1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Hey, very delightful, good evening to you, and welcome out 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: to the Budweiser reds Hodstove League presented by UDF. We 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: are live at the bet MGM Sportsbook inside Tom's Watch 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Bar at the Banks, and we've got a pretty big 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: crowd assembled here to uh hear what Colin Cowgill has 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: to say Reds first base coach, based running coach, outfield coach. 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: He's on with us today. 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: We're also gonna have Mark Sheldon checking in redsbeatwriter for 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: MLB dot Com. He will check in from the Winter meetings. 10 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Emiliopagon will join us a little bit later on with 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Jim Day. I'm Tommy Graw. It's great to be with 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: you as we talk Red's Baseball for the next hour. Jimmy, 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people want to talk about 14 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: the news of the week, and that was the fact that, 15 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: of course everybody in Red's country hoping Kyle Schwarber would 16 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: return home and suit up in a Red uniform this year, 17 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: only for him to re sign with the Phillies. 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: Really not surprising for me. 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 4: I mean I said it on the record all along, 20 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 4: I thought it was going back to Philadelphia. As you know, 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 4: let's slide from the big city. 22 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: It's free agency. 23 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 4: Good for him, it was the last big contract for 24 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 4: him perhaps, and you gotta move on now, you gotta 25 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 4: beat him right. 26 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Well, we will talk more about that a little bit 27 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: later on. We'll get Mark Sheldon's thoughts about it as well. 28 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: But first, let's welcome in Colin cal Gill CEC. Thanks 29 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. You just took part in 30 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: a Q and A here at Tom's watch Bar and 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: the bet MGM sportsbook. But you know, for you last season, 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean, a new manager. We kind of talked about 33 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: that a little bit ago, but a new manager that 34 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: the base running certainly something that this team is capable 35 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: of doing and doing very well. It seems like they 36 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: got a little bit more efficient last year. 37 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: Definitely more efficient. It was good. Well boy, feedback, Yep, 38 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: it feels good. Take care of that. 39 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, feels good in the ear drums wakes you up 40 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: a little bit. 41 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, And we did talk about it earlier 42 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 5: and it was challenging, you know, going from one manager 43 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 5: who has a style of aggression to another manager who 44 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 5: just isn't as aggressive of a mindset, especially on the 45 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 5: basis and and Tito's one that just doesn't like to 46 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 5: make outs on bases on the basis and. 47 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: And and I can I can totally agree with that. 48 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: It's it's it makes sense to me. 49 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 5: I think the what we were talked about earlier was 50 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 5: was just trying to find the balance of of not 51 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 5: being overly aggressive where we make costly mistakes, but being 52 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 5: aggressive enough to where, you know, sometimes it might open 53 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 5: up a hole for us, or it might get us 54 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: a few more fastballs, or it might affect the game 55 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 5: in some way that you know, we could take advantage 56 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 5: of some of our better athletes, the skills that they 57 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 5: that they possess, their instincts, all those things. 58 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 3: So, you know, going from one. 59 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 5: Manager to another is definitely challenging with their different styles 60 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 5: and belief systems. But uh, the one thing that you 61 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 5: can count on with Tito is that that that man 62 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 5: wants to win the game. 63 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: However that that may look like. 64 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 5: There was times when he'd come down to the end 65 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 5: of dugout and like, hey man, we gotta go, and 66 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 5: I'd be like, finally, you know, let's go. But there'd 67 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 5: also be times like, hey man, let's be a little 68 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 5: bit more conservative here. 69 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: You know, there was a real life example. 70 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 5: We were in Colorado and we're facing a I can't 71 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 5: remember his name, Tyler Kinley I think slowed the plate, 72 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 5: gave up a lot of stolen bases. I think it 73 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 5: was Freedom or Frehley was on and Tito was giving 74 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 5: me the red light. And this was early, early on 75 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 5: in the season, and I came back out and I 76 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 5: was like, Hey, Tito, what what's up? 77 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: Man? 78 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: Like why we would have second and third? 79 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 5: And say, well, they would have just walked Ellie, you know, 80 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 5: And like now we got bassis loaded with Ellie not 81 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 5: having a chance to hit in a lesser matchup with 82 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 5: a right handed hitter behind him, Like all right, well 83 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 5: that makes a little bit more sense to me, you know. 84 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 5: But that's an early moment where we're trying to feel 85 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 5: each other out, understanding the relationship how he thinks, where 86 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 5: in the previous it was like, Hey, we're gonna go 87 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 5: because we're gonna be safe, and then whatever happens after 88 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 5: that happens. We might have a two pointer on a single, 89 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 5: But the way he thinks about and looks at the 90 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 5: game and the running game is just a little bit 91 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 5: different and was a learning process. But now I feel 92 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 5: like I got a pretty decent handle on it. 93 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 4: The times that he did say go, gave you the 94 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: green light, where those times where the club was going 95 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 4: through maybe a stretch of offensive struggles. You had a 96 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 4: ton of games where you scored less than two runs 97 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: where maybe you need to manufacture some runs. Where those 98 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: the times and do you think we could see more 99 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 4: of that? 100 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: Maybe? Just it's Tito. I get his. 101 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 4: Philosophy, but you just pushed the envelope just a little 102 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: bit more. 103 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's right, and it was time, and it's 104 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 5: it's challenging and in that aspect too, because if you're 105 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 5: down two runs and then you get thrown out with 106 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 5: your only opportunity that with somebody on base, you know, 107 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 5: like you're kind of you're kind of cutting off. 108 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 3: Your legs there too. 109 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 5: So it's it's definitely we need to be right when 110 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 5: we make the decision to go, and that needs to 111 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 5: be right, and that needs to be moving the needle 112 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 5: for us. 113 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: To win that game or score that run. 114 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 5: So I think moving forward with him, yes, I think 115 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 5: to answer your question, yes, I think we will be 116 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 5: more aggressive, especially having one year under his you know, 117 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 5: his regime, the way he thinks and feels our players 118 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 5: understand the way he thinks and feels. Because there was 119 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 5: a bit of a lull kind of the middle of 120 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 5: the season where we were very very passive. I would 121 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 5: I would, I would say, uh, and then we kind 122 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 5: of picked it back up towards the latter part of 123 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 5: the season. So having known knowing what Tito wants, knowing 124 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 5: our players knowing what Tito wants, I think you can 125 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 5: probably see us, you know, being a bit more aggressive 126 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 5: and when the offense is struggling the way it does, Yes, 127 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 5: like we're gonna need to to make something happen. Hit 128 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 5: and run a little bit more st doe attle bit 129 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 5: more bases, you know, score some more runs. 130 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: Juse the offense. 131 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: We obviously all know that Ellie is an elite base runner. 132 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: He's electric, especially when he's healthy. Who's somebody that kind 133 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: of flies under the radar a little bit as far 134 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: as base running goes, and their ability to maybe surprise 135 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: you with a stolen bag here and there. 136 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think we saw like a glimpse of 137 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 5: sal Stewart, you know, towards the end of it, with 138 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 5: a little bit you know of of his uh, but 139 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: he's just you know, he's he's exciting. Uh, he's an 140 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 5: excitable person. We're gonna have to tame that a little bit. 141 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 5: But but he's really instinctive. He's a guy that sees 142 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 5: something in a picture and takes advantage of that. Spencer 143 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 5: Steer is one of the better bolt steel players in 144 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 5: the league. He's not the fastest guy, but he is 145 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 5: just an opportunistic base runner. 146 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 3: And then Noelvie. 147 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 5: You look at a guy like Noelvie who is a 148 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 5: big human being. He's probably two hundred and thirty pounds, 149 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 5: but he runs really, really well, and he's also a 150 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 5: really really smart based runner. He has some techniques that 151 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 5: he likes to use, and he's sneaky. So I think, 152 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 5: you know, with him, as long as he stays in shape, 153 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 5: stays healthy. Spencer two, I think we got some guys 154 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 5: that are gonna, you know, get back to running bases 155 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 5: the way where we know we can run bases. 156 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 4: How much of a challenge was it for you in 157 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 4: that Ellie at times with his injury, and there was 158 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 4: a lot of you know, he was injured more than 159 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 4: was led on that he was a ferrari that wasn't 160 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 4: working on all cylinders at times, where you had to 161 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 4: hold him back because I know he goes to first 162 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 4: base and the first thing he says to you is Poppy, 163 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 4: I'm going to score. 164 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: So you had to hold him back. 165 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 6: How much of a challenge was that? 166 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, most of the time I just 167 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 5: felt bad for him, because, like, he wants to go, 168 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 5: and I'm like, hey, man, like, we. 169 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: Can't risk you. You're probably gonna be safe. But if you. 170 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 5: Set yourself back to three more days and we lose 171 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 5: you for any day, our chances of winning that game 172 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 5: that day are very, very are a hell of a 173 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 5: lot smaller, you know, because he's such an impactful player. 174 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 5: So not only is our shortstop, you know, he's our 175 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,559 Speaker 5: best offensive player. He's our most dynamic players. So trying 176 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 5: to keep him healthy and also satisfy his need to 177 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 5: you know, be aggressive and use his legs was super challenging. 178 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 5: But hopefully all this is behind him, you know, and 179 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 5: we can get back to watching Ellie run the way 180 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 5: he's capable of running. 181 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: It's obviously fun to talk base running because of how 182 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: athletic this team is, and there are some dynamic guys 183 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: like we've talked about, But the other thing that is 184 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: A big part of what you do is working with 185 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: the outfielders. We saw a guy like Noelvie Marte make 186 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: huge shrides in very short order. What was the key 187 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: to kind of get him comfortable with and then becoming 188 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: not just a respectable outfielder in right field, but a 189 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: pretty darn good right fielder. We saw him rob the 190 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: home run that may have saved the season and helped 191 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: this team get to the postseason late in the year. 192 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. 