WEBVTT - 3-16-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.960 Do you want to be an American? On the weekend 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:05.960 in the books, and we're back at here, scotts Fold, 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:09.200 thanks for jumping in the show on seven hundred ww. 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:13.480 You know, even without the mass shooting, Cincinnati's crime numbers 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.640 are up sixty two percent. I believe that the first 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.040 ten weeks ten eleven weeks of twenty twenty six, and 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.880 in one western neighborhood, of course, two eleven year old's 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.400 now killed at the same playground. Since twenty twenty three, 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.400 we had a dangerous street takeover on Saturday night early 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.720 Sunday morning, resulting in arrests and great work by CPD. 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.640 By the way, So here's the thing. We're halfway through 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:38.319 March and it's snowing. What happens this summer when the 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.199 city actually is out in full force and what's the 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.519 city actually doing to maybe prevent or tamp down a 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.440 lot of this crime? Joined the show is council member 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.560 Seth Walsh. Seth, how you been? How's life? You're good? 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.920 I'm doing great, Scott getting ready for the snow today? 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:57.960 Yeah, yeah, you thought it was over, It's just beginning. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:00.640 I that's way you're call it. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:06.240 What the damn PLOWD tracker doesn't work. It's a seventy yesterday, 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:11.600 so you gotta even the software says i'm out. Software 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.360 tapped out. But seriously, Saturday night, and this could have 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.600 been much worse than it was. You have to give 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.399 one hundred percent of the credit to CPD because they 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.640 did a fantastic job. I think thirty nine people arrested, 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.920 sixty five cars towed during a mass street takeover, and 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.960 it happened in several different areas. They picked up a 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.200 couple I think stolen guns as well. One of the 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.560 places where they congregated was Riverfront Live parking lot, and 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.240 that's the same venue, of course, where nine people were 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.240 shot just a couple of weeks ago. The bigger picture, though, 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.880 is we've seen bar and dining in public transportation, a 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.360 bunch of other numbers indicating that that is down in 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:47.880 the city. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:48.200 Now. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.840 Some of that may be the weather, another part of 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.000 that may be the economy, But how much is crime 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:53.840 impacting all that? 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:01.120 I mean, the issue was crime conversation you and I 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.160 professional Stingy be having right and unfortunately in the city 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.960 this conversation we're going to continue to have. I think 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.480 it's important to take a step back and really appreciate, 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.000 as you said, what CPD was able to do, able 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.280 to get ahead of this, you know, you know, road 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.440 takeover and arrest all these bad actors. They were coming 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.040 out to participate in that. And that's really you know, 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.720 it's an interest point. It's just some of the ground 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.360 that we're seeing around the city because you know, the 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.160 people that were coming from that weren't Offincinnatians. I don't. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.040 I've actually get many work, even the Statians. They're coming 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.160 across problems in the city. It was kind of wild 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.920 the reports I'm getting who they were even finding there, 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.440 and keeople bringing their kids to this for example. I mean, 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.720 it's a dangerous something was being pulled off. And so 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.880 first off, I just think the polices are a big 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.440 accolades for that. The staffs, though, are the facts. And 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.520 so I think there's some good questions that you're going 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.079 to be asking me about. You know, why are the 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.040 crime up and anytime you have crime to problems and 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.360 we got to do more to fix that. But you know, 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:57.880 this is the priority that I've had since I got 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.840 a city council. Continue to point to the fact that 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:03.160 we we are dramatically understaffed in the police department. So 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.640 while they're able to have these great moments like this weekend, 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.799 we are still dropping the ball city leaders in terms 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:10.840 of making sure they're fully funded to be able to 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.840 do the action plans. And they say they need to 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.799 be able to be successful on our streets. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.040 Do they need more tools? More bullets in the belt, 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.280 so to speak? Because if you go back to twenty 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.000 twenty three, the state of Ohio moved to increase the 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:27.600 penalties for street racing and you and Vice Mayor Janashloman 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.720 Kearney opposed it. Does this change your mind? Should it 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.200 be more than a misdemeanor? What I mean that's a 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:32.840 payout ticket. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.760 Yeah, So Jeff Cramond and I actually were talking about 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.520 this last night customer to Jeff Cramedy and I were 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.280 talking about this, and we're going to be customer Mark. 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.560 Jefferies already has the motion he's putting forward SASS for 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.800 a report we'd like to take a little bit further, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.720 and actually kind of moved to just amend our organs 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.640 is to go further than that misdemeanor. At the time 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.680 we were voting on a resolution, I just had some 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.160 personal issues at the resolution, But I do think that 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.040 it's time that we that Bob would make sure that 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:02.920 we are actually, you know, clacking down on these and 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:04.760 making sure that it's not happening in the city, because 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.240 you know, it isn't a true point for what we're 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.000 seeing crime happening, and we need to make sure that 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.960 we are not allowing it and not going too easy 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.240 on it. Because thirty nine people being arrested as an 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:15.880 indicator of some problems that are going on. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.040 Yeah, what what made you change your mind on that 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:19.520 or say, hey, we do need to get harder. Is 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.080 it the size of this one? I mean thirty nine arrests, 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.120 sixty five cars and it's March. As I said, you 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:26.880 know this is going to happen more and then maybe 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.560 bigger ones over the summer. God knows. Is it a 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.360 couple of years ago, maybe it wasn't a bigger deal 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.200 as it is now, or what was a catalyst? 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.680 No, I would say that, you know, one thing I 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.320 think you appreciate about me, Scott when I play learning 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.599 and growing and at the time, I think this was 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.479 my first year for several months on city council, and 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:46.680 I've spent a lot of time since then you know, 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.480 integrating myself in the police department to learn how they operate, 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.080 what's going on, And it was really a nipening experience 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.240 when you go on a violent crime squad ride along 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.599 and you're an on marched police vehicle and you're seeing 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.600 what's happening and the officers are telling you that tells 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.480 that you can't even tell are happy because you're not. 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.640 You know, you're not used to this, I mean, really 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.960 changes your perspective on here. When the police come in 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:08.599 and they say these are the tools that they need, 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.120 what does that mean and how does that actually matter? 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.600 And so I think for me it's a matter of 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.080 continuing to learn and grow. And at the time, I 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.440 wasn't nearly informed or educated on some of the policing 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.279 issues and how they are trying to solve bigger issues 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.760 in the city. So I think that's that's the good 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.560 time for people to just take the time to continue 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.320 to educate yourself and not get yourself locked in on 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.640 a position, because that's how we get bigger problems here. 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.520 Yeah, so as I respect that, I think most people 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.760 listening due to it's like, yeah, you're learning, your young man, 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:37.320 you learn on the job. And go, okay, well, we 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.599 do need tougher laws. I think that's a I think 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.080 that's a great answer. Council members Sess Walshawan with slowly 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.679 here seven hundred w WELLW crime numbers are up sixty 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.120 two percent through the first ten weeks of twenty twenty six, 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.919 and of course we just had this street takeover. No 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.200 injuries or accidents, so thank God for that. But you're 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.640 talking thirty nine arrests, a couple of guns off the streets, 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.440 and sixty five cars towed in all credits to CPD 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.960 because they did a fantastic job up and and and 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.839 shutting this down. I don't think it's going to cause 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.120 people to maybe think twice about it because the laws, 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.000 it's only a misdemeter one that's as low as you 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.400 can go. It's a ticket, that's about it. I know 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.799 in northern Kentucky this this is an eye opener. 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:15.240 Uh. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.160 There's a lawmaker there who I had on that said, listen, 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.919 this is happening in Sinsey. It's happening all over the 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.760 place in Louisville and UH and Lexington and other cities. 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.960 The three takeovers. We want to make it a felony. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.159 What we want to do is after the second strike, 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.720 second time you're caught, we're going to take your car 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.200 and put in a crusher. Is that too extreme? Is 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:35.960 that going too far? 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.479 I think the bigger, the bigger issue. I don't know 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.159 that I have an opinion on, you know, first stripe, second, 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.560 sorry to put your car and pressure you. There's a 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.480 lot of people that can use out there, so I 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.720 think there's probably better ways that we can redistribute here. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.640 But I think the bigger issue is you're looking at 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.960 how many people have illegal guns that were arrested in 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:57.760 that and then we talked by gun violence and as 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.880 you put them out, it's happened right in front of it, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:01.719 like we just had a mass shooting of the city, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.680 sincating the issue with these takeovers. You know it It 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.440 started a seemingly it's a cute TikTok trend. I don't 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.920 love keepe the right word for you know, but you 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.520 know it started as a TikTok trend, and it is 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.840 driving from reality, if you will, and it is driving 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.520 people with shady so on margs and in some cases 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.840 illegally and illegally owned guns that leads to these insiders. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.080 And I feel like we're constantly hadn't have conversations about 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.120 which is then we're shooting people and that's the problem, 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.000 that's fundamentally it. So what we have to do proactively 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.400 is we talk about crime numbers, is to bring them down. 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.280 We have to stop the things that are bringing people 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.680 with illegal guns that are going to create the environments 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.520 for potential shootings, for potential violence, potential print and so yes, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.640 I think we have to step up our enfortmate, we 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:52.160 have to step up how we can do this. We 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.200 have to give us police department more tools to make 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.760 this something that people stop doing and because we just 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:03.320 can't tolerate what we know leads to worse action. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:05.960 And then this summer you're gonna have the you know, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:07.880 the people on the dirt bikes and the quads out 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.360 there too. That's a whole another set of problems when 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.880 it comes to traffic enforcement. Seth Walsh, the city's on 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.480 crime report showed fifty two people shot in Cincy in 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.480 the first ten weeks at twenty twenty six, and that 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.360 does not include the mass shooting at Riverfront Live, so 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.400 it's up sixty two percent of the same time period 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.920 year over year. We've talked a lot about with you 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.120 and other members of Council here on the show. With 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.320 all the anti violence measures Council approved last September, the 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.760 five million dollars spent, what why are crime members going 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.120 the wrong way? 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.120 Man? If somebody have the answer that with Scott, they 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.280 would be a very rich person. Right now. It's it's troubling, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.760 it's frustrating, it's disheartening. It makes you feel like anything 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.000 you do is succeeding. You know, I wish I had 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.440 the answer for why our choice seems to be violent. 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.520 As opposed to just solving these problems through conversations, we're 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.480 just walking away and dealing with it the next day. Yeah, 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.840 I think we've just y to become too numb to 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.520 to the you know, what violence actually is and what 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.640 those lng term impacting consequences become. And I think we, 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.800 you know, continue to try to chase and put these 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.520 measures in the effect that are going to take long 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.320 time to solve it, and then the next week or 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.760 the next day, there's another tragedy, and then we have 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.760 to pivot again, and we try to ramp up again, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.720 and and some of this is just a long term 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.320 societal adjustment we have to make. I think we dealt 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.840 with a lot of youth problems last year. I suspect 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:28.680 we have some more on the way this year, because 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.800 you know, there is trauma that our youth are dealing 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.600 with from COVID that I think is only just now 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.480 starting to have the conversations about it. But I still 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.559 think we're so far behind on what that conversation means. 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.760 But that's going to take time to fix and solve, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.600 and and so that means we have to figure out 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.480 what short term solutions are and how we manage those 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.960 long term solutions at the same time. That's complicated and 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.400 unfortunately right now that's not working to the best that 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.360 we could possibly make it happen. And I think we 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:54.400 have to be honest about that. 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.120 How much of the problem, though, is outside of your 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.319 control sets and that would be judges who are on 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.360 this this own cognizant kick zero bond. We've seen people, 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.320 you know, the shooting it in between a guy had 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.960 an ankle monitor on. He didn't even bother cutting it off. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.640 They cut it off. There's no repercussions for it whatsoever, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.000 And so it just emboldens the this this extreme one 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.880 percent or less than one percent of the population to 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.720 commit more heinous and more violent and more deliberate crimes. 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.360 There's not much you can do. You can pass all 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.120 laws and roles. You're not going to tell judges what 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.360 to do. But how much of the problem lies defeat 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.680 of We've got too touchy feeling when it comes to 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:30.800 dealing with criminals. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.360 Look, I think we're talking about a really complicated topic. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.160 So I think it's really easy to pass the buck 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.960 and blame somebody. Whether you want to blame you know, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.520 if you're a city council member, is to blame a judge, 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.480 if you're a judge, to blame the state legislature, the 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.160 state legislature, blaming the city council members, and you know, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.920 the work the system back and then blame everybody else 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.559 that say, well, we all have to just do better. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:54.920 At the end of the day, we all have a 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:56.720 role in this. Every single one of us has a 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.480 role in this. You know, I was at a service 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.880 yesterday and this gentleman had a public puzzle piece on 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.839 lapel and I asked him what it meant, and he 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.400 told me, you know, it's a puzzle piece because we're 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.080 all part of the bigger puzzle and if we don't 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.080 all click it in, it doesn't work. So can I 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.199 blame the judges, Sure, you can blame me as well, 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.439 you can blame everybody. At the end of the day, 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.280 we have to all do our parts. We have to 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.199 lock in and say this is not acceptable. We got 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:20.719 to do better, and that means we have to hold 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.400 ourselves to a higher standard. And frankly, you know, while 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.760 I think the since that police department is doing fantastic job, 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:27.839 are we as the city leaders doing enough to help 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.120 and support them, I would argue no. And you know, 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.120 they've been clear since I got on City Council that 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.480 they've been asking for more resources. They've been asking more 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.160 office just to get to the minimum compliment and we 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.720 haven't done that. And so before we until we solve 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.920 those problems, I think it's difficult to start pointing to 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.880 think at others, But I also think that others need 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:46.680 to start looking at themselves and saying, are we solving 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.800 all of our problems before we pass the bay back 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:50.560 to city Hall? Because we all are part of the 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.360 ecosystem and it is a really really complicated topic. And 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.240 passing the blame and pushing the blame on others only 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:57.199 makes it harder to solve this. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.960 Okay, I'll play a little partisan paul or a second here, 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.520 and I think you know me, I'm not necessarily I 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.560 just I want things to work. I don't care who 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:09.600 gets the credit. It's been a pillar of a progressive 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.120 platform to be more hands off when it comes to policing, 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.680 that treating criminals more like victims themselves and the root cause. 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.559 And we heard that a lot from Vice Mayor Janiel 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.959 Selim and Kearney. I'm sure the Mayor feels the same way. 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:23.679 But you know, at some point we look at this 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.800 and go, it's not working for us. I mean, case 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.720 in point is a judges aside. We have a gun 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.400 shot This detection system called shot spot or logged nearly 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.800 one hundred shootings in the city in West Side and 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.440 West End since twenty twenty three. More than half the 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.040 victims were children. We had two eleven year olds killed 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.360 at the same playground in less than three years. Neither 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.000 case has been solved. They're both cold cases at this point. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.560 We have a camera system that doesn't work that had 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.280 to be fixed after the second homicide. What does that 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.760 say about how good a job that leadership of the city, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.040 and this would be the Democrats that get elected there 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.240 are doing because clearly the idea that hey, we have 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.480 to police differently because of a mandate from the public. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:04.640 At some point you have to go off to that 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.440 fraction of one percent that are recidibus that are causing 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.320 most of these bad crimes. I'm not talking about jaywalking 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.760 and things like that. I'm talking about violent, predatory crimes 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.400 that from this end anyway, the rest of us who 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.240 don't live in the city look inside and go, it's 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.440 a mess down there. And we just keep bringing the 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.600 same people, or at least the same parties back to 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.599 try and solve a problem that they helped create. Is 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:25.040 that fair? 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.520 No? No, I would not say that's fair. I would 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.439 say that that that gets the exact point that I 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.360 was just trying to make. You can certainly put all 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.760 that on the City Cincinnati, and I think that they're 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.880 a fair amount of that. You know, the city deserves 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.520 to answer and the city deserves to be held to 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.440 the standard have to answer that. But if we start 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.680 playing partisan politics here, we start playing the fingers. The 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.640 city has been trying to do legislation around gun control 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.160 that would allow us to actually go after some of 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:53.920 these bad date actors, and we've been stopped by the 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.000 Republicans to control the state. Does that do us any good? 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.080 Points those fingers at each other right now. No, of course, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.560 it doesn't do us any good to solve that. The 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.920 reality is we have to say that we have a 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.000 problem with violence in the city of Cincinnati to some degree. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.120 But also you know, you look at the statistics and 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:14.199 it is down in the last several decades. So anytime 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.600 there's any violence, anytime there's any crime, that is an 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.400 unacceptable period, full stop. Until we get to a perfect 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.560 year where there's a zero zero zero across the board, 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.840 we are failing, and we have to continue to strive 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.880 toward that Democrat Republican. Whether you live in the suburbs 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:29.680 or do you live in the city, all of us 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.400 have a role in making this happen. And we can 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.320 point to fingers and say, well, you haven't solved all 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.200 the problems, Scott, because you're a radio host and you 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.280 have a responsibility to be a moral adult, and blah 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.600 blah blah blah blah. That doesn't do us any good. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.520 It's just it doesn't do us any good. And we 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.240 can get into the partisan vickery, but at the end 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:45.640 of the day, when somebody get shot, they don't care 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.400 if you're a Democrat or Republican who comes and helps 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:47.840 save them. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.760 And so we all have but the majority of city 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.480 voters of the city voters are railities, so we don't 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.440 see it. Though I'm a check and balanced kind of guy. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.400 I love parties keeping each other in check, and it's 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.320 it's completely lopsided now federally at the state level and 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.080 even at the local level for that matter. We can 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:07.480 talk about Republicans running Columbus and Washington, but of course 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.040 Democrats have a stranglehold on the city of Cincinnati. So 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.480 these issues are relevant in that regard. You know, I'll 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.120 bring it back, and I think you're right on a 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.800 two degrees seth is that you know, you talk about 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.320 the gun policies in Ohio. I'm a big Second Amendment guy, 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.640 but I see what happened here when it comes to 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.080 stand your ground. We've now had what three cases of 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.520 people of criminals shooting each other. People with disabilities, meaning 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.080 if you're under disability, you can't own a possessive even 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.080 think about a gun. And yet we know that felons 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.200 are out there handling weapons, and we've seen this where 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.520 they just claim, oh, I was at the Riverfront live shooting. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.960 How can both of these people with a beef with 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.520 each other shoot shoot at one another at a crowded 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.400 nightclub and both claim self defense. That's part of the 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.560 problem right there, one hundred percent. So I agree with 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.000 you there, it's just at the local level where it's 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.320 controlled by the Progressive Party. Here, it's like the whole 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.840 idea that we're going to be a kindler, gentler society 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.360 to these victimized people, I'm not and I think most 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:03.880 people aren't buying it at this point. We just we 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.680 got to get tougher on those who are going to 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.880 break the law. And the biggest victim and all that 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.600 are the people that allegedly Democrats are trying to help, 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.280 which would be the people of collar and the poor. 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:14.680 Well. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.080 And so this is where I want to push back 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.680 on you because and I hear you. I'm not disagreeing 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.000 with you that you know, there are criticisms that are 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.160 rightfully come our way. But I want to push back 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.640 is that this is that police department has said repeatedly 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.320 in or I'm chief and I said it. You know, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.840 we their hands are not high in policing to go 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:33.560 out there and do what's right. Where I would argue 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.200 the problem is that we haven't given them enough officers 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:37.480 to be able to go out there and do the 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.880 job when when they're already dramatically understaff they can't they 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.360 can't spend the time going after the bad actors that 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.840 they know are out there to make sure that they're 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.120 getting our streets safer, and what they are doing and 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.720 what they're pulling off given how understaffed they are, is 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.080 a herculean feet, which is why every year, you know, 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.200 we get into the budget season and I raised this point, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.200 which is we need to hire more officers than firefighters. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.720 It is clear asday those are the most menial services 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.000 we provide as a city. We have to provide them 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.280 because then if we're still having problems, then we have 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.320 to figure out the next step to solve it. Until 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.520 we solve that problem, we can talk about all these 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.280 various policies, that those policies are noted in the way 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.080 of our police officers ability to do their jobs. Our 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.000 police officers are overworked, they are working you know, there 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.640 there's understaffed and that's their fundamental problems to our ability 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.120 to be successful. So the fact that they are successful, 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.119 the fact that we have you know, this year is 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.080 a hopefully an anomaly, but they have, we have been 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.520 successful them well. Being understaffed, well, being overworked, is a 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.320 testiment to our police officers. The policies that you talked about, 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:39.520 that you've cited, I mean a lot of that, I 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.400 would argue is rhetoric. And you know, I would argue 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.840 that you can't point to a specific policy pass the 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.640 citizenincinnati that actually does those things. I think it's easy 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.360 to point to the rhetoric, but our officers say consistently 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.119 that their hands are not tied to do the policing, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.520 their problems, and that they're overworked and understaffed. 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.199 Okay, So a final point, because we run a lifefs Walsh, 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.680 I'll give you a give an example of what I 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.760 was just talking about. Reinforces. It's like, how is the 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.040 police department? How how has it gotten to the point 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.439 where we're one hundred and fifty officers behind if it 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.560 weren't because we've taken the money from that and spent 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.120 it elsewhere as opposed to focusing with crime rates, going up. Now. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.239 You know, overall nationally the crime rates are pretty good. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.840 Right now, we're starting to see those numbers turn Cincinnati 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:20.600 for some reason in the first ten weeks of the 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.840 year as an outlier. But if that's all true, then 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:25.040 then how do we get to a point where one 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.479 hundred and fifty cops and we're losing good officers all 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.120 the time because they can't stand how the department's being 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.560 managed by those people the top, including the mayor. And 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.159 this would go back to the beatdown over the summer 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.280 in July where you know, someone gets arrested later because 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.280 a captain says, Okay, we've got to cite someone. I 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.640 know a lot of CPD officers in their prime who 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.840 are getting reassigned because the shortages and they're just retiring. 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.080 That that's a climate that this partisan bickerings helped create. 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.520 The one hundred and fifty police officer short is. I mean, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.399 you can look at the data. It began during the 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.560 Great Recession, where we just simply as the city didn't 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.040 have money to hire more officers, and then we couldn't 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:12.560 keep up with the retirements that were happening. Well, yes, college, 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.920 I can't, I can't. I can't speak to the leadership 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:15.960 those here, but I can tell you it was a 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.440 nine Democrats like counsel will not happened. I can tell 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.320 you that they were negotiating with the Republicans and the 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.280 Charter and the Democrats. So to your to the point 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:24.960 that you were trying to make earlier. You know a 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:26.640 lot of the problems we have now we're not when 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:28.800 is an I'm member Democrat, and so I think we 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.560 have to acknowledge of the city. We are dealing with 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.359 historic problems that have come for whatever reasons. Now we 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.280 have to solve them. And we can point fingers all 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.200 we want, or we can get to work solving the problem. 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:40.840 And I would argue, let's get to work solve the 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.520 problem because tomorrow, you know, we need to not have 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:45.600 any violence. You know, to the next day, we don't 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:47.720 have any violence. And whether you're a Democrat Republican, and 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.320 I think we all agree with that. So let's get 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:50.639 to work. How we do that? 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.239 Are you a little scared about what's coming? I mean, 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:53.720 if this is March, what the hell is don't going 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:54.760 to look like July August? 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.359 Yeah, this is one of the things that keeps me 0:19:58.480 --> 0:19:59.840 up to night and it's one of the things that 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:01.879 I spend a lot of time trying to advocate as 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.360 much as I can, because we got to do better 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:04.760 for our police, to make sure they didn't go out 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:06.960 there to do the best for us. Famous fire. You know, 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.440 we didn't touch on that. There is an anomaly half 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.800 here right now with single family homes catching on fire 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.160 and fatality is coming with that. Doesn't that scare you? 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:15.960 Why is that happening? And I think we gave the 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:17.760 root of that as well. I'm gonna use the real 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.520 issues that that you keeping up to night and I 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:20.800 keep trying to solve. But they're not going to be 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.680 easy solutions. But we're not going to solve it by 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.280 ignoring the fact that their real problems well. 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.639 I mean exceptionally cold winter too. I think that's the 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:29.760 the main all are. But Seth, I got to get going, man. 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.240 I appreciate the great debate. Felt like we're having a 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:33.959 beer there for a minute. I love it. Hey, all 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.720 the best, keep keep doing what you appreciate you man, 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.840 Take care all right. Console member Seth Walsh on the 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.080 Scott's Loans this morning, running really late here seven hundred 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:48.240 w Scott's Loan with you Monday morning, seven hundred w 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:53.240 l W March Madness is set Austin Elmore a half 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.120 hour from now. On that, on that, on that, on that, 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.680 bring on the sports. And by the way, thirteen days 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.240 from today we are inside two weeks for Reds Baseball 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.200 here on the home of the Reds. Seven hundred WLW 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.640 so walls. She Seth Walsh was on a few minutes ago. 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.280 Do you think we're overreacting to the street takeover thing 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:11.719 a little bit? 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:13.159 So? 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.639 Thirty nine people arrested, sixty five cars towed, and a 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:22.040 planned streak takeover event, and you know, it's all over 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.480 the news, it's all over social MEDIAU one hundred drivers 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.720 involved here, people coming from all over the region, from Dayton, 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:30.200 Columbus and elsewhere in order to participate in these street takeovers. 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:31.880 And you got a couple stolen guns and they're sure 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.240 fortunately I went injured in this thing. But is this 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:41.040 concern over street takeovers any different than what drag racing 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.560 was back in the sixties and seventies, And then cars 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:46.080 got really crappy in the eighties and no one no 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:47.840 one did any more because you couldn't really go how 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.760 to drag race somebody when your car does like forty 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.840 five miles an hour in the steerwheel shakes. So I 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.080 just want to make sure I like, I'm not overreacting 0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:59.480 to this whole thing with the parole clutching, because it 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:04.159 is about text and perspective. You know, we all and 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.720 if you're been how old you are, you remember the 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:13.000 even then grossly outdated drivers education tear scare flicks that 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.760 they showed to us when we're in the process of 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:16.520 getting our permit. 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.520 The highway is a river of glass and steel, and 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:24.080 like any river, it can kill you. This is the road. 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:29.400 It doesn't care about you. It never has. He had 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:35.480 the right of way, he was also dead. And my favorites. 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:43.040 Metal does not forgive, concrete does not forgive, physics never forgives. 