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Speaker 1: You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteenth third.

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Speaker 2: Well you sure have. What's up?

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, I'm Legger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for listening. Hopefully you're having an unbelievable Tuesday. Paul Danner

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Speaker 3: Juniors here from The Athletic and the Growler podcast.

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Speaker 4: Covering the Bengals, fighting about the Bengals, podcasting about the Bengals,

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Speaker 4: and tweeting about the Bengals at Paul Danner Junior, there's

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Speaker 4: a few things to discuss.

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Speaker 2: How are we doing doing good? How are you good?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 6: I always like it when we record something Tuesday morning

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Speaker 6: on the podcast and it's already old news by the

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Speaker 6: time I reach you here at three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're talking about Mike Tomlin, talking about Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 3: out done, stepping down in Pittsburgh with time left on

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Speaker 3: his contract.

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Speaker 6: One man remains the dean of AFC North coaches, I

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Speaker 6: mean almost the dean of the NFL at this point.

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Speaker 2: I mean you're talking.

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Speaker 6: He's on the short list of longest ten yured coaches

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Speaker 6: in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I just was retweeted it. There's red, Yeah, there's like seven.

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Speaker 6: Him and Lafleur came in the same very close to

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Speaker 6: the same time. I just retweeted it. I have to

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Speaker 6: go find the exact list here. Let's see. So Red

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Speaker 6: McVeigh seventeen, you had McVeigh, Shanahan and McDermott was the

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Speaker 6: seventeen class. Obviously Andy Reid was hiring twenty thirteen. And

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Speaker 6: then you have Zach Taylor and Matt Lafleur in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: The old head. There's the old heads, Laflour and Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 6: I mean, incredible that this is where, this is where

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Speaker 6: we're at, but this is where we're at.

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Speaker 3: This is there felt like last night watching that game

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Speaker 3: against the Texans, there felt like a sense of finality,

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Speaker 3: especially listening to Troy Aikman talked during the broadcast about

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers as well, but Mike Tomlin and maybe having

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Speaker 3: his pick of broadcasting jobs during the game there there

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Speaker 3: felt like that felt like it. Yeah, that there there

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Speaker 3: this is over, this is it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: It has a feeling of like one of those worst

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Speaker 6: kept secret deals where the certain people knew yeah and

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Speaker 6: were hinting and trying not to say what they kind

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Speaker 2: And then especially when you get into something like a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, uh yeah, it felt like that what it's this

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Speaker 6: is going to be such an interesting dynamic because the

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Speaker 6: Steelers are still in purgatory. Yeah, Like, I still Tomlin

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Speaker 6: to me, while it was old and stale or whatever

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Speaker 6: you want to call it there and they lost these

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Speaker 6: playoff games, he's still a good Like, he's still a

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Speaker 6: really good coach. They were in roster purgatory. Yes, more

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Speaker 6: than coach purgatory. Agree, Like, I think that Tomlin has

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Speaker 6: every ability to win in the postseason despite the struggles

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Speaker 6: that they've had. They just haven't been able to figure

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Speaker 6: out quarterback. They have invested in aging players, and maybe

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Speaker 6: part of that is he's worked them too hard during

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Speaker 6: the course of the year. You can debate the philosophy

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Speaker 6: and I just don't know that anybody can come in

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Speaker 6: where the league sits outside of another version of the

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Speaker 6: band aids that they've been doing with these free agent

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Speaker 3: You think of nine, ten years ago when they had

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Speaker 3: Ben Roethlisberger still was you know about a B a

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Speaker 3: And then since the immediate aftermath of that to now,

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Speaker 3: the offense every year for them has looked exactly the same. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Houston exacerbated that last night with that defense. And I

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Speaker 3: don't watch every Pittsburgh Steelers game, but watching them as

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Speaker 3: of the league, it feels like, independent of coordinator, quarterback, personnel, weaponry,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, if.

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Speaker 6: You bring in somebody with more of a modern offensive philosophy,

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Speaker 6: the whole league at this Yeah, but they've never done

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Speaker 6: you never know. I mean, think about how outside of

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Speaker 6: I mean he was not even really I mean he

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Speaker 6: off the mat. Who is that right? And he's been

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Speaker 6: here that long. They're not afraid to do that. And

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Speaker 6: you gotta feel like you can get an incredible coach

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Speaker 6: just due to the stability that you know you're gonna

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Speaker 6: for me. But you know, the fallout in the North

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Speaker 6: is Okay, we keep talking about the pressure on this

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Speaker 6: team to win in twenty twenty six, like this is just.

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Speaker 2: One level up.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of the same way of talking about this

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Speaker 6: past season where there it was, it was accessible when

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Speaker 6: you wasted a chance. This feels like you had the

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Speaker 6: year where your offense was super healthy, you went nine

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Speaker 6: to eight and didn't make the playoffs, right, you had

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Speaker 6: the year this past year where the North was a disaster.

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Speaker 6: You get Joe Burrow back in record time and you

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Speaker 6: still can't make You couldn't find a way to have

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Speaker 6: make the playoffs. The entire division is now changing head coaches,

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Speaker 6: except in your pump up the continuity. If you can't

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Speaker 6: this division, that's three strikes, right, And I think we've

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Speaker 6: it's felt that way for a while, and it certainly

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Speaker 6: feels like this is only putting more of a spotlight

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Speaker 6: on the just extreme pressure cooker of this year for

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Speaker 6: Zach Taylor, and who knows, maybe by connection when you

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Speaker 6: look at the support statement put out by Mike Brown

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Speaker 6: Duke Togan as well.

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Speaker 3: And then if things don't work, the Bengals will just

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Speaker 3: hire Mike Tomlin, trade for apparently, Oh that's right, Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean you know he's got one more year left

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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin does on his coaching contract, correct, right, So

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Speaker 3: if you wanted him now, you'd have to trade for him.

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Speaker 2: My guess is the Bengals aren't gonna do that.

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Speaker 3: But you and I both know if Mike Tomlin is

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Speaker 3: not coaching a team in twenty twenty six, this entire

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Speaker 3: be the apple of our eyes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Oh, this will happen with so many I mean, this

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Speaker 2: Is it? Is it gonna be? I guess is it

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Speaker 6: Is it gonna be something like Belichick where he's doing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm imagining that's a studio role.

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Speaker 3: uh panthers, uh buccaneers on the third Fox Team.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, that's that's the path, right, that's the

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Speaker 6: Sean Payton path here at this point, right, I mean,

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Speaker 6: it for the number one seed in the AFC. And

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Speaker 6: I'm sure Mike is like, I would love to actually

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Speaker 6: and that'd be nice.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals have a quarterback. You do have a quarterback,

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Speaker 2: So so here you go.

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Speaker 3: So there it is. I know he's got ties to

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Speaker 3: for a mom and pop franchise before, right, I mean

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Speaker 3: the difference division, the differences between the Bengals and Steelers

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Speaker 3: that many. So yeah, Mike Tomlin, Bengals head coach, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Seven sounds good. Sure, market Town.

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Speaker 3: All right, you're at the Big press conference on on Friday.

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Speaker 3: I was Big Media Events the event you wrote about

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Speaker 3: your takeaways? I did, Oh, I love when I love when.

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Speaker 2: You print him out for me.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, because it's easier for me to high stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm still a big print guy.

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Speaker 1: I know you are.

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Speaker 2: Besides, we have reams of paper here that somebody is

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Speaker 6: I was just thinking about how big of a prink

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Speaker 6: I was like, oh, mo's got to be like getting

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Speaker 3: So a few things and we're up against it. So

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Speaker 3: first one would be that thing on Friday took on

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Speaker 3: a life of its own. It's an hours hour long.

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Speaker 3: There's people who don't cover the team who are there.

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Speaker 3: We're promoting it like it's a game. It doesn't have

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Speaker 3: feel like that event, the Duke Tobin end of year

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Speaker 6: It felt like he suggested as much at the end,

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Speaker 6: we always want this, And I feel like it's fine

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Speaker 6: not making the playoffs, is you have to do this

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Speaker 6: because it's it's fine, Like, if you make the playoffs,

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Speaker 6: your schedule ends up closer to where he was talking

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Speaker 6: in Mobile anyway. But if we could just have it

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Speaker 6: in Cincinnati, I think everyone would appreciate that. But I

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Speaker 6: if that's what he's saying, that he's happy to do that,

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Speaker 6: then I think this should one hundred percent be a

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Speaker 2: There's no reason it shouldn't.

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Speaker 6: He's in this position and he should have to answer

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Speaker 6: those questions and it was fine. I do think it

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Speaker 6: a year when we were talking, you know, even further

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Speaker 2: Is up right now. I didn't know what to do.

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Speaker 6: The audio was The audio was fine, Yeah, the audio

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Speaker 2: Why can't we figure this out? I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: So a few things about the press conference Megapress conference,

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Speaker 3: Do you believe if Duke Tobin had complete and total

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Speaker 6: like you can, it's gonna cost you. You can't get

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Speaker 6: elite three techniques without paying out the notes. And there's

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Speaker 6: really not gonna be any So whether you're talking about

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Speaker 6: looking to the draft for that, that certainly seems the

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Speaker 6: most likely that somebody up there is in and a

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Speaker 6: draft that will have that. And then Caleb Downs as

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Speaker 6: well is gonna be in that conversation obviously just by

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Speaker 6: the nature of how good he has been. And then

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Speaker 6: we'll have premium position conversations that everybody loves. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's clearly pass rush as the focus of I would

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Speaker 6: think for agency and the draft in some capacity.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we do have to talk.

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Speaker 3: I have a couple of questions about next year's Duke

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Speaker 3: Tobin Mega press conference.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then we have to get to your list of

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Speaker 3: free agencies. And I'll try to replicate the sound that

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Speaker 3: I made. Okay, when I read one of the capsules

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Speaker 3: about the the guys who are due to leave the

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Speaker 3: Bengals if they don't resign them.

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Speaker 6: I have a feeling that just knowing your history here,

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Speaker 6: you know where this is going right to one person immediately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So before I printed it, I hit control F

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Speaker 3: and I typed in two words, Geno Stone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, got right to it.

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Speaker 3: I read the rest, but yes, I you should have

464
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Speaker 3: just started with him. The picture here should not be

465
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Speaker 3: of Trey Hendricks. I don't care about him, Gino Stone.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that when we come back. It's twenty

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Speaker 3: eight away from four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati Sports Station. It's at twenty three from four o'clock.

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Speaker 3: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moeger with Paul Danner Junior

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Speaker 3: from the Athletic dot Com and the Growler Podcast. If

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Speaker 3: you missed it, Mike Tomlin steps down his head coach

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Speaker 3: of the Pittsburgh Steelers after nineteen seasons. Of course, in

473
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Speaker 3: those nineteen seasons, the losses never outweighed the wins. Congratulations

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Speaker 3: to him. The Houston Texans points dramatically outweighed Pittsburgh's last night,

475
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Speaker 3: thirty to six, which means Marvin Lewis got to mention

476
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Speaker 3: on TV last night seven straight playoff losses.

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Speaker 6: Do you feel like you gotta feel like Marvin went

478
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Speaker 6: to the wine cellar and found an extra nice bottle

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Speaker 6: last night to celebrate not being the sole owner of

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Speaker 6: the seven straight playoff.

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Speaker 2: Losses you had to have had to have. That's got

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Speaker 2: to feel good.

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Speaker 6: Although the flip side is people are gonna bring up

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Speaker 6: the fact that you also had seven straight playoff losses,

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Speaker 6: where that people had kind of probably forgotten that for

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Speaker 6: a while.

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Speaker 2: Now I haven't forgotten. I haven't. Manye, those watching the

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Speaker 2: broadcast probably had, but I know you had.

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Speaker 3: Next year's Duke Tobin mega press conference events. Will he

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Speaker 3: continue to mention Joe Flacco?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Specially he's back, you know.

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Speaker 8: So.

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Speaker 3: A former athletics director at U See once gave me

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Speaker 3: an authentic throwback basketball jersey, which I thought was really

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Speaker 3: nice and I was deeply appreciative, and I sent him

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Speaker 3: a handwritten thank you note and then when I framed

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Speaker 3: it and hung it in my basement, I took a

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Speaker 3: picture of it and sent it to him. Made just

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Speaker 3: a point of expressing my gratitude. For the next two

501
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Speaker 3: and a half years, every time I saw this guy,

502
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Speaker 3: he would bring up the jersey that he gave me.

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Speaker 3: How's that jersey I gave you? It's awesome, looks great

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Speaker 3: at my wall. Hey, remember when I gave you that jersey?

