1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: It's night with Dan Ray. I'm doing you easy Boston's 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: news radio. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 2: All right, everyone, welcome into a Friday night, end of 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: the week edition of Nightside. I have not been here 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: all week. I did my first show of twenty twenty 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: six last night. It was a really good show. If 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: you've missed any of it last night, you always can 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: go to Nightside on demand over the weekend. We talked 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: for three hours last night about the situation in Minneapolis. 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: There's more developments on that story today at nine o'clock. 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: My intention is to begin a conversation about Venezuela and 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: what is at risk and what is afoot in Venezuela. 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: Will also tonight probably get back to Minneapolis and the 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: question of the ice activity and whether people are obstructing 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: it and what can be done to Basically, I guess, 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: allow people to protest, but protest in a way in 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: which lives are not endanger either Ice officers or private citizens. 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: So we'll get to all of that, and we'll get 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: to a twentieth hour later on tonight, But first I 20 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: want to remind you that Ron Brooks is back. For 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: him It's been a long week, five nights. I started 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: this week on the other side of the world actually, 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about that in the twentieth 24 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: hour tonight. So there's lots to talk about. But we 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: have four great guests to start things off, and we're 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: going to start off with doctor Ashley Olker. She is 27 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: a doctor practicing emergency medicine physician. She's also an adjunct 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: professor at GW Medical School George Washington Medical School in Washington, DC. 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: Dr Alker, Welcome to Night's Side. How are you. 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I'm good, thanks for having me 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: on the show. 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: Well, you have written a book entitled ninety Nine Ways 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: to Die and How to Avoid Them, which is an 34 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: intriguing title. I've looked at it. It's about four hundred 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: and forty pages if I'm accurate here what prompted you? 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: Most people don't like to focus on the way it 37 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: might end for or it will end for all of us. 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: No one gets out of this place alive. I think 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: we've learned that, you know, people who are Christian believe 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: there was one individual who's able to get out of 41 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: the tomb after three days, but most of us, realistically, 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: we'll face an end at some point, and we don't 43 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: like to think about it. I don't like to think 44 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: about it, but we're going to talk about it. How 45 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: did you come up with this idea of ninety nine 46 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: ways to die and how to avoid them? They are 47 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: probably more than ninety nine ways to die? 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: Well, yes, there most certainly are. I think the latter 49 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: part of the title is the part that probably sells 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: more books. These are ninety nine things that you don't 51 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: have to die from, their ninety nine avoidable deaths. But 52 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: these deaths will require you to learn and know certain 53 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: things to avoid them. For instance, you know raybe is. 54 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: You know a vaccine permennable disease, the disease even after 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: you have exposure. But if you do not know that, 56 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: you will not get post exposure profil axis. And it 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: is very you know, if you are by a bat 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: with Raby's, you will die from Raby's. So that is 59 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: something that you need to make sure that you know 60 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: in those situations and not something that happens very commonly, 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: So we don't really talk about in general public health education. 62 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: You're correct, that's a great example. All of us are 63 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: freaked out by bats. I've had bats in my house 64 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: and not Louisville Slugger bats, the bats that fly around 65 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: and are just horrific looking little creatures. I was unaware that. Well, 66 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: of course, if I ever get fit by a rat, 67 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: I would be going to an emergency room immediately. Give 68 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: us that's a great one. Give me a couple more 69 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: of ways in which we will learn from reading this book, 70 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: things that we can do. I always assumed that that 71 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: at some vaccination that I've taken, at some point, they 72 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: would have a little anti rabies dose there, But I 73 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: guess not, So I've learned something already. Tell us what else? 74 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, unfortunately, just really quick on the rabies one. 75 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: Bat bites are painless and often you can't see them, 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: so you know, just be careful around them in general, 77 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 3: because you often don't know when your bet. And then secondarily, 78 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: that's the type of thing that confuses people because you 79 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: don't you kind of don't know your health history as 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: a child obviously, so you think that things like rabies 81 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 3: vaccines are something that you will get routinely. But you know, 82 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: that is something that we only give people that are 83 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 3: going to have significant exposures, like things like veterinarians or 84 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: people who travel abroad, and you know, those are things 85 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: that we don't really talk about with all patients, and 86 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: that's kind of what led me to put that subject 87 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: in the book, and that's how I chose. Many of 88 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: the things