1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: I feel given the three new Bats, I feel the 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: pressure is on Cruise and Reynolds to do more more 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: than anybody, the holdovers more so than the new Bats. 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: We talked about my Steeler quarterback plan. Sign Willis and 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: draft the quarterback this year next heads your bet give 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: McCarthy two quarterbacks to whisper to. But they're not gonna 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: do that. They're gonna run it back with Grandpa game Manager. 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: By the way, Cleveland and Miami are reportedly interested in 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Malik Willis. The reported figure that's being thrown about for 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: Willis is a two year contract worth forty million total. 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: What if Cleveland would bring in Willis, why would they 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: do that? They already got Shador and Dylan Gabriel. Why 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: would they do that? And the answer is they probably 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: have concluded both those guys suck after they saw them 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: play each considerably as rookies last year. But the Cuts 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: thing intrigues me the most because he well, besides the 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: Ben and Porter thing. But God, that's like talking about that. 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: It's like trying to evaluate a nuclear explosion. I mean, 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm more more about the body's blood and radiation than 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: I am. I mean, I can't even get over what 21 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: Porter said or that Cam was that stupid. But the 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: Cutch things very intriguing because he overrates himself and his significance, 23 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: But so do you. Which Kutch tried to weaponize and 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: didn't fail, but it's not worked like I think he 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: thought it would. Kutch has recency bias on his side, 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: but as I've said repeatedly, he ain't Clemente Stargel or 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: Parker Couch never came close to helping the Pirates really 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: win anything. And here's where Kutch really lost in this 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: little skirmish. Him not being there a training camp and 30 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: on the roster during the season. That won't even remotely 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,279 Speaker 1: diminish fan enthusiasm for the season. They brought in three bats, 32 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: they've spent a bit more money, they're legitimately trying to improve, 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: and now they don't need his nostalgia. 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: And by they I mean the fans. 35 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: The fans have something, well, whether it turns out or 36 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: not to be legitimate, we'll see, but they have something 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: else to latch onto, and Cutch will be forgotten or 38 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: at least mostly out of mind, very quickly because he's 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: no longer needed as an attraction or a distraction. 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: And that's reality, the. 41 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: Number to call is A three three four one two wxdx, 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: or you can follow me on Twitter at Mark mad X. Seriously, 43 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna be even a little bit worried or mad 44 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: about Cutch when Skeins pitches on opening Day. If only 45 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: Cutch were a left handed pitcher or could run at all, 46 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: I always joke he should be a parogi. 47 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: He's too slow to run in that race. 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: Uh Sherrington said how the Pirates believe in themselves, and 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's true now, but you know, believe in 50 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: one hand and defecating the other. We'll see which one 51 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: fills up first, especially when you have a base ball 52 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: team that hasn't made the playoffs since twenty fifteen and 53 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: hasn't won a playoff series since nineteen seventy nine. But 54 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: I will say, when a franchise does almost zero to 55 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: improve for years at a time, acquiring three decent bats 56 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: seems like big time in the club house as well 57 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: as among the fans. But that confidence will only last 58 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: as long as. 59 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: A bad start. I'm grateful for all this, believe it 60 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: or not. I like baseball. 61 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: I just didn't like the Pirates and what they had 62 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: done to baseball in this time for how many decades? 63 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: But now I'm grateful for at least the Pirates being 64 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: a legit topic. My bucko reports when they start might 65 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: only be half sarcastic. 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: Who knows. Uh, you know, this. 67 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: Show is going to be all over the place most 68 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: shows from now till August of twenty seven, when my 69 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: contract runs out, we'll be all over the place. We'll 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: get used to it. Today, don't forget. Is the Mark 71 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: Maddin show. Darby at three point fifteen Liverpool against mister 72 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: Friday afternoon Sunderland team, and he has predicted Sunderland to win, 73 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: which makes me feel good about Liverpool's chances, although Sunderland 74 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: have not yet lost the home game this season. But 75 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: I digress. Let's get back to the Steelers quarterback situation. 