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Speaker 3: Is this how Duke Tobin's gonna treat Joe Flacco? Or

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Speaker 3: three four years down the road, assuming he's in his

507
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Speaker 3: current capacity, he's going to remind us, oh'd you like

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Speaker 3: that Joe Flacco game against the Steelers?

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Speaker 2: Remember when I traded for him? Is this going to

510
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Speaker 2: be the new thing?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 2: Sure, every time we ever met.

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Speaker 3: By the way, it was Mike Boone, I'm stunned.

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Speaker 2: I'm stunned. Stunned.

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Speaker 6: No, uh yeah, because anytime we talk about the trade

516
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Speaker 6: deadline again, m m you.

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Speaker 3: Know he remember, didn't even wait to the deadline last

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Speaker 3: year and.

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Speaker 6: Say we don't make deals in season anymore. That traded

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Speaker 6: for Joe Flacco. Anytime we talk about quarterback injuries, I'm

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Speaker 6: sure we'll never have to talk about quarterback injuries anymore?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Anytime? You know, we we talk about willingness to part

524
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Speaker 6: ways with draft picks at some point do business with

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Speaker 6: a division, the division rival to the can't remember that?

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Speaker 6: And next time they play Pittsburgh remember last time? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's gonna be There's there's there, it is, It's right there.

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Speaker 3: I mean he showed up with that notepad. Did he

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Speaker 3: just write Flacco on it?

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Speaker 6: I would like actually to see what was exactly on that.

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Speaker 6: I don't feel like something that just said Flacco with

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Speaker 6: a little heart next to it or something or a star.

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Speaker 3: Here's what the press conference needs next year. You need

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Speaker 3: that lady who covers the Jacksonville Jaguars, Lynn Jones, to

535
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Speaker 3: just go in there and remind you that he's doing

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Speaker 3: a great job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Are you really a sports writer if you haven't weighed

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Speaker 3: in on that situation in Jacksonville?

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Speaker 6: Yes, because I consider myself a sports writer, and I refuse, Okay,

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Speaker 6: I'm just not. I'm just because to me, I, in

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Speaker 6: my opinion, the proper response is to not have an

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Speaker 6: opinion on it, because here's the thing, something weird can

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Speaker 6: happen in a press conference. And also to roll my

545
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Speaker 6: eyes and we'll move on, Like I don't do I

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Speaker 6: agree that that should be happening in a press conference. No,

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Speaker 6: but not to the point like whatever, something stupid happened,

548
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Speaker 6: and you move on and go about your day. It's

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Speaker 6: not something that needs to be the end of the world.

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Speaker 6: It's not an epidemic happening in press conferences across our

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Speaker 6: great country right where every single press conference has some

552
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Speaker 6: very nice lady telling somebody how great they are. That's

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Speaker 6: not happening if this was becoming an issue in like

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Speaker 6: press conferences everywhere are bogged down by empathetic, nice women,

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Speaker 6: Like what are.

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Speaker 2: We talking about?

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Speaker 6: Like, it's just a weird thing that happened in a

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Speaker 6: press conference. Weird things happened, altil Yeah, so okay, you move.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't have to be a statement on the end

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Speaker 6: of journalism as we know it in and like this

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Speaker 6: just can't Like, I mean, what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: I just I don't understand why it has to be

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Speaker 2: such a thing.

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Speaker 6: And I guess now I just broke my own rule

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Speaker 6: by having an opinion on it.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you remember, for about three days the

567
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Speaker 3: Reds were gonna hire ron Oaster as the manager, and

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Speaker 3: we had somebody here who wanted me, as like a

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Speaker 3: twenty year old producer to dress up as the Oaster

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Speaker 3: Bundy and go to the press conference and pass out eggs.

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Speaker 3: And I, even at that young age, knew that's not

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Speaker 3: a good idea. So, uh, you know, I've been in

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Speaker 3: meetings where we have kicked around the idea of defying

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Speaker 3: the sanctity of the press conference. Fortunately, great journalism mine

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Speaker 3: like me stepped up and said, no, would you like.

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Speaker 6: To talk about the sanctity of a press conference to

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Speaker 6: somebody who watched a little person come in and ask

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Speaker 6: questions to more?

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Speaker 2: That's right? When he called Johnny Manzila midget. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he showed up the next day and sat front

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Speaker 2: and center.

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Speaker 8: Sanctity. Look, it's open man. Yeah, do with this space

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Speaker 8: what you would like? Andy Reid when he starts his

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Speaker 8: press conference, has time's yours?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Do with it what you'd like? Yeah, do with it?

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Speaker 2: What you'd like is my page. I do have a question.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite things about any sports press conferences,

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Speaker 3: in any moment of levity, it feels like there's an

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Speaker 3: obligation to laugh more extremely than the moment allows.

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Speaker 2: I think we got that on Friday. Uh yeah, who

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Speaker 2: by us laughing or him?

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Speaker 3: So Duke made a reference to Kelsey's question and he said, oh,

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Speaker 3: you don't want to come to Mobile. And then there

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Speaker 3: was you know, I thought it was a lighthearted moment.

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Speaker 3: There was a falling in that room, and I so

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Speaker 3: here's my question, Like, in that moment, that's it's not tense,

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Speaker 3: but it's it's a guy talking about the team that failed.

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Speaker 3: It's his responsibility. It's it's not going to be uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, a comedy routine. He's not gonna do stand up.

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Speaker 3: But in a moment like that where there's just a

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Speaker 3: little tiny unease, is there sort of an unwritten rule

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Speaker 3: that you're supposed to laugh louder than the moment actually allows,

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Speaker 3: as if the joke is funnier than it really is,

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Speaker 3: just to break the tension.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we call it weakscribe laughter. Okay, where it's like,

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Speaker 6: you know, we admit that we're weak. We're just trying

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Speaker 6: to keep it. We're just trying to like play along here. Okay.

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Speaker 6: I don't know about extra, but there is also a

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Speaker 6: need to have like some sort of other emotion other than,

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Speaker 6: like you said, a little bit of tension that existing

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Speaker 6: in that room, so that anything that resembles comedy, even

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Speaker 6: in the like faintest of terms, feels funnier in that

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Speaker 6: room than it actually is, just by the nature of

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Speaker 6: everyone kind of wishing that they were in a place

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Speaker 6: where laughter was accepted.

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Speaker 3: It reminded me of being in court for my divorce

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Speaker 3: when the just said something that was not that funny,

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Speaker 3: but it lightened the tension a little bit, and all

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Speaker 3: parties in the room decided that we were watching Mitch

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Speaker 3: Hedberg at his prime.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, in fairness, In fairness, I probably laughed loudest at

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Speaker 6: the Mobile because I am happiest to not be going

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Speaker 6: to Mobile anymore.

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Speaker 3: I don't blame you one more thing about the press conference.

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Speaker 3: You folks who cover the team and do a great job,

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Speaker 3: and the Bengals beat core is collectively awesome. And I

628
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Speaker 3: said this to you on your podcast, and I'll reiterate

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Speaker 3: it today. As a fan, I wish that setting would

630
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Speaker 3: have been limited to you guys. I get that that's

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Speaker 3: not realistic. How do you guys feel when the folks

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Speaker 3: who typically aren't there or typically don't cover sports come

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Speaker 3: in and they've got questions When there's a finite amount

634
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Speaker 3: of time and you don't know when your next opportunity

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Speaker 3: for a Duke Tobin availability like that is going to be.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't love it because, like I said earlier,

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Speaker 6: it's not the best way to talk to Duke or

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Speaker 6: have a conversation with him to get real answers. But

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's it's there, it's open. I would

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Speaker 6: love I would love for there to be a qualifying

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Speaker 6: circuin number like you have to have been at seventy

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Speaker 6: five percent of Zach Taylor Wednesday press conferences. There's something

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Speaker 6: to be to earn admission to the Duke Turbine end

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Speaker 6: of year deal, right or.

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Speaker 2: Something like that.

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Speaker 6: I would be, I would be I would support something

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Speaker 6: like that where people that have been there all year

648
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Speaker 6: and and but everyone has a right to be there.

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Speaker 6: I like, I have always liked the Duke Tobin side

650
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Speaker 6: sessions at the Combine probably of anything we do with

651
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Speaker 6: him all year. And in fairness, you know, I you know,

652
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 6: take shots at mobile right, pretty good? Yeah, like for

653
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Speaker 6: us for me, now not for everyone else, I understand,

654
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Speaker 6: because not everyone's going to go down there. There's no

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Speaker 6: TV element, it's very unorganized, there's not a lot of structure,

656
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Speaker 6: but you know you're getting it's if you're willing to

657
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Speaker 6: go there, it can be worth it. I like when

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Speaker 6: we go to Indianapolis and we're able to it usually

659
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 6: is just the beat group that goes. It's away from

660
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Speaker 6: the podium that most people see much more much more

661
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 6: conversational and we know, you know there's a lot you're

662
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 6: closer to things about to happen in March. So I

663
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Speaker 6: I've always liked that as my favorite of all the

664
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Speaker 6: availabilities during the year. Mock Turtle Soup's a little crazy

665
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 6: and it's more focused on the season and other stuff.

666
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 6: There's the whole road MIC's going that day. That's always

667
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 6: been my my the best environment in my opinion, And

668
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 6: so yeah, I mean that's but the it's whatever they

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00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 6: want it to be. Like I'm happy that they're doing

670
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 6: it there because it didn't it needed to be put

671
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 6: into that space. It needs to be in the lights.

672
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Speaker 6: Like that's that's important that that moment exists.

673
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Speaker 3: You broke down as you do every year, the pending

674
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: free agents, who stays, who goes, and you kind of

675
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: encapsulate each guy with where things stand, what they've accomplished,

676
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: and then you put a percentage on their chances of returning.

677
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: I want folks to read the piece, but I highlighted

678
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Speaker 3: here Gino Stone chance of return fifteen percent. Yeah, this

679
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: is fifteen percent higher than it should be. Years ago,

680
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: when the radio station was in Mount Adams, you know,

681
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: we would share a building with a parking garage and

682
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: people would park in that garage to go to the bars.

683
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Speaker 3: And one night I had to go as a young

684
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Speaker 3: kid to run extra innings, and so I went to

685
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Speaker 3: UDF to get something to eat, got a hot fudge Sunday,

686
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Speaker 3: and I'm getting on the elevator on a Friday or

687
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: Saturday night, and there's a couple on the elevator engaged

688
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: in amorous behavior. Oh and as the elevator door swings open,

689
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: there are these two people in various degrees of undress.

690
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Speaker 3: And I made a sound that was exactly the sound

691
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: that I made when I saw fifteen percent chance that

692
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: Geno Stone is gonna come back. I would try to

693
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 3: make the sound for you, but I am coming off

694
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: having a cold, and my voice is a little scratchy,

695
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: but it was high pitched, it was sudden, and it

696
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Speaker 3: was disconcerting.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure you were going with that. That's the

698
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Speaker 2: exact sound that I made.

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Speaker 3: I went to it. I hit all f read to

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Speaker 3: think about Gino. You were you were generous in assessing

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Speaker 3: his play chance of return fifteen percent.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because I've not gonna rule him out as a backup.

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00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 6: Like to me, if backups play too well, not if

704
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 6: they're behind genostone.

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Speaker 2: But it's to me, it's I think that's what he is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's a backup safety in the NFL,

707
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Speaker 6: CFLs I.

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Speaker 2: There's a fifteen is a not a big number. Okay.

709
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 6: It's just if you get to a position where they

710
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 6: sign a safety and they're like, well we need a backup,

711
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 6: and he's out there and he's basically signed for the

712
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 6: league minimum, and he knows the system and can be

713
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Speaker 6: in the reserve role, then it's not impossible.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna rule that scenario out.

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Speaker 6: If this was the starting number, it would be like

716
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Speaker 6: one percent or whatever, you know, I would. I do

717
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Speaker 6: not see a world where they're running back Gino's stone

718
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Speaker 6: is the starter.

719
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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 6: Last year, I didn't see a world where they said

721
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Speaker 6: we believe in you and then gave him a pay

722
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 6: cut and kept him out there all year, right, even

723
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Speaker 6: though the play was poor.

724
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Speaker 2: Yes, that said, I.

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Speaker 6: Don't you know, I don't see that snarre. The one

726
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 6: is if there's a backup role, then there's a backup role.

727
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: This cup of water that I'm holding.

728
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Speaker 3: If I said take a drink and there's a fifteen

729
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: percent chance you will die, would you take a drink? No,

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Speaker 3: you would go fifteen percent. That's a pretty good chance

731
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna die. Tell I feel about Genostone, Dalton Riisner

732
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Speaker 3: seventy five percent?

733
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Speaker 2: Why is it that low?

734
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Speaker 6: It's the Bengals, it's guard, it's you know, Dalton has how.

