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Speaker 1: They stay up there. Today we talk with Judge Leah

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Speaker 1: dink Locker, who would really appreciate your vote in November.

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Speaker 1: on the fifty five care See Morning Show. Spending a

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Speaker 1: Tech Farday with Dave Hatter, what caused the Rizon outage?

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Speaker 1: That's a real actually is quite eye opening. Apparently one

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Speaker 1: we talk about with Dave Hatter. He has an opinion

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Speaker 1: something the FTC has addressed. Frightening stuff GM's been doing

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Speaker 1: and in studio his podcast Charged Conversations. He's brilliant when

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Speaker 1: it comes to matters involving electricity generation, grid needs, and

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Speaker 1: that on a regular basis. Brigham account from Hudson Institute

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Speaker 1: returns the program in studio for the seven o'clock hour.

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Speaker 1: We've got lots of talk about, including Pennsylvania having a

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Speaker 1: grid continue to increase, and they are increasing by just

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Speaker 1: leaps and bounds, exponential increase in demands, mostly driven by

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Speaker 1: hooking up to the grid. We can't keep up with it.

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Speaker 1: And the biggest culprit in the room, the biggest problem

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Speaker 1: I may argue again on the idea of eliminating carbon

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Speaker 1: dioxide Jecko, what it did to Germany, biggest economy in Europe,

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Speaker 1: at an article which everybody needs to read, I'm maybe

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Speaker 1: able to throw in a few just boil down facts

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Speaker 1: from this article. Ian Miller, writing on behalf of OutKick,

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Speaker 1: which rewatched early this year in January, rewatched an Inconvenient

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Speaker 1: Truth by our friend Al Gore. You remember that two

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Speaker 1: Just based on the I know he predicted a lot

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Speaker 1: everybody got all ginder. Oh my god, we're all gonna die.

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Speaker 1: That's why we had Brigham McCown to talk about the

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Speaker 1: realities of these stupid regulations. Anyway, Corey Bowman will be

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Speaker 1: Greg Landsman's million dollars that he allegedly secured in that

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Speaker 1: Corey Bullman on that, I'm sure in a lot more.

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Speaker 1: Then finally, Jack wins are edited in chief of the

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Speaker 1: Ohio Press Network and host of The Windsor Report. Jacksonan

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Speaker 1: Coming up in less than an hour. An outside panel

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Speaker 1: ordered the city of since Ay to fully reinstate a

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Speaker 1: veteran police captain, Danita Pettis, who was fired two years

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Speaker 1: the former. Actually, fifty five year old Pettis worked for

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Speaker 1: say police chief three Stigi fired her. Remember she's on

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Speaker 1: Oh, can't do that to your boss. You might get fired.

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Speaker 1: Guess what she won her arbitration. She's on paid adminision.

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Speaker 1: speaking with the News and arbita Penel has ordered a

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Speaker 1: the full reinstatement of Cincinni Police Chief Captain Danita Pettis

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Speaker 1: administration's unfounded effort to terminate a respected officer. This decision

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Speaker 1: Captain Pettis endured a fabricated process aimed solely at forcing

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Speaker 1: Find out what the motivations were behind it. Clearly the

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Speaker 1: it well, apparently recording the neighbors constantly and very He

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Speaker 1: never shuts his windows, even though they're just just feet

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Speaker 1: away from theirs in the adjacent building. Ms McClintock, calling

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Speaker 1: it traumatic, said she feels helpless in the face of

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Speaker 1: the unwanted and endless skin shows. She's recorded the naked

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Speaker 1: neighbor and even called police. She said she was placed

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Speaker 1: on hold for so long that she just gave up.

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Speaker 1: This is Los Angeles. This is not really an emergency

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Speaker 1: as you may perceive it is anyway, but there are

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Speaker 1: people getting gunned down in the street, so they tend

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Speaker 1: to prioritize those of the police when seconds matter. Anyway. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: he's definitely touched himself, she said. I've seen him touch

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Speaker 1: himself several times as he lays in the bed and

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Speaker 1: you can kind of see what he's doing. Her son, Michael,

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Speaker 1: has also been exposed to the same thing. She said.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll be coming back from school and I'm or rather,

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Speaker 1: he said, sometimes I'll be coming back from school and

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing him naked, or I'm cooking or I'm eating

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Speaker 1: in the living room w TV and I look and

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Speaker 1: I just see him naked. It's just really disgusting and

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Speaker 1: I hate it, said her son, Michael Perio.

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Speaker 6: Is the biggest douche of the universe, in all the galaxies.

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Speaker 6: There's no bigger douche than you. You've reached the top,

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Speaker 6: the pinnacle of douche. Dum good going douze. Your dreams

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Speaker 6: have come true?

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Speaker 1: Question is this criminal? She's contacting the departments managers and

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Speaker 1: his apartments managers so far haven't done anything. She's even

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Speaker 1: stuck a large note in her window urging him to

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Speaker 1: close his blinds when he's naked. She said he doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem to care. The response I got back was him

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Speaker 1: telling me to close my blinds. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: to do. Legal antimists analyst it's the local news there

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Speaker 1: said the naked neighbor could face charges in certain circumstances.

