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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Hi, hello, and welcome in.

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Speaker 3: It's the Moegar Show here on ESPN fifteen thirty and

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Speaker 3: I am not Moegar. My name is Austin Elmore and

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Speaker 3: happy to be with you for the next three hours.

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Speaker 3: Right here on ESPN fifteen thirty, we are monitoring the

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Speaker 3: situation at Great American Ballpark right now between the Reds

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Speaker 3: and the Pirates. The Reds trailing Pittsburgh four to three

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Speaker 3: in the top of the ninth inning in Pittsburgh, threatening

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Speaker 3: with two on and nobody out, Auaneo Suarez delivered a

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Speaker 3: pinch hit, two run homer to make it a one

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Speaker 3: run game. Andrew Abbott gave up three runs in the

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Speaker 3: first inning, Paul Stein's was pretty dog gone good gave

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Speaker 3: up just one run thanks to a Nathaniel Low double,

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Speaker 3: and the Reds have their way back into the game

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Speaker 3: and are hoping for their second walk off win of

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Speaker 3: the year, and that will have to happen in the

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Speaker 3: bottom of the ninth inning if it is going to

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Speaker 3: happen coming up here shortly or perhaps even some extra innings.

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Speaker 3: There was some doubt that game would get in, but

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Speaker 3: so far the weather has held off and they are

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Speaker 3: in the ninth inning. So while many are focusing on

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Speaker 3: the Reds and the first six games of the season,

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Speaker 3: we'll get into that as the show goes along today

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Speaker 3: without a doubt, including grades and trends, and potential superstars

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Speaker 3: that need to be playing like superstars acting like superstars,

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Speaker 3: and guys that the Reds may want to lock up

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Speaker 3: for the long term future. We will get extensively into

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Speaker 3: the Reds in this show, including going down to Great

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Speaker 3: American Ballpark for the postgame and hearing what manager Terry

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Speaker 3: Francona has to say following today's game against Pittsburgh. We

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Speaker 3: will also go out to Arizona, the Arizona Builtmore that's

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Speaker 3: where the NFL annual meetings are being held, and Paul

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Speaker 3: Dayner Junior is there. Paul typically on this show on Tuesdays.

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Speaker 3: The Chickster was in yesterday. Paul was working feverishly yesterday

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Speaker 3: talking to Zach Taylor and writing his articles and I

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Speaker 3: believe sipping on something next to a pool at one point.

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Speaker 3: But Paul's gonna join us today and give us his

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Speaker 3: reaction to what Zach Taylor said and why or why not?

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Speaker 3: Katie Blackburn is not what's the best way to say this,

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Speaker 3: Why Katie Blackburn isn't talking, and when we might hear

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Speaker 3: from Katie Blackburn. There were thirty teams that had some

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Speaker 3: NFL annual meetings. There were two that weren't. The two

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Speaker 3: that didn't have that happen were the Cincinnati Bengals and

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Speaker 3: the hometown Arizona Cardinals. So we'll get into that with

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Speaker 3: want to start with what I thought Zach Taylor kind

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Speaker 3: a quote that's going around where Zach is talking about

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Speaker 3: how the the Bengals are relying on Demetrius Knight Junior

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Speaker 3: That's a lot to ask for two guys who really

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Speaker 3: did not perform very well at all a year ago.

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Speaker 3: And you look at the way that the team has

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Speaker 3: repeatedly failed this offseason to address the linebacker situation. It

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Speaker 3: had a lot of us scratching our head and trying

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Speaker 3: to figure out, Okay, what exactly is the plan here?

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Speaker 3: How are these guys going to get better. How are

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Speaker 3: the Bengals going to fix this issue with their defense,

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Speaker 3: which absolutely is the linebacker spot. And I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of Bengals fans were happy when Brian Cook got signed,

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Speaker 3: with the Jonathan Allen signing, and you're at those different

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Speaker 3: parts of your defense improving ever so slightly. And I

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Speaker 3: don't have any problem with any of those moves. But

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Speaker 3: the biggest and most glaring issue on that defense a

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Speaker 3: those two linebackers didn't have a clue what they were doing. Now,

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Speaker 3: it is without question that over the course of the

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Speaker 3: play better, and there were small schematic tweaks that Al

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Speaker 3: improved the Bengals' ability to rush the passer. However, I

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Speaker 3: don't know that that's necessarily a sustainable tweak or the

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Speaker 3: And so the way that Zach Taylor described it yesterday

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Speaker 3: also wasn't really any sort of indication from Zach Taylor

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Speaker 3: the point to say, it's not like we're not prioritizing

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Speaker 3: this particular position and then kind of spoke out of

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Speaker 3: He was asked about why they haven't added to the

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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that we don't prioritize it. It just

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Speaker 3: and so we've identified that and added to it. That's

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Speaker 3: not how that works. If you're prioritizing the linebacker position,

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Speaker 3: there aren't other positions and players that come in and say, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's more of a need. We're gonna go and get

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Allen instead of Leoshanelle. We're gonna go and get

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Speaker 3: boy A Mafe instead of It doesn't matter. If there

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Speaker 3: are other positions, that's fine, but that is indicative of

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Speaker 3: which to me was the most impactful thing that Zach

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Speaker 3: me unveiled what the organization's plan is to help their defense.

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Speaker 3: It is Boye Mafe, Brian Cook, Jonathan Allen, and anybody

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Speaker 3: they can get in the draft, and they believe that

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Speaker 3: the addition of those guys in return will raise the

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Speaker 3: level of the Bengals linebackers. You add those dudes into

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Speaker 3: the defense, that makes the two linebackers better, And okay,

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Speaker 3: in theory, that doesn't necessarily I don't necessarily disagree with that.

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Speaker 3: on top of that, you don't have anybody that can

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Speaker 3: and you're going to do so by just putting three

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Speaker 3: had no doubt from top to bottom. If you have

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Speaker 3: that level, with no real veteran presence, with nobody behind

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Speaker 3: to Joe Giles Harris and Orrin Burkes, you're just wondering, Okay,

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Speaker 3: what exactly is the future here?

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Speaker 3: I have a hard time believing that this plan is

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Speaker 3: We're probably not going to take a linebacker in the

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Speaker 3: the second round. How can we help those young linebackers?

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Speaker 3: Either way, those two positions are what I believe the

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Speaker 3: of the NFL Draft. So that was really kind of

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Speaker 3: to talk to Paul Dayer Junior about this here in

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Speaker 3: about five minutes, is is there any sort of frustration anger,

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Speaker 3: resentment developing from the coaching staff who has to put

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Speaker 3: the front office and the personnel department who clearly are

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Speaker 3: plan that is probably viable enough to put the best

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Speaker 3: roster together. This has been a critical offseason. We know

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Speaker 3: it's been a critical offseason. Joe Burrow caught it a

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Speaker 3: do think marginally in very little spots they are better,

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Speaker 3: there is a lack of depth across the entire team.

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Speaker 3: There's really no plan to get anybody else defensively, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they expect the defense and those

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Speaker 3: struggling to understand Emilio Pagan, who's getting shelled in the

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Speaker 3: the Bengals when we come back. Paul Danner Junior from

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Speaker 3: I'll talk to him about what he learned and what

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Speaker 2: I heard radio welcome back in.

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Speaker 3: It's the Moegar Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm not Moegar,

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Speaker 3: I'm Austin Elmore. Moe is back tomorrow. But we have

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Speaker 3: a chance to talk to a regular on the Moegar Show,

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Speaker 3: our guy, Paul Dayner Junior from the Growler podcast and

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Speaker 3: the Athletic still in Arizona, out covering the NFL Annual meetings,

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Speaker 3: not the owners meetings. They're the annual meetings, but they're

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Speaker 3: actually the owners meetings. It's just a lot of meetings.

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Speaker 3: how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Austin.

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Speaker 7: Nobody likes anything more than meetings, right, and it's just

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Speaker 7: do you. I kind of wish that, like Jerry Jones

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Speaker 4: Couldn't this have been an email? No, it's always a

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Speaker 7: Tons of media out here, all the illuminaries that you

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Speaker 7: might come to expect. It's it's quite the NFL show,

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Speaker 7: and I was happy to be a small part of it.

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Speaker 3: If you had to set the number the over under

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Speaker 3: have email on their phone, what would you put the

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Speaker 4: You know what, Look, they've made money. At some point

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Speaker 7: You know, I think I every single takeaway I have

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Speaker 7: I mean it was it was, that's not a problem

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Speaker 7: you know, why put more unease and uncertainty around those

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Katie Blackburn normally talks at the NFL meetings in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: She is not talking this year.

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Speaker 7: it's a break from tradition. You know, only only Arizona

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Speaker 7: here locally didn't have somebody from front office or ownership

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Speaker 7: speak at the league meetings. It's just kind of what

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Speaker 7: everybody sort of does. They can you know, we I've

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Speaker 7: seen enough thirty one to one vote here, Audie, to

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Speaker 7: know that they're gonna be go to the beat of

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Speaker 7: their own drummer if they feel like it's where they

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Speaker 7: need to be. Uh So, it's it's that's what they're

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Speaker 7: choosing to do. I don't you know if as long

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Speaker 7: as she speaks, I think you know, that's really it

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Speaker 7: just needs as long as it happens sometime and we

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Speaker 7: have an opportunity to ask the questions that we can.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's a big deal. It's it.

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Speaker 7: It kind of stinks for for those of us that

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Speaker 7: were that are out here because it's something that you want.

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Speaker 7: But you know, it's not about me, sir, It's not

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Speaker 7: about me.

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Speaker 2: Well you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I would contest that maybe, but I get where you're

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Speaker 3: coming from, and it is good to hear that she

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Speaker 3: will at least or at least is planning on speaking

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Speaker 3: a little bit later on. I think it would be

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Speaker 3: funny if she showed up in her golf clothes and

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Speaker 3: did it during OTAs like Trey Henderson last year.

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Speaker 2: I think I would. I would appreciate that from Katie.

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Speaker 2: It'd be a good sense of him.

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Speaker 7: Perfect would be a great sense I would that would

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Speaker 7: be that would be an all time would be a

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Speaker 7: great way to start, you know, a new frontier.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in her in her public image. I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I think you're onto something, said, send

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Speaker 4: that email, write a letter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing I want to talk to you about.

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Speaker 3: I had heard you and Jay talking on on the

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Speaker 3: Growler about Joe Burrow and the flag football thing, and

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Speaker 3: you said, you, guys, Hauld talk to Larry Fitzgerald, and

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Speaker 3: Fitzgerald had some glowing things to say about Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: But what struck me is apparently Burrow was just laying

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Speaker 3: out all these ideas to Roger Goodell about the growth

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Speaker 3: of the game. What can you tell us about that? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So they they're launching this flag football league.

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Speaker 7: They made that announcement and they had a little press

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Speaker 7: conference here and Larry Fitzgerald came over.

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Speaker 4: He's a part of the like.

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Speaker 7: Core team of people behind it, and so he was

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Speaker 7: around afterwards, and he had been a part of the

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Speaker 7: event that Burrow was at, and I just kind of

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Speaker 7: was curious his impressions, and he was like, yeah, on

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Speaker 7: the field stuff, He's like, yeah, you see exactly why

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Speaker 7: that guy's at all pro and Heisman and Sup like

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Speaker 7: you get here.

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Speaker 4: He is like it mattered to him. He was like

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Speaker 4: working after trying to work up plays and routes and

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Speaker 4: stuff like. But yeah, the crazy things happened in the background.

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Speaker 7: He's like, it's it's me. We were at well, you know,

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Speaker 7: one of the events there. He's like, it's me and

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Speaker 7: Joe and Roger Goodell. And Joe has all of these

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Speaker 7: ideas about how he thinks you can grow the game,

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Speaker 7: the future of the game through flag football, big.

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Speaker 4: Ideas like really really really wanting to be an.

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Speaker 7: Ambassador for the sport like a football through and has

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Speaker 7: ideas about flag And obviously we are we all know

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Speaker 7: how much he wants to be a part of the

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Speaker 7: Olympics if he can do that, and that's he's made

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Speaker 7: that very clear.

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Speaker 4: I just thought that was fascinating.

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Speaker 7: He he's just kind of in those circles and he's like,

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Speaker 7: you know what, he's got ideas, he's got thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Like he's calculated in all this stuff.

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Speaker 7: And I think he loves the idea of being part

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Speaker 7: of being an ambassador for the game of football generally,

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Speaker 7: and and found the flag element fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is cool. I heard you guys say that,

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Speaker 3: and I was pretty taken aback by that as well.

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Speaker 3: I thought that could be important and something to monitor

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Speaker 3: down the line. Paul, thank you so much for the time.

