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Speaker 1: This is Mark Madden. Here's a shot heard around the world.

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Speaker 2: We got calls on the fifteens next A three three

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Speaker 2: Twitter at Mark Madden X. What do you think of

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Speaker 2: the obvious nature of evaluating objectively and saying that Kower

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Speaker 2: is a better coach than Domlin? Again, I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's even close.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I think Rodgers took a while, but he screwed up

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Speaker 2: the Steelers and his experiment. Him coming here will be

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Speaker 2: remembered as a failure. When MVS and Scotty Miller are

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Speaker 2: your featured receivers, I don't care if DK's out.

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Speaker 1: Those two guys shouldn't have been be on the field.

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Speaker 1: Roman Wilson should should should be out there.

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Speaker 2: I just can't believe that because Aaron Rodgers think Scotty

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Speaker 2: Miller is good and MVS is good, that they It's

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Speaker 2: sixteen targets combined at Cleveland in a loss and MBS

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Speaker 2: gets force fed the last three with Denzel Ward, the

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Speaker 2: Pro Bowls quarterback, covering him and people aren't saying this

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Speaker 2: is insane.

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Speaker 1: What the frigg are they doing?

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Speaker 2: What the frigg is wrong with Rogers you're just all marks,

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Speaker 2: your marks for bigs names.

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Speaker 1: Rogers has been well.

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Speaker 2: Is one loss away from being a disaster here, one

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Speaker 2: loss away from being a disaster here. No matter how

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Speaker 2: good he might have played, and I'm not sure he

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Speaker 2: did play that good up till now, but no matter

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Speaker 2: how good he might have played prior, he lost to Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: and it was mostly his doing that number to call

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Speaker 2: again eight three three four one two wsdx uh Penguin's

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Speaker 2: host Carolina tonight, we want to talk about that. Oh,

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Speaker 2: here's some some some terrible news, but I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: curious to see what happens. Stefan Diggs, the top receiver

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Speaker 2: for New England, is charged with strangling a woman and

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Speaker 2: his partner, Cardi b with whom he just had a baby.

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Speaker 2: But he's charged with strangling a woman. Got to suspend

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Speaker 2: him for the rest of the year, right, you suspended

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Speaker 2: DK for popping a fan, You got to suspend Stefan

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Speaker 2: Diggs even more severely for strangling a woman. We'll see

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Speaker 2: what happens, but anyway, here's the Hall of Fame stuff

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Speaker 2: I want to get to before we take your calls

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Speaker 2: for calls on the fifteens. These Steelers had four players

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Speaker 2: in the semifinals to make the Hall of Fame, Heines War,

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Speaker 2: James Harrison, Gary Anderson, and Marquise Pounce. None of them

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Speaker 2: made the finals. Now there's a reason for that. It's

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Speaker 2: because none of them are good enough to be in.

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Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: The only one I think is even closest James Harrison,

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Speaker 2: who had a great prime defensive Player of the Year,

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Speaker 2: biggest playing Super Bowl history, that ninety nine yard interception return.

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Speaker 2: I could make a stronger case for him getting in

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Speaker 2: than anybody else because he was the best defensive player

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Speaker 2: in football for like what two or three years, and

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Speaker 2: that's a long time to be the best guy in

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Speaker 2: the NFL on defense. Hines Ward has good stats, but

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Speaker 2: they're only good stats. A lot of guys with better

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Speaker 2: stats aren't in there. He's just not gonna make it.

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Speaker 2: I don't care how much he whines. I don't care

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Speaker 2: how much you whine on his behalf. I don't care

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Speaker 2: how great a blocker he was, because nobody cares about

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Speaker 2: that he revolutionized the game. Apparently not because he ain't

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Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. Guys who revolutionized the game

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Speaker 2: get in the Hall of Fame. That blocking nobody cares,

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Speaker 2: and Gary Anderson kicker to repeat, nobody cares. Marquise Ponci

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Speaker 2: only a center, nobody cares. And if you take offense

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Speaker 2: at me saying that that's how the people who decide

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Speaker 2: who go in.

