1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,000 Speaker 1: Roddy. 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 2: I'd love to go help protect some of those ICE agents, 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 2: but there's just one problem. I don't think I have 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: good enough trigger discipline. 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 3: I yeah, I needed that, Thank you, I absolutely needed that. 6 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 3: Iether you where I want to go next? 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 4: Let's do this. 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 3: I'd intended to talk about the temporary protected status that 9 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: Venezuelans have and fidi's Supreme Court decision bringing it to 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: an end. This is another example of how and when 11 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: I give you a timeline about this case. I bet 12 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: there's something in this timeline that you don't remember or 13 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: that you never knew. Let's just start with the timeline. 14 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: Let me just walk through a timeline for a moment. 15 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: Donald Trump on his last full day in office during 16 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 3: his first term, which would have been January twentieth of 17 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, it was Donald Trump who first granted 18 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: temporary protective status to Venezuelans in the United States. 19 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 4: Are you okay? Yeah? 20 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 3: The same Trump today who is fighting to revoke temporary 21 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: stratus has been upheld with it's rain court. He's actually 22 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: the first one to grant it. In fact, it wasn't 23 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: January twenty, it was on January nineteenth. It was the 24 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: day before. On January nineteenth of twenty twenty one, Donald 25 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: Trump authorized the granting of Temporary Protected Status for all 26 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: Venezuelans and the United States, both lawfully and unlawfully, protecting 27 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 3: them from deportation. Trump granted TPS. His rationale for doing 28 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: so was because of turmoil in Venezuela caused by the 29 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: communist Maduro, leading many opponents of the madeial government to 30 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: flee the country. Now, by statute, temporary Protected Status is 31 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: granted for a period of either six, twelve or eighteen months. 32 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: At the end of the term, it either expires on 33 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: its own or it can be extended. There is a 34 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: process that's set forth in the statute for extending temporary 35 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 3: Protected status for another six, twelve or eighteen month period, 36 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: and that is all dependent upon an evaluation that is 37 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: determined by the Department of Homeland Security SCRI Derek So 38 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 3: the first the Donald Trump Temporary Protected Status for Venezuelans 39 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: was set to expire July twentieth, twenty twenty two, eighteen 40 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 3: months after it was granted by Donald Trump July twenty 41 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: twenty two, Joe Biden as president. But the way that 42 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: TPS works is that it only applied to Venezuelans that 43 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: were in this country prior to that first grant on 44 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: January nineteen of twenty twenty one. Iny Venezuelan who arrived 45 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: in the United States unlawfully and without status that temporary 46 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: protected status after January twentieth, twenty twenty one were not 47 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: called or I'm sorry, we're not covered by Temporary Protected status, 48 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: so they weren't TPS. They weren't called TPS immigrants. 49 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 4: So let's call that group group number one. 50 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: Group number one granted by Donald Trump, and they had 51 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: arrived after they had arrived before he had granted it. Then, 52 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: on July eleventh of twenty twenty two, Alexander Mayorcis remember him, 53 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: Secretary of Homelandsecurity, He announced that Venezuelan TPS would be 54 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 3: extended for another eighteen months because he found, based on 55 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: his authority under the statute, he found the conditions in 56 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: Venezuela had not changed since Trump had done it originally. Now, 57 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: temporary Protected Status requires that you register with Customs and 58 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: Immigration Services CIS in order for your TPS status to 59 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 3: be effective. May Orcus gave those Venezuelans in Group one 60 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 3: in the country without status until September nine of twenty 61 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: twenty two to register. Then on September eighth, the day 62 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 3: before that deadline occurred, may Orcus changed the temporary Protected 63 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: Status extension and ordered that it would run for eighteen 64 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: months starting on that date September eight of twenty twenty two, 65 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 3: but would still only covered Venezuelans in the country before 66 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: January twenty twenty one and who had registered with CIS 67 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: before September ninth. I know, convoluted, but I'm just giving 68 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: you the timeline now. The new expiration date a temporary 69 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 3: protected status for Group one under the Trump original Trump 70 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: grant was March four, twenty twenty four. What changed was 71 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: the Biden administration's approach to border enforcement. In the twenty 72 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 3: months that took place or that existed between January twenty 73 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: twenty one and September twenty twenty two, the Biden administration 74 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 3: allowed millions of illegal aliens to flow into the country unchecked. 