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Speaker 3: I know you're busy as a one armed wallpaper hanger

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Speaker 3: out there in Arizona. What you got, what are you

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Speaker 3: working on? What do you got coming up that people

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Speaker 3: can be on the lookout for on the Growler and

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Speaker 3: the Athletic.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I have a story up now on the sort

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Speaker 7: of what we heard about the state of the defense

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Speaker 7: that you reference. I'll have something coming out tomorrow and

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Speaker 7: sort of everything I heard on the week out here

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Speaker 7: at the league meetings, so that that'll be out tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 7: and then we're.

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Speaker 4: Full in on all of our draft stuff on the

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Speaker 4: Growler and on all of our coverage.

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Speaker 7: There'll be you know, there'll be mock drafts, There'll be

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Speaker 7: deep guys, there'll be mock mock drafts.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna do trade back draft. Let's go. You know,

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Speaker 4: we're we're gonna we're all, We're all in on it.

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Speaker 7: I actually won one last tidbit is I was sitting

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Speaker 7: down with Kevin Clark here, who's a big Miami Hurricane guy,

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Speaker 7: and you know from ESPN who I'm I'm a big

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Speaker 7: fan of and and we we've always been friendly over

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Speaker 7: the years. And I said, are you just going around

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Speaker 7: here spouting all your Miami prospects to all of these people,

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Speaker 7: and and we came up with, there's actually a perfect

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Speaker 7: Kevin Clark Bengals mock draft that exists that is just

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Speaker 7: all Miami Hurricanes players that actually works, including like the

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Speaker 7: whiff on a six round tight end that blew the

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Speaker 7: National championship. Boy, then uh so, but so I might

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Speaker 7: I might follow through on that and actually have that

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Speaker 7: as well as part of it, because I might stamp

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Speaker 7: right now for the Ruben Baying Kante one two opener.

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Speaker 2: I was about to say, sign me up for Keante Scott.

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Speaker 4: I'm all in on.

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Speaker 2: That sounds good.

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Speaker 3: And then all of this obviously in the backdrop to

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Speaker 3: the Ornberg's revival, which is certainly coming this fall.

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Speaker 4: Up shacka Hayward profile lands on June tenth.

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Speaker 3: Paul Dater Junior, Thanks so much, man, appreciate it later, buddy.

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Speaker 3: That is Paul Dater Junior from the Athletic and of

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Speaker 3: course the growler. Great stuff. He's in a great mood.

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Speaker 3: Who wouldn't be out there in beautiful Arizona at the

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Speaker 3: NFL Annual Meetings.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break. We'll be back. This is The

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Speaker 2: Moegger Show on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen to.

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Speaker 5: Thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to The Moeggers Show on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: I'm Austin Elmore. As we were finishing up the Bengals

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Speaker 3: conversation with Paul Dayer Junior. The Reds we're finishing off

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Speaker 3: their second straight loss. They dropped the series of Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: Pirates a Great American Ballpark Today. Final score eight to three.

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Speaker 3: Paul Skeins recovers nicely from a stinker he had on

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Speaker 3: opening Day. Paul Skins came into this game with a

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Speaker 3: twenty eight inning scoreless streak against the Reds. He did

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Speaker 3: make it up to thirty one before Nathaniel Lowe had

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Speaker 3: an RBI double that scored Ellie de la Cruz in

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Speaker 3: the game, and that was the Reds first run. They

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Speaker 3: later scored two more on a pinch hit home run

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Speaker 3: off the bat of au Haaneo Suarez, and the Reds

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Speaker 3: were down just one going to the ninth inning, but

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Speaker 3: Emilio Pagan imploded and the Reds end up losing eight

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Speaker 3: to three. Cincinnati and Pittsburgh both three and three on

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Speaker 3: the season. Pittsburgh takes that series, So through the first

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Speaker 3: six games, the Reds have split, They've won a series,

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Speaker 3: They've lost a series. They are off tomorrow, and they

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Speaker 3: traveled to Texas this weekend to play the Rangers. It

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Speaker 3: is a four o'clock start on Friday afternoon. It is

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Speaker 3: the Rangers home opener at Globelife Park down there. Let's

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Speaker 3: quickly go through some of the numbers from today's Reds game,

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Speaker 3: they had just five hits. They struck out nine times.

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Speaker 3: They did have three walks. Two of them came from TJ. Friedo,

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Speaker 3: one came from Spencer or from South Stewart. The hits

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Speaker 3: came from Elie da La Cruz, Nathaniel Lowe, a Uhaneo Suarez,

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Speaker 3: Dane Myers, and Tyler Stevenson. I'll tell you you want

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Speaker 3: to talk about a guy I've been really impressed with

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Speaker 3: so far through the first six games, Dane Myers. He's

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Speaker 3: hit well against right handers, he's hit well against left handers.

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Speaker 3: He's got an elite arm in center field. He plays

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Speaker 3: a good defensive center field. I just wonder if maybe

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Speaker 3: there's a world in which TJ. Friedel is not the

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Speaker 3: everyday center fielder, because you want to talk about a

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Speaker 3: guy who hasn't been very impressive through the first part

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Speaker 3: of the season, that would be TJ. Friedel, Freedo batting

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Speaker 3: just ninety one so far this year and uh not

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Speaker 3: getting on base very much at all. As far as

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Speaker 3: the pitching is concerned. Andrew Abbot gave up a three

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Speaker 3: run homer to O'Neil Cruz in the first inning and

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Speaker 3: then after that recovered pretty nicely. Final line on Abbot

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Speaker 3: five and two thirds, five hits, four runs, They were

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Speaker 3: all earned. He had three walks, struck out five, and

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Speaker 3: did give up that homer. Now one of the reasons

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily consider this an earned run to Andrew Abbott,

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Speaker 3: but he came out of the game for Connor Phillips.

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Speaker 3: And Connor Phillips came in and walked the first two

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Speaker 3: dudes he faced, including walking in a run, and that

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Speaker 3: runner belonged to Andrew Abbott. Connor Phillips, you know not

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Speaker 3: this time and the time before, has come in and

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Speaker 3: immediately walked the first two batters he's faced. He's got

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Speaker 3: nasty stuff, but he's got to be able to put

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Speaker 3: it over the plate. He reminds me of a young

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Speaker 3: Graham Ashcraft. Graham Ashcraft pitched today and he looked pretty

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Speaker 3: good one inning, did give up a hit but struck

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Speaker 3: out two. He continues to have a nice start to

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Speaker 3: his season. Tony Santien came in, pitched a scoreless inning

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Speaker 3: and struck out one, and then Emilio Pagana the ninth

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Speaker 3: gave up three hits, four earned runs, struck out two,

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Speaker 3: and gave up an absolute tank shot of a homer

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Speaker 3: to Brian Reynolds in that one final line on Paul

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Speaker 3: Sken's five innings, three hits, one run, it was earned

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Speaker 3: two walks and five strikeouts, and a host of others

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Speaker 3: pitched for uh Pittsburgh. O'Neil Cruz had another nice day

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Speaker 3: two hits, as I mentioned that three run homer as well.

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Speaker 3: So the Reds are three and three to start the season.

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Speaker 3: We'll take a break, we'll come back and it's time

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Speaker 3: to start having some conversations. I know it's early, but

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Speaker 3: I want to have some conversations about the Reds and

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Speaker 3: I also want to hear from you. At five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty, This is The Moegger Show on ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 3: thirty of the Moeggers Show. Now, I understand that six

652
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Speaker 3: games is a really, really small sample size and we

653
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Speaker 3: should not be losing our minds over six games. And

654
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to lose my mind over six games.

655
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Speaker 3: But I remember an extra inning show that I did

656
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Speaker 3: down the hall on WLW at the beginning of last year,

657
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Speaker 3: and I remember being really frustrated. It was early April,

658
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: and I had started to see a lot of the

659
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Speaker 3: same things from that ball club that I had seen

660
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Speaker 3: from the team the year before, and this was losing

661
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: baseball type of stuff. Situationally, not knowing where to throw

662
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Speaker 3: the ball, making a dumb decision at the plate, all

663
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Speaker 3: sorts of just little stuff that made me be like, gosh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this team is going to be

665
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Speaker 3: able to get over the hump. And to their credit,

666
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Speaker 3: they got better depending on how you look at it,

667
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Speaker 3: as the season went along, and they were able to

668
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Speaker 3: find their way into the playoffs, but they still made

669
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: a ton of outs on the base pass. They weren't

670
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: great defensively, their situational hitting was really poor. Runners in

671
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: scoring position, not very good hitting with runners in scoring position.

672
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Speaker 3: They didn't hit the ball out of the ballpark, and

673
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Speaker 3: so on. And I remember being really frustrated because I

674
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Speaker 3: had seen these trends start to emerge early on with

675
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Speaker 3: that group, and I expressed my doubt about their ability

676
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Speaker 3: on that show, and a lot of people got what

677
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 3: MO would describe as big mad at me for doing that.

678
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Speaker 3: But yes, there's one hundred and sixty two games that

679
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Speaker 3: they play. Six of them are already done. What you

680
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 3: learn about the team in the first six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

681
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: twelve games, the first two weeks of the season, you

682
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Speaker 3: start to learn about who they are. Because they're not

683
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: hitting in Arizona anymore. They're not facee minor league pitchers

684
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: in the desert anymore. You're getting rotations, you're getting scouting reports,

685
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: you're getting pitched too differently, you're getting adjusted to there's

686
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: ballpark factors. There's all sorts of stuff that changes the

687
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: way that teams approach you and attack you. There's more

688
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: film out there on you. There's more data out there

689
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: on you, there's more ways to attack you, and you

690
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: have to be able to adjust. And so the trends

691
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: that you see that start to emerge right now are

692
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: the ones that you got to figure out what they

693
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Speaker 3: are and how you nip them in the butt. Right now,

694
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Speaker 3: one of the biggest ones is that this team can't

695
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Speaker 3: hit with runners in scoring position.

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Speaker 4: They can't.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you the numbers on that at the top

698
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Speaker 3: of the hour. I'm also going to give you my grades.

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Speaker 3: I know it's early. I don't want to hear about

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Speaker 3: how it's early. I'm gonna tell you through six games.

701
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Speaker 3: Tomorrow marks one week of the season, and they're off tomorrow.

702
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Speaker 3: My grades on the starting rotation, on the bulletpen, on

703
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: the manager, on the defense, and so much more. I

704
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Speaker 3: want your grades as well. Five, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. How do you feel after a week of

706
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Speaker 3: watching this ball club? Do you feel like there's a

707
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Speaker 3: significant difference offensively? Were you expecting a significant difference offensively?

708
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Speaker 3: What exactly is going through your mind after watching the

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Speaker 3: Reds win three and lose three to start this season.

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Speaker 3: That's what I want to hear from you. The phone

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Speaker 3: number is five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: I'm Austin Elmore in for Moegar on the Moegar Show

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Speaker 3: right here on the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: Station ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hello, welcome in. It's the Moegar Show on ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. My name's Austin Elmore. I'm not Moegar. Moe

717
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Speaker 3: is out today. Mo undoubtedly out celebrating Rich Wallberg Day,

718
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Speaker 3: his good buddy, in memory of Rich.

719
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Speaker 2: Down at the Holy Grail.

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Speaker 3: They're raising some funds for CCM and the scholarship program

721
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Speaker 3: there and Rich's name from four to seven this afternoon

722
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Speaker 3: at the Holy Grail. Go check it out. You can

723
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Speaker 3: make a donation. There's shirts, there's koozies, there's wristbands, there's

724
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Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff down there. Be kind on Rich

725
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Speaker 3: Wallburg Day. I know that is a cause that is

726
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Speaker 3: near and dear to Moe's heart, and he is down

727
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Speaker 3: there as we speak and will be for the next

728
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Speaker 3: few hours. I'm sure a lot of people showing out

729
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Speaker 3: for Rich Wallberg Day. Unfortunately, the Reds could not provide

730
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Speaker 3: a win today. They lose to the Pittsburgh Pirates eight

731
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Speaker 3: to three, blew up in the ninth inning, and I've

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Speaker 3: been kind of watching. I've watched every inning of the

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Speaker 3: game so far, and I'm looking for something that that

734
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Speaker 3: gets me excited. I'm looking for something that makes me

735
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Speaker 3: feel Okay, the Reds have something here. The Reds are

736
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Speaker 3: heading in the right direction, and I'm thrilled with what

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Speaker 3: I've seen from salth Stuart. I don't think au Hanio

738
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: Suarez has been bad, but he's striking out a little bit,

739
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: but we expected that from him. He's also driven in

740
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: six runs with his home runs so far this season,

741
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Speaker 3: five from home runs and one other. Like the guys

742
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 3: that you expected to produce offensively for the most part,

743
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Speaker 3: have produced au Hanio Suarez, salth Stewart that sort of thing.