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Speaker 1: According to this legal animal, Alison Tressel, if he is

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Speaker 1: willfully exposing his genitalia to other people and they are

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Speaker 1: annoyed or offended by it, and if he is intended

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Speaker 1: to direct their attention to his genitalia specifically for sexual

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Speaker 1: arousal or to be sexually offensive, he'll be looking at

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Speaker 1: an indecent exposure charge. Hmm, that's a tough row to hoe.

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Speaker 1: You actually have to prove his men's real estate. Why

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Speaker 1: was he doing it? Was it for his own sexual gratification,

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Speaker 1: or maybe he's got some sort of mental problem, or

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Speaker 1: maybe he's just well, choose your own appropriate FCC non

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Speaker 1: compliant way of describing this guy. Let's see here. Washington Police,

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Speaker 1: Washington State Police, our state patrol rather stop the naked

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Speaker 1: woman in the Snowhomage County last month, ended up arresting

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Speaker 1: her for DUI. Washington State trooper pulled over the driver

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Speaker 1: a quarter after three in the morning December sixth, told

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Speaker 1: a woman he stopped her because she was sleeping or speeding,

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Speaker 1: rather weaving and following too closely, and then he discovered

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Speaker 1: the one behind the wheel was naked. He asked, where

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Speaker 1: are your clothes? Woman said, pointing to a pile of

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Speaker 1: clothes next to her. There a's this tradition logically. The

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Speaker 1: next question, why aren't you wearing them? Her reply, I

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Speaker 1: don't actually know.

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Speaker 7: I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: Okay. He asked her to get dressed and form a

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Speaker 1: field sobriety test body came her footage, so the woman

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Speaker 1: told the trooper that she'd been in Seattle dancing. She

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Speaker 1: admitted that she had alcohol and marijuana. Following that admission,

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Speaker 1: he arrested on suspicion or the UI took her to

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Speaker 1: this Sonoma's County jail. I don't know. Reminds me of

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Speaker 1: fast times at Ridgemont High. Right, mister hand Jeffster flashback

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Speaker 1: five forty five. If you have karsit talks and more

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Speaker 1: from the stack. After these brief words, this is fifty

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Speaker 1: five karc and iHeart five fifty. I think about KERROCV

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Speaker 1: talk station. Happy Friday. Always prefer phones over the stack

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Speaker 1: is stupid. We'll get back to the stack of stupid

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Speaker 1: after we take Hank's call. Hey, Hank, thanks for calling

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday. The youth, sir, more than.

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Speaker 8: Brian and good health to you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man.

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Speaker 8: If it makes if it makes anybody out there feel

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Speaker 8: any better about our government situation, this situation with government

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Speaker 8: being a pain in the butt. Remember one of our

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Speaker 8: founding fathers said that government is at best and necessary

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Speaker 8: evil and at worst an intolerable one. Yes, so this

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Speaker 8: is not a new situation. It's something we've had to

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Speaker 8: deal with for a long time. But in that vein

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Speaker 8: of Tom talking about Democrats and Republicans, and Democrats being

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Speaker 8: worse than the choice of the two. Here's suggestion for

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Speaker 8: the Republican Party for a campaign, of course, and the

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Speaker 8: Republican the less room of two evils.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Yeah, that's the best you can come

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Speaker 1: up with, Hank. And that's the truth. I would agree

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Speaker 1: with you all day long. A friend's to me meme

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Speaker 1: the other day. It's a picture of a guy cracking up,

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Speaker 1: really out me making fun of Democrats, and then right

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Speaker 1: blow out the same photograph me making fun of Republicans. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you will find me embracing that philosophy all day long.

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Speaker 1: Stupid is as stupid does. Stupid is revealed by what

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Speaker 1: they do and what they say, and what they foist

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Speaker 1: down upon us, and their failure to properly account for

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Speaker 1: the taxpayer dollars they steal from us every day. Remember,

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Speaker 1: you're make an argument about slavery. You are working, and

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Speaker 1: you are a by law subject to pay the taxes

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Speaker 1: or they'll haul you off to jail and garnish your

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Speaker 1: wages or otherwise wall you'll have serious, significant repercussions. You

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Speaker 1: got no choice. You must toil for all of these

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Speaker 1: programs when they don't care at all what happens at

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Speaker 1: the end, in the end, with their money, until someone

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Speaker 1: lifts the veil over the secret. See what's going on

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Speaker 1: out there in the world. Has anybody heard about Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota lately? Back to the stack of stupid, a Texas

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Speaker 1: middle school teacher accused of having sex with This is

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Speaker 1: insanity a fourteen year old in a Walmart park parking lot,

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Speaker 1: what as two other students sat in the back seat?

