow,
Speaker 1: that's my money, that's my income, that's my benefits. It's
Speaker 1: all that stuff for sure, But there's also the residential sides.
Speaker 1: What you guys sell a producer right now is not
Speaker 1: built for residential. It's built for commercial. At the smallest
Speaker 1: unit you have as one hundred kilowatts, which you know
Speaker 1: he may be able to power a subdivision with that
Speaker 1: for sure, and maybe that's in the future hoas get
Speaker 1: together and buy something like that.
Speaker 4: Right exactly, exactly, And so really what we see is
Speaker 4: the grid prioritizing residential. So where we're focused is not
Speaker 4: so much the data center size because to what you said,
Speaker 4: they're buying the megawats, right, and so what we're producing
Speaker 4: is kilowats. So we're focused on every other business out
Speaker 4: there that is impacted by these higher utility rates.
Speaker 1: And then what you don't use, you can sell back
Speaker 1: to the utility. By law, they have to buy back,
Speaker 1: right absolutely.
Speaker 4: So that's a little bit dependent on the area and
Speaker 4: by the utility, but that is the goal, and I
Speaker 4: believe that that will become more and more popular as
Speaker 4: this energy crisis increases.
Speaker 1: It really does. Levi Bauman is here. He is a
Speaker 1: chief revenue officer, chief financial officer for Ingenuity Power Systems.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the stress on the grid and it's
Speaker 1: you know, this is his business for sure, and it
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of alarm bells going off. But
Speaker 1: typically as Americans, we ignore problems. The big problems I've
Speaker 1: mentioned countless times on my show is the power grid
Speaker 1: issue here for businesses and for residentialists. As we put
Speaker 1: more AI and more demand, more load on the system,
Speaker 1: we don't have the capacity. We don't have the lines,
Speaker 1: we have the transmission, we have any of that. In
Speaker 1: doing that anymore is going to take ten, fifteen, twenty years.
Speaker 1: With right aways and everything else, we are going to
Speaker 1: as we add more AI, we're going to face brownouts.
Speaker 1: That's a natural fact at home, but especially in business.
Speaker 1: And his company helps solve part of that problem with
Speaker 1: natural gas and these combined units that generate electricity and
Speaker 1: it generates heat using natural gas. So when you hear
Speaker 1: that for commercial customers, one thing, if I say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I listened to live on a street. I don't have
Speaker 1: a subdivision, it's my house. I'm scared that that should
Speaker 1: I just go get a regular generator. But that's usually
Speaker 1: off of gasoline or diesel, which is a whole other
Speaker 1: issue entirely. What's the solution for residents to hear this?
Speaker 8: Well, for residents to.
Speaker 4: Hear this, it's really to work with their utility companies
Speaker 4: to ensure that their utility companies are working with business
Speaker 4: owners to get them using CHPs right. They really have
Speaker 4: to push on the utility to make sure that they're
Speaker 4: being prioritized over data centers, over any new commercial properties
Speaker 4: that are being built, to ensure that they're.
Speaker 8: Going to have stability for their homes.
Speaker 1: What industries are most exposed to a serious disruption if
Speaker 1: the grid starts to fail to keep up.
Speaker 8: Oh, it's really everybody.
Speaker 4: I mean, I would I'd like to tell you that
Speaker 4: it's this one particular area, but it's really everybody. And
Speaker 4: what the President talked about and what PJAM published right
Speaker 4: after the State of the Union is that they're essentially
Speaker 4: going to go a lifeboat style, if you will. So
Speaker 4: the last in so any new buildings that are being built,
Speaker 4: any new subdivisions.
Speaker 8: They'll be the first turned off.
Speaker 4: So the grid is essentially PGM is essentially saying, listen,
Speaker 4: we're at capacity right now. Yeah, and so whatever is
Speaker 4: added to it, that'll be the first that will be
Speaker 4: taken off. And so anyone who is considering any new
Speaker 4: type of building, any new type of business, they should
Speaker 4: be looking at HPS to at a bare minimum supplement
Speaker 4: their power in order to do peak shaving and really
Speaker 4: produce the primary power they need for most of their loads,
Speaker 4: and then any excess that they would need, then they
Speaker 4: would use the grid as a backup.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. So it is it's like work, right, last tired,
Speaker 1: first fired.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Unfortunately, that's just the way it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And we're also going to see huge rate increases as well.