76 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: People are catching on to the folly of Rogers. I think, 77 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: I think a little bit. But you know who's not 78 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: catching on the X players. We got a sound bite 79 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: later from Jeff Saturday, who wouldn't say excreman if he 80 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: had a mouthful about a player, talking about how Rogers 81 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: is still the best bet for the Steelers. The ex 82 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: players won't break the brotherhood, as I've heard it said, 83 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: and the ex players not numbered the voices of reason. 84 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: But one of those voices of reasons in this instance 85 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: is Dan Grasiono ESPN, who said, I don't think the 86 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: answer for the Steelers is a forty two year old quarterback. 87 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: But again, the X players won't dump on Rogers. And 88 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: to emphasize, I believe bringing back Rogers is the worst 89 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 1: possible option. I just don't see what accomplishes. The Super 90 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: Bowl averaged one hundred and twenty four point nine million 91 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: viewers averaged, but halftime with Bad Bunny averaged one hundred 92 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: and twenty eight point two million viewers, higher than the 93 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: game itself. So it appears like that might have been 94 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: a good decision by the super Bowl and the networked 95 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: to make Big Bunny the halftime show because he did 96 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: not chase people away. 97 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: Case closed. 98 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: The Super Bowl audience was the second biggest audience ever 99 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: for any Super Bowl. Last year's Super Bowl did draw more, 100 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: but it was a sexier game. Casey and Philly mahomes 101 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. How come nobody ever complained about Taylor Swift? 102 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, you did. The Pat McAfee show 103 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: is taking two weeks off and will be replaced for 104 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: that period by the Rich Eisen Show. That's what's called 105 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: in the TV and radio business a test drive up next, 106 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: I want your calls on the Ben and Porter thing 107 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: to called Kramer when he caught Jerry and Elane slapping 108 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: each other? 109 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: Can't you to see that you're in love? One O 110 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: five nine X We. 111 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: Might as well have a good time toe got ho 112 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: got t X one Fine, Okay, we're. 113 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: Gonna play that sound bite Joey Porter on Cam's podcast. 114 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: Diana Russini, the football writer, is there as well. I 115 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: want you to listen. We've got a few calls lined up, 116 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: and I want you to react to it. Just react 117 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: to it. I'm not gonna I've already said what I think, 118 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: but I want to know what you think. 119 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: A three three four one two w xd X. Let's 120 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: hear what PZ said. 121 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 4: The seven dude that did that, we don't talk about 122 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 4: it now is crazy, like anybody should talk. He should 123 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 4: never grab a microphone and really talk still a business 124 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 4: because if we talk and still a business, his ass 125 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: is foul of all foul. 126 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: Like that he's dead is foul of all foul. 127 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 4: He's not a good teammate, won super Bowl would he 128 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: But the person, he's just not a good teammate, Like 129 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 4: he knows that. Anybody in the Stealer building knows that. 130 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: But we protected he because I've only won one Super 131 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 4: Bowl and that was my quarterback. So do I love 132 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: my quarterback? 133 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 5: Yeah? 134 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: But is he a good person? 135 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: No? Okay, that's where he said. Let's get your calls 136 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: in now at A three three four one two WXDX. 137 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: Let's go to Joey and Cranberry. Joey, you're on with Mark. 138 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 6: Hey, Mark, so for the law. 139 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: For so. 140 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 6: Whenever I was a kid, Joey Porter was one of 141 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 6: my favorite players. But looking at this all these years later, 142 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 6: I'm extremely disappointed at Joey Porter of saying what he 143 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 6: said about Ben because, I mean, okay, even though like 144 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 6: he doesn't like. 145 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 7: What Ben has to say about the. 146 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 6: Steelers, I mean, Ben's long retired. He could do anything 147 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 6: he wants. I mean, he could go ahead doing anything 148 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 6: want but for him. 149 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not defending that, but soor Porter could say 150 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: what he wants to. But but Joey accuses Ben of 151 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: causing turmoil, and that's exactly what Porter did in pointing 152 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: that out caused even more turmoil, even worse turmoil. 153 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's the thing. Like, Okay, so maybe Ben 154 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 6: might have grown a hissy fit in the locker room 155 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 6: blah blah blah. But he's missing the point though, that 156 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 6: maybe perhaps that Ben actually cares about the Steelers, he 157 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 6: actually cares about winning, and whenever he says what he 158 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 6: has to say on his show, he's thinking big pictures. 