that you'll see in the book are, you know, 89 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: things that you are surrounded with, dangers of everyday life 90 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: that you can avoid. So there's a lot of like 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: little tidbits in there. For instance, you know, not feeding 92 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 3: honey to a baby under one as it can cause botulism, 93 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 3: being very careful with water consumption for children under six 94 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: months for the same reason that copious water consumption is 95 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: dangerous for adults. If you drink enough water, you will 96 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,559 Speaker 3: cause low sodium in your blood and that can cause 97 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: brain swelling and seizures and you know, life threatening. It's 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: called hyponeutremia, and that issue is something that's far more 99 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 3: common than we know. They've looked at actually Boston Marathon 100 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: runners and it's very prevalent within that group during that race, 101 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: and luckily most people end up doing okay, but if 102 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: you don't, it can be life threatening. And this isn't 103 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: something that you know never happens. For instance, the actress 104 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: Brooks Shield, she actually suffered from a seizure from low 105 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: sodium and her blood due to drinking too much water, 106 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: and it might have been what actually killed the actor 107 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: Bruce Lee. So these things are much more common than 108 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: we we know. We just don't talk about them in 109 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: general society enough. And they're you know, very preventable. So 110 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: there's a lot of tidbits in there just to keep 111 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: you alive. 112 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: Well, a good example that you just talked about. Oftentimes 113 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: you'll here people give you the advice, well, you've got 114 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: to drink like six gallons of water a day or 115 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: something like that. I mean, I'm obviously exaggerating a little bit, 116 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: but no one says, hey, you know, they'll tell you 117 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: don't drink too much wine, don't drink too much beer, 118 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: don't drink too much alcohol, But no one I've ever 119 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: heard say don't drink too much water. 120 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: It's about yeah, it's about balancing water with electrolytes, you know. 121 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: So but also you know there's a recommended amount of 122 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: water and there's a reason for that, right, It's because 123 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 3: you can't drink eight gallons of water because that becomes 124 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: very dangerous. You know, eight glasses a day is what 125 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 3: the recommendation generally is. But you know, and there's a 126 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: lot of things like that that kind of come up 127 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 3: in everyday life that even I was unaware of. For instance, 128 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: I learned in kind of researching for the book that 129 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 3: most houses in the US actually don't have carbon monoxide 130 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: detectors because they're not something that are required federally, and 131 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: they're not required in schools and daycares. So we all 132 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: have fire alarms, which you know eventually you're gonna fare 133 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: out of your house is on fire, But carbon monoxide 134 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: is an odorless gas that you can't see and you 135 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 3: don't know when it's there, so it's a silent killer. 136 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: And without a carbon monoxide detector, which costs twenty bucks, 137 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: you and your family could suffer, you know, detrimental losses, 138 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: including to your life. So you know, these little things 139 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: are just kind of all around us, and it's good 140 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: to not be scared of them, but it's also good 141 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: to be educated on them so you can avoid them. 142 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: That's a regional issue because here in Massachusetts or in 143 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: New England, we have a lot of rocky rocks underneath us, 144 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: and that provides a lot of that and also radon 145 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: we're kind of aware of that. This sounds like a 146 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: great book. How long has it been out and is 147 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: it already available? 148 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: So it isn't out yet. It's out for pre orders 149 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: so you can be one of the first ones to 150 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: get it. But it comes out on the thirteenth of January, 151 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: so next week, which is really exciting. I'll be doing 152 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: a couple events, including one in Boston at the Harvard 153 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: Bookstore on January twentieth at seven pm. Also be in 154 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: DC and out at Park City at the Sundance Film 155 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: Festival doing different things for the book. So I would 156 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: love to meet people who are interested in it, and 157 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: I hope people you know, will read it and enjoy it, 158 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: and you know, I think if enough people read it, 159 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: it'll save someone's life. 160 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: Now, the event in Boston is on which day? 161 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: It is on Tuesday, January twentieth at seven pm at 162 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: the Harvard Bookstore. 163 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: And is that in the one that's in Harvard Square. Yes, okay, Well, 164 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: well again, this sounds like just a great book. I 165 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: think everyone will be interested in it. I think the 166 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 2: sequel that you could have is the one way that 167 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: is a good way to die, and you could write 168 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: about people who go to bed and just you know, 169 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: die in their sleep quietly. 170 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: Pain I know, that's everybody. 