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Speaker 1: You're hintingbo KCD talk station, A very happy Monday to you.

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Speaker 1: Always made it extra special. Happy for me and I

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Speaker 1: hope you as well. Homa, Vice mayor of the City

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, gets a spot to vent his spleen. We

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Speaker 1: call it the smith Van Christopher Smithman, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show, my friend. Love having you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks for having me on, Brian, I've got a

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Speaker 2: lot to say. You know, we have this holiday called

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Speaker 2: Opening Day in Cincinnati, and it's been a holiday since

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Speaker 2: eighteen sixty nine. It's been around one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: seven years, right, and it's never ever experienced what we

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Speaker 2: experienced last week. Never, right, even in the toughest times,

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Speaker 2: We've always had a day where we said, everybody, put

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Speaker 2: down whatever's going on in your mind and we're going

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Speaker 2: to celebrate the opening day of the Reds. Come down

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Speaker 2: with your peanuts and your popcorn and your kids and

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Speaker 2: take in a day of baby ball, take in the parade,

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Speaker 2: and have a good time. We always had a mayor

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Speaker 2: that was in the parade, that participated in the parade,

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Speaker 2: that organized the parade, and absolutely was in town during

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Speaker 2: the Opening Day parade for one hundred and fifty seven years.

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Speaker 2: And then we meet Avtab and he decides that he's

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Speaker 2: going to go on spring break. But before he leaves,

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Speaker 2: he says, we're going to open up free bus service

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Speaker 2: Of course, no curfew for opening day, right in the

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Speaker 2: heart of Cincinnati Public schools being on spring break. That's

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Speaker 2: his way of saying, I am prepared. I am prepared

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Speaker 2: community for our national holiday, our regional holiday, our local

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Speaker 2: holiday that everybody respects for one hundred and fifty seven

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Speaker 2: years until Mayor assets and this is what we get.

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Speaker 2: We get a council that's absent, we get a mayor

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Speaker 2: that's absent, we get an administration that is absent, and

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Speaker 2: we don't have any leaders that have the moral courage

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Speaker 2: to just denounce it. This was bad, this was wrong.

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Speaker 2: This is not our best moment. We've got people out

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Speaker 2: there justifying it, trying to say what white people do,

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Speaker 2: but we don't see it on video. We're just highlighting

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Speaker 2: what's happening in the black community. No one's talking about race.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about behavior. This was behavior that was unbecoming

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Speaker 2: of anyone, no matter your race. This is about young

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Speaker 2: Americans without direction, without parental oversight. Where was Mom? Where

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Speaker 2: was Dad? Where was Grandpaul? Where was Auntie? Where was uncle?

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Speaker 2: Where were our pastors? You cannot have young people drop

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Speaker 2: jumping on the backs of cops and don't think somebody's

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Speaker 2: gonna get killed one day. Think about that officer when

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Speaker 2: that young man jumped on his back, that officer could

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Speaker 2: have easily turned drawn his weapon, thinking, this guy's about

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Speaker 2: to open fire. And today, guess what would be happening.

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Speaker 2: Guess what the discussion would be happening right now. The

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Speaker 2: mayor would be on holding press conferences. We're going to

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Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. You'd have all kind

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Speaker 2: the bottom of this. This young man was awesome. He

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Speaker 2: was a wonderful person on his way to do whatever

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Speaker 2: he was just jumping on the back of a Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: That's been around one hundred and fifty seven years. Save me,

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Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, I am so frustrated this morning by the

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Speaker 2: lack of common sense that this mayor, this council. This

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Speaker 2: administration absolutely lacked and what they did is laid this

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Speaker 2: in the lapse of our Cincinnati Police Department. Who are cops.

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Speaker 2: They're not dads, they're not uncles. They do that at home.

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Speaker 2: They've got to handle that when they get off their ships.

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Speaker 2: They got to go home and take care of their

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Speaker 2: everybody else. That's our job. And obviously there were parents

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Speaker 2: know where their children were. And at the end, remember

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Speaker 2: our mayor wasn't in town with one one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: putting on our best best foot forward. Our downtown was clean,

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Speaker 2: our officers were tight their badges, and everybody's sitting there saying,

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Speaker 2: it's opening day. We're happy, we're excited. We had weather

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Speaker 2: on vacation on spring break. Right.