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Speaker 1: Do what the hell? Her name Jaden Renee Charles. She's

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Speaker 1: twenty six and a mother of four, now facing two

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Speaker 1: counts evacuated sexual assault of a child. Authority say she

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Speaker 1: had a relationship with one, or with more than one

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Speaker 1: of her students at Agua Delce Secondary School. Charged against

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Speaker 1: her stand from an incident back in February of last year,

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Speaker 1: when she allegedly urged twenty four rather where she allegedly

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Speaker 1: drove the three students, including the fourteen year old boy,

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Speaker 1: a sixteen year old boy, and a fifteen year old girl,

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Speaker 1: to the Walmart ten minutes after two in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Where are your children, mom and dad? She then allegedly

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Speaker 1: tied a blanket around the front steat's had resk of

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Speaker 1: her suv and had sex with a fourteen year old

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Speaker 1: in the front seat while the other two teenagers sat

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Speaker 1: in the back. At the time, Charles claimed she was

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Speaker 1: pregnant with the fourteen year old's baby. Best getters in.

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Speaker 1: Investigation into the behavior first began when a student was

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Speaker 1: caught with a vape on campus. The independent school District

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Speaker 1: spoke with several students and teachers about that incident and

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Speaker 1: learned Charles had provided the student with the vape. Then,

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Speaker 1: the investigation of the incident determined that Charles may have

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Speaker 1: had provided vapes containing THC to several students, allegedly started

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Speaker 1: purchasing the vapes for the boys a couple of years

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Speaker 1: prior to her arrest, before she started teaching. Martinez also

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Speaker 1: said officers interviewed five different male students, four of whom

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Speaker 1: confirmed they had inappropriate relations with this woman and said

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Speaker 1: she was providing them with THC vapes and alcohol. Then

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Speaker 1: claimed Charles allegedly had sexual relations with two students prior

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Speaker 1: to being employed with the Agua ADULTA Independent School District

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Speaker 1: police chief from the police department further staid that there

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Speaker 1: was proof of her being with the students Accurdney Garcia.

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Speaker 1: We do have parents that were concerned and made some

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Speaker 1: calls about their children being with a teacher. We do

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Speaker 1: a video of the teacher with a student in one

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Speaker 1: of the hotels. But in the court hearing, Charles's attorney

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Speaker 1: told the judge he had not yet received any evidence

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Speaker 1: in the case. Apparently, you know, the prosecutor didn't hand

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Speaker 1: it over yet. I don't know. Do back in court

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Speaker 1: the first week of April twenty six, mother four having

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Speaker 1: sex with the fourteen year old, with two other teenagers

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Speaker 1: in the backseat.

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Speaker 3: Idiots doing idiot things because they're idiots.

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Speaker 1: It goes way way beyond that. Unbelievable. Go to Memphis, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: We get this oney in. We've been accused of letting

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Speaker 1: her five year old daughter whax dozens of nude adult

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Speaker 1: clients at her home axing business. Why are you doing that?

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Speaker 1: Her attorney. Hopefully I can push them to drop this.

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Speaker 1: It's an unusual case. It's a little complicated because of

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Speaker 1: the DCS investigation, and there's some licensing issues with Moss

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Speaker 1: with this cosmetology board, so we need time to investigate that.

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Speaker 1: Allegations against her showed up in twenty twenty three, after

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Speaker 1: a viral Instagram post, which accorded to court document, showed

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Speaker 1: the girl applying hot wax on nude clients. What court

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Speaker 1: document said the post, Moss wrote that she and her

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Speaker 1: daughter waxed twenty four people. Court of defense attorney after

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Speaker 1: spending time investigating, and they believe the state should drop

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Speaker 1: the case. Of course, that's what lawyers argue. Judge sent

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Speaker 1: Ray pears, your attorney in the state will see how

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Speaker 1: this can be resolved, and they may need some time

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Speaker 1: to see how this will ultimately play out again. We're

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Speaker 1: just hopeful the prosecutor knows what they have is someone

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Speaker 1: who made a mistake, who has remedied that mistake and

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Speaker 1: is back on track, and the criminal justice system does

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Speaker 1: not need to be involved. She'll be back in court

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Speaker 1: in July. That's screwed up? Can I put it there delicately?

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Speaker 1: Five fifty six right now? Fifty five KRCY the talk

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Speaker 1: station FLP President Ken Cober, a regular fixture lately on

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Speaker 1: the fifty five KOs Morning Show. A full reinstatement of

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Speaker 1: insant Police Captain Danita Pettis early she didn't do anything wrong.

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Speaker 1: Why did police chief three Soythigi then fire her after

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Speaker 1: twenty five years of faithful service to the insane police department.

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Speaker 1: Ken cober on that and XT, followed by Tech Friday

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Speaker 1: with Dave had at six thirty, is sure hoping to

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Speaker 1: stick around today's tough headlines coming up? It's six or

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Speaker 1: six here if you five krsee detalk station. I'm very

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Speaker 1: happy Friday to everyone. Tech Friday with Dave Hatter coming up.

