1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: It is the Jesse Kelly Show, another hour of The 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show on a Tuesday. 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: And I'm warning you now we're done with politics for 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: a for a bit. I don't know how long it's 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: gonna take me. This is not gonna be a multi 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: part series, So however long it takes me, it might 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: be a half hour. I doubt that might be an hour. 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: Hopefully it might be more. We're gonna go talk about 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: a very important part of history that may apply to 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 2: you and your family, something people don't know about, a 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 2: lot of people don't know about. We will get back 12 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: to politics when that's done, and we'll make fun of 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: dirty communists in Hollywood and this idiot woman police chief 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: in Cincinnati and get to other emails. But we get 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: emails all the time on this show, and funny one's 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: great ones, bad ones, insulting ones. It doesn't matter, right, 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: But we have had a lot. We have had a 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: lot of ones that touch us in what way or another, 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: and this is one of those ones. In fact, Chris, 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: if you don't mind, I should have told you this beforehand. 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: Email this guy and let him know we did it. 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: When we're done with it, I have the email right here. 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to you. Okay. So we got 24 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: this email a while back, and well I'll read it 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 2: for you. This was in August. Dear Jesse, I would 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: like to respectfully request that you consider doing a history 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: segment on the bridge over the River Quai. My grandfather 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: served in the British Army as part of the artillery 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: and was later captured by the Japanese. He spent over 30 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: three years as a prisoner of war, repeatedly forced to 31 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: rebuild the bridge after Allied bombings. The stories he shared 32 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: were both horrific and tragic, yet they also reflected extraordinary 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: resilience and courage in the face of imaginable hardship. Sadly, 34 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: about ten years ago, he took his own life following 35 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: the sudden loss of his son, my father, as the 36 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: combined weight of grief and his wartime memories became too 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: much to bear. I know your focus is primarily on 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: American history, but if you could share even a brief 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: mention of this chapter in history, it would mean a 40 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: great deal to me and my family. And says I 41 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: can say his name. I don't want to read his 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: whole name, but his name is Brandon so Brandon, if 43 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 2: you are listening now, we are about to tell this tale. 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: It doesn't just apply to Britain. This is in a 45 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: British story, an Australian story, a Dutch story, an American story, 46 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: an Asian story. But this is a very very ugly 47 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: part of history that a lot of people don't know. 48 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: How ugly is this part of history. I watched an 49 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: interview as I was just doing some research and cobbling 50 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 2: together some things so I could tell you this little tale. 51 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: I watched an interview with a very very very old man, 52 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: had to be pushing one hundred, so old, you know, 53 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: you could tell he was just hunched over or just 54 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: very old, very old. And he said the worst nightmare 55 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: he ever had about this time period was ten days ago. 56 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: I don't know when it was filmed, but it wasn't 57 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: that long ago. Ten days ago. He's got to be 58 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: pushing one hundred, wakes up drenched in sweat, night terror. 59 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: How traumatic does something have to be for you to 60 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: go through it when you're twenty and wake up with 61 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: a horrible nightmare eighty years later? How horrible? How traumatic 62 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: does something have to be? So let's talk about that something. 63 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: This is the story of the Railway of Death, the 64 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: Death Railway, the Burma Siam railway. And this is a 65 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: World War two tale about resilience, Japanese captivity, barbarism. It's 66 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: a tough tale, all right. Now, let's clarify a couple 67 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: of things right off the bat Burma where is that? 68 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: That doesn't exist anymore? Siam? Where is that? It doesn't 69 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: exist anymore? The modern day country of Thailand that was 70 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: known as Siam back in the day. All right, Siam. 71 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: So when I say Siam, we're talking Thailand. In fact, 72 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: just for ease of knowing this, of remembering this, I'm 73 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: probably just gonna refer to what is Thailand, so I 74 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: don't confuse people. What is Burma Myan mar, mianmar, depending 75 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: on how you pronounce it. It's a country right next 76 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: to Thailand. Now, I want to give you in case 77 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: you're driving not looking at a map. You're welcome to 78 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: look at a map. It'll help you as always, But 79 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: if you're driving, don't worry about it. I want to 80 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: give you an idea of where these places are on 81 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: the planet, because it's going to matter a lot for 82 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: our story. In fact, we have to do a lot 83 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: of background here, you know where Vietnam is, you can 84 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: at least identify roughly. Oh, that's Southeast Asia. Okay, So 85 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: you have in this big peninsula. There's a big peninsula 86 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: where Vietnam is on the total east side of it. 87 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: There is Cambodia in this place. There is Laos in 88 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: this place. There's Thailand in this place. There is Meanmar 89 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: in this place. This is where it's all taking place. Now, 90 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: what is happening? Okay. The Japanese Empire, the Japanese Empire 91 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: leading up to WW two, We've talked about it many times. 