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Speaker 1: The hallow, Okay, we didn't. Although the difference.

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Speaker 2: Between me saying that word in dink cares anyway. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying that to be a dank. It's just they're

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Speaker 2: not in. I mean, how can you argue when how

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Speaker 2: many years is Hines Ward been eligible and he's not in?

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Speaker 2: He just ain't gonna get in. I'm not wallowing in

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Speaker 2: I'm not against him. I don't like him, he doesn't

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Speaker 2: like me. I respect him. Great player, big time clutch.

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Speaker 2: I always said about Hines, I've never seen a guy

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Speaker 1: But he did, like he just straddled that. He was

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Speaker 1: great in a Hall of Fame player.

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Speaker 2: Then again, I have a different vision of who should

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Speaker 2: any hall of fame. If it was up to me,

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Speaker 2: I not only wouldn't let any of them four guys

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Speaker 2: a like a couple dozen guys outs your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: any or all of that dial four one two, No,

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Speaker 2: don't dial that dial?

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Speaker 1: How can I forget it? Eight three three four one two.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: Someday you're gonna turn on this the radio and I'll

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Speaker 2: be drooling and incoherent, and then.

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Speaker 1: You'll say, what this Isn't I thought i'd put on

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Speaker 1: the X, not the fan.

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Speaker 2: Uh, But anyway, No, those guys are doing Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: just too good of a joke to pass up. Actually,

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Speaker 2: drooling and incoherent. Any hoodles, I just want to put

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Speaker 2: those guys in. You tell me eight three three four

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Speaker 2: w xdx or use the secret backdoor number because the

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Speaker 2: men don't know, but the little girls understand. I'll get

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I think that the game Sunday at Acreshot winner wins

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Speaker 2: the AFC North winner makes the playoffs between the Ravens

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Speaker 2: and Steelers. It will be Steelers Altamont Hell's Angel should

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Speaker 2: do security.

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Speaker 1: Please allow me to introduce myself a man of wealth

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Speaker 1: and taste.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if Baltimore takes the opening kickoff and

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Speaker 2: scores I mean that place, it's gonna be ready to

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Speaker 2: be hostile?

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Speaker 1: No, you know what I said that before, I take

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Speaker 1: that back.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be really supportive and really positive until

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Speaker 2: the minute the game turns bad.

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Speaker 1: And then so will they.

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Speaker 2: Like Zubisco on Bruno, like Cogan on WCW, they will

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Speaker 2: turn and turn savagely.

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Speaker 1: I just worked a match reference in there accidentally, savagely.

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Speaker 1: Will you know?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm ready to go home or to the Penguin

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Speaker 2: game rather, No, I'm having fun today. I think the

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Speaker 2: shows this week have been been pretty.

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Speaker 1: Good, which is as far as I'll ever go. But seriously, what.

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Speaker 2: If they lose? What if they fall behind? And the

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Speaker 2: weird part is, well, no, there's a lot of weird parts.

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Speaker 2: It's all weird at this point with the Steelers. But

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Speaker 2: the weirdest part is, no matter what, they're gonna come

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Speaker 2: back next year with the same coach and the same

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Speaker 2: philosophy and the same everything, maybe even the same stupid

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Speaker 2: old bastard, ruining the team later than we thought he would.

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Speaker 2: But he is quarterback. I used to think he was smart.

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Speaker 1: He dumb.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers dumb dumb. Everyone's accusing me MVS. Scottie Miller

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Speaker 2: dumb dum dumb. Okay, so call next one oh five nine.

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Speaker 3: Tonight it's the Penns against the Hurricanes. Game time is seven.

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Speaker 3: Our coverage starts at six here every game, and the

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Speaker 3: best coverage right here on your home of the Pens

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Speaker 3: one O five nine The X.

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Speaker 4: Are you go?

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Speaker 1: Are you running? We've got you and your friends fis

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Speaker 1: We're all going to rock to the rules.