171 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that might be a book too. You know 172 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: what you what you can do. I mean, it's it's 173 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: it's something that just is hard to contemplate. I have 174 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: friends who will talk about how as you get older, 175 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: and as I get older, you think about this. I 176 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: had a friend of mine, a dear friend of mine, 177 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: who was who, if he had survived, would have turned 178 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: ninety today. I'm sorry, one of the most important influential 179 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: people in my life, not a relative. And I spoke 180 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: with his beautiful wife, who is in that age range. 181 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: She's six months younger than him, but she's doing great. 182 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 2: I just told her, I said, there's no way that 183 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: I could not call you tonight. And she's in she's 184 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: in the middle of a snowstorm in Kansas. 185 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: But but I'm from San. 186 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: Diego, so we don't do great with snow. But I mean, 187 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: one of the reasons that I went into medicine and 188 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: wrote this book was my mom, who I lost when 189 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 3: I was younger. So I understand that type of loss. 190 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 3: And I think that the thing that that type of 191 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 3: losses taught me is how precious life is. And you know, 192 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: just to you that for whatever you can to do good, 193 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 3: you know, absolutely, and sounds. 194 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: To me like this book will do a lot of 195 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: good for people, and I hope that they do order it. 196 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: I assume that's most easily through Amazon. 197 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: Honestly, you can get it anywhere independent bookstores, Amazon, Barnes, 198 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 3: and Noble. It's available wherever books are sold. 199 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: Okay, great, Well not quite yet, it's not. The pub 200 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: data isn't until the thirteenth, so I don't want people 201 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: going out tomorrow. But they can order it. They can 202 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 2: pre order it. 203 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: You can pre order online. 204 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: Thanks so much, doctor Ashley. I really appreciate it so much. 205 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me in Boston and go to Bartley's 206 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: Burgers if they're still open in Harvard Square. They have 207 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 2: the best burger in the world. 208 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for the Yeah, I'll. 209 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 2: Take talk sooner, Thank you so much. When we get back, 210 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about you, have you bought a 211 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: car lately or tried to buy a car. We're going 212 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: to talk about bait and switch pricing that if you're 213 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: in the market for a call, which I am right now, 214 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I'm looking to pick up 215 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: some tips here from Ray Schefska, co founder and CEO 216 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 2: of car Edge, He's going to tell us how to 217 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 2: be a little smarter when we are buying either used 218 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: cars or new cars. Coming back on Nightside right after. 219 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: This, It's Night Side with Boston's news radio. 220 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: If you're in the market for a new car or 221 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: a used car, gather around the radio, folks and listen closely, 222 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: because Ray Schefskat, my guest, co founder and CEO of 223 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: car Edge, has a lot of tips and ideas to 224 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: avoid bait and switching. Ray, good evening, How are you, sir, good? 225 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: Damning you so good to be with you, right. 226 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: Back at you now. Look, I think all of us 227 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 2: have heard the phrase bait and switch, but it is 228 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: used very effectively in the car business, and those of 229 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: us who are walking in the show rooms, walking on 230 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 2: a used car lots, we have to be aware of this. 231 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: So why did you, for those few members of my audience, 232 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: perhaps who have never heard the term, explain to us 233 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: what it means and then how we can avoid becoming 234 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: victims of baiting and switching. 235 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: Well, bait and switch for automobile dealers is typically they're 236 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: online pricing that they show. If you were to go 237 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: to your local dealership's website and click on a vehicle. 238 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: It might show say an eight or a ten thousand 239 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: dollars discount. You're thinking yourself, my goodness, that's a great deal. Oh, 240 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: I can't wait to go in and look at the 241 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: car and purchase it. And then when you get in 242 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: you find out that, well, that eight or ten thousand 243 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: dollars discount doesn't really exist because you and no one 244 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: else in America would qualify for all the rebates that 245 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: they used to show that discounted price. Oh and then 246 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: there's the deal or installed accessories that they're going to 247 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: have on top of those that price. And well, that 248 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: is your classic bait and switch from an automobile dealership. 249 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: Okay, so why is that not illegal? You go into 250 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: the supermarket and you buy a can of soup, or 251 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: a loaf of bread, or a gallon of milk, and 252 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: it tells you what the price is there, and it's 253 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: not as if you get to the counter and the 254 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: milk that says it's one ninety nine rings up at 255 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: five bucks and you say, whoa waits second, it said 256 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: one ninety nine and you're ringing me up for five what? Well, 257 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: I must have been a mistake. I mean they got 258 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: to where's where's the fairness in pricing? Or whomever would 259 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: would would somehow in some way regulate that. 260 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: I think you hit the nail on the head and 261 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: you said, well, but why isn't that illegal? It is illegal. 