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Speaker 1: What caused that Verizon adage? He says, Also in his

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Speaker 1: opinion piece, the benefits of a Kentucky Consumer Data Protection Act,

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Speaker 1: and finally the worst products at the Consumer Electronics Show

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Speaker 1: That should be fun Dave had Or bottom of this

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Speaker 1: hour right now. A regular feature here lately on the

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Speaker 1: fifty five cares of the morning show, all the what

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Speaker 1: I will call Shenanigan's coming out of the orders and

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Speaker 1: actions related to the mayor, the city manager back in

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Speaker 1: the background, Iris Rollie, and of course administratively Police Chief

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Speaker 1: Teresa Thigi, who's implicated in this one. Welcome back FOP

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Speaker 1: President Ken Kobert. It's great to have you on. Ken.

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Speaker 9: Good morning, Brian, thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 1: I understand Joe suggested perhaps you should become a weekly

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Speaker 1: feature or even a daily feature on the morning show

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Speaker 1: with all of your press releases, and that's the genesis

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Speaker 1: of Joe inviting you on the program and my you know,

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Speaker 1: happiness about having you on the program. You release some

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Speaker 1: to the press about what's going on, like what in

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Speaker 1: the hell how did this happen? Of course that's the

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Speaker 1: case with the firing of Danita Pettis. She was a

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Speaker 1: police captain. That is a it's almost as high as

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Speaker 1: rank as you can get. Right, it's happened. Then what

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Speaker 1: assistant chief?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, assistant chief and then the chief, and the captain's

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Speaker 9: really the highest rank, Yeah, that you can attain through

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Speaker 9: taking promotional exams. Once you get to assistant chief, their appointments.

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Speaker 1: Then that becomes political, but we'll ignore that for the moment.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about someone a very high status in

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Speaker 1: the police department. She is the or was, and soon

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Speaker 1: will be again the highest ranking black female fifty five

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Speaker 1: years old, worked for the Cincinni Police Department for more

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Speaker 1: than twenty five years, but then Police Chief three Soyhigia,

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Speaker 1: according to the reporting on this in December of twenty

643
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Speaker 1: twenty four, fired her for alleged dishonesty and subordination. Rule

644
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Speaker 1: violations like time and overtime issues. She appealed that went

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Speaker 1: to arbitration, and the arbitration panel said, uh uh, they've

646
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Speaker 1: ordered full reinstatement of her as Sincinni police captain with

647
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Speaker 1: back pay, rejecting the administrations what they call unfounded efforts

648
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Speaker 1: or what you kind of called unfounded efforts to terminate her.

649
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Speaker 1: What happened? Why was she targeted? And I guess I

650
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Speaker 1: have to ask you out loud. Do you think this

651
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Speaker 1: was police Chief three, so that Thiji's decision to fire her,

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Speaker 1: or maybe she got influenced by someone else in the hierarchy?

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Speaker 9: Ken Kobert, Well, there's a lot of things they don't know.

654
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Speaker 9: The why is the biggest thing. We don't know why

655
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Speaker 9: this was done. You know, they ultimately after this interview

656
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Speaker 9: and they came up with these charges, they decided that

657
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Speaker 9: the fire chief would be the department level hearing officer.

658
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Speaker 9: Why again, they say, well, it's because we wanted to

659
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Speaker 9: be independent, and the fire officer, yeah, the fire chief

660
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Speaker 9: did the department level hearing, which the department level hearing

661
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Speaker 9: is basically like a predisciplinary hearing. They hear from both

662
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Speaker 9: sides as to what they believe the fact pattern is, and.

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Speaker 2: Then they make a decision.

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Speaker 9: Well, the fire chief, after all of this, and like

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Speaker 9: I said, a lot of these questions go unanswered, is

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Speaker 9: he issues an eighty eight hour suspension. It then went

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Speaker 9: to Chief Thiji, who determined, now I don't like this,

668
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Speaker 9: I want her terminated. So then it goes to Cheryl Long,

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Speaker 9: who's the city manager who is responsible for the hiring

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Speaker 9: and firing of every city employee, upholds Chief Thiji's decision,

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Speaker 9: and they terminate her. Of course, now thirteen months later,

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Speaker 9: you know, after going to arbitration over the summer, this

673
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Speaker 9: three arbiter panel came back with a decision of she

674
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Speaker 9: didn't do any of this. All of the charges that

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Speaker 9: they had, They said, absolutely not, all of this was unfounded.

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Speaker 9: In fact, you're going to reinstate her with full back pay,

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Speaker 9: full benefits immediately.

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Speaker 1: Wow. And I suppose giving a collective bargaining agreement, and

679
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's in it. Is that her sole remedy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a good one that she got her

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Speaker 1: job back on all the back pay she's been out

682
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Speaker 1: for that long, But is there any opportunity like so

683
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Speaker 1: many others, for example, the fired police chief Washington or

684
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Speaker 1: the fire chief. Washington's gonna end up getting a big

685
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Speaker 1: FA settlement check because they wrongfully terminated him. It's been determined.