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Speaker 2: I make double.

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Speaker 1: How you like it? Nappy the X at one.

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Speaker 3: O five nine.

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Speaker 1: One other Pro Football Hall of Fame notes.

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Speaker 2: Elsie Greenwood with the Veterans Committee, he is a finalist.

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Speaker 1: I think Elsie belongs in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not sure you want to put another guy

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Speaker 2: in from that Steelers team in the seventies.

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Speaker 1: At what point do you draw the line?

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Speaker 2: But but.

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Speaker 1: I would like to see Elsie make it.

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Speaker 2: Uh do you think Rogers has screwed the offense up

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Speaker 2: when your top targets are MVS and Scottie Miller at

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Speaker 2: Cleveland in a game you really needed to win that

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Speaker 2: ain't good. And some of you might argue, and already

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Speaker 2: are on Twitter because I said what I did? Well,

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Speaker 2: what can you do with no DK?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Do what coach Cower suggested on CBS. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of play action feature Mouth and John Oot. Then let

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Speaker 2: me just add to what coach Kawer said, run the

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Speaker 2: ball more. Rogers doesn't want to run the ball, he

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Speaker 2: wants to throw the ball. He checks out of the run.

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Speaker 2: All the time they were averaging five point five yards

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Speaker 2: and yet they threw thirty nine times, threw almost twice

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Speaker 2: as much as they ran, even though the run was working.

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Speaker 1: Rogers has f this offense up.

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Speaker 2: And if they don't win a playoff game, let alone,

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Speaker 2: if they lose Sunday to Baltimore, don't even make the postseason,

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Speaker 2: the Rogers experiment in Pittsburgh will have proven to be

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Speaker 2: an abject failure. I bet it goes better next year

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Speaker 2: with Kirk Cousins. Let's go to Lawrence. Lawrence, you're on

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Speaker 2: calls on the fifteens.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, love the show. I want to leave you

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Speaker 4: not tripe bacon on a pizza. It's absolutely delicious.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's all you call to talk about.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm thinking if Tomlin's going to be the head

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Speaker 3: coach for another five or six years, we would never

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Speaker 3: see a super Bowl in Pittsburgh again.

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Speaker 2: Gots the analysis, Lawrence, thank you for the call. Let's

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Speaker 2: go to Ralph and Squirrel Hill. Ralph, you're on with

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Speaker 2: double M.

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Speaker 4: He's a censor, he's a number for watch him this time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't get it. Don't get it, don't get it. Goodbye,

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Speaker 2: No idea what you're doing. Sometimes I think it's good

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Speaker 2: to take calls. Today, this segment maybe not so much.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm curious about. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: that guy said he was going to talk about Marquise

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Speaker 2: Pounce should be in the Hall of Fame. He's only

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Speaker 2: a center, and maybe he was a real good center.

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Speaker 2: There's like a total of I think four centers in

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure how many.

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Speaker 1: I look that up.

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Speaker 2: Two Steelers, Mike Webster and Germoni Dawson. But because we

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Speaker 2: had Webster and Dawson, we badly overestimate the importance of centers.

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Speaker 2: Just because the Steelers think center is important and you

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Speaker 2: think center's important doesn't mean center is important and doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean the Steelers are gonna get a third center in.

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Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious for the game at Acriture Sunday. How many

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Speaker 2: Steeler fans have sold their tickets to Ravens fans on

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Speaker 2: stub Hub, you know, the secondary market. And I asked

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Speaker 2: a win at Cleveland was a FATA complee.

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Speaker 1: And the Ravens game would be meaningless.

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Speaker 2: That said, Baltimore fans had every reason to think that

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Speaker 2: they have gone and bought the tickets? How many Steeler

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Speaker 2: It's Peerre maguire.

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Speaker 1: Next, All one oh five to nine. This is a bold champion,

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Speaker 1: Alfred Williams.

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Speaker 1: What's trending on the Iheartsports Network.