75 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 3: That started the word to spread all across Central and 76 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: South America, and that meant that the floodwaters of illegal 77 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: aliens increased, you know, multifold. 78 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 4: That in turn led to. 79 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 3: Illegal aliens from all over the world deciding, hey, I 80 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: got to get to Central and South America, and with 81 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: the Maduro government in Venezuela being a willing ally, Venezuela 82 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 3: too get to somewhere in central South America so that 83 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: I can travel to the United States Mexican border where 84 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: I know now the Biden administration will just let me in. 85 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: And that is precisely what happened. But remember, as I 86 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: noted earlier, six months before the Group one extension was 87 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: set to expire, Mayorcus added another eighteen months for that 88 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: Group one that extended the temporary protected status for them 89 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 3: from March twenty four to September twenty five to the 90 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: end of last month. Now go back to October third 91 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three, Mayorcus redesignated Venezuelans for temporary protected status. 92 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 4: What does that so? What does that mean? 93 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: That mean that he granted protection from deportation to anybody 94 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: from Venezuela who entered the country illegally between January twenty 95 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, the original date that Trump did it, 96 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: and October third of twenty twenty three, which means that 97 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: all the illegal aliens that the Biden border policy had 98 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: allowed in but who were not covered by the original 99 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: Trump protective temporary protected status, got it. They got that 100 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 3: temporary protected status because of may Orcus, so that redesignated 101 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: created what I would call Group number two, and they 102 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: were granted eighteen months of temporary protected status. That coverage 103 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: would not end until April three of twenty twenty five. Now, 104 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: if you've managed to follow along, you know we've got 105 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: two separate groups from Venezuela. Group one led in by 106 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: the Trump administration because of chaos and economic collapse in Venezuela, 107 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: and Group two, led in by the Biden administration simply 108 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: because they threw the border opened to millions who came 109 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 3: through Central America or Mexico. Group Group one's protected status 110 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: expired this past September tenth. Group two's temporary status expired 111 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: back in April of this year. So then on January 112 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: seventeen of twenty twenty five, three days left in the 113 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: Biden administration, may Orcus again extended the status for Group 114 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: two an additional eighteen months beyond April to October third, 115 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, a year from now. Even though they 116 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: were still they were there were still nearly four months 117 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: left before the end of the eighteen month term that 118 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 3: he had granted to the Group two in October, he 119 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: would hadn't extended it anyway January seventeen, twenty twenty five, 120 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: trying to eliminate confusion between the members of the two 121 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: groups and to aid Customs and Immigration Services to aid them. 122 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure I got this right to aid them in 123 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: the processing of their registrations. Group one was extended to 124 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 3: this past September ten to that new date in October 125 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 3: next year, which now gave them the same expiration date 126 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: as Group two. But the problem is in effect even 127 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 3: though a protected status by statute was supposed to run 128 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 3: only six, twelve or eighteen months. That's by statute may 129 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: Orchis issued temporary protected status they would apply to any 130 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 3: Venezuela in the United States prior to October third of 131 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: last year, covering twenty months of the Trump administration. The 132 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 3: practical effect of that is it included Trenda Rogua gang members, 133 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 3: it included inmates led out of Venezuelan prisons to come 134 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: to the United States, and it reportedly let patients in 135 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 3: Venezuelan mental hospitals come into the United States. So let's 136 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: fast forward to Trump's inauguration. Eight days after Trump has 137 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: inaugurated the second time, acting pursua to an executive order. 138 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 4: Signed by Trump. 