Speaker 1: And so what's a realistic number if your commercial customer,
Speaker 1: you know, what does an energy budget even look like?
Speaker 1: If you're trying to budget out electric costs over the
Speaker 1: next five years. That's impossible, isn't it.
Speaker 8: It really is. I mean, you're looking at a bare
Speaker 8: minimum of probably a.
Speaker 4: Twenty percent increase in your utility costs, and it's not
Speaker 4: unrealistic to consider forty percent. I don't know the rates
Speaker 4: off the top of my head for you in Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: but you know in California they're paying fifty one cents
Speaker 4: of kilowatt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's substantially higher than what we're paying here.
Speaker 1: And speaking of California, ballso Texas in there we've seen
Speaker 1: rolling blackouts. Is that now a realistic scenario for the Midwest?
Speaker 1: And if so, how soon?
Speaker 8: Yeah? This summer, So we will start to see that
Speaker 8: this summer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the primary driver of that is that the biggest
Speaker 4: use of electricity in a residential property.
Speaker 8: Is your air conditioner.
Speaker 4: So in the winter, this problem isn't as bad because
Speaker 4: people are using furnaces to heat their homes. But the
Speaker 4: country for the past ten years has gone through this
Speaker 4: idea of going to heat pumps, and a heat pump
Speaker 4: is essentially turning your air conditioner into your furnace as well. Right,
Speaker 4: So we've eliminated furnace use and we've increased our electrical use,
Speaker 4: which only come hounds this problem.
Speaker 1: So you got to be thinking about getting a generator. Now,
Speaker 1: natural gas would be the best option for a house.
Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, at least as some form of backup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have a backup, have a plan, right. But you
Speaker 1: know the other thing we haven't talked about Leevi Bauman,
Speaker 1: is a national security issue here that you know, a
Speaker 1: grit under this kind of stress. You know we're having
Speaker 1: as we speak, terror attacks, right, we saw cyber attacks,
Speaker 1: we saw attack on infrastructure. Man, it doesn't take much
Speaker 1: to knock that whole house of cards over, does it.
Speaker 8: No, it really doesn't.
Speaker 4: And we are currently working with the DoD to help
Speaker 4: ensure that. So we do a lot of things with
Speaker 4: the National Guard, in particular to ensure that the armories
Speaker 4: have their own backup power or their own primary power
Speaker 4: that we produce for them to eliminate that risk.
Speaker 1: Leevi I. Bauman on the show this morning on seven
Speaker 1: hundred WW. He's the chief financial officer chief revenue officer
Speaker 1: for Ingenuity Power Systems that make commercial generators for businesses
Speaker 1: the small, medium, and large because of the unreliability infrastructure,
Speaker 1: and saying that even for residential customers, which is most people,
Speaker 1: well all people listening are residential customers, that we could
Speaker 1: see brownouts and outages this summer, because he's saying it's
Speaker 1: going to happen because of just how strained our power
Speaker 1: grid is in this country right now and national security
Speaker 1: huge issue. You know, there's something called the concept of
Speaker 1: behind the meter power generation. People are here maybe hearing
Speaker 1: that for the first time and never thought about it,
Speaker 1: and this is what we're talking about here. The concept
Speaker 1: is going to get a lot of attention in next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and that really is our slogan, right, be
Speaker 4: your own utility.
Speaker 3: And so we are.
Speaker 4: Behind the meter power generation, so on site generated prime power.
Speaker 4: And then what we do in order to get eighty
Speaker 4: eight percent efficiency from our unit is that we capture
Speaker 4: that exhaust heat and we turn that through a heat
Speaker 4: exchanger into that hot water property can then use to
Speaker 4: run through an absorption chiller so it can create their
Speaker 4: air conditioning. They can put it into a storage tank,
Speaker 4: and we essentially become their hot water heat.
Speaker 1: What's the word on incentives federal incentives to do this stuff?