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.800 Signal thirty and made by the Ohio State Highway Patrol, 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.480 by the way, absolute legendary, legendary stuff. I don't think 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.000 the driver's ed films that we watch really scared anyone 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.520 and complied. So I goes certainly bloody and gory for 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.160 the day, because you know, today you can get far less, 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.680 far more alow of blood and gore on your phone 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.960 than you could back in the day and you kind 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:05.320 of watch it and go that's kind of gross. 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.000 So the guy got ooh man. Remember I went to 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:08.679 the guard rail and the guy was impaled, and they 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.680 showed that like, oh man. I don't think it really 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:15.080 scared anybody from not doing stupid stuff behind the wheelbows 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:18.600 because it was like nineteen fifty. Man, come on, it's 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:24.560 the nineteen eighties. Come on, that's different. Really. But I 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.320 bring this up because you know, today's street takeovers are 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.040 yesterday's drag race, isn't That was, of course drag race 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:33.760 immortalized in movies like American Graffiti and others. Right, that's 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.200 essentially I guess that's why I think of the nineteen fifties, 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:39.359 like the threat of nuclear war and going in to 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:41.200 the drive in and drag racing people. I think that 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.679 were basically those three things. I was not part of 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.159 the area in which I grew up, so but I 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:49.679 look at the issue here, and it's a very serious 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.080 one because you had, as I said, one hundred drivers 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.400 involved in this thing, couple stolen guns and they kept 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.479 moving to different neighborhoods, and a testament to CPD because 0:23:58.000 --> 0:23:59.719 they were definitely hit it out of the park as 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.400 far as is following this group around and enacting arrests, 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:05.000 and it may be part of the you know, the 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.719 young brain thing. And I can't help but think, Okay, 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.800 is this just is it today's version of drag racing? 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.400 And in some ways yes, in some ways no. I mean, 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.960 obviously you have young people, you have cars, you have speed, 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:22.000 you have risk taking. And it's also part of virtue 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:26.120 signaling and identity and community for young people because there's 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:30.359 a subculture, its own rules, its own hierarchy, its own language. 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:34.560 That's what being young is, right, that that's part of it. 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:38.480 That's how you define the cohort. And of course drag 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.000 racing back in the day and street tookers today both 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:44.639 draw law enforcement attention and outrage from old people like me. 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.760 And you know, the thrill seeking youth panic is nothing new. 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:54.080 It was that way, I think right after Adam and 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.760 Eve pretty much we started having the thrill seeking youth 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:02.640 that juvenile delinquents. You know, in the nineteen sixties and seventies, 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.760 drag racing was Yeah, it migrated eventually from the streets 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:07.800 to drag strips or largely it was you know, in 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:10.720 rural areas or highways. But the difference here is street 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:15.400 takeovers happen at busy intersections, urban areas, with innocent people 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.960 and bystanders inches away. So the risk isn't just as 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:20.440 participants as it was with the drag races. Lots of course, 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:23.679 you know, he went off and killed somebody, but the 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:27.560 risk isn't just the participants. And drag racing back in 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:29.399 the day it was about raw performance. It was getting 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:31.240 from point A and the starting line to point B 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:35.840 the finish line and as little time as possible. Street 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:40.000 takeovers now it's about drifting and donuts and show and 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.320 so you occupy you an intersection public space longer, and 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.879 therefore it's a bigger risk of crowds. And you also 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:50.560 factor in social media too, and it just it makes 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.840 it more. You know, obviously, back in the sixties seven, 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.119 I'm sure drag racing was more word of mouth. Today, 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:57.960 you know, it goes viral overnight and it spreads. But 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.080 I think the biggest difference here is I don't know 0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:03.280 if it happened back in the day, but it's there's 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:07.359 no way it happened less than it is today in 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.160 that weapons are involved here, and that's the biggest difference. 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.400 You know, the street tag ver events in a number 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.760 of cases involved gunfire, could be celebratory, could be from 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.840 disputes and beefs. That wasn't happening with drag races back 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:24.480 in the day, and now it's escalated to actually blocking 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:28.760 freeway on ramps and stopping traffic and eventually you're holding 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.320 infrastructure hostage, is what you're doing. That's a whole different 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.240 legal and moral category than two guys racing a red light. 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:37.680 You know, as I said, you know, fear has has 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:42.840 always been amplified generationally. The drag racing of the fifties 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.760 and sixties was portrayed is a it'd be a gateway 0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.680 to delinquency and depth. Juvenilinquency and drag racing go hand 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.880 in hand. But you know, jazz music in the thirties 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:56.679 also added to juvenilinquency when the automobile became something that 0:26:56.760 --> 0:27:00.520 young people embraced and leaned into, you know, with the 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:05.520 with the little jump seat in the back, the rumble seat, 0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.399 you know, and going and driving out to the country 0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:11.160 now so to get away from people, so you can 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.480 do what young people are doing for a long time now. 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:18.200 And I have sex so believe it or not. Sex 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:20.240 is not a new invention. It's been going on the 0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.680 time between young people because that's what you people like 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:26.280 to have sex, and so you know, it's all put 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:28.159 in that moral panic kind of thing going on to 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:32.960 and that's true today as it was yesterday. But you know, 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:36.560 most participants then weren't really people with criminal records. Most 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:40.239 participants day now aren't either. I don't think it's more 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:42.920 the thrill thing, but I guess the different thing is 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.800 that it's the same impulse and the modern version of 0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.919 this is more dangerous to uninvolve people. And then you 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.720 add the mix of guns in there too, and I 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:55.119 think that's made in the dark difference between yesterday and today. 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.480 But it still is built on the same old adage 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.280 about these damn young kids back in my day never 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.480 did anything like this. Yeah, it's because the needle keeps moving, 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.399 it keeps changing, it keeps evolving, and so it was 0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:09.120 offensive to older generations when we were young. Is kind 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:13.800 of quaint and pretty basic today because it's always evolving. 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.000 So now and I think in this case, you know, 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:19.520 taking the streets over and blocking traffic is obviously a 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.000 bad idea. It could be a minor convenience. But as 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:23.359 a matter of time, before you do this in a 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.480 highway and somebody's going to get killed, and this person's 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.000 gonna get killed, and we'll get serious about it. Maybe 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:31.520 I'll circle back with our lawmaker in northern Kentucky was 0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:35.120 proposing much much stiffer crimes in Kentucky, and they're still 0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.360 working their way through this here in Cincinnati. Mistere mean. 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.200 It's an m one, mistermeanor of first degree and it's 0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:43.800 very low. It's you know, that's a ticket. I don't 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.880 know if that dissuades people from not doing it again, because, 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:48.640 as you know, as a point of assaf the problem 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.360 is we just keep arresting the same people and releasing 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.400 them and debate when you say what you will about 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.960 the political partisan wars out there, that's part of it, 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.479 for sure. But I don't think I'm wrong in saying that, 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.600 you know, the policies and Democrats and progressives are to simply, yeah, 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:04.800 you know what, the criminals are victims too. I think 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.280 it's a bad look. I think that's an entirely the 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:08.960 wrong way to think about it. And here we are. 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.880 There's other factors involved in this, for sure, but the 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:13.640 touchy feel of stuff. You know, there are people who 0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.080 are going to be predators and take advantage of you 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:18.480 being soft on crime, and when they're not, it just 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.480 escalates it first further. And that's why you see people 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.880 with shooting each other in public and claiming that it's 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:26.640 in the act of self defense when neither one should 0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:28.240 have a gun in the first place. I mean, that's 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:32.080 how we got here, right, there's no denying that. But 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.440 we'll see where this whole thing goes in the summer months. 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:36.200 Not even here yet. Hell, we got snow moving in 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:40.160 today and we've got what sixties percent rise in shootings 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:42.920 in the first ten weeks of the year. It's not good, 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.320 I know, crime all overall though again the crime picture 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.680 nationally just saw a story today that it's all down 0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:49.680 all over the place. So we might be an outlier 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:51.960 in that category, and I just think we should be 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.200 a little bit nervous about it warming up and what 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.880 the hell happens next, And hopefully you can get the 0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:59.640 resources together and take the seriously and realize, hey, listen, 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:01.920 sometimes you got to split some wigs in order to 0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:03.960 send the message that we're not going to allow this stuff. 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.360 And you get really really tough on crime. But when 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:08.760 you're one hundred plus one hundred and fifty plus cops down, 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:10.520 that's kind of hard to do. It's kind of hard 0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:12.360 to do anyway, So we got that going on. If 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.120 you live in suburby, like I do, not a problem 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.040 for us. I haven't seen many street takeovers. But then again, 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.840 you know you're you're literally close to rural areas and 0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:21.800 do this somewhere else. But you know, part of the 0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.680 peal too, is doing it in you know, with with 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:26.960 Cincinnati the backdrop. I would say that other factors that 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.360 social media right is doing it. I don't know out 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.360 on a country road somewhere, and Clairemont County is not 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.680 going to provide you with the same number of clicks 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.040 as you're going to get if the backdrop is of 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:41.760 the city of Cincinnati in downtown intersection. That's part of 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:43.960 this as well. Part of this as well, all right, 0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.040 other stuff going on. I did not watch it. I 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.959 did want to see Conan's monologue stuff because I may 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:53.000 be an outlier. I think Conan O'Brian's hilarious, but so 0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.720 I'm not a big award show person. But one battle 0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:58.800 after another was a big winner last night at the 0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:03.640 Academy Awards Best Picture and Best Director and Best Supporting 0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:06.440 Actor and Best Drafted Screenplant on what that means, but 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:08.719 I know that Sean Penn was absolutely incredible in that 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.840 though I watched that one. Wow, Sean Penn is going 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.920 to win an oscar and he did last night. The 0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:15.880 other big winner was Sinners, which I'm not allowed to 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.080 watch because it's technically a horror flick and my wife 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.800 will not allow that in her house, so IM have 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.200 to sneak off and watch. So like I watched Nuremberg 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.440 this weekend and with Russell Crown was fantastic, by the way, 0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:33.680 absolutely fantastic. Yeah, K Pop had a good night. I 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:38.560 know that I did see this. Though War of the 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:42.640 Worlds dominated the forty six Razzie Awards, that is, the 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:44.800 awards given out to the worst films of the year. 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.520 War of the Worlds. I briefly remember seeing a trailer 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:52.000 for that going that doesn't look very good. The other 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.320 movies were The Weekend, Don't Know What that is in 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:58.840 the Lost Lands, Alarm, and tron Airis, which was terrible. 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.920 The Razzies also worded Kate Hudson like ay Kate Hudson. 0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:08.480 Didn't she just do that Neil Diamond movie. Yeah, she 0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:12.360 got the Redeemer Award for her Oscar nominated performance in 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:16.320 Songs Sung Blue, and she has won three Razzies in 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.719 the past, my best Friend's Girl, Mother's Day and Music. 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.320 I don't know any of those, Kate Hudson. I think 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.160 she's gets got to get better screeners, like people read 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.760 the script and I don't have to do this. She 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.960 has a role and it's always in a terrible movie, 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.320 and she's a better actress than that. But I watched 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.040 Songs Sung Blue. I thought it was really really good. 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:40.160 Who doesn't like some Neil Diamond. It was a fantastic, 0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.280 fairly true story on top of it, So take that 0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.520 for what you will. Hey, if you're headed out of 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:49.720 town anytime soon, I feel for you. US Airlines have 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:51.680 urged Congress to move quickly at the end the month log. 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.720 Oh yeah, we're still in a government shutdown. By the 0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:57.600 partial government shutdown. We're really good at that other stuff 0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:01.320 not so much. We had travel well last weekend, as 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.760 a matter of fact, and now the flight from Florida 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:05.360 to here, it was a little bit of a long line. 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:07.000 I'll be honest with you, ain't nothing like it is 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.480 today though, So if you have to travel anytime today 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.960 in the near future, I feel for you because the 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:16.240 TSA agents are overwhelmed. We have disruptions at a lot 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.720 of airports right now. Local groups have stepped up to 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.680 provide help to TSA agents who have gone without paychecks 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:27.760 now for two weeks. The Justice Department is investigating about 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.120 the cost overruns and a renovation project. We got a 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.960 lot going on in the federal government right including this 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.160 little war we're having by the way, it goes by 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:40.200 the wayside. But TSA agents, man, if you're traveling, be 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.760 a little bit kinder, a little bit more. I guess 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:44.720 open to saying there's gonna be some delays. It's not 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.160 their fault. They're also not getting paid and they're working. 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:49.920 So I put ourselves, put ourselves in those shoes. It's 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.680 a different story, intelligy, Speaking of which, I want to 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.000 end the segment. This morning, something happened on Friday that 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.920 had the potential to be weekend ruining, which was actually 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:03.040 really really wrong. So Friday, I'm out, I'm like, I 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.280 washed my car, Like okay, it's get some of the 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.040 salt off got rid of the old salt, so I 0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:09.880 can get new salt today. That's fine, just try to 0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:11.760 make it another year in the old hooptie. But anyway, 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.719 I roll up and I'm gonna get gas. So I 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.480 roll into the gas station. I gonna use some fuel points, 0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:18.319 and I pull up to a pump and I noticed 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:20.080 the pump in front of you. There's always two pumps, 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:21.480 and I pull up and there's no one there. I'm like, 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.759 this is a great time before it gets really full 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.680 at lunch hour. And so I pull up a pumping 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.719 my gas. Now, the pump in front of me had 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.600 the orange cone of death in front of it, meaning 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:33.879 that that pump was not working. And so I pull 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:35.560 out and I'm pumping, and I look over and a 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.040 guy's sitting behind me in his car, and he has 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:39.640 giving me the moose Man. He's got a moose on 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:42.279 his face. He has pissed off, and he's saying things 0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:43.920 that I can tell are directed to me, even though 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.440 I can't hear it. And I know, and I'm often 0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:51.360 told by my wife STFU. But I got a chirp, 0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.319 so I give him the you know what, and he 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:57.600 starts yelling through his winchel even more, and I realize 0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:59.759 it's like, because I've parked at the first one and 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:01.719 said the second one, I'm like, well, there's a cone there. 0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:03.360 Now I can't hear it because he's in his car, 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.080 And so he pulls around, swings his car on, gets out, 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.719 starts pumping gas and he's with him, you know, the 0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:14.320 next island over. And I said, dude, what's your problem? 