193 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 5: It was so fun to watch him, you know, just 194 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 5: the relief he felt moving from the infield to the outfield. 195 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 3: He just he was just dragging that around. 196 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 5: He was dragging his his his miscues on defense into 197 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 5: the box, and you know, it's hard to battle yourself 198 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 5: and the pitcher at the same time offensively, So just 199 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 5: to watch him be able to just play free, have fun. 200 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 5: There was always a smile on his face. But the 201 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 5: way he got better was because he just worked at 202 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 5: it every day. We worked every day. I stood behind 203 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 5: him in BP. I helped him with his his pre pitch, 204 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 5: his first step, and then just kind of like let 205 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 5: him make mistakes out there, like hey, man, go catch 206 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 5: the ball or don't catch the ball. But if you 207 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 5: don't catch the ball, learn from it. You know what happened. 208 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 5: And there beat there was plays in the season which 209 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 5: he didn't miss very many, but there was a couple 210 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 5: of where his routes weren't great. But I would take 211 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 5: the iPad to him and I'd show him and and uh. 212 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: And he'd get the hang of it. And then and 213 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: the very next play he'd clean it up. 214 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 5: So he's that good at at at making changes and 215 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 5: adjusting and and he's just a great baseball player. 216 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 3: So the more he. 217 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 5: Works, and if he continues to work, he's going to 218 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 5: continue to be a pretty good outfielder. 219 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 4: That robbing of the home run is directly correlated to 220 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 4: the drill that you have with the pitching machine. I'm serious, 221 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 4: and I'm blowing smoke here. 222 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 6: You guys work on that. 223 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 4: So congratulations on that play. 224 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: Come in to Prision congratulation. 225 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: Seriously, Hey, you know I've seen defense go by the wayside, 226 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 4: uh somewhat in this game. 227 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: You're known for your enthusiasm. 228 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 4: You're you're more like a football coach and the baseball 229 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 4: coach I've ever seen when guys get down to first base, 230 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 4: you headbutt them. Now, has there ever been a time 231 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 4: where a guy had butted you so hard that it 232 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: like you saw stars a little bit, or vice versa, 233 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 4: or you did it too. 234 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: Hard to get into concussion protocol. 235 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 5: I'm telling you, Uh, Freedol will absolutely send it on 236 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 5: some head butts. I could see that, and and I 237 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 5: will absolutely send it back to Freedel. So it's morally 238 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 5: just you know, because you know we're kind of the 239 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 5: same size, we're very similar, uh, you know, little pit bulls. 240 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: And Jack Russell's whatever you want to call us. 241 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 5: But when he gets a bunt down for a not 242 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 5: I am more fired up for that event than I 243 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 5: am a lot of other things. And if he forgets 244 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 5: the head butt me, I will take his head and 245 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 5: I will smash it against my head just to make 246 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 5: sure that he doesn't under didn't misunderstand how fired up 247 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 5: I am because he works really hard at bunting and 248 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 5: when he gets it done, it's a big it's normally 249 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 5: a big moment for us, and uh, and that fires 250 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 5: me up. 251 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: You boys, right, that's that's right. 252 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for the time. Really appreciate it. 253 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: Thanks for coming down. 254 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: Always fun to chat baseball with you and enjoy the 255 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: rest of the winter. 256 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, you got it. 257 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: My pleasure guys is Colin cal Gill joining us on 258 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: the Budweiser Reds Hot Stove League. We are live, Hey, 259 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: but the bet MGM Sportsbook inside Tom's watch Bar at 260 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: the Banks. We're back with Mark Sheldon. Next on the 261 00:11:04,880 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: Reds Radio Network. 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I bet it ain't raining down there, Marky, Mark, 268 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: what's going on? 269 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 7: How are you doing? 270 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 6: Pretty good? 271 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 7: I can tell you that I don't have any tan 272 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 7: because I barely left the hotel all week and the 273 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 7: hotel was freezing inside with all the air conditioned plumping in. 274 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 7: But I'm at the airport and I'm ready to come 275 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 7: home in the slop that we're gonna get in Cincinnati soon. 276 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're bringing some snow with you, which is really nice. 277 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 8: Well. 278 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: Mark has been down in Orlando, not for vacation, not 279 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: just checking out the area Disney hotels, but he is 280 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: down there for the winter meetings. He's on his way 281 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: home now, hanging out at the lovely Orlando Airport. Well 282 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: Mark Danks for joining us. But you know, obviously there 283 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of excitement on whether or not the 284 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: Reds were going to land Kyle Schwarber. They didn't. What 285 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: have you learned and and how how much have you 286 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: realized about how close the Reds really were on that deal? 287 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 7: You know, Schwarber said today on his zoom with the 288 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 7: Phillies writers that he thought the Red's offer was impressive. 