Speaker 1: Is there money coming in?
Speaker 8: There is all kinds of money coming in.
Speaker 4: So it's a little bit dependent on the state that
Speaker 4: you live in and what they're doing. From an AI perspective,
Speaker 4: as you said, you're doing a.
Speaker 8: Lot in AI.
Speaker 4: So there's more available in Ohio than there is in
Speaker 4: other areas. But yes, there's all kinds of federal incentives,
Speaker 4: rural incentives, and local state incentives.
Speaker 1: Okay, Levi Bauman again, he is the CFO or Ingenuity Systems.
Speaker 1: They make one hundred kilowatt in two hundred kilowatt power
Speaker 1: stations basically behind the meters we're talking about. So for businesses,
Speaker 1: as power becomes more and more in demand and more
Speaker 1: unstable because of that demand, it's an option you should
Speaker 1: be looking at because doing it now is going to
Speaker 1: save a lot of heartache. Because we start it's like
Speaker 1: anything in America, you know, no one takes the hurricanes
Speaker 1: seriously until all of a sudden they see clo then
Speaker 1: they run to the tame deep onto tray, get plywood
Speaker 1: and bottled water. It's like the time to do that
Speaker 1: is now right one.
Speaker 4: You know, I really couldn't conceptualize this until I went
Speaker 4: on safari in South Africa and we're staying at a
Speaker 4: really nice resort and then they come to us at
Speaker 4: breakfast and say, now make sure you charge your phone
Speaker 4: by ten am, and then we'll lose power until five o'clock.
Speaker 4: Then we'll have power from five to nine o'clock, but
Speaker 4: we lose power during the day so that their grid
Speaker 4: can prioritize office buildings during the day when people are
Speaker 4: at work. And so, I mean, I just thought that
Speaker 4: was crazy. And then I was working for Residio and
Speaker 4: for Honeywell, and I got a call from Tony Yutley,
Speaker 4: our CEO at Intinuity Power Systems, and then he showed
Speaker 4: me this data from PJM and he explained that's what
Speaker 4: we're headed towards.
Speaker 8: And so being im working for a.
Speaker 4: Company that can provide a solution to help our nation
Speaker 4: with this is why I'm so excited to be.
Speaker 1: Here feels third world. But third world is coming to
Speaker 1: America before we know it. LEVI abouming all the best.
Speaker 1: Thanks again for jumping on. The show is really interesting
Speaker 1: and frightening at the same time.
Speaker 8: I really appreciate it. Thank you so much, Scott, have
Speaker 8: a great day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot of money too. I mean ten
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen grand for a generator. Wof just another expense
Speaker 1: you've got to look forward to. And I don't think
Speaker 1: it's one of those things we can fix really quickly either,
Speaker 1: just simply because it takes a long time to get
Speaker 1: more transmission and generation, but particularly transmission online. That's just
Speaker 1: a fact. Anyway, onward Scott's loan show. We've got news
Speaker 1: on the way in just about four or five minutes here,
Speaker 1: and then thirteen days from now it is opening today.
Speaker 1: I don't care what's happening. I don't care it's gonna snow.
Speaker 1: Us do care about it. I ain't trying to hear
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Speaker 1: The Reds are thirteen days now from opening day. We're
Speaker 1: inside that two week window, two rotation spots up for grabs,
Speaker 1: and their top candidate was struggling. And the latest and
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Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 3: Plonie is going to be with you. We are so close.
