1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 2: I'm feeling low, so get me high that number again 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: eight three, three four one two WXDX where you can 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: follow the show on. 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: Twitter at Mark madden X. 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: I had somebody tweet you opened a sports show by 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: eulogizing a rock guitar player. 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: That's right. 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: And at four o'clock I'm joined by Eddie Trunk Metals 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: number one DJ to talk about the life and impact 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: of finding member kiss Frehley. Excuse me, finding member of 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: Kiss Ace Frayley who passed away last week. That's Eddie 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: Trunk scheduled to join me at at four pm. But 14 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: right now we will talk Steelers. That Cincinnati lost was 15 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: huge because of who it was too and how it happened, 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 2: and because the Steelers needed to be five and one. 17 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: And now you've got three tough games Green Bay, Indie 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: and the LA Chargers. If you go one and two, 19 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: you're five and four and bang right back in the 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: mushy middal. Although that crap Divisi may yet be their 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: saving grace. But what I Flacco Raley Cincinnati? Is it 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: impossible to see Cincinnati making a run to challenge the 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: Steelers for the top of the division, and the usual 24 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: suspects are like trade for this white out or that, 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: why not this guy, that guy the other guy. We've 26 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: been hearing that since Brandon Ayuk. They think they're finite 27 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: wide out. They're wrong, but that's what they think. And 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: I say again, there's nothing that fixes these Steelers besides 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 2: a new coach. The Steelers made all these personnel changes 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: like crazy this offseason, and yet they're old and stale 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: to an alarming and disgusting degree. 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: And the old arguments are so tired. 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: Oh, you're not gonna get a better coach, says who 34 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: Lots of better coaches have come around the past several years, 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: stiking of Indiana for one, Guys who aren't prehistoric, Guys 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: who understand what the league is, which is score more 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: and faster, not seven offensive linemen, and not play a 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: zone so deep you're practically in the parking lot. Uh, 39 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: not zone that I mean over the time, you know 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: what I mean? I mean, look at that play chasemate 41 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: at the very end of the game to set up 42 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: the field goal. There was no one within a million 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: yards of him. He had like sixteen catches. How's he 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: open there? The Steelers get more scared and dull and fossilized. 45 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: Every year, rely on the defense that simply can't rely on. 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: Oh and Cam, I love this Cam. After the game, 47 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: he's like, this is unacceptable. G Cam, We're all so 48 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: happy you realize it's unacceptable and you're not gonna make 49 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: your Oki dunk bonuses. By the way, give him my 50 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: regards down at the thrift score, Cam, how can you 51 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: expect to feed a family on just fourteen point seventy 52 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: five million. 53 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how you live with yourself. 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: It's disgusting what's going on with the Steelers again. And 55 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: what's even more disgusting is that you dopes think these 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: guys have done something. What Cam and that ilk watch 57 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: lost one zero playoff games? Cam has won one, and 58 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: yet you revere them, you wear their jersey, you idolize 59 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: them like they've accomplished something. But they haven't accomplished anything 60 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: because this is Pittsburgh and we don't care about stats 61 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: and individual honors. You know how many times me and 62 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: Joe Green made first team All Pro I don't remember. 63 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: I only remember that me and Joe Green won four 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: Super Bowls because that's all. 65 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: I need to know. And all mean Joe Green wants 66 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: me to know. 67 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: The Steelers franchise has been a relic for how many 68 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: years now, a constant disappointment with the. 69 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: Ball being lowered all the time. 70 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: Somebody asked me on Twitter which Pittsburgh team would be 71 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: the next to win a championship. I said the Penguins, 72 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: because Kyle Dubas has a plan that goes beyond just 73 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: the next game. 74 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin doesn't. 75 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: He doesn't, and too many games he blows the next 76 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: game when he should win it, like this past Thursday 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: at Cincinnati. 