686
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Speaker 1: Is she because she's now still an employee or reemployed

687
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Speaker 1: by the SINS Police Department, can she poll pursue like

688
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: civil actions for this damage your reputation and that kind

689
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Speaker 1: of thing, or is that is that covered by the arbitration.

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Speaker 9: I don't know, that's that's something I know she she

691
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Speaker 9: has private counsel. Yeah, I don't know if that's something

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Speaker 9: they're exploiting or not. But I can tell you from

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Speaker 9: from the labor perspective. You know, we filed, we filed

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Speaker 9: for arbitration. We filed aggrievance based off of just cause,

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Speaker 9: which means there was no just cause to fire her,

696
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Speaker 9: which this arbitration panel said absolutely there was no just cause.

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Speaker 9: But there's another interesting part of this, and we had

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Speaker 9: filed that her right to do process was violated, and

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Speaker 9: part of that was, you know, in our collective bargaining agreement,

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Speaker 9: it says that everyone that is, you know, subject to

701
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Speaker 9: any kind of disciplinary action will be treated fairly and

702
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Speaker 9: I'm trying to remember exact words, but you'll be treated

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Speaker 9: all with dignity and respect, and based off of their findings,

704
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Speaker 9: the arbitrator panel said she was not treated with dignity

705
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Speaker 9: to respect. Hmmm, so they sustained that charge as well.

706
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Speaker 9: So we had two charges. They sustained both of them,

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Speaker 9: which is what led to ultimately for reinstatement.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can only rely on Jennifer Edwards Baker from

709
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Speaker 1: Fox nineteen to reporting on this. But apparently her termination,

710
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Speaker 1: least according to her lawyer, was a retaliation because she

711
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Speaker 1: had filed a complaint with the Ohio Civil Rights Commission

712
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Speaker 1: alleging unlawful discrimination retaliation heard against her by the city.

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Speaker 1: So she does that before she gets fired. That that

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Speaker 1: sounds like at least a logical predicate for them wanting

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Speaker 1: to fire her. Do you know what she said to

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Speaker 1: the Ohio Civil Rights Commission Ken Cover, I don't.

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Speaker 9: Because those are all things when when we look at

718
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Speaker 9: what the FFP does is we don't get involved in

719
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Speaker 9: cops filing complaints against other cops because ultimately we may

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Speaker 9: end up defending them.

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Speaker 1: Good point, So you know.

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Speaker 9: Our responsibility is what happened here she was terminated.

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Speaker 2: She came to the FOP said I don't think this

724
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Speaker 2: is right.

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Speaker 9: She laid out why our grievance committee said, yeah, we

726
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Speaker 9: should fight this, so we filed for arbitration and this

727
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Speaker 9: is where ultimately we landed. But as far as the

728
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Speaker 9: cops file complaints against each other mid administration, we don't

729
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Speaker 9: get involved with that.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I can understand your need to remain neutral on

731
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Speaker 1: matters involving police against police, because you do represent all

732
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Speaker 1: of the police, and of course you know, this case

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Speaker 1: is a great illustration of the benefits of membership in

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Speaker 1: the Fraternal Order of Police. I mean, you're providing all

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Speaker 1: this valuable service when when the police officers i will

736
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Speaker 1: say loosely rights have been violated. Yeah, without a doubt.

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Speaker 9: I mean Kim Rotowski, who you know is a partner

738
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Speaker 9: with Lazarus's law firm that we have, I mean, she

739
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Speaker 9: spent hundreds of hours preparing for this, you know, going

740
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Speaker 9: to this arbitration, writing briefs. I mean, it just does.

741
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Speaker 1: She does a phenomenal job.

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Speaker 9: She really needs to be recognized you for the work

743
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Speaker 9: that she did to defend these cops. And she's done

744
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Speaker 9: it with this law firm for over twenty years, and

745
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 9: she's certainly an invaluable piece to the FOP.

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Speaker 1: That's wonderful, and you just gave a shout out to her.

747
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Speaker 1: Now double down on that for her great work on this. Now,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm kind of curious since Police Chief Fiji

749
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Speaker 1: determined that Denita Pettis should be fired rather than put

750
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Speaker 1: on a min lee for eighty eight hours or whatever

751
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: it was recommended initially, did she testify at the hearing

752
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Speaker 1: at the arbitration.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she did.

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Speaker 1: Did she I mean shed any light on this specifically? No, No,

755
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Speaker 1: this is exactly what happened, why I terminated or rejected

756
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Speaker 1: the suspension part of it. I mean, any flesh on

757
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Speaker 1: the bones of that boiled down Stavid.

758
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Speaker 8: Not really.