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:19.480 You got what do we have a problem? And no, 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:21.840 like it sounds like we have a problem. Let me 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:23.759 know if we got a problem. And I may have 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.879 sent some other choice words there to emphasize it. Something 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.200 that I'm pumping my gas, I'm not paying attention, and 0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:30.960 I'm kind of pissed off, like, come on, man, what 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:32.319 do you want me to pull up to a pump 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.600 that's broken? God, people are out of their minds these days, 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:37.919 and you know, because it's me, I'm getting myself worked 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:42.560 up even more. And so I'm just about finishing and 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:44.600 I look up and this guy is walking towards me, 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:47.360 and I'm like, okay, well here we go. So I 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:49.120 get on the right side. I don't want to trip 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.400 over the uh, you know, over the hose, So I 0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:55.560 step over that, and I'm putting my watching his hands. 0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:57.800 He's got one hand in his pocket. I'm like, okay, well, 0:35:58.360 --> 0:35:59.959 if he's got something there, I'm gonna be in trouble. 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.080 And so I'm looking for covermine, that pump or my 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:04.920 car or something else. And he takes one step closer. 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:06.839 I'm like, well, he's about three or four steps away 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.040 from me. So I kind of quickly moved towards him 0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.040 and he backs up a little bit and he goes, hey, 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:13.080 I just want to apologize. I'm sorry. I didn't see 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:17.439 the cone there. Man, I was wrong, and I went 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.759 from having a crappy day to having an incredible day. 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:25.960 Like I stood there for a second and then I 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:27.520 walked towards him a little more, and he kind of 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:29.760 backed up, thinking I was going to poke him or something. 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.200 I stuck my hand out. I said, man, that is 0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:34.000 the best thing I've heard in a long time. Thank 0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:37.160 you for doing that. I understand we're all there. Hope 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:41.480 you have a great weekend, you know, stuff like that. 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.880 It's like we all make mistakes and maybe react in 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.280 the wrong way. But to walk up to a stranger 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:50.000 and say, man, I was wrong, I apologize absolutely huge, 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.799 and I want to be that guy more than me. 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.919 Quite honestly, it was cool. Made my weekend. Scott Sloan 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.200 on the way it's Austin Elmo will break down a 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.200 little selection Sunday action. Miami's in. You agree with that, 0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.359 you gotta be happy. I'm sure Auburn fans are mad 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.200 as hell about it. We got a number of teams 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.319 from the area not from Cincinnati in the tournament. We'll 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.160 talk to Audi about that next on the Home of 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:16.279 the Reds and College Basketball. But not well, you see 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:20.200 xavior over for them. How about the Red seven hundred? 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:25.759 Nobody's Cincinnati. That music means something, well, that music used 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:26.160 to mean some. 0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:30.520 We've got sports, sports and more sports come once mean 0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:33.160 I don't know, I don't know. It celebrates it used 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:36.400 to mean something, used to mean something. Today we celebrates. 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:41.400 Wow, our buddy Austin Elmore from ESPN fifteen thirty today 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:47.920 is Austin three sixteen. Congratulations. Thanks we have. We got 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:50.279 to get into some bracketology. As the kids say here 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.240 from out the brackets, bracketology. 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.120 Bracketology is more of a disease than it is a 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:57.560 study of a science. 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.960 At this point, more like a lance kind of thing. Yeah, 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.719 that kind of geeky stuff. Anyway, I will say this, 0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.120 We've gone from Wes Miller to Les Miller. There's no 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:09.040 more Wes Miller in the house. We have Les Miller. 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:09.440 I'll tell you. 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:12.520 I sat here on Friday and I was pretty confident, 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.319 like Wes Miller's still going to be the coach of Cincinnati. 0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:17.600 Like I really thought that was going to be the case. 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:19.920 And part of that is because I don't really have 0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:21.200 a lot of faith in the people that make the 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.480 decisions over there, and I thought that they would just 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:25.960 run it back with Wes Miller. To their credit, they 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:27.920 did not. They did what they were supposed to do, 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:29.960 which is move on from a dude that can't get 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:32.640 you to the NCAA tournament. And it's bigger than that. 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:36.120 It is the way you got in, but also how 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.680 you collapse in the last few minutes of that game. 0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:41.839 And to me, Austin, I would have been shocked had 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.200 this not happen in a program at this level. 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:46.360 And I know what you say, Hey, they love Wes Miller. 0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:49.480 I guess he's got the secret sauce. But again, yeah, 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:52.160 you can't win. But it's the way they lost that game. 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.040 That you have to say, listen, this is not what 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.319 we expect this program to be. Blowing an eight point 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:02.680 lead with two minutes ago and the strange time out 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:07.840 on the final possession to end the regulation period, and 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.000 then to go into overtime and really not have much 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.440 of a fight there. I think that was kind of 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.520 like the perfect encapsulation of the West Miller era. When 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.000 you really really needed a bucket down the stretch, you 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:21.400 couldn't find one correct, and you just weren't able to 0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.480 outlast a team in UCF, which is is kind of 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.600 a rival to you see it going back to the 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:31.600 football days. So yeah, man, I it sucks for west 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.439 Miller because I do think he's a legitimately good guy, 0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.440 and you know, he's been on our show many times 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:39.520 and he was awesome and he was gracious and I'm glad, 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:42.760 but I can't move the goalpost. The goal was always 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:44.840 to get back to the NCAA tournament, and he didn't 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.520 do it. It feels like he's in over his head and 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:49.600 it just makes sense for both parties to move on. 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.560 Where did they go? It's a good question. 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.839 I think the main guy that keeps getting brought up 0:39:54.840 --> 0:40:00.600 for Cincinnati is Jared Calhoun, former UC assistant under By Huggins, 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.480 played in his final year here. He's out there coaching 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:06.200 Utah State. They're in the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. He's been 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:08.239 really really good with them. He used to coach in 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.319 the Horizon League at Youngstown State. Took the Youngstown State 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:14.680 to the NC DOUBLEA tournament. So he's got some experience 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:17.800 in this area. That's the one that makes the most sense. 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:20.360 But you can't just say this is our guy, no 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.279 matter what. You got to do a broad search. I'm 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:22.799 sure they will. 0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:25.960 Yeah, all right, So back to the tournament selection Sunday yesterday, 0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:30.360 How surprised are you Miami of Ohio r Miami squad 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:33.839 gets in at thirty one and one. Honestly, I was like, 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.160 how do you get the play in game after going 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:37.560 thirty one and one? Yeah? 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.520 I think they got the first four that play in 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.759 game in Dayton because they lost the way that they 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.160 did in the MAC Tournament. If they had advanced to 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:48.360 the MAC tournament, maybe it's a different story. Maybe they're, 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:51.600 you know, one of those fourteen seeds it gets straight 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:54.480 into the tournament. Maybe there's something else and they steal 0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:56.479 a bid from someone else. But because of the way 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.040 that they lost, I think that bumped them down to 0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.839 being one of the final teams in. But they're gonna 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.400 play in Dayton. That'll be awesome for Miami fans to 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:07.439 be able to see a basically a home game less 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:10.359 than an hour away from Oxford. To get to watch 0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:12.640 your team in the NCAA tournament. Hell yeah, that. 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:14.760 Would be huge. And certainly they could do it against 0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:17.799 SMU and it's a home it's a home game. But 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.200 then you get Tennessee in a second. Yeah, not going 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:23.080 to be easy. Not gonna be easy. It never was 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:24.000 going to be easy. 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.360 But I mean it's better than being a fourteen seed 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:29.880 like Wright State, who's in the same bracket. You know, 0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:34.640 it would be really funny if Miami wins and beats SMU, 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.400 and then they beat Tennessee, and meanwhile Wright State beats Virginia, 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:41.160 and Virginia, by the way, they've been known to lose 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.120 a big game in the tournament in the first round. 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:47.520 Could you imagine a Miami right State battle to go 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:48.480 to the sweet sixteen? 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:52.160 Would be cool. That's where dreams are made. 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:54.239 I think it's kind of cool. I'm kind of I 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:56.920 got it right here. You hear this. This is I 0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.799 got the bracket right here in front of me. It's fine. 0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:07.960 I'm looking around. I see Wright State, Miami, Akron, Ohio State, Ohio. 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.280 Weall representatives. Yeah, there's a lot of teams from Ohio 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:12.000 here except for you know a couple. 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:14.120 Anyways. 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:21.080 Hello, yes, check one one one one hello, okay, one 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.120 too hello all right. Other than teams from Cincinnati, we're 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:30.319 good the college basketball, yeah, staple Cleveland not having any 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:32.000 team so choice. 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.480 Cleveland State was halfway d a couple of years ago. 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.719 Cleveland State from right, so the East region. Maybe a 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.840 team from Ohio will move out and it could be Miami. 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.600 Who knows. The bowling Green Falcons aren't in the areas, 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:46.640 they're not nowhere, terrible at sports. So NC State, Texas 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.600 and SMU, by the way, all came in after Miami 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:51.399 of Ohio, so it wasn't like they're the last team 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:55.160 to get in. And okay, but I still think, man, 0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.200 come on, you can't fourteen fifteen. But maybe this is 0:42:58.239 --> 0:42:58.880 a better position. 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:02.160 Yeah, I mean, either way, I think a lot the 0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.680 first four gets a bad rap because it doesn't feel 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:07.920 like it's a part of the tournament. But it is 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:11.640 This is an NCAA tournament appearance, and plenty of teams 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:13.920 have won, especially teams that win to go on to 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.360 be an eleven seed, which is what Miami would be 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.600 have won in that situation and advanced in the tournament. 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:23.480 It's far from the worst possible outcome for them. But 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.759 the committee did look at the strength of schedule and 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:27.480 the loss in the MAC tournament and say, okay, well, 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:29.000 you're gonna have to earn your way in a little 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:31.719 bit more because of the schedule that. 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.360 You had to face. Yeah, all right, Austin Almore your 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:40.480 your your Ohio State Buckeyes. Yeah and tcu uh an 0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:43.399 eight seed and first down matchup. Buckeye should should win 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.080 that one. If they do, though, how dangerous are they mean? 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:47.640 You know, Duke is the one that everyone has in 0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:48.839 a second round, They're gonna get Duke. 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:52.520 So tough scene for Ohio State when you h literally 0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:55.399 the second game revealed right after Duke is oh hey, 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:56.880 Ohio State, if you win, you get to play the 0:43:56.920 --> 0:44:00.399 number one all seed in the Duke blu Devils. But listen, 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:02.759 Ohio State is this situation similar to you see where 0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:05.640 they took a brief hiatus from the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:07.680 They haven't been there in a few years either, and 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.399 so they're finally back. The best story about Ohio State 0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:13.040 is Bruce Thorton. He is stuck around in Ohio State 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:16.400 for five years. He never left in the transfer portal. 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:18.879 He has been committed and loyal to that program. They've 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:22.400 changed coaches, all that stuff that typically a guy would 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:26.720 at the first chance runaway, Bruce Thornton stayed. Bruce Thorton's 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.680 now the all time leading scorer in Ohio State basketball 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.200 history and for the first time in his career, gets 0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.720 to go to the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. That's a fun story. 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.520 TCU is no pushover. I mean, we've seen them a 0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:39.800 little bit in the Big Twelve this year watching Cincinnati. 0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:41.480 They're not going to be it's not going to be 0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.080 a blowout. Here's the thing with Ohio State. They play 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.680 about thirty five minutes of really good basketball every night, 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.040 and they play five minutes of the worst basketball you've 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:53.560 ever seen. And that's why they're twenty one to twelve. 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:53.880 Got it. 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.360 So it seems like every game they play in the 0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.000 second half, there's this little lull, and if they can 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.200 withstand that lull, they can advance and after that, good 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:03.080 luck against Duke. 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:05.120 All right, so it wasn't coach k It was like Duke. 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:07.879 They had to get a lot of legitimacy pants back 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:10.560 here after Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's been a minute 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:12.560 a while, stay a minute, right, get used to it. 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:14.399 Every year, Coach k it is going to be there. 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.640 Just and their coach John Shire came up with coach 0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:20.080 k and so still anytime he leaves, it's going to 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.400 take a second to get back to this. And this 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:24.560 is the standard for Duke basketball to be the number 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:27.359 one overall season. Just speaking coming back, Louisville's in there 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.080 as a sixth seed. They got South Florida. I believe 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:33.719 you know, South Florida. That's pretty significant too. Yeah, deep 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:35.320 can they go? I don't know if they're going to 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:38.279 get past South Florida. I mean, right now, there may 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.600 not be a hotter team in college basketball than the 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.040 South Florida Bulls. A lot of people are picking this 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:46.239 team just because of how good they are offensively, as 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.640 that first round upset to take over Pat Kelsey and Louisville. 0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:52.359 So they got a tough draw for sure, and even 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:54.080 if they do win, they're likely going to play tom 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.280 Izzo in Michigan State. I mean, that East Region bracket 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:01.400 is loaded with so much any good teams. Mick Cronin's 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:03.520 on that side of the bracket as well. Oh, by 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:06.080 the way, Danny Hurley and the Yukon Huskies are in 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.319 that bracket as well. I mean that is difficult. No Oh, 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:10.719 there's Kansas by the way as well. So it's not 0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:12.880 going to be easy. But Louisville's back in the tournament. 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.320 South Florida can score man and that's going to be 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:17.520 a challenge for Louisville. 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.400 In Louisville is part of an interesting trend here. If 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:22.919 you look at the multi bid conferences, the MAC got 0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:25.520 two in again every twenty years you do to thirty 0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:29.360 forty years, you got the A ten head two, the 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.880 Big twelve had eight, ACC had eight, doubled the number 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:35.120 of teams representing the ACC this year. 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.279 Part of that, Yeah, I mean that's a credit to 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.120 that conference because that used to be one of the 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:43.759 best different the best basketball conferences in the country. And 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:46.000 so many years of Duke and North Carolina going back 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.879 and forth and all that. Clemson has a good team, 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:52.080 They've made the tournament this year and Louisville's resurgence under 0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:53.680 Pat Kelsey back where they're supposed to be. 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:57.200 Now, NC State and SMU are playing games that's hey, 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:00.200 they're there, Yeah they are, they're there. Let's go do 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:03.279 uk Kentucky and it's say seventeed the Midwest they've got 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.840 they're picking up Santa Clara. So like a little preseason 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:10.520 game there at a little for Kentucky. They played, Kentucky. 