262 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: It is against the most state laws to not advertise 263 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: the accurate price of the vehicle, and most dealerships get 264 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: away with it because there's very little enforcement when it 265 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: comes to date and switch pricing. Most attorney general's offices 266 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: just don't have the personnel to run around the state 267 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: and track down every dealer that's doing this. And so 268 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: if there's no enforcement of the existing laws, dealers will 269 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: continue to do it. 270 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: Now I wonder if perhaps they don't have the inclination, 271 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: and that maybe automobile businesses make donations political donations, and 272 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: and that is is a way in which perhaps this 273 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: practice the certain you know, prosecutors are are not so 274 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: anxious to prosecute. 275 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: Are Are you suggesting that there's lobbying efforts on behalf 276 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: of automobile dealership groups and in every state in America? 277 00:14:54,600 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: No, I would never suggest that publicly. I like that. Okay, 278 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: So what happens you walk in and they said to you, 279 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: well that we just sold it. It's too bad you 280 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: weren't in an hour ago. You know, the guy bought 281 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: the car or whatever. So but we got another great 282 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: car over here that it costs a little more than 283 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: eight or ten thousand dollars, it's as sixteen to five 284 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: or is whatever. And then they hit you with all 285 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: everybody has been hit with. Do you want the warranty? 286 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: Do you want the fifteen year warranty? All of that? 287 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: What about the insurance and the tires? Which of those 288 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: are good investments? Are good purchases and which are you know, 289 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: just a fool's my throwing funny out the window of 290 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: the cars you drive off the lot. 291 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: It depends when when the dealerships talk about the vehicle 292 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: service contracts or extended warranties for vehicles. It depends on 293 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: the price that they're charging you. Dealerships tend to mark 294 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: it up two, three, sometimes four times above them beyond 295 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: their cost on those things. So you have to realize 296 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: that if you see value in an extended warranty and 297 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: they tell you it's thirty nine to ninety five three thousand, 298 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: nine ninety five dollars, well it might have cost them 299 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: thirteen hundred. So guess what. You can negotiate it. Everything 300 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: that is offered to you at the dealership is negotiable. 301 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: They start at very high prices and if you see 302 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: value in it, as I used to suggest, to an 303 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: extended warranty is like health insurance for your car, just 304 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: like you have health insurance. You hope to God you 305 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: never need it, but if you do your cover. Okay. 306 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: The one other questions I have right now, and there 307 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: are a lot of people, and I'm gonna I'm gonna 308 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: pick your brain here because you're a smart guy and 309 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: you know what's going on. I what made a call 310 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: maybe a couple of years ago. I heard one of 311 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: these ads where you pay you buy insurance no matter 312 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: how old your car is, and you never have to 313 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: pay anything and if you transmission does no problem. You 314 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: know the ads I'm talking about. And sure, I called 315 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: up and just you know, want to know a little 316 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: bit about it. Had a nice conversation, It wasn't interested, 317 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: just you know, made a judgment. I must have had 318 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: this company call me back twenty times, you know, I 319 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: mean it was like, can you lose my number? And 320 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: it was very aggressive. It was very aggressive. What do 321 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: you think of those sorts of you know this is 322 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: you know you'll never have to pay a bill. You 323 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: can take it to your own to your own mechanics. 324 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: Who was it that said a sucker is born every minute? 325 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: You know? It's Pt Barnam. 326 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: I believe, I believe you're correct, and he was correct. 327 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: Let's face and if you have a used card that's 328 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: got one hundred and fifty thousand miles on it, and 329 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: you know it has stuff that's wrong and broken already, 330 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: they're not going to cover It's like your mouth insurance. 331 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: They don't want to cover existing conditions, so they're not 332 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: going to cover those items. And those type of extended 333 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: warranties are what's called exclusionary policies, and you have to 334 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: read very carefully because they exclude most of the items 335 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: that would tend to break down. And what it does, however, 336 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: is it makes the celebrity pitch person a whole bunch 337 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: of money if they can afford to pay that celebrity, 338 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: they can't afford to pay the repair costs. Trust me 339 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: what I tell you, Well, remember. 340 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: When your mother told you if the deal sounds like 341 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: it's too good to be true, it probably is. 342 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: It's exactly correct. 343 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: Am. 344 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: I use that wine all the time. My son has 345 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: no idea what the hell I'm talking about. 346 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: That's okay. You and I can always talk and we 347 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 2: can we can commiserate together. Ray, how could folks get 348 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: in touch with you? If do you have a book out? 349 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: Most people come on here, come on for all the 350 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: right reasons, but they also sometimes may have something that 351 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: they'd like to sell or a website. What what what 352 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 2: service can we give to my audience? 353 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: We help people level the playing field when it comes 354 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: to buy a car. And the name of our company 355 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: is car Edge C A R E. 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Although Vovo's they'll tell you will 366 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: run forever, and I am in the market for a 367 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: new car. Ray, I'm going to call you and I 368 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: will pay you as a client to help me figure 369 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: this all out. Well, has money to be saved? 370 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: Oh, there absolutely is money to be saved, and we're 371 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: here to help any way. 372 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: Weekend, Ray Chefska, thank you so much. This was a 373 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: great segment. Co founder and CEO of car Edge C A. R. E. 374 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: Ed g E. I assume it's a dot com. 375 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: It is indeed great so much. 376 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 2: Thank you much. Enjoy Wildcard weekend and I hope whatever 377 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: team you're rooting for wins. 378 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: Thanks Ray, Well, I hope the Pats win for you, 379 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: and yes, have a great weekend. 380 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: All right, thanks very much. When we get back right 381 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: after the news at the bottom of they are going 382 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: to talk with doctor Doug Coward. He's a veterinarian author 383 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: of inhaling Both Ends of the Leash. I'm looking forward 384 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: to this conversation coming back right after the news at 385 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour. 386 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: It's night time on. 387 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 2: Boston's news radio. Let us now introduce you to doctor 388 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 2: Doug Coward. He's a veterinarian author of a book in 389 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: healing Both Ends of the Leash, and the subtitle I'm 390 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: Not sure if it's the subtitle, but it basically is 391 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: how real food, rest movement, and connection to the natural 392 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: world can restore vitality to animals and people alike. Healing 393 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: less about complex drugs and more about returning to life's essentials. 394 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 2: I'm buying what you're laying down here, doctor Coward. How 395 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: are you tonight? 396 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm good. Thank you, Dan. It's a great honor 397 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: to be on WBC. It's just a little neighborhood that 398 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: Orange County compared to the people you've interviewed. 399 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: Well, you're in a better part of the world at 400 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: this time of year out in Orange County, that is 401 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: for sure. Let's talk about the book. Is the book 402 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: out and available? One of the authors who I spoke 403 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: with earlier, their pub date is next Tuesday. Is this 404 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 2: book available at this point? 405 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: Yes, it came out November fifteenth on Amazon, So a 406 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: link on the website to get there, and it's pretty inexpensive. 407 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm dominating any proceed age to help homeless animals and 408 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: pets of homeless people and wildlife care up at UC Davis. 409 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know you and I are our soulmates in 410 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: many respects. I am a huge dog lover. I'm crazy 411 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: about dogs. And the official charity of this program is 412 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: called the Shadow Fund, and it's a program that is 413 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 2: run with no administrative cost out of the Massachusetts School 414 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 2: of Law. I'm not a graduate. I'm a graduate of 415 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: Boston University School of Law, but I delivered a commencement 416 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 2: addressed there several years ago. And there's an assistant dean 417 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: up there named Diane Sullivan who founded this charity, Shadow Fund, 418 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: in which we provide, we raise some money and we 419 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 2: provide veterinaric here for people who do not have the 420 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: funds to provide veterinary care for their animals. And there 421 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: are a lot of people who are living, you know, 422 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: literally day to day or paycheck to paycheck. And she's 423 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: put together a cadre of veterinarians up in Merrimack Valley, 424 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: which is part of north northern Massachusetts. And she does 425 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: great work and it's a great program. So let's talk 426 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: about your book, which I guess talks about how people 427 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: and dogs need to have better food, they need to rest, 428 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: they need to have some exercise, they need to help 429 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: take care of one another. 430 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: It sounds to me like, yeah, I went to med 431 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: school to be a wildlife Matt. So I never expected 432 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: to be working on pets, but there weren't your wildlife 433 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: jobs when I graduated. So I ended up working with 434 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: a wildlife dermatologist suited mostly dogs and cats, and he 435 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: was the first one who really stress food. We were 436 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: always told scientifically formulated food was best, no table scraps. 437 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: And I saw a dog, a young bet at a 438 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: winery up in central coast of California, that was running 439 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: around like it swallowed a jet engine and a beautiful 440 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: coat belonged to the wine corps. And I just said, 441 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: that's the most beautiful dog or healthiest dog I've seen. 442 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: She said, if the stupid bets have their way to 443 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: be dead, So everybody in my family twisted their finger 444 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: at me. And I have vocation. And her dog was 445 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: really lame at four months with bad hips, and her 446 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: vet said, you know, you should turn this dog back 447 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: to the breeder. He'll need major surgery. He'll be in 448 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: pain all his life. So she did, and the breeder 449 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: was happy to give her a new dog, but she 450 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: found they were going to euthanize her, so she quickly 451 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: grabbed it. And this is in nineteen eighty seven. There's 452 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: no Internet. She'd heard through the grapevine there was a 453 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: chiropractor up in Monterey Bay who had a gift for 454 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: healing this dog. So I got her number and called 455 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: her up, and she just laid into me. She said, 456 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: I get him off the stupid food, you stupid fet speed, 457 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: and then you give them drugs that make worse. That's insane, 458 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: and I'm going, I'm really sorry. I just graduated from Davis. 459 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be a good vet school, but we 460 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: were taught to do surgery. But it sort of, you know, 461 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: made sense the real food because I'd spent a year 462 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: I'd been playing basketball in Australia after college, and then 463 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: I spent a year traveling from Australia through Africa looking 464 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: at wildlife everywhere, and they all looked incredibly healthy and 465 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: they were eating real food. So I had five dogs 466 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: schedule to get new hips. I thought I was doing 467 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: the right thing. I called them all up because there 468 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: was a big waiting list. I said, I don't know 469 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: if this will work, but you would like to try 470 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: feeding your food from the grocery store. And they said, 471 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: we'll do anything to get our dogs out of pain. 472 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 1: And after a month, every dog was running and jumping 473 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: and never had surgery. Some had bad skin that improved, 474 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: and I thought, there is no drug on earth that'll 475 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: do that. And I tried to find where I could 476 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: get more in from and learned there was a holistic 477 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: vet group and joined it and was welcome to the 478 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: dark side, as some of them said. And so I've 479 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: been preaching real food ever since and found that it 480 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: just dramatically improves the health of dogs. And I'm pretty 481 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: much doubled the lifespan of cats who kind of get 482 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: addicted to process food, just like. 483 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 2: Okay, so let me let me in the few minutes 484 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: we have left. And I find this to be fascinating. 485 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 2: When you say real food, Let's break it down, you're 486 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: not talking about I assume substituting milk for water, you know, 487 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 2: milk instead of water. I assume they still need to 488 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: intake just water. Correct. Did we lose him here? Ub, 489 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: Can you try to get him back quickly here? Because 490 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: I don't know how we lost him there. I hope 491 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: he wasn't in a car. If you could just let 492 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: me know real quickly. You got the number there, so 493 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 2: we'll punch him back up. We're talking with doctor Doug Coward. 494 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: He's a vet near and he's author of a book 495 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 2: called Inhaling Both Ends of the Leaf, how real food, 496 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: rest movement, and connection to the natural world can restore 497 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 2: vitality in animals and people alike. Healing is less about 498 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 2: complex drugs and more about returning to life's essentials. So 499 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 2: we have, I think, set it up and talked about 500 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 2: exactly what the subject is. But what I want to 501 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: get him to do now is to define for me 502 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: what he means by real food. I mean, it's not 503 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: going through, okay. So in that case, if you just 504 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 2: keep trying, Rob, I would appreciate it, And maybe he 505 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: has the ability to call back. Either way. If he 506 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: does call back, let him know that we will plug 507 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: the book here. So I was trying to get him 508 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: to define for me what he meant by real food, 509 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: and it sounded to me as if he was saying 510 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 2: real food that you would get in a grocery store. Now, 511 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: there's a lot of food you can get in the 512 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: grocery store which is good, tastes good, but necessarily isn't 513 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: good for you. And I think all of you know 514 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: of what I speak. There's a lot of food that 515 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: is in the grocery store, which is very healthy. So 516 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 2: I think what he's probably saying is that vegetables, because 517 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: I know when we got my dog Charlie, our dog 518 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: Charlie back in two thousand, the emphasis by the breeder 519 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: at that time was that that we would actually cook 520 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 2: vegetables every night for his dinner. And there's also a 521 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: way in which I used to, you know, cook hamburger 522 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 2: for him and so he and often we would mix 523 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: it in with his kibble and that sort of thing. However, 524 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: in order to get the answers to my questions, I 525 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: think you're going to have to look for the book. 526 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: So let me give you all circuits are busy. Well 527 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: that goes for phone service in Orange, California. We've run 528 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: out of time. So what I'm going to suggest is one, 529 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to apologize that we lost him, and I 530 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: rob when he calls back later, let him know that 531 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: he can listen to the interview tomorrow and he can 532 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: hear where he dropped off. And so what I'm going 533 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: to do is encourage any of you who have pets 534 