159 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: Ben doesn't speak personally on his On his podcast, Ben 160 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: is analytical, whereas like you got James Harrison saying Mike 161 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: Tomas not a Hall of Fame worthy coach, which I 162 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: agree with, but it's a little more abrasive, shall we say? 163 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: And then Porter said what he said, I don't know 164 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: why Cam needs a podcast. 165 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: I don't even know why Ben needs a podcast. 166 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: I guess you got to do something when you're retired 167 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: and have all that money and time to kill. 168 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: But I I just don't see the point of it. 169 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 6: Well, Ben, I kind of see since he's retired. But Cam, Yeah, 170 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 6: there's no reason for him to have a podcast. 171 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: We never knew Cam was. We never knew Cam was 172 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: a douchebag until he got a podcast. He got poisoned 173 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: to buy the podcast. Let's Go to big Z. 174 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: Hey now double M pay now. 175 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 7: Yeah. So I mean, you know, I can't help. 176 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 8: But think that, you know, given the times we live in, 177 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 8: and you know, he talks about covering things up and 178 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 8: protecting him and obviously, you know you want to keep 179 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 8: sport and politic and everything separate. But it almost seems like, 180 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 8: you know, giving him what the narrative with. And I 181 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 8: hate to bring it up, but I'm gonna bring it 182 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 8: up because it's just it's, you know, it's everywhere you 183 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 8: can't get away from if you want to. I didn't 184 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 8: give him with the epsteam file thing. And then you 185 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 8: know there's a you know, this this thing with how 186 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 8: Ben and Trump ran into each other out in Tahoe. 187 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: And yeah, thank you for the call. 188 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with Trump. Let's go to Dylan. 189 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 9: Hey, Mark, thanks for taking my call. I just want 190 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 9: to say real quick, as far as I'm concerned, Joey 191 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 9: Porter contributed to the Steelers that we know now when 192 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 9: he was on the coaching status. He contributed to a 193 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 9: nonsense in the poor culture. 194 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he ran on the field during the Sincy game. 195 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: It did win the game because it got pac Man penalized. 196 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: They somehow ignored what he did. But yeah, I don't 197 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: think Joey Porter was the ideal Steeler either, but but 198 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: he was part of the accepted culture, and Roethlisberger was 199 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: the white quarterback. 200 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: I don't know a better way to put. 201 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 9: It, certainly fair. And you know, even looking at the 202 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 9: off field stuff, I know that you just kind of 203 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 9: a bystander when he got shot in Denver. But think 204 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 9: back to the flats and you know, me being from 205 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 9: the younger generation, I just see him as, like it said, 206 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 9: contributing to some of the cultural. 207 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: Well, contributing even to this day as a retired player, 208 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: to the negative culture they have. As I said in 209 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: my monologue regarding what what peas he said, this is 210 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: another example of the Steelers being in chaos all the time, 211 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: being no fun to follow. 212 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: It is a grind to be a fan of the Steelers. 213 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: But let's go to uh, Nick, Nick, you're on with double. 214 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 10: M Hey, Mark, I'm someone who you know, I like 215 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 10: to see people's actions. 216 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: I don't judge them. 217 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 6: On their words normally. 218 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 10: And being that, Ben all his career has taken the 219 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 10: blame for a lot of things he shouldn't have now 220 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 10: else there were sometimes where he might have said something 221 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 10: about someone else, but all of his actions have shown 222 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 10: a team leader. Whether it happened in the locker room, 223 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 10: I don't know, but his actions show it. 224 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 2: However, Joey Porter is the complete opposite. 225 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,119 Speaker 6: How many penalties he took and hurt the Steelers? 226 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your nitpick and it's gotten une to do 227 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: with now? Goodbye, got underdo with now. Joey was a 228 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: headstrong player. There was good and bad in that, you know, Ben, 229 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: I don't like that every little criticism of Ben for 230 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: years is now coming back up. 231 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: Like I said, the big. 232 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: Problem is people bringing up Tahoe and Millergeville in every 233 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: story that's being written about what Porter said. 234 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: But that he he you know, he didn't associate with 235 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: his teammates a he did. 236 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: He was great friends with Keesl, great friends with his 237 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: offensive line, and he just was very picky about who 238 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: he associated with. Maybe he didn't think Porter and Harrison, 239 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: for example, were worth associating with. So so again this 240 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: is real bad for Ben. Let's go to the Hebrew 241 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: ham or hammer yack shamash. 