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Speaker 1: That speaks volumes and amid the swirling suggestions that these

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether that's true or not. Maybe the

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Speaker 1: deal with it. Who knows. Let's get more from Christopher

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Speaker 1: Smitheman after his quick word here from my good friends

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Speaker 1: at us antilation. It's a great problem. Seven thirty here

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Speaker 1: fifty five KERCIT Talk station. You're trying to make it

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Speaker 1: a happy Monday. Brian Thomas with Christopher Smithman, former Vice

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Speaker 1: mayor of the City of Cincinnati, offering his thoughts and

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Speaker 1: comments in the segment we call Oh the smith Van

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Speaker 1: Christopher Smithman, I know you're going to go someplace else probably,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I just work about this opening day thing.

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Speaker 1: Very excellent summary of the realities of the storied Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: tradition that sort of went sideways. I can call it that.

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Speaker 1: Obviously terrible optics for the city of Cincinnati, and I

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Speaker 1: thinking to myself, Okay, we all saw it, so we're

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Speaker 1: less inclined maybe to go down to the Reds game.

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Speaker 1: But what about Octoberfest or Tatsu's Taste of Cincinnati, these

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Speaker 1: other major events we have downtown. I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a bit of a deterrent for anybody that

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Speaker 2: This is like, like your segue could not have been better.

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Speaker 1: Oh good.

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Speaker 2: Here's the text message that I got from a good friend,

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Speaker 2: her daughter, their daughter, husband and wife in the middle

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Speaker 2: of all of this. Thank god she left before too

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Speaker 2: much of the rioting occurred. I'm really just beside myself

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Speaker 2: as a mom. I love Cincinnati and I want my

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Speaker 2: kids to settle here. Think about that statement, but how

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Speaker 2: can I encourage that when all of this garbage is occurring. Also,

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Speaker 2: it's never going to end until the crimes are punished.

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Speaker 2: And then she went on and said, I think Kentucky's

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Speaker 2: response of closing the bridges is powerful as well. Make

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Speaker 2: sure make sure the governor knows that also, my daughters

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Speaker 2: and their friends prefer to go out in Kentucky because

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Speaker 2: it's safer. Think of all of the revenue Ohio is

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Speaker 2: now to lose. The reality of it is the people

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Speaker 2: that had the common sense, which with Kentucky said listen,

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Speaker 2: we're shutting it down. You're not coming across the bridge.

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Speaker 2: In one hundred and fifty seven years that has never happened.

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Speaker 2: Border security, Border security, dude, where they're saying, whatever we

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Speaker 2: got going on down here, we're watching the reds. Our

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Speaker 2: customers and our visitors are enjoying themselves over here in

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Speaker 2: our bars and in our restaurants, and they're shopping until

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Speaker 2: they could drop. Guess what. We're not going to let

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Speaker 2: the mayhem that's happening in Cincinnati pour over into our state. Now,

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Speaker 2: that's a powerful statement coming from Kentucky. And if we

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Speaker 2: get our act together voters in Cincinnati, voters in our region,

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Speaker 2: because it's not just Cincinnati, We've got craziness happening in

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Speaker 2: together statewide with voting, we are going to have very

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Speaker 2: serious problems. Brian Thomas. We know that elections have consequences.

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Speaker 2: We just didn't know it would destroy a one hundred

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Speaker 2: understand that when we voted in November that it would

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Speaker 2: destroy a one hundred and fifty seven year tradition, our holiday.

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Speaker 2: What defines us in Cincinnati, the kickoff of Great weather,

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Speaker 2: the solidarity of us as a people in Cincinnati around

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Speaker 2: one sport, this American sport. How dare the mayor be absent?

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Speaker 2: How dare this council be absent? We voted for them,

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Speaker 2: I didn't, but I want to support them because I

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Speaker 2: love Cincinnati. How dare them be absent on our one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty seven year tradition. They are absolutely incompetent,

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Speaker 2: all nine of them, The mayor, the city manager, all

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Speaker 2: members of council should be thrown out on their dog

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Speaker 2: off boots. Period. I am sick and tired of all

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Speaker 2: of the race baiting. This is what's happening. We're concerned

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Speaker 2: about the baby. No, we're Americans in a culture that

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Speaker 2: is deteriorated so bad that a young man could run

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati police officers and find somebody in this city that

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Speaker 2: thinks it's okay. What do they do? They have a

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Speaker 2: King's March the next day and nobody says a word

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Speaker 2: about it. You know why? Because the liberals are more

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Speaker 2: interested in capturing the vote and not turning off African

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Speaker 2: bad behavior It has nothing to do with race. It

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Speaker 2: has to do with bad behavior. You can still love

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Speaker 2: This is not about all African American people. This is

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Speaker 2: not about all white people. This is not about all Latinos.