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.880 Played, they're playing down Yeah, I mean, you want to 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.560 talk about five minutes of horrible basketball. Kentucky fans have 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:18.759 seen that a lot at times this year for them. Yeah, 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.120 you just never know what Mark Pope's team is gonna 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:22.960 gonna give you. And there are times where they look 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.200 like they could easily make a run deep in the tournament, 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:26.640 and there are times where they look like they should 0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.560 be playing in the CBI. Like it's hard to put 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:31.920 a finger on what Kentucky is going to be on 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.319 a nightly basis. And I'm not going to sit here 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:36.320 and pretend that I know anything about Santa Clara. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:39.080 I have no idea, I have no clue, no clims 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.799 like that I have know who this is. However, if 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.200 they do beat Santa Clair, they got a good play 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:47.200 Iowa State. That's a little bit more of a test. Yeah, 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:47.520 it is. 0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:49.479 I mean the Big Twelve, I think is the best 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:53.400 basketball conference in the country. In Iowa State, though, is not. 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.080 They've lost big games before. I mean they've lost games 0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:00.360 they shouldn't have lost before. You might remember since Sinnatty 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.840 beat them like a Grand Canyon Mule a couple of 0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:06.719 weeks ago. So yeah, I mean it's it's it's as 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.920 corny as it sounds, like the whole March madness thing. 0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:12.279 Like you can see a run for any number of 0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:16.760 these teams, like early on favorites losing in the first round. 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:19.560 It's very possible, Like a team like Houston. 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:19.799 Right. 0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:22.640 Houston's a perfect example. They are not nearly what they 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:26.239 used to be, but they're still really good. But there 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:29.000 are more holes than we've seen from them in the past, right, Right, 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:30.000 But they're just one of. 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:31.759 Those teams like you don't know what you're gonna wind 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:33.320 up getting. Oh, you can say I made Kentucky, you 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:35.600 know Kentucky Ohio State they put can can get rid 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:38.000 of that five minutes of IC or ten minutes of INC. Yep, 0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:39.719 they can make a deep run here. 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:42.960 Yeah, it's consistency, it's you know, the big thing. I 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.799 always feel like every good basketball team, when you need 0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:48.520 it the most, has a player that can go and 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.400 get you a bucket, that can put the team on 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:53.399 their back. And you know, I think Ohio State has 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:57.640 that in Bruce Thornton. You know, obviously the name that 0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.080 that a lot of people are talking about right now 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:02.920 from Arkansas is is Darius Acuff, who went crazy yesterday 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:05.120 for John Calipari. By the way, how about coach col 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:08.360 all of a sudden sec champions I'm on with Arkansas. 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:10.880 You know those types of players. Do you have that 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:12.759 player that you can lean on to go and get 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:13.839 you a bucket in a big moment? 0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.520 All right? So we're chopping up with Austin Elmore here 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:19.799 from ESPN fifteen thirty with the March madness now in 0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:22.759 full swing here on seven hundred WW. Big star of 0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:25.200 course is Mayam Ohio getting in. He has to playing 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:27.279 game in Dayton yet it's gonna be a home game 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:31.320 for them. Can they advance? Sure? But after that it's Tennessee. 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.560 So circle that one on your calendar. I would point 0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:37.080 out too, going back to Miama, Ohio, Austin that Auburn 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:41.720 went seventeen and sixteen and they beat Florida defending national championship. 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:43.839 They didn't get en over Miami. How to how pissed 0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:44.800 are the people down there. 0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:48.120 I'm sure they're upset, But also they went seventeen and sixteen. 0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:51.160 That's true, and they obviously have a really difficult schedule 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:54.560 and playing in a really good conference. And I understand 0:49:54.640 --> 0:50:00.200 that argument to say the least. But I mean, you 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:02.400 went seventeen and sixteen. You gotta win the games that 0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:05.000 are on your schedule, and they were inconsistent all year long. 0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:07.440 We think Miami of Ohio is the darling, but I mean, 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:11.040 clearly the darling is Nebraska. It's one of those teams 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:14.080 that you're like, wow, Nebraska. Yeah, I mean they've been 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:14.600 pretty good. 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:16.640 I mean they were at one point there were three 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:20.400 undefeated teams left in the country. It was Miami, Arizona, 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.759 and Nebraska. And I remember, you know, like you rub 0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:24.680 your eyes and you look at it again, does that. 0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:26.560 Say what we're talking for? Nebraska? 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:28.479 That's what I thought when I saw a higher state 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:31.080 in TCU playing, I said, is it twenty fourteen in 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:34.439 the College Football Playoff? But yeah, it's yeah, it's it's 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:37.640 pretty wild to see Nebraska back in the NCAA tournament. 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:39.279 All right, So every bracket is going to have a 0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:42.239 double a double of the Huskers double digits to goes. 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:46.200 Are you going to join our office bracket Challenge this year? No? 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:46.600 Why not? 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:47.799 I might? 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:48.360 No? 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:49.520 Yeah, why not? 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:49.879 I want? 0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:53.759 I don't know because it's I'm not sure. I don't 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:55.160 like to pretend to like you know what. I picked 0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:57.480 my friends. I picked my own friends. I'm asking you 0:50:57.520 --> 0:50:58.960 to be best friends. 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:02.280 I'm asking you for ten American dollars because the people 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:05.719 and a submission to the tournament challenge, and if you win, 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:08.040 you you win a couple of bucks. 0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:10.319 When's the when is my when's the bracket deadline? In 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:13.320 this fine office? By Friday or by Thursday? 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:15.680 Thursday? Okay, Thursday at noon. I'll get it into you. 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:18.920 I would like it if you did. I make it 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:23.120 really easy on people. I've been so for years. No, 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:25.240 he's normally the last couple of years, he's been towards 0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:29.279 the bottom. But you know, Moe bestowed this responsibility upon 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:32.440 me a couple of years ago. And you're one of 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:35.960 the people that were chasing You've never participated since I've 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:36.560 been a part of it. 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:37.600 I don't really like you people. 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:39.840 I know that, but that doesn't you don't have to 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:41.880 You don't have to sit and watch the games, you know, 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:45.759 because you're my buddy, You're Austin. I'm in Okay, thank you, 0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:50.600 I'm in Ai. It's ten bucks. It's not the money 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:53.680 you lose one hundred in the wash every day. 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:57.440 Yeah I do. That's why I'm going to the filter 0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:03.280 taking a washing again. Every bracket has that double digit 0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:06.879 Cinderella story in the East. Who is it? Oh boy? 0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:10.200 From a double digit seed to Ohio State? Is that 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:12.920 Yukon Louisville. I don't think Furman can do it. 0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:17.040 I can't. I don't know. I don't think Florida can 0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:20.719 do it. I got no hops run. 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:28.520 Yes, yes, it's amazing how quickly you can do that, 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:32.799 like to just like between him and said, you just 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:34.560 don't even hesitate. 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.000 To h by the way I have, I don't even 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:39.400 know what a method. When when we. 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:43.000 Left the old studios to these studios that sometimes work, 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:47.279 there was a reds jersey with Furman the last name 0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:51.360 are Furman on the back. You gave me that jersey 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:53.879 when we have that, I still have it still. 0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:54.880 That's huge. 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:56.880 And it's funny because that thing was pinned up. The 0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:00.400 front of it was up against the wall, so the 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:02.600 back of it is like all dusty and worn and 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:04.359 seen by the sun, but the front of it looks 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:06.839 like a brand new jersey. And it's probably twenty five 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:08.600 years old. You get him to sign it. I know, 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:10.560 I need to get a Randy Firman. 0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:11.200 There you go. 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:13.920 Anyways, South Florida in the East is the double digit 0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:14.319 seed to go. 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:19.839 Okay, sorry, Louisville, Louisville, you're out. You're out. Is it 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:22.600 a foregone conclusion that Duke is your national champion? I 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:23.200 don't think so. 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:27.360 I think the best teams in the country are Michigan, 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:31.960 Florida and Duke. I'm not entirely a believer in Arizona, 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:37.280 but you can absolutely make that argument. And I'll never ever, ever, ever, 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:41.160 ever ever pick Michigan to win anything. So I'll take 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:42.920 the Florida Gators to go back to back and win 0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:45.080 the national champs. So again, you're betting with your heart 0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:48.880 and not your head. Uh, this is a mix of both. Okay, yeah, 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:51.439 all right, fair enough. Austin Elmer, what's on the Big Show? 0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:54.480 Today at noon on ESPN fifteen thirty. We're going to 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:56.320 see if we remember how to do a show because 0:53:56.360 --> 0:54:00.359 Kentucky basketball preempted us Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:00.640 Of last week. 0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:04.240 Can you see if Tony still recognizes me? Now, Tony 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.440 was the Saint Patrick's Day Parade grand marshall over the weekend, 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:10.680 so I have no idea what type of condition he's 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:11.520 going to be in. 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:15.520 When he walks the studios today. He should be fine, buddy. 0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:21.280 He's got Patrick's Day now, that's true. And as Leprechaun 0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:23.760 and he's the Yeah, he's the Queen of the prom 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:25.680 so all that sort of stuff. So we'll see how 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:27.200 he does. We'll see if we remember how to do 0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:27.600 a show. 0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:30.080 But we got a lot to talk about that we 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:32.920 didn't get to last week, especially the Bengals and obviously 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:34.880 Wes Miller and so on. 0:54:35.040 --> 0:54:36.880 Yep, you got it. So it's all a chopped out 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:38.920 again at noon today over in ESPN fifteen thirty. Give 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:41.200 it a listen. Thanks again, Buddy, appreciates you. Here's my 0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:43.719 ten bucks seven hundred WLW. 0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:48.440 Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:49.919 to help us get our heads right. 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:54.160 This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julietshire. 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:58.280 That was interesting. You know, your brain, maybe not mine, 0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:02.560 but your yours was built for the outdoors. Most of 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:05.879 us barely step outside, ay more especially kids, and there's 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:08.560 some significant things that happened, some good things had happened 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:11.880 when you do on that in that mind body connection. 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:14.200 Is Julie hat to share, our licensed mental health therapist 0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:17.160 out of Clifton and Cincinnati, jumping on the show again 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:19.600 this morning at beconnected dot Care. Good morning, how are you? 0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:21.479 Good morning? I'm great? 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:21.880 How are you? 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:24.520 I'm doing fine. We were outdoors yesterday. Today is a 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:27.680 different story because we're in Cincinnati and the weather sucks here. 0:55:30.040 --> 0:55:31.560 It's really not pretty out is it. 0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:33.560 It is not no, no, no no. You go from 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:36.600 good to bad to bad and good. But it's true. 0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:39.480 We know that the human brain needs it and we 0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:42.440 need a little bit of outdoors. What specifically happens when 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:45.680 you step outside is I guess the big question here? 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:48.120 That makes you feel good? Or at least it should 0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:50.560 make you feel good. Anyway, from a clinical standpoint, what 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:52.600 do you see in patients who are chronically indoors? How 0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:53.279 does that show up? 0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:58.360 It's interesting because you know, for most of our human evolution, 0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:02.799 we use large parts of our lives outside. Even if 0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:06.280 we worked, for example, in a factory, we still generally 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:10.200 walked to and from work. We often live large parts 0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:12.840 of our lives outside. And it's only been in the 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:16.160 last really small part of the entire history. 0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:17.560 Of human evolution that. 0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:21.880 We've gone from a home to a vehicle, to an office, 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:24.640 to a vehicle to a home without really spending any 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:29.640 time outside. And as we have become more sophisticated in 0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:31.680 testing what happens in our brains. 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.680 And our bodies, we're learning that time. 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:37.200 Outside, even as little as five to ten minutes, can 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:40.400 make a difference in how we feel and how our 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:44.440 bodies act physiologically, and how we feel in terms of our. 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:48.600 Mental processes, in our moods. And so it doesn't even 0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:49.439 have to be on a. 0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:51.960 Lovely day, on a day like today, just being outside 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:55.240 in nature in five to ten minutes, the heart rate flows, 0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:58.920 the nervous system calms down, and the stress response starts 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:02.239 to go away. To ten minutes outside, that's not doing 0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:06.279 anything special, that's just being outside. In thirty minutes, we 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:09.320 get even more benefits. We get a drop in cortisol, 0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:13.239 we get a drop in blood pressure, we get increased 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:16.880 muscle relaxation, and we get a boost in mood in 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:19.320 thirty minutes of just being outside. 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:23.720 It's amazing interesting. One of the phrases used here is 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:26.280 attention restoration that keeps coming up in the research. What 0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:27.360 does that actually mean. 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:34.160 Well, we've talked many, many times about how we get 0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:40.080 over stimulated. There's so much calling our attention with all 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:42.840 of the inputs we have from all of our devices, 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:45.600 from all of the people in our world, from all 0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.160 of the sites and sounds around us. If you live 0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:51.400 in a big city, it's like sensory overload. My big 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:53.360 city is sort of like being a casino. 0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:56.040 Or an adult chuck e cheese. You know, it's sensory overload. 0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:59.000 Well, there's a lot that calls our attention when we're 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:00.520 in nature, but it's softer. 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:02.560 All of those calls are softer. 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:06.880 Wind moving through trees, bird sounds, grass under feet, leaves 0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:09.720 crunching under us, the feel of the wind on our 0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:11.920 face if we're sitting in the grass, the feel of 0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:15.800 the grass under us, and so it allows our brain 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:20.160 to stay engaged, but to sort of go offline a 0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:24.920 little bit, which then allows us to solve problems better, 0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:30.920 to be more imaginative, to focus better after time in nature, 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:35.360 to be more creative, to be better at problem solving. 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:39.200 All of those things happen after about thirty to forty 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:44.280 five minutes in nature with devices turned off, so no 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.080 inputs through your ears other than what you hear in 0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:51.080 the world around you, no screens in front of your face. 0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:53.400 The brain resets and. 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:56.400 Can become much more productive in the aftermath of that 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:57.880 than it was going into it. 0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:00.400 Okay, gotcha, No, that makes sense. And we hear a 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:02.600 lot about screen time being bad for us. Is there 0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:04.840 real problem the screens themselves or the screens are keeping 0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:05.400 us inside? 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:10.920 Both actually, because if you're on your screen outside, you're 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:13.360 still not getting the full benefit of what's around you. 0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:15.960 It's better than being inside on your screen, but you're 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:18.360 still not reaping the full benefit of what's around you. 0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:20.479 And you know, we talked about how crummy the weather 0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:23.160 is in Cincinnati, and that's often the case, but even 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:25.840 being outside in bad weather, there's a lot of benefit 0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:28.240 to that because the sun is shining, whether we can 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:30.560 see it or not, and the sunlight, even if it's 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:35.280 filtered through the cloud resets our circadian rhythm. We still 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:39.040 feel the effects of the wind and the temperature and 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:43.480 the surroundings, and it has the same impact. 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:45.560 Whether the weather is good or whether the weather is bad. 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:49.080 But the screens typically keep us inside, and they keep 0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:54.480 us focused on artificial lights and artificial stimuli, which don't 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:58.080 have the same impact on the brain as being outside 0:59:58.080 --> 0:59:58.880 in the world does. 0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:00.640 Whether it's a forest or near. 