78 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: Okay, I've spoken as I predicted. 79 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: It was long and really kind of I mean, I'd 80 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: rather talk about as freely. But does anybody want to 81 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: dispute any of what I've just said? I mean, Dona 82 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: dial one week, they could win the whole thing the 83 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: next week they stink. 84 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: I've been telling you how it is about this coach. 85 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: About this regime, about the entire organization for years, and 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: I've been nothing but right. And if you disagree, kiss 87 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: my ass in hell. So do you dispute it? At 88 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: what point do you accept fact? And the Penguins they're 89 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: pissing me off because they're winning too much. Dan Mues 90 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: is making more of a positive difference than Mike Tomlin 91 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: has for years. We're never gonna get Kavin McKenna, are we. 92 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: The Penguins host Vancouver tonight after having won two out 93 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: of three in California. If Gunny Malkin and Sidney Crosby 94 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: or a wrecking crew the old firm, is it sustainable? 95 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: Tristan Jari got to shut out at San Jose. I 97 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: know that's not sustainable. So we got a lot to 98 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 2: catch up on. Otani had that big game. We're told 99 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: it's the greatest athletic achievement since the time of Christ 100 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: or whatever. What did Christ ever do to compare it 101 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 2: to what o'tanni did? That's a good question, right, Okay, 102 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: let me think. Let me think. Otani three home runs, 103 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: six score less innings, pitched, ten strikeouts, struck out the 104 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: side to open the top of the inning. It'll lead 105 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: off home run at the bottom of the inning. Christ 106 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: fed the masses with the wolves and fishes. That's a 107 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: tough one. I'm going, O Tawni. I'm going, O Tawni. No, 108 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: I don't know the loaves and fishes thing. 109 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: What do you have? 110 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: I think he had like a McDonald's filet of fish 111 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: and fed like three thousand people. 112 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive. 113 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: Uh. 114 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: But the Otawni thing, it's great. 115 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: It's it's not comparable to a lot of things we 116 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: talked about earlier, like like the Lemu five goals five ways, 117 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: and that's because it's only baseball. One let you scored 118 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: five goals five ways. He had people hitting him with wood, 119 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: okay O Tawni just didn't. 120 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't have people trying to hit him 121 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 1: with the wood. 122 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: So I'll talk more about that later. The trip was great, 123 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: the result was not for Liverpool. Four losses in a 124 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: row and you get to hear me agonize tomorrow Champions 125 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: League versus Frankfurt. 126 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: That's okay, I keep the faith. One steal. 127 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: This is hilarious. One Steeler dip Dipstick tweeted at it 128 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: at me, like right at the full time whistle Sunday 129 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: ha haa Liverpool lost. He couldn't wait, and I'm like, okay, 130 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: but we won the league just last season and before 131 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: that in twenty twenty, and Champions League at twenty nineteen, 132 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: and pretty soon I'll get to chant two thousand and eight. 133 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: But that's a tough year to chant. That's where you're lucky. 134 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: And we're fourth place now four points out. Not ideal, 135 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: but manageable. Just gotta play better. And I'm psyched because 136 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: I got that electricity at anfield. 137 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: That sports here just don't provide. So we'll get them tomorrow. 138 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: It's not like we lost to the Bengals or to 139 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: West Virginia and I get to go watch hockey tonight. 140 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: In other news, the WNBA season ended and nobody noticed 141 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: one oh five niney X. 142 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: And now the super genius Mark Madden, Hey, Mark, great show. 143 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: When you got a young trophy? 144 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: White os Monday to I can't even quote the big 145 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: o'bowski righte, goodbye the exit one O. I would like 146 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: to hear from some Steeler fans at eight three three, 147 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: four to one two WSDX. I mean, do you think 148 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: the season is just heading into the same direction it 149 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: always is, or have you managed to fool yourselves yet again. 