242 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 8: Hey, Mark, I have an Olympic question. 243 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, the. 244 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 7: Guy for Florida from Latvia that. 245 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: Hit macaboy vill mannis Yeah, he's from Latvia, right, Yeah. 246 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: Hence him playing for the Latvian team. 247 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, is he Latvian orthodox? 248 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: That's your hue. 249 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: Go to Lou, Lou, you'r own double m mark. 250 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 7: You get touched on Millersville and Tahoe. But beyond that, 251 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 7: what did Ben do so terrible that that JTZ show 252 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 7: upset about or is it just that. 253 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: He rode the motorcycle against everybody else's better judgment? He 254 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: could be abrasive in public during his first three or 255 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 1: four years in the in the in the league with 256 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: the Steelers, although he lived next door to me for 257 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: those first three and he was very nice to my 258 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: sick mother, which why I'll always be grateful for so. 259 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: So the locker room didn't necessarily like Ben, especially earlier 260 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: in his tenure. But I don't think it's a popularity 261 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: contest either. I don't think that's required. He was an 262 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: effective leader and performer on the field, and if it 263 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: wasn't for Ben Roethlisberger, you know you'd still be stuck 264 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: on four Super Bowls in the seventies and Terry Bradshaw, 265 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: Whereas you know, Ben got you where you needed to 266 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: go Joey. Porter helped a little bit, but not half 267 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: as much as Ben, not ten percent as much as Ben. 268 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 7: I think Ben is kind of like Barry Braudes. You 269 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 7: put up with what you put up with because he's 270 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 7: so great. He's actually Ben is criminally underrated, making it 271 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 7: to three Super Bowls and winning two, and he's probably 272 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 7: not going to get on the first ballot. That's as 273 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 7: much of the laugh as Bond's not being in. But 274 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 7: maybe the damn the guy. 275 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: Garry Bonds might be the thank you for the call. 276 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds might be the best baseball player ever. I 277 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: think Ben's a top ten quarterback. Both very lofty, bit 278 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: bit of difference. Ninth minute Neil Neil, but Liverpool carrying 279 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: the play. 280 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: I like that. 281 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: We'll have a fellow Liverpool fan, Mike the corsion in 282 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: just a moment and there's a shot. 283 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: That goes about fifty yards over the goal. 284 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: The Corsey next will keep playing that Porter sound by 285 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: because it fills time. 286 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: I mean because it's interesting. One O, five to nine. 287 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 5: It's The Woody Show week mornings at six. Yeah, it'll 288 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 5: be in lightning on the X. 289 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: This is former Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn. Here's what's 290 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: trending from the iHeart Sports Network presented by Austin Pirates GM. 291 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 11: Ben Charrington says he won't shut the door on re 292 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 11: signing Andrew McCutcheon despite signing Mars to be the DH. 293 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 11: Former Steeler Joey Porter senior trash Ben Roethlisberger. On Cam 294 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 11: Hayward's podcast, he said the QB was neither a good 295 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 11: teammate nor a good person. And American snowboarder Chloe Kim's 296 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 11: position for Olympic gold in the women's hatpipe after a 297 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,479 Speaker 11: nearly flawless first run today in Italy, I'm Scott David said. 298 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: Wish you could save on home insurance. 299 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 5: Now the super genius Mark Madden. 300 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: They're gonna nail us no matter what we do, so 301 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: we might as well have a good time. 302 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 5: Told got hold got the exit one oh five nine. 303 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: Once again, the Steelers' logo is enveloped in turmoil, joining 304 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: me not to discuss from the Sporting News, he has 305 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's own Mike de Corsi. Uh, Mike, what's your take 306 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: on Joey Porter's attack on Ben Roethlisberger And that is 307 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: the proper word for it attack, Well, I. 308 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 3: Think that what he said, well, I think the first 309 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: of all, I think we have to start with the premise, 310 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: with with the with where it came from, which was 311 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: to defend Mike and Mike Tomlin's accomplishments and tenure as 312 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: a head coach. And it was interesting to see Joey 313 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: do that because. 