289 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 7: He thought the Reds efforts to get him were legit, 290 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 7: and he I think the term he used, they weren't 291 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 7: pulling his chain. Him and his wife were at Great 292 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 7: American Ballpark the Monday before Thanksgiving and they listened to 293 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 7: what everyone had to say from the front office, which 294 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 7: included Nick Krawl and Brad Metter and Bob Castellini and 295 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 7: Tito Francona and Chris Valaika and Jeff Garpe. You know, 296 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 7: they went left and they came away okay with that, 297 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 7: but that ultimately when the offer came, they they were 298 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 7: better offers and and honestly, the Reds were a long 299 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 7: shot in a lot of ways. But because the phil 300 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 7: were always going to be the leader in the clubhouse, 301 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 7: they they wanted him back. I think he wanted to 302 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 7: go there first priority, and the Phillies produced the money 303 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 7: to make that happen. 304 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 4: Where do you think the Reds go from here? Where 305 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 4: are some rumblings that you're you've heard this week? You know, 306 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 4: there are a thousand rumors out there. You don't know what 307 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 4: to believe, You're gut feeling where they go. 308 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 7: It's you know, that's a tough one. It's it's wide 309 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 7: open now at this point, Jim, because you know, it's 310 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 7: not like they're you know, pet A Lonzo's off the 311 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 7: board now, of course, but I'm not sure they were 312 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 7: ever They were never in play for him. But there's 313 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 7: obviously there's the biggest probably free agent for them that's 314 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 7: left is Boba Shet, but they're not connected to him yet. 315 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 7: I would wonder if they would think about going to him. 316 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 7: Nick Krawl has said that they are willing to look 317 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 7: at guys that maybe their position is filled on the team, 318 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 7: and then maybe requiring to move a guy to a 319 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 7: different position because they have a lot of flexible players, 320 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 7: and that kind of makes sense with Brandon lou coming 321 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 7: up as a trade candidate maybe from the Raise because 322 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 7: he's a second baseman, and that would mean someone like 323 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 7: Matt McClain would have to move maybe to center field. 324 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 7: So there's there's different hoops, you know, things they can 325 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 7: do it. It's just not as easy to pinpoint as Yeah, 326 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 7: they were after Kyle Schwarber. Now it's like they have 327 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 7: a lot of different, you know, irons in the fire. 328 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 7: They've been talking at free agents, they've been talking to 329 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 7: the trade partner's, potential trade partners, and we'll have to 330 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 7: see what happens. 331 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty five million dollars is what they 332 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: were willing to pay over five years for Kyle Schwarber. 333 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: That seems to be a pretty good price tag for 334 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: a team that's budget seems to be fairly limited. Would 335 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: that give you an indication that they're willing to spend 336 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: if it's the right player moving forward? 337 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 3: Yes to no. 338 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 7: I mean Nick Caral's been pretty transparent about the part 339 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 7: with the what the payroll is going to be. Similar 340 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 7: to last year they gave Emilio Pegan, you know, ten 341 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 7: million a year for the next two years. They didn't 342 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 7: have a whole lot left, and I think what they're 343 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 7: trying to do is that whether it's with trying what 344 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 7: they tried to do with Schwarber or what they might 345 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 7: do with another free agent, is can they find a 346 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 7: way to get creative in year one? They know their budget, 347 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 7: maybe if they can get a guide to the first 348 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,239 Speaker 7: of money. I think deferrals is a big part of 349 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 7: what they might try to do, and then then they 350 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 7: can see where they are for the twenty twenty seven 351 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 7: budget and twenty twenty eight, et cetera. So if they 352 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 7: can find the right guy and tofer some money and 353 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 7: have that player be willing to do that, or maybe 354 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 7: they try some opt outs or other creative ways to 355 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 7: make it work, they will. But I don't think they're 356 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 7: going to expand based on what he said today, I 357 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 7: don't think they're going to expand the budget, nor were 358 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 7: they trying to expand the budget to get shorter. 359 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: If they can't dip into the free agent market. And 360 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 3: as you said, the two. 361 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 4: Big sluggers are off off the board, so trade would 362 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 4: be the next avenue. Now they've are build within franchise, 363 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 4: they've been reluctant to trade prospects coming up with a 364 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 4: trade major league player for major league player is less 365 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 4: frequent nowadays. Do you see them dipping in the trade 366 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 4: market to try to come up with the bat Do 367 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 4: you think that they would deplete the farm system to 368 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: do so. 369 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 7: I mean, it sounds like the way things were going 370 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 7: at the Winter Meetings, and you've seen it a couple 371 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 7: of times with trades before the Winter Meetings. 372 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 3: It seems like there's been. 373 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 7: More major league for major league player trades this time around, 374 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 7: which is a change from the past. Like you said, 375 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 7: it was more rare for a while, But it seems 376 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 7: like teams aren't hunting for prospects the way they were 377 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 7: hunting for them in past years. There's there are fewer 378 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 7: rebuilding teams. 379 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 6: You know. 380 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 7: The one place I keep mentioning, much to people's chagrin, 381 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 7: is dipping into starting pitching. 382 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: You know, they have a lot of depth. 