Speaker 3: We're talking about roster spots and it feels like there's
Speaker 3: only a couple, but I'm happy. I keep looking at
Speaker 3: the forecast. I know you're not supposed to do that,
Speaker 3: but as of right now, it doesn't look horrible.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we don't know. Two we don't know for two
Speaker 1: hours from out alone, two weeks. Hell, I mean walking
Speaker 1: on in shorts, Yesterdaday, I got to get the snowshovel
Speaker 1: back out. And of course the other side of this
Speaker 1: was they had to move game times in Arizona because
Speaker 1: there's one hundred and bleep degrees out there, so you're
Speaker 1: getting extreme temps in Arizona and we're getting a stream
Speaker 1: comes here in Ohio, I don't hopefully we won't have
Speaker 1: snow in the ground for opening day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember twenty twenty one I have about froze
Speaker 3: in the outfield, and it's been a few years since
Speaker 3: that happened, so I'm still kind of got that in
Speaker 3: the back of my mind, like it could be coming.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: So relatives of the Reds, they have two open rotation
Speaker 1: spots and we got three candidate. It's a good problem
Speaker 1: to have, especially with your ace out for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: Rhet Lauder has been the most consistent I think, all
Speaker 1: spring and then he comes out and what almost fifty
Speaker 1: pitches and two innings? Is that a concern?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: It's just a build up. I think that the number
Speaker 3: of pitches is the key number for any pitcher in
Speaker 3: spring camp, especially when they are competing for the starting rotation.
Speaker 3: It's just how many pitches can they get in one outing?
Speaker 3: You know, you might have fifty pitches to be three
Speaker 3: or four innings, but they're trying to work themselves up
Speaker 3: to about one hundred pitches. Last year, in his first
Speaker 3: season as manager, Terry Francona had said that he would
Speaker 3: like all of his pictures to be stretched out to
Speaker 3: one hundred pitches by the time camp breaks. So he's
Speaker 3: working his way up to that number. He's got a
Speaker 3: few more starts to get there, and I think he will. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the other guy here is Chase Burns, and as
Speaker 1: opposed to building up, they're taking more off his plate, uh,
Speaker 1: to get him a little bit of time to get
Speaker 1: getting his groove here louder struggles I mentioned, So Brandon
Speaker 1: Williamson is there is there an opportunity here to get
Speaker 1: one of those spots.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought it was interesting the way that both
Speaker 3: guys were talked about. Of course, you know, everybody's new
Speaker 3: favorite buzzword around the Cincinnati Reds is dload. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, upload down load back to front load.
Speaker 3: Now we're dloading. But so that that was kind of
Speaker 3: a strange thing to hear, and it feels like semantics.
Speaker 3: But at the same time they were talking about Brandon
Speaker 3: Williamson and one of the things that Terry Francona said
Speaker 3: is he's still going to work on getting into his
Speaker 3: routine because some days are good and some days, well
Speaker 3: they aren't. And it's like okay, So it sounds like
Speaker 3: both guys are dealing with a little bit of something
Speaker 3: right now. And the interesting part about Chase Burns, like,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's unprecedented, and it's possible that Derek
Speaker 3: Johnson talked with Terry Francona about this and like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, we had this other guy whose last name
Speaker 3: rhymes with smell and the way that he treated his
Speaker 3: pitchers at the beginning of the year. They only threw
Speaker 3: like four innings in their first start, and that kind
Speaker 3: of feels like what they might end up doing with
Speaker 3: Chase Burns, I mean, only throwing twenty eight pitches his
Speaker 3: last time out. Realistically, he's got three more starts between
Speaker 3: now and opening day, maybe just two in a bullpen session,
Speaker 3: so it's not likely he gets stretched out to that
Speaker 3: one hundred pitch mark, So I would expect that. I
Speaker 3: still expect him to be in the opening day rotation,
Speaker 3: but I think his first start to be more of
Speaker 3: the four tough, five inning variety as opposed to a
Speaker 3: six inning one that we would like to see.
Speaker 1: All right, waita, it's the Hunter Green situation and we're
Speaker 1: in this era arm care, monitoring even and deloading. The
Speaker 1: situation of Chase burns though it kind of tells us
Speaker 1: about the way the Reds are managing pictures. Does it
Speaker 1: feel like it's different this year and how they're they're managing,
Speaker 1: especially with the medical staff. And I bring Hunter Green
Speaker 1: back in because a guy, you know, had elbow chips
Speaker 1: that can't you can't fix that with an injection, that's surgery.
Speaker 1: That's why he's out. He had the all off season
Speaker 1: to do this, and yet here we are today. So
Speaker 1: does it feel like they're changing their tune or at
Speaker 1: least changing their strategy when it comes to management from
Speaker 1: a medical standpoint.