150 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: I just don't see things being much better this year 151 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: than last year, than the year before that, then the 152 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: year before that, et cetera, et cetera. I don't if 153 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: they had been five and one by beating Cincy, Okay, 154 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: it still wouldn't have felt that different, but they would 155 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: have been exactly where they needed to be, and with 156 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: tough games coming up, they would have had legitimate cushion 157 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: if things went bad. Now that cushion's not there like 158 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: it was. You go one and two over the next 159 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: three games, as I think they well might, You're five 160 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: and four, and again I keep saying right back in 161 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: that mushy mintal, is there a reason to be more optimistic? 162 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: You tell me a three, three, four one two wxtx 163 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 2: and if not, that's okay too. There's never been a 164 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: better time to not listen. Thursday Penguin's Viewing Party at 165 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: Sharky's and Latrobe, not for Steeler training camp, but for 166 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: the Penguins and defending Stanley Cup champ in Florida Panthers. 167 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: And get this, It's Prime Rib Night at sharkis Prime Rib, 168 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: the Penguins, the super genius watching hockey eating meats. Can't 169 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: beat it. That's Thursday Night at Sharky's in Latrobe. Double 170 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: m with a Penguin's Viewing Party. Aaron Rodgers will face 171 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: his original team on Sunday, Green Bay for the first 172 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: time since leaving the Packers. 173 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, the Green Bay coach. He says it's no 174 00:09:54,360 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: biggie Pittsburgh Steelers. 175 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: Before apparently just clammed up. No little problem there. We'll 176 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: get to that SoundBite a little bit later. Let's see 177 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: what else we got here. Uh, here's Bill Carr on 178 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: CBS with a great idea for the Steelers. Sign Joe Flacco. 179 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: Think about this. 180 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: There are only quarterbacks who have played my Tom ten 181 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 3: times or more who have winning records are Tom Brady 182 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: and Joe Fla. So my advice to Mike, I know, 183 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: I got upset about it, as I says, just sign 184 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: him in the offseason. 185 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I get it. If he's on your team, 186 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: you never have to play against him. I'm sure kyr 187 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 2: was kidding, probably, but I don't want to ever play 188 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: Flacco again if I'm the Steelers and I'm not gonna 189 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: guarantee Flacco beats the Steelers at Pittsburgh at a month 190 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: when the Bengals trapper here the return match from Thursday night. 191 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: But it's certainly the way I'm gonna bet. I mean, 192 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: how could you not bet that way. Flacco had a 193 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: better game last Thursday for Cincinnati against the Steelers after 194 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: barely having joined the team and learned to playbook a 195 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: better game last Thursday than Rogers has had all year 196 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: for the Steelers. 197 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: Now that's because Cincinnati lets Flacco play. 198 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: Aaron outs and Pittsburgh has made Rogers a game manager. 199 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: Like I keep saying, in Pittsburgh, it's about the coach. 200 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: The coach uber allis above everything else. His impact has 201 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: to be seen. It has to be done his way, 202 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: because that way we know how smart he is. Unless 203 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: he doesn't win a playoff game for uh seven years 204 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: going on eight. Let's go to Nick, Nick, you're old doublem. Okay, 205 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: we lost Nick, We've lost control of the radio station. 206 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: As I mentioned the WNBA season end, did nobody noticed 207 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: the River Hunts clinched the playoff. 208 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: Spot and they won their final regulars. 209 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 2: If they win excuse me this coming Saturday night, I 210 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 2: think it is at home their final regular season game. 211 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: They get a home game in the playoffs, and that 212 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: would be certainly bouncing back to some degree after an 213 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: up and down season. 214 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: But they maybe they've saved their best for last. That'd 215 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: be great. 216 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: Uh pitt one again, yahoo, Uh, Penn State lost again. 217 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: That is a mess beyond James Franklin. James frank was 218 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: on ESPN on game Danny wind Nick Saban wined two 219 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 2: on Franklin's behalf and said the firing was unfair, and 220 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: it was, but nobody likes a liner. What happens if 221 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: you fire Franklin and Penn State just keeps on losing. 