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Speaker 5: Steelers coach Mike Tomlin is optimistic about linebacker TJ. Watts

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Speaker 5: Sunday and depends you'll go for a second straight win tonight,

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Speaker 1: He could make his Penn's debut there. I'm Scott David said,

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Speaker 1: this a seismic ship of super genius. What were you

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Speaker 1: Us how to talk about it? He's done it all

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Speaker 2: Always terrific to talk to Pierre Maguire pre what's the

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Speaker 4: you know, the transaction. I don't think there was much

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Speaker 4: There was no secret around that he was available, and

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Speaker 2: Well, he slot in in the top six right away

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to see the point of the deal

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Speaker 4: I think he has to slide in, you know, in

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Pierre Maguire, Pierre brought to us by

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Speaker 2: The Olympic rosters getting ONCED tomorrow. One of the biggest

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Speaker 2: How much will the rink being three feet shorter, which

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Speaker 4: I don't think anything. The short part's not the problem.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope you're right.

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Speaker 2: I kind of get be mused by the network commercials

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Speaker 4: I mean that's it's just different. So no, I would

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Speaker 4: say that you're right on them with that and the

438
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Speaker 4: other thing too, And I think this is really important.

439
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Speaker 4: The Olympics are a tournament that is so short, and

440
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Speaker 4: if you make one fundamental error, or you lose your

441
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Speaker 4: mind and do something really silly, you cost your team,

442
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Speaker 4: you cost your nation, you cost your teammates, you cost

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Speaker 4: yourself a lot. And you go ask anybody who's part

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Speaker 4: of the nineteen ninety eight Canadian Olympic team, or anybody

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Speaker 4: who's part of the two thousand and six Canadian Olympic team,

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Speaker 4: you go ask them how hard it was to get

447
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Speaker 4: real after that? It was really really difficult for all

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Speaker 4: those players.

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Speaker 2: Pierre, I don't think there's any dubt celebrit He's going

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Speaker 2: to make Canada. Where is he going to he's on

451
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Speaker 2: if he's not on the team.

452
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Speaker 4: If he's not on the team, I'll be absolutely devastated

453
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Speaker 4: and shocked. He's playing as well as any player in

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Speaker 4: the league right now. And I say that with all

455
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Speaker 4: due respect to Sit I say that with all due

456
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Speaker 4: respect to Connor McDavid, to Nathan McKinnon. He's playing as

457
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 4: well or better than any player in the league right now.

458
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Speaker 4: I would probably play him at this time with Connor McDavid.

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Speaker 4: I think Sydney should probably play with Nathan McKinnon and

460
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Speaker 4: we just see who that fits in on the other sides.

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Speaker 4: One thing I'd like to see though, I think Mark

462
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Speaker 4: Stifley deserves an opportunity to play way up in the

463
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Speaker 4: lineup on the right wing. He's a natural centerment. But

464
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Speaker 4: if you put him with Crosby, let's say, and McKinnon,

465
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Speaker 4: I think you could have a line would absolutely rip

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Speaker 4: the tournament apart. And I mean that shifely. People don't

467
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Speaker 4: see him enough because he plays in Winnipeg and they're

468
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Speaker 4: not a very well watched team outside of their market.

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Speaker 4: He's an amazing talent, Mark, He's a really, really special player.

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Speaker 1: Does Brian Roust have any chance to make it for

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Speaker 1: the US.

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Speaker 4: I think he's got a chance. I wouldn't say it's

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Speaker 4: an overwhelming oppor team, but I think he has a chance,

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Speaker 4: just because Billy's so familiar with him, Johnny Hines is

475
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Speaker 4: very familiar with him, and obviously Mike Sullivan and David

476
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Speaker 4: Quinn are very familiar with him. So I think he's

477
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Speaker 4: got a chance. Doesn't mean he's got a home run

478
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Speaker 4: or a sluggers chance. I think he's got a real

479
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Speaker 4: I think he's got a chance. I wouldn't say real

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Speaker 4: get a chance.