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Speaker 2: This is about behavior as a very small group of

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Speaker 2: people that this council and this mayor have decided that

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Speaker 2: they would rather protect the criminals and the bad behavior

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Speaker 2: than me. And I'm speaking for all law by citizens,

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Speaker 2: straight or not straight. I get to be safe as

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Speaker 2: I walk down the street to my car, and I

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Speaker 2: don't want another lecture from this dog on mayor or

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Speaker 2: this council about my feeling safe in downtown Cincinnati. Guess what,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel safe. I'm the former vice mayor of

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Speaker 2: the City of Cincinnati, and I'm not going downtown. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna concealed carry and I don't want to kill anybody

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Speaker 2: because I'm not gonna take somebody jumping on my back,

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Speaker 2: punching me in my face. Anybody who goes to my

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Speaker 2: football girl. That woman could be dead. She could be dead.

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Speaker 2: Everybody in that video should be arrested. There should be

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Speaker 2: updates that are happening. We've identified these young people, We've

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Speaker 2: arrested everybody, though. I'm sick and tired of it. As

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Speaker 2: you can tell morning, you're well beyond personal. This is

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Speaker 2: beyond personal, Brian Thomas. We have a decay going on

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Speaker 2: in this city, and we have enough leaders that are

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Speaker 2: willing to just turn the other cheek and keep moving

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Speaker 2: for their own politics.

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Speaker 1: M pause. Bring Christopher back. I don't think he's finished yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad about that. Seven thirty seven right now. If

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Speaker 1: you about Karrisee the talk station station seven forty here,

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Speaker 1: if you do you have karrosee the talk station Brian

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Speaker 1: Thomas with Christopher Smithman smither Van. That's an understatement. He

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Speaker 1: is on a terror this morning, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: a positive thing. Christopher, have at it. Man. Didn't sound

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Speaker 1: like you were finished, brother.

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Speaker 2: No, brother, Look look, because we know what counsel is

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Speaker 2: going to do right now. They're going to fall in

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Speaker 2: and start talking about we need to expand our rec

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Speaker 2: center hours. You know this is going to help the babies.

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Speaker 2: Who are walking around downtown with blocks. They're gonna say

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Speaker 2: things like, it's the guns, it's the guns. The guns

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Speaker 2: are the ones that are shooting the guns, not the

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Speaker 2: people with their fingers on the trigger of course, who

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Speaker 2: are making the decision to kill somebody or to hurt somebody. Right,

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Speaker 2: everything is an excuse right now, right, all this, Oh

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Speaker 2: that my kid didn't have this, I didn't have that.

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Speaker 2: My father came up or his front lawn was dirt,

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Speaker 2: his house wasn't level. You walked in the front and

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Speaker 2: then you went downhill from there one floor. You could

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Speaker 2: see from his front door to the back, and the

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Speaker 2: house had more than one person living there. Dude, my

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Speaker 2: father didn't come up with anything. But my grandfather had

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Speaker 2: a vision for my dad which was greater than himself.

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Speaker 2: that our visitors are safe. That's what we need to do.

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Speaker 2: the governor, Mike Dewayne, and say, listen, why weren't our

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and you know you're the type of father

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a it's an American event like Junete, like

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Speaker 1: Well, would you have concern at the black since all

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Speaker 2: Well? Their Black Family Reunion has had problems with people

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Speaker 2: it's just whatever the event is, all Americans are coming

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Speaker 2: Brian and I support you. The people that's listening audience

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Speaker 2: And by the way, it tells you that Chief Fiji.

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Speaker 2: again creating chaos within our police department. Meaning, make a

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Speaker 1: Well, I just think it goes away to negate this

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Speaker 2: No. And the crazy thing about it is there are

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Speaker 2: I'm giving those voices right now, a loud, loud voice

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Speaker 2: We're looking We're looking like you're looking like, geez, what

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Speaker 2: We've we've got the pride parade up downtown, house a mayor.

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Speaker 2: This is not the time. Yeah, you'll be at that.

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Speaker 2: This is not the time to be on a k right.

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Speaker 2: be the mayor. Bottom line, but they voted for this.

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Speaker 2: Eighty percent of people in this town, in these fifty

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Speaker 2: We just didn't understand that he was willing to throw

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Speaker 1: Hard lessons can be learned. Question is will people remember

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