759
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Speaker 9: I mean she testified, she gave what she believed was

760
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Speaker 9: her fact matter. I mean there were probably I don't

761
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 9: know twenty people or so that testified. I mean this

762
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Speaker 9: was hours upon hours, I mean was nearly roughly thirty

763
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Speaker 9: hours of testimony roughly throughout everybody, and it just came

764
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 9: down to the arbitrators didn't believe that any of this

765
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Speaker 9: warranted discipline. Not only did they not only did they

766
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 9: believe that it didn't warrant it any discipline, they also

767
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 9: obviously didn't believe that it warranted her termination.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, if there's no underlying disciplinary problem, they didn't

769
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Speaker 1: believe there were any even clearly there was nothing to

770
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Speaker 1: justify the termination. That's just crazy. Did okay? Since the

771
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Speaker 1: chain of command goes all the way up apparently to

772
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Speaker 1: the final decision maker, Cheryl Long, the city manager. That

773
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Speaker 1: should Sheryl Long testify at this hearing?

774
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Speaker 2: No, she did not.

775
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: Well, she's like three times removed from any of the

776
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: information relating to Denita Pettis on the job work anyway.

777
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Speaker 1: I mean, she doesn't know what's going on with this

778
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Speaker 1: woman on a day to day basis.

779
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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 9: And that's the thing is, you're the city managers said

781
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 9: they're ultimately responsible for for who's fired this city. But

782
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 9: certainly it calls into question, and I get a way,

783
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Speaker 9: we have six thousand employees. I don't know whether or

784
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 9: not how well this is reviewed. I mean, that would

785
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 9: be certainly questions for her, but it certainly is is

786
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 9: very concerning when you have a fire chief that's been fired,

787
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Speaker 9: you know, to have you know, Captain Pettes fired, we

788
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Speaker 9: have an assistant fire chief fire we have a situation

789
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 9: that Chief Thigi's in right now. That is certainly concerning

790
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 9: that there's a pattern being created that certainly questions as

791
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Speaker 9: to whether or not any of these people should be

792
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 9: in the predicament that they're in.

793
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Speaker 1: Well that and then you add on a sort of

794
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: side issue all the checks that the city's writing for

795
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Speaker 1: to various employees. We know about Chief Washington, we anticipate

796
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: Chief Thig getting one, but we also have, you know,

797
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: the money paid to the protesters, and we've got money

798
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: being paid to well, perhaps being paid for wrongful death

799
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Speaker 1: actions involving justified police shootings. I mean, this is that,

800
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Speaker 1: this is just I want to say a Charlie foxtrot,

801
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: if I can be so bold, I just I can't

802
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: see anything good going on with this administration relative to

803
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: police operations and how they handle matters involving litigation.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this is something that this is snowballing out of

805
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 9: control quickly, as we've seen over here just in the

806
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 9: first couple of weeks of the year, the problems that

807
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 9: we were were seeing all.

808
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: Right, Well, one of the other ongoing problems moving away

809
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Speaker 1: from police Chief DJ's involvement in this wrongful termination to

810
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: her also being subject to that kind of approach. She

811
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Speaker 1: was let go and fired without any in place on

812
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: administrator to leave without any articulated reason. We still don't

813
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: to this day, and they've extended the investigation to Police

814
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: Chief Thiji. The investigation can and confirm for me if

815
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong or right. The investigation is to decide whether

816
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: there is any grounds to either place or an administrative

817
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: leave or fire herb because they didn't say there were.

818
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Speaker 1: This is like looking backward or to support something that

819
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: they've done already.

820
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, this is certainly one of the questions

821
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Speaker 9: that comes is, you know, wasn't arrest made and then

822
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Speaker 9: the charges have been?

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Speaker 1: Are they trying to determine the charges? Yes, that's exactly

824
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Speaker 1: what it sounds like.

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Speaker 9: It just I mean, the this has been the common

826
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Speaker 9: theme is the lack of transparency, not knowing why why

827
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Speaker 9: why do we have Chief DG on administrative leaf? No

828
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Speaker 9: one seemed to be able to answer that, And I

829
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Speaker 9: guess we're gonna have to wait till the end of

830
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Speaker 9: February now, yeah, to see what's going to happen next.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're paying a law firm substantial amount of money

832
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: to look into what Police Chief three Fiji either did

833
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: or didn't do. We'll get a report on that and

834
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Speaker 1: then they'll be able to retroactively determine whether they were

835
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Speaker 1: appropriate in letting her go. This is crazy. That's where

836
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: we have u FLP. President can cover. Keep issuing the announcements,

837
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Speaker 1: keep making public statements. You know, I just learned this

838
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: morning that the fire Department actually has someone in your capacity.

839
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: There is a union fire representative, you know, President, and

840
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: j Rickers said, just missing an action. I didn't even

841
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: mean we had one. Apparently, anybody who reaches out to

842
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: that guy to ask for a comment or anything that's

843
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: like got crickets in response. So we're lucky to have you,

844
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: Ken Kober, actually speaking out loud on behalf of the folks.

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Speaker 1: You represent the Cincinnati Police Department.

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Speaker 9: You know, it's a job that I certainly take seriously.

847
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 9: I think it's a very very important one of these

848
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 9: men and women that came out every day to protect

849
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 9: the citizens of the city deserve to have somebody that's

850
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 9: going to be vocal, that's going to fight from and

851
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 9: it's something like I said, that I certainly take seriously,

852
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 9: and I certainly enjoy being in this role.