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Speaker 2: Here's why I have mixed emotions if I'm you know,

482
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Speaker 2: Billy Garron and Mike Sullivan deciding who plays for Team USA.

483
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Speaker 2: Rusty has fifteen goals this year. He had thirty one

484
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Speaker 2: last year. He is I think perennially underrated, and it'd

485
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Speaker 2: be a good like bottom six style player in you know,

486
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Speaker 2: in that vein that type of player, because that's what

487
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Speaker 2: he really is pier even if he does play with

488
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Speaker 2: sid during so much of his time here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: But I'm a big believer for international hockey. You take

490
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Speaker 2: like your best twelve forwards period, you're most talented and

491
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Speaker 2: then teach them to be checkers if that's necessary for

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Speaker 2: the bottom six, kind of like Izerman was when he

493
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Speaker 2: was always on a team with Gretzky and Mario.

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Speaker 4: Well, they are all good points. So this is for Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: People think about the outrage before the twenty fourteen Olympics

496
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Speaker 4: in Sochi when Chris Kunitz was on the team playing

497
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Speaker 4: with Sidney. I can tell you right now people were furious,

498
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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden it becomes one of the

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Speaker 4: best Canadian Olympic teams ever, and Kunis plays a pretty

500
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Speaker 4: significant role. It's not because Kunitz wasn't a good player.

501
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Speaker 4: Chris was a really good player, but he wasn't a

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Speaker 4: sexy player. And rust Is is a sexy player. He's

503
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Speaker 4: a really good player, to your point, and so Kunis

504
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Speaker 4: could help them win games even if he wasn't getting points,

505
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Speaker 4: and he made sid feel really comfortable because they were

506
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Speaker 4: such great linemates. Obviously, Rust and Kunitz are different. Kunitz

507
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Speaker 4: is Canadian, Rust as American. But your point is spot on, Mark,

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Speaker 4: It really is spot on, Pierre.

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Speaker 2: What's your biggest takeaway from that seven to three win

510
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Speaker 2: at Chicago Sunday night? Chicago had played the night before,

511
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Speaker 2: and now the Penguins played Carolina, who also played last night.

512
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Speaker 2: Kind of a good run for the Penguins. It happens

513
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Speaker 2: again with Deets wait later this week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a home and home with Detroit later

515
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Speaker 4: in the week. Absolutely, the game in Chicago's interesting because

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Speaker 4: Chicago hasn't been the same since Connor Badard and Frankie

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Speaker 4: Major have been out, and so I think that's a

518
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: big problem for Chicago, and you could see Pittsburgh take

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Speaker 4: advantage of it. Chicago can't score enough and they've got

520
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: very young defense, and Spencer Knight didn't have a great night,

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Speaker 4: No pun intendant, Spencer had a tough night, and so

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Speaker 4: I could see that last night Carolina beat Rangers in overtime. Again,

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Speaker 4: I can see where Pittsburgh would probably be very excited

524
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Speaker 4: about the opportunity to knock off the top team like Carolina.

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Speaker 4: My only thing is, and this is really important, Carolina

526
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: is probably the kings of taking shots from anywhere in

527
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Speaker 4: the national hockey. They shoot from everywhere, and if your

528
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: goal in your rebound control is not good, you're going

529
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Speaker 4: to expose your defense. The exciting thing for me mark

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Speaker 4: the addition of Saint Ivany into the lineup has really

531
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Speaker 4: changed a lot of the defense for the Pittsburgh Tainers,

532
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Speaker 4: and I think that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

533
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Speaker 4: So all I can say is big time rebound control

534
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: is important for the Pittsburgh Penguins tonight, and I think

535
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Speaker 4: Saint Ivany and Ryan Shay have to make a big

536
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Speaker 4: difference defensively, not offensively, defensively to help the Penguins if

537
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Speaker 4: they're going to be Carolina.

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Speaker 1: And they totally agree about Saint Ivany.