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:03.400 The ocean, or on a river or on a lake, 1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:06.560 whatever it is, being out or in a meadow, being 1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:09.240 outside in the world has this impact on our body 1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:10.440 and our brain and unervous. 1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:13.400 If I'm on screen, if I'm a scrolling TikTok for 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:15.720 seven straight hours, but I'm doing it on a park bench, 1:00:16.120 --> 1:00:18.680 isn't that better? Don't I get credit for something? 1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:21.440 You get credit for being on a park bench. 1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:24.480 Yeah, I'm outside. I get the benefit of vitamin D 1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:26.440 in the smell of the air, the birds. But I'm uh, 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:30.120 it's more entertaining to be on my phone, So it's better. 1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:33.320 It's better than being inside, but it's not as good. 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:34.680 As putting your phone down. 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:37.400 It's not as good as putting your phone down, and 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:40.080 some of the things that it takes very little, like 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:42.840 thirty to sixty minutes a day improves your. 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:44.160 Mood and reduces anxiety. 1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:48.120 Thirty to sixteen minutes a day also improves your focus 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:51.200 and mental clarity, and twenty. 1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:52.320 To sixteen minutes a day. 1:00:53.920 --> 1:00:57.160 Improves your sleep because of the light exposure first thing 1:00:57.160 --> 1:00:58.880 in the morning and first thing in the morning. Light 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:02.960 exposure is really if you're having sleep difficulties, getting up 1:01:03.040 --> 1:01:06.320 and opening your eyes and getting outside for about twenty 1:01:06.400 --> 1:01:09.919 to thirty minutes, even ten or fifteen helps. First thing 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:12.919 in the morning sends the signal to your body that Okay, 1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:15.480 it's daytime and now we need to start moving. That 1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:17.680 then lets it power down at night when the light 1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:19.160 goes down and the sun goes down. 1:01:19.160 --> 1:01:22.640 Okay, Julie, morning sunlight gets mentioned for a lot of sleep, 1:01:22.680 --> 1:01:24.840 But why does that timing specific morning? Why does that 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:25.400 matter so much? 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:31.360 Because our bodies operate on a circadian rhythm. We are designed. 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:34.120 Before there was electric light, we were designed to go 1:01:34.200 --> 1:01:36.160 to three point it got dark and to wake up 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:39.880 when it was light. And for centuries, for much of 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:41.560 human evolution, we lived like that. 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:43.880 And then there was candle light, which was still a 1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:44.800 softer light than. 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:48.680 Electric light or firelight, and then electric lights came along, 1:01:48.760 --> 1:01:54.280 and electric lights extended the day significantly, dramatically extended the day, 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:57.400 and our bodies and our brains didn't. 1:01:57.160 --> 1:01:58.560 Necessarily catch up to that. 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:01.560 So what happened and when you get morning light is 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:04.600 it tells your brain and your body and your hormones, okay, 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:07.000 now it's time to get going on your day. And 1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:10.120 all of those things work together, and via the pituitary 1:02:10.160 --> 1:02:12.840 gland is one of the glands involved. All of those 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:17.040 things work together, and then as the sunlight goes down, 1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:19.680 your body says, okay, it's time to start powering down. 1:02:19.680 --> 1:02:19.880 Now. 1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:22.080 That's why we tend to sleep more in the winter 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:25.000 than we do in the summer, because daylight keeps us 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:28.080 awake longer, and when the lights go down, our body 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:30.720 tends to shut down. But the trigger for all of 1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:35.360 that is mourning sunlight, whether it's sunny or gray light today, getting. 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:40.800 Outside helps Julie. I blame whales. I blame whales well. 1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:43.000 So it was whale oil, lamp oil well, the original 1:02:43.080 --> 1:02:45.280 lamp oil was whale oil. When we discovered a lamp 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:47.960 oil well from whales, we hunted whales, and it almost 1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:49.520 made him extinct, and then we took the land and 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:51.360 we said, well wait a minute, now we've got petroleum 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:54.000 in the ground, let's do that. And that was the 1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:56.200 beginning of the twenty four to seven life cycles. But 1:02:56.400 --> 1:02:59.280 you're going back a couple hundred years there. We have evolved, 1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:01.479 have we not? Two hundred years that we don't need. 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:03.840 We just don't need. We don't live like that anymore. 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:05.080 So haven't we evolved? 1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:09.160 I would say we've adapted to the life that we're living, but. 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:10.440 We actually haven't evolved. 1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:13.240 Our brains and our bodies still work essentially the same 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:15.720 way they did then. Our brains still respond to the 1:03:15.800 --> 1:03:18.120 keys and the signals of daylight and darkness the way 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:21.120 that they did then. So we have adapted to a 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:26.280 longer and artificially extended day, we have adapted to a 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:31.720 shorter and artificially shortened night, but we have not necessarily 1:03:31.800 --> 1:03:36.240 evolved to it. So we still need what we needed, 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:39.000 We've just adapted to live without it, all right. 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:42.400 She's our licensed mental health practitioner, Julie Hattershare on the 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:46.280 Scotsland show Metal Health Monday, talking about your brain being 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:49.400 built for being outdoors and we barely step outside these 1:03:49.480 --> 1:03:52.000 days and got a lot of what ails us from 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:54.400 mental health and beyond. Even the body for that matter, 1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:57.440 be fixed with a little bit of just going out, 1:03:57.480 --> 1:03:59.880 putting the phone down, and even just standing in your 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:03.160 standing in the middle of the road example, jumping out 1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:06.480 of the way of the street takeovers. Getting outside is 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:09.360 a big deal. We're not doing it off and just 1:04:09.440 --> 1:04:11.280 a little bit is going to go a long way. 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:13.120 So what is the bare minimum here? We're talking like 1:04:13.160 --> 1:04:14.960 ten minutes a minute an hour. 1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:18.480 How long we're talking five to ten minutes. First thing 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:20.120 in the morning is the thing that if you have 1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:23.000 a hard time incorporating this, that's where you should start. 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:24.920 Five to ten minutes first thing in the morning. 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:27.160 Take your morning coffee or whatever it is you drink 1:04:27.160 --> 1:04:30.320 in the morning outside, sit on your patio or your porch, 1:04:30.440 --> 1:04:33.560 walk around in your garden, even if it's really cold. 1:04:33.600 --> 1:04:35.000 Just a couple of minutes will help. 1:04:35.040 --> 1:04:36.960 Go out and bundle up and just get a couple 1:04:36.960 --> 1:04:39.120 of minutes of sunlight through your eyes first thing in 1:04:39.160 --> 1:04:43.480 the morning. It helps reset your hormones, it helps tell 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:45.960 your internal clock that it's time to wake up, and 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:48.640 it actually helps you get much more restorative sleep when 1:04:48.640 --> 1:04:52.000 you do sleep at night. So that's the bare minimum 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:54.680 that most of us should be doing on a daily basis. 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:56.800 All right, ten minutes is the bare minimum. Well, some 1:04:56.840 --> 1:04:58.240 of us work for a living, and we got to 1:04:58.240 --> 1:05:01.160 get up early, Julie, what about us? We just that's it, 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:03.880 plany in the funeral. Now, what if you. 1:05:03.880 --> 1:05:06.840 Get up and you're at work before it's light out, 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:10.360 then the first opportunity you get to go outside and 1:05:10.360 --> 1:05:12.720 get some sunlight through your eyes five to ten minutes 1:05:12.760 --> 1:05:14.880 as soon as the sun is up. If you can 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:17.440 get outside and get some sunlight through your eyes, that 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:20.600 will really help you and it will actually help make 1:05:20.640 --> 1:05:22.520 it easier for you to get up in the middle 1:05:22.560 --> 1:05:24.280 of the night when you have to to get to. 1:05:24.240 --> 1:05:25.560 Work before the sun is up. 1:05:26.080 --> 1:05:29.720 So it all works really well if your brain and 1:05:29.880 --> 1:05:32.080 gets that signal first thing in the morning, and it's 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:34.600 harder if it doesn't. And so it's worth taking five 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:37.000 or ten minutes and taking a little walk. Go get 1:05:37.000 --> 1:05:38.960 a cup of coffee and walk to the coffee shop 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:41.600 instead of you know, just grabbing it from your kitchen, 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:44.800 if that makes sense, whatever works for you. Just get 1:05:44.880 --> 1:05:46.720 your sunlight first thing in the morning if you can. 1:05:46.920 --> 1:05:49.160 Is there a meaningful difference between like walking through a 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:52.080 city park or your backyard if you live in the burbs, 1:05:52.160 --> 1:05:54.520 or walk in the woods, or walking out on the 1:05:54.560 --> 1:06:01.040 ledge you're building and contemplating things as your coworker, there's appreciable. Okay, yeah, 1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:03.240 but as long as i'm outside, it's still good. 1:06:04.280 --> 1:06:05.160 It's still good. 1:06:05.240 --> 1:06:07.440 But your balance needs to be really on point if 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:09.480 you're walking on the ledge of the building. But no, 1:06:09.880 --> 1:06:14.320 your backyard, a city park, even down a city street, 1:06:14.360 --> 1:06:16.560 as long as there's some sunlight and there's some air 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:20.400 movement and there's some part of nature. Obviously nature is 1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:22.800 better than city streets. But what matters. First thing in 1:06:22.800 --> 1:06:24.800 the morning is the sunlight. You can get that anywhere. 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:28.120 But in terms of the other things, your backyard is lovely. 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:30.520 If you like to garden, go putter in your garden 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:32.800 for twenty or thirty minutes. If you have a park nearby, 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:35.680 take your dog for a walk. And if you are 1:06:35.760 --> 1:06:38.680 and I live in Mountlookout Hyde Park area, which is 1:06:38.880 --> 1:06:42.040 you know, an urban area with a lot of nature 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:45.240 around it. Don't focus on the street in front of you. 1:06:45.320 --> 1:06:47.640 Focus on the trees, focus on the grass, focus on 1:06:47.680 --> 1:06:51.480 the flowers in somebody's yard, focus on the natural elements, 1:06:51.520 --> 1:06:53.880 pay attention to what the birds sound like in the wind, 1:06:53.920 --> 1:06:54.440 in the trees. 1:06:55.000 --> 1:06:59.240 That is also really beneficial and will help you feel better. 1:07:00.000 --> 1:07:02.080 Why Geologically, your blood. 1:07:01.800 --> 1:07:06.120 Pressure and your hormones regulate and your nervous system calms down, 1:07:06.480 --> 1:07:09.360 and things change in your body within fifteen or twenty 1:07:09.360 --> 1:07:12.000 minutes of doing that for the better, they change. 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:12.200 For the better. 1:07:12.280 --> 1:07:14.640 What about someone who works long hours, has a very 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:17.880 demanding job, and you genuinely can't carve time outside. You 1:07:17.880 --> 1:07:19.280 can't get it. You can barely get a way to 1:07:19.280 --> 1:07:22.000 go to the restroom, let alone go outside for five 1:07:22.040 --> 1:07:26.120 to ten minutes. Is there anything you can real sickly do? 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:28.360 Do it when you can do it on the weekends, 1:07:28.640 --> 1:07:31.280 do it in the evenings because although we're talking a 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:34.040 lot about light, being outside in nature in the evening 1:07:34.200 --> 1:07:34.840 is helpful too. 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:36.200 So when you get home from. 1:07:36.040 --> 1:07:38.480 Work, whatever time that is, if you've got five or 1:07:38.560 --> 1:07:41.160 ten minutes to have a cup of tea or glass 1:07:41.160 --> 1:07:44.360 of wine or a glass of water and sit outside 1:07:44.480 --> 1:07:48.480 and just listen to the wind and feel the world around. 1:07:48.120 --> 1:07:49.280 You, that can be helpful. 1:07:50.240 --> 1:07:52.960 If you can't do that, roll the windows down in 1:07:53.000 --> 1:07:55.800 your car when you're driving home and turn the radio 1:07:55.880 --> 1:07:59.600 off and just enjoy what's around you, hear the night sounds, 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:03.480 feel to breeze. If you can't do that and you 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:07.280 don't get a break at work at all, try to 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:09.720 get up five or ten minutes earlier and get outside. 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:12.160 Do it on the weekends, do it on your vacations. 1:08:12.520 --> 1:08:15.360 Every little bit helps, but daily is better. 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:16.080 Than in chunks. 1:08:16.160 --> 1:08:18.120 Okay, So we talk about this as a menthol all 1:08:18.240 --> 1:08:20.920 to it. And again the optimal is doing it first 1:08:20.920 --> 1:08:22.760 thing in the morning for sunlight, or at least when 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:25.400 the sun is up at a reasonable hour before you 1:08:25.439 --> 1:08:28.400 start your day. But you know, in a panch, anytime. 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:31.320 In a pinch, anytime can do. 1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:34.880 And overall, overall, what we know is that about one 1:08:34.960 --> 1:08:38.760 hundred and twenty minutes a week is what's necessary for 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:39.960 optimal functioning. 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:42.520 So it can be broken into chunks. 1:08:42.960 --> 1:08:46.479 Ideally you do smaller chunks every day as opposed to 1:08:46.479 --> 1:08:48.680 two big chunks on the weekend. But if that's all 1:08:48.720 --> 1:08:50.479 you can get, that's all you can get. 1:08:50.760 --> 1:08:51.719 I mean, really, there are. 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:54.479 People who simply can't get outside very much during their 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:56.040 work week, and that's understandable. 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:58.760 So about one hundred and twenty minutes is optimal. 1:08:59.080 --> 1:09:00.840 And so if you've got to break that into five 1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:02.680 or ten minute chunks, and you've got to use some 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:05.679 in larger portions and some in smaller, little bite sized portions, 1:09:05.720 --> 1:09:06.400 that's fine too. 1:09:06.800 --> 1:09:08.160 But it's all counts. 1:09:08.280 --> 1:09:10.519 It all helps, and first thing in the morning is 1:09:10.560 --> 1:09:11.320 ideally the best. 1:09:11.360 --> 1:09:12.760 All right, So if you missed the being in a 1:09:12.840 --> 1:09:16.040 segment about being outside for five to ten minutes really 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.680 will help help you in many, many, many ways, just 1:09:18.800 --> 1:09:22.760 being out in the outdoors. If you miss that, this 1:09:22.840 --> 1:09:24.840 is showing up. How how does it present? When you 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:26.320 don't get enough outdoor time. 1:09:28.400 --> 1:09:32.000 Attention challenges, your sleep isn't as restorative as it might 1:09:32.040 --> 1:09:35.280 otherwise be. You sometimes have a difficult time getting to 1:09:35.360 --> 1:09:38.479 sleep or staying asleep because your brain hasn't gotten the 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:40.960 signal that it's time yet, because it didn't really get 1:09:41.000 --> 1:09:42.559 the signal that it was time to wake up. 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:43.639 And that's the other thing. 1:09:43.960 --> 1:09:47.360 Long term morning grogginess can happen because your brain hasn't 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:49.479 gotten fully gotten the signal that it needs that it's 1:09:49.479 --> 1:09:51.320 time to wake up and get moving during the day. 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:53.600 Well, it's also Monday, too, so let's just pump the 1:09:53.600 --> 1:09:55.000 brakes a second on expectation. 1:09:57.320 --> 1:10:03.200 Well, that's true, but but mid day grogginess as well. 1:10:03.320 --> 1:10:07.439 People tend to get a little intentionally challenged between two 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:10.080 and four in the afternoon. But one of the things 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:12.439 that we've noticed in the studies that I've read is 1:10:12.479 --> 1:10:15.800 that this early morning sunlight helps minimize that, so you 1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:17.760 can stay more productive during the day. 1:10:18.040 --> 1:10:18.799 And if you're more. 1:10:18.680 --> 1:10:20.880 Productive during your day, then maybe you don't need to 1:10:20.880 --> 1:10:22.719 do as much work when you get home in the evening, 1:10:22.720 --> 1:10:24.320 which might allow you to get outside more. 1:10:24.439 --> 1:10:27.880 Okay, all right, there some mood, mood. 1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:32.439 Improves and irritability decreases, and so you're going to be 1:10:32.520 --> 1:10:35.439 less irritable with your family and friends, and your mood 1:10:35.479 --> 1:10:36.840 is going to be better, which is going to make 1:10:36.840 --> 1:10:38.479 you more fun to be around, which is going to 1:10:38.520 --> 1:10:40.120 give you more social opportunities. 1:10:40.600 --> 1:10:41.799 So all good stuff. 1:10:42.360 --> 1:10:44.559 Did a long weekend last weekend down in Florida at 1:10:44.600 --> 1:10:50.040 our friend's place. How long does that boost last recharge 1:10:50.040 --> 1:10:51.920 in the battery, so to speak? Get in sunshine now, 1:10:51.960 --> 1:10:55.200 Florida sunshine is real sunshine, not we'll pass us for 1:10:55.280 --> 1:10:57.559 us here in the Midwest, right, it's real sunshine, Donner. 1:10:57.640 --> 1:10:59.599 How long is that a car real done picketure your 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:01.680 body battery, and a lot of people do that this 1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:03.400 time of year, maybe if you're fortunate to have a 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:06.240 place down there or whatever. But how much does that 1:11:06.320 --> 1:11:07.040 recharge things? 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:10.840 It lasts about a week, because you really need about 1:11:10.840 --> 1:11:13.519 one hundred and twenty minutes, like about two hours a week, 1:11:13.600 --> 1:11:16.240 and so it'll last you about a week and then 1:11:16.280 --> 1:11:17.800 you're going to need to recharge it again. 1:11:17.840 --> 1:11:20.360 And now that the time change has happened. 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:22.920 We have more daylight and spring is coming. I thought 1:11:22.920 --> 1:11:25.760 this was a really opportune moment to have this conversation 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:29.240 and get people into the habit of getting outside regularly 1:11:29.600 --> 1:11:32.000 so that when the weather changes and it gets yuckier, 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:35.360 which it will, they can already be in the habit 1:11:35.400 --> 1:11:37.559 of doing that and maybe continue that even in the 1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:38.200 gross weather. 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:40.160 So I got to go to Florida every week and 1:11:40.880 --> 1:11:42.559 I don't know, Willy money, Willy time, what are we 1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:43.120 doing here? 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:46.240 I can't do that? 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:48.720 I don't know. I wish we could go someplace for 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:51.479 him every weekend. It would that just be the best, right. 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:53.400 Well, some people who travels, like they work out of 1:11:53.439 --> 1:11:55.320 state or whatever, does they do that on the regular 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:56.280 largely they drive it. 1:11:56.320 --> 1:11:57.720 But and I don't know how you do that for 1:11:57.760 --> 1:11:59.960 a sustained period of time. I know a guy who 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:03.719 commuted from Ohio to Ottawa, Canada every weekend for five years. 1:12:06.200 --> 1:12:07.160 Imgine that. 1:12:07.280 --> 1:12:09.960 I can't imagine it either either in a plane or 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:14.519 it's crazy, right, but he did. He did insane, I 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:16.760 know I'm talking about. That's a different level of stress, right. 1:12:16.760 --> 1:12:20.120 You never see the outdoors. You're going backwards. You got 1:12:20.120 --> 1:12:23.080 to go the other ways on. But anyway, well, thank 1:12:23.120 --> 1:12:26.000 god we deported him. Anyway, Julie hattersh here is here. 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:30.040 She's our licensed mental health therapist and she's at Bconnected 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:32.720 dot Care in Clifton. Again, if you want to reach 1:12:32.720 --> 1:12:35.320 out to her directly for a question, concern, comment, or 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:38.400 maybe a future topic, it's hey Julie at B Connected 1:12:38.800 --> 1:12:42.280 dot Care Mental Health Monday with Julie. Thanks again, have 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:45.840 a great week, Thank you. All the best news on 1:12:45.880 --> 1:12:48.240 the way in about five minutes, so get get outside. 1:12:48.240 --> 1:12:50.840 Well maybe not today today we got snow coming in, 1:12:51.960 --> 1:12:54.720 scattered snow showers just after and they said it's not 1:12:54.760 --> 1:12:58.320 going to stick. Uh, but again, once you start seeing 1:12:58.320 --> 1:12:59.960 the flakes, after what we were treated to the last 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:02.000 two days here. It is ald depressing, is it not? 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:04.360 You'd agree with me there. The good news is the 1:13:04.400 --> 1:13:07.479 warm up is on the way, although the cold's gonna 1:13:07.520 --> 1:13:10.080 last a little. But anyway, I'm butchering this forecast. How 1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:12.720 about we get it from catch Market nine. Well, she'll 1:13:12.760 --> 1:13:15.400 do that, chuck as your traffic. We've got news and 1:13:15.520 --> 1:13:17.759 seconds here on the home of the Red seven hundred 1:13:17.760 --> 1:13:19.519 WWT Cincinnati. Do you want to. 