222 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't Franklin who hit a wall. Maybe it's 223 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: the program it hit a wall. 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Take You're Vanishing Fast 245 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 5: is a gateway cliver dot com today. 246 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 2: If you can't get enough, if you're Pittsburgh Steelers, then 247 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: check out the latest podcast from Steelers Nation. 248 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: Eight Legal Nowhere but bet I E and d Exit 249 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: one oh five nine. 250 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 2: Penguins hosting Vancouver tonight at PPG. Paint Serena joining us 251 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: out of tak Hockey. He's done everything possible in the 252 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: Great Game. He is Pierre Maguire, Pierre Pengwins are foign 253 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: too and not playing badly. What's been the primary catalyst 254 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: to them holding their own so far? 255 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 6: We're habits, coaching and a sense of belief internally that 256 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 6: even though they might not have a lot of big 257 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 6: players on their roster, they can still get. 258 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: The job done. 259 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 6: I love the line of Mattha, Malcolm and Brenzolmark. It's 260 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 6: made a huge difference the early start to the year, 261 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 6: and I think the energy of a player like Ryan Chay, 262 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 6: I think the energy of a player like Connor Doer, 263 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 6: I think the passion of a player like Blake Lazat. 264 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 6: It all resonates with the older guys that have been around, 265 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 6: and then you compound, which Arthur Seawock has been great 266 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 6: since opening. Then I know people say, what about the 267 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 6: game against the Rangers at home? Don't fault them on that, 268 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 6: that was a weird game. And then Tristan Jarry with 269 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 6: a neat sense of enthusiasm to be the guy that 270 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 6: makes a difference. I think there's a lot of different things. 271 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 6: I think it's coaching, energy, passion, and work habits. 272 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: Dan Muse is rotating shilloffs and Jari shilloffs and goal 273 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: tonight with Vancouver visiting. Can you do that in the 274 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: long run or do you got to decide on the 275 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: number one at some point. 276 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 6: I think a lot of teams around the league now 277 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 6: are probably going one a one D type of situation 278 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 6: and they'll ride in the hot hand. But I don't 279 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 6: think the days of Marty broder Mark, you know, ten 280 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 6: straight years of seventy plus starts, and he actually did 281 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 6: that those days are long gone. It's just too hard 282 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 6: to lead. Too much traveled, too many compressed, sed those 283 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 6: too many back to backs. So I'm going to say 284 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 6: that a lot of teams aren't. It's not going to 285 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 6: be a foreign concept for most teams anyways. To see 286 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 6: the split be maybe fifty thirty two or fifty two thirty. 287 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 6: You know, I could see where that kind of split 288 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 6: does happen. And I do think you're going to see 289 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 6: a lot of teams with a one A and one 290 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 6: B situation. 291 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: You mentioned that Mokin line is Brazo for real? Can 292 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: he keep it up playing top six? Oh? 293 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 6: Yeah? The biggest thing. And people are going to say, well, 294 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 6: he's a big guy, and you know he's got hanton. 295 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 6: You can get to the front of the neck. He 296 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 6: really can do that. I agree. So they're going to say, 297 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 6: and they're going to question, well, what about his skating. 298 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 6: Skating's not that good, and you know, can that hold 299 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 6: up when the big teams come into town and you know, 300 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 6: the fast teams And the biggest thing I can tell 301 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 6: you I watched this player play for North Day Battalion 302 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 6: and the Ontario Hockey League, and I know that he 303 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 6: had a couple of seasons where he was well over 304 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 6: thirty five goals and one year I think he was 305 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 6: over sixty goals. He's a scorer. He always has it, 306 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 6: you know, has it translated exactly that the NHL level 307 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 6: them know it can be a big body presence and 308 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 6: in the slot playing with a creative player, they get 309 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 6: Genny malkoln and a shooter like Anthony Manka. The answer 310 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 6: Jesse Ken and that's where you're going to see him 311 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 6: get all those goals from right in front, on top 312 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 6: of the crease. Kyle Dupas is the guy that signed 313 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 6: him as a free agent out of the Ontario Hockey 314 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 6: League and they put him in and they put him 315 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 6: in East Coast Hockey with in Newfoundland and that's what 316 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 6: kind of took off, and he's been really good ever since. 