92 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: I'm not going to go into all of the background. 93 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: They were now a modern country. They had modernized. They 94 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:26,679 Speaker 2: were extremely militaristic, a country that really prioritized and valued 95 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: its military history. All that samurai busheto code stuff, really 96 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: cool history, to be honest with you. But they became 97 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: a country run by its military. That's a dangerous place 98 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: to be. Dudes, love the idea of that, at least briefly. 99 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: This is a very guy centric thing. The country run 100 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: by the military kind of sounds cool because we respect 101 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: the military. Oh sweet, it'll be tough, it'll be disciplined, 102 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: they'll have shiny boots. But you really don't ever want 103 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: your country run by the military because people generally You 104 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: ever heard the saying if the only tool you have 105 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You ever 106 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: heard that saying. It's a great saying. It's very true. 107 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: Whatever you've got in your tool belt, whatever your thing is, 108 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: you are going to look at everything as an opportunity 109 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: to use your thing to solve it. If you're a 110 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: great talker, you're extremely charismatic. No matter what the situation 111 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: is in business, maybe you're trying to chat up a 112 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: dime at the local park, trying to take her out 113 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: on a date, you're going to use your charm, your 114 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: words to try to win her over. If you're in 115 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: a bar and things start to get hairy, you probably 116 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: crack a joke, buy somebody a beer. It's what you 117 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: have in your tool belt. When you become a country 118 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: run by the military, everything is going to simply have 119 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: a military solution. Hey where Japan a pretty tough population, 120 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: pretty tough military. What we don't have is stuff. We 121 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: don't have resources. We need some. You know who has 122 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: a lot Mainland Asia, China, Thailand, Mayan, mar India. They're 123 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: gonna play a big role in this, or at least 124 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: the reason behind it. They have all kinds of stuff, 125 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: And it's weird when you study any point in history, 126 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: it's it's funny to me, at least, I've always found 127 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: it funny how often things come back to the same place. 128 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: You know, this is one of these things that's ancient. 129 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: This area is just rich in stuff, spices and rubber 130 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: and oil, that all the things people love, things people 131 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: need for various reasons. There's always going to be a war. 132 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: There always going to be a conflict there. Japan starts 133 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: to expand they invade China. You already know most to this. 134 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: They invade China, they start working their way through Asia. 135 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: That's Vietnam, that's Thailand. That Banmar heading to India. They're 136 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: taking Singapore. They want the stuff. Now, that works for 137 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: a while. The problem with Japan, the problem Japan was 138 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: going to run into, and they knew they were going 139 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: to run into it is supplying troops with the things 140 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: they need. The old saying we've repeated a thousand times 141 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: on the show. It's a saying from a marine. Amateurs 142 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: study tactics, professionals study logistics, is so true. It doesn't 143 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: matter how great your army is. You can have the shiniest, 144 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: most brand new rifles even today, drones and tanks and 145 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: planes and everything's good. You could have the best trained troop. 146 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: They're all Navy. You know what it means if they 147 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: can't eat and don't have any bullets, nothing, it means nothing. 148 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: They're gonna starve to death. The planes will never get 149 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: off the ground. It means nothing. You must supply your troops. 150 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: That is a difficult thing. When we're talking about islands 151 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 2: the Pacific Ocean. The Navy comes into play. Japan needed 152 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: a solution. We'll talk about that in a moment. 153 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic Tuesday. 154 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: Remember you can email us Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. 