Speaker 3: I think so. And I think the only issue that
Speaker 3: they've had has just been the messaging with it. I
Speaker 3: think they've been much more careful with the guys in
Speaker 3: spring training. We keep hearing, you know, different things about
Speaker 3: this and that and the other. In fact, you know,
Speaker 3: there was a conversation with Nicolodolo the other day where
Speaker 3: he alluded to, without going into any specific detail, that
Speaker 3: he is already preparing for the blister issue, which he's like,
Speaker 3: I've never had the blister this early on in the season,
Speaker 3: so it's never been a problem. But they're doing as
Speaker 3: much as they can right now to prevent it from
Speaker 3: ha Benina at any point in the year. So I
Speaker 3: feel like the mantra, albeit ironic with how one hundred
Speaker 3: Greens News played out, is just being careful with this
Speaker 3: pitching staff as you get into into the year, because
Speaker 3: I think they understood that most of the starting rotation
Speaker 3: was set before Cactus League games even began, and so
Speaker 3: it was really about keeping guys healthy and making sure
Speaker 3: that they are warmed up and ready to go for
Speaker 3: the season, and not so much about Hey, make sure
Speaker 3: you go out there and you can give me your
Speaker 3: best stuff in February and early March, where it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter because we need your best stuff in August and
Speaker 3: late September.
Speaker 1: And nf and then the final push in the last
Speaker 1: thirteen days of spring training. Jeff Carr, Obviously, these guys
Speaker 1: want to show out so you can lock up a rotation.
Speaker 1: Spot Terry Francona came out and already announced the starters
Speaker 1: were opening day, at least the first three. Of course,
Speaker 1: you've got now to decide who the other two and
Speaker 1: what that looks like right now, if that were today,
Speaker 1: what would it look like.
Speaker 3: I think for me, it's it's going to be red
Speaker 3: Louder as the fourth starter and Chase Burns as the
Speaker 3: fifth starter. Now, the significance of this would be those
Speaker 3: two guys would pitch in the Pittsburgh series that follows
Speaker 3: the Red Sox series that was the Red Sox being Abbot,
Speaker 3: Lidolo and Singer, and then you would see those two
Speaker 3: guys going up against a couple of key starters for
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh that's always every single one of those series. This
Speaker 3: year is just going to be super heightened with the
Speaker 3: way that Pittsburgh attacked their offseason trying to get themselves
Speaker 3: up to the level where the Reds are, and you know,
Speaker 3: in their minds even past that point, there's four teams
Speaker 3: that are competing for this division and so you're going
Speaker 3: to need your best stuff. I still think that Brandon
Speaker 3: Williamson will be up here.
Speaker 5: At some point because they're going to have to manage.
Speaker 3: The innings of Red Louder and Chase Burns. But those
Speaker 3: are the two guys that I think deserve those spots.
Speaker 1: We think Green may be back by when All Star break.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say probably after the Alto.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, it just keeps repeating itself again. He gots
Speaker 1: back after it, but hopefully Abbott, Lodolo, Singer, Louder and
Speaker 1: Burns and Williamson can keep you in the hunt. I
Speaker 1: mean that's the goal, right is to win the division
Speaker 1: and go wall to wall. Can you do it with
Speaker 1: that rotation you do with those guys? How much do
Speaker 1: we miss Hunter Green? I guess we'll find out shortly here,
Speaker 1: but with everyone fighting for roster spots and also Ferguson's
Speaker 1: on the iel as well, so how much more pressures
Speaker 1: that put on? This starting rotation.
Speaker 3: Definitely puts a little bit because you look at the
Speaker 3: bullpen and you felt good about the two lefties and
Speaker 3: Ferguson and Burke, and now you move Ferguson out at
Speaker 3: least for the time being, and you talk about Burke
Speaker 3: and Mall, and where Burke is a strong pitcher, he's
Speaker 3: not necessarily that effective against lefties as far as Payla
Speaker 3: Ferguson was, So you're gonna have to lean more on
Speaker 3: Sam Mall than I think anybody would have guessed, or
Speaker 3: some people didn't want to see him, But I feel
Speaker 3: really good about him bouncing back in a big way.