139 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: On the first day in office, the Secretary of Homeland Security, 140 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 3: Christine Home signed an order that vacated her predecessor may 141 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 3: orcus actions on January seventeen. So when she did that, 142 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: she stated that the April third and September ten dates 143 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 3: for ending temporary Protected status for Venezuelans were back in place. 144 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: That launched the law fair. The lawfair against those actions, 145 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: claiming that Secretary not didn't have the authority under the 146 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: statue to vacate the decisions by her predecessor, or alternatively, 147 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 3: they want to argue if she did have the authority, 148 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: then those illegal aliens claim that she violated the Temporary 149 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: Protected Status Statute and therefore violated the Administrative Procedure Act 150 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: because she acted arbitrary and capricious at every step. The 151 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 3: Trump administration opposed the lawsuit on the ground that the 152 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: district judge in San Francisco lacked jurisdiction over the decision 153 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: making under the explicit terms of. 154 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 4: The statue passed by Congress. 155 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: This is an example of the law fair that we 156 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: have to engage in in order to do these deportations 157 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 3: lawfully and fight the rules for radicals that are being 158 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: implemented not just in the streets but in the court room. 159 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: So the District Court in San Francisco and the Ninth 160 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: Circuit twice ruled against the Department of Justice after the 161 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: first set of denials, resulting in a preliminary injunction nationwide 162 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 3: against anybody with temporary protected status. The Supreme Court granted 163 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: a stay of enforcement of that injunction. 164 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 4: What does that mean? 165 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: That means the Supreme Court you cannot enforce the injunction 166 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: and Secretary Nome can proceed with eliminating the protect the 167 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: status for both groups one and two. Now, the Justices 168 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: did not explain their reasoning when they set aside the 169 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 3: lower court decision, but it had to have disagreed with 170 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: the lower court's view that either the planners were probably 171 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: going to prevail on the merits or that the government 172 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 3: wouldn't suffer any irreparable harm, which are the two standards 173 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: by which you overrule a temporary injunction. Then it goes 174 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: up again. By going up again, I mean it goes 175 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: up to the court again. The second time around. The 176 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: lower courts both relied on the fact that a trial 177 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 3: had now taken place, and that now we have witness testimony, 178 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 3: we have documentary evidence supporting the issuance of an injunction, 179 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: evidence that was not given the first time they asked 180 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 3: for an injunction, And both the lower courts and the 181 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: Ninth Court came to the conclude usion that the permanent 182 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 3: injunction should now remain in place that would extend temporary 183 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: protected status out to next October, as ordered by may Orcus. 184 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: Last Friday, the Supreme Court again acted pursuant to a 185 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: stay requests sought by Trump's Department of Justice, and this 186 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: time the Supreme Court blocked the permanent injunction, a victory. 187 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: Without commenting on all the supposedly crucial evidence that had 188 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: been heard in the trial court reviewed in the Ninth Circuit, 189 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 3: The Supreme Court just said very briefly that while the 190 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 3: posture of the case was different the second time, the 191 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: same considerations that warranted the staying of the preliminary junction 192 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: the first time were still present, and it still stayed 193 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: the District Court's permanent injunction in validating Secretary of Numes 194 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: January twenty eighth order. Now this, in my opinion, the 195 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: only conclusion that can be drawn is that the Supreme 196 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: Court agrees that the District Court in San Francisco did 197 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 3: not have jurisdiction to consider the claims altogether both Group 198 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: one and Group two. On that basis, all the accumulated 199 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: evidence that was presented in the lower court is now 200 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: irrelevant because the district Court was always acting in contravention 201 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: of the denial of jurisdiction provided for by Congress in 202 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: the statute that Congress said the courts cannot and do 203 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: not have jurisdiction over these decisions. Now, let me make 204 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: a footnote here that goes back to our discussion about 205 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 3: what happens if the court if we just ignore the 206 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: court's order and I said, we need to follow the 207 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: law otherwise, what have political chaos. Here's an example