314 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 5: Joey worked for Mike. 315 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: But didn't play for him, and and of course Joey 316 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: Junior has played for him, so his perspective on that, 317 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: it's not like as a player, Mike. 318 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 5: Hooked up or took care of Joey Sr. 319 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 3: It was more his observations in watching him work with 320 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: his son and then and working with him close up 321 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: during the time he was an assistant with the Steelers 322 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: and viewing the accomplishments. 323 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 5: And so then from there it veered. 324 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: Off a little bit and became a bit more personal. 325 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: And I think that one of the things that my 326 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: takeaway is that a lot of times Mark and You've 327 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: encountered this in your career. There's no doubt in my mind, 328 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: you get a certain segment of the public that basically says, 329 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: what do you know, you didn't play the game? 330 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 5: All that kind of stuff. 331 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: And I've been blessed in my seventeen seasons at the 332 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 3: Big ten Network that I've sat next to legends of 333 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 3: the sport that never said that to me, never always 334 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 3: treated me with respect. But a lot of the a 335 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 3: lot of the public in various venues will doubt you 336 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 3: because you didn't play. And now we see a lot 337 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 3: of these athletes who cross over into this business, especially 338 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: at the podcast level, and they seem to bring a 339 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: lot more of their baggage into that arena than any 340 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: of us who are journalists, communicators, commentators. 341 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: That's because they're not pros Mike, they're amateurs. Cam's an amateur, 342 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: Ben's an amateur. And Porter, I mean, he's a guest. 343 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: He's not even he's not even in the business. 344 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 3: That's And so when when when Ben started to question 345 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 3: Mike as a coach, I'm right away like, how can 346 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: you say that? 347 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 5: In my mind, how can you. 348 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: Say that when you won a Super Bowl, you made 349 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl, your five hundred yard games were all 350 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: under Mike. 351 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Mike, Mike, I'm not sure that's the topic here. 352 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this is about what Porter said, no matter 353 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: why he said it, and he got very personal with Ben, 354 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: and he's mad because he thinks Ben hurts the Steelers. 355 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: Well, this certainly did not help the Steelers. 356 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 5: Oh, I don't think it did either. 357 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 3: But I also don't think it has that negative an 358 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: impact because the person that he is insulting is not 359 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: a is although a Steeler's legend, is not a Steeler, 360 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 3: He's not in the organization. So I don't think it 361 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: has a negative impact on the organization, the franchise. 362 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: I think it does on Ben though, Mike. 363 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: I mean, this has Tahoe and Millageville in all the 364 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: stories again, and he's trying to be a first ballot 365 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer next year. 366 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not saying it doesn't have a negative impact 367 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 3: on Ben at all. I'm not I'm talking about just 368 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: the Steelers. Certainly, that criticism made public through through the podcast. 369 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 3: And then I saw where I saw it was when 370 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: I was when I logged onto Twitter, I saw Joey 371 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 3: Porter Senior was trending, and I'm like, why would he 372 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: be trending? 373 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 5: Like what could possibly have happened? And then I followed 374 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 5: the links and. 375 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 3: I found out what was said, and and certainly that 376 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: that's going to have an impact on Ben. 377 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 5: At some level. I'm sure he's not happy about it. 378 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: I don't know whether he'll address it in his forum 379 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: or others uh subsequent to this. 380 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't. I hope he's smart enough to 381 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: just let it die as quickly as it can. 382 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 3: I think you're probably right. I think it's probably better 383 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: if he doesn't. 384 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think there's an upside to that. 385 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 5: Just as Ben has. 386 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: Tried to move on from some of the things that 387 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: he did when he was younger, I think that this 388 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: would be something that would be well to leave in 389 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 3: the past as well. 390 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: Now I know, like like, like you've said, this isn't 391 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: directly correct connected the current Steelers, but it does put 392 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: the logo in chaos again. And the one current Steeler 393 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: who was involved with Cam Hayward it was on his podcast. 394 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: Why on earth would he let that air? And why 395 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: does an active player even need a podcast? 