744
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: But I remember thinking back to conversations we had going

745
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Speaker 3: into this year that the Reds have talent, but they

746
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: have to put it together. They have to execute, They

747
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: have to show up every single day and be able

748
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Speaker 3: to execute and maximize the talent that they have. And

749
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Speaker 3: there was a lot of ifs about this team. If

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Speaker 3: Matt McClain returns to form, if Ellie de la Cruz

751
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 3: doesn't have to deal with the quad injury. If au

752
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 3: Haneo Suarez hits forty five homers, if Noel vi Marte

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Speaker 3: returns to form before the last two months of last season,

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Speaker 3: IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF. So far

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00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: through the first six games, Ellie de la Cruz is

756
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Speaker 3: hitting two O eight, au Haaneo Swarez two seventeen, TJ

757
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: Friedel oh ninety one, Key Brian Hayes OH sixty seven,

758
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Speaker 3: Tyler Stevenson O seventy seven, Spencer Steer O fifty nine.

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Speaker 2: Not good.

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00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: Matt McClain won ninety, Jose Travino won forty three. I

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00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: understand batting average is not the end all be all.

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Speaker 3: There are multiple players in double digits strikeouts. That would

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Speaker 3: be au Haaneo Suarez and Elie de la Cruz. They've

764
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Speaker 3: been horrible with runners in scoring position. They are not

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Speaker 3: offensively producing, they are not stringing hits together. So far,

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Speaker 3: in their first six games, they have scored seventeen runs.

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Speaker 3: Those seventeen runs, that's good for two point eight three

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Speaker 3: runs per game. In these six games, they have had

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Speaker 3: forty six at bats with runners in scoring position. They

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00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 3: have just seven hits in those forty six at bats.

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Speaker 3: That is a one fifty two average. Of the seventeen

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Speaker 3: runs that they have scored, five of them have been

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Speaker 3: via the au Haaneo Suarez home run. Five of them

774
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: have been via the Elie de la Cruz and Sal

775
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: Stewart home run. So ten of your seventeen runs scored

776
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Speaker 3: to this point have come from three players hitting home runs.

777
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Speaker 3: Hitting a six home runs and everybody wants more homers.

778
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Speaker 3: I want more homers. More homers is a good thing,

779
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. But what we've learned to this

780
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: point is that they cannot and have not shown the

781
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Speaker 3: ability to string together hits. I think they've been better

782
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Speaker 3: in the at bats that they've taken, I would assume,

783
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Speaker 3: and I haven't seen this number yet, and I don't

784
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: want to say something that that's not true, but just

785
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: the feeling I get in watching it is that their

786
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: walks are up. South Stewart would be a big part

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Speaker 3: of that.

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Speaker 2: TJ.

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Speaker 3: Friedl took a walk, key Brian Hayes has gotten on

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Speaker 3: base via the walk more than once. Like I do

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00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: think they're putting together better at bats. I think they're

792
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 3: battling more, but they aren't necessarily getting those results, and listen,

793
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: Boston is a pretty good team, and they've got some

794
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: pretty good young pitchers. And Pittsburgh is legitimate at the

795
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: top of their rotation with Skemes what you saw with

796
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: Ashcraft like that rotation is legit. Pittsburgh is never easy

797
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: and it has never been easy for the Reds to

798
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: play them. They're especially not easy with that pitching staff.

799
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Speaker 3: But here's something that you have to understand with the Reds.

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Speaker 3: And if you watch baseball outside of the Reds, and

801
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: I hope you do, because baseball is a beautiful sport

802
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: and there are some great players, and it's fun to

803
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: watch and see other teams and other approaches in different styles.

804
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: And the thing about this is great teams and great

805
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: players find ways to produce runs against good pitching. It

806
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: can't just be Ah, Paul Skeins is on the mound today.

807
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 3: We'll see you guys tomorrow. Because there's a lot of

808
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 3: really good pitchers in baseball. It can't be Ah, Garrett

809
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 3: Crochet's here, we're not scoring. It can't be that way.

810
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: I mean, if every team rolled over just because Andrew

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00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: Abbott or Hunter Green or Chase Burns took the mound,

812
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: great teams find a way to score off of good pitching.

813
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 3: That's a prerequisite to getting to where you want to go.

814
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: You think if the Reds make the playoffs, they're not

815
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: gonna face good pitching. What did you see when they

816
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: went to Los Angeles this year in the playoffs at

817
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: the end of last season, Blake Snell sho heyo Tani others.

818
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you're gonna have to figure out and learn

819
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: really quickly how to produce runs against good pitching staffs,

820
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: because you can't just rely on the Colorado Rockies or

821
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Speaker 3: the Chicago White Sox, or the Minnesota Twins or the

822
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Speaker 3: Saint Louis Cardinals to just throw a couple of Triple

823
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: A guys out there and you get your runs that way.

824
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Speaker 3: You have to learn and have to be better at

825
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Speaker 3: run production against high quality pitching. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: every time you face a guy like Paul Skeins you

827
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 3: got to score six runs. That's unrealistic, but you gotta

828
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Speaker 3: do better than one, right. You got to be able

829
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Speaker 3: to threaten, You got to be able to knock him

830
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Speaker 3: out of a game. You got to be able to

831
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Speaker 3: provide a challenge to these players. They didn't provide much

832
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: of a challenge at all to Garrett Crochet. Think of

833
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 3: the Reds first offensive ending of the season, they faced

834
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: four pitches four That was the plan, that was the strategy.

835
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: They were aggressive against Crochet early. It didn't work. I

836
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 3: thought they were okay against Paul Skeen's stay and Skeens

837
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Speaker 3: wasn't his best that's the other thing. And if you

838
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 3: heard Jeff Brantley on the broadcast, he was saying, you know,

839
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: great pitchers, when they don't have their best stuff, find

840
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: a way to overcome that and find a way to

841
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: pitch and get out. Skeens was less dominant with his

842
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: power today and really good at pitching. You got to

843
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: figure out how teams are trying to get you out.

844
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: And I'm not giving up on the Reds offensively, but

845
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: I've noticed through the first six games we've seen a

846
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Speaker 3: lot of what we saw last year with Tony and

847
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: I were told how to know. Tony talked about this

848
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: earlier today about the bunt by TJ. Freedo in last

849
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: night's game, Like in that moment, that's a stupid baseball play,

850
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Speaker 3: Like I get it.

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00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: Think of TJ.

852
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: Friedo like a great three point shooter, right, great three

853
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 3: point shooters have the green light. They can shoot it

854
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: whenever they want. Steph Curry can shoot whenever he wants.

855
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: TJ.

856
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: Freedo is the best bunter in Major League Baseball. There

857
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 3: are statistics and there are data to back that up.

858
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: He led the league in hits. He's done it more

859
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: than once with the bunt. He handles the bat well.

860
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: Last night, when Pittsburgh can't throw you a strike and

861
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: you got guys on and you have a chance to rally,

862
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: that's not the time to try to bunt a pitch

863
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Speaker 3: up at your wrists. But he did it anyways, to

864
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: the point where, if you watch the angle from behind

865
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: home plate, Jose Travino looked like he had no idea

866
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: that was coming. He takes an extra step off the base,

867
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: he gets doubled off a rally, gets killed. Stupid baseball.

868
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 3: And again I'm just looking for what are the signs

869
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: of who this team is going to be. Is it

870
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: gonna be where they have to rely on Auhanio Suarez

871
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: to hit a home run every single time? Or is

872
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: Matt McClain gonna look anything like he did two years

873
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: ago and like he did during spring training. Is TJ

874
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: Friedl deteriorating to the point defensively where he can't play

875
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: every day and he can't get on base every time

876
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: twice a game. That's the thing, right, TJ wants to

877
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: get on twice a game at Bat's probably not looking

878
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: that way at the moment, but maybe it's possible. Elie

879
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: de la Cruz. I mean, he's attempted one stolen base

880
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 3: this year. I fundamental disagreement with the way Terry Francona

881
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: handles stealing bases, but that's probably not going to change.

882
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 3: But again, I had this conversation a thousand times last year.

883
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: If you're offensively challenged, you got to find a way

884
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 3: to create chaos and put pressure on pitchers and find

885
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: a way to score against them, which might mean stealing

886
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: a base here and there. I don't think that the

887
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: Reds through six games is necessarily indicative of who they

888
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: are going to be over the next one hundred and

889
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: fifty four or one hundred and fifty. I'm not good

890
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 3: at math fifty six. Like, I'm not saying that's it.

891
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: But when you look at the Signs, it's a pretty

892
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: tough start offensively, and they haven't been able to get

893
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: past that. So let's look, let's let's get out some

894
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: grades to this point so far, I just gave you

895
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: the numbers. They're all not hitting the ball hardly at all.

896
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: They're not hitting the ball with runners in scoring position.

897
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: I would give their defense to this point an A

898
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: minus key. Brian Hayes has been really good. Ellie had

899
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 3: one flub up. They haven't been great. I mean, Spencer

900
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 3: Steer had a tough play today, But I would say

901
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: their defense has been solid. I'd give it an A minus. Hitting,

902
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: I would give it a C minus. The home runs

903
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: are nice. I think they're putting together good at bats.

904
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: I think they're drawing walks. I think that counts for

905
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: something and there's value in that. But they're not a

906
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 3: lot of extra base hits, not a lot of hitting

907
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: with runners in scoring position, not a lot of productive outs.

908
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 3: So for that reason, I'm gonna say that they are

909
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: at a C minus as far as hitting is concerned.

910
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 3: What grade would you give the starting rotation. Andrew Rabbitt

911
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: recovered nicely today after that rough first inning. I think

912
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 3: he's fine. I think he's going to be fine. Chase

913
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: Burns filthy, Reet Louder gotta be thrilled with what you

914
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 3: saw from him. Brady Singer battling through that blister thing.

915
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 3: I think he's been okay. Brandon Williamson, first time pitching

916
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 3: in two years, bit of a stinker. It might be

917
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: too early to give a legitimate grade to those guys,

918
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: All with one start, Abbott with two, but I give

919
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 3: him a B minus.

920
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: What about the bullpen? Oh boy? Not a group that

921
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: you have a lot of confidence in right.

922
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: Now, and a group that is trying to withstand the

923
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: storm of being without Nicolodolo, being without Hunter Green, being

924
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 3: without uh. Caleb Ferguson as well, who, by the way

925
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: through from ninety feet today is going to throw a

926
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: bullpen the next step of his rehab assignment. Bullpen's got

927
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: to be flirting with an F. Another horrible outing from

928
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: Pegan today. Connor Phillips can't throw strikes. Tony Santien's VLO

929
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: is down, but he's okay. I think Jose Franco was

930
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 3: pretty good in his major league debut. It's probably a

931
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: D minus for me abs challenges. I'll give him an

932
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 3: A minus. They've had two bad ones. Really, Baseball IQ,

933
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: the stuff like the the TJ. Friedle thing, c plus

934
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: B don't seem like maybe the smartest team. What grades

935
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 3: would you give this team to this point? Five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

936
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty will take a break, we come back. Hear

937
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 3: what Terry Francona had to say following the Reds loss

938
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: to the Pittsburgh Pirates today.

939
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,360
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00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: Already almost halfway through on the Moeggers Show here on

952
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty. Talking about the Reds is what grades

953
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 3: would you give them? Now that we're a week into

954
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 3: the season and they have not performed all that great offensively.

955
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 3: Three wins, three losses. They've been shut out already once

956
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: this season. They are now one and one in rubber matches.

957
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 3: They were eight and twelve in that statistic a year ago.

958
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 3: The series went over Boston, a series loss too, the

959
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Pirates earlier today, Your phone calls five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

960
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty, Your grades, your reaction to the Reds up

961
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: until this point in the season. Let's go out to

962
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: Green Township and talk to Eddie. What's up, Eddie?

963
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 6: Oh?

964
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 8: Now, a whole lot awesome. What's it called? The Austin

965
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 8: Elmore Show for today?

966
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: All right, all right, that's fine with me. Put my

967
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: name on it. Let's do it.

968
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 8: I think I don't think mo of mine, yeah, anywhere.

969
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 8: Instead of giving out grades for individual players like they

970
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 8: were you were doing, and Tony was doing earlier today

971
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 8: on the other show with Drew, I think we should

972
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 8: just go for a grade with the team overall as

973
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 8: of right now through six games. And that's a very

974
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 8: very very small sample size, but I'm leaying more toward

975
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 8: a B minus to a C plus. Beam on a

976
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 8: C plus, is it seems fair?