317 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: Should the Penguins keep Brunick and Kendall or returned them 318 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 2: to juniors? 319 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: What are the pros and cons up here? 320 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 6: This is what I would say with both these players, 321 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 6: And I've talked to our very good friend Paul Stiderald 322 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 6: about this on the Pittsburgh Penguins pregame show, Mark, I 323 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 6: believe the president's been set and it really was in 324 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 6: Pittsburgh with Mark Andre Flurry way back when in two 325 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 6: thousand and three, where Mark Andre was the first overall pick. 326 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 6: They didn't want to break him down, you know, with 327 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 6: a team that was marginal to just okay, and so 328 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 6: in two thousand and four they let him go represent 329 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 6: Canada the World Junior if you remember, in Helsinki, Finland, 330 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 6: and I would think very seriously about keeping both these 331 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 6: players up, put them on the same kind of a 332 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 6: time management schedule that you saw Leo Carlson go through 333 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 6: in Anaheim a couple of years ago. And the only 334 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 6: reason I know what they did with Leo is because 335 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 6: his agent, Matt Kager, is a very good friend of mine, 336 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 6: and they did that in negotiation with Pat would beat 337 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 6: the GM, the coach at the time, Greg Cronin, and 338 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 6: their training staff, and it's worked fantastically well. And then 339 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 6: I would really think about in December letting both Brunneck 340 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 6: and Kindle go represent Canada at the World Junior. So 341 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 6: they leave for about three weeks and then they come 342 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 6: back after hopefully dominating, which they should, they're both East 343 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 6: Elite players at that level in particular, and then they 344 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 6: come back, but they never go back to their junior teams. 345 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 6: That's probably the best compromise I could come up with. 346 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 2: That sounds like a pretty good plan to meet Pierre. 347 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 2: Let me throw in a disclaimer with Kendall. If they 348 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: keep him, he needs to get some top six minutes, 349 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: better line mates, and even some power play time, because 350 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: that's the player you need him to be. 351 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: You need to coach to be that. 352 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 6: Well. I'll give you an example to back you up. 353 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 6: Emmittt Finney is a guy who was a seventh round 354 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 6: pick out of the Kamloops Blazers, a team that our 355 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 6: good friend Mark Reki's part owner with Jerome mcginnl and 356 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 6: Shane Doe, and emittt Finny has a seventh round pick 357 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 6: is not playing as a first line player in Detroit 358 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 6: with you know, Raymond and Larkin. And that kid just 359 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 6: is coming off a two goal, one to six game, 360 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 6: and I can't tell you he's one of the best 361 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 6: seventh round picks I've seen in a long time, a 362 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 6: really good player. Chris Draper found him when he was 363 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 6: going to watch another player play for the Vancouver Giants, 364 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 6: and this kid just stood out because of the skating. 365 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 6: I agree with you on Kindall it's the same kind 366 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 6: of thing. What has surprised me the most about Ben Kimball, 367 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 6: and I don't know if it's surprising to you or not, Mark, 368 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 6: is that I knew that he was really smart, and 369 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 6: I knew he had hands, and I knew that great 370 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 6: purple vision. I wasn't sure that his skating was going 371 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 6: to be as good as it has been, and he 372 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 6: deserves a lot of credit. He's really found his way 373 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 6: that this kid's going to be a really good player 374 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 6: in the league. 375 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: Here's an example I would cite too to back up 376 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: my thoughts on Kendall Pierre, when the Penguins drafted a 377 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: Lexay Moroso back in nineteen ninety five. He was so 378 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: highly regarded offensively, but they played him bottom six so 379 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: long that he eventually became a bottom six had to 380 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: go back to Russia to find his touch again. 