of 208 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: where we followed the law, and in both times the 209 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: law came out on our side, the court looked at 210 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: it and said, we're going to vacate the permanent injunction 211 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: like we vacated the temporary injunction. And my guess is 212 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: because they looked at what the injunctions were based on 213 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: and said, well, wait a minute, you have the jurisdiction 214 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: to issue an injunction here. Now I don't know, because 215 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: this was just a percurium decision. Mean, they did it 216 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: without signing any opinions. So there may be a division 217 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: of opinion among the six justices who granted the stay 218 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: as to why the District Court like jurisdiction, and if so, 219 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: we'll eventually find out about that when the case is 220 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: fully heard and gets to the US Supreme Court. The 221 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: relief ordered by the district judge back to the trial 222 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 3: level in San Francisco was that Secretary nomes decision that 223 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 3: got rid of may orcus extensions was invalid, and it 224 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 3: restored the extensions granted by Mayorcus. So, with the Supreme 225 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 3: Court now having sat both the preliminary and the permanent 226 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: injunctions aside, the original expiration dates for both Group one 227 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: and Group two are restored pursuant to Nome's decision. 228 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 4: Recall from all. 229 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: The above that I've just said, Group Tuesday was April third, 230 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: twenty five, that's about six months ago, fightly over six 231 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 3: months ago. And group's date was September tenth, that was 232 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: three weeks ago. The point is this, All of it 233 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 3: is a whalings. 234 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 4: All of it is awaiting. 235 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: Regardless of your statue, of your temperate protective staffs status, 236 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: all of it is a whelans down the country, illegal 237 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: illegally are subject to deportation. Remember that when you hear about, 238 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 3: oh I had to plate detect the stabs. 239 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: Nope, Michael, this is outcry that you know, people are 240 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: being arrested in just horrible circumstances. 241 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, he was pulled out of his. 242 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: Apartment in the middle of the night and he wasn't 243 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: even wearing any clothes. 244 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: The only reason crying foul some of us, that is, 245 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 3: is because it's ice. 246 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 5: This kind of stuff has been going on with regular 247 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 5: police forever, and now we decided it was bad because 248 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 5: it's ice. 249 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: Silly, it's crazy dragon, it's really crazy. 250 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 4: Sure enough, it is crazy down, crazy down. 251 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 5: Well, we had found even last week, late last week, 252 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 5: early last week that the more anti ICE people killed 253 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 5: the detainees than Ice. 254 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: So good job out there, exactly, very good job. 255 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: You've probably heard this story but now, but it fits 256 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: in with the whole Olensk thing. So Virginia Democrat Attorney 257 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 3: General nominee J. Jones, if you see a picture of him, 258 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 3: he kind of looks like a young. He's a spartacus. Yes, 259 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 3: he wants to be the next spartacus of attorney generals. 260 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 3: He is now under intense bipartisan criticism because the text 261 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: messages from twenty twenty two run for office. Expect your 262 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: text messages to become public at some point. And in 263 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: these text messages he fantasized about shooting the then Republican 264 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates, a guy with 265 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: the name of Todd Gilbert. In these private texts to 266 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 3: a Virginia Republican delegate by the name of Kerry Coyner, 267 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: j Jones said, in a hypothetical scenario involving only two 268 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: bullets and three people Gilbert, who was then the Speaker 269 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 3: of the House, Adolf Hitler, and Polepot, he would choose 270 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 3: to shoot Gilbert every time and use both bullets to 271 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: the head. He also used an inflammatory language about disrespecting 272 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: the graves of his political opponents, saying that if these 273 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 3: other delegates and other people had they died, he go 274 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 3: piss on their graves. Well, at least this time some 275 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 3: Democrats had some backlash. Of course Republicans did, but I 276 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: would expect that. 277 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: Now. 278 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: Jones responded, but you'll hear in a minute, by accepting 279 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 3: full responsibility, expressing deep regret, an embarrassment, Yeah I would too, 280 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: and issuing a public apology to Gilbert and his family. 