Speaker 3: He was a guy that a couple of years ago
Speaker 3: there was a stat that I and I never really
Speaker 3: came up with a good term for, but a relief
Speaker 3: pitcher that came into a game didn't allow a base
Speaker 3: runner and got at least one strikeout. And Alexis Diaz
Speaker 3: led the team in twenty twenty four. We know how
Speaker 3: that went ye, but Sam Mall was number two, and
Speaker 3: so I think that he is a guy to watch
Speaker 3: bounce back in this bullpen in a big way this year.
Speaker 3: But you're right, like the bullpen isn't going to be
Speaker 3: starting the year full strength, but probably going to have
Speaker 3: Luis May in the back end. I would think he
Speaker 3: takes that open spot that Ferguson vacates. Albeit there's been
Speaker 3: some interesting performances from Hagen Danner, and there's been the
Speaker 3: guy that they acquired from the Pittsburgh Pirates for Tyler
Speaker 3: Callahan and Kyle Nicholas, but I still think we see
Speaker 3: some usual suspects there filling out the balls.
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time talking about the starting rotation,
Speaker 1: but the more pressing roster question might be the bullpen.
Speaker 1: You got three open spots.
Speaker 3: There three open spots, and it feels like one of
Speaker 3: the guys that, at least when camp began I felt
Speaker 3: like Honor Phillips did a lot toward the end of
Speaker 3: last season to earn a spot, and while he hasn't
Speaker 3: had the most consistent spring, I still think he earns
Speaker 3: one of those spots. So you're looking at two spots,
Speaker 3: and I think it's Sam Mall and you can kind
Speaker 3: of shuffle Luist May and Zach Maxwell back and forth there.
Speaker 3: I think that we will see a lot of both
Speaker 3: this season. There's never been now as much as we
Speaker 3: talked about twenty twelve is the last time that the
Speaker 3: Reds really only used five starting pitchers, except for the
Speaker 3: one time that they had to play a doubleheader and
Speaker 3: use somebody else. We've never seen this season where they
Speaker 3: only use eight relief pitchers. There's definitely a lot more
Speaker 3: guys that are going to get up here, but I
Speaker 3: think the start we'll see one of May or Maxwell,
Speaker 3: and my money's on May between those nos.
Speaker 1: Jeff Carr from Lockdown Red's thirteen days left before it
Speaker 1: starts for real here in Cincinnati. With opening Day, all right,
Speaker 1: we talked about the arms, let's talk about positional players.
Speaker 1: Three airs in one inning on Saturday, two from wild
Speaker 1: pickoff throws, one from a Jajblede just absolutely lazy from
Speaker 1: what it's on. I like, you know, that's always kind
Speaker 1: of been a trend with the base running two and
Speaker 1: of course defense. Do you just chalk that up as to, hey,
Speaker 1: it's spring training or three hours in one inning. It
Speaker 1: seemed like it's one of those things where mentally it multiplied.
Speaker 3: I definitely would say it's a little bit of both.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you're talking about the pickoff moves.
Speaker 3: You wonder a little bit if it's just okay. It's
Speaker 3: a lot of differences, whether it be first baseman and
Speaker 3: pitcher and who's used to who and how does that
Speaker 3: all play out. But the Bledet thing is interesting because
Speaker 3: he came into camp really competing with Will Benson for
Speaker 3: a spot on this roster. You weren't going to keep
Speaker 3: both because you just don't have enough spots from the
Speaker 3: bench to do that, and especially whenever they went and
Speaker 3: they got Nathaniel Low, it was clear you're only going
Speaker 3: to keep one of them at least for opening day.
Speaker 3: And I kind of feel like, as much as we
Speaker 3: talked about early on, neither guy had lost it. I
Speaker 3: think Will Benson has sort of separated himself a little
Speaker 3: bit more here, and so jj Bleda is kind of
Speaker 3: behind the eight ball, and he's he's a guy that's
Speaker 3: probably if he hasn't already turned it on, he needs
Speaker 3: to turn it on right now. And I almost wonder
Speaker 3: a little bit if that was him. Okay, I gotta go,
Speaker 3: and then he just makes a bone head move and
Speaker 3: so there's there's part of me that thinks that there's
Speaker 3: something more to that error. Not all spring training errors
Speaker 3: are created equal, sure, but at the same time, it's
Speaker 3: it's going to reflect more on his resume than it
Speaker 3: would say on some of the other fielders. All right.