155 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: If you missed any part of the show, you can 156 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: download at iHeart, Spotify, iTunes. And we are doing history 157 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: right now on It's it's the Railway of Death, the 158 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: Burma Siam railway. And I need to clarify something before 159 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: I continue. Jewish producer Chris asked me during the break 160 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: the bridge over the River, Quhy was that something that 161 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: was real? Was it just the name of a movie? Okay, 162 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: so the movie, it's a very famous movie. The movie 163 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: came from a book. The book was a work of 164 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: fiction that had all kinds of reality in it. All right, 165 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 1: So they the author of the book took real stories 166 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: of the men who live through this, cobbled together a 167 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:25,119 Speaker 1: airfingers quote fictional novel, and then they made a fictional 168 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: movie over it. But there was a ridgerd river Kuhi, 169 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: and there was a bridge over it. I'm just telling 170 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: you now the real tale of what happened and what. 171 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: Gosh, so many thousands of people died during all right, 172 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: Now back to what we were discussing. Japan needs the resources. 173 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: Japan invades China. Japan starts storming through Asia and taking 174 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: things away, not just from America. Remember, they took the 175 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: Philippines from us. They're taking things away from the British. 176 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: And this is happening at a speed the Allied countries 177 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: were simply not prepared for. We had a military presence 178 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 2: in the Philippines. It was not enough. The Japanese simply 179 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: stormed in faster, more fierce than we were ready for. 180 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: They took the Philippines. They took a lot of prisoners. 181 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: We'll come back to that. The same thing is happening 182 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 2: in these other Asian places, many of them are controlled 183 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: by the British Empire, namely Singapore. Well, Singapore is a 184 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: big one. Remember Britain at this point in time controls 185 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: India as well. Now, Singapore was thought to be the 186 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: jewel of the British Empire, and it was thought to 187 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: be untakable, it's fortified. Surely that turned out to be 188 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: a complete joke. I have read many things from Brits 189 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: who were there, British soldiers who were there, and to 190 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: a man, they talk about how lame their training was, 191 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: how lame their equipment was. It just sounds to me 192 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: listening to these guys they were a very complacent British Empire, 193 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: not at all ready for an aggressive, well trained, fierce 194 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: Japanese force. Now, before we go any further in this, 195 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: I need to talk about the Japanese force itself and 196 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: their mentality. You already are aware. We've talked about it 197 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: many times. They saw themselves as samurai warriors, that is 198 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: how they saw themselves. Their officers carried samurai swords. They 199 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: had contests on how many heads you could chop off 200 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: of living prisoners with your samurai sword. They saw themselves 201 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: as samurai, so that was part of their culture. Military culture. 202 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: Now let's discuss their military training itself. I have read 203 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: and why testimony from Japanese soldiers at this time. They 204 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: were part of the Japanese military, and they talked about 205 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: wanting to kill themselves during their boot camp. That's how brutal. 206 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: It was. Brutal in a variety of ways. One of 207 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: the ways you read about this consistently over and over 208 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: and over again. With the Japanese military at this time, 209 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: they love to hit, hitting, slapping, punching, kicking. It's just 210 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: what they did. And I know that that's something that 211 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: occurs in militaries around the planet, occasionally here, occasionally there. 212 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: This is a daily occurrence at this point in time 213 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: in the Japanese military. If you have people above you, 214 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: they will slap you. They will hit you. It's not 215 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: just screaming at you and go do some pushups. They'll 216 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: kick you. They will hurt you physically. And it's not 217 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: limited by higher ups. If you are above anyone else 218 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: in ranks, in rank in the military, you will slap, kick, 219 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: and punch the people underneath you. It was it was 220 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: considered to be an important part of their military training. 221 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: You get slapped, you get kicked, you get punched, and 222 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: you in turn will slap, kick, and punch the people 223 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: underneath you. I'm not trying to make excuses, but i 224 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: am trying to drive home the point. Physically physically abusing 225 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: people you have power over was part of their culture. 226 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: It was woven into every part of their culture. They 227 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: believed in hitting, kicking, slapping, punching. It is what they did. 228 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: In fact, it's part of what sparked such a vicious 229 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: gorilla movement in the Philippines. The Japanese took the Philippines 230 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: from US, and there was all kinds of amazing Filipino resistance. 231 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: The Filipinos have something deep against getting slapped. No on 232 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: Mike's get slapped, but for them it was like a 233 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: mortal offense, and the Japanese were always slapping them. The 234 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: second you slap somebody, well, now he's going to join 235 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: the resistance and he's gonna shoot you next chance he gets. 236 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: That's kind of how it was. So that is part 237 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: of it. There's another part of it, the idea of surrendering, 238 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: of becoming a prisoner, and talk about that in a moment. 