735
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Speaker 2: Much of a pay raise would he would he get?

736
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Speaker 6: He's a good question, James, James Repene and I have

737
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 6: had some passionate debates about this.

738
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't think.

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is a guy that's never made more

740
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 6: than three He's a veteran in his career. He's basically

741
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 6: made the league minimum, you know, this past year. But

742
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 6: waited all the way to the end hoping there would

743
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Speaker 6: be a market for him. At some point there wasn't.

744
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 6: He signed up for one and change, so did what

745
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 6: he was good and he he they found a role

746
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 6: and everyone's vouching for him. But was he league minimum

747
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 6: to five million per year better than he has been

748
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Speaker 6: his entire career.

749
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: It's probably in the middle there somewhere. There's probably a

751
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 6: version of a two years eight with some sort of

752
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 6: something that everybody feels like they're happy that where you

753
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 6: land in this, But I don't know that there's a

754
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 6: history of him holding out and and you know, holding

755
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 6: out in the terms of not signing immediately last year,

756
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 6: like last year and years before that.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't the first time that, but he has said

758
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Speaker 3: that's what he doesn't want to do, doesn't want to do,

759
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: and but the Bengals have to get that done. So

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Speaker 3: I I, you know, seventy five percent is still on

761
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 3: the high side. But there's the twenty five percent of

762
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: guard re Reisner's history ambiguity. I think that goes into this.

763
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Speaker 3: I think everyone would like to get it done.

764
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Speaker 2: But I don't know. Fre agency is weird man stuff.

765
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Speaker 2: Weird stuff happened.

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Speaker 6: This does feel like as you have put it, this

767
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 6: does feel like the layup. Do you still have the

768
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 6: hoop and the ball? I do, yeah, okay, I do

769
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Speaker 6: like that. I still feel it's like that but I so, in.

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Speaker 3: All seriousness, what I do with some of these is

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Speaker 3: I try to I try to guess what value you're

772
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Speaker 3: going to put, what percentage you're going to put.

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Speaker 2: I nailed it with Joe Flacco.

774
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty three. I didn't nail it with any of

775
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 3: these other guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought Reisner would be higher. I thought, Ohsai

777
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: would be a little higher. I think I put it

778
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Speaker 2: at thirty. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh, you're obviously operating with a lot more back on

780
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: knowledge to me. But I nailed it with Joe Flacco.

781
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it is. I mean, Duke Tobin

782
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: mentioned eight times and then.

783
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Speaker 6: There and they would love to have him, right, but

784
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 6: it's just not in their court because they have they

785
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 6: can't offer the one thing he wants, and that's to play.

786
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 6: Somebody might offer him the ability to play, and he's

787
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 6: going to choose that place over this one more than

788
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 6: likely because he wants to play and no one would

789
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 6: blame him. And but I definitely think there's whatever scenario

790
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 6: exists of if he, you know, doesn't want to sign

791
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,479
Speaker 6: up to be a backup, but is in a starter

792
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 6: somewhere that he can just hang out, especially after he did.

793
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: What he did this year.

794
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 6: Why do you need to get in I mean, maybe

795
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 6: he just wants to be around the guys or whatever,

796
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 6: but he doesn't need to do that. So it's I'm

797
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 6: really curious to see how that plays itself out and

798
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 6: how necessary Joe feels like it is to have his

799
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 6: team set in the summer, how necessary the Bengals feel

800
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 6: like it is knowing Blacko could get picked up by

801
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 6: any team in the league at any point if you

802
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 6: isn't under contract with them, to then fill that with

803
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 6: somebody else, whether it be a Tyrod Taylor or any

804
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 6: number of traditional backups that you would hear thrown around there, right,

805
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Speaker 6: So what is that?

806
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: What does that look like? I don't know.

807
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 6: That's an interesting little puzzle for them to figure out.

808
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 6: I'm sure in a perfect world they would say, Joe Flacco,

809
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 6: we will sign you for one year's one year and

810
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 6: five million dollars and you can be our backup and

811
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Speaker 6: mark that down today. I'm sure they would be happy

812
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Speaker 6: to do that. I just don't think Joe's going to

813
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 6: do that.

814
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: When does the mock off season exercise? Hand deep in

815
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Speaker 2: the sheets right now, trying to go through it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very tedious every position, trying there's not a

817
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 6: lot of you know, there's not even a lot of

818
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 6: markets out there for what the free agents to be

819
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 6: are going to be. So I'm trying to figure out

820
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 6: what values are going to be on every guy and

821
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 6: remember how the Google doc works, and I'm in that part.

822
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 6: It's always it's the it's the darkest before the dawn.

823
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 6: I'm at that part where I'm like, I'm never gonna

824
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 6: make it. Every year I reach a point in the

825
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 6: mock off season sheet where I say I'm just never

826
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 6: gonna get it done. But it is supposed to be

827
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 6: out next week. Well I feel like that. I feel

828
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 6: like it's I'm hoping it's gonna happen, but I'm in

829
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 6: a dark place with it right now.

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Speaker 3: What I remember about last year's exercise is my glee

831
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 3: and cutting ginostone, so I get to replicate that this year.

832
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: But also I I I bang my fist on the

833
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: table for Milton Williams, Yeah, who I watched single handedly

834
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Speaker 3: wreck the LA Chargers.

835
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

836
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Speaker 6: A takeaway of the weekend for me was look at

837
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 6: all of these great defense and tell me what's one

838
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 6: thing they have in common? Just game wrecking defensive tackles. Yeah,

839
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Speaker 6: across all of these games, you know what I mean,

840
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 6: just changing everything.

841
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 3: But I might have a ceremony when I cut Genostone.

842
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: There's no cut.

843
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 6: Well, there's when you ceremoniously pick a different safety.

844
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, literally any human being alive. Gina Stone is

845
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: probably an awesome guy, and here I am just destroying

846
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: the dude.

847
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not fair.

848
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 6: Yet he's he's nice enough.

849
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: He I'm sure he's a wonderful man, but it's not

850
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: about that whole boy. No, Well, thank you as always great.

851
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: Make sure you catch the Growler podcast and read Paul's

852
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: work at the Athletic dot com. Follow him at Paul

853
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 3: Danner Junior. And we'll talk to you next week.

854
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 6: I look forward to hopefully you'll be healthy enough next

855
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 6: week and you can make the sound.

856
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want. I want to hear what it is.

857
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: I'll see what I can do.

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00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but by then my throats at like eighty five percent. Yeah,

859
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: but yeah, very good. It is four minutes away from four.

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00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna give away Reds Fest tickets next hour. If

861
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: you know your Red's off season acquisition so you don't

862
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: have to do a ton of boning up. This is

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty. Cincinnati Sports Station ESPO fifteen thirty, Bonus

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Speaker 3: six acts or four. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Moeger. Thank you for listening.

866
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: Awesome stuff with Paul Dayner Junior over the course of

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Speaker 3: the last hour. By the way, something I said to

868
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Speaker 3: him I was thinking about over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: It is I think undeniable.

870
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: That there are folks who are you know, have been

871
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: Bengals season ticket holders or not even season ticket holders,

872
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: but you know they pay money to go to a

873
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: game or two who have said I'm not doing this

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00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: anymore financially. I think it's absolutely undeniable. I've seen folks

875
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 3: say like I'm done, And maybe it's a combination of

876
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 3: the team's performance and the cost of going to games

877
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: and having other stuff to pay for that is undeniable.

878
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: They lose season ticket holders when they go to the

879
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: super Bowl, so it goes without saying that they probably

880
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: have lost customers people spending money with them in the

881
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: aftermath of how this past season unfolded. But I do

882
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: always laugh when I hear and I get it more

883
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 3: with the Bengals than I do the other teams. Oh,

884
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: there's apathy. Apathy is gonna set it. Apathy is like tanking.

885
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: Apathy is something we talk about but we don't actually practice.

886
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: I hear about Bengals apathy all the time. Then I

887
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 3: see what the ratings are for their games when they're

888
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: on TV, which every single one is. I know what

889
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: Bengals related topics do on this show as opposed to topics

890
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: for any other entity in town. And I know that

891
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: nearly every even casual Bengals fan I know last Friday

892
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: at one o'clock was in some way, shape or form

893
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: paying attention to the Duke Tobin press conference, most of

894
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: whom knew Friday was gonna be pretty much a nothing burger.

895
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: And yet folks claiming apathy. I'm out, I'm done. What

896
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: were they doing on Friday? Paying attention to a prescott

897
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: Maybe hoping for a show that really didn't happen, Maybe

898
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: hoping for some insight into how things are going to

899
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 3: be done differently that really didn't happen. But regardless of

900
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: the motivation for paying attention, people were paying attention, which

901
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: honestly I thought was pretty cool. I mean, in mon

902
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 3: Friday at one o'clock, every sports fan in towns listening

903
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 3: to the same thing which I thought was I thought

904
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: was neat. Mike Tomlin's out in Pittsburgh steps down after

905
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: nineteen years, and you know, there's, as there often is

906
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: in life, room for multiple truths. I have not watched

907
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: every down of every Pittsburgh Steelers game, of course, because

908
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm not a Steelers fan and i don't live there,

909
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: But I've watched enough that I think there's room for

910
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 3: multiple truths. Mike Tomlin's coaching career has been awesome and

911
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: may continue to be awesome if it continues, either this

912
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: year or next year, next season, twenty twenty seven, somewhere else.

913
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 3: And in your mind's eye, you know what a Mike

914
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: Tomlin coach team looks like. And for years, as a

915
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 3: Bengals fan, I was envious of that. You know, as

916
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: much as people have said, well, his teams played dirty,

917
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: I've watched his team's play with an edge. I've watched

918
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: his teams play with a nastiness that as a Bengals fan,

919
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 3: I've wanted the Bengals to play with and by the way,

920
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 3: at times when they have tried to play with that

921
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: same edge and nastiness, it's worked against him. Head to

922
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 3: head against the Pittsburgh Steelers to have nineteen seasons. As

923
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: much as we kind of make fun of this, I

924
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 3: don't know that you make fun of the accomplishment. Maybe

925
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 3: you make fun of the hyper focus on the accomplishment.

926
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 3: Nineteen straight years without losing more than winning. That's a

927
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: cool accomplishment. I think one of the more interesting and

928
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: neater stretches, if you will, in all the sports is

929
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: the fact that the Pittsburgh Steelers have had three head

930
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: coaches since nineteen sixty nine. I could say all those things.

931
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: I think all those things are true. I also think

932
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: it's true that just watching from where I sit and

933
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: for where people sit who are a lot closer to it,

934
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 3: it just felt like it was time. It just felt

935
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: like it was time for that franchise to, with respect

936
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: to the head coaching position, hit the reset button. By

937
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: the way, I listened to a fair amount of Pittsburgh

938
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: sports talk radio because there's a couple of hosts in

939
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh who are really good at what they do. And

940
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: it's interesting if you listen to fans in Pittsburgh complain

941
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: about the organizational structure of the Pittsburgh Steelers, they sound

942
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: a lot like Bengals fans talking about the Rooney family,

943
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: where fans will talk about how cheap they are, how

944
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: they have outdated facilities, there being a lack of innovation,

945
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: that the family is a little bit too involved, and

946
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 3: that they're too stubborn, that they're too unwilling to make changes.

947
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: It does sound a lot like a lot of the

948
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: things that people here have said, quite fairly for the

949
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: most part about the Brown family and the Bengals. That

950
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 3: compare contrast, I think is pretty striking. I do think

951
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 3: what's interesting about that franchise. I guess there's two things.

952
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: One with Mike Tomlin and I thought this last night.

953
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: The Houston Texans just bullied them and the game frankly

954
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: should have been more lobsided.

955
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: CJ. Stroud was terrible last night. Woody Marks was not.

956
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 3: The Texans ran the ball effectively, but that defense, which

957
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 3: has been so good for most of the season, was dominant.

958
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: And Tony and Austin were talking about this.

959
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't like they were coming up with a bunch

960
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: of exotic blitzes and coverages. It was we're going to

961
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: rush for and we can get to you, and we'll

962
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 3: cover in the back end. He can't beat his downfield.

963
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: Quarterback's not going to have any time. He's too slow

964
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 3: to evade our rush, and so we're gonna swarm them,

965
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: and they did. What's interesting in recent years has been

966
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 3: interesting in recent years about the Steelers under Mike Tomlin,

967
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: who has had an otherwise extraordinarily good head coaching career.

968
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: Is that brand you know, when you think in your

969
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: mind's eye, what a Mike Tomlin coach team looks like

970
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: has not been what they've played like in big games

971
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: in recent years. You know, it was striking. They lost

972
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: in the in the wildcard round last season to Baltimore,

973
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: and I think most of us would agree if you

974
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: paid attention last year, the Ravens were just better. But

975
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: in that game, which was in Baltimore last year, the

976
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: Ravens just lined up and pushed him around.