281 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 3: He said that he had reached out personally to apologize, 282 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 3: but admitted he cannot take back the words, only offer accountability. 283 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 5: A little bit of clarification here. These are texts between 284 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 5: him and whom. 285 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 4: Kerry kanyor Coyer. 286 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: She's a Virginia House delegate, that's a state rep. 287 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 5: So this isn't something that he posted on Twitter, Facebook 288 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 5: or Instagram or anything. This is just a private conversation 289 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 5: between two individuals. Yes, okay, yes, yes. Now there's a 290 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 5: heated debate. Heated debate, the heated race in Virginia. 291 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: Between Democrat gubernatorial nominee Abigail Spangberger and Lieutenant the current 292 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 3: lieutenant governor Wins some Earl Sears Now Sears and the 293 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 3: Vice President Vans called jones remarks disqualifying, demand that he 294 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 3: withdraw from the race. Trump weighed in, labeling Jones a 295 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: radical left lunatic and urged his immediate withdrawal too. 296 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 4: Now, those. 297 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 3: That tension in that Virginia ray, this is an attorney 298 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: General's race. We can only wish for something as hilarious here. 299 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not hilarious in the sense that you 300 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: make threats to put the bullet in two bullets. You 301 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 3: got choice the Attorney General, Hitler and Polepott. You only 302 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: got two bullets. And this guy's comments are I'd use 303 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 3: both bullets on the then Speaker of the House. 304 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 4: Wow, there must be a lot of bad blood there. 305 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: But I bring it to your attention because it comes 306 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 3: a bit amid this broader national conversation about political violence 307 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: and extremism. Right wing terror incidents on the decline, but 308 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: an increase in politically motivated left wing violence, and that 309 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 3: underscores the discord and the use of Olenski's rules for 310 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 3: radicals by the left and Summary Jones inflammatory and violent 311 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: hypothetical comments have sparkedandeed of political firestorm. And it does 312 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: call for me anyway, It really does call into question 313 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 3: his fitness to serve as Attorney General, and both parties 314 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 3: are now scrutinizing the limits of what is acceptable political 315 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 3: discourse as Virginia approaches this critical election. So what took place, 316 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: That's what I find so freaking hilarious. Take a listen. 317 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 3: This comes courtesy of the ABC affiliate and it is. 318 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 4: At a Richmond. I don't know who the. 319 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 3: Inter I don't know who the pundit is, the reporter 320 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 3: for ABC News, but this is the Virginia Attorney General 321 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 3: candidate Jay Jones response. 322 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 6: The former Republican Speaker of the House Hitler, a man 323 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 6: who's responsible for killing six million Jews and then a 324 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 6: Cambodian dictator who's also a response for the death of 325 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 6: over a million people. You said in that scenario quote 326 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 6: two bullets, Gilbert would get two bullets to the head. 327 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 4: What were you thinking? 328 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 7: You know, Tyler? Thank you for having me and for 329 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 7: giving me the opportunity to apologize, and I sincerely am, 330 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 7: from the bottom of my heart, want to express my 331 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 7: remorse and my regret for what happened and what I said. 332 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 7: That language has no place in our discourse, and I 333 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 7: am so remorseful for what happened. I actually reached out 334 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 7: to Speaker Gilbert this afternoon to apologize to him and 335 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 7: to Jennifer and to their children, because I know that 336 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 7: they are angry and furious, and they are well within 337 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 7: all of their bounds to feel that way because what 338 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 7: I said was unacceptable, and I accept responsibility for that, 339 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 7: and I want them to know, and I want the 340 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 7: people of Virginia to know that I am so deeply, 341 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 7: deeply embarrassed and that I understand the gravity of what 342 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 7: I said, and I am so apologetic for it from 343 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 7: the bottom of my heart. 344 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 3: In this, I'm sure he is that he got caught, 345 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 3: and whomever his press secretary or PR person or whatever 346 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: is has really well versed him in the kind of 347 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 3: cover every base. Reach out to your opponent, talk about 348 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 3: the kids, how they have fear in their hearts, everything, 349 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 3: and it's all your responsibility. You think accountability for it. 350 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. 