239 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Fantastic Tuesday, 240 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: stepping away from politics for. 241 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: A few to do a little history on the death 242 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: railway back to what we were discussing. This is post 243 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: w W two that we're discussing the conduct of the 244 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: Japanese military right now. And I was talking about their training, 245 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: how they hit each other, slap each other, kick each 246 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: other all the time. This is what they believe in. 247 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: There's another part of it, though they believed it was 248 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: part of their culture through all, a couple big parts 249 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: of it. First, they believed that a true warrior is 250 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: never taken prisoner. Ever, mothers instructed their sons to kill 251 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: themselves before being taken prisoner. Now, how culturally ingrained was this, 252 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: because remember we talk about it all the time. Nothing 253 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: is more powerful than culture in a society. It's way 254 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: more powerful than laws. What was the culture? So much 255 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: of Japan is rural, Like most places, rural is the majority, right, 256 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: small little villages, that's so much of Japan. Let's say 257 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: ab and I were Japanese in nineteen forty and let's 258 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: say our oldest son, James goes off to war for 259 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: the Japanese military, and he gets captured alive. He is 260 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: captured alive by the Allies. You would think that would 261 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: be a relief for aub and I to find out 262 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 2: he is alive. Well, praise God, he was not killed. 263 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: Praise God, he's alive. Let's hope he returns to us 264 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: one day safely. Nope, In fact, we would be in 265 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: physical danger in the village where we live. This is 266 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: a small village where everyone requires, everyone leans on each other. 267 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: You're buying this and that. I could very well tonight 268 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: in my Japanese village, leaving my work, I could very 269 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: well be jumped by the men in the village and 270 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: beaten to death or severely maimed because my son disgraced 271 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: the family by being captured alive. That happened to people 272 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: in Japan. That was the culture. That's how against being 273 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: captured alive was. Now that now combine that with the slapping, 274 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: the kicking, the punching with the final thing here, and 275 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 2: that's the feelings of racial superiority. I know that your 276 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: dirtball history professor taught you that white people are the 277 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: only ones who've ever been racist in history. They're the 278 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: only ones who've ever oppressed anyone else on the color 279 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: of their skin. But sadly, your history professor was a 280 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: dirtball America hating communist who doesn't know anything about history 281 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: at all. All peoples in history, from time to time 282 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: have felt their racially superior to other peoples. This happens 283 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: all the time. I know, well the Nazis. The Japanese 284 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: were just as racist as the Nazis. They not only 285 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 2: felt they were superior to all other Asian people, they 286 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 2: felt they were superior to all white people. And by 287 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: the way, the white people at this point in time 288 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 2: felt that they were far superior to the Japanese, referred 289 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: to them as gooks and monkeys and all kinds. This 290 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: was the world. It's how all peoples are, how all 291 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: peoples operated. The Japanese felt that people below them, the 292 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: Chinese especially, were rats, dogs. They referred to them as 293 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: these things. And like I said, they really felt they 294 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: were racially superior to the Caucasian, mainly Caucasian powers. They 295 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: were fighting Britain, Australia, America, the Dutch. These people, all right, 296 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: now that's the background on the culture. They start storming 297 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: through Asia, like I said, Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, India. The 298 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: Japanese are beating us up and they're taking away things. 299 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: They're taking Singapore, They're taking these things. At the same 300 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 2: time this is happening, something bad is happening to Japan. 301 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: Their naval superiority they had at the very beginning of 302 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 2: the war is starting to go away the Allies, not 303 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 2: just US, but a lot of it is us. The 304 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 2: Allies are building up their navies, building up their expertise, 305 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: and the Japanese navy, which was good but limited because 306 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 2: they couldn't replace the ships. The Japanese Navy was starting 307 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: to get pounded at sea. They were losing ground. Well, 308 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 2: I already said, look at the map Japan's and island. 309 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: You have all these troops in Thailand. You have these 310 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: troops in India. How are you getting them bombs and bullets? 311 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: How are you getting them medicine, clothes, food. I don't 312 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: care how Samurai they are. They have to eat, they 313 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: have to have something to shoot, they have to have 314 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: you see what I mean, You have to supply them. Well, 315 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: this is where they borrowed something an idea from the British. 316 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: The British had had an idea that they rightly dismissed, 317 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: which the credit to them for dismissing it. But they 318 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 2: had had an idea before, and the idea was, what 319 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 2: if we build a railroad? What if we build a railroad. 