977
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 3: Would you agree that it seems a little generous. What's

978
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 3: the reasoning for your grade?

979
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 8: Well, I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to weigh it.

980
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 8: Weigh it out like is it more is it more

981
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 8: more bad or more good so far? And I'm thinking, well,

982
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 8: the offense is of right now is starting to it's

983
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 8: gotten a kind of thinking about last year's offense again,

984
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 8: which is not good.

985
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 4: And the bullpen.

986
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 8: I think the bullpen hasn't been very good so far

987
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 8: to sixtemes. It's not been as advertised as as I'm

988
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 8: trying to say.

989
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think, yeah, I think.

990
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 3: My thing is, if I'm determining where they're at right

991
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 3: now to this point, I would give it a little

992
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 3: probably like a C or a C minus. And I'm

993
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, is the way that they've won right

994
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 3: now sustainable? And if you think about it, the game

995
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 3: on Sunday, they needed a three run blast for Ayo

996
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 3: Hanio Suarez to do it. The game on Saturday when

997
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 3: they beat Boston that was they blew a leite in

998
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: the ninth inning and had to go to extras. After

999
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: blowing that lead in the game, they won against the

1000
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: Pirates to nothing on Monday. That was probably the cleanest

1001
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 3: overall win, and still they produced only two runs in

1002
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 3: that game, one of them came off of a sacrifice fly.

1003
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: So for that reason, I don't feel like it's all

1004
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 3: that sustainable. So I'm a little bit more pessimistic.

1005
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's why I like listening to you, because

1006
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 8: you tell it how it is. You do not sugarcoat anything.

1007
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 4: If it's good, you'll let them know it.

1008
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 8: If it's bad, you're gonna be honest and tell them

1009
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 8: how you feel.

1010
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: And I like that. That's how I am.

1011
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 8: But I'm concerned about the bullpen, mostly especially pugn I

1012
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 8: don't know what the heck happened to be gone on

1013
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 8: the effects of last season when he was used so

1014
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 8: much like Fancyon. But Pierce Johnson has not looked like

1015
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 8: the guy where he signed on the off season. Yeah,

1016
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 8: and right now, looking at this division, are the Reds

1017
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 8: better than the Cubs or the Milwaukee Brewers right now?

1018
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 8: I have to say no. And the Pirates, I think

1019
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 8: that might be a push right now. I mean it

1020
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 8: might be even down the middle with the all the

1021
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 8: off season movies the Pirates made, and the Reds gonna

1022
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 8: have a hard time winning series against the Pirates, and

1023
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 8: the hitting has just kind of gone cold. I know,

1024
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 8: South Stewart and Matt McLain were carrying the offense the

1025
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 8: first two games this season, but they cooled off and

1026
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 8: nobody else is hitting stilt really bad.

1027
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

1028
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: Like one of the one of the selling points was

1029
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: like they've got the depth offensively to be able to withstand. Okay,

1030
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: if if Ellie is cold for a week, then mcclan

1031
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: can pick him up. Or if McClain is not doing

1032
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: very well or Stuart's not doing very well, then maybe

1033
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: Marte will be able to pick him up.

1034
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 2: But we haven't really seen enough of that to.

1035
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 8: This point, right, and I feel like there has been

1036
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 8: a little more concerns than we were supposed to have

1037
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 8: this season. The offense they thought were gonna be better.

1038
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 8: You know, you're gonna get Matt McLean back. He's so

1039
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 8: see healthier this year two years moved.

1040
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 9: From a solar surgery.

1041
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 8: He signed Suarez. You know, Spencer stear is not gonna

1042
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 8: be playing with this heart shoulder like you did it

1043
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 8: last year with one shoulder.

1044
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 4: Yep.

1045
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 8: And they're getting some guys back, and Ellie's not gonna

1046
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 8: be playing with one quad and the offense so far

1047
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 8: has looked bad. I know they faced some good tissies,

1048
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 8: but you said that can't be an excuse.

1049
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 4: You have to find ways. Good teams, find ways.

1050
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 8: To be good teams and good pitching like Garrick Crochet

1051
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 8: and Paul Schemes today, and they're facing a heck of

1052
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 8: a lot more good pitchers the rest of the season,

1053
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 8: not just you know, these six games. But yeah, it's

1054
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 8: concerning the bulletin is concerning the starters sort of not

1055
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 8: going deep sometimes, having the bullpens cover a lot of hittings.

1056
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 8: That's concerning. And the hitting's not good right now, and

1057
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 8: you got automatic out and the number nine spot. You know,

1058
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 8: they might as well have the picture battings night which

1059
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 8: yesterday about it. But I'm sorry I have to keep

1060
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 8: saying that.

1061
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eddie, thank you for the phone call. I think

1062
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: there's an issue altogether. It's like there's like two or

1063
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: three automatic outs in the lineup right now, or at

1064
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: least it feels that way, and you're not going to

1065
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: go I guess the question is what are you more

1066
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: concerned about. Are you concerned about their ability to hit,

1067
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 3: or are you concerned about the bullpen right now. I'm

1068
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: a little bit more concerned about the bullpen just looks shaky.

1069
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 3: I don't really trust it hasn't been as dominant as

1070
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: I would have liked it to be.

1071
00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

1072
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: And they got some crazy good production and a lot

1073
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 3: of it from a lot of different guys over the

1074
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 3: course of last season. And there's still a long season

1075
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 3: to go. But that's the type of thing, a bad

1076
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: bullpen that can wreck a season. It can, and they've

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Speaker 3: invested money into this bullpen and a pretty decent chunk

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Speaker 3: of it, and it just hasn't been up to par

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Speaker 3: to this point, and that is concerning to me. Maybe

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Speaker 3: the most concerning thing through the first six games is

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Speaker 3: the fact that the bullpen hasn't performed at the level

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Speaker 3: that we wanted to perform, or that we need it

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Speaker 3: to perform if we expect this team to get back

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Speaker 3: to the postseason. And as far as Eddie's point about

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Speaker 3: the rest of the National League Central, I mean, Saint

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Speaker 3: Louis has been impressive offensively up until this point. Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't really buying as much of the hype about

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Speaker 3: them because I think offensively they are challenged and I

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Speaker 3: don't know how good they can they can go, but

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Speaker 3: they're pitching in the town and their pitching is undeniable.

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Speaker 3: They've got a solid bullpen, they've invested in that, that

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Speaker 3: starting rotation is good. They're gonna get Jared Jones back.

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Speaker 3: Like all those reasons, I could see the Reds the

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Speaker 3: Pirates being closer to what the Reds were a year ago.

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Speaker 3: Chicago has spent a lot of money on their bullpen

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Speaker 3: as well. They spend a lot of money on Alex Bregman,

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Speaker 3: Like they have a lot of talent in Milwaukee. They

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Speaker 3: just I mean, they play clean, they play fundamentally sound like,

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Speaker 3: they play smart, they play situationally like hitting the ball

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Speaker 3: and productive outs like they do all the little things

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Speaker 3: right to make up for maybe the lack of talent

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Speaker 3: or the lack of star power that they have. So

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Speaker 3: the division is not going to be easy. I think

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Speaker 3: top to bottom talent wise, the Reds are right there.

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Speaker 3: In that conversation, my stance has not changed on that

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Speaker 3: there's a difference between being a good team and being

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Speaker 3: a talented team. Got to be able to execute more

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Speaker 3: phone calls, and you'll hear from Terry Francona on ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, ESPN fifteen thirty on Austin Olmore in for

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Speaker 3: Mo Eggar. In case you missed it, Reds fell to

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Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Pirates earlier today eight to three. They dropped

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Speaker 3: the series with Pittsburgh and are three and three now

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Speaker 3: on the season, and Terry Francona was meeting with the

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Speaker 3: media after the game. Here's what the Red Skipper had

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Speaker 3: to say about today's loss.

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Speaker 10: I mean he left up hanging break the ball to

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Speaker 10: a guy that feels really good about himself right now,

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Speaker 10: and then he got into a rhythm like he can,

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Speaker 10: which is which is good. I mean he had I

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Speaker 10: think he had a seven pitch seven pitch, maybe a

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01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 10: six pitch in the second.

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Speaker 4: Third, fourth, which is a lot more like Abbott.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, with Skins on the mound, you hate

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Speaker 10: to give him anything early because you know you're gonna

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Speaker 10: fight for everything you can get.

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Speaker 6: That.

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Speaker 10: You know, the wild pitch was was was huge for us,

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Speaker 10: and you don't know how it's going to play out,

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01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 10: but if he takes that same swing, it's probably a

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Speaker 10: double play if we're back, but we can't play back

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Speaker 10: in that situation, and then it just got away.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry if you actually mentioned this before. I want

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Speaker 4: the still trouble of the loss.

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Speaker 2: That kind of prisconsequential worth at.

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Speaker 11: The home right.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's been a couple of times now where he's

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01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 10: come in and not found the strike zone right way.

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Speaker 10: And as he gets better at that, you'll see him

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Speaker 10: having a lot more success in pitching later in the

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Speaker 10: game because his tough is really good.

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Speaker 3: That is Terry Francona. He started by talking about Andrew Abbott.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Abbot after the game said he felt like he

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Speaker 3: only really made one bad pitch which was that hanging

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Speaker 3: breaking ball to O'Neil Cruz. He said it got tattooed.

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Speaker 3: Credit to Cruz, said he felt like he was ahead

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Speaker 3: of guys at the end, made him hit his pitches,

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Speaker 3: he was locating better and did a good job of

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Speaker 3: mixing and matching as the game win. I would agree

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Speaker 3: with Andrew's assessment of his own performance. He looked a

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Speaker 3: lot more like Andrew Abbot towards the end, and I

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Speaker 3: still feel pretty good about his prospects as the reds

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Speaker 3: Ace for the time being with the absence of Hunter

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Speaker 3: Green and Nicolodolo. We'll get an injury update on those

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Speaker 3: guys coming up in just a minute. But first, back

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Speaker 3: to the phone calls. Five three, seven, four nine, fifteen

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Speaker 3: thirty is the phone number. Let's go to Chuck in

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Speaker 3: New York. What's up, Chuck?

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Speaker 12: Hey?

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Speaker 8: Awesome?

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Speaker 13: I uh, I think uh, I think I owned David

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Speaker 13: Bell with apology. I was really hard on him. But

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Speaker 13: I mean some of these moves Frank Coda mags, I

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Speaker 13: mean it's very David Bell esque. I mean to uh

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Speaker 13: to bring in Connor Phillips with two runners on knowing

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Speaker 13: that he cut he has trouble throwing strikes coming out

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Speaker 13: of the gate, and then of course the Ashcraft who

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Speaker 13: does throw strikes, you put him in the next inning,

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Speaker 13: then you do then you only put into Elbie Marte

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Speaker 13: against lefties, even though we know he has reverse splits.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that part is confusing as hell to me, Chuck,

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why he keeps doing that with Marte,

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Speaker 3: Like there's there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he's

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Speaker 3: much better against right anders, and he keeps he keeps

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Speaker 3: like platooning him with Benson. It doesn't really make sense

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Speaker 3: to me.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I would have loved him. See I'm gonna line

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Speaker 13: up tonight, I mean, you know, maybe run one or something,

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Speaker 13: and then with is is anemic and offensively challenges his lineup?

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Speaker 13: Is why is he so timid for the running game?

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Speaker 13: I mean, you got Keith, I know Skeemes is great

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Speaker 13: at everything, but I mean TJ Friedl who can't even

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Speaker 13: get on the interstate right now with Batty average Why

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Speaker 13: it gets two free passes his first to a bats

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Speaker 13: and he don't even try to run.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ellie hasn't tried to run either, And that's like

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Speaker 3: a big part of his philosophy and Chuck, thank you

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Speaker 3: for the phone call, because a big part of his

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Speaker 3: philosophy is like not making outs on the base pass

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Speaker 3: and being smart on the bass pass and blah blah

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. Well, like, dude, you don't have the

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Speaker 3: offensive firepower to wait around. You got to force the issue.