381 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 6: Well, it's a great one because I was there broadcasting 382 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 6: all those games, so I remember the day. If I 383 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 6: agree with you one hundred percent, that's why you know 384 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 6: the old Bowman school of higher learning at the pro 385 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 6: level is if a guy's at a top six forward 386 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 6: in the American Hockey League and you're bringing them up 387 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 6: to your NHL team. Don't stick him on the last 388 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 6: two lines. Put him on the first two lines, because 389 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 6: that's his organizational strength. That's what you wanted to be 390 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 6: at point Getter. If he's a checker playing as a checker, 391 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 6: If he's a scorer playing as a scorer, and I 392 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 6: think you're onto something there, especially with Kimball. 393 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: We're talking to Pierre Maguire here on the Mark Madden Show, Pierre, 394 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: talk of the Devil. We got the PE's Hall of 395 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: Fame induction this Saturday, and it's great to see obviously 396 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: Ronnie Francis and Kevin Stevens get recognized, but especially so 397 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: to see Scotti. 398 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: Bowman and EJ get recognition. I think I would agree 399 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: with you. 400 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 6: I'm so proud of the Penguins organization for doing this 401 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 6: number one, for them to really be broad based and 402 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 6: not just making about the players, but making about the 403 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 6: people that brought the good players in. And you know, 404 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 6: EJ did a magnificent job during his stewardship of the 405 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 6: Pittsburgh Penguins as a general manager, as a coach, as 406 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 6: a senior advisor, as part of being a member of 407 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 6: three Stanley Cup winning teams in Pittsburgh as a senior 408 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 6: advisor to Ratio and then obviously to Jimmy Rifford. So 409 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 6: I had a ton of respect for Eddie and obviously 410 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 6: with Scottie were roommates, we were coaching mates. I'm not 411 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 6: sure that I could ever have been given a better 412 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 6: gift in life than to I've worked for him. So 413 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 6: I can just tell you the Penguins are a Marquee franchise, 414 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 6: and this is another example of why they're a Marquis franchise. 415 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: Here's kind of an interesting footnote regarding EJ's tenure in Pittsburgh, 416 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 2: and obviously he's never broken Omerta regarding the Tanks job 417 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: in eighty four. But drafting Mario wasn't as easy as 418 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: people think. At the time, Pierre Ej got flooded with 419 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: big offers from a bunch of teams and one of 420 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: his own Scots wanted to draft Kirk Muller instead. 421 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 6: That was one hundred percent true. I know that it's 422 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 6: not urban legend. That's one hundred percent factual marks reported. 423 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 6: And you know the biggest thing is I think Eddie 424 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 6: had so much internal knowledge because of where Mario was 425 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 6: from in Montreal, vill Lamart and Eddie grew up with 426 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 6: his brothers not far from there, so the legend of 427 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 6: Maryland was really no from the time Marrio was probably 428 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 6: eight or nine years old in Montreal, so everybody knew 429 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 6: and that made a big difference. I mean, then you 430 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 6: watch some of his performances playing for Laval in the 431 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 6: Quebec Major Junior League and you're just like, this guy's 432 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 6: not even human. I mean, it's crazy how good he is. 433 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 6: So Eddie was aware of that. There were a lot 434 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 6: of people pushing for Kurt Muller. I know that. I 435 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 6: was in training camp with him as a player in 436 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 6: New Jersey in nineteen eighty four when he did get drafted. 437 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 6: But he as good a player as Kirk was, and 438 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 6: he's a really good player. He was nowhere near mary 439 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 6: And when you're not even. 440 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: Close, Vancouver's in time tonight, Pierre. The Canucks are four 441 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 2: and too. Just like the Penguins, they had a lot 442 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: of offseason turnover. 443 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: Where the Canucks stand right now in your eyes, you 444 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: know the. 445 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 6: Movie Mash, and you remember the TV show Mash. Of 446 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 6: course they're kind of mass right now. They have more 447 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 6: injuries than any team in the league. They have been 448 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 6: decimated by injuries. If they didn't have all these injuries, 449 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 6: I think that they would be a team that people 450 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 6: would say, Wow, this is one of the better turnaround 451 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 6: stories in the league. Adam Foot deserves a lot of credit. 