383 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 7: But at the same time, both Nick cral and Brad 384 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 7: Metter have been pretty open about the fact that they 385 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 7: really don't want to trade someone like Hunter Green or 386 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 7: Brady Singer or any of their starters because they, you 387 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 7: know what, the that was deep and talented as it is, 388 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 7: a lot of those guys have histories of going on 389 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 7: the injured list, and they have three guys that missed 390 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 7: all of last season, so I would think their starting 391 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 7: pitchers would be the ones that would attract the offers. 392 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 7: I don't know if they have position players that would 393 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 7: grab what they need, you know, elsewhere. Obviously, if they 394 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 7: have a good hitter on their team, they're gonna want 395 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 7: to hang on to him because they need him in 396 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 7: the lineup too. They don't want to deplete one spot 397 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 7: for another. 398 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: Well Mark, it's certainly going to be interesting real quickly 399 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: talking about trades before we let you go? Is could 400 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: tell Marte a viable option you think on the trade market. 401 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 7: I mean he's been rumored. I think somebody did mention 402 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 7: his name. It connects you with the Reds. I don't 403 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 7: know how serious it is. I also don't know really 404 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 7: know what a fit he would be. I think clubhouse 405 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 7: fit is a big part of it. And el Marte 406 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 7: maybe had some issues in Arizona, so I don't know 407 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 7: where that goes. If he's the guy they would get, 408 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 7: But and again if they got him, they would have 409 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 7: to move McClean, no doubt, so it would be it 410 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 7: would be interesting to see what they do. But I 411 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 7: think he's like he's making like one hundred million dollars, 412 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 7: so I don't I don't know if if that's the 413 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 7: right fit or not quite honestly. 414 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: Well, Mark, thanks for the time, appreciate it. Be safe 415 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: getting home and we'll we'll talk to you, I'm sure 416 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: again soon. 417 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 7: Thanks and happy holidays. 418 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 2: Happy holidays. 419 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: That is Redsbeat writer for MLB dot Com, Mark Sheldon. 420 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: We're back with Red's closer, Emilio Pagan. It's the Budweiser 421 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: Reds Hot Stove League presented by u DF live at 422 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: the bed MGM Sportsbook. Inside Tom's Watch Bartha Banks on 423 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: the Reds Radio Network. Welcome back into the Budweiser reds 424 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: Hot Stove League presented by u d F with Jim Day. 425 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: I am Tommy Throw continuing on the show. Now, we 426 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined by Red's closer, Emilio Pagan. Boy, 427 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: how refreshing it is to be able to say those words, Emilio. 428 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: I'd like to say welcome back, but you you never 429 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: ended up leaving, so it's it's great to it's great 430 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: to have you still in a Reds uniform. How thrilled 431 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: were you to get this deal? Done, especially as quickly 432 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: as it got done. 433 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was pumped, you know. 434 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 9: I told Brad and Nick and Jeff, you know, pretty 435 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 9: much everybody that you know. I was hoping to be 436 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 9: bad and uh, you know, I was really grateful that 437 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 9: we were able to get it done. Man it uh 438 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 9: and uh, and it moved fast, You're right. But it 439 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 9: was a fun process. It was super humbling to hear 440 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 9: from all the teams that were calling. You know, anytime 441 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 9: you get a phone call from a major league club 442 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 9: and they they're interested in signing you as one of 443 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 9: their players, Uh, it's a. 444 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 6: Super cool feeling, you know. 445 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 9: I I've watched baseball my whole life, and so to 446 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 9: uh to have those calls was a fun process. 447 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, there's. 448 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 9: A lot to like about what we've got going on 449 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 9: in Cincinnati, and I knew that's where I wanted to be. 450 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 10: That last day at Dodger Stadium, Uh, when you guys 451 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 10: got knocked out and and everyone in the clubhouse is 452 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 10: saying they're goodbyes, and it's kind of an emotional moment. 453 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 10: Did you think at that moment that might be the 454 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 10: last time you put on a Red's uniform? How much 455 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 10: were you thinking because I was saying goodbye to you 456 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 10: because I didn't it was gonna happen. 457 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: Uh. 458 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 9: It's it's really hard, from being honest, to not think 459 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 9: about that, to not think about, man, this could be 460 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 9: the last time teammates with these guys, and so you 461 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 9: know in the moment, you know, I tell guys. 462 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 6: All the time, I am terrible at goodbyes. 463 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: Uh. 464 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 6: I'm a very emotional person. 465 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 3: Uh. 466 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 6: I think fans can see that. And when I'm on 467 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 6: the mound, you know, I have fun. 468 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 9: Out there, and and so I'm not afraid to show 469 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 9: my emotions a little bit. And so uh when it 470 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 9: comes time at the end of the year, whenever that 471 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 9: time does come, I'm I'm not good at goodbyes, and so, uh, 472 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 9: you're right. I was kind of just sitting in my 473 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 9: locker taking it all in and uh, you know, being 474 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 9: thankful for for my time there and with those guys. 475 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 6: I've had a blast the last two years. Uh. 476 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 9: But there was you know a huge part of me 477 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 9: that was very hopeful that we could figure something out 478 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 9: and could uh could get it done to bring me 479 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 9: back and and you know, take another run at it, 480 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 9: because I believe in this team. I believe in these guys, 481 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 9: and you know, I said it a couple of days 482 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 9: ago when I was up in Cincinnati. I