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01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 3: You got to push the envelope a little bit. It

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Speaker 3: drove me nuts all last season. I'm hoping that there's

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Speaker 3: more of a philosophical shift than that this season. But

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Speaker 3: I don't get the feeling that there will be. And

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Speaker 3: you know, the other thing, especially if like there's decent

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Speaker 3: speed on this team. Marte has decent speed, Ellie obviously

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Speaker 3: has really good speed. Matt McLean's got fine speed. Spencer

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Speaker 3: Steer has stolen plenty of bases in his career. Like

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Speaker 3: it's there, you know, like you gotta tap into what

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Speaker 3: you do.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: I hope that that's something that Terry Francona has a

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Speaker 3: bit more of a open mind about. It's time for

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Speaker 3: today's O'Connor, a Chani and Levy Injury Report, brought to

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Speaker 3: you by O'Connor Ashani in Levy Attorneys. You know, attorneys

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Speaker 3: you trust. Visit Oal dash law dot com. We have

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Speaker 3: an update on Nick Lidolo. He left today to go

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Speaker 3: down to Daytona to meet with the Daytona Tortugas. He

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Speaker 3: will start a rehab assignment tomorrow in Daytona for the Tortugas.

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Speaker 3: He's scheduled to throw sixty to sixty five pitches in

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Speaker 3: that assignment. If it is successful, he could rejoin the

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Speaker 3: club for a start during the series in Miami, in

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Speaker 3: which the Reds are in Miami against the Marlins from

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Speaker 3: April sixth through the ninth. Meanwhile, left hander Caleb Ferguson

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Speaker 3: threw on flat ground from ninety feet today. He will

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Speaker 3: travel with the club on his first road trip. The

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Speaker 3: next phase in his rehab would be throwing a side

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Speaker 3: bullpen session. So that's the latest as far as the

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Speaker 3: Reds injury report goes. With uh the latest on those

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Speaker 3: two left handers, visit oal dash Law dot com. We'll

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Speaker 3: take a break, We'll come back. This is the Moagger

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Speaker 3: Show on ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Thirty, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 6: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center. When it comes

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Speaker 6: to your health, a big diagnosis can mean big decisions.

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Speaker 6: Get a second opinion. From experts. You can trust that

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Speaker 6: five southbound seventy five before Union Center Boulevard, right two

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Speaker 14: This report is sponsored by Credits, Brennaman and Jones on

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Speaker 14: baseball coming up in just a few minutes here on

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Speaker 14: the Moe Egger Show.

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Speaker 3: I wust to know more in for mo. But in

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Speaker 3: the meantime, let's get back to the phones. Let's go

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Speaker 3: to Mike in LA.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Mike, Hey, cowboy, how's it going? Not too bad? Partner,

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Speaker 2: what's on your mind?

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Speaker 9: I enjoyed your breakdown of the reps earlier, and then

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01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 9: the interview with Daner was really good. Learned I learned

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Speaker 9: a lot this so I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you deserve it.

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Speaker 8: H I don't know where to.

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Speaker 9: Start with the Reds, I mean, the catcher situation. We

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Speaker 9: knew that Stevenson wasn't going to do it get it

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Speaker 9: really done as a first line catcher before this year.

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Speaker 9: We knew it last year maybe the year before. And

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Speaker 9: Trevino is a nice backup with his veteran status and

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Speaker 9: what have you. But that's a problem because typically you

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01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 9: a lot of teams get some good power out of

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Speaker 9: the catcher and then the bullpen thing. And I don't

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Speaker 9: why do we all listen straighten Allen? Why do we

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Speaker 9: always talk about the bankals money that they have left

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Speaker 9: to spend.

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Speaker 11: But I may be wrong.

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Speaker 9: You guys may talk about the Reds with the money

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Speaker 9: they have to spend, but I don't remember us talking

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Speaker 9: much about how much money they got to spend to

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Speaker 9: like bring in a big time closure, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I remember we talked about the idea that

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Speaker 3: they should bring back erold As Chapman prior to last season.

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Speaker 3: They didn't end up doing that. They ended up giving

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Speaker 3: Amelia Pegan I think, a two year deal worth twenty

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Speaker 3: million dollars. For some reason, they went out and and uh,

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01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 3: they got Brock Burke and Caleb Ferguson and Pierce Johnson

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Speaker 3: from the Atlanta Braves. So like they did spend on

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Speaker 3: that position and what they felt like were upgrades from

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Speaker 3: Scott Barlow and Brent Souter and those types of guys,

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Speaker 3: but it just hasn't worked out up until this point.

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Speaker 9: Marlow was really not that bad. Yeah, it was kind

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Speaker 9: of the only real reliable guy they had down there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was a little surprised that there wasn't any interest

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Speaker 3: in him. I mean, I know he pitched in like

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01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty games last year, but it felt

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Speaker 3: like that, like you need a guy like that, And

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01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 3: I think what honestly, Mike, I think they missed like

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01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 3: the Nick Martinez versatility type of thing.

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Speaker 9: Oh boy, and Tampa is so happy to have them.

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01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 9: I listened to their sports talk and they are thrilled

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01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 9: to have Nick Martinez just for the same reason you

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Speaker 9: just said. And he's off to a good start for them.

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Speaker 9: And now we have to go on the road to

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01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 9: you know, everybody goes, oh, Miami, they're a joke. They're

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01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 9: a joke, all right. Five and one in first place

1302
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 9: in Texas is born two in second place. So this

1303
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 9: is not going to be an easy road trip at all.

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01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

1305
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 3: I mean, both those teams have played really good to

1306
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 3: start the season. Now, they the Marlins haven't necessarily had

1307
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,560
Speaker 3: the hardest schedule, playing the Chicago White Sox and all that,

1308
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 3: but still, I mean, the Reds went down to Miami

1309
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,799
Speaker 3: last year and did not play well in that stadium.

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 3: So we've talked about it a lot that first start,

1311
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 3: that first month of the season, and how you got

1312
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 3: to be able to overcome some of this stuff. There

1313
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 3: are winnable games and teams that you're going to be

1314
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 3: able to that you're going to be favored against, that

1315
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 3: you got to step up.

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Speaker 9: And well, why I got to ask you one last question.

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Speaker 9: What drives you crazier The Reds? Are the Bengals.

1318
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Speaker 4: The Reds?

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01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 2: The Reds? Yeah, yeah, okay, thanks Mike, I appreciate it.

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01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the Reds because of the

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01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 3: every single day you're dealing with something that they've done,

1322
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 3: and like it just it drives me nuts because there's

1323
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 3: just so many opportunities that I just feel like the

1324
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 3: Reds don't take full advantage of, you know what I mean,

1325
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 3: It drives me insane. We'll continue the Reds conversation at

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01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 3: the top of our number two because I do want to,

1327
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 3: you know, get to your phone calls. At Dave and

1328
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: Florida and John and and more about Terry Francona, And

1329
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's fair to question him, and

1330
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 3: I understand the basis of sports talk radio a lot

1331
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 3: of times in this town is being able to criticize

1332
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 3: into question and to second guests Terry Francona. And you know,

1333
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 3: the decisions with Noel vi Marte make me wonder about

1334
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 3: what the plan is for that position, especially when you've

1335
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 3: got a guy in Rhese Hines who hit two homers today,

1336
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 3: including a grand slam and a walk off home run

1337
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,759
Speaker 3: last night for Triple A Louisville. Defensively, he's an upgrade.

1338
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 3: He's got great speed and his bat provides a lot

1339
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 3: of power. And how long did they let it go

1340
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 3: where this offense isn't producing before they dip into Rhyese

1341
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 3: Hines or JJ Blade down in Triple A to try

1342
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 3: to pick this group up a little bit. I wonder

1343
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 3: how long it'll go. We'll take a break. Brenneman and

1344
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 3: Jones on baseball is coming up next. This is the

1345
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 3: Moegger Show right here on the home of the Bengals,

1346
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 3: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Spring is here.

1347
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 4: At edition ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in Final Hour.

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01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 3: Already two down on the Moeger Show here on ESPN

1350
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. I'm Austin know more in for Moegar coming

1351
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 3: up in just a little bit, talk a little bit more.

1352
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 3: Bengals is a big deal. Katie Blackburn's not talking at

1353
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 3: the NFL annual meetings, and the Bengals kind of unveiled

1354
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: to me what their plan is for the linebacking room

1355
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 3: and for fixing their defense. We'll get into that coming

1356
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 3: up a little bit later on, but the story of

1357
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 3: the day is once again the Reds. They dropped the

1358
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 3: series to the Pirates. They're three to three, getting set

1359
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 3: to go to Texas for a weekend series, the home

1360
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 3: opener for the Rangers on Friday. And there has been

1361
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 3: plenty of dark spots, I guess you could say offensively

1362
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 3: low lights offensively for this team through the first six games,

1363
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 3: but there have been, or there has been at least

1364
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 3: some bright spots, most notably au Haaneo Suarez, couple of

1365
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 3: big homers and has kept the team in the game

1366
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 3: and won a game for him against Boston on Sunday,

1367
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 3: and South Stewart I have a question about South Stewart

1368
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 3: that will get into in just a moment. But but first,

1369
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to pull a Moegger here and do what

1370
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 3: they say you're not supposed to do and start the

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01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 3: hour with a phone call and Dave and Florida has

1372
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 3: been waiting for over twenty three minutes, So I want

1373
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 3: to talk to Dave.

1374
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 2: Hello, Dave, what's on your mind?

1375
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 11: Hey, I thinks two days in a row. I'm coming

1376
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:15,799
Speaker 11: like Mike being a regular.

1377
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 2: This is big time, man. I appreciate it.

1378
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, you know. So when I look at teams

1379
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 11: struggle like they had, like the Reds do over a

1380
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 11: long period of time, you got to look at the

1381
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 11: common denominator here, and to me, it's Chris Balaka. I mean,

1382
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 11: I don't understand how a guy that's a career two

1383
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 11: thirty eight hitter becomes a hitting coach in Major League Baseball.

1384
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 11: That's like letting Jeff Blake be the offensive coordinator.

1385
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 4: I mean, well, I.

1386
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 3: Mean, most most hitting coaches in Major League Baseball were

1387
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 3: not very good. Big leaguers are never made it to

1388
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 3: the big leagues. I don't think that's necessarily a requirement.

1389
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 3: I mean, there are a lot of really good hitting

1390
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 3: teams with hitting coaches that either never made it to

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01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 3: the big leagues or hit worse than that. So I

1392
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 3: don't know that that's the right metric to go off of.

1393
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 11: Okay, well, but but if you look at I mean

1394
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 11: I look at like the guys, like, you know, I

1395
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 11: don't see Ellie making you.

1396
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 13: Know, a big, big jump.

1397
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 11: I see Steers kind of falling behind, you know, falling back. Sure,

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01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 11: you know it just and then and then you know,

1399
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 11: so I mean, when these guys are, you know, not

1400
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 11: moving up and improving, you got to look at the

1401
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 11: guy that's giving them the instruction to try to get

1402
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,759
Speaker 11: them better. And then the fact that we keep throwing

1403
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 11: key Brian Hayes out there every day to go over.

1404
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 4: I mean it just why, you know, why not let

1405
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 4: you know, play third.

1406
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 11: Base three days a week, you know, and then put

1407
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 11: him in at d H and you know, Okay, so

1408
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 11: you may suffer a little defensively, but you know this

1409
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 11: team struggles to score runs, and yeah, you've got you know,

1410
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 11: and and Tyler Stevenson's an automatic out now, you know,

1411
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 11: so you're playing with seven guys instead of.

1412
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you on the key Brian Hayes

1413
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: thing like, I think his role should be flipped and

1414
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 3: instead of him being the everyday third baseman and he's

1415
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 3: out there to play defense and be run prevention, I

1416
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 3: think he should be the one coming in late in

1417
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 3: games to try to play defense then instead of getting

1418
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 3: two or three at bats beforehand. Now, to his credit,

1419
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 3: he's hit the ball hard so far this season, he

1420
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 3: has drawn some walks. He's not been as bad maybe

1421
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 3: as we've seen in the past, at least in terms

1422
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 3: of working the counts. But I agree with you one

1423
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 3: hundred percent. I would put, you know, give Geno more

1424
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 3: chances in the field and take that risk defensively because

1425
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 3: of what you can do with the rest of the

1426
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 3: lineup and being able to put guys in that way.

1427
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

1428
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 3: And also, yeah, I mean like Spencer Steer kind of

1429
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 3: reminds me right now of Matt McClain a year ago,

1430
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 3: where it feels like there's no hope at the plate

1431
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 3: for him right now and McLain is certainly cooled off.

1432
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 3: I think it's it's the ability to adjust to the

1433
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 3: way teams are pitching you in the different information that

1434
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 3: you have. There's something about that process that needs to

1435
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 3: get better for the rets.