977
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: Again.

978
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 3: Didn't didn't do anything extraordinarily creative, didn't rewrite their offensive playbook,

979
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 3: just lined up and beat him.

980
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: Derek Henry ran for one to eighty six. Lamar Jackson

981
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: ran for eighty one in that game last night.

982
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: The Houston Texans just pushed him around, beat him, ran

983
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 3: the ball, and then defensively just bullied Aaron Rodgers. In

984
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: recent years, it has felt like the Steelers brand, which

985
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: to a degree has predated Mike Tomlin but certainly is

986
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 3: identified with Mike Tomlin coach teams, the brand doesn't match

987
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: what's on the field. It's like I used to say

988
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: that about Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning's brand was uber, cerebral quarterback,

989
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: but then in playoff games for years would do dumb things.

990
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: I feel like the Steelers kind of the same thing

991
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: in recent years. And I say this as look, man,

992
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 3: I'm probably just like you. The Steelers couldn't have lost

993
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: that game by enough last night, Like there is there

994
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 3: is not a franchise in professional sports that I root

995
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: against with more passion than the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I

996
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: think most Bengals fans are in the same boat. You

997
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: probably are as well. But just looking at it objectively,

998
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 3: I think it's been a few years since the Pittsburgh

999
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: Steelers struck fear in you because we're not going to

1000
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: be able to match their intensity. I remember before the

1001
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: Thursday Night came, we did a pregame show. When Joe

1002
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: Flacco helped beat the Steelers here on that Thursday night,

1003
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: we did the pregame show Down at the Holy Grail,

1004
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: and I was on with Lance McCallister and Rocky Boyman,

1005
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: and you know, rock elt Rock played for the Steelers

1006
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: for I think six games, but we were talking about

1007
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 3: how that game, which Pittsburgh was four and one, the

1008
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 3: Bengals were reeling Burrow is hurt. Season feels like it's

1009
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 3: about to circle the drain, and Rocky was making the point.

1010
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: I love Rocky Boyman, but Rocky was making the point like, well,

1011
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: it's a Tomlin coach team, so you know they're going

1012
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: to bring a fight.

1013
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: To the game.

1014
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: And I went, yeah, I don't know, man, because in

1015
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: recent years that that hasn't felt like the case. And

1016
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: so when you're a head coach and you've got this

1017
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: identity and you've got this brand, but the identity and

1018
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 3: brand aren't being mirrored by what's happening on the field,

1019
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: maybe that's a signal that perhaps a change for all

1020
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: parties involved is necessary, because I do think it has

1021
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: been a while and watching the Bengals just head to

1022
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 3: head against Pittsburgh, but also watching the Steelers in playoff

1023
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 3: games were really felt like the Steelers were the aggressor.

1024
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: And when Mike Tomlin's teams have been at their best.

1025
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 3: I've always felt like from a physicality standpoint, those teams

1026
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: have been the aggressor. I also feel like, and I

1027
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 3: know I mentioned this to Paul last hour, and this

1028
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 3: is not Steeler's talk, but it is an AFC North team,

1029
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 3: it's arguably the Bengals' biggest rival. Oftentimes we do it,

1030
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: we use the Steelers at a as a bit of

1031
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 3: a barometer for the Bengals. I do think in watching them, though,

1032
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: whether it's the last I don't know, two or three

1033
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: years of Ben Roethlisberger or Russell Wilson or Justin Fields

1034
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: or Aaron Rodgers.

1035
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: This season, I feel like, for the most part, Pittsburgh.

1036
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 3: Steelers offenses for a while have all looked and felt

1037
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: the same.

1038
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: I left out Kenny Pickett. I guess I left out

1039
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph.

1040
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 3: I feel like for a while, you know, we used

1041
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: to joke about on this show, Ben Roethlisberger toward the

1042
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: end of every season would make you wonder is he

1043
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 3: coming back?

1044
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: Is he not going to come back?

1045
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 3: And we would like pray for him to come back,

1046
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 3: like Ben, yes, please come back, because there was just

1047
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: something I don't know. Punchless about that Pittsburgh offense. It

1048
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: has looked no matter who the coordinator has been, no

1049
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 3: matter who the quarterback has been, no matter who the

1050
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: main weapons have been, that offense has looked the same

1051
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 3: now for a while. That's not an indictment on last night.

1052
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: Last night, to me was about the Houston Texans against

1053
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: a quarterback who's too old and too slow to be

1054
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: able to get out of the way of four dudes,

1055
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 3: just winning at the point of attack, but just watching

1056
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: them and following the league as I do, and watching

1057
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: the Steelers with a little bit of a closer eye

1058
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: than maybe other teams and other divisions that aren't rivals

1059
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 3: with the Bengals. You know, in the mid twenty tens,

1060
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 3: they had an offense with Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown

1061
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 3: and Ben Roethlisberger was still a very capable player. And

1062
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 3: then as that decade kind of came to a close,

1063
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: and I think for pretty much all of this decade,

1064
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: that offense has looked and felt the same. And so

1065
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: if I'm a Steelers fan, I guess what I want

1066
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 3: to know, And even as a Bengals fan, what I

1067
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 3: want to know is with a new head coach, and

1068
00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 3: I guess quite likely a new quarterback. How does that change?

1069
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: How does how does that part of a change right?

1070
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: How does the offense which they're kind of stuck in purgatory.

1071
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: They haven't been bad in recent years. They've had a

1072
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 3: lot of teams that have either snuck into the playoffs

1073
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 3: or this year winning. Is it a getting to the

1074
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: postseason as a division champ. They're not picking in the

1075
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 3: top five, they're not picking in the top ten. How

1076
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: do they get out of purgatory? And how do they

1077
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 3: get unstuck on the offensive end, because for a while

1078
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: their offenses have looked and felt the same and I'm

1079
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 3: not sure how much of that is on the head coach.

1080
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 3: There you go, twelve minutes on Mike Tomlin. Uh, that

1081
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 3: might end this series. Just for whatever reason, decided to

1082
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 3: answer me. Five point three seven nine fifteen thirty is

1083
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 3: our phone number. We talked sports and law with uh

1084
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 3: Stuart Penrose from Manila Law Group every Tuesday at four

1085
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: thirty five. I want to get to enforceability of college

1086
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Speaker 3: contract because you have the situation with the QB at

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Speaker 3: Washington who signs a new deal and then tries to

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00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: go to the portal, then goes back to Washington. We

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00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 3: have UC apparently getting a buy out from the Brendan

1090
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 3: Soresby deal with Texas Tech, and so I think this

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Speaker 3: is We did a long discussion last week about the

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00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: current kind of state of college sports. I'm interested in

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00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 3: how these contracts are supposed to get enforced when the

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00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 3: players aren't technically employees. We'll do that coming up in

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Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. Plus, we've got some Reds Fest tickets to

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Speaker 3: give away later on ESPN fifteen thirty. Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 10: I mean you see Cincinnati and iHeartRadio station Guaranteed Human

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Speaker 2: I heard radio.

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Speaker 3: of ourselves twenty four at for four. This is ESPN

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00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. Thanks for listening today. I'm Oeger. Let's tick

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Speaker 3: a phone call or two if I won three seven nine,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: For having a non desk job.

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00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: I am flooded with papers and paperworking here and that

1107
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense, So pardon me for the rustling

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Speaker 3: in the background. Ron and Milford, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Ron,

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00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: good afternoon, How are you.

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Speaker 7: Oh no, I'm Okay, when I saw Paul's list, I

1111
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 7: gotta tell you, I almost spit through my tongue when

1112
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 7: I saw Geno Stone at fifteen percent, Because, as you said,

1113
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 7: if there was a negative percentage that we could attach

1114
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 7: to it, that's what it ought to be. Now, when

1115
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 7: I tell you this, I'm not trying to get any

1116
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 7: pity or sorry or make anyone sad. But this is

1117
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 7: a true story. So years ago, Ron from Milford was

1118
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 7: paralyzed and had to learn how to walk again. Now

1119
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 7: if you saw me today, you wouldn't notice mo, You'd

1120
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 7: think that that's just Ron from Milford, right, awesome. Well,

1121
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Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure that Genostone could not tackle me. I

1122
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 7: could juke him, he would fall down, him on his face.

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Speaker 7: I mean we saw it though, over and over and

1124
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Speaker 7: over again. I mean, one little move the dude's fall

1125
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 7: into the ground, or if he's trying to hit you,

1126
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 7: he just bounces off of you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, no, I don't he's played. He's played terribly. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't want him anywhere near this football team. And look,

1130
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Speaker 3: I mean we're we're it sounds like we're picking on

1131
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: the guy. The Bengals had other issues on the defensive

1132
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 3: side of the ball this year. But but Gino's play

1133
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: the last two seasons has been glaringly bad. You know,

1134
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 3: a year ago at this time, we were thinking about

1135
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: what are they going to do to replace him? And

1136
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 3: they didn't, and so, okay, fine, let's see if different system,

1137
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: different coordinator, another year, familiarity with the French, whatever it is,

1138
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: is going to bring out the best in him. And

1139
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: he was often even worse. And I appreciate the nice

1140
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: things that Al Golden has said about him. He's taking

1141
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: up for his guy. All that's well and good. I

1142
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 3: do not know how you could objectively watch, excuse me,

1143
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: watch him play football for the Bengals last season and

1144
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 3: arrive at the conclusion that he should have any role

1145
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: on your team, starter or backup. No, and mo.

1146
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Speaker 7: The fact is, I mean, how humiliating is it when

1147
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 7: they got to come to you and say, you know what,

1148
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 7: you're so awful that we want you to take a

1149
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 7: pay cut?

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Speaker 5: Is that okay?

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Speaker 7: And then he realizes that, oh, you know what, I

1152
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 7: probably have no other choices. I better go ahead and

1153
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 7: take this pay cut because I don't know if anyone

1154
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 7: else in the NFL will bring me.

1155
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Speaker 3: Aboard well, and then I would love to explore the

1156
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 3: alternate universe where he says, no, I'm not taking a

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Speaker 3: pay cut.

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00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: What would plan B have been?

1159
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: It was such a weird offseason as it relates to him,

1162
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Speaker 3: because they demonstrate confidence in genostone by not signing a

1163
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 3: safety and free agency and not drafting one. But then

1164
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 3: weeks after the draft you act asked the dude to

1165
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 3: take a pay cut. Well, that sort of undermines the

1166
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Speaker 3: confidence that you apparently had. And what would plan B

1167
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Speaker 3: have been had he told them, uh, uh, pound sand

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Speaker 3: I'm not taking a pay cut. If they cut him,

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Speaker 3: then what do they do? Or would they have said, Okay, fine,

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Speaker 3: you know, we'll pay you the same, Uh, we'll bring

1171
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: you back no hard feelings.

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Speaker 2: I want to know what plan B would have been

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Speaker 2: that he told him No, I'd like to know.

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Speaker 7: I'd like to know that too, Mo, because let's face it,

1175
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Speaker 7: like you said, had they told him to go pound Rocks,

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01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 7: what what would he have done? I mean they I

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Speaker 7: don't think you know, I think they would have probably

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Speaker 7: just kept him because they at that point, I don't

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Speaker 7: think there was anybody available that they would have paid

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Speaker 7: for because we're how cheap we are, so they wouldn't

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Speaker 7: have been able to find the proper person to fill

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Speaker 7: in his role.

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01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: Probably right.

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Speaker 3: No, look, it was an acquisition that didn't work. They

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01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 3: brought him back last season, it didn't work. I don't

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01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: know what would compel anybody to believe that suddenly the

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01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 3: light bulb is gonna go on and it's gonna work,

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01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 3: whether again, whether he's a starter or a backup this

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Speaker 3: coming season.

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Speaker 7: He can't even play special teams.

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Speaker 11: B He's awful.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, like with special teams, I need you

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01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 3: to take the right angle, like and that watching him, Man,

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01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 3: I've never played a down of safety in my life,

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01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: but I've watched enough to know what it looks.

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Speaker 2: Like when a guy's taking bad angles.

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Speaker 3: On special teams. I need you to take the right angle,

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01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 3: just like I need you to take the right angle

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Speaker 3: on defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And I think he was a bad influence on Jordan

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01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 7: Battle because I feel like Jordan Battle prior to you know,

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01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 7: mind you he was a rookie prior to Gino Stone

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01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 7: showing up. But I feel like Jordan Battle had some

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01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 7: instances where he showed he could play. Then you bring

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01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 7: Geno Stone in and Jordan Battles play seemed like it

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01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 7: got worse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Jordan Battle, Thank you, Ron. I don't

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01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: think anybody is opposed to Jordan Battle being on the team,

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01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 3: but Jordan Battle being on the team should not preclude

1211
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 3: them from looking for upgrades or depth at the position.