think we 483 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 9: were just uh, I think we just grabbed to surface 484 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 9: on what this team can accomplish. And so I'm excited 485 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 9: to get back to work. 486 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 2: Emilio Pagun, big Irish exit guy. 487 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: Uh Hue, Emilio, you you talked about, uh, you know, 488 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: the process and that other teams were calling you. 489 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: Uh, how'd that process go? 490 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: Uh? Take us behind the curtain just a little bit. 491 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 1: I mean, did you you said you wanted to be 492 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: back with the Reds. You've You've made that clear to 493 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: everybody involved. So during the during that process, did you 494 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: feel like the Reds had to outbid some other teams 495 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: or just get competitive? I mean, how does that whole 496 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: process kind of play out, especially when you know where 497 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: you want to be. 498 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, the process is it is what it is. 499 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 6: Man. 500 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 9: You know, teams call, uh, teams call my agent asient 501 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 9: does a really good job of communicating with with all 502 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 9: the teams and with me. I'm aware of who's calling, 503 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 9: when they're calling, what they're thinking, and you know, it's 504 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 9: really just having fun with it. 505 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 6: As far as as far as offers. 506 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 9: In the market, I don't really worry about that. Uh, 507 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 9: to be honest, you know, you know, I feel like 508 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 9: it's not really something to worry about. 509 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 6: You know, I grew up in church. 510 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 9: You know, for me, you know, God had a plan 511 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 9: for my life to play baseball, and so for me, 512 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 9: he's He's provided opportunities and and uh places for me 513 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 9: to go. And so you know, I had a desire 514 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 9: back in Cincinnati, and you know, I felt like it 515 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 9: was gonna happen the whole time. And so as far 516 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 9: as the market goes, I wasn't really concerned about it. 517 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 9: You know, I have said, and I do believe this 518 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 9: is true. I do owe a little bit to the 519 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 9: game of baseball and to players and to the future 520 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 9: players to get what the game might dictate. You know, 521 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 9: somebody who's done what I've done in this game is 522 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 9: worth and so there there is a little bit of 523 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 9: that factor. But as far as being like anxious or 524 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 9: concerned about the market like that, you know, I'm grateful 525 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 9: that that was never a part of my process, and 526 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 9: so I'm just glad we were able to get it done. 527 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 6: Be back in Cincinnati. 528 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 10: There's been so many players that have come through Cincinnati, 529 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 10: and there's I guess there's just something about it that 530 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 10: players like. Even during the down years, there were players 531 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 10: that I really like it here and I'd really like 532 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 10: to come back, and a lot of times they didn't twofold. 533 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 10: What is it about Cincinnati, Cincinnati Reads, and what is 534 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 10: it about this particular group that's so enticing and situation. 535 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, it's hard for me to comment on like 536 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 9: previous guys, because I don't know what the you know, 537 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 9: what the clubhouse was like, you know, during those years 538 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 9: that you're referring to. For me, I can say right now, 539 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 9: what's enticing for me is the people. The guys in 540 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 9: that clubhouse. Our front office staff, our coaching staff, are 541 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 9: port staff in the clubhouse. It's just a really special 542 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 9: group of people where it feels like we're all on 543 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 9: the same page. It feels like there's one common goal, 544 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 9: which is to get better, to win games, and to 545 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 9: hopefully bring a championship to this organization. And so, you know, 546 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 9: as a fan of baseball, you like to think that 547 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 9: every team is trying to win as many games as 548 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 9: possible every year. Being in the game, I think we're 549 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 9: all aware that that's not always the case, unfortunately, and 550 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 9: so as far as guys in previous years that have 551 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 9: wanted to come back, I'm not sure what was enticing 552 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 9: to them. But for me, you look at the talent 553 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 9: on this roster, you pair that with the group of 554 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 9: people that we have in this organization, it's just a 555 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 9: special place at a special time, and I think, like 556 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 9: I said, we're just scratching the surface. I think this 557 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 9: is going to become a destination in this league if 558 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 9: we do this right, and you know, we start taking 559 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 9: more and more steps in the right direction towards winning 560 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 9: a championship, and so I'm great to be a part 561 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 9: of it and excited to see what we can accomplish. 562 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: Emilio, closing wasn't probably at the top of your radar 563 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: coming into the last season. You turned into not just 564 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: the team's closer, but a reliable closer. At that what 565 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: you learn about yourself throughout the course of the year 566 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: doing it day in and day out. 567 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 6: I learned that I needed more sleep than normal. 568 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: Man. 569 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 9: It's a stressful role, but it's something that I've always 570 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 9: really really hoped that I would get another shot at. 571 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 9: You know, I did it a little bit in twenty 572 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 9: nineteen with Tampa and then a little bit in the 573 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 9: beginning of twenty twenty two in Minnesota. And both of 574 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 9: those years I put it on such a pedestal, you know, 575 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 9: calling myself I get to be a major league closer, 576 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 9: you know, and just really adding unnecessary importance to getting 577 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 9: three outs, you know what I mean, when you really 578 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 9: boil it down, that's all it is, just go get 579 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 9: three outs. 580 00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: And so. 581 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 6: I've matured enough. 