452 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 6: Scottie Young, the former Penguin and Stanley Cup winner in 453 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 6: ninety one with Pittsburgh, deserves credit. Ret McClain, another assistant 454 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 6: coach who came over from Minnesota, and Kevin Dean who's 455 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 6: been a tremendous coach and developer of defense, and that 456 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 6: coaching staffs in a nice job in Vancouver, but they're 457 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 6: decimated by injury right now. You're not seeing the real 458 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 6: Vancouver Connect team. They'll play hard, they'll play in your face, 459 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 6: they'll skate really well. I don't know how much talent 460 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 6: they're gonna have to be able to finish plays off tonight. 461 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 6: They got a lot of guys playing where they shouldn't 462 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 6: be playing just because of all the injuries. But I'll 463 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 6: tell you what, Adam puts on a magnificent job with 464 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 6: his staff getting these guys on board, a lot like 465 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 6: what Dan Hughes has done with his staff in Pittsburgh. 466 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 2: In that injury Vain Perre Pittsburgh is at Florida Thursday night. 467 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: Florida zero and four on the road, three and four 468 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: in the season, and you know, I'm hoping for the best, 469 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: and they have the character of a two time champion, 470 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: But they really do seem crippled by injury, don't They 471 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 2: Maybe even worse than we suspected. 472 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 6: Way worse than what we suspect. Barkoff was a devastating blow. 473 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 6: Katick not being back until at least the first of 474 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 6: the year, that's devastating. The injury to Koola Kop in 475 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 6: the back end is gigantic. Losing Nat Schmid and unrestricted 476 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 6: free agency was massive. They're absolutely decimated by injury and 477 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 6: the team too. They think most of those players have 478 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 6: been in the final three straight years. That's unbelievably difficult 479 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 6: to believe that they can have a resurgent year again 480 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 6: this year, especially with all the injuries. I think it's 481 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 6: gonna be a very difficult season for Florida. It doesn't 482 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 6: mean they can't win again, but I think they'll be 483 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 6: hard pressed to win again. 484 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: Beer. 485 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: I think the toughest thing for them to be to 486 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: make the playoffs. I think if they get in and 487 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: get some guys back. They'll contend, but they might not 488 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: make it. 489 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 6: Well, you can lose all these points at the beginning 490 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 6: of the year. I think you're gonna get them back. 491 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 6: The problem is that you're not gonna get them back. 492 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 6: Two points in October is as valuable as two points 493 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 6: in March, So that's part of the problem. And I 494 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 6: don't think anybody's counting on Detroit to be five and 495 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 6: one out of the game. I don't think that too 496 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 6: many people would counting on Pittsburgh to be four and 497 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 6: two out of the game. And I don't think too 498 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 6: many people thought that the New York Rangers would win 499 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 6: three other four games on the road but lose four 500 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 6: straight games on home mikes, three of them being shut out. 501 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 6: So this has been a topsy turvy start to the 502 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 6: year for a lot of these teams. Otto and Tampa 503 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 6: at the bottom of the Eastern Conference. Market's just so 504 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 6: real to think about. So yeah, no, I think they 505 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 6: can be in big trouble for if they don't get 506 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 6: on their horse get pretty quick. 507 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 2: Ohb one goal in six games for Washington, is that 508 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: yet anything to worry about? 509 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 6: Not yet. We talked about this last year too. I 510 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 6: remember when he got hurt the people that I thought, 511 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 6: I'll never make it this year, I'll never make it. 512 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 6: And he started going when he came back from the 513 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 6: broken leg and he started ripping it. I just think 514 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 6: that it's kind of a slow start for Washington. There's 515 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 6: still if the playoffs started today, they'd be in the playoffs. 516 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 6: The one thing I'm concerned about with them a little 517 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 6: bit more than maybe but I was last year is 518 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 6: what you just talked about. They usually score a little 519 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 6: bit more freely and a little bit more easily. They're 520 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 6: not getting that done at the level I thought they would. 