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Speaker 2: I think he's added I'm not sure exactly what, but

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Speaker 2: his speed, his aggressiveness. I think he's done well in

541
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Speaker 2: that bottom pair for the Penguins up Pierre Carolina. Like

542
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Speaker 2: I said, Hurricanes are in town, first in the Metro

543
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Speaker 2: deep roster, made the Eastern Conference Final last year. Why

544
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Speaker 2: don't I still believe in them?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I don't believe in them at all. And that's

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Speaker 4: not a knock on Rod Brindemore. By the way, I

547
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Speaker 4: think Rod Brindamore is one of the best coach in

548
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Speaker 4: the National Hockey Yague. I'm absolutely shocked that he decided

549
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: to stay in Carolina. I don't think how they build

550
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 4: their rosters is appropriate. I'm not saying that it's a

551
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: bad team. It's not a bad team. It's a good team,

552
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Speaker 4: but it's a good team for the regular season. I

553
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Speaker 4: don't think they have enough stand paper. I don't think

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Speaker 4: they have enough internal depth in their first forceman. I

555
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Speaker 4: think they've made some free agent signings that have really delivered,

556
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: especially Cook in thea Emmy from the Montreal Canadian and

557
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 4: that was a restricted free agency contract, which was ridiculous.

558
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Speaker 4: I still understand that they lost that whack on defense.

559
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Speaker 4: I'm still not sure they were over the losses of

560
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Speaker 4: all their defensemen, especially Peschi who went to New Jersey,

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Speaker 4: Brady Shay who's over in Nashville, Dougie Hamilton who's up

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Speaker 4: in New Jersey. I mean, you go down the line,

563
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Speaker 4: it's just been a plethora of defensemen that have left

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Speaker 4: there over time, so it's hard to replace those guys.

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Speaker 4: I just, for whatever reason, they think numbers are going

566
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Speaker 4: to make it work for them. Mark and I just

567
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Speaker 4: I don't see the equation. I said last year before

568
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: the season started, when they got a new GM, Eric Toulski,

569
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 4: that was going to be a referendum on analytics in Carolina.

570
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 4: Right If they don't win up and it was a

571
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Speaker 4: referendum on analytics, and they didn't win the cup. In fact,

572
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 4: they didn't even get close to winning the Cup. So

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Speaker 4: I'll double down this year and say, if they don't

574
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Speaker 4: get to at least the Eastern Comp French Final this year,

575
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Speaker 4: they need to do some serious soul searching in terms

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Speaker 4: of how they decide to build their team in Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Pierre, You're in Ireland again. What the heck?

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to help women's hockey here, my friend. This

579
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Speaker 4: is the only NCAA tournament outside of the United States

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Speaker 4: and Canada for the nca women. And here we have

581
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Speaker 4: Harvard Quinnipiac, two really good teams, Boston University and outstanding

582
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Speaker 4: program in Hockey East and Minnesota Duluth, you know, out

583
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Speaker 4: of the WHA. So I'm so thrilled to be here again.

584
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Speaker 4: I do anything I can to help grow the game,

585
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Speaker 4: and they asked me to come over and try to

586
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Speaker 4: help them, and that's what I'm doing. I've been here

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Speaker 4: since Monday morning. It's been a grinder. It's a lot

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Speaker 4: of work in a short period of time. And I'm

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Speaker 4: here till Monday and then it's back full time with

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Speaker 4: the NHL. But I'm watching all the games, I'm watching

591
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Speaker 4: the world Junior, not getting a lot of sleep, and

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Speaker 4: I'm having a ton of fun, and I'm thrilled to death.

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Speaker 4: We could do this today.

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Speaker 1: With you, Pierre.

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Speaker 2: You are a true ambassador to the for the game

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Speaker 2: and joy Ireland. We'll do it again next week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I can't wait to see it. Marios Camp

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Speaker 4: March twenty second. I cannot wait. Mark, You have no

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Speaker 4: idea how pump the him for that.

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