351 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to diminish his apology. It very 352 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 3: well may be sincere I don't know and I'm not 353 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 3: involved in that race, and I don't frankly care. 354 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 4: I go back to you said it, and I know 355 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 4: you regret it. 356 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 3: In fact, i'm sure you regret it, and I'm quite 357 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: certain you certainly regret having got caught having said it. 358 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 3: My question is, why would you say that in the 359 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: first place. That's what I'd like you know, how we 360 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 3: whenever there's a murder. Oh my gosh, we gotta find 361 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 3: the motive the murder. What was the motivation for motive? 362 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 3: Gotta find mode moddy motive, motive, motive motive. I'd like 363 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: to know what because you say that, I mean, I 364 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: guess I've got thousands of text messages. I guess I 365 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 3: go through. I don't think i've I don't ever recall, 366 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: even jokingly. Oh, I might have said, you know I 367 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: killed for this, or that you know I killed have 368 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 3: a really good margarita? Right now, I killed have a 369 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 3: really good I killed have a decent producer. 370 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 4: You know I killed have one. Ever, that wasn't the joke. 371 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 5: Now, I'm really big on context. Here is there text 372 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 5: messages prior and after that is to what they may 373 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 5: have been speaking about at the time. And the person 374 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 5: he was texting is a person who's a he's a 375 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 5: friend with or is this just a coworker? Is it's 376 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 5: a coworker? How did this come about? 377 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 3: You? Let's see here, here's what Here's what I can 378 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 3: find from both National Review and a couple of other sources. 379 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 3: It goes like this, you weren't simply asking questions and 380 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 3: you know it I generally was. I wasn't attacking you. 381 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: I was trying to understand your logic. You weren't trying 382 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 3: to understand you were talking about hoping Jennifer Gilbert's children 383 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 3: would die. Yes, I've told you this before. Only when 384 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: people feel pain personally do they move on policy. There's 385 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: a little context for you. This is what the coworker, 386 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 3: this is what a co legislator at the time, he. 387 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 4: Was a legislator, a friendly. No, actually on the other 388 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 4: side of the aisle. He was a Democrat, she was Republican. 389 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 5: So this is something So even I'm I'm trying to 390 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 5: fight the urge to sit there and say text messages 391 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 5: from years ago or what could get this man canceled. 392 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 5: It's not like he put this out on Twitter. He 393 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 5: didn't put this out in the universe. It's just between him, 394 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 5: a private conversation between him and a coworker. Granted, this 395 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 5: coworker is not a friendly so I don't think you 396 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 5: would even jokingly say something like that to somebody non friendly. 397 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: Which is my point. I would never I don't think 398 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: i've you and I should go do a word search 399 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 3: of all of our text messages over the past two. 400 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 4: Or three years. 401 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 3: I don't I doubt I've ever said I'd like to 402 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 3: go kill somebody, or if I only had if I 403 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: only had two bullets and I had three people, I 404 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 3: had you and two other people in this building, that 405 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: I'd choose both bullets for you, even jokingly. That's that's 406 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 3: just not the way I joke. But I've also always 407 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: assumed that all the text messages, you know, I can. 408 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: I can go delete all the text messages I want 409 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 3: between me and Dragon if Dragon doesn't also because you're 410 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 3: on my phone too, right, correct, Yes, So assuming that 411 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: Dragon has his phone backed up to the cloud, then 412 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: I can delete all I want to. In fact, I've 413 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: actually done this before. There are people that I haven't 414 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: texted in a long time, and I will just delete 415 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 3: the text messages, and then a year later, two years later, 416 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: I've had people text me back again when I haven't 417 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: talked to him for two years, and bank the entire 418 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: text change shows back up in my text messages again. 419 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: So unless we both delete them, I've always assumed that 420 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: any text message I send at some point could be 421 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 3: disclosed by the other person. Now dragging out have to 422 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: kill you if you do, But you know I'm just 423 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: I'm joking. 424 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 5: I'm not joking. 425 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 4: Take a break, Oh, it is break. 