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:23.479 Be an American idiot holding your seven hundred w dow? 1:13:23.680 --> 1:13:23.720 So? 1:13:24.360 --> 1:13:26.920 Your electric bill is already painful? Man, it hurts right, 1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:30.240 So now we add artificial intelligence into the equation. The 1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:34.400 AI boom is really running our power grid down here 1:13:34.400 --> 1:13:37.160 in America, especially in the Midwest, really really thin right now. 1:13:37.920 --> 1:13:39.760 You know this. I've talked about it a lot. You 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:42.120 We're gonna see blackouts. The rates are going to continue 1:13:42.120 --> 1:13:45.800 to rise. There seems no end in point, no no 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:49.760 breaking breaking points coming up. Let's face it, and experts say, 1:13:50.040 --> 1:13:52.600 you know, you can expect unless we do something drastic, 1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:56.760 you can expect rolling blackouts for businesses and for homes neighborhoods. 1:13:57.439 --> 1:13:59.200 It may not be far behind. I know that's like 1:13:59.240 --> 1:14:02.839 doomsday prophecy stuff, but It's true. You can only squeeze 1:14:02.880 --> 1:14:04.960 so much juse of that lemon? Right, So what do 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:07.439 you do when you can't trust the power grid anymore? 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:10.200 This is where you got to start thinking about options here. 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:12.799 His name is Levi, bobmin. Levi is the chief revenue 1:14:12.800 --> 1:14:16.040 officer for a company called Ingenuity Power Systems. That's Ingenuity 1:14:16.040 --> 1:14:18.800 with an E. And welcome to the show. How are you? 1:14:20.040 --> 1:14:20.640 Thank you so much? 1:14:20.720 --> 1:14:22.840 Gay, We're living the dream and super excited to be here. 1:14:22.840 --> 1:14:24.360 Thank yeah, yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. 1:14:25.000 --> 1:14:25.160 You know. 1:14:25.160 --> 1:14:26.880 The thing is the US par grid was built for 1:14:26.920 --> 1:14:29.479 a different era entirely, and now we have AI. We 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:32.200 have data center expansion. I mentioned off the are Ohio 1:14:32.320 --> 1:14:35.360 is fifth in data centers. We want to be number one. 1:14:35.400 --> 1:14:39.480 We've got about seventeen plan right now. In every municipality. 1:14:39.600 --> 1:14:41.439 It's going to face this issue of data centers at 1:14:41.479 --> 1:14:45.280 least neighboring communities for sure, and whether or not if 1:14:45.320 --> 1:14:47.080 they come in, but how they look. I mean, we're 1:14:47.080 --> 1:14:49.519 not going to be We're not turning off AI anytime soon. 1:14:49.560 --> 1:14:52.720 It's the future. And data centers now consume about three 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:55.360 percent of all of our electricity. That could double triple 1:14:55.400 --> 1:14:58.479 or quadruple by twenty thirty, right, so just just a 1:14:58.520 --> 1:15:01.639 handful of years. Because the major tech companies, the Amazons 1:15:01.640 --> 1:15:06.439 and Microsoft, the Google's are using gigawatts of power, which 1:15:06.479 --> 1:15:08.320 is about the same as small cities, and we have 1:15:08.400 --> 1:15:11.439 PGAM as our great operator here in the Midwest, they're stretched, 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:14.680 really saying. A lot of the experts are saying, be 1:15:14.800 --> 1:15:18.519 prepared for brownouts, be prepared for rolling blackouts unless things 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:21.120 change dramatically. But I don't know how we can do 1:15:21.160 --> 1:15:23.920 that considering how long it takes to put this infrastructure in. 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:27.360 So that's the setup. Leave How close are we realistically 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:30.880 to seeing widespread residential and commercial power disruptions in the 1:15:30.960 --> 1:15:33.240 United States and to the Midwest in the Tri State 1:15:33.240 --> 1:15:35.880 Here in Cincinnati, Scott. 1:15:35.560 --> 1:15:39.280 I'm really impressed because you are absolutely right, and not 1:15:39.520 --> 1:15:42.240 enough people are talking about it. It is absolutely going 1:15:42.280 --> 1:15:45.920 to happen this summer. So we'll see it happening this summer. 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:48.880 Once people start turning on their air conditioners, they're plugging 1:15:48.920 --> 1:15:51.240 in those electric cars and only gets worse. 1:15:51.439 --> 1:15:53.559 It's not as bad in the winter because people use 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:56.080 furnaces to heat their homes and heat their buildings, so 1:15:56.160 --> 1:15:58.600 that is running on gas, but it is coming, and 1:15:58.600 --> 1:16:00.639 it is coming now, so it'll happen in this summer. 1:16:00.840 --> 1:16:01.720 You're absolutely right. 1:16:01.760 --> 1:16:04.160 And what will be short a real number for you 1:16:04.200 --> 1:16:07.640 by pjam by twenty thirty, which the number that you 1:16:07.800 --> 1:16:12.200 use is eighty gigawats, and what a gigawatt? One gigawatt 1:16:12.400 --> 1:16:15.160 is equal to one nuclear power plant, and we just 1:16:15.200 --> 1:16:17.920 can't get a Milton time. You're absolutely right, and nobody 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:20.120 wants to live by a nuclear power plant. Where we 1:16:20.200 --> 1:16:21.720 need the power is where the people live. 1:16:22.200 --> 1:16:25.000 So we are the answer. We're one of the answers. 1:16:25.000 --> 1:16:26.840 We're not the only answers. It's going to take a 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:27.840 lot of substitutes. 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:30.919 But that is our whole slogans, be your own utility. 1:16:31.280 --> 1:16:35.360 So what we do is we manufacture CHPs, which is 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:39.120 combined heat and power units. Think of us as a 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:41.720 boiler that is also a generator. 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:43.680 So we make heat. 1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:47.240 Over a million BTUs of thermal load in the form 1:16:47.280 --> 1:16:50.960 of hot water. We produce fifty eight gallons of hot 1:16:51.000 --> 1:16:55.400 water at two hundred and three degrees per minute, and 1:16:55.920 --> 1:16:59.520 in doing so we produce one hundred and eighty kilowats 1:16:59.760 --> 1:17:03.280 of continuous three phase prime power. 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:04.840 So the President said. 1:17:04.720 --> 1:17:06.880 Himself, whether you love him or you hate him. He 1:17:07.000 --> 1:17:08.880 brought it up during the State of the Union and 1:17:09.040 --> 1:17:12.320 he told commercial properties and businesses that you are going 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:14.200 to have to bring your own power. 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:16.000 Well, that's going to be the solution. 1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:18.680 And because we're in distressing because your company, and you know, 1:17:18.760 --> 1:17:21.400 it's one hundred kill a lot and two hundred kill 1:17:21.439 --> 1:17:24.759 a lot power stations basically, and this is not for you. 1:17:24.760 --> 1:17:27.400 Your house does not need one hundred kilo loots, but 1:17:27.520 --> 1:17:30.400 your small business, medium sized business does. And so your 1:17:30.439 --> 1:17:34.360 generators in particular produce electricity as well as heat, and 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:37.599 that is that natural gas. 1:17:37.640 --> 1:17:38.040 Correct. 1:17:38.320 --> 1:17:41.080 So we run on four fuel sources, so you can 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:43.960 use natural gas, you can use pro pain, you can 1:17:44.040 --> 1:17:47.720 use biogas, and you could use hydrogen and HPS. By 1:17:47.840 --> 1:17:52.120 definition as a category, we take one fuel source and 1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:53.720 we produce two outputs. 1:17:53.960 --> 1:17:54.799 So you put. 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:58.799 Gas in, natural gas in, and you get heat out, 1:17:59.120 --> 1:17:59.920 and you get power. 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:01.439 We're out. That's what we. 1:18:01.400 --> 1:18:04.200 Do, gotcha. Some might say, okay, well, if we start 1:18:04.240 --> 1:18:08.280 going towards generators with natural gas, what then happens as 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:10.040 the price of natural gas goes to the roof, So 1:18:10.040 --> 1:18:10.799 where's the offset? 1:18:12.040 --> 1:18:14.080 So that's a great thing for our country though, if 1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:14.479 you think. 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:18.479 About our overall political stance and our overall security. We 1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:21.680 have a lot of natural gas, so natural gas is 1:18:21.720 --> 1:18:22.639 not in short supply. 1:18:23.000 --> 1:18:24.840 The prices of that are not going up. 1:18:25.040 --> 1:18:27.880 We can we have our own and so we're much 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:31.320 more secure as a country to use our natural gas 1:18:31.520 --> 1:18:35.800 versus being dependent on electricity, and that requires usually a 1:18:35.800 --> 1:18:37.560 lot of batteries in different. 1:18:37.280 --> 1:18:39.920 Forms, right, and those batteries are not great. Well. 1:18:39.960 --> 1:18:42.760 We're adding more evs or at least hybrids online, so 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:46.320 the load for your house is even in more demand, 1:18:46.360 --> 1:18:48.840 and that just adds to it. Obviously, commercial on our 1:18:48.840 --> 1:18:50.920 price is the bigger the business, the more power they need. 1:18:50.960 --> 1:18:53.160 And AI is at the very top of that pyramid, 1:18:53.280 --> 1:18:56.080 but certainly down near the bottom of residents and neighborhoods 1:18:56.080 --> 1:18:58.360 and the like where hey, listen, you know, I get home. 1:18:58.400 --> 1:19:00.679 I want to make sure when it's two thousand degrees 1:19:00.720 --> 1:19:03.120 here and as hot as a dog's mouth and Cincinnati, 1:19:03.160 --> 1:19:05.960 that I get home to air conditionings. The opposite when 1:19:06.000 --> 1:19:08.400 it comes to the very cold winter we just had. 1:19:08.920 --> 1:19:12.080 But if you're a business owner or worker, you hear, hey, 1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:15.360 the grid's under stress. We just assume that's an infrastructure problem, 1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:17.599 the utility companies, the government are solved. That's a pretty 1:19:17.640 --> 1:19:19.960 dangerous assumption, isn't it. 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:22.000 It really is a very dangerous assumption. 1:19:22.320 --> 1:19:24.680 And what we really believe is that the facilities that 1:19:24.720 --> 1:19:27.880 will thrive in the next decade won't just consume energy, 1:19:28.200 --> 1:19:31.320 they'll produce it. Because the reality is politicians like their 1:19:31.400 --> 1:19:33.519 jobs and in order for them to keep their jobs, 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:35.920 they got to keep your air conditioning running. So they 1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:39.519 are going to prioritize residential homes to make sure that 1:19:39.600 --> 1:19:42.639 they stay on because the outcry is just too great. 1:19:42.920 --> 1:19:46.759 But will they'll shift that not having it and they'll 1:19:46.960 --> 1:19:49.840 pull back. The supply is going to be for all 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:52.519 the commercial properties because they're going. 1:19:52.320 --> 1:19:56.479 To have to bear increased rates and increase lack of civility. 1:19:56.600 --> 1:19:58.760 Yeah, we all work for someone, so you're going, wow, 1:19:58.800 --> 1:20:01.080 that's my money, that's my income, that's my benefits. It's 1:20:01.120 --> 1:20:03.920 all that stuff for sure, But there's also the residential sides. 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:05.840 What you guys sell a producer right now is not 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:08.639 built for residential. It's built for commercial. At the smallest 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:10.840 unit you have as one hundred kilowatts, which you know 1:20:10.920 --> 1:20:13.360 he may be able to power a subdivision with that 1:20:13.479 --> 1:20:16.080 for sure, and maybe that's in the future hoas get 1:20:16.120 --> 1:20:17.439 together and buy something like that. 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:21.559 Right exactly, exactly, And so really what we see is 1:20:21.560 --> 1:20:25.400 the grid prioritizing residential. So where we're focused is not 1:20:25.560 --> 1:20:27.920 so much the data center size because to what you said, 1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:31.120 they're buying the megawats, right, and so what we're producing 1:20:31.200 --> 1:20:35.320 is kilowats. So we're focused on every other business out 1:20:35.360 --> 1:20:38.960 there that is impacted by these higher utility rates. 1:20:39.280 --> 1:20:41.559 And then what you don't use, you can sell back 1:20:41.600 --> 1:20:44.280 to the utility. By law, they have to buy back, 1:20:44.360 --> 1:20:46.200 right absolutely. 1:20:46.240 --> 1:20:48.800 So that's a little bit dependent on the area and 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:51.400 by the utility, but that is the goal, and I 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:54.160 believe that that will become more and more popular as 1:20:54.200 --> 1:20:55.839 this energy crisis increases. 1:20:55.960 --> 1:20:58.080 It really does. Levi Bauman is here. He is a 1:20:58.160 --> 1:21:01.200 chief revenue officer, chief financial officer for Ingenuity Power Systems. 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:03.320 We're talking about the stress on the grid and it's 1:21:03.520 --> 1:21:06.160 you know, this is his business for sure, and it 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:08.760 sounds like a lot of alarm bells going off. But 1:21:09.240 --> 1:21:11.920 typically as Americans, we ignore problems. The big problems I've 1:21:11.920 --> 1:21:14.719 mentioned countless times on my show is the power grid 1:21:14.760 --> 1:21:18.240 issue here for businesses and for residentialists. As we put 1:21:18.240 --> 1:21:20.799 more AI and more demand, more load on the system, 1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:23.240 we don't have the capacity. We don't have the lines, 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:25.880 we have the transmission, we have any of that. In 1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:28.799 doing that anymore is going to take ten, fifteen, twenty years. 1:21:29.080 --> 1:21:32.400 With right aways and everything else, we are going to 1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:35.720 as we add more AI, we're going to face brownouts. 1:21:35.439 --> 1:21:39.000 That's a natural fact at home, but especially in business. 1:21:39.320 --> 1:21:41.920 And his company helps solve part of that problem with 1:21:42.080 --> 1:21:45.840 natural gas and these combined units that generate electricity and 1:21:46.400 --> 1:21:50.080 it generates heat using natural gas. So when you hear 1:21:50.080 --> 1:21:53.360 that for commercial customers, one thing, if I say, hey, man, 1:21:53.400 --> 1:21:54.720 I listened to live on a street. I don't have 1:21:54.760 --> 1:21:57.160 a subdivision, it's my house. I'm scared that that should 1:21:57.200 --> 1:21:59.879 I just go get a regular generator. But that's usually 1:22:00.439 --> 1:22:04.080 off of gasoline or diesel, which is a whole other 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:07.080 issue entirely. What's the solution for residents to hear this? 1:22:08.680 --> 1:22:09.639 Well, for residents to. 1:22:09.560 --> 1:22:12.280 Hear this, it's really to work with their utility companies 1:22:12.560 --> 1:22:16.360 to ensure that their utility companies are working with business 1:22:16.400 --> 1:22:20.640 owners to get them using CHPs right. They really have 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:23.439 to push on the utility to make sure that they're 1:22:23.479 --> 1:22:28.320 being prioritized over data centers, over any new commercial properties 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:30.439 that are being built, to ensure that they're. 1:22:30.240 --> 1:22:31.960 Going to have stability for their homes. 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:36.040 What industries are most exposed to a serious disruption if 1:22:36.080 --> 1:22:37.679 the grid starts to fail to keep up. 1:22:39.200 --> 1:22:40.280 Oh, it's really everybody. 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:41.760 I mean, I would I'd like to tell you that 1:22:41.760 --> 1:22:44.600 it's this one particular area, but it's really everybody. And 1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:47.760 what the President talked about and what PJAM published right 1:22:47.800 --> 1:22:50.200 after the State of the Union is that they're essentially 1:22:50.240 --> 1:22:52.800 going to go a lifeboat style, if you will. So 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:57.439 the last in so any new buildings that are being built, 1:22:57.600 --> 1:22:59.840 any new subdivisions. 1:22:59.240 --> 1:23:00.920 They'll be the first turned off. 1:23:01.360 --> 1:23:05.120 So the grid is essentially PGM is essentially saying, listen, 1:23:05.200 --> 1:23:07.880 we're at capacity right now. Yeah, and so whatever is 1:23:08.000 --> 1:23:10.519 added to it, that'll be the first that will be 1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:14.240 taken off. And so anyone who is considering any new 1:23:14.320 --> 1:23:17.240 type of building, any new type of business, they should 1:23:17.240 --> 1:23:21.600 be looking at HPS to at a bare minimum supplement 1:23:21.800 --> 1:23:25.280 their power in order to do peak shaving and really 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:29.479 produce the primary power they need for most of their loads, 1:23:29.720 --> 1:23:32.400 and then any excess that they would need, then they 1:23:32.400 --> 1:23:33.719 would use the grid as a backup. 1:23:33.800 --> 1:23:37.559 Gotcha. So it is it's like work, right, last tired, 1:23:37.600 --> 1:23:38.160 first fired. 1:23:39.120 --> 1:23:41.280 Yeah, Unfortunately, that's just the way it is. 1:23:42.200 --> 1:23:42.479 Yeah. 1:23:42.680 --> 1:23:45.479 And we're also going to see huge rate increases as well. 1:23:46.760 --> 1:23:49.719 And so what's a realistic number if your commercial customer, 1:23:49.920 --> 1:23:52.040 you know, what does an energy budget even look like? 1:23:52.080 --> 1:23:53.840 If you're trying to budget out electric costs over the 1:23:53.920 --> 1:23:56.880 next five years. That's impossible, isn't it. 1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:58.880 It really is. I mean, you're looking at a bare 1:23:58.960 --> 1:24:00.280 minimum of probably a. 1:24:00.120 --> 1:24:03.519 Twenty percent increase in your utility costs, and it's not 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:07.080 unrealistic to consider forty percent. I don't know the rates 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:09.160 off the top of my head for you in Cincinnati, 1:24:09.200 --> 1:24:12.240 but you know in California they're paying fifty one cents 1:24:12.280 --> 1:24:12.839 of kilowatt. 1:24:14.880 --> 1:24:17.920 Yeah, that's that's that's substantially higher than what we're paying here. 1:24:18.040 --> 1:24:21.040 And speaking of California, ballso Texas in there we've seen 1:24:21.160 --> 1:24:24.639 rolling blackouts. Is that now a realistic scenario for the Midwest? 1:24:24.640 --> 1:24:25.479 And if so, how soon? 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:29.479 Yeah? This summer, So we will start to see that 1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:29.960 this summer. 1:24:30.040 --> 1:24:30.240 Yeah. 1:24:30.280 --> 1:24:33.160 And the primary driver of that is that the biggest 1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:36.600 use of electricity in a residential property. 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:37.360 Is your air conditioner. 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:41.200 So in the winter, this problem isn't as bad because 1:24:41.200 --> 1:24:44.040 people are using furnaces to heat their homes. But the 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:47.040 country for the past ten years has gone through this 1:24:47.160 --> 1:24:49.719 idea of going to heat pumps, and a heat pump 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:54.439 is essentially turning your air conditioner into your furnace as well. Right, 1:24:54.680 --> 1:24:58.720 So we've eliminated furnace use and we've increased our electrical use, 1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:01.200 which only come hounds this problem. 1:25:01.520 --> 1:25:04.080 So you got to be thinking about getting a generator. Now, 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:07.000 natural gas would be the best option for a house. 1:25:08.120 --> 1:25:10.920 Yes, absolutely, at least as some form of backup. 1:25:11.040 --> 1:25:13.760 Yeah, have a backup, have a plan, right. But you 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:15.719 know the other thing we haven't talked about Leevi Bauman, 1:25:15.880 --> 1:25:18.560 is a national security issue here that you know, a 1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:21.679 grit under this kind of stress. You know we're having 1:25:22.160 --> 1:25:25.000 as we speak, terror attacks, right, we saw cyber attacks, 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:29.000 we saw attack on infrastructure. Man, it doesn't take much 1:25:29.080 --> 1:25:31.439 to knock that whole house of cards over, does it. 1:25:32.720 --> 1:25:33.639 No, it really doesn't. 1:25:33.680 --> 1:25:37.040 And we are currently working with the DoD to help 1:25:37.160 --> 1:25:39.479 ensure that. So we do a lot of things with 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:42.919 the National Guard, in particular to ensure that the armories 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:46.759 have their own backup power or their own primary power 1:25:46.800 --> 1:25:49.760 that we produce for them to eliminate that risk. 1:25:51.240 --> 1:25:52.920 Leevi I. Bauman on the show this morning on seven 1:25:52.960 --> 1:25:56.080 hundred WW. He's the chief financial officer chief revenue officer 1:25:56.080 --> 1:25:59.440 for Ingenuity Power Systems that make commercial generators for businesses 1:26:00.320 --> 1:26:04.800 the small, medium, and large because of the unreliability infrastructure, 1:26:04.840 --> 1:26:08.120 and saying that even for residential customers, which is most people, 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:11.519 well all people listening are residential customers, that we could 1:26:11.520 --> 1:26:15.160 see brownouts and outages this summer, because he's saying it's 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:18.679 going to happen because of just how strained our power 1:26:18.680 --> 1:26:21.040 grid is in this country right now and national security 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:25.320 huge issue. You know, there's something called the concept of 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:28.280 behind the meter power generation. People are here maybe hearing 1:26:28.280 --> 1:26:30.160 that for the first time and never thought about it, 1:26:30.920 --> 1:26:33.080 and this is what we're talking about here. The concept 1:26:33.120 --> 1:26:34.960 is going to get a lot of attention in next year. 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:39.080 Yeah, absolutely, and that really is our slogan, right, be 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:40.120 your own utility. 1:26:40.320 --> 1:26:41.240 And so we are. 1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:47.360 Behind the meter power generation, so on site generated prime power. 1:26:47.960 --> 1:26:49.840 And then what we do in order to get eighty 1:26:49.880 --> 1:26:53.559 eight percent efficiency from our unit is that we capture 1:26:53.600 --> 1:26:57.080 that exhaust heat and we turn that through a heat 1:26:57.120 --> 1:27:01.519 exchanger into that hot water property can then use to 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:04.040 run through an absorption chiller so it can create their 1:27:04.040 --> 1:27:06.559 air conditioning. They can put it into a storage tank, 1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:08.760 and we essentially become their hot water heat. 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:12.360 What's the word on incentives federal incentives to do this stuff? 1:27:12.400 --> 1:27:13.240 Is there money coming in? 1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:16.240 There is all kinds of money coming in. 1:27:16.520 --> 1:27:18.960 So it's a little bit dependent on the state that 1:27:19.000 --> 1:27:21.920 you live in and what they're doing. From an AI perspective, 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:23.599 as you said, you're doing a. 1:27:23.560 --> 1:27:24.320 Lot in AI. 1:27:24.479 --> 1:27:28.040 So there's more available in Ohio than there is in 1:27:28.160 --> 1:27:31.680 other areas. But yes, there's all kinds of federal incentives, 1:27:31.840 --> 1:27:34.479 rural incentives, and local state incentives. 1:27:34.720 --> 1:27:38.639 Okay, Levi Bauman again, he is the CFO or Ingenuity Systems. 1:27:39.280 --> 1:27:42.639 They make one hundred kilowatt in two hundred kilowatt power 1:27:42.680 --> 1:27:46.120 stations basically behind the meters we're talking about. So for businesses, 1:27:46.760 --> 1:27:49.639 as power becomes more and more in demand and more 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:52.360 unstable because of that demand, it's an option you should 1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:55.479 be looking at because doing it now is going to 1:27:55.479 --> 1:27:58.000 save a lot of heartache. Because we start it's like 1:27:58.040 --> 1:28:00.919 anything in America, you know, no one takes the hurricanes 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:03.960 seriously until all of a sudden they see clo then 1:28:03.960 --> 1:28:06.080 they run to the tame deep onto tray, get plywood 1:28:06.080 --> 1:28:08.000 and bottled water. It's like the time to do that 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:10.080 is now right one. 1:28:10.800 --> 1:28:14.280 You know, I really couldn't conceptualize this until I went 1:28:14.320 --> 1:28:17.200 on safari in South Africa and we're staying at a 1:28:17.240 --> 1:28:19.920 really nice resort and then they come to us at 1:28:19.920 --> 1:28:22.479 breakfast and say, now make sure you charge your phone 1:28:22.840 --> 1:28:27.799 by ten am, and then we'll lose power until five o'clock. 1:28:28.080 --> 1:28:31.960 Then we'll have power from five to nine o'clock, but 1:28:32.360 --> 1:28:35.519 we lose power during the day so that their grid 1:28:35.640 --> 1:28:39.519 can prioritize office buildings during the day when people are 1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:42.320 at work. And so, I mean, I just thought that 1:28:42.479 --> 1:28:46.640 was crazy. And then I was working for Residio and 1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:49.719 for Honeywell, and I got a call from Tony Yutley, 1:28:49.840 --> 1:28:53.479 our CEO at Intinuity Power Systems, and then he showed 1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:57.240 me this data from PJM and he explained that's what 1:28:57.400 --> 1:28:58.560 we're headed towards. 