396 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: Well, I think that I think a lot of these 397 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 3: guys do this as a way to bridge into subsequent 398 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: careers and because the the entry the point of entry 399 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: for a podcast is can you buy. 400 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 5: A computer and a microphone? 401 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 3: And it's and I think he can afford that, and 402 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: so it's so easy to do and you get yourself 403 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: a chance. And so you know, obviously, if you hit 404 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 3: the right formula, the the Rogan formula, you can make 405 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 3: a ton of money doing that. And so I think 406 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 3: that's why a lot of athletes do this sort of thing, 407 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 3: and it's varying degrees of success. Pat McAfee has had 408 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: spectacular success at doing what he did. 409 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: And the minute, the minute I heard Cam talk on 410 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: his podcast for the first time, Mike I knew he won. 411 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: Pat McAfee, I mean, he's headed. 412 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: He's on a one way ticket to Pelukaville in terms 413 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: of our business. 414 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 2: So again I just don't get it. 415 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I why would he let it air? 416 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 3: Because now we're talking about it, I mean, why did 417 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: Joey go in that direction? 418 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 5: I don't know. I thought. 419 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: I think you can defend the Tomlin record and you 420 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: can criticize him on the level of, hey, man, like 421 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: he made you a better quarterback. Your career ascended when 422 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: he arrived, You were very good when he got there, 423 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: you became. 424 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 5: Great under him. 425 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 3: You could have done it all in that framework without 426 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: having to go in the direction that he did. 427 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: We're talking about the course of the sporting news here 428 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: on the Mark Madden Show. 429 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: What's your take? 430 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: I want to move to the Powers for second, Mike, 431 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: what's your take on the cut situation and who's the 432 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: fault for the bad feeling between the two parties? Oh? 433 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: I you know, I think, first of all, I think 434 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: the team is because they really they clearly. 435 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 5: Oh, I mean I think it starts there. Now, let 436 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 5: me get to that. 437 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: I think it starts there because I think that there 438 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 3: should have been a communication either an immediate a touch man, 439 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: this is it, you know, and maybe start having that 440 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: conversation in September last year because it's not like they're 441 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 3: playing meaningful games, right, so you start to have if 442 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 3: you don't think that he is, that you won him around. 443 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: Like in eighty two, my first year in the business, 444 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 3: I covered baseball, and I will go on record as 445 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 3: saying that I did not do the job well. 446 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 5: I'm not pretending that I was Charlie Feeni or anything drift. Yeah, 447 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 5: I did not do the job well. But I spent 448 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 5: a year covering the Pirates. 449 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 3: I was on the road for all but the West 450 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 3: Coast games, and Willie Stargell was on that team. And 451 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: Willie Stargell I don't remember that he started five games. 452 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: Every appearance that Willy made was as a pinch hitter, 453 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: because they thought there's a value Willy wanted to go 454 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 3: and there's a value in having a Willy Starge on 455 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 3: your roster, even if it's just a pinch hit. There's 456 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 3: a lot of space there, and and so they that's 457 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 3: the way they arranged. It was going to be his 458 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: last year. I wrote the article out of spring training 459 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 3: that it was going to be his last year, et cetera. 460 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,239 Speaker 5: And it was. 461 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 3: And he actually had a pretty good run as a 462 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: pinch hitter for a while and then kind of tailed 463 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 3: off at the end. 464 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 5: And like, if you didn't think. 465 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 3: There was that role for Cutch, which I think there 466 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 3: should be, But if you didn't think there was that 467 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: role for him, it should have begun in last September 468 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 3: saying touch this is like we're not going to bring 469 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 3: you back, so you can make the decision now you want. 470 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: And I think they delayed. 471 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: I think they delayed to see if they could get 472 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: an Ozona. 473 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 3: I I think they always do this, Mark, that's the point. 474 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, always do. That is a bit of an upgrade 475 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: for who they usually get. 476 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 5: I'm not saying that they shouldn't have gotten Asuna. 477 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: I'm saying they always like, if you can't figure out 478 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: like that that Cutch isn't going to be your guy 479 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 3: in September, why do you Why are you in the job. 480 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 5: Of course you can figure. 