320 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: It's essentially three hundred miles or four hundred kilometers. I 321 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: don't know what exactly the conversion. I know they kept 322 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 2: saying four hundred kilometers. I didn't look it up. I'm 323 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 2: an American. I don't deal in kilometers. But it was 324 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: a four hundred kilometer railroad running essentially from Thailand, connecting 325 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 2: Thailand and Mianmar A railroad, a railroad that cuts directly 326 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 2: through some of the thickest, most hostile jungle on planet Earth. 327 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 2: Every disease, every poisonous snake, lions and tigers and bears, 328 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: oh my spiders, the size of your hand, if inhospitable, 329 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: doesn't describe this portion. In fact, to this day, much 330 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: of what we're discussing here is still not inhabited. There 331 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,239 Speaker 2: are villages here, in villages there. But even with the 332 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 2: modern technology we have today, even with modern medicine that 333 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: we have today, so much of this stuff is just 334 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: back to be in jungle. No one wants to live there. 335 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 2: I mean like I said, there are villages, there are 336 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: people around, but not a lot. Britain looks at the 337 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 2: project and this is what they came up with. They said, 338 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: if we try to build this railroad, this is before 339 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: World War two, if we try to build this railroad, 340 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: it's gonna take us five years. We think it's gonna 341 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: take us five years. They did kind of a cost 342 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: benefit analysis thing. And this is they were a very modern, 343 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: very sharp empire back in the day, and they said, 344 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: the juice is not worth the squeeze. Too many people 345 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 2: are going to die here. We can't. It's it's not 346 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: drop it, just drop the whole thing. So they dropped it. Japan, 347 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 2: facing trouble on the high Seas, steps up and says, 348 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: you know what, I like this British plan. But here's 349 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 2: the problem. This is already nineteen forty two. The war 350 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: is already just beginning to break against Japan. Japan doesn't 351 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: have five years. They can't have a five year plan. 352 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: It's not just that they need this railroad built. They 353 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: need this railroad built now. They need it completed, and 354 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: they need it completed quickly. Now here's why it gets 355 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: so ugly. Combine everything I already told you about the 356 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: brutality of the Japanese military and their culture and all that, 357 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 2: the racial superiority stuff, all that. Combine that with the 358 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: fact they're sitting on tens of thousands, honestly, over one 359 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 2: hundred thousand Allied prisoners of war. These people are in 360 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 2: their possession. Japan looks at them as lesser lower already 361 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: they think they're scummy because they got captured. So Japan says, well, 362 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: if we got to do it, and we got to 363 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 2: do it fast, We've got an army of slaves we 364 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 2: can use. We'll continue in a moment. It is the 365 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, wonderful Tuesday. You can 366 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: email the show Jesse at Jesse Kelly's in case you're 367 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: wondering if I'm going to wrap up this history story 368 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 2: in ten minutes. The answer to that question is most 369 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: definitely no. She's stretching on a little bit. I don't 370 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: know how deep it'll go in the next hour. We'll 371 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 2: get back to politics at some point, but we're telling 372 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: the story of the Allied POW's building the Railway of 373 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 2: death in WW two across some of the worst, most 374 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: inhospitable jungle on the planet. So that was the setup, 375 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: that was the why, that was the idea. Japan needs 376 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 2: a railroad. Japan needs a long railroad. They need it 377 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: built through the jungle where there is currently nothing. They 378 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: need it hacked through the jungle, and they don't have 379 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 2: five years. They need it fast because their troops are 380 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: going to start starving to death very very quickly. Now 381 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 2: let me explain. Let me explain what how you may 382 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: have found yourself if you were a brit if you 383 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 2: were in Aussie, if you were in American, if you 384 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 2: were the Dutch. This is how you may have found 385 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: yourself working in hell. Let's say let's say you were 386 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: in the navy, maybe the British Navy, maybe the American Navy. 387 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: Same story applies to both. I've heard plenty boom torpedo 388 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: slams into your the side of your ship at night. 389 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 2: Things are on fire, things are smoky. You are below 390 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: deck and the ship is in such bad shape. The 391 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: ship has lost power. You can't see, you are choking 392 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: on the smoke. You have to find a way to 393 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 2: get up on top of the ship so you can 394 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: get out because the ship is now disabled. And the 395 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 2: Japanese navy. They're shelling it so they can send it 396 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: to the bottom of the ocean. You manage, by the 397 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: grace of God, to get clear to the top of 398 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 2: the ship. You get out, You jump into the water. 399 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: You start to swim, lord willing, you find something that floats, 400 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: maybe a life jacket. You remember you are alone. You 401 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 2: are at night. It's at night. You're alone in the ocean. 402 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 2: God knows how many of your friends are now dead. 403 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: And you're watching the flashes as the Japanese military is 404 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 2: sending your ship to the bottom of the ocean. But wait, 405 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: I bet you thought it couldn't get worse. Oh, it 406 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: most definitely can. After the noise of the ship shelling 407 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: dies down, you begin to hear screams, the screams of men, 408 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: followed by gunfire. What's going on? The Japanese are now 409 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: in smaller boats, cruising around where the ship went down, 410 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: machine gunning the survivors in the water to ensure there 411 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 2: aren't any And you hear a Japanese boat approaching you. 412 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: By the way, this is some guy's true story. Otto Schwartz, 413 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: I think is his name. The Japanese boat begins to 414 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: approach you. You think you're about to die. You lay 415 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: your head to the side and play dead as they 416 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: pull up beside you, chattering in Japanese, poking you with 417 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: the stick to see if you're worth the bullets it 418 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: will take to machine gun you. By the grace of God, 419 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: well maybe they decide not to. They decide you're already dead, 420 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: and they motor off to machine gun more of your friends. 421 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: You start swimming. You are exhausted, you are frightened, you're thirsty, 422 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: you're hungry, and you eventually find your way onto the shore. 423 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: But you see, the Japanese are taking all these territories. 424 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: Because you've swam to the shore doesn't mean you're out 425 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: of the woods. You have jumped right out of the 426 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: frying pan and right into the fire. Andese are already 427 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: on the beach with some of your friends. They decided 428 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: not to machine gun, and they immediately hold you at 429 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: gunpoint and start beating on you for fun. Then then 430 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: they decide, well, we have a railroad to build. We've 431 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: got another slave here, let's get him to where we 432 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: need him to go. Where are they going to send you? First? 433 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: They're going to send you to something known to history 434 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: now as a hell ship, a hell ship. What was 435 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: a hell ship. Japan did not use their finest ships, 436 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: as you can imagine. They took the odious old oldius, 437 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: the oldest, rustiest, crappiest ships they could find that had 438 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 2: big steel holds in them, and they would take allied 439 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: prisoners and drop them down into the bottom. Keep in 440 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: mind it's one hundred and ten degrees outside when they 441 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: dropped you into the bottom half. The men have dysentery. 442 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: There's hardly any water they lower down, and there are 443 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: no bathroom facilities to speak of. There's not enough room 444 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: to sit down. The stories you will read, if you 445 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: ever choose to do so, about the hell ships, it 446 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: boggles the mind. Men would regularly lose their minds. Your 447 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: mind would just simply shatter. This happened all the time. 448 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: Occasionally they'll open up the hatch and act like they're 449 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: going to allow you up, and occasionally they would allow 450 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 2: one or two up. Sometimes it was just a tease, though, 451 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: or sometimes they would they would find pleasure and throwing 452 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: garbage down on you, peeing on you down below. It's 453 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: awful on your hell ship. You eventually get to your 454 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: next spot, you get out, You breathe free air, You 455 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: think to yourself, I'm finally home free. Granted, you're sick 456 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: as a dog, dehydrated beyond belief, and your drained, and 457 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 2: so were your friends. But the Japanese are not going 458 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: to waste fuel or anything like that getting you where 459 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: you need to go. Not quite yet, start marching. You're sick, 460 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: you're dehydrated, You and your friends, Yes this is If 461 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: this sounds like the Batan death March, that wasn't the 462 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: only time this happened. You and everyone you know. You're 463 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: being marched to a prison camp. It's not five miles away, 464 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: it's one hundred miles away, and it's one hundred and 465 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: five degrees outside. When your friends fall to the wayside 466 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: and can't get up, the Japanese will bayonet them, shoot them, 467 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: cut their heads off. The Japanese if they're driving by 468 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 2: in trucks and you happen to stumble in front of 469 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: the truck, they'll simply drive over you and laugh. They'll 470 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: walk by you and slap you in the face as 471 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 2: hard as they can. Maybe they'll hit you in the 472 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: back with your butt stock. They're one of their favorite 473 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: things to do was they cut off three to four 474 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 2: foot bamboo sticks and hit you every chance they could. 475 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: You are struggling to survive. Eventually you find your way 476 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: to a prison camp, but it's big and it's just 477 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: there to get you ready to go to the next place. 478 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: You see, they're trying to get you into the jungle. 479 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 2: We'll continue there in just a moment.