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Speaker 3: Depth was an issue this year. They kept putting out

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Speaker 3: a guy who was clearly not performing all that well

1214
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Speaker 3: instead of the players behind him.

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Speaker 2: So that tells you they need better backups.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to see Genostone be one of those backups.

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Speaker 3: How do you enforce a college football players contract? We'll

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Speaker 3: get that answer and more.

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Speaker 2: Next ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's Sports.

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Speaker 3: Twenty seven from five o'clock. This excuse me is ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty Maul Egger. Thank you for listening today and

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Speaker 3: putting up with the final remnants of a killer winter cold.

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Speaker 3: More calls, mainly on the NFL coming up here in

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Speaker 3: just a bit.

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Speaker 2: We've got to do a few minutes.

1226
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Speaker 3: On college hoops, and we'll give away some tickets to RedFest.

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Speaker 2: Coming up in the next hour.

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Speaker 3: On Tuesdays, we spend some time chatting with Stuart Penrose,

1229
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Speaker 3: attorney Manilo Law Group. He answers our questions about sports

1230
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 3: and the law, and today we're going to talk about

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01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 3: college football and basketball players and other college athletes and

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Speaker 3: the enforceability of their contracts. Stuart, it's awesome to have

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Speaker 3: you as always. Good afternoon, No, good afternoon.

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Speaker 11: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you doing this.

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Speaker 3: So everybody asks questions about you know, college athletes. They

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01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 3: sign contracts, and yet it feels like they're not binding.

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Speaker 3: And perhaps the most high profile example is this kid

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Speaker 3: at the University of Washington, Demond Williams, who signs with

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Speaker 3: the Huskies to continue to play quarterback there, and then

1241
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 3: a couple of days after signing his contract puts his

1242
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 3: name in the transfer portal. Now he has sensed decided

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Speaker 3: to go back to Washington.

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Speaker 2: And I think at.

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Speaker 3: First glance, what a lot of his said is, well,

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Speaker 3: wait a minute, he signed a contract. Contract's got to

1247
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 3: be binding, contract's got to be enforceable. But he's technically

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Speaker 3: not an employee. So how does a school, how do

1249
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Speaker 3: any of these schools enforce these contracts?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's wild. I mean, like you said, college players

1251
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 11: aren't employees. You know, contracts exist, but they're not with

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Speaker 11: the schools. No they're with the nil collectives and other

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01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 11: third parties. Schools can't force someone to play. They can

1254
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 11: certainly pull someone's scholarship, but they can't force you to play,

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01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 11: taking it more like a scholarship deal than a pro

1256
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,959
Speaker 11: a pro contract. You can't make someone you know, suit

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Speaker 11: up with the subpoena here.

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Speaker 3: All right, So does the school have any recourse at

1259
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 3: all or outside of the athletes becoming employees. Is there

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Speaker 3: something that can be done, perhaps even down the road,

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Speaker 3: that would allow them to hold these players accountable to

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Speaker 3: the contracts they've signed.

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Speaker 11: Well, the problem with the schools fighting this is that,

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01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 11: as we talked about, they're not employees. Would be any

1265
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 11: rule that blocks the player from from leaving or stops

1266
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 11: other schools from recruiting them is probably going to violate

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01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 11: anti trust law, which we were getting into in the

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Speaker 11: last couple of weeks. Courts don't like agreements that retrain

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Speaker 11: straight restrained trade. College athletes don't have a union or

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01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 11: to negotiate restrictions. So you know, basically recruiting is kind

1271
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 11: of a free for all marketplace right now. You know

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Speaker 11: schools can.

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01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: Pitch, players can pick, and you know there are no referees.

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Speaker 3: We've we've seen reports that you know, Brendan Soresby, the

1275
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Speaker 3: former UC quarterback, has agreed to go play at Texas Tech.

1276
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 3: And as a part of this deal, uh, the University

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Speaker 3: of Cincinnati is going to get a one million dollar

1278
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 3: buyout paid to the school by Brendan Sorosby. Is is

1279
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 3: this a possible solution? Could we see this becoming a

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Speaker 3: regular thing like we do with coaches who are being

1281
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: paid or have to pay buyouts all the time.

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Speaker 11: It's put into it can be put into an NIL

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01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 11: contract if it would like Demond Williams, for example, if

1284
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 11: he did ultimately reach Houston, you know, he'd have to

1285
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 11: get back you know, whatever money was already prepaid to

1286
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 11: him in the contract is an I on contract and

1287
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 11: that's to be expected. Certainly you could put you know,

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01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 11: a buy out of some sort in there.

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Speaker 1: But it's a bit different than with the coach.

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Speaker 11: There's less peace to it because there's not a school

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01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 11: attaching itself to it. It's the NIL collective per se

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Speaker 11: doing it.

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01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 3: What would some of the legal obstacles be if the

1294
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: solution was to make the athletes employees.

1295
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Speaker 11: And at FUSS law first and foremost, they still want

1296
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 11: to protect an amateur model. Does this blow up the

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01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 11: NCAA completely? Is there a way to do it where

1298
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 11: it doesn't violate anti trust? If you make them employees,

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01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 11: how do you have a payscale to determine who gets

1300
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 11: to How would you fund the noun money sports and

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01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 11: keep them afloat because.

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: You're now going to have to pay those players as well.

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01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 11: It basically opens Pandora's box and to a nuclear option.

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01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 3: Would each of the fifty states having different laws prevent

1305
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 3: something like this.

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01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 11: Would make it very difficult for there to be unison

1307
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 11: on it. Absolutely mo Absolutely, state laws wanted to do

1308
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 11: their own things and have their own caveats can absolutely

1309
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 11: get in the way.

1310
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 3: Would there be obstacles presented by the fact that you

1311
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: have public schools and private schools?

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Speaker 11: Yes, So getting everybody aboard in the same boat a

1313
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 11: little the same rats together on this one is about

1314
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 11: as impossible as you're going to find.

1315
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 2: So essentially, you're a college football coach.

1316
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 3: You can go, in this particular instance, you can go

1317
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 3: sign a quarterback that you think, you know what, this

1318
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 3: is going to be our guy, and in reality, while okay,

1319
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 3: he's agreed to come and he's going to take the

1320
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 3: scholarship money. The fact that he has signed a contract

1321
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 3: to play for you certainly doesn't guarantee at all that

1322
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 3: he is actually going to step foot on the football

1323
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 3: field for you.

1324
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Speaker 11: No, it does not, And he doesn't have a contract

1325
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 11: with the school again, the contracts with the nil collectives

1326
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 11: or whatever the third party that got him there, he's

1327
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 11: not required to play at all. Now he'll have to

1328
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 11: give back the money that he got from that nil collective.

1329
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 11: He might have to pay some sort of buy out

1330
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 11: if he's a premier player like Storesby just did. But no,

1331
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 11: he's not bound to do it. Now. What you could

1332
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 11: look with the athletes could be doing what they could

1333
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 11: risk here Mo is blowing their reputation. It seems like

1334
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 11: that demon Williams saw the writing on the wall with that,

1335
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 11: and you know, wised up and went back to Washington,

1336
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 11: and you know, seems like he made the best decision

1337
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 11: for himself and he saved a lot of faiths doing it.

1338
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 11: So if players press too hard, you know, they could

1339
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 11: they could be put out in the marketplace of being

1340
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 11: a flake. And his schools aren't gonna want to come

1341
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 11: calling after that.

1342
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 3: No, as somebody who is a certifiable Flake. I can

1343
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 3: tell you that's not something that any college athlete wants.

1344
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 3: Stuart Penrose, Attorney, Manila Law Group. You can learn more

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 3: about Manila Law Group about Manilolawgroup dot com.

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01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 2: Awesome insight. As always, we will talk next week. Thank

1347
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 2: you out, you're the man.

1348
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,799
Speaker 3: Stuart Penrose, Manila Lawgroup, Manila Lawgroup dot com. Twenty minutes

1349
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 3: away from five o'clock. There is the answer.

1350
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did.

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01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 3: A topic last week and it was kind of by accident.

1352
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 3: I think it was actually a result of a phone

1353
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 3: call for Mike, just talking about like where we are

1354
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 3: in college sports right now. I when man, I can't

1355
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 3: emphasize this enough, like everybody else, I want everybody to

1356
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 3: get paid. But I cannot imagine how frustrating it is

1357
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 3: for coaches who oversee these large, corporate, corporate, for lack

1358
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 3: of a better term, college football and basketball programs to

1359
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 3: have almost no say in the enforceability of contracts that

1360
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 3: players sign ostensibly to play for one university or another.

1361
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: Remarkable times. We live in nineteen away from five o'clock.

1362
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 3: Five point three seven nine fifteen thirty is our phone number.

1363
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 3: More of your phone calls are coming out. We're gonna

1364
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 3: give away Reds Fest tickets in the five o'clock hour

1365
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 3: as well. You gotta you gotta play stupid trivia. We

1366
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 3: got dumb trivia five point twenty today. Get ready. This

1367
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 3: is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 3: Valentine's Day is a month from tomorrow. Tarran is getting ready.

1370
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 3: My guy does love the sexy time music Little Ralph

1371
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 3: tres Van Valentine's Days on a weekend this year, Tarran,

1372
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 3: trust me, I know, set on a A A it's

1373
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 3: a Saturday of it. So does that mean on Friday

1374
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 3: the thirteenth, nothing but slow jams?

1375
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 5: You get?

1376
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 2: Uh? All right, very good? I U. I look forward

1377
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: to that. I look forward to that. I won't make

1378
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 2: it as awkward this year. You know what, do you do?

1379
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 2: Whatever you want? Was it awkward last year? A little bit?

1380
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: Was it? Did we play something inappropriate? I? Thought? So?

1381
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 2: Are you in charge of the music? Okay? Very good?

1382
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 2: I won't go that deep into the thanks very much.

1383
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 3: It's probably that's probably, uh, it's probably a good thing.

1384
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 3: I've I've been asked if I'm going to talk about

1385
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:39,480
Speaker 3: the planned paper bag protest at the UC basketball game tomorrow.

1386
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:41,520
Speaker 2: Ah.

1387
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 3: Sure, they're eight and eight. Fans are upset. Fans should

1388
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 3: be upset. There's been loud billing. I'm reading from Scott

1389
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 3: Springer who reached out to UC. I guess there's a

1390
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 3: guide that exists as to what you can bring in

1391
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 3: the fifth third arena, and apparently that guide says brown

1392
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 3: bags are not permitted. A clear bag policy. I guess

1393
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 3: they have at UC, so you can wear a clear bag.

1394
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that serves its purpose. Banners or signs,

1395
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 3: unless improved by the athletics department, are not allowed. Nick

1396
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 3: van Exwell has gone to Twitter to say don't wear

1397
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 3: a bag. Miami University has sent a tweet referencing the

1398
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 3: bag protest. Miami's basketball team is seventeen and Ozer I

1399
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 3: would ask, shouldn't that be enough to get fans to

1400
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:44,959
Speaker 3: want to come to Mallett Hall. Look express your displeasure

1401
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 3: however you want. If they let you wear a paper

1402
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 3: bag into the arena, and you want to wear a

1403
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 3: paper bag into the arena, then wear a paper bag

1404
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 3: into the arena they don't let you wear If they

1405
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 3: don't let you wear a paper bag into the arena,

1406
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: then you're gonna have to come up with something else.

1407
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 3: But these things are all the by product of losing

1408
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 3: the escalator at the venue originally referred to as Paul

1409
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 3: Brown Stadium. That venue is twenty six years old. Probably

1410
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 3: half the time. That escalator doesn't work. When the Bengals

1411
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 3: are losing, people complain about the escalator. When the Bengals

1412
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 3: are winning, there are no complaints about the escalator. A

1413
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 3: month or so ago, we had the game against the

1414
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 3: Ravens where it was frigid, not freezer ble frigid, of course,

1415
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 3: but frigid, and they didn't knock the snow off the seeds,

1416
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 3: which they should have done. I mean to me, it's

1417
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 3: just you talk about like making your layups, not as

1418
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 3: much snow off the seeds as you can. It's the

1419
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 3: sort of thing that people complain about louder when you're losing,

1420
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 3: and are willing to let slide when you're winning. My

1421
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 3: point is there's just things that naturally come with losing.

1422
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 2: One of the things that naturally comes with losing is booing.

1423
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 3: Fans are gonna boo the boos the last couple of

1424
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 3: home games have been pronounced, especially after the immediate aftermath

1425
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 3: of the Houston game, you could not ignore it the booing.

1426
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's going to continue.

1427
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 3: Something else that comes with losing is fans don't come anymore.

1428
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: Now. I don't know.

1429
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 3: I don't know how many UC basketball tickets for this

1430
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 3: season have been unsold. I have no idea, but I

1431
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 3: would imagine whatever tickets are unsold, they're having a hard

1432
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 3: time moving those tickets. And then you have folks who decide, well,

1433
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,959
Speaker 3: I've bought my tickets, but I'm not gonna go, okay,

1434
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 3: or you know what, I'll pay for the rest of

1435
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 3: this season, or I'll go the rest of the season

1436
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 3: because I've paid for it, but next year I'm not

1437
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 3: going to go, And then invariably you are going to

1438
01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 3: have demonstrations of displeasure and as for my money, as

1439
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 3: long as you're not hurting anybody, as long as you're

1440
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 3: not getting in the way of somebody else's enjoyment, or

1441
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 3: as long as you're not breaking a rule, do whatever

1442
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 3: you want to do, like stuff like this. Just it

1443
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 3: comes with the territory when there's not winning. I don't

1444
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 3: know that they need the visual of people wearing paper

1445
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 3: bags to understand the displeasure that people feel with the

1446
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 3: lack of on court progress. By the UC basketball team.

1447
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 3: But if that's what you want to do, far be

1448
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 3: it from me to tell you to not do something

1449
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 3: that you're allowed to do. The question is are you

1450
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 3: allowed to do it? And apparently you're not. So if

1451
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 3: you bring a paper bag to the game and try

1452
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,440
Speaker 3: to where it, it feels like it's going to be confiscated.

1453
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 3: Whether or not it should is an entirely different conversation.

1454
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 3: But if you're going to have a clear bag policy,

1455
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 3: then you're probably gonna have a hard time telling people

1456
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: go ahead and bring a paper bag that's not clear.

1457
01:15:55,400 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 3: So I'm frankly more interested in this. The Bearcats on Saturday,

1458
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, on Sunday Night played mostly well enough to win,

1459
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 3: and as much as it is, it has felt like

1460
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 3: the walls are closing in on West Miller in the program,

1461
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 3: and as frustrating as the results have been, and as

1462
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 3: you know, arguably off putting as the postgame interviews have been,

1463
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 3: the one thing that I don't think we have seen

1464
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 3: yet is lack of effort by the team collectively. Now,

1465
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 3: whenever a season starts to spire a lot of control,

1466
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 3: one of the byproducts of that is a question about

1467
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 3: whether or not the effort at some point is going

1468
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 3: to be compromised. Let's say they lose tomorrow playing a

1469
01:16:53,720 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 3: pretty good Colorado team, and then, needless to say, the

1470
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 3: schedule takes an uptick in difficulty where the second ranked

1471
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 3: team in the country comes here on Saturday undefeated Iowa State,

1472
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 3: and the game after that is against the number one

1473
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 3: ranked team in the country, Arizona, which that team is

1474
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: an absolute wagon. So unfortunately, when you're owing three in

1475
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 3: the league in eight and eight overall, you have to

1476
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 3: entertain a scenario where they're oh and six in the

1477
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 3: league in eight and eleven overall, And naturally you wonder,

1478
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 3: and this is no indictment against the character of the players,

1479
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,600
Speaker 3: but you wonder, like, how difficult is it going to

1480
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 3: be for the head coach and for the coaching staff

1481
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 3: to keep these guys together, especially in this day and

1482
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 3: age where there's always opportunities to go somewhere else. And

1483
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 3: I would be willing to bet that that would be

1484
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 3: a topic that Wes Miller wouldn't like to be discussed.

1485
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 3: But it's one of those topics that is a byproduct

1486
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 3: of losing. Just like fans demonstrating their displeasure by either

1487
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,799
Speaker 3: not going, or by booing, or by creating a movement

1488
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 3: where they're gonna wear paper bags. Those things are by

1489
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 3: products of losing. For me, I'm a little bit more

1490
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 3: interested in what this looks like because it's it's it's

1491
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 3: an NCAA tournament or bust year. Frankly, let's call it

1492
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,839
Speaker 3: what it is. This team may't make in the tournament.

1493
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 3: So but Wes is still the coach. If there is

1494
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 3: an if there is an avenue that he could take

1495
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 3: where he could still save his job and be the

1496
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 3: coach next year. I would think that a roadblock would

1497
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 3: be the team falls apart and the efforts not there

1498
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 3: and they get accused of quitting. But you know, yeah,

1499
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't not going to mention it. It's a story.

1500
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 3: It may be a thing tomorrow. Maybe lots of people

1501
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 3: wear paper bags. Maybe there's folks who bring paper bags

1502
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 3: and they don't because the arena staff tells them they can't.

1503
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1504
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 3: But these things are invariably a part of not winning,

1505
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 3: and so the fact that that movement is out there,

1506
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 3: so to speak, is.

1507
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 2: It's sad. Like at the end of the day, I

1508
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 2: think if you love.

1509
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 3: UC basketball as much as I do like, this is

1510
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 3: not what we're supposed to be doing. Certainly not what

1511
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 3: we're supposed to be doing in year five of a

1512
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 3: coaching tenure, and honestly, like in thirty seven years of

1513
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 3: following U see basketball, I can't really remember anything like this.

1514
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 3: I remember mixed early seasons when folks simply weren't going.

1515
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 3: People had just sort of tuned the program out. That

1516
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 3: tune out factor hasn't been there. This is entirely different.

1517
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 3: Coming up on five o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1518
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

1519
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 12: Oh guess what day?

1520
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 2: Sure I do? It's right, It's Taco Tuesday. Taco Tuesday. Yes, yes,

1521
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 2: Taco Tuesday.

1522
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 3: Except I think I'm having left over pork chops tonight.

1523
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 3: I got to be honest with you. I'm gonna get

1524
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 3: off the air. I'm gonna go home.

1525
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 2: I'm'a get him bad. Let's see my family. I've got

1526
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 2: him dat two forty.

1527
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 13: You know.

1528
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 2: I would love I feel like I'm almost say I

1529
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 2: feel like death.

1530
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 3: I need like a good twelve hours, twelve hours of sleep.

1531
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 3: But there's some games I want to watch right starting

1532
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 3: with the Dayton Flyers MI Alma Mater is an action Tonight,

1533
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 3: Dayton's at Duquine u D is three and oh in

1534
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 3: the A ten Virginia Louisville is gonna be a lot

1535
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 3: of fun. Like there's say a handful of games. I

1536
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 3: want to watch yukon Seat and Hall. I'm not sure

1537
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 3: how good the Pirates are, but they have a gaudy record.

1538
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 3: Houston plays tonight. My third favorite team now. But your

1539
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:16,879
Speaker 3: friend Moe could use.

1540
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 2: Like one more long.

1541
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 3: Night because I stayed up last night to watch football

1542
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 3: and not feeling great, and then so I'm paying for

1543
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 3: Nobody cares about this.

1544
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: I have felt better.

1545
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 3: I will I will feel I will go to bed

1546
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 3: tonight at nine o'clock, which is about five and a

1547
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 3: half hours earlier than usual. I will wake up at

1548
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 3: seven forty five, and I will be a new man

1549
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 3: tomorrow and it will sound like it on the radio. Hey,

1550
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 3: we're gonna give away some tickets to go see Redsfast tomorrow.

1551
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 3: By the way, TJ. Friedel's on the show Red Centerfielder.

1552
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 3: We're looking forward to that. And on Thursday. Don't tell Austin,

1553
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 3: but we have Andrew Abbott, who I think Austin likes.

1554
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 3: But Amelia Pegan will also be here, and I don't

1555
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 3: know that Austin's a huge fan of Amilia, but I am.

1556
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 3: Both will be with us in studio right around three

1557
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 3: thirty TJ Friedel tomorrow. But we've got Reds Fest tickets

1558
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 3: to give away. Now we're gonna do this in fifteen minutes.

1559
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 3: We'll need contestants. If you are thinking of playing stupid Trivia,

1560
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 3: by all means, do what you can to get in

1561
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 3: at five point twenty. But the tickets are hard tickets.

1562
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 3: They're like tickets the way they should be, not that

1563
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 3: digital stuff. So you have to come pick them up.

1564
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 3: Reds Fest starts on Friday. So our promotion staff has

1565
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:44,839
Speaker 3: informed me that you basically have two different two hour windows,

1566
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 3: excuse me, within which you can come to pick up

1567
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 3: the tickets, either between noon and two thirty tomorrow or noon.

1568
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:53,759
Speaker 2: And two thirty on Thursday.

1569
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 3: So if if you if you're like you know what,

1570
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 3: I can't get there to pick them up, then Stupid

1571
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 3: Trivia is probably not for you. But if you can

1572
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,879
Speaker 3: get here to pick up the tickets, well, then perhaps

1573
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 3: stupid Trivia four Reds Fest tickets could be for you.

1574
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 3: At five twenty all right. Let's see here, Mike.

1575
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 2: Go ahead. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Mike, good afternoon,

1576
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 2: How are you?

1577
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: You're the man?

1578
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Mo, You're welcome. I have to

1579
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 5: do a severe lambasting editorial piece on the Reds when

1580
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 5: I get done with football, if you'll allow me, oh,

1581
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 5: because I'm sad to help.

1582
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: You know, in the business, we call that a teas, Mike,

1583
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 2: we call that a tease.

1584
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's good.

1585
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 2: That's what you do.

1586
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 5: You do that all the time.

1587
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 1: You really did it.

1588
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 5: What an ideal scenario in Las Vegas for Fernando Mendoza,

1589
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 5: who is clearly the best quarterback in the draft this year,

1590
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 5: in all facets, personality, throwing the ball, decisions, you name it, football,

1591
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 5: to be tutored by Tom Brady. How good can he get?

1592
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 5: And whenever I hear them talk about Fernando Mendoza, my

1593
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 5: mind goes to Fernando Valenzuela. Could you never hear of

1594
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 5: too many baseball players? There are especially football players named Fernando,

1595
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 5: And I think of the portly little Fernando looking up

1596
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 5: at the sky and striking guys out on a regular basis.

1597
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 5: Do you remember him?

1598
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 14: Though?

1599
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,560
Speaker 3: Of course, looked up to the heavens every time he

1600
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 3: went into his wind up, through a killer screwball, through

1601
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 3: a no hitter in nineteen ninety, took the sport by

1602
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 3: storm in nineteen eighty one when the Dodgers won the

1603
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 3: World Series. I am very familiar with Fernando Mania.

1604
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 5: It was a good hitter as well. Was sure he

1605
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 5: was a dark good hitter. The other pitcher I remember

1606
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 5: looking up towards the heavens was Louis Tian to play

1607
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 5: the call correctly. Okay, I'll get off that. I don't

1608
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 5: see any way, Miami Beach, Indiana. I don't see anyway

1609
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 5: unless somebody gets hurt badly.

1610
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't disagree.

1611
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 3: And Miami has been uber impressive upfront, right, but Miami

1612
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 3: did not play a perfect game against Ole Miss. It

1613
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 3: felt like their dbs dropped about five different picks. You're

1614
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 3: gonna have to play perfect against IU, and you're gonna

1615
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 3: have to hope they make the sort of mistakes that

1616
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 3: all season long, and obviously in particular these last two

1617
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 3: games they simply haven't made.

1618
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be maybe not comparisons.

1619
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 3: This feels like they got to finish the deal, So

1620
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 3: which means they got to win on Monday.

1621
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 2: But if they do.

1622
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 3: This, to me, has been the most dominant college team

1623
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 3: since LSU in twenty nineteen. Now, team versus team, I

1624
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 3: think that LSU team was top to bottom better because yes,

1625
01:25:55,439 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow obviously, but the roster absolutely stacked against Ohio State.

1626
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 3: Last year, Ohio State had losses in the regular season,

1627
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 3: nothing against some of Nick Saban's later Alabama teams. This

1628
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 3: feels like the most dominant college football team since LSU

1629
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. To do what they did in the

1630
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 3: Big Ten, to beat Ohio State on a neutral field

1631
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 3: that admittedly was in the state of Indiana, to do

1632
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 3: what they did to bottle that offense, and then to

1633
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 3: win these two games in the lopsided manner in which

1634
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 3: they have is striking. You know, It's one thing if

1635
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 3: Indiana wins the national title, because they get in as

1636
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 3: a five seed and they just you know, they win

1637
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 3: their first round game at home and then win three

1638
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 3: bowl games to go in as the one to win

1639
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 3: the Big Ten, to slaughter the bluest of blue bloods, Alabama,

1640
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 3: to take Oregon behind the.

1641
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 2: Woodshed that they did.