481 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 3: That out if he's good enough to play as a 482 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 3: DH anywhere. I mean, if he's if you think he's 483 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 3: it's it's a possibility. Like if we don't get as sooner, 484 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: then he can be our DH, then he should be 485 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: on your roster, and you should have offered him a contract. 486 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 5: Like, but he's probably not. 487 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 3: He's, like I said, he's probably only worthy of the stargel. 488 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: Concept, but can't run it all, can't play. 489 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 3: In the field, right, Okay, So make the decision and 490 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: tell him like, this is it man, and we would 491 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: love to give you a hell of a day on 492 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 3: band Appreciation Day for being the great pirate that you are, 493 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 3: MVP playoff and all that, and that's what they should 494 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 3: have done, But they always do what's convenient because they 495 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 3: don't care how they're perceived. They have the i mean 496 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 3: the whole bricks thing and all of that. They don't 497 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 3: know that they don't know how to run an organization, Well, 498 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: that's public spacing, and the whole organization's concept is to 499 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 3: be public facing. And so that's why it starts with them. Now, 500 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 3: should Kutch have done what he did over the weekend? 501 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 5: That was petty, Let's be honest. 502 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: I mean, like when when they when they when they 503 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 3: signed as soon and you wipe your social media of anything. 504 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: And he had been complaining quite a bit before that too. 505 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: Mike, he had, he had, and I think I think 506 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: at that point it was because they had dragged it 507 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: out and and didn't give him a clear idea of 508 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 3: where this was headed. And again it was it was 509 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 3: they were doing what was convenient for them. 510 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 5: The public be damned, player relations be damned. 511 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: I just I have so little respect for how they 512 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: handle their business. 513 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I'm with you on that. I mean, 514 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: I don't think they are free to blame. 515 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: I just think I think Kutch overplayed his status a 516 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: little bit. He's not commente Parker or Stargel, and I 517 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: think he wanted treated like that. 518 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: But but like I said, all you had to do 519 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 3: was say like you're not coming back, man, we loved 520 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 3: having you here. 521 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 5: This is it. Let's have a heck of a day 522 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 5: on the last day, and then if you. 523 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 3: Feel like you can go play in Cleveland or something, 524 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 3: go for it. 525 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 5: But if you don't want to have that day and 526 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 5: you want to go play in Cleveland, that's fine. But 527 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 5: tell us now that's what they should have done. 528 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: But instead they drag it out because well, if we 529 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 3: don't get as. 530 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 5: Sooner than what are we going to do? Well, maybe 531 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 5: we'll play couch. 532 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 3: I mean, that's just no way to run a professional 533 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: baseball organization. 534 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 5: I'm sorry. 535 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: How much have the parts improved with their three bats 536 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: they acquired wile O'Hearn and now Ozuna. 537 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: How many more wins do you think they're capable of? 538 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: Maybe enough to get slightly above five hundred and therefore 539 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: only good enough to compete for the playoffs if it's 540 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 3: a dismal year in the National League. If it's I 541 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 3: don't know, if Philly and La win one hundred and 542 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 3: twenty each and then therefore the last team in the 543 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 3: playoffs might get in in the five hundred ballpark, But 544 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 3: with Jared Jones not returning until June, the pitching staff 545 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 3: is still solid. 546 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 5: You could even call it strong because Schemes is so great. 547 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 3: But it's not at the level to carry these bats 548 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 3: to significant success. 549 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: What do they still lack most? 550 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: I was shocked to realize looking at their roster they 551 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: don't have a left handed starter, not among their top five. 552 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: Maybe Barco could jump in there, but I think they 553 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: could use better. 554 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 3: Well certainly, that's absolutely true, But I still think what 555 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: they're what they're going to lack most is offense. 556 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 5: Their defense. 557 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 3: Their their pitching slash defense last year was probably worthy 558 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 3: of if with with a better offense behind, it probably 559 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: would have been successful enough to flirt with the playoffs. 