582 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 9: At least I thought I had matured enough to get 583 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 9: another shot at it, and you know, I was really 584 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 9: hopeful that I would get another shot at it. And 585 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 9: this time around, I just tried to have fun and 586 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 9: tried to go get three outs as fast as possible 587 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 9: and not really care what it looks like. You know, 588 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 9: if I get three outs before they you know, tie 589 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 9: the game or go ahead, then I did my job. 590 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 9: And so I had a lot of fun with it. 591 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 9: But yeah, what I learned was when you're in that role, 592 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 9: sleep becomes even more important. 593 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 6: So the arm's good. 594 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 10: You mentioned twenty nineteen, you seventy innings pitched that year, 595 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 10: sixty eight and two thirds this year, but they were 596 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 10: all stressed. 597 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 6: Is that a big difference. 598 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 9: I don't know, we'll find out. You know, Physically, I 599 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 9: feel fantastic right now. You know, obviously everybody in spring 600 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 9: training says, yeah, I'm in the best shape of my life. 601 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 9: I feel better now in this off in this off 602 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 9: season that I felt probably the last two or three 603 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 9: off seasons. And so you know that there's gonna be 604 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 9: ebbs and flows with that as you're as you're building up, 605 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 9: there's gonna be periods of dead arm and uh times 606 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 9: in the off season where you're more sore than others. 607 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 9: You know, that comes, you know, being able to manage 608 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 9: that comes through experience, and so I'll know when it's 609 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 9: time to step on the gas or maybe you know, 610 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 9: take it back and notch. But as far as how 611 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 9: I feel right now going into you know, the later 612 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 9: stages of the off season where bullpens will start to 613 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 9: pick up and long toss will start to pick up, 614 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 9: I feel great. And so I'm really happy with how 615 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 9: I feel physically. And uh yeah, I mean I threw 616 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 9: a lot last year, but it's not the most I've 617 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 9: ever thrown. And so you know I met they were yeah, yeah, 618 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 9: for sure, Yeah, for sure, they were. 619 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 6: They were definitely all high leverage, which has not always. 620 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: Been the case. 621 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 9: But uh, you know, for me, and I think a 622 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 9: lot of people would say this, like any inning in 623 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 9: the Big league is high stress. Like we all want 624 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 9: to stay in the big leagues as long as possible, 625 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 9: and so you know, the score and and everything dictates 626 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 9: some uh you know, the leverage index, you know, whatever 627 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 9: that stat is. But as far as how I approach it, 628 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 9: I'm trying to put up a zero. I don't care 629 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 9: if it's the first or the fifteenth, you know. So 630 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 9: that's that's the way I look at it. 631 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: You talk about sleep, a little harder to sleep after 632 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: the adrenaline rush of pitching a ninth inning, isn't it. 633 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: I mean that that's not easy to just shut it down, 634 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: go home, put your head on the pillow and call 635 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: it a night. 636 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's definitely not. 637 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 9: But again that comes from like what I was referring 638 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 9: to is like just keep it into perspective, Like when 639 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 9: I was getting when I was getting a chance to 640 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 9: close in Tampa. Yeah, I was up till three four 641 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 9: o'clock in the morning after games, just either super pumped 642 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 9: up because I got the job done or super disappointed. 643 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 6: In myself because I blew the game this time around. 644 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 9: I was just trying to be you know, more honest 645 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 9: with myself about how I threw the bait, not necessarily 646 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 9: what the result was. Like if I threw good and 647 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 9: blew the game, I was okay with it, which you know, 648 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 9: fans may or may not want to hear that, But 649 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 9: my process was, in my opinion, the right way to 650 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 9: go about it. Like I don't want to pitch bad 651 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 9: and get the job done and think, man, I'm in 652 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 9: a good spot, you know, like this is sustainable for 653 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 9: the next two weeks. So like if I threw bad 654 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 9: and didn't and and still got the save, like all right, 655 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 9: let's look into why I wasn't commanding my fastball as 656 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 9: much or whatever. Which the flip side of that was 657 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 9: if I pitched good and gave up a homer and 658 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 9: we lost, like I was okay with that because I 659 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 9: knew that if I kept throwing the ball like that 660 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 9: more times than not, just the way that baseball is designed, 661 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 9: like if you pitch good, you're gonna get out. It's 662 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 9: really hard to get hits in this game and string 663 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 9: string two. 664 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 6: Or three together. 665 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 9: And so that was my whole thought process, and because 666 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 9: of that I was able to get better sleep. 667 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: As somebody once told me, they decided to become a 668 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: pitcher because they realized it was a lot easier than 669 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: being hit her. 670 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 6: Yeah that guy was you. 671 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, Emilio certainly appreciate the time. 672 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. 