1436
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1437
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 11: And you know, and last thing I'll let you go

1438
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,560
Speaker 11: is you know kind of her king a lot is

1439
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 11: just full notion that you know, this analytics stuff in

1440
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 11: baseball and the guy can't hit left handed. You know,

1441
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 11: he's not good against left hands, but he hits right

1442
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 11: hand and better pitching. You know, it's just when you

1443
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 11: only get one, two or three at bats against the pitcher,

1444
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 11: your batting everything gonna be very good anyway. So I mean,

1445
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 11: like Greece, Heines, I mean Hines, is heins playing every

1446
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 11: day down in Triple A, Yeah, he is. He's got

1447
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 11: to be facing left handed hitters or left handed pitchers, right,

1448
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 11: So you know I think that that that's just that

1449
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 11: drives me nuts this whole Well, he can't hit left handers.

1450
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 9: Well, okay, he can't left hands because we only.

1451
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 13: Get in five at bats.

1452
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you, David. I've said the same thing.

1453
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 3: And thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it.

1454
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 3: Like it's hard to believe with the amount of technology

1455
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 3: in the data and all the stuff that they have

1456
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 3: now that there can't be a way, especially for left

1457
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 3: handed hitters, to improve hitting left handed pitching I don't

1458
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 3: understand it. I wish there was a better way to

1459
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 3: advance that metric. And you know the whole Noel Vie

1460
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 3: Marte and Will Benson thing and them kind of being

1461
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 3: a platoon. And Marte has these reverse splits where he's

1462
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 3: much better against right handers as a right handed hitter

1463
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 3: than he is against left handed pitchers as a right

1464
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 3: handed hitter, and that is flipped from what it generally is.

1465
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 3: And he's almost exclusively played against left handers so far

1466
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 3: this season. And I don't know if that's to give

1467
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 3: him more reps and to give him more opportunities and

1468
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 3: to see if he can flip those splits.

1469
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1470
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 3: But Will Benson, because the way the team is currently constructed,

1471
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 3: he is not going to get those opportunities against left handers,

1472
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 3: although maybe he should. And that's like the perfect example

1473
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 3: of why you would want Reese Hines. Well, if Marte

1474
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 3: can't hit against left handers, Reese Hines can Dane Myers?

1475
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 3: Can Can you move Steer or Friedo or somebody else

1476
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 3: to one of those corner outfield spots and put Dane

1477
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 3: Myers in the lineup, Like I'm almost close to asking

1478
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 3: for Dan Myers to start all three games in Texas

1479
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 3: over the weekend. That's just the way I'm kind of

1480
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,560
Speaker 3: feeling about I don't know, I don't know. It just

1481
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 3: feels like and then the key Brian Hayes thing like

1482
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 3: that's still one of the weirdest trades of all time.

1483
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 3: But the Reds are bullish that they feel like they

1484
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 3: can fix him offensively, and maybe they can, but I

1485
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 3: don't know that it's there, And I just wonder, like,

1486
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 3: what's the breaking point? At what point do the Reds

1487
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 3: begin to shift their philosophy or are they going to

1488
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 3: remain steadfast in it throughout the entire season, which is,

1489
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 3: you know, just push through and stick with the guys

1490
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 3: you got. I don't know, it's I was just saying

1491
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 3: during the break to somebody, like last year it was

1492
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 3: so like it was like nails on a chalkboard watching

1493
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 3: this offense every single night, and for months leading up

1494
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,600
Speaker 3: to this season, I was dreading it because I was

1495
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 3: so annoyed watching them scratch and fight and claw and

1496
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 3: just tried to score two runs a night for all

1497
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 3: one sixty two. It felt like last year, and they

1498
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 3: scored a bunch They had a bunch of games where

1499
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 3: they scored two or fewer runs, one or fewer runs,

1500
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 3: or no runs whatsoever. We've had a lot of those

1501
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 3: games already so far this season. One outburst and it

1502
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 3: was a six run game and extra innings on Saturday.

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01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 3: And part of that is why I dread watching them now,

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01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,879
Speaker 3: is just because you know it is gonna take everything

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01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 3: in them to scratch and claw and get some runs

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01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 3: across the plate. It's it's not a fun brand of

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01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 3: baseball to watch. A winning's fun. If you could turn

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01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 3: it into winning, that'd be great. But it feels like

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01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 3: they make it really hard on themselves. I have a

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01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 3: question about South Stewart. I'll ask it when we get back.

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Speaker 2: This report is Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Back to ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austine Moore. Quick update

1524
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 3: on the rest of the NL Central Today, Brewers beat

1525
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 3: the Rain. Milwaukee is five and one to start the season.

1526
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 3: The Cubs beat the Angels six to two. The Cubbies

1527
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 3: are three and three just like the Reds. The Reds

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01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 3: and Pirates also three and three each of those teams,

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01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 3: and the Cardinals and Mets are in the eleventh inning

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01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 3: right now in Saint Louis, tide at one to one.

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01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 3: We'll let you know if and what the conclusion to

1532
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 3: that game is. Saint Louis currently three and two on

1533
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 3: the season as well. I have a question about South Stewart,

1534
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 3: can and should the Reds lock down South Stewart for

1535
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 3: an extension right now. It's been happening a lot in

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01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 3: baseball over the last couple of days. It's become a

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01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 3: trend in recent years. Get your young players early extensions,

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01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 3: buy out those arbitration years, buy out those free agent years,

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01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 3: and lock them down at a reasonable rate for both sides,

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01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 3: where both sides are happy and build around them. This

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01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 3: is a type of move that would behoove a small

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01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 3: market team that doesn't want to spend money, kind of

1543
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 3: like the Reds. I mean, we've seen this with Milwaukee

1544
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 3: several times. Milwaukee just did it the other day. They

1545
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 3: have a shortstop, Cooper Pratt. He's twenty one years old.

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01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 3: He's playing in Double A right now, he's never been

1547
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 3: to the big leagues.

1548
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 2: He signed an.

1549
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 3: Eight year deal worth like eighty million dollars or something

1550
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 3: the other day, twenty one years old. And then you

1551
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 3: look that this isn't new. Milwaukee did this with Jackson

1552
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 3: Curio in twenty twenty three, an eight year deal eighty

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01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 3: two million dollars. Now it's got a max of one

1554
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 3: hundred and forty. That's before even step foot in the

1555
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 3: big leagues. Seattle did this with their short stop Colt Emerson.

1556
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 3: They locked him down to a new deal eight years,

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01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 3: ninety five million dollars with a max of one hundred

1558
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 3: and thirty. Milwaukee did this, as I mentioned, with Cooper Pratt,

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01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 3: with Jackson Curio. The White Sox did this a few

1560
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 3: years ago with Luis Robert six year, fifty million dollar deal.

1561
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 3: They also did it with Alloy jim Inez back in

1562
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 3: the day. This has become common practice to get those

1563
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 3: young players, sign them up, lock them down, save some money,

1564
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 3: and build around him. I mean, the lone bright spot

1565
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 3: so far this season, without a doubt, has been Sal Stewart.

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01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 3: So far this season, in nineteen at bats, he's got

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01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 3: nine hits. That's a four to seventy four average. He's

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01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 3: walked six times in these games, seven times in these

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01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 3: six games. That's an on base percentage altogether of a

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01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 3: six point fifteen. His OPS which is on base plus slugging,

1571
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 3: is one point five to six to two. Pretty damn good.

1572
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 3: Hit two homers, three runs batted in. The dude has

1573
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 3: done everything you want him to do. He's twenty two

1574
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 3: years old, he dropped a bunch of weight, he's got

1575
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 3: the ability to play first, he's got the ability to

1576
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 3: play third. And Terry Francona, by the way, did suggest

1577
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 3: that that could be something that comes back onto the

1578
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 3: plate of one Sal Stewart. I mean, if you look

1579
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 3: at the Reds, like the dudes that are signed long

1580
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,719
Speaker 3: term right now are key Brian Hayes and Hunter Green.

1581
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 3: Ellie's not and those contract negotiations seem to be going nowhere.

1582
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 3: Matt McClain not sure that you really want to invest

1583
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 3: him in an invest in him long term at this point,

1584
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 3: but they have had those conversations. Tyler Stevenson is not

1585
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,799
Speaker 3: here for the foreseeable future. I should say Jose Travino

1586
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 3: has two years left. He signed a three year deal,

1587
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 3: but he's not an everyday player. You got him a

1588
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 3: good value. Spencer Steer No. TJ Friedl No, like there's

1589
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 3: room to operate. It's not like there is an overwhelming

1590
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 3: amount of money tied up in other players in the future.

1591
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 3: And one of the big X factors when it comes

1592
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 3: to this is the agent Scott Boris. Scott Boris is

1593
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 3: the agent for Elie de la Cruz. He's really nipped

1594
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 3: in the bud. Any idea of extensions with the Reds

1595
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 3: for a client like Da la Cruz. You might remember

1596
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 3: Scott Boris was the agent for Matt McClain. Matt McClain

1597
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 3: fired him. Those extensions haven't gotten anywhere. Those extension talks

1598
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 3: with the Reds haven't gotten anywhere. The young man who

1599
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 3: signed with Milwaukee, Cooper Pratt, He's a Scott Boris client,

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01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 3: and he was able to get that deal done. Now,

1601
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 3: obviously it's a difference between a dude who's never played

1602
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 3: in Double A and a guy who's played twenty four

1603
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 3: games or whatever it is in the big leagues like

1604
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 3: Sal Stewart and is a little bit older, there's a

1605
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 3: little bit more proven, and it's going to cost you

1606
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 3: a little bit more than eight years and ninety five

1607
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 3: million dollars. But can Sal get an eight year deal

1608
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 3: for one hundred one hundred and fifteen maybe max at

1609
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty and revisit that down the road?

1610
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 3: And Sal was asked about it and said he would

1611
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 3: love to be here. He appreciates that the Reds are

1612
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 3: the team that took it chance on him. So I

1613
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 3: look at it and be like, this is something the

1614
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 3: red should be working on right now. Even when Ellie

1615
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 3: was coming up and McClain was coming up, the way

1616
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 3: that they hit, in the way that they approach hitting

1617
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 3: was not talked about as highly as the people talk

1618
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 3: about South Stewart him being such an advanced young hitter,

1619
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 3: and you can see it in his at bats now.

1620
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 3: He hit seven homers in his first twenty three games,

1621
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 3: that's the second most all time in Red's history, behind

1622
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 3: Aristid's Akeno. It doesn't take you very long to watch

1623
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 3: these two dudes in the plate, think back to the

1624
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 3: Aristids Akino experiment and what he did, and see that

1625
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 3: South Stewart is so much further along that Akeino was.

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01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:45,679
Speaker 4: Qno.

1627
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 2: Was never taken walks. He couldn't do that.

1628
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 3: Stuart is such an advanced hitter. I think the confidence,

1629
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 3: I think the way he carries himself, his coachability, the

1630
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 3: attitude that he brings every single day. Even for a

1631
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 3: really young player. He was unflappable being thrown into the

1632
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 3: middle of a playoff run last year. He possesses all

1633
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 3: the traits that you want to build around. You want

1634
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 3: to score some points with the organization, with the with

1635
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 3: the fan base. You want to score some points with

1636
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 3: the people within the organization. Start locking down South Stuart

1637
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 3: and do it right now. Makes a lot of sense

1638
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 3: to me. Good time for a quick phone call. Let's

1639
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:26,719
Speaker 3: go to John and Finley. What's up, John.

1640
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 11: Thoson, how are you?

1641
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 2: I'm good man, what's on your mind?

1642
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 4: Well?

1643
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 12: I think you kind of may have answered your own

1644
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 12: question with extending sal because I mean let's go back

1645
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 12: just a couple of years in that summer they brought

1646
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 12: up McLain. I mean, how do you think maybe after

1647
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 12: a month or two, everyone would have wanted to extend

1648
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,719
Speaker 12: him at that point in time, and thank thank.

1649
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 13: Goodness, we didn't.

1650
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point.

1651
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 4: But I but I and I love.

1652
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 12: Stuart and I think he's gonna be great. But in

1653
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 12: all honesty, with the way these baseball guys are, and

1654
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 12: you've been mentioned to Keno as well, you.

1655
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 11: Have no idea what the future is gonna look like.

1656
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 12: And I just at this point in time, I wouldn't

1657
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 12: even think about pretending him at this juncture.

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01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I get that, And John, thank you for

1659
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 3: the phone call. And you're right, that's the other side.

1660
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 3: That's the risk, right, is what if this guy doesn't

1661
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 3: pan out? And you could even use Hunter Green as

1662
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 3: a bit of an example. The Reds signed Hunter to

1663
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 3: a long term deal and he's dealt with injuries and

1664
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 3: hasn't been as available as you want him to be.