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: and would like to at least read what doctor Doug 535 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: Coward had to say. The book is healing both ends 536 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 2: of the leash. Obviously you the human and the pet 537 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: on the other end of the leash. How real food, rest, movement, 538 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: and in connection to the natural world can restore vitality 539 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: to animals and people alike. So real food gets we 540 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: need that to be defined. Rest is understandable. I think 541 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: most pets will tell you when they're tired. Movement means 542 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: get some exercise and connection to the natural world. It 543 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 2: means get outdoors and smell the flowers a little bit 544 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: in whatever way you can with your pet. The real 545 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: food is the one that I wanted to drill down on. 546 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: So we have lost him and we have to move 547 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: on after this break to a different guest. But again, 548 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: the book is healing both ends of the leash. Is 549 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: not a Machiavelli employed to get you to buy the book. 550 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: But if I had a pet that I was responsible 551 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: for right now, I'm a grandparent of Willie the Dog, 552 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: Willy the Wonder Dog, and Mustard the Corgi, I would 553 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: be buying this book. And maybe I'll buy this book 554 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: from my kids. Healing both ends of the leash, that 555 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: is the book in healing, In healing both ends of 556 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: the leash by doctor Doug Doug Coward Coward like Noel Coward, 557 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: the actor. Okay, we'll take a break when we come 558 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 2: back on and talk with Jonathan Lane, the executive director 559 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: of Revolution two fifty, talk about the two hundred and 560 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: fiftieth anniversary of Henry Knox and the noble train of 561 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: artillery that took. It's going to be taking place this 562 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: weekend Sunday in Blantford, Massachusetts at the Blandford Fairground. So 563 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 2: if you're a Western Massachusetts listener or anywhere in New 564 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: England you want to listen up, you may be able 565 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: to participate in this historic ceremony. You're on Night Side 566 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: with Dan Ray on w b Z, Boston's news radio. 567 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. We are having problems with our phones, 568 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: which is not a It's not something that we're not 569 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: used to, that's for sure. My apologies to my guest 570 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 2: a last segment. Let me now introduce you to Jonathan Lane. 571 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 2: He's the executive director of Revolution two fifty Revolution two five. 572 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: Oh Jonathan Lane. Nice to hear your voice, and I 573 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: mean that from the bottom of the heart more ways 574 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: than one. How are you tonight? 575 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm well, Dan, Thanks for having me on. 576 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're better off than I am. Right now, you're 577 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: with the Blandford Historical Society. So tell us first of 578 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: all about the Blandford Historical Society, and then all tell 579 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: us also tell us about Revolution two fifty. Yeah. 580 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: Look, the bland for Historical Society is one of a 581 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: number of historical societies out in the Berkshires that are 582 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: really pouring their heart and soul into commemorating the two 583 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of Henry Knox and his epic 584 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: journey bringing the cannons from Fort Tae Kwonderoga to Boston. 585 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: And Knox actually spent about three days in Blanford waiting 586 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: for all the cannons and teens to kind of catch 587 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: up to the front group which he was traveling with. 588 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: So we're talking seventeen seventy six. 589 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, Knox was sent out to Taekwondo Roga 590 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: in November of seventy five, and he tried to get 591 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: the cannons to move very quickly, but they actually didn't 592 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: leave Lake George until about the first January. 593 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: Okay, and what role did the canons? Again? There are 594 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: historians out there. 595 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so look, Washington was in a bit of a 596 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: stalemate with the Siege of Boston. The British were cooped 597 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: up on the Charlestown Peninsula and the Suffolk Peninsula, and 598 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: the Americans just didn't have the artillery to drive the 599 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: British out, most importantly the British Navy, which controlled the 600 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: harbor and the approaches to Boston. So when Fort Tykonderovera 601 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: was captured in May of seventeen seventy five, Washington knew 602 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: that that was a place where he could get the 603 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: kinds of artillery large bore cannons, mortars, and howitzers that 604 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: would be crucial to driving the British out to Boston. 605 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: And he met this twenty five year old bookseller who 606 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: was six two to twenty five, really impressed him with 607 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: his leadership skills, and so he put him in charge 608 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: of this effort. 609 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: So, of course, in those days, there's there's horses, but 610 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: there's no internet, there's no telephone connections. How long a 611 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: process did it did it take for Washington to get 612 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: the message up to Knox if Fort taykonder Roga as 613 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: to what needed to be done that did not happen overnight. 614 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: I assume well, Knox in Knox and Washington were together 615 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: in Boston, and so Washington gives me Mocks a letter 616 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: of introduction to Philip Schuyler out in New York, who's 617 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: in charge of that whole military district, and he gives 618 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: them a thousand dollars and says, bring me back guns, 619 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: as many guns as you can. And Knocks went out there, 620 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: and it did take longer than Knox wanted it too. 621 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: He expected it only be a couple of weeks journey. 