521 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: Conor McDavid no goals in six games, does have seven helpers? 522 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: Anything to worry about there? 523 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, not too much with them because simply don't get 524 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 6: it going. I could tonight when they play in autiwa 525 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 6: Auto was really struggling. But here's the biggest thing with Edverton. 526 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 6: I've watched all their games on this Eastern trip at 527 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 6: Madison Square Garden, at Ubs Arena on Long Island, and 528 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 6: at New Jersey. This team is not playing team defense. 529 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 6: They don't look organized, they don't look orchestrated. It's almost 530 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 6: as if they were accounting on all their offense to 531 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 6: win them games rather than playing structured team defense. They 532 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 6: got to get it going and right direction here. If 533 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 6: not this, you know, we tell you about Florida. Hey, 534 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 6: Edgington's been in the final the last two years and 535 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 6: they struck out both times. This is a hard thing, 536 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 6: you know. I don't think a lot of people didn't 537 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 6: think Chicago would get off to the start they are. 538 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 6: A lot of people didn't think Seattle would get off 539 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 6: to the start that they are. And I knew that 540 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 6: Utah would have the better team, but they've had a 541 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 6: really good start and I'm not surprised by Colorado winning. 542 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 6: Take So when you start doing that in Vegas, when 543 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 6: you start doing that, you start to get yourself into trouble. 544 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 6: And Mark, just remember Pittsburgh just saw these guys. I 545 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 6: think Anaheim's really going to cause problems. So a team 546 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 6: like Edmonton, they better get on their horseship pretty quick. 547 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: You mentioned Vegas, Pierre, like you, I watch a ton 548 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 2: of games. They don't have quite the best record, but 549 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 2: I think they look better than anybody, and I think Ichael. 550 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: Looks like the MVP. 551 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: I know it's real early, but now sometimes you see 552 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 2: a guy feeling it and you feel it too. 553 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: That's what I get from Jack Eichel. 554 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 6: So far, so with the year that Nathan McKinnon won 555 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 6: the MVP, and I kept saying that the entire year 556 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 6: of the year that McDavid won the MVP, I kept 557 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 6: saying that it's that vibe aget. I know exactly what 558 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 6: you're talking about when you watch a lot of games. 559 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 6: And one of the things that's happened in Dave is 560 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 6: which I think is really tremendous, is Mitchell Marner quietly 561 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 6: has done an amazing job being his awesome setup guy. 562 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 6: But dorop Fiez, I mean his scoring ability, and he's 563 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 6: clearly quicker than he was a year ago. He's definitely 564 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 6: faster than he was a year ago. This could be 565 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 6: a fifty five plus goal scorer this year. He keeps 566 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 6: us up kidding. So you have him, an Ico and Marner, 567 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 6: and then you got William Carlson all these other guys 568 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 6: in there, and then winning without Mark Stone, who did 569 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 6: at his risk. I mean, this team's really good. Vegas. 570 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 6: I thought Vegas would play Toronto in the final before 571 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 6: the season started. Mark We'll see whether that holds, but 572 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 6: I do think Vegas got a legitimate chance to get. 573 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: To the final. 574 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: Pierre here was the first in my career. 575 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: Last year I referred to Dori Feyev as Deus Skloyevsky. 576 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 2: I confused him with the author of The Brothers, Karra Matsoff. 577 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 6: You know what, for anybody in sports and even knows 578 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 6: that that's impressive, that's Pierre. 579 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: You are the man, great stuff as always. Uh, we'll 580 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: talk talk to you next week. Enjoyed the hockey, Yeah, 581 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: I can't wait. 582 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 6: I'm almost stagging it in in the pregame show. Can't wait. 583 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 6: Love doing that, and that's a big reason why I 584 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 6: appreciate everything you do. You're an amazing hockey man. Mark, 585 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 6: thank you. 586 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: I'll be listening to Pierre. That's peer Maguire brought to us. 587 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: But always say flagging in traffic control, making traffic safe again. 588 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: Call four one two three zero one twenty three hundred 589 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: or visit us online at AWSAF dot net to get 590 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: a quote today.