1665
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,719
Speaker 3: But also, it's not like it's a Joey Vado type

1666
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 3: contract where you're giving a guy thirty million dollars and

1667
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 3: he completely hamstrings your ability to build the rest of

1668
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 3: the roster. I also think the Reds are probably gonna

1669
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 3: want to wait and figure out what happens next year

1670
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 3: with the lockout and all that and how that's all

1671
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 3: figured out. And I think that's fair to ask them

1672
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 3: to do that. But the point of getting it done

1673
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:55,600
Speaker 3: early is that even if it goes south, you're not

1674
01:30:55,760 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 3: completely hamstringing your ability to build the team. And I

1675
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 3: think that's an important part of this whole thing. We'll

1676
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 3: take a break, we'll come back. This is ESPN fifteen.

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01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Thirty, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.

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Speaker 6: dot com. Abound two seventy five right lanes blocked from

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01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:35,479
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Speaker 6: seventy five After Sharon Road, there's an accident on the

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed it is well done, Tarren Bland. It is

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Speaker 3: the first of the months. Happy April. We got some

1690
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 3: spring showers, some stormy weather out there right now. I

1691
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,799
Speaker 3: told Tony Pike earlier. I got got by the tornado siren.

1692
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 3: I thought there was like, I thought I had to

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01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 3: take cover. Then I realized it was just the monthly test,

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01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 3: and I was like, why are we testing it at

1695
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 3: noon on a Wednesday when there's actually severe weather in

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01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 3: the area. But maybe it was an April Fool's Day

1697
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 3: joke on me. Apparently we're sending people to the moon

1698
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 3: tonight too. I'm kind of interested to see how that goes. Obviously,

1699
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 3: there's a lot going on in the world, and certainly

1700
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 3: with I'm a sucker for space. I love the nerd

1701
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 3: out on space and science and that whole sort of thing.

1702
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 3: So I'll be paying attention to the Artemis launch. Also

1703
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 3: be paying attention to what's going on at the NFL

1704
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 3: annual meetings. The Bengals, i feel like, revealed their plan,

1705
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 3: which is that they're not gonna address linebacker. They're just

1706
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 3: gonna put other guys on the defense and that's gonna

1707
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 3: help those guys be better at linebacker. Well, I figure

1708
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 3: let's go straight to the source. Let's go to Arizona.

1709
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 3: Let's talk to Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and

1710
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 3: the Growler podcast about what's going on with the Bengals.

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01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 3: When we come back, Paul joins us with the latest,

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Speaker 3: It's the Moweger Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm not Moegar,

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01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 3: I'm Austin Elmore. Mo is back tomorrow, but we have

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Speaker 3: a chance to talk to a regular on the Moeger show,

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Speaker 3: our guy Paul Junior from the Growler podcast and the

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Speaker 3: Athletic still in Arizona out covering the NFL annual meetings.

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Speaker 3: They're not the owners meetings, they're the annual meetings, but

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Speaker 3: they're actually the owners meetings. It's just a lot of meetings.

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Speaker 3: And Paul joins us now giving us a couple of minutes. Hi, Paul,

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Speaker 3: how are you.

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Speaker 7: I'm doing great Austin. Nobody likes anything more than meetings.

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01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 4: Right, and it's just you.

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01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 7: I kind of wish that, like Jerry Jones would stand

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01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 7: up at the end of everything for three days and

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01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 7: be like, couldn't this have been an email?

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Speaker 4: No, it's always a to do. It's quite the to do.

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01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 7: Tons of media out here, all the luminaries that you

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Speaker 7: might come to expect.

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Speaker 4: It's quite the NFL show, and I was happy to

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Speaker 4: be a small.

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Speaker 2: Part of it.

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Speaker 3: If you had to set the number the over under

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01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 3: on the amount of NFL owners slash team presidents that

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01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 3: have email on their phone, what would you put the

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01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 3: line at?

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Speaker 6: You know what?

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01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 4: Look, they made money. At some point they had an

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01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 4: assistant that installed it.

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Speaker 7: Okay, okay, you're gonna you're gonna need this, okay, uh,

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01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 7: and we're gonna have that in there in case I

1755
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:11,680
Speaker 7: need to.

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Speaker 4: Get to you directly.

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01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 3: So, Zach Taylor talked yesterday and didn't eat breakfast while

1758
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 3: he was talking.

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Speaker 2: Which is an unfortunate change from years gone by.

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Speaker 3: But what was Paul Daaner's biggest takeaway from the forty

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Speaker 3: or so minutes that you guys spent talking to to

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Speaker 3: the Bengals head coach.

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Speaker 7: You know, I think I every single takeaway I have

1764
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:39,879
Speaker 7: this off season goes back to what's your plan on defense?

1765
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 4: Like they have one you have one job.

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Speaker 7: It's the meme you have one job this offseason, right,

1767
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 7: like get this d So I I revert back to,

1768
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 7: you know, the latest reaction to what did or didn't happen?

1769
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 7: I guess uh in free agency and that was just

1770
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 7: sort of, Hey, we're here for Barrett Carter and Demetrius

1771
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Speaker 7: Knight junior.

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Speaker 9: This this is what we are going with.

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Speaker 4: This is our guys. We believe in who they started

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Speaker 4: to become the second half of the season. Ah, this

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Speaker 4: is who we have.

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Speaker 7: Shaka Hayward got a name drop in the first ten

1777
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 7: minutes yesterday, like this is it's Orrin Burke's this.

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Speaker 4: Is that these are our guys and where we are

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Speaker 4: going to.

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Speaker 7: They don't really have a choice. I think you felt

1781
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 7: like he was he was saying, we need a leap

1782
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 7: from these guys. These guys have to take a big jump.

1783
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 7: They could have spent onlinebacker. They basically chose to go

1784
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 7: the Jonathan Allen right in there in their mind was

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Speaker 7: kind of a choice that they made, But it was

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Speaker 7: one more double down on Carter.

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Speaker 4: And Knight at a position that Austin.

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Speaker 7: Here's the thing, like we can debate Knight in car

1789
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,719
Speaker 7: and whether the second half of the last season saw

1790
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Speaker 7: some improved play, what their career arc for a year

1791
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,719
Speaker 7: two realistically looks like there's.

1792
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Speaker 4: No depth behind them, right like, what if Barrett Carter

1793
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 4: gets hurt?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, there's nothing happening behind those guys even at

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01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,560
Speaker 7: this point because there was no veterans added. So I

1796
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 7: think that the state of that room and being like

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01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 7: this is what we are right now. They're not done,

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Speaker 7: but this is where we are right now certainly stood out.

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Speaker 3: Is it fair to say that their plan to help

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Speaker 3: those two players take a jump is but is signing

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Speaker 3: the other guys and making the other rooms better? So

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01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 3: the acquisition of Mafe, the acquisition of Cook, the acquisition

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01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 3: of Allen will end result make those two players better.

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Speaker 2: Is that basically the plan?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's about those around them. I absolutely

1806
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 7: I think having more ability.

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Speaker 4: All around those guys.

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Speaker 7: The comfort and the confidence that they felt like they

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01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 7: were starting to play, an understanding of the system, and

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01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 7: they felt like they saw those guys start to play

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Speaker 7: more like the actual real players that they were last year.

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Speaker 7: And if you have the mistakes not happening around them,

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Speaker 7: you have more leadership around them, You have less mistackles

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Speaker 7: that expose things that happen people that are cleaning up

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Speaker 7: messes that maybe they don't quite get all the way down. Yes,

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Speaker 7: And honestly, I think it's it kind of furthers the

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Speaker 7: philosophy of the entire offseason is that this entire defense

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Speaker 7: and all the pieces that really got exposed were exposed

1819
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Speaker 7: largely for two reasons lack of pass rush and mistackles,

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Speaker 7: and you know what they did, and trying to add

1821
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Speaker 7: and focusing on the defensive line and then focusing on

1822
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Speaker 7: Cook as the top things that they needed to do

1823
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Speaker 7: can go a long way to having it not be

1824
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Speaker 7: so obvious the issues that you're having at linebacker.

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Speaker 3: I also think that that idea will be applied to

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Speaker 3: the draft. Why would you change in the draft. And

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Speaker 3: you asked Zach the question yesterday about the idea of

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Speaker 3: bringing in another rookie linebacker into that room. I thought

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Speaker 3: that was an interesting question. What did you make of

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Speaker 3: of Zach's response where he said, I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: a big deal if we bring in another rookie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 7: I was a little surprised at how resolute he was

1834
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Speaker 7: in that, which it kind of screams like, no, that's

1835
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Speaker 7: that's what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Because because I think because I think.

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Speaker 7: You could hear I think you could certainly hear an

1838
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Speaker 7: answer that sounded more like, yeah, I mean, you don't

1839
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 7: want to put too much more on their plate because

1840
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 7: there was so much issue last year, but there can

1841
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Speaker 7: be certain types of guys.

1842
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Speaker 4: That was that was not the answer. I mean it

1843
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Speaker 4: was it was, that's not a problem that you they.

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Speaker 7: The We put those guys in early because we knew

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Speaker 7: they could handle everything the NFL throws at them, you know,

1846
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 7: terms of adversity and dealing with other players and being

1847
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Speaker 7: a leader and understanding the game and.

1848
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Speaker 4: Essentially, and I don't know that I buy that all

1849
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Speaker 4: the way.

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Speaker 7: I understand that's probably if you know that's the direction

1851
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:15,759
Speaker 7: you're gonna go, If you know there's a good chance

1852
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 7: a young linebackers coming into that room.

1853
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Speaker 4: You probably need to say that. I do think it.

1854
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 7: You know, why put more unease and uncertainty around those

1855
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 7: two guys were uneasy and uncertainty were the core of

1856
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 7: the problem for them last year. So I think that's

1857
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 7: probably in the back of their mind. But no, I mean,

1858
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 7: if you're if you're taking face value on what he said,

1859
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,679
Speaker 7: it certainly was one of those where they're very comfortable

1860
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Speaker 7: with just running back the concept of a rookie linebacker.

1861
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Speaker 4: Again.

1862
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Speaker 3: Uh, this is from a couple of weeks ago. And

1863
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 3: you may have answered this question with Mo already, and

1864
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 3: forgive me if you did. But I thinking about it

1865
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Speaker 3: as far as the depth of the defense is concerned.

1866
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Speaker 3: Why did they let Tyson Anderson go to Denver for

1867
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 3: one year? You're at a million dollars. I mean, I

1868
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 3: know I'm supposed to have answers for you here.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 7: It's like, I get it, it's small, it's it's a

1871
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Speaker 7: special teams guy. It's it's somebody who obviously they didn't

1872
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Speaker 7: think enough about defensively to even put in front of

1873
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 7: Geno's stones. I'm sure Tyson wouldn't mind the idea of

1874
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 7: a fresh start somewhere else, but the idea that you

1875
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 7: just willingly add another problem to your death chart. And

1876
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Speaker 7: a guy that everybody in the locker room loves is

1877
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 7: like a real leader type, a really solid dude, and

1878
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 7: a really good special teamer, right like that? That guy

1879
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 7: is the absolute definition of what you want your fourth

1880
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 7: safety to look like, like an Ace or a Maven

1881
01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 7: depending on the year and how you feel about Ace

1882
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:01,799
Speaker 7: and Maven's stad as a special teamer.

1883
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 4: But he's not one of those dudes.

1884
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 7: And you know he's gonna be great for your locker

1885
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 7: room and at one point five million dollars one one

1886
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 7: fiftieth of your salary.

1887
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Speaker 2: Tack, Yeah like.

1888
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Speaker 7: That, It just it doesn't make any sense to me.

1889
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Speaker 7: I don't really get it, so I don't. I'm gonna

1890
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 7: sit here and be like, hey, here's why.

1891
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,800
Speaker 4: I don't know why. And I don't think a lot

1892
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 4: of people know why.

1893
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have the answer to this

1894
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:33,600
Speaker 3: question either, And I don't even know if it's a

1895
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 3: fair question to be honest, but do you sense I

1896
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 3: think if I if I put myself in the shoes

1897
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 3: of Zach Taylor or in that particular example, Darren Simmons

1898
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 3: or and al golden shoes, I would find myself frustrated

1899
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:50,640
Speaker 3: with the way the personnel department has handled this offseason

1900
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 3: up until this point. Do you think there's any sense

1901
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 3: of disconnect or frustration that would start to mount if

1902
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 3: you know you're losing special teams Maven's, Tyson Anderson and

1903
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 3: you don't have the depth in the linebacker room and

1904
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 3: you're relying on rookies, do you sense that being a thing?

1905
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's some of that.

1906
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 7: I mean, I just think that's natural because this is

1907
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:18,560
Speaker 7: tale as old as time in the NFL, is personnel

1908
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 7: in front office versus coaches.