622 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: But in reality, by the time he had gathered all 623 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: of the sleds, and he originally wanted oxen, but he 624 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: ended up using mostly horses, and by the time he 625 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: got them all together, and by the time the rivers froze, 626 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: which is a crucial part of the story, then it 627 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: froze to a depth deep enough that can handle a 628 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: team of animals that weighs a ton or two, and 629 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: cannons that way up to two tons. So he was 630 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,760 Speaker 1: puzzled by both animals and weather. But he had regular 631 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: correspondence with Washington, and it would take the better part 632 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: of a week for a letter to get back and forth. 633 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 2: Wow, what was the connection to Blandford? I have some 634 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: sense of where Blanford is. You're obviously in western what 635 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 2: I would consider to be western or Western. 636 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Blanford. And really so when Knox brings the 637 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: cannons back, we envision Knox, you know, trying to push 638 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: through this wilderness. But in fact, a military road had 639 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: been built during the French and Indian Wars by Lloyd 640 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Amherst. And he built it from West Springfield on 641 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: the west side of the Connecticut River all the way 642 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: out to Albany. And he went through and he followed 643 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: the terrain. He utilized old paths that had been used 644 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,439 Speaker 1: by the indigenous peoples for millennia, and he just made 645 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: them a little bit wider. He needed it for men wide, 646 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: which is how the British marched so Blanford. So when 647 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: you when you get to Westfield, of course you're faced 648 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: with you know, they viewed them as mountains. Of course, 649 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: in comparison to the Rockies or the Alps, they're really 650 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: nothing but the steep hills and deep ravines. And so 651 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: he cut the best road he could and it goes 652 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: through places like Blandford and Russell and Monterey and Otis 653 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: and Sandisfield, these tiny little towns, and they actually turn 654 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: out to be crucial to Knox's success because all of 655 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: these little communities, all that had farmers who knew how 656 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: to use teams because they're using them for logging and 657 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: other heavy work like road building. And Knox knew, and 658 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: this is true throughout the whole war. He knows he 659 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: can rely on these people for their aid and support. 660 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: They're not going to do it for free, but he 661 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: knows that they have the skill and the resources and 662 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: the perseverance to do the hard work. 663 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 2: So how long did Trek take to get from ty 664 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 2: for konder Roga to back here? 665 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: All right? So it took him nine days to get 666 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: down Lake George, And that was supposed to be the 667 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: easy part of the journey, but again whether ice forming 668 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: on the lake, they had boats capsized, they had boats sunk, 669 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: so they it took them nine days to get all 670 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: the cannons down the lake. And when they got down 671 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: to the lake about the middle of December, they then 672 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: had to wait for about two two and a half 673 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: weeks before they got all the horses. Once they got 674 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: all the teams together and the rivers froze, he was 675 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: in Albany by the fourth of January. He crossed into 676 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: Massachusetts on the tenth of January, and by the eighteenth 677 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: of January, the first cannons arrived in framing him, where 678 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: they would sit for several weeks while all the carpenters 679 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 1: and wheelwrights in the area worked together to build gun carriages. 680 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: Because Knox did not bring any of those. 681 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 2: Wow, and the event is on Sunday. Give us how 682 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 2: that people can get there. Just go to the Blandford 683 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,720 Speaker 2: Town Green, I assume. 684 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's just several events this weekend. We have 685 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: an event in Alfred tomorrow morning at ten o'clock with 686 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: the State of New York. We're doing sort of a 687 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: state to state handoff. Then we have an event in 688 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: Great Barrington in the afternoon, and then Blamford is on 689 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: Sunday and they've got bonfires and people who are going 690 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: to portray citizens of seventeen twelve. 691 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 2: Have to ask you do here if you don't mind, Jonathan, 692 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 2: because we're pressed on time, give us the website that 693 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: people can get the information at. 694 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: Sure, the best place to go is www dot Revolution 695 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: two fifty dot org. 696 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 2: Perfect. All you have to say is Revolution two fifty 697 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 2: dot org. Jonathan, I so appreciate you taking the time 698 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 2: tonight to talk about it, and I hope you have 699 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 2: a very successful weekend as we continue the year long 700 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 2: celebration of the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. Thank you, Jonathan, 701 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, You're welcome. We get back, Hopefully we'll have 702 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 2: phones working by then and we'll do three hours of 703 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 2: talk rat If not, you're going to listen to the 704 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 2: longest speech by a talk show host in history. Coming 705 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 2: back on Nightside