560 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 5: I mean, Schemes is just extraordinary, and. 561 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: He's well supported, especially by the starters, but not that 562 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: badly supported by the bullpen either. 563 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 5: But there's just isn't enough offense. 564 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 3: And I just don't think that what they acquired is 565 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 3: going to significantly changed that. It can alter it a 566 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: little bit, it can make them more successful. 567 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 5: Uh, but they needed any elite. 568 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 3: Pitching staff to try to get through sort of just 569 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: to try to sort of replicate an eighty eight Dodgers 570 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: type thing. 571 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: Are you any of the Olympics at all? My goodess? 572 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: So what events? 573 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 11: Uh? 574 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: Well, my wife and I watched the figure skating team 575 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 3: event on Sunday, uh, and thought it was wonderful. 576 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 5: It was. It was a cool concept. 577 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 3: When I went into it, I thought it was like 578 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 3: a gimmick thing to try to get more skating into 579 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: the Olympics and all that. But the way it plays out, 580 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: it's pretty suspenseful because it's pretty The scoring is pretty simple. 581 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: Uh you're if you finish first, you get the most points, 582 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: the second you get the next most points, et cetera. 583 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 5: Uh, And so it was it was pretty cool and 584 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 5: to to watch the US win it on the final event, 585 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 5: I enjoyed that obviously, to both hockey teams at a 586 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 5: big level. 587 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: And now I'm starting to worry, like, uh, oh wow, 588 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 3: you won five nothing, and like, as canon, that's sort 589 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 3: of just setting a trap the way Spain did for 590 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: the US men's Olympic team in two thousand and eight. 591 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 5: Now they the. 592 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 3: US men managed to get out of that trap. But 593 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 3: after kicking Spain around group play, then they went to 594 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 3: the in the gold medal game and it. 595 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 5: Was really tough. I don't think that it's going to 596 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 5: be five nothing when we get. 597 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: To the metal round between the US women and Canada's women. 598 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: Here's my philosophical question so far from the Olympics, Mike, 599 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: when's y Vaughn tried to down hill with a ruptured 600 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: acl and broke her leg right away, was she brave 601 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: or stupid? 602 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 5: I think she was brave. 603 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: I really do believe that, as she said, and that 604 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 3: it's hard to judge because no one's there and we 605 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: can't know whether a little bit when you're going that fast, 606 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 3: a little bit of of a favoring of the of 607 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 3: the injured leg might have led her. 608 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 5: To crash into the gate. 609 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: And that's what really caused the crash, was not necessarily 610 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: anything that anything visible that she did or noticeable that 611 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 3: she did with the leg an injured leg, and she 612 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: hit the gate and got caught up in it, and 613 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: that caused the crash. And so I don't think that, 614 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: I mean, we can't know for sure. 615 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 5: Only she does. 616 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: But she went down that hill twice and the second 617 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 3: day had the third best practice time, and so there 618 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: was reason to believe that she could compete for a medal. Now, 619 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 3: as it turned out, with the way the course went, 620 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 3: I mean, she was on the very edge of having 621 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 3: any chance, because it was the skiers who went right 622 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: in the middle of the order. 623 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 5: Who posted all the metal times. The ones that came 624 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 5: late it was like they were skiing through the snow 625 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 5: in my backyard. 626 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 3: And the ones that went early were the ones who 627 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: were sort of pioneering the course. So at thirteenth in 628 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: the order, I don't think that even if she'd gotten 629 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 3: down the hill clean and at her best, I don't 630 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 3: know that she would have been able to meddle. But 631 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 3: the fact that she was able to come back and 632 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 3: give that a go I have great admiration for her. 633 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: Mike has always great stuff. I appreciate the insight. We 634 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: will do it next week. 635 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 5: I can't wait. Mark, Thank You's Mike. 636 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: The course of Liverpool Neil nil in the thirty first minute, 637 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: so Mike and I couldn't botch play by playing color 638 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 1: by interrupting for a goal Mike brought to us by 639 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: South Fills Kia. 640 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: We got Zeiss at the top of the hour.