1909
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 4: Who's fault is it when things don't go wrong?

1910
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Speaker 7: I said I needed it, You didn't give me that.

1911
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 7: You gave me the wrong guy. We coach them up

1912
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 7: like it's this is the NFL. Every fight, it feels

1913
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 7: like in the offseason that happens. So yeah, I'm sure

1914
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 7: coaches are frustrated because coaches want to have all their guys.

1915
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Speaker 7: They want to have veterans, they want to know what

1916
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 7: they're getting, they want to have guys that they like,

1917
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 7: They want to have it all. So I'm yeah, and

1918
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Speaker 7: the Bengals didn't give them everything that they even said

1919
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 7: that they wanted out loud. So yeah, I think there's

1920
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 7: some frustration. I also think that there is a sense

1921
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 7: of Okay, here's what we've got. We still have a

1922
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 7: good team, let's start working this year's this year's And

1923
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 7: I think the other side of this is this there

1924
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:08,720
Speaker 7: was a theme, you know, talking to people around here

1925
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:13,120
Speaker 7: this week of just it's this is incomplete still, like

1926
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 7: not just the draft. I mean, I think some of

1927
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Speaker 7: the holes that you're looking at on this team's roster,

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Speaker 7: there're not a ton of starting spots sitting there, like

1929
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Speaker 7: true starting spots that are just sitting there right now.

1930
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Speaker 7: It's a lot of concern about depth and rotational pieces

1931
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Speaker 7: and things like that. And I think that they feel

1932
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 7: like you can look at what they did last year

1933
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Speaker 7: with Noah Fan and Dalton Reisner and play and what

1934
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Speaker 7: they've done in the past with like trading for a

1935
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 7: BJ Hill or to go the way back machine on

1936
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:44,679
Speaker 7: Reggie Nelson, right, like deals that you can make, things

1937
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 7: that you can do to try to supplement those types

1938
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Speaker 7: of spots when the season gets closer, and I think

1939
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,759
Speaker 7: there's a sense of they feel like they're gonna fill

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Speaker 7: some of these spots. Obviously in the draft, they can't

1941
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Speaker 7: pinpoint exactly what they are, and they don't think those

1942
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 7: free agents that are going out there are going anywhere,

1943
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Speaker 7: and there could also be a new round of guys

1944
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 7: that could be cut or acquired, and I think they

1945
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Speaker 7: look at that as let's hit pause right now.

1946
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Speaker 4: Okay, this is what we did.

1947
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 7: Let's get through the draft, and then let's see what

1948
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 7: feels likes really left and maybe and maybe see.

1949
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Speaker 4: Another wave come there. Now, well, is that gonna be significant.

1950
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 7: It's not gonna be the names that I know people

1951
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 7: are like, they're not gonna call Bobby Wagner.

1952
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Speaker 2: Okay, that the.

1953
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,720
Speaker 7: Ship has sailed, But I think a smaller guy if

1954
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 7: you think around the fan and the rise in their lines,

1955
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 7: I think you could see another decent wave of guys

1956
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 7: like that that maybe, hopefully in their mind, hopefully they

1957
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:45,560
Speaker 7: don't wait so long where it gets so close to

1958
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 7: the season that it hurts you early. But another wave

1959
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 7: of guys like that that can bring a little bit

1960
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 7: more comfort to some of the depth issues that we're

1961
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 7: gonna be talking through at really every level of the defense, specifically.

1962
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Speaker 3: Spending a couple more minutes year with Paul Danner Junior

1963
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 3: from The Athletic and the Growler podcast. Katie Blackburn normally

1964
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:09,680
Speaker 3: talks at the NFL meetings in Arizona. She is not

1965
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 3: talking this year.

1966
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Speaker 4: Do we know why?

1967
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Speaker 2: And is it a big deal that she's not talking?

1968
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they are sort of recalibrating their schedule of how

1969
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 7: they want to run out front office and ownership and Duke.

1970
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:30,639
Speaker 7: I think I think that's something they're in the process

1971
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 7: of figuring out, and I think they want to try

1972
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:36,920
Speaker 7: to move at least it seems certainly for this year

1973
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 7: they want.

1974
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:39,599
Speaker 4: To try to move Katie off of this spot.

1975
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 7: They said that she's it's not that she's not gonna talk,

1976
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 7: She's gonna talk in They said they expect her to

1977
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 7: talk to us. Those of us that came out, it

1978
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 7: was myself, Kelsey Conway, then Baby and then obviously which Hobson.

1979
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 7: Jeff Hobson was out here to talk to us in

1980
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 7: June as I make good and and that be maybe

1981
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 7: where her spot could be, don't I don't know the

1982
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 7: process of what that looks like long term for them.

1983
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 7: That's what kind of what they said to us. I mean,

1984
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 7: it's a break from tradition. You know, only only Arizona

1985
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:19,520
Speaker 7: here locally didn't have somebody from front office or ownership

1986
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 7: speak at the league meetings. It's just kind of what

1987
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 7: everybody sort of does. They can you know, we I've

1988
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 7: seen enough thirty one to one vote here Bodie to

1989
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:30,960
Speaker 7: know that they're gonna be go to the beat of

1990
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 7: their own drummer if they feel like it's where they

1991
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:33,640
Speaker 7: need to be.

1992
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Speaker 4: Uh So, it's it's that's what they're choosing to do.

1993
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:38,639
Speaker 7: I I don't you know if as long as she speaks,

1994
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 7: I think you know, that's really it just needs to

1995
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 7: as long as it happens sometime and we have an

1996
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 7: opportunity to ask the questions.

1997
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Speaker 4: That we can. I don't think it's a big deal.

1998
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 4: It's it. It kind of stinks for.

1999
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 7: For those of us that were that are out here

2000
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 7: because it's something that you want. But you know, it's not.

2001
01:47:58,560 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 4: About me, sir.

2002
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 3: It's not a well, you know, I don't know. I

2003
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:05,599
Speaker 3: would contest that maybe, but I get where you're coming from,

2004
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 3: and it is good to hear that she will at

2005
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 3: least or at least is planning on speaking a little

2006
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 3: bit later on. I think it would be funny if

2007
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 3: she showed up in her golf clothes and did it

2008
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 3: during OTAs like Trey Henderson last year.

2009
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 2: I think I would. I would appreciate that from Katie.

2010
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 2: It'd be a good sense of perfect would.

2011
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 7: Great tits, I would that would be That would be

2012
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 7: an all time It'd be a great way to start,

2013
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 7: you know, a new front tier.

2014
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Speaker 4: Yeah, in her, in her public image. I love it.

2015
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 4: I love it. I think you're onto something. Send that email,

2016
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 4: write a letter.

2017
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, last thing I want to talk to you about.

2018
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:40,720
Speaker 3: I had heard you and Jay talking on on the

2019
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 3: Growler about Joe Burrow and the flag football thing, and

2020
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 3: you said you guys would talk to Larry Fitzgerald, and

2021
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 3: Fitzgerald had some glowing things to say about Joe Burrow.

2022
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,599
Speaker 3: But what struck me is apparently Burrow was just laying

2023
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 3: out all these ideas to Roger Goodell about the growth

2024
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 3: of the game.

2025
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 7: What can you tell us about that? Yeah, so they

2026
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:03,839
Speaker 7: their launched this flag football league. They made that announcement

2027
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:05,880
Speaker 7: and they had a little press conference here and Larry

2028
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 7: Fitzgerald came over. He's a part of the core team

2029
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 7: of people behind it, and so he was around afterwards,

2030
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,560
Speaker 7: and he had been a part of the event that

2031
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:17,679
Speaker 7: Burrow was at, and I just kind of was curious

2032
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:20,679
Speaker 7: his impressions, and he was like, yeah, on the field stuff,

2033
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 7: He's like, yeah, you see exactly why that guy's at

2034
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 7: all pro and Heisman and super like you get here

2035
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 7: he is like it mattered to him. He was like

2036
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:30,640
Speaker 7: working after trying to work up plays and routes and

2037
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:34,080
Speaker 7: stuff like. But yeah, the crazy things happened in the background.

2038
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 7: He's like, it's it's me. We were at well, you know,

2039
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 7: one of the events there. He's like, it's me and

2040
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 7: Joe and Roger Goodell. And Joe has all of these

2041
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 7: ideas about how he thinks you can grow the game,

2042
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 7: the future of the game through flag football, big ideas

2043
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:51,720
Speaker 7: like really really really wanting to be an ambassador for

2044
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 7: the sport like a football through and has ideas about

2045
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 7: flag and obviously we are we all know how much

2046
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 7: he wants to be a part of the Olympics if

2047
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 7: he can do that, and that's He's made that very clear.

2048
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:05,639
Speaker 4: I just thought that was fast.

2049
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 7: Like he's just kind of in those circles and he's like,

2050
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 7: you know what, he's got ideas, he's got thoughts, like

2051
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 7: he's calculated in all of this stuff. And I think

2052
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 7: he loves the idea of being part of being an

2053
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 7: ambassador for the game of football generally, and.

2054
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 4: And found the flag element fun.

2055
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is cool. I heard you guys say that,

2056
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,439
Speaker 3: and I was pretty taken aback by that as well.

2057
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 3: I thought that could be important and something to monitor

2058
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 3: down the line. Paul, thank you so much for the time.

2059
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,679
Speaker 3: I know you're busy as a one armed ballpaper hanger

2060
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:39,360
Speaker 3: out there in Arizona. What are you working on? What

2061
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:41,640
Speaker 3: do you got coming up that people can be on

2062
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,520
Speaker 3: the lookout for on the Growler and the Athletic.

2063
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have a story up now on the sort

2064
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:49,839
Speaker 7: of what we heard about the state of the defense

2065
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 7: that you reference. I'll have something coming out tomorrow and

2066
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 7: sort of everything I heard on the week out here

2067
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:58,800
Speaker 7: at the league meeting, so that that'll be out tomorrow morning,

2068
01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 7: and then we're full in on all of our our draft.

2069
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 4: Stuff on the Growler and on all of our coverage.

2070
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 7: There'll be you know, there'll be mock drafts, There'll be

2071
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 7: deep dives, there'll be mock mock drafts. We're gonna do

2072
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:16,559
Speaker 7: trade back drafts. You know, we're we're gonna we're all,

2073
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 7: We're all in on it. I actually won one last

2074
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 7: hidbit is I was sitting down with Kevin Clark here,

2075
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 7: who's a big Miami Hurricanes guy, and you know from

2076
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,760
Speaker 7: ESPN who I'm I'm a big fan of and and

2077
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 7: we we've always been friendly over the years. And I said,

2078
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 7: are you just going around here spouting all your Miami

2079
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 7: prospects to all of these people, and and we came

2080
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:42,679
Speaker 7: up with, there's actually a perfect Kevin Clark Bengals mock

2081
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 7: draft that exists that is just all Miami Hurricanes players

2082
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 7: that actually works, including like the whiff on a six

2083
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:52,600
Speaker 7: round tight end that blew the National championship.

2084
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 4: Boy, then uh so, but so I might I might

2085
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 4: follow through on that and.

2086
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 7: Actually have that as well as part of it, because

2087
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 7: I might stamp right now for the Reuben Bayne Kant

2088
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:04,679
Speaker 7: SAH one two opener.

2089
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 2: I was about to say, sign me up for Keante Scott.

2090
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 2: I'm all in on that.

2091
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 3: Sounds good and then all of this obviously on the

2092
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 3: backdrop to the Ornberg's revival, which is certainly coming this fall.

2093
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:22,280
Speaker 4: Uh Shoka Hayward's profile lands on June tenth.

2094
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 2: Paul Daanner Junior, Thanks so much, man, appreciate it.

2095
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 3: Later body all right, Paul Daanner Junior from The Athletic

2096
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,559
Speaker 3: and the Growler podcast, Thanks so much, Paul.

2097
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 2: That does it for me.

2098
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 3: I've had fun this week filling in for mo a

2099
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 3: couple of times. I don't get to do that very often,

2100
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 3: but I'm glad I had the chance to do it

2101
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 3: this week. Thankfully. I'm sure you're saying. Moe returns tomorrow

2102
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 3: to his regularly scheduled programming. I'll be back on SINCY

2103
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 3: three sixty tomorrow from noon to three with Tony Pike.

2104
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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that, and that'll be our first normal

2105
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 3: show of the week. It's been a strange week, but

2106
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 3: looking forward to that. Listen to us tomorrow at noon.

2107
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Speaker 3: MO is back tomorrow. Thanks so much for listening. This

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Speaker 3: is the Home of the Bengals Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty