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Speaker 1: Here's more. Mark Simone on seven to ten. Wo R. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's talk to La Dean himself. Ed Rollins, who's run

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Speaker 1: more campaigns, more successful campaigns than anyone that in more

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Speaker 1: White houses, knows everything about this stuff. Ed Rollins, How

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Speaker 1: you doing good?

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Speaker 2: Mark? How are you doing this morning?

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Speaker 1: Very good? Can you believe it's talking about government shutdown again?

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Speaker 1: Why did this happen?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, you only had a couple of boat

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Speaker 2: margins in the House and Senate. Anything can happen. And

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Speaker 2: I think to a certain extent, Democrats is going to

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Speaker 2: take any issue they can to embarrass the president. I

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Speaker 2: think to a certain extent they need to resolve this

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Speaker 2: and resolve this quick. If you go through another couple

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Speaker 2: weeks of of shutdown, it looks like the president doesn't

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Speaker 2: know what he's doing. Doesn't know Look, and he's now

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Speaker 2: in a position where he's got to be pretty much

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Speaker 2: perfect in everything he does. From the forestable future. Wow.

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Speaker 2: One of the concerns I had as they went to Hyowa,

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Speaker 2: they and they had a small crowd, seven other people,

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Speaker 2: and he's got all he was supposed to message about

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Speaker 2: the economy and how good things are. And you know,

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Speaker 2: he always gets distracted. He needs a script in his head,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily script on a teleprompter. But this is what

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about. I'm not gonna talk about Icet.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about Ukraine's not going to

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Speaker 2: public and all the things that we have done and

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Speaker 2: want to hear. He does that, and these trips are worthwhile.

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't do this, he's a small crowd to

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Speaker 2: It's not it's not a productive use of his time.

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Speaker 1: You know, all the economic numbers are up. Everything's been

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Speaker 1: inflating down. You know, the economic stuff is great. He's

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Speaker 1: such a great salesman. Why is he so bad on messaging.

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Speaker 2: This Well, I think to a certain extent, he he's

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Speaker 2: the press. He likes to taunt them to get them

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Speaker 2: What they care about right now is they're still not

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Speaker 2: And he's got a few months to get the yea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, you can think about this very

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Speaker 2: He when he gets in troubles, these short interviews where

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Speaker 2: No president has accumulated as much power as he has.

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Speaker 2: Nixon tried, as Lennon Johnson tried. But he's done it.

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Speaker 2: I think to a certain extenting now needs to use it.

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Speaker 1: But I remember reading that Reagan like to watch sitcoms

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but Reagan, as you say, was a movie star.

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Speaker 1: He was a happy guy. But when you're a billionaire

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Speaker 2: He needs to do it all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, great stuff, great analysis, Ed Rollins, thanks for being

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