Speaker 1: Now, the other side of that, I'm said it was
Speaker 1: Ellie's still selling three bases. I mean, he has spent
Speaker 1: unbelievable in the infield for that matter, looks loaded. You
Speaker 1: got day La Cruz, he got McLain, Hey, Suarez, Stewart.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of baths to manage, and it's a
Speaker 1: great problem for Tito, you know.
Speaker 3: That's that's been the question that we asked just about
Speaker 3: every spring training game, is Okay, what do we take
Speaker 3: away from this game that means anything at all? And
Speaker 3: we've we've had some fun with the hard contact and
Speaker 3: the way the guys have just absolutely smashed the baseball.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about Matt McLain a lot this spring,
Speaker 3: but that for me was the biggest sign that everything
Speaker 3: is okay with Eli de la Cruz because there was
Speaker 3: that one play or that one sequence where he got walked,
Speaker 3: he steals second, South Stewart hits an easy single up
Speaker 3: the middle, and Ellie scores from second on that easy single,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, that is the sign to me that
Speaker 3: everything is good with the guy who everything needs to
Speaker 3: be good with. And so we're ready to go with
Speaker 3: La de la Cruz because if he is able to
Speaker 3: score on those types of plays and will, by the way,
Speaker 3: if he's adding more power to his game and things
Speaker 3: like that, then we are talking about, you know, really
Speaker 3: getting excited for our expectations for a guy that should
Speaker 3: be a top ten player in the league. And he
Speaker 3: didn't play like that last year, but I think we'll
Speaker 3: see that and.
Speaker 1: It really feels, I mean, it's really well done if
Speaker 1: we can continue this pace with the Reds because bringing
Speaker 1: Suarez and it it lightens, it makes it easier for
Speaker 1: their guys to do what they do, and that's Matt
Speaker 1: McClain and Eli de la Cruz and they're all playing
Speaker 1: phenomenally right now, and hopefully we don't have a we
Speaker 1: saw last year. It's like, oh, they're losing one nothing.
Speaker 1: These one run games. They can put some runs up
Speaker 1: and cover some of the problems in the bullpen and
Speaker 1: certainly the starting rotation. It's not gonna tay much of
Speaker 1: guys to get the dub.
Speaker 3: Right. And I think that that's the key thing to
Speaker 3: underscore here when it comes to Suarez, is that if
Speaker 3: these guys are going like they can, Suarez just has
Speaker 3: to do one thing. He just has to match to
Speaker 3: baseball songs. He's doing that, then he's doing everything that
Speaker 3: the Reds needs him to do because they are leaning
Speaker 3: more on Ellie McClain, Stewart and those guys to really
Speaker 3: carry this ball club. They did not bring in au
Speaker 3: Heeni asar As to be a superhero because I've seen
Speaker 3: people wonder, They're like, is he going to be as
Speaker 3: good as they need him to be? And I keep
Speaker 3: telling me, folks on like, you're over selling what the
Speaker 3: Reds are asking him. Reds are asking him to mash
Speaker 3: bombs and just keep this lineup dangerous, and he is
Speaker 3: well within his capability of doing that, especially when you've
Speaker 3: got Ellie doing everything that he can do on a
Speaker 3: baseball field on top of everybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had McClain, You add Sal Stewart and some
Speaker 1: of these other pieces in their haze, and it's a
Speaker 1: really really good mix. Steer right right, Everyone's hitting on
Speaker 1: all cylinders here, So I can't wait. At thirteen days
Speaker 1: from now, it'll be opening day here on the Home
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Speaker 1: As always, I'll start it off Jeff Carr. You can
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Speaker 1: That's the only daily Reds podcast, year round two and
Speaker 1: no one is certainly knows more about this ball club
Speaker 1: than Jeff. Appreciate you joining us on this Monday morning.
Speaker 1: We'll talk next week, buddy, Appreciate you. We've got news
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