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Speaker 1: I know you do, and I'm certain that the police

854
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Speaker 1: Department and the members of the Cincinni Police Department appreciate

855
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: what you're doing and your activism on their behalf, and

856
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: you're always welcome here on the morning show. Ken, I

857
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Speaker 1: don't know if you're a regular. Future. Part of me

858
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Speaker 1: wants to say no, because things will settle down and

859
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: things will approve and you'll have nothing to report to

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Speaker 1: the public about. But until that time, Ken, thanks again,

861
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: have a fantastic weekend and go on behalf of all

862
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Speaker 1: of my listeners and me and my family. God bless

863
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: the men and women in law enforcement.

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Speaker 9: Thanks Brian, I appreciate it. Take care of a good weekend,

865
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Speaker 9: and I'm sure I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you probably will take care of men. I'm brought

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Speaker 1: to you by end trust It. Every business has a computer,

868
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: presumably unless they're a ludite business not making any money.

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Speaker 1: Computers meeting potential problems. You need proper setup, you need

870
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Speaker 1: proper best practices, and you need to get out of

871
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: problems when you run into them. That's what Interest I

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Speaker 1: t is all about. The best in the business, according

873
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Speaker 1: to the Business Courier and the man behind Interest I

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Speaker 1: find him online at interest dot com. Dave Hatter Daddy

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Speaker 1: Welcome man. The Verizon outage impacted quite a few people,

876
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: and it lasted a hell of a lot longer than

877
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: people realize. And it was at that point they all

878
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: realized how much we depend upon and our lives revolve

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00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: around our cell phone. Welcome back, my friend. It's always

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00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: great having you on.

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00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: Brian, always good to be here. Yeah. How many times

882
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 2: have you and I in the last ten plus here

883
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: has talked about are ever increasingly digital society? We depend

884
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: on this technology more and more all the time, and

885
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: how fragile it is, the point I try to make

886
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: all the time. And here's yet another example. You know, now,

887
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: this is not unique to Verizon, it's not the only

888
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Speaker 2: time it's happened to Verizon. But the bottom line is,

889
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: in general, I don't think the average person really realizes

890
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: how much network traffic goes through these cellular carriers networks

891
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 2: at this point. So it's not just your cell phone

892
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: doesn't work, it's other things may not work as well,

893
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 2: and especially if you could knock out one of these

894
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 2: carriers entire network. Because it looks like this Verizon thing

895
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: did not affect all users, does not appear to be

896
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: a cyber attack from everything I've read, it looks like

897
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Speaker 2: they had a problem with a server. Now again, you know,

898
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: this is still early and sometimes when these incidents happen,

899
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: as time wears on, you get more detail when you

900
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: find out whatever was originally reported wasn't right. I'm not

901
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: saying that's necessarily because they're lying about it. I'm saying that,

902
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: you know, you have to do some forensics to get

903
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Speaker 2: to the bottom of things to really understand what went on.

904
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 2: But apparently, for roughly ten hours, a bunch of Verizon

905
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Speaker 2: customers had issues with their phones. I'm a Verizon customer.

906
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Speaker 2: It did not impact me, for example. But you know,

907
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Speaker 2: kind of going back to the second part of my point,

908
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Speaker 2: which is not it's not just cell phone traffic necessarily

909
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Speaker 2: going through this stuff, but when you see the sheer

910
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Speaker 2: number of people that are potentially suddenly unable to do

911
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Speaker 2: the things they need to do in their daily lives

912
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Speaker 2: because they rely on these phones, right, whether it's making

913
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Speaker 2: a doctor's appointment, whether it's trying to get an uber

914
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: or as an uber driver, whether it's you know, trying to.

915
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: Two factor authentication. You know the days when I when

916
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: I when when I forgot my phone at home, I

917
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: can't I come in I can't get into my email

918
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: the of the ihearts system because, of course, the the

919
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: good reason is I use two factor authentication. That's an

920
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: important safety tools. You've talked time and time again. Sorry

921
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: sucks to be you. You're not going to get your six

922
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: digit message saying that allow you access into your stuff.

923
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's another interesting angle because even if you

924
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Speaker 2: your computer is working because it's connected to a different network, right,

925
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: it's not using Verizons sell your network or AT and

926
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Speaker 2: T or whomever. Again we're specifically talking about Verizon in

927
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Speaker 2: this case. Yeah, you might not be able to get

928
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Speaker 2: your MFA code. Now, you know, in some cases, Brian,

929
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Speaker 2: if you have a cell phone, I would just remind folks,

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00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: you know, if you have a cell phone, all new

931
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Speaker 2: ones that I'm aware of support Wi Fi. If your

932
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Speaker 2: cellular carrier is down, you could still theoretically use some

933
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Speaker 2: of the phone's functionality. You might not be able to

934
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Speaker 2: make phone calls for example, text may or may not work,

935
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Speaker 2: but you might be able to at least still do

936
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Speaker 2: certain things because you're connected to the Wi Fi. But