1642
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,560
Speaker 3: If they finished this off and especially if they do

1643
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 3: it in dominant fashion, it's one of the most remarkable

1644
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 3: things we've ever seen. And again, man versus man, I

1645
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 3: would take that twenty nineteen LSU team. Maybe there's some

1646
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 3: bias there, but I think it's a fun discussion to

1647
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 3: have to talk about the two.

1648
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty close. I heard a guy earlier today

1649
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 5: at College Draft Expert talking about the similarities between the

1650
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 5: two teams. He never said Fernando was up to Joe's

1651
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 5: caliber yet, but he said the potential is certainly there.

1652
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 3: You know what I've been thinking about, and I don't

1653
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 3: know if I mentioned this on the show. I was

1654
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 3: thinking about this on Friday night. If you're a Raiders fan,

1655
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 3: and you know, granted, your franchise has screwed up a

1656
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 3: lot of things over the last four decades, but remember,

1657
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 3: if you're a Bengals fan, what it was like to

1658
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 3: watch Joe Burrow play against Oklahoma in the College Football Playoff,

1659
01:27:56,479 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 3: the semi final game. The Bengals had already clinched the

1660
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 3: first overall pick, and there were a lot of people

1661
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 3: who watched that night who, you know, either don't follow

1662
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 3: college football closely or really hadn't paid very close attention

1663
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 3: to Joe Burrow, who were like, all right, wait a minute,

1664
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 3: the guy that we're gonna be drafting is playing in

1665
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 3: the semi final. Less watch him and he was awesome.

1666
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 3: He was awesome. He was also really good against Clemson.

1667
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 3: But one of my favorite experiences as a Bengals fan

1668
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 3: is actually watching Joe Burrow play for LSU in the

1669
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 3: semifinal game against Oklahoma, and you're giddy. And I remember

1670
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 3: my wife saying to me, we're watching the game and

1671
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 3: she's like, wait a minute, that's gonna.

1672
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 2: Be our quarterback.

1673
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,679
Speaker 3: If you're a Las Vegas Raiders fan, I cannot imagine

1674
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 3: how much fun it was on Friday night watching the

1675
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 3: guy you're gonna take number one overall do what he

1676
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 3: did against Oregon.

1677
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:47,839
Speaker 2: That had to have been a blast.

1678
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 3: And so I watched that from the experience of from

1679
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 3: the perspective of experience, but also envy, because I know

1680
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 3: how much fun that is if you're a fan of

1681
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 3: a team that knows you're going to draft a guy

1682
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 3: who was torching other teams in high stakes college football games, And.

1683
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 5: How cool was it to have a neighbor state so close,

1684
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 5: a team so close. It's typically always basketball never ever,

1685
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 5: ever in my life talked about in football context. That's

1686
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 5: what makes it so exciting and so because it's so

1687
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 5: different it is.

1688
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the the what we're doing in college

1689
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 3: sports now has at least helped satisfy the need for

1690
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 3: newness in college football at the top, because this is

1691
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 3: definitely new.

1692
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 5: You predicted it because it had gotten stale Clemson Alabama

1693
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 5: as a Clemson Alabama, and everybody was tired of it.

1694
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 5: I'm sure you were too. Everybody was.

1695
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 11: Yes.

1696
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 5: Sometimes I didn't even care if I watched the championship

1697
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 5: game because I already knew who was gonna win.

1698
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,759
Speaker 2: On new characters, and Indiana's a new character.

1699
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, well I had I'll talk to you later

1700
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 5: in the week about your picks for the upcoming.

1701
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 2: Well, you were going to land base the Reds give

1702
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 2: it to me. I got like to minutes.

1703
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,799
Speaker 5: Okay, So we get Pierre Johnson and I heard Austin

1704
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 5: real Watson the pretty impressive stats for the guy the

1705
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 5: other day, and I thought cool, because I didn't watch

1706
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 5: a lot of Braves games this year. He said he did,

1707
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 5: and he compared him to, uh, he's our guy out

1708
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 5: of bullpen. We got some that that that that they

1709
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 5: brought with him from Cleveland to Borrowow. He compared him

1710
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 5: to Borrowow but less walks, more strikeouts. My question is,

1711
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 5: why would if he was that impressive, why would the

1712
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 5: Braves let him go?

1713
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 3: I have no idea fair question, Yes, sure, yes, Why

1714
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 3: why did the market for him not materialize till mid January? Now, look,

1715
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 3: I think multiple things can be true. I think he's

1716
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 3: probably a solid addition. There's also probably two dozen guys

1717
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 3: just like him who are still unsigned, and so it

1718
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 3: could have it could have been simply is something as

1719
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 3: simple as all right, we appreciate what he has done.

1720
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 3: We can get somebody who's just as good, but maybe

1721
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 3: a little bit cheaper, or just as good, but we

1722
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit younger, or we have somebody who's

1723
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 3: just as good, who's an internal solution already on our

1724
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 3: team or perhaps in our system. But yeah, sure, if

1725
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 3: he's if he's I think he's a nice addition. At

1726
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 3: the end of the day, Mike, I want to know

1727
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 3: where the offense is going to come from. They have

1728
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 3: not done anything to make their offense better using outside players.

1729
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 5: This is what infuriates me.

1730
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 3: Why.

1731
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 5: Now, listen, we've been blasting tobn about stuff. Why are

1732
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 5: we blessed and crawl about stuff? You know the team

1733
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 5: made the playoffs last year.

1734
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 2: For crying out, Well, well, I mean this.

1735
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 11: We're wasting cheage, We're wasting all these pictures.

1736
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 3: I do think that the Reds took and deserved a

1737
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 3: ton of criticism when the Schwarber thing fell through, and

1738
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 3: it felt like, all right, that was their attempt. Like again,

1739
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 3: the silliest thing for me was, Okay, you go after Schwarber.

1740
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 3: That's fine, it doesn't work out, but you have no

1741
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 3: interest in Peter Alonzo. I've actually heard people whose opinions

1742
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 3: I value say that Pee Alonzo wouldn't have been a

1743
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 3: good fit, Like what wouldn't have been a good fit?

1744
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 3: The fifty home runs flying over the right field wall.

1745
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 3: Where's if you're interested in Schwarber because of the power

1746
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 3: that he brings to the table, how are you not

1747
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:29,839
Speaker 3: interested in Pee Alonzo?

1748
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 2: And so the frustrating thing for me is Number one.

1749
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 3: I don't feel like they went to the end of

1750
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,560
Speaker 3: the earth to go sign Kyle Schwarber. I do not

1751
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 3: believe that they wanted to exceed what the Phillies were

1752
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 3: giving him. Number two if they were that interested in

1753
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 3: signing Kyle Schwarber and they viewed him as the only solution,

1754
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 3: then they should have acted like it was the only

1755
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 3: solution and gone to the end of the earth to

1756
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 3: go bring him to Cincinnati.

1757
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 2: Number three.

1758
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 3: If that doesn't work out, don't say no to all

1759
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 3: the different plan b's that are out there, like Cody

1760
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:07,879
Speaker 3: Bellinger is still unsigned. Yeah, there's I do not understand

1761
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 3: that lack of consistency, and I know the default is

1762
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 3: going to be, Well, Schwarber would have sold tickets, these

1763
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 3: other guys wouldn't have. I'm not convinced Kyle Schwarber would

1764
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 3: have suddenly sold ten thousand season tickets, But I do

1765
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 3: think if you're the fan that was gonna buy season

1766
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 3: tickets because of Kyle Schwarber, you probably would have been

1767
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 3: just as interested had they signed Pete Alonzo. So, all right,

1768
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 3: none of these things worked out, and maybe you want

1769
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 3: to make excuses. Not you might, but maybe someone wants

1770
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 3: to make excuses for the Reds. Well, they don't have

1771
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 3: the money. Fine, how is this going to work? How

1772
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,839
Speaker 3: is the offense going to get better in the absence

1773
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:45,520
Speaker 3: of adding somebody from the outside genis is it listen.

1774
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 5: The Arizona Diamondbacks are not considered a major market. They're

1775
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 5: not okay, and they go out and work a deal

1776
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 5: for Arnando today. That's supposed to do.

1777
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:00,560
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, it feels like Mike, thank you. It is

1778
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 3: impossible to look at the Reds right now. You may

1779
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 3: feel this team is the same. It's impossible to look

1780
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 3: at this team right now and conclude that they're better.

1781
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 3: On that note, let's give away some Reds Fest tickets.

1782
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 3: We need two contestants to play stupid trivia. Know your

1783
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 3: Reds off season acquisitions five one, three, seven, four nine,

1784
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. Remember their their paper tickets, so you got

1785
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 3: to come pick them up at the radio station. Five one, three, seven,

1786
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 3: four nine fifteen thirty will get you in. If you

1787
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 3: know your Reds off season acquisitions, you can win Reds

1788
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 3: Fest tickets right here Friday or Saturday on ESPN fifteen

1789
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:46,560
Speaker 3: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station WCKY Cincinnati and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed

1790
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 3: human Esbneen I Hard Radio. After a one year hiatus,

1791
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 3: Reds Fest is back at the newly refurbished Cincinnati Convention Center.

1792
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 3: Nobody's bought the naming rights to the Convention Center yet?

1793
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 3: Can can we look into that? Can we see if

1794
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty will buy the naming rights to the

1795
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Convention Center anyway, one of those cool ESP fifty

1796
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 3: that would be awesome. Yes, staring right at the interstate.

1797
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 3: This event features games and activities for kids of all ages,

1798
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 3: including interacts with past, current, and future stars. Everything benefits

1799
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 3: the REDS Community Fund. The hours for REDS Fest you

1800
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 3: got Friday at starts at to three o'clock, goes till

1801
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 3: ten thirty, and then activities and events on Saturday from

1802
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 3: eleven am until six thirty reds dot com.

1803
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 2: Get your tickets for Reds Fest or win them here.

1804
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 3: We have a contestant tarn Are you it's been like

1805
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 3: seven months since we played stupid trivia?

1806
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 2: I'm excited? Are you excited? Like that's I think that's

1807
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 2: the name we came up with, stupid trivia. Stupid trivia.

1808
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we kind of it kind of describes perfectly describes,

1809
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 3: you know, exactly what it is, stupid trivia. The contestants

1810
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 3: aren't stupid. The questions are just so we're clear, all right, Paul,

1811
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 3: It's nice to have you. Are you excited to have

1812
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 3: the opportunity to win tickets to Redsfest.

1813
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 5: Absolutely, very good.

1814
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:13,719
Speaker 3: Have you been following all of the ins and outs

1815
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 3: of the Reds off season? Of course, yeah, it's been

1816
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 3: a lot. You probably have had to take time off

1817
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 3: of work because you've just been inundated with all the

1818
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 3: Reds player acquisition news. All right, Paul, I'm gonna ask

1819
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 3: you five questions about Red's off season acquisitions. If you

1820
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 3: get three of them correct, you're gonna go to Reds Fest.

1821
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 3: If not, some guy named Josh's Okay, okay, all right,

1822
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 3: here we go. Here is Here is question number one, Terrey.

1823
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:41,839
Speaker 3: Do we have any music? Any sound effects?

1824
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: Yes? It should be plain now oh now there they

1825
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 2: are there, they are very good. We caught this music

1826
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 2: from ABC. All right, here we go.

1827
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 3: As you probably know, Paul JJ Bledat was acquired by

1828
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 3: the Reds this offseason. In his illustrious big league career,

1829
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 3: his first career home run came against the Reds at

1830
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:06,600
Speaker 3: Great American Ballpark in twenty twenty two. Who did he

1831
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 3: hit it off of? Was it Aluis Castillo, b Tyler

1832
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,719
Speaker 3: Mallley or c Luis Sessa?

1833
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 2: Was it Louis Castillo?

1834
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 3: Guess Luis Castillo, the now three time All Star twice

1835
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 3: with the Reds, served up a gopher ball to JJ

1836
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 3: Blede in twenty twenty two. Congratulations, you are one for one,

1837
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 3: two more to go, Josh. I'm sorry, Paul. Are you ready?

1838
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:32,599
Speaker 2: I'm ready? All right?

1839
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 3: Last month, the Reds traded minor leaguer Ethan O'Connell to

1840
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:39,879
Speaker 3: the Marlins for this guy? Was it a Jeff Conine,

1841
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,799
Speaker 3: b Dane Myers or c Nick Gordon?

1842
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 5: Uh?

1843
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 7: Nick Gordon?

1844
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 2: Was it Nick Gordon?

1845
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 5: Tern?

1846
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:49,560
Speaker 7: No? No.

1847
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 3: In one of the bigger moves of the offseason, Ethan

1848
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,759
Speaker 3: O'Connell was sent to Miami in exchange for Dane Myers.