1:28:58.800 --> 1:29:00.920 And so being im working for a. 1:29:00.880 --> 1:29:03.800 Company that can provide a solution to help our nation 1:29:03.920 --> 1:29:06.000 with this is why I'm so excited to be. 1:29:06.000 --> 1:29:08.920 Here feels third world. But third world is coming to 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:11.880 America before we know it. LEVI abouming all the best. 1:29:11.880 --> 1:29:13.920 Thanks again for jumping on. The show is really interesting 1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:15.320 and frightening at the same time. 1:29:15.800 --> 1:29:17.640 I really appreciate it. Thank you so much, Scott, have 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:18.160 a great day. 1:29:18.840 --> 1:29:20.720 Yeah, that's a lot of money too. I mean ten 1:29:20.800 --> 1:29:24.799 twelve thirteen grand for a generator. Wof just another expense 1:29:24.800 --> 1:29:27.599 you've got to look forward to. And I don't think 1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:30.439 it's one of those things we can fix really quickly either, 1:29:30.479 --> 1:29:33.040 just simply because it takes a long time to get 1:29:33.080 --> 1:29:38.720 more transmission and generation, but particularly transmission online. That's just 1:29:38.760 --> 1:29:42.200 a fact. Anyway, onward Scott's loan show. We've got news 1:29:42.240 --> 1:29:44.120 on the way in just about four or five minutes here, 1:29:44.160 --> 1:29:47.080 and then thirteen days from now it is opening today. 1:29:47.080 --> 1:29:49.080 I don't care what's happening. I don't care it's gonna snow. 1:29:49.160 --> 1:29:51.000 Us do care about it. I ain't trying to hear 1:29:51.040 --> 1:29:54.000 that you got thirteen days Mother Nature to get your 1:29:54.080 --> 1:29:58.840 bleep together. We need warmth, we need sunshine, and we 1:29:58.960 --> 1:30:03.720 need Reds baseball. On seven hundred WLW, Scott flown here 1:30:03.760 --> 1:30:06.719 seven hundred WLW. The Reds the Reds. I said, the Reds. 1:30:06.760 --> 1:30:09.200 I'm not talking college basketballs. They did early with Austin. 1:30:09.840 --> 1:30:12.760 The Reds are thirteen days now from opening day. We're 1:30:12.760 --> 1:30:16.040 inside that two week window, two rotation spots up for grabs, 1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:20.360 and their top candidate was struggling. And the latest and 1:30:20.439 --> 1:30:23.519 goodyear from our buddy Jeff Carr with Lockdown residently daily. 1:30:23.960 --> 1:30:28.360 That means year round Reds podcast available. You get yours, Jeffrey, welcome. 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:28.720 How are you? 1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:32.439 Plonie is going to be with you. We are so close. 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:34.920 We're talking about roster spots and it feels like there's 1:30:34.960 --> 1:30:38.320 only a couple, but I'm happy. I keep looking at 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:40.280 the forecast. I know you're not supposed to do that, 1:30:40.400 --> 1:30:42.920 but as of right now, it doesn't look horrible. 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:45.040 Hopefully we don't know. Two we don't know for two 1:30:45.040 --> 1:30:47.679 hours from out alone, two weeks. Hell, I mean walking 1:30:47.760 --> 1:30:50.320 on in shorts, Yesterdaday, I got to get the snowshovel 1:30:50.360 --> 1:30:51.960 back out. And of course the other side of this 1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:54.439 was they had to move game times in Arizona because 1:30:54.439 --> 1:30:57.680 there's one hundred and bleep degrees out there, so you're 1:30:57.680 --> 1:31:00.280 getting extreme temps in Arizona and we're getting a stream 1:31:00.320 --> 1:31:02.760 comes here in Ohio, I don't hopefully we won't have 1:31:02.800 --> 1:31:04.200 snow in the ground for opening day. 1:31:05.280 --> 1:31:08.240 Yeah, I remember twenty twenty one I have about froze 1:31:08.280 --> 1:31:10.519 in the outfield, and it's been a few years since 1:31:10.520 --> 1:31:12.760 that happened, so I'm still kind of got that in 1:31:12.840 --> 1:31:14.840 the back of my mind, like it could be coming. 1:31:15.720 --> 1:31:16.120 All right. 1:31:16.200 --> 1:31:19.000 So relatives of the Reds, they have two open rotation 1:31:19.080 --> 1:31:21.240 spots and we got three candidate. It's a good problem 1:31:21.240 --> 1:31:25.439 to have, especially with your ace out for the foreseeable future. 1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:28.320 Rhet Lauder has been the most consistent I think, all 1:31:28.360 --> 1:31:30.439 spring and then he comes out and what almost fifty 1:31:30.439 --> 1:31:33.280 pitches and two innings? Is that a concern? 1:31:34.840 --> 1:31:34.960 Now? 1:31:35.160 --> 1:31:37.360 It's just a build up. I think that the number 1:31:37.439 --> 1:31:40.920 of pitches is the key number for any pitcher in 1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:44.080 spring camp, especially when they are competing for the starting rotation. 1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:47.759 It's just how many pitches can they get in one outing? 1:31:48.160 --> 1:31:50.160 You know, you might have fifty pitches to be three 1:31:50.240 --> 1:31:53.920 or four innings, but they're trying to work themselves up 1:31:53.960 --> 1:31:56.759 to about one hundred pitches. Last year, in his first 1:31:56.800 --> 1:31:59.759 season as manager, Terry Francona had said that he would 1:31:59.800 --> 1:32:01.600 like all of his pictures to be stretched out to 1:32:01.600 --> 1:32:04.760 one hundred pitches by the time camp breaks. So he's 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:06.559 working his way up to that number. He's got a 1:32:06.560 --> 1:32:08.840 few more starts to get there, and I think he will. Yeah. 1:32:08.840 --> 1:32:11.080 But the other guy here is Chase Burns, and as 1:32:11.120 --> 1:32:14.800 opposed to building up, they're taking more off his plate, uh, 1:32:14.840 --> 1:32:16.800 to get him a little bit of time to get 1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:19.679 getting his groove here louder struggles I mentioned, So Brandon 1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:22.639 Williamson is there is there an opportunity here to get 1:32:22.640 --> 1:32:23.520 one of those spots. 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:26.120 Well, I thought it was interesting the way that both 1:32:26.160 --> 1:32:29.680 guys were talked about. Of course, you know, everybody's new 1:32:29.720 --> 1:32:33.560 favorite buzzword around the Cincinnati Reds is dload. Yeah, you know, 1:32:33.680 --> 1:32:37.960 I know, I know, upload down load back to front load. 1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:41.200 Now we're dloading. But so that that was kind of 1:32:41.240 --> 1:32:44.400 a strange thing to hear, and it feels like semantics. 1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:47.719 But at the same time they were talking about Brandon 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:50.120 Williamson and one of the things that Terry Francona said 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:52.320 is he's still going to work on getting into his 1:32:52.439 --> 1:32:57.240 routine because some days are good and some days, well 1:32:57.240 --> 1:32:59.760 they aren't. And it's like okay, So it sounds like 1:32:59.760 --> 1:33:02.240 both guys are dealing with a little bit of something 1:33:02.320 --> 1:33:04.920 right now. And the interesting part about Chase Burns, like, 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:08.880 I don't think it's unprecedented, and it's possible that Derek 1:33:08.920 --> 1:33:11.960 Johnson talked with Terry Francona about this and like, well, 1:33:12.000 --> 1:33:15.639 you know, we had this other guy whose last name 1:33:15.800 --> 1:33:19.200 rhymes with smell and the way that he treated his 1:33:19.240 --> 1:33:21.120 pitchers at the beginning of the year. They only threw 1:33:21.160 --> 1:33:24.080 like four innings in their first start, and that kind 1:33:24.120 --> 1:33:26.439 of feels like what they might end up doing with 1:33:26.560 --> 1:33:29.479 Chase Burns, I mean, only throwing twenty eight pitches his 1:33:29.680 --> 1:33:34.120 last time out. Realistically, he's got three more starts between 1:33:34.120 --> 1:33:37.839 now and opening day, maybe just two in a bullpen session, 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:40.479 so it's not likely he gets stretched out to that 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:44.160 one hundred pitch mark, So I would expect that. I 1:33:44.200 --> 1:33:46.879 still expect him to be in the opening day rotation, 1:33:47.520 --> 1:33:49.640 but I think his first start to be more of 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:53.280 the four tough, five inning variety as opposed to a 1:33:53.320 --> 1:33:55.280 six inning one that we would like to see. 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:58.320 All right, waita, it's the Hunter Green situation and we're 1:33:58.320 --> 1:34:01.880 in this era arm care, monitoring even and deloading. The 1:34:01.920 --> 1:34:04.280 situation of Chase burns though it kind of tells us 1:34:04.280 --> 1:34:06.080 about the way the Reds are managing pictures. Does it 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:08.439 feel like it's different this year and how they're they're managing, 1:34:08.479 --> 1:34:10.840 especially with the medical staff. And I bring Hunter Green 1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:13.439 back in because a guy, you know, had elbow chips 1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:15.919 that can't you can't fix that with an injection, that's surgery. 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:18.320 That's why he's out. He had the all off season 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:20.400 to do this, and yet here we are today. So 1:34:20.800 --> 1:34:22.599 does it feel like they're changing their tune or at 1:34:22.680 --> 1:34:26.160 least changing their strategy when it comes to management from 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:27.600 a medical standpoint. 1:34:28.160 --> 1:34:31.000 I think so. And I think the only issue that 1:34:31.080 --> 1:34:33.280 they've had has just been the messaging with it. I 1:34:33.320 --> 1:34:35.760 think they've been much more careful with the guys in 1:34:35.840 --> 1:34:39.160 spring training. We keep hearing, you know, different things about 1:34:39.200 --> 1:34:41.120 this and that and the other. In fact, you know, 1:34:41.240 --> 1:34:43.800 there was a conversation with Nicolodolo the other day where 1:34:43.840 --> 1:34:48.080 he alluded to, without going into any specific detail, that 1:34:48.120 --> 1:34:51.080 he is already preparing for the blister issue, which he's like, 1:34:51.160 --> 1:34:54.759 I've never had the blister this early on in the season, 1:34:54.840 --> 1:34:57.360 so it's never been a problem. But they're doing as 1:34:57.400 --> 1:34:59.720 much as they can right now to prevent it from 1:34:59.760 --> 1:35:01.720 ha Benina at any point in the year. So I 1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:06.719 feel like the mantra, albeit ironic with how one hundred 1:35:06.760 --> 1:35:10.640 Greens News played out, is just being careful with this 1:35:10.760 --> 1:35:13.799 pitching staff as you get into into the year, because 1:35:14.560 --> 1:35:17.240 I think they understood that most of the starting rotation 1:35:17.439 --> 1:35:21.640 was set before Cactus League games even began, and so 1:35:21.680 --> 1:35:24.360 it was really about keeping guys healthy and making sure 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:26.600 that they are warmed up and ready to go for 1:35:26.640 --> 1:35:29.679 the season, and not so much about Hey, make sure 1:35:29.720 --> 1:35:30.880 you go out there and you can give me your 1:35:30.960 --> 1:35:34.719 best stuff in February and early March, where it doesn't 1:35:34.720 --> 1:35:37.479 matter because we need your best stuff in August and 1:35:37.600 --> 1:35:38.960 late September. 1:35:39.360 --> 1:35:41.240 And nf and then the final push in the last 1:35:41.280 --> 1:35:45.800 thirteen days of spring training. Jeff Carr, Obviously, these guys 1:35:45.800 --> 1:35:47.960 want to show out so you can lock up a rotation. 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:51.519 Spot Terry Francona came out and already announced the starters 1:35:51.520 --> 1:35:54.240 were opening day, at least the first three. Of course, 1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:56.439 you've got now to decide who the other two and 1:35:56.479 --> 1:35:58.880 what that looks like right now, if that were today, 1:35:58.920 --> 1:35:59.559 what would it look like. 1:36:00.680 --> 1:36:02.400 I think for me, it's it's going to be red 1:36:02.439 --> 1:36:05.880 Louder as the fourth starter and Chase Burns as the 1:36:05.920 --> 1:36:09.240 fifth starter. Now, the significance of this would be those 1:36:09.280 --> 1:36:13.160 two guys would pitch in the Pittsburgh series that follows 1:36:13.200 --> 1:36:16.040 the Red Sox series that was the Red Sox being Abbot, 1:36:16.240 --> 1:36:20.080 Lidolo and Singer, and then you would see those two 1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:23.200 guys going up against a couple of key starters for 1:36:23.240 --> 1:36:26.120 Pittsburgh that's always every single one of those series. This 1:36:26.240 --> 1:36:28.360 year is just going to be super heightened with the 1:36:28.400 --> 1:36:32.840 way that Pittsburgh attacked their offseason trying to get themselves 1:36:32.920 --> 1:36:35.920 up to the level where the Reds are, and you know, 1:36:35.960 --> 1:36:39.240 in their minds even past that point, there's four teams 1:36:39.280 --> 1:36:41.679 that are competing for this division and so you're going 1:36:41.680 --> 1:36:44.400 to need your best stuff. I still think that Brandon 1:36:44.400 --> 1:36:46.000 Williamson will be up here. 1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:48.080 At some point because they're going to have to manage. 1:36:47.760 --> 1:36:50.679 The innings of Red Louder and Chase Burns. But those 1:36:50.720 --> 1:36:52.920 are the two guys that I think deserve those spots. 1:36:53.000 --> 1:36:55.320 We think Green may be back by when All Star break. 1:36:56.640 --> 1:36:59.240 Yeah, I would say probably after the Alto. 1:36:59.040 --> 1:37:02.920 Okay, Okay, it just keeps repeating itself again. He gots 1:37:03.000 --> 1:37:06.600 back after it, but hopefully Abbott, Lodolo, Singer, Louder and 1:37:06.640 --> 1:37:09.080 Burns and Williamson can keep you in the hunt. I 1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:11.479 mean that's the goal, right is to win the division 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:13.680 and go wall to wall. Can you do it with 1:37:13.760 --> 1:37:16.360 that rotation you do with those guys? How much do 1:37:16.400 --> 1:37:18.679 we miss Hunter Green? I guess we'll find out shortly here, 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:21.840 but with everyone fighting for roster spots and also Ferguson's 1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:24.000 on the iel as well, so how much more pressures 1:37:24.000 --> 1:37:25.840 that put on? This starting rotation. 1:37:26.640 --> 1:37:28.760 Definitely puts a little bit because you look at the 1:37:28.760 --> 1:37:30.960 bullpen and you felt good about the two lefties and 1:37:30.960 --> 1:37:34.240 Ferguson and Burke, and now you move Ferguson out at 1:37:34.320 --> 1:37:36.719 least for the time being, and you talk about Burke 1:37:36.880 --> 1:37:40.680 and Mall, and where Burke is a strong pitcher, he's 1:37:40.720 --> 1:37:44.880 not necessarily that effective against lefties as far as Payla 1:37:44.920 --> 1:37:47.599 Ferguson was, So you're gonna have to lean more on 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:51.120 Sam Mall than I think anybody would have guessed, or 1:37:51.280 --> 1:37:54.080 some people didn't want to see him, But I feel 1:37:54.080 --> 1:37:56.800 really good about him bouncing back in a big way. 1:37:56.840 --> 1:37:58.800 He was a guy that a couple of years ago 1:37:58.960 --> 1:38:01.760 there was a stat that I and I never really 1:38:01.760 --> 1:38:03.759 came up with a good term for, but a relief 1:38:03.760 --> 1:38:06.800 pitcher that came into a game didn't allow a base 1:38:06.920 --> 1:38:10.799 runner and got at least one strikeout. And Alexis Diaz 1:38:10.880 --> 1:38:13.840 led the team in twenty twenty four. We know how 1:38:13.840 --> 1:38:16.519 that went ye, but Sam Mall was number two, and 1:38:16.600 --> 1:38:19.040 so I think that he is a guy to watch 1:38:19.400 --> 1:38:21.920 bounce back in this bullpen in a big way this year. 1:38:22.160 --> 1:38:24.920 But you're right, like the bullpen isn't going to be 1:38:24.920 --> 1:38:26.680 starting the year full strength, but probably going to have 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:29.559 Luis May in the back end. I would think he 1:38:29.720 --> 1:38:33.080 takes that open spot that Ferguson vacates. Albeit there's been 1:38:33.080 --> 1:38:36.519 some interesting performances from Hagen Danner, and there's been the 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:39.839 guy that they acquired from the Pittsburgh Pirates for Tyler 1:38:39.880 --> 1:38:43.360 Callahan and Kyle Nicholas, but I still think we see 1:38:43.400 --> 1:38:46.000 some usual suspects there filling out the balls. 1:38:46.600 --> 1:38:48.880 We spent a lot of time talking about the starting rotation, 1:38:49.000 --> 1:38:51.920 but the more pressing roster question might be the bullpen. 1:38:51.960 --> 1:38:52.920 You got three open spots. 1:38:52.920 --> 1:38:56.280 There three open spots, and it feels like one of 1:38:56.280 --> 1:38:59.719 the guys that, at least when camp began I felt 1:38:59.720 --> 1:39:02.640 like Honor Phillips did a lot toward the end of 1:39:02.680 --> 1:39:05.080 last season to earn a spot, and while he hasn't 1:39:05.120 --> 1:39:08.559 had the most consistent spring, I still think he earns 1:39:08.600 --> 1:39:11.000 one of those spots. So you're looking at two spots, 1:39:11.040 --> 1:39:14.000 and I think it's Sam Mall and you can kind 1:39:14.000 --> 1:39:17.400 of shuffle Luist May and Zach Maxwell back and forth there. 1:39:17.439 --> 1:39:19.200 I think that we will see a lot of both 1:39:19.400 --> 1:39:22.120 this season. There's never been now as much as we 1:39:22.120 --> 1:39:24.120 talked about twenty twelve is the last time that the 1:39:24.160 --> 1:39:26.760 Reds really only used five starting pitchers, except for the 1:39:26.760 --> 1:39:30.240 one time that they had to play a doubleheader and 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:33.400 use somebody else. We've never seen this season where they 1:39:33.520 --> 1:39:36.200 only use eight relief pitchers. There's definitely a lot more 1:39:36.240 --> 1:39:38.360 guys that are going to get up here, but I 1:39:38.400 --> 1:39:41.000 think the start we'll see one of May or Maxwell, 1:39:41.000 --> 1:39:42.639 and my money's on May between those nos. 1:39:42.680 --> 1:39:46.439 Jeff Carr from Lockdown Red's thirteen days left before it 1:39:46.479 --> 1:39:49.479 starts for real here in Cincinnati. With opening Day, all right, 1:39:49.520 --> 1:39:52.640 we talked about the arms, let's talk about positional players. 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:55.320 Three airs in one inning on Saturday, two from wild 1:39:55.360 --> 1:39:59.599 pickoff throws, one from a Jajblede just absolutely lazy from 1:39:59.600 --> 1:40:02.720 what it's on. I like, you know, that's always kind 1:40:02.720 --> 1:40:05.479 of been a trend with the base running two and 1:40:05.560 --> 1:40:08.559 of course defense. Do you just chalk that up as to, hey, 1:40:08.560 --> 1:40:11.280 it's spring training or three hours in one inning. It 1:40:11.320 --> 1:40:13.800 seemed like it's one of those things where mentally it multiplied. 1:40:14.840 --> 1:40:17.519 I definitely would say it's a little bit of both. 1:40:17.760 --> 1:40:20.200 I mean, you know, you're talking about the pickoff moves. 1:40:20.960 --> 1:40:23.439 You wonder a little bit if it's just okay. It's 1:40:23.479 --> 1:40:25.960 a lot of differences, whether it be first baseman and 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:30.200 pitcher and who's used to who and how does that 1:40:30.280 --> 1:40:33.240 all play out. But the Bledet thing is interesting because 1:40:33.240 --> 1:40:36.200 he came into camp really competing with Will Benson for 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:38.639 a spot on this roster. You weren't going to keep 1:40:38.680 --> 1:40:40.720 both because you just don't have enough spots from the 1:40:40.760 --> 1:40:43.040 bench to do that, and especially whenever they went and 1:40:43.080 --> 1:40:46.200 they got Nathaniel Low, it was clear you're only going 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:48.200 to keep one of them at least for opening day. 1:40:48.640 --> 1:40:50.800 And I kind of feel like, as much as we 1:40:50.840 --> 1:40:54.040 talked about early on, neither guy had lost it. I 1:40:54.080 --> 1:40:56.639 think Will Benson has sort of separated himself a little 1:40:56.640 --> 1:40:59.519 bit more here, and so jj Bleda is kind of 1:40:59.560 --> 1:41:02.360 behind the eight ball, and he's he's a guy that's 1:41:02.400 --> 1:41:05.760 probably if he hasn't already turned it on, he needs 1:41:05.760 --> 1:41:08.920 to turn it on right now. And I almost wonder 1:41:08.960 --> 1:41:11.360 a little bit if that was him. Okay, I gotta go, 1:41:11.960 --> 1:41:13.680 and then he just makes a bone head move and 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:15.920 so there's there's part of me that thinks that there's 1:41:15.960 --> 1:41:19.679 something more to that error. Not all spring training errors 1:41:19.680 --> 1:41:21.960 are created equal, sure, but at the same time, it's 1:41:22.280 --> 1:41:26.600 it's going to reflect more on his resume than it 1:41:26.680 --> 1:41:29.200 would say on some of the other fielders. All right. 1:41:29.240 --> 1:41:30.840 Now, the other side of that, I'm said it was 1:41:31.640 --> 1:41:34.200 Ellie's still selling three bases. I mean, he has spent 1:41:34.360 --> 1:41:38.000 unbelievable in the infield for that matter, looks loaded. You 1:41:38.080 --> 1:41:41.160 got day La Cruz, he got McLain, Hey, Suarez, Stewart. 1:41:41.840 --> 1:41:43.519 There's a lot of baths to manage, and it's a 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:45.640 great problem for Tito, you know. 1:41:45.720 --> 1:41:47.920 That's that's been the question that we asked just about 1:41:47.960 --> 1:41:50.479 every spring training game, is Okay, what do we take 1:41:50.520 --> 1:41:53.400 away from this game that means anything at all? And 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:56.160 we've we've had some fun with the hard contact and 1:41:56.200 --> 1:41:59.240 the way the guys have just absolutely smashed the baseball. 1:41:59.240 --> 1:42:01.360 And we've talked about Matt McLain a lot this spring, 1:42:02.360 --> 1:42:05.480 but that for me was the biggest sign that everything 1:42:05.560 --> 1:42:08.439 is okay with Eli de la Cruz because there was 1:42:08.439 --> 1:42:12.160 that one play or that one sequence where he got walked, 1:42:12.600 --> 1:42:16.000 he steals second, South Stewart hits an easy single up 1:42:16.040 --> 1:42:20.200 the middle, and Ellie scores from second on that easy single, 1:42:20.240 --> 1:42:22.559 and I'm like, that is the sign to me that 1:42:22.680 --> 1:42:25.640 everything is good with the guy who everything needs to 1:42:25.680 --> 1:42:28.000 be good with. And so we're ready to go with 1:42:28.160 --> 1:42:30.320 La de la Cruz because if he is able to 1:42:30.360 --> 1:42:33.200 score on those types of plays and will, by the way, 1:42:33.280 --> 1:42:35.320 if he's adding more power to his game and things 1:42:35.360 --> 1:42:38.840 like that, then we are talking about, you know, really 1:42:38.840 --> 1:42:42.040 getting excited for our expectations for a guy that should 1:42:42.040 --> 1:42:43.840 be a top ten player in the league. And he 1:42:43.920 --> 1:42:45.880 didn't play like that last year, but I think we'll 1:42:45.880 --> 1:42:46.519 see that and. 1:42:46.479 --> 1:42:48.639 It really feels, I mean, it's really well done if 1:42:48.680 --> 1:42:50.960 we can continue this pace with the Reds because bringing 1:42:51.000 --> 1:42:53.680 Suarez and it it lightens, it makes it easier for 1:42:53.720 --> 1:42:55.160 their guys to do what they do, and that's Matt 1:42:55.240 --> 1:42:57.080 McClain and Eli de la Cruz and they're all playing 1:42:57.360 --> 1:42:59.720 phenomenally right now, and hopefully we don't have a we 1:42:59.800 --> 1:43:01.840 saw last year. It's like, oh, they're losing one nothing. 1:43:03.000 --> 1:43:04.720 These one run games. They can put some runs up 1:43:04.960 --> 1:43:07.479 and cover some of the problems in the bullpen and 1:43:07.520 --> 1:43:10.519 certainly the starting rotation. It's not gonna tay much of 1:43:10.640 --> 1:43:11.759 guys to get the dub. 1:43:13.240 --> 1:43:17.200 Right. And I think that that's the key thing to 1:43:17.320 --> 1:43:20.040 underscore here when it comes to Suarez, is that if 1:43:20.080 --> 1:43:23.280 these guys are going like they can, Suarez just has 1:43:23.360 --> 1:43:25.400 to do one thing. He just has to match to 1:43:25.479 --> 1:43:28.800 baseball songs. He's doing that, then he's doing everything that 1:43:28.840 --> 1:43:31.799 the Reds needs him to do because they are leaning 1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:37.920 more on Ellie McClain, Stewart and those guys to really 1:43:38.040 --> 1:43:40.080 carry this ball club. They did not bring in au 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:42.080 Heeni asar As to be a superhero because I've seen 1:43:42.160 --> 1:43:45.240 people wonder, They're like, is he going to be as 1:43:45.240 --> 1:43:47.680 good as they need him to be? And I keep 1:43:47.680 --> 1:43:49.640 telling me, folks on like, you're over selling what the 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:52.200 Reds are asking him. Reds are asking him to mash 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:57.640 bombs and just keep this lineup dangerous, and he is 1:43:57.920 --> 1:44:01.400 well within his capability of doing that, especially when you've 1:44:01.439 --> 1:44:04.600 got Ellie doing everything that he can do on a 1:44:04.600 --> 1:44:06.800 baseball field on top of everybody else. 1:44:06.920 --> 1:44:09.200 Yeah, you had McClain, You add Sal Stewart and some 1:44:09.200 --> 1:44:11.760 of these other pieces in their haze, and it's a 1:44:11.800 --> 1:44:15.160 really really good mix. Steer right right, Everyone's hitting on 1:44:15.160 --> 1:44:18.920 all cylinders here, So I can't wait. At thirteen days 1:44:18.920 --> 1:44:20.639 from now, it'll be opening day here on the Home 1:44:20.640 --> 1:44:23.240 of the Red seven hundred WIT Live the Holy Grail Banks. 1:44:23.240 --> 1:44:25.720 As always, I'll start it off Jeff Carr. You can 1:44:25.760 --> 1:44:27.960 follow him locked on Red's He's all over the place. 1:44:27.960 --> 1:44:31.840 That's the only daily Reds podcast, year round two and 1:44:31.920 --> 1:44:34.000 no one is certainly knows more about this ball club 1:44:34.040 --> 1:44:36.439 than Jeff. Appreciate you joining us on this Monday morning. 1:44:36.439 --> 1:44:40.599 We'll talk next week, buddy, Appreciate you. We've got news 1:44:40.640 --> 1:44:42.720 on the way in just minutes. Willie takes over at 1:44:42.720 --> 1:44:47.320 twelve oh six this morning here on seven hundred w WDE, Cincinnati,