426 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: Time by any comment on the mass shooting in Montgomery, Alabama, 427 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: that occurred over the weekend that the media has elected 428 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: not to cover. Two dad, twelve wounded that occurred outside 429 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: of a nightclub catering to the African American community, where 430 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: two groups of shooters began shooting wildly at each other 431 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: and into the crowd. 432 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 4: No, I haven't seen the story. 433 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: No comment. 434 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 5: I think that might have been his point. 435 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I am now curious about it, and we'll see 436 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 3: how soon it shows up on the list of mass 437 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 3: shootings around the country. Here's the Attorney general candidate in Virginia. 438 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 7: That language has no place in our discourse. And I 439 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 7: am so remorseful for what happened. I actually reached out 440 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 7: to Speaker Gilbert this afternoon to apologize to him and 441 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 7: to Jennifer and to their children, because I know that 442 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 7: they are angry and furious, and they are well within 443 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 7: all of their bounds to feel that way, because what 444 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 7: I said was unacceptable and I accept responsibility for that, 445 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 7: and I want them to know, and I want the 446 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 7: people of Virginia to know that I am so deeply, 447 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 7: deeply embarrassed, and that I understand the gravity of what 448 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 7: I said, and I am so apologetic for it from 449 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 7: the bottom of my heart. 450 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 6: In this election, you're asking Virginians to vote for a 451 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 6: man who compared his political opponents to mass murderers. Isn't 452 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 6: that type of rhetoric disqualifying for someone who's seeking statewide 453 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 6: office here in Virginia. 454 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 7: Well, the rhetoric has no place on our landscape, no 455 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 7: place in our discourse, And again for that, I am deeply, 456 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 7: deeply sorry. If I should have never done it. It's 457 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 7: very embarrassing to me, and certainly I regret it. 458 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 6: The National Reviews article which came out today says, after 459 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 6: those text messages were sent to carry Corner, you picked 460 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 6: up the phone and called her. You said, according to 461 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 6: the article I'm quoting, Gilbert's wife could watch her own 462 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 6: child die in her arms so that Gilbert might reconsider 463 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 6: his political views. 464 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 7: Did you say that? Bottom line is that the language 465 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 7: is unacceptable, And again, I deeply, deeply, deeply wish that 466 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 7: it hadn't happened. 467 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 4: I didn't hear denial in that I. 468 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 7: Have spent the entire day really regretting all of it, 469 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 7: and I certainly wish that it hadn't happened. And I'm 470 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 7: sick to my stomach when I read those words. 471 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 4: Your point was, what dragon. 472 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 5: He's not even saying that. Hey, guys, it was a joke. 473 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 5: There was more context going on. We were just having 474 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 5: a laughing good time, and I figured I'd say this 475 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 5: to be funny. 476 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 4: No, none of that, None of it nowhere. 477 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 7: And certainly they're objectionable, they're abhorrent. They have no place 478 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 7: in Virginia, no place in this country's discourse. And so again, 479 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 7: I am so deeply, deeply sorry. 480 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 6: A lot of politics is about trust. I can think 481 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 6: of nothing more horrific than a mother having to hold 482 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 6: her dying child. How can Virginians trust a man who 483 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 6: said something so horrific, so callously? 484 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 4: Well again, I am yeah again. What's your question? Mister? 485 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 5: Was just kind of curious. A good question by the 486 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 5: journalists would have been, did you reach out and apologize 487 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 5: at the time because the person you were texting called 488 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 5: you out on it? 489 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? 490 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 5: Now, did you at that time say yep, you're right, 491 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 5: my bad, I'm sorry. I was trying to be funny. 492 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 5: It didn't work out. Let me go reach out to 493 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 5: him right now and say, dude, I've said something really appropriate, inappropriate, 494 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 5: and I'm sorry. 495 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 4: Fact I go back to it. 496 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 3: He said something to the effect of he said, please stop, 497 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 3: and he said l l okay okay. 498 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 4: Wow. 499 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you wonder why rules Drolemsky. Yeah, you can 500 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 3: probably find a free copy somewhere