1849
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 2: You are one for two. You have to get two

1850
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 2: of the next three, correct. Are you ready? I'm ready?

1851
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 2: All right? New Reds bullpen Let me try that again.

1852
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 3: New Reds bullpen acquisition Caleb Ferguson has allowed thirty two

1853
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 3: big league homers. He's good at keeping the ball in

1854
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 3: the ballpark. This is the only current Red to take

1855
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 3: him deep A Matt McClain, be Ellie Dela Cruz or

1856
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 3: c Spencer Steer? Spencer ste Was it Spencer Steer Tarran No,

1857
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 3: Ellie Dela Cruz took him yard in twenty twenty three.

1858
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 3: That's okay, You've got to get these last two, Paul.

1859
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 3: I could hear the confidence in your voice starting to shake.

1860
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 3: It's gonna be okay. I believe in you.

1861
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 10: Here we go.

1862
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 2: Question number four. The Reds have a new third base coach.

1863
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 2: That's right.

1864
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 3: One of the biggest acquisitions of the off season for

1865
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,799
Speaker 3: the Reds be the third base coach, Willie Harris. Willie

1866
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 3: Harris won a World Series as a player with this franchise.

1867
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 3: Was it a the Boston Red Sox, be the Washington

1868
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,759
Speaker 3: Nationals or see the Chicago White Sox?

1869
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 5: Oh?

1870
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,679
Speaker 2: Man, uh the White Sox? Was it the White Sox?

1871
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 3: Tarran Yes, And in that postseason two thousand and five,

1872
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 3: Willy Harris won a World Series with the White Sox.

1873
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 3: He batted one thousand in the postseason, went one for

1874
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 3: one in the American League Championship Series, went one for

1875
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 3: one in the World Series.

1876
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 2: Willie Harris has a ring.

1877
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 5: All right.

1878
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 2: It all comes down to this. Are you ready? I'm ready.

1879
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 2: Pierce Johnson was signed by the Reds this weekend.

1880
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 3: He pitched in the postseason for two teams prior to

1881
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 3: signing with the Reds, one of them the Atlanta Braves,

1882
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 3: for whom he pitched in October in twenty twenty three.

1883
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four, who's the other team that Pierce

1884
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 3: Johnson has appeared in the postseason? Four said a the

1885
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 3: Padres be the Mets or see the Astros.

1886
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 2: Uh Padre is the Padres. Yes, Paul comes back and wins.

1887
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:00,520
Speaker 2: Let's fa tickets.

1888
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 15: Pow.

1889
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 3: Congratulations, You're gonna go to a Reds fest and you're

1890
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:06,600
Speaker 3: gonna have the time of your life. You will have

1891
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 3: a chance to meet JJ Blede and Pierce Johnson and

1892
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 3: Dane Meers and Caleb Ferguson and Willie Harris, among many,

1893
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 3: many many other players, coaches, staff and alumni. Congratulations, Paul,

1894
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 3: stay on hold and Tarn will get all of your information.

1895
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: Thank you, Moll.

1896
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:26,599
Speaker 2: You're very welcome, very good.

1897
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:28,719
Speaker 3: It had been a while since we played stupid trivia,

1898
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 3: and I think all would agree very much worth the wait.

1899
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 3: Twenty nine away from five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen

1900
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 3: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Twenty six from six This is

1901
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,600
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty. Moager. Thank you for listening today. The

1902
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 3: Cintas Center is going to be the home of an awesome,

1903
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:52,200
Speaker 3: awesome event. The inaugural Oald Kemba Credit Union MLK Classic

1904
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 3: is gonna be at Cintas Center this Monday. This is

1905
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 3: an event that features eight boys varsity teams from Greater

1906
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 3: Cincinnati at Northern Kentucky and some of the region's best

1907
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 3: high school talent. Four great games, four awesome matchups. And

1908
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 3: here to tell us more is our buddy Rich Newman Rich,

1909
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 3: Happy New Year, Good afternoon.

1910
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 2: How are you.

1911
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 7: Doing great? Mo?

1912
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. Happy New Year to you too.

1913
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 3: All right, tell us what's going to be happening at

1914
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 3: the Centas Center on Monday.

1915
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: Well, in order, Kemba Credit Union MLK Classic is taking place.

1916
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 12: And this is a.

1917
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: Mirror image of our Beacon Holiday Hartwood Classic. So many

1918
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: teams now go out of state between Christmas and New

1919
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:40,600
Speaker 1: Year's but want to play in the Cintas Center. And

1920
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: we decided to create this event with the help of

1921
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 1: Dan Sutton, the President's CEO of Kemba. And we've got

1922
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:48,719
Speaker 1: a great field.

1923
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 7: It's a strong field.

1924
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:52,560
Speaker 2: All right, rolls to the field for me.

1925
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Number one ranked in the state, D one undefeated Lakota

1926
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 1: wet versus the Hamilton Big Blue starts at twelve noon,

1927
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 1: Ryle versus Oldlan County, Kentucky near Louisville at one forty

1928
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 1: five pm, Lakota East versus the Middletown Midies at three

1929
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:20,600
Speaker 1: thirty pm, and the Saintex Bombers are in the nightcap

1930
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 1: against the Colonels, also from across the river in Park

1931
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 1: Hills at five point fifteen. Great matchups.

1932
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 3: Great matchups, four great matchups. First tip off is at noon.

1933
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 3: By the way, there are daily passes available right now

1934
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:37,599
Speaker 3: in advance at MLK dash Classic dot com.

1935
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 2: How do you how do you arrive at these eight schools?

1936
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 1: Well, it was pretty much their request to play at

1937
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:50,559
Speaker 1: least the home teams to play in the Centas Center.

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Speaker 1: I created one neutral site matchup, so to speak, between

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Speaker 1: Ryle and Oldham County, but West and East and Covecat

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Speaker 1: next year, based on what I've already heard from teams,

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Speaker 1: there is going to be a demand for a second

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Speaker 3: All right, And what you're looking for is for the

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Speaker 3: participating schools to kind of get their fans worked up

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Speaker 1: We're offering to the school that sells the most tickets

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Speaker 1: then there's also a really good promotion with the Xavier

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Speaker 1: season ticket holders. Anyone who buys a daily pass for

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Speaker 3: Very cool The event is this Monday. First tip off

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Speaker 3: Oldham County is going to tip off right around one

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Speaker 3: forty five, then Lakota East at Middletown at three point thirty,

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Speaker 3: followed by the finale Sanax and CVCATH at five point fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything else, Richard that we need to know?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so We've covered it and the only

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Speaker 1: thing I'd add is. I appreciate all the support of

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Speaker 1: the outstanding high school basketball here in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: No question.

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Speaker 3: Monday tip off at noon MLK Classic and great venue

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Speaker 3: for a great games, shall be a great day of

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Speaker 2: Richard, thanks as always, Thank you appreciate it. You're very welcome.

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Speaker 2: That's our guy, rich Newman again.

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Speaker 3: gripes are, and what some of the gripe Steelers have

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Speaker 3: Steelers fans have with their favorite team, they sound and

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Speaker 3: read almost exactly the same. I think it's been interesting

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Speaker 3: over the last couple of years watching the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 3: especially in postseason games. And this is not solely a

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01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:33,440
Speaker 3: reaction to what happened last night where the Houston Texans

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Speaker 3: defense just swarmed Aaron Rodgers and swarmed that Pittsburgh offense.

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Speaker 3: But I think there have been two common themes watching

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Speaker 3: that team from afar and frankly, yes, watching that team

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Speaker 3: through a lens of dislike actively root against the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: Steelers as most Bengals fans do, as all Bengals fans do.

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Speaker 3: But it has been interesting to me that this Steelers brand,

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Speaker 3: which is they bring the fight to you and they

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Speaker 3: out physical you, and they'll beat you up and they're tough.

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Speaker 3: I think if you've watched them in big games in

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Speaker 3: recent years, that hasn't so much been the case last night,

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Speaker 3: and I think the Texans just have a better team.

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Speaker 3: Who knows what that game looks like.

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Speaker 2: CJ.

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Speaker 3: Stroud was eliciting jokes on social media about him throwing

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Speaker 3: the game last night.

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Speaker 2: That's how bad he was.

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Speaker 3: If had they got in the Texans remotely decent quarterback play,

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Speaker 3: that game's more lopsided than it was. And it ended

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Speaker 3: up being pretty damn lobsided. But Houston just punked them,

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Speaker 3: just pushed them around, imposed themselves physically on the defensive line.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna rush for drop seven and the coverage good luck.

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Speaker 3: I think if you go back and watch last year's

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Speaker 3: Steelers Ravens playoff game, I think if you go back

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Speaker 3: and watch the Bengals Steelers game Week eighteen last year,

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Speaker 3: which really didn't matter to the Pittsburgh Steelers, you saw

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Speaker 3: a team that didn't do as much pushing around, and

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Speaker 3: so you know, the brand, the Mike Tomlin brand, the

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers brand hasn't necessarily meshed with what they actually

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Speaker 3: put on the field. I also think whether it's been

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Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, justin fields, the remains

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Speaker 3: of Ben Roethlisberger, there has been something about that offense

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Speaker 3: that year in and year out for a while, looks

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Speaker 3: the same no matter what. The last night's Pittsburgh offensive

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Speaker 3: issues were mainly a function of Houston's very good and

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Speaker 3: very physical defense or man, there were times, and Troy

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Speaker 3: Aikman said it on the broadcast last night on ESPN,

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Speaker 3: they're rushing four and it felt like they were Russian

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Speaker 3: six or seven.

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Speaker 2: But if you've watched them, and I haven't watched.

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Speaker 3: Every Pittsburgh Steelers game, every Pittsburgh Steelers snap, but if

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Speaker 3: you've watched him over these lasts how many years, five

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Speaker 3: six years, it has felt like no matter who the

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Speaker 3: quarterback is, no matter who the play caller is, coordinator,

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Speaker 3: some of the personnel, that the offense looks almost exactly

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Speaker 3: the same. And so you know, there's we say this

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Speaker 3: all the time on this shows. There's often in life

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Speaker 3: room for multiple truths. Here you had this uber successful,

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Speaker 3: very well respected, highly accomplished coach whose time it did feel,

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Speaker 3: it did feel like it ran its course. While at

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Speaker 3: the same time, I don't know how, I don't know

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Speaker 3: how given where they are in the purgatory, they kind

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Speaker 3: of feel like they're in. I'm not sure how their

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Speaker 3: offensive issues change by swapping out coaches.

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Speaker 2: We will see.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be one of the more the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: Steelers have had in my lifetime.

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Speaker 2: Two coaching searches had three dudes. It's nineteen sixty nine

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Speaker 2: and so like.

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Speaker 3: It'll be different watching the Ravens next year play without

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Speaker 3: John Harball, and even more different seeing the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 3: without Mike Tomlin, and just different entirely thinking about those

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Speaker 3: two teams, those two teams playing against each other without

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Speaker 3: those two head coaches, but those two teams existing in

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Speaker 3: the Bengals Division without those.

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Speaker 2: Two head coaches. It's different. It's weird. I think.

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Speaker 3: The other takeaway from an AFC perspective, and we touched

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Speaker 3: on this a little bit yesterday, the Texans dominate on defense.

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Speaker 2: Their offense is inconsistent at best.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna play a Patriots team that feels largely untested,

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Speaker 3: not a lot of explosiveness to their offense. The other

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Speaker 3: AFC game, you've got Denver, who's a home dog, opened

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Speaker 3: as a home dog at least at home, is the

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Speaker 3: one seed over Buffalo, a Bills team that at times

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Speaker 3: this season has seemed broken offensively against a woefully at

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Speaker 3: times inconsistent Denver offense.

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Speaker 2: One of those four teams is gonna win the AFC.

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Speaker 3: Holy hell, that's hard to say if you're a fan

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Speaker 3: of the Cincinnati Bengals, watching the way the playoffs played out,

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Speaker 3: watching the way season played out in that half of

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Speaker 3: the league. Have they just like remotely fixed their defense?

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Speaker 3: Who knows that they're playing this weekend? They get a

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Speaker 3: large takeaway is teams closed with what their strength was?

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Speaker 3: The Texans did, the Bears did, the Bills did? That

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Speaker 3: will probably continue this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow on the show TJ.

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Speaker 3: Friedel's Gonna Join Us, I will have come off sleeping

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Speaker 3: about fifteen consecutive hours, and I can't wait for that.

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Speaker 3: Rick Brooring as well. On Xavier and NKU basketball, We're done.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Taran Plan for producing, and most importantly, thank

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Speaker 3: you to you for listening.

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Speaker 2: Have an awesome night.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you tomorrow at three oh five on

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.