673 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: Really happy for you and your family and have a 674 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: great holiday season. 675 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 6: All right, Yeah, thanks guys. I appreciate you having me on. 676 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely That is Red's Closer, Emilio Pagan joining us. We'll 677 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: take your phone calls and mores. We wind down on 678 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: the Budweiser Reds Hot Stove League presented by UDF. 679 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 2: Next on the Reds Radio Network. 680 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: BET, wrapping things up on the Butterwiser Red Hot Stove 681 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: League presented by ud ALF. We are live the BET 682 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: MGM Sportsbook inside Tom's Wahbar at the Bank. 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Gramps, 692 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 1: what do you got for us? 693 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 8: You know him? 694 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: Sir, you're behaving, trying not to, but you know there's 695 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: plenty of people to keep. 696 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 8: Hey, that's where I am. Well, I have a new job, 697 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 8: but I'm not going into that. I'm knowing a lot 698 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 8: of traveling. But anyway, with the Reds, I am a 699 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 8: big Reds fan. I'm a diehard Yankee fan, being rigid 700 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 8: from New York. I hate the Orioles. How the hell 701 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 8: the Casteline let the Ools sign Alonzo? I hated them. 702 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for the call, Gramps, appreciate you calling in. 703 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. I you know, I 704 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: like the idea Kyle Sharber. I thought he would be 705 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: a really good fit for this Reds team. And by 706 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: all accounts, look, the Reds did everything they could. Uh, 707 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: the Phillies came up with a better offer, And I 708 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: think it probably comes down to deep down he was 709 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: comfortable there, that's where he wanted to stay. Pete Alonzo, 710 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't Jim, I don't know how you feel about this. 711 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't feel as though Pete Alonzo would have been 712 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: as good of a fit with this team. Granted, the 713 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: bat's great, the power numbers are great, but sometimes it 714 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: has to be a fit all the way around. It's 715 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: a boatload of home runs. 716 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 4: It's hit a botload of home runs in Great America 717 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 4: that that was certainly playing on this team, that would play. 718 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 4: But the reports are that it's even a slightly larger 719 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 4: contract right than what Shwarbur got. 720 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 3: So I don't know the finances. 721 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 4: I'm not privy to the talks of how much was 722 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 4: offered to Schwarbur, how much you know he's in the 723 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 4: end gonna get or Pete Alonzo. I'm not gonna pooh 724 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 4: pooh on a guy hits that many home runs that 725 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 4: he wouldn't fit in. 726 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: Well, you find a way to make it work, don't you. Yeah, 727 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: But I never I never got the sense that he 728 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: was a guy that the Reds were necessarily interested in. Yeah, 729 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: I don't know that he was on the radar for them, 730 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm sure he'll work out great 731 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: for the Orioles. He's certainly a power back that could 732 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: use in their lineup, and they need to figure out 733 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: a way to get some power from somewhere. We wrap 734 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: up the show and we come back next on the 735 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: Reds Radio Network. It's up on the Budweiser Reds Hot 736 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: Stove League presented by UDF. Give the gift of Reds 737 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: Baseball this holiday season with Red's Holiday Flex Ticket vouchers. 738 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 1: Your favorite Reds fan will get a choose which games 739 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: they want to see in twenty twenty six. Visit Reds 740 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: dot com slash Holiday for details. Well, pretty much out 741 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: of time for today's show. Who knows, maybe we'll be 742 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: talking about some excitement next week. Shows on a Tuesday. 743 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: Great to have Emlio Pagan on today. Great to have 744 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: him back in the bullpen. Sounds like the Reds are 745 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 1: still willing to go out there and spend some money. 746 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 3: Remains to be seen. 747 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 4: It does not my money to spend, nor my position 748 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 4: to talk about it. 749 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 3: Things that I don't know. We'll see, we'll. 750 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: See what will be waiting Like everyone else, we will 751 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: be And you know what, it is disappointing that the 752 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber thing didn't work out, but you got to 753 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: move on. 754 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 3: And now we'll see where. 755 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: The Red's pivot and how they continue to try to 756 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: piece together this team for twenty twenty six. But you've 757 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: got to try to find a way to build on 758 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: the momentum getting to the postseason last year. Tito's talked 759 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: about it, Emilio Pagan talked about it. They want to 760 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,919 Speaker 1: get back there, they want to pop bottles again. 761 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 4: They're gonna have to come up with a creative trade then, 762 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 4: in my opinion. 763 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: And I think that's probably what we'll be looking at. Yeah, 764 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: maybe we'll halt, Maybe we'll be talking about that. 765 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 3: Perhaps Tuesday is the show. Tuesday. 766 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: Next Tuesday, we'll be here in the same spot, all right, 767 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: at the bet MGM Sportsbook inside Tom's Watch Bar at 768 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: the Banks. We're out of time for this show. Big 769 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: thanks to Calling cal Gill for joining us today. Thanks 770 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: to Mark Sheldon for calling in. Also thanks to Emilio 771 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: Pagan for our producer, engineer, dave Yiddy, Arm Brewster, Joe 772 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: Waddell back in our network headquarters, and for Jim Day. 773 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm Tommy Thrawl saying good night from the bet MGM 774 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: Sportsbook inside Tom's Watch Bar at the Banks. You've been 775 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: listening to the Budweiser reds Hot Stove League presented by 776 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: UDF on the REDS radio network,