937
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: the bigger point in my mind, now Verizon, you know,

938
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Speaker 2: has apologized for this and they said they're going to

939
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Speaker 2: issue credits and that sort of thing, which I think

940
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Speaker 2: is good and I think even more important is from

941
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Speaker 2: all initial reporting, this does not appear to be a

942
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Speaker 2: cyber attack of any kind. You know, I've sent you

943
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: all kinds of articles. We've talked about it on here,

944
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Speaker 2: I've shared many in my social media stories where you know,

945
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: the FBI, DHS, etc. Is warning about Chinese Communist Party

946
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: infiltration and the telecom network, you know, back doors and

947
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: this stuff. The possibility that this stuff could be knocked

948
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Speaker 2: out on purpose again doesn't seem to be anything like that,

949
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: I'm happy to say. But the bigger point in my mind,

950
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Speaker 2: and I just keep telling people this all the time.

951
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: We must, we must, we must. It's serious about protecting

952
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: this infrastructure as we get. You know, it's thirty years ago.

953
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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it's been twenty five years. Whenever

954
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: I first got a cell phone, it was a convenience

955
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: for me. It was a novelty for me. It was

956
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: not nearly as important to me then as it is now.

957
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: And a half pounds go ahead, right, Plus it weighed

958
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: three and a half pounds.

959
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, big old brick, right. But I mean,

960
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: if it stopped working for a couple of hours. Wasn't

961
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 2: that big of a deal. Landlines were everywhere, pay phones

962
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: were everywhere. Most people didn't have a cell phone. They

963
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: weren't trying to call my cell phone. It was mostly,

964
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: you know, a business rated thing and a convenience and

965
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: cool thing. Well now I don't even have a landline anymore.

966
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Speaker 1: Brian, do you I mentioned that earlier?

967
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, many people don't. So you know again if now,

968
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 2: if my cell phone doesn't work, it's much more problematic

969
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: for me. And I don't exist out of my phone

970
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: like my kids do or like other people I know.

971
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 2: Do you know I would still get on the computer.

972
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: Now you mentioned MFA that may or may not work

973
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: through another connection. But the bigger point is we have

974
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: got to at every level of our society realize how

975
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: all this digital technology is impacting us, how fragile it is,

976
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 2: and how you know, we've got to get this stuff

977
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: fixed before some catastrophe happens. And my last point, because

978
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: I know will be out of time, is, as you

979
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: and I have discussed many times, one of the many

980
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: reasons why I'm completely and totally against any sort of

981
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: cashless society is imagine all three carriers go down, I

982
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: imagine the telecom system is down entirely. How do you bank?

983
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 2: How do you get money? How do you pay your bills?

984
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: At least to keep a healthy stash of cash on

985
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: hand in the end of those contingencies, have something like

986
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: a fire plan in the event cell phone connectivity goes

987
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: away for any period of time. Pause. We'll bring Dave

988
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: Header back to talk about his op ed p's the

989
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: benefits of the Kentucky Consumer Data protect Station tech part

990
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: of the Dave Hatter and opinion writer op ed opinion

991
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: writer still keeping his interest it dot com hat on.

992
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: He's talking about the benefits of Kentucky Consumer Data Protection Acts.

993
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 1: We can all read the article in the Northern Kentucky

994
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: Tribune day, but tell us about this. What is the

995
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: Kentucky Consumer Data Protection Act?

996
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian, for the first time and probably my entire life,

997
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: Kentucky has actually beat Ohio to something useful in the

998
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 2: tech space. I'm happy to say. You know, Ohio honestly

999
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: is generally way ahead of Kentucky and anything related to tech.

1000
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: I think we've talked on their show about Ohio House

1001
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: Built ninety six, which requires local governments in Ohio to

1002
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: take steps towards protecting your assets, the cybersecurity space and

1003
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 2: some other stuff. So Ohio generally, in all honesty, really

1004
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: has their act together, and I'm constantly trying to convince

1005
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: my friends here in Kentucky to follow suit. But back

1006
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, Kentucky passed the Kentucky Consumer Data

1007
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: Protection Act, and it's not perfect, but it's a great

1008
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: first step towards protecting you as a consumer. And one

1009
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: of the reasons why I'm glad you wanted to talk

1010
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: about this, despite the fact that obviously you have a

1011
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: large audience in Kentucky. I live in Kentucky. Is I'm

1012
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 2: hoping Ohio will follow suits. So the International Association of

1013
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: Privacy Professionals has a website I've linked to it from

1014
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: this article that shows you which states have a consumer

1015
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: data protection law. Currently there are nineteen. Kentucky is one

1016
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 2: of the most recent. Indiana has one. Many states surrounding

1017
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: Ohio either have one in place or are working on one.

1018
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: From what I can tell, it looks like Ohio's attempt

1019
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 2: at this sort of stalled out, and I can't find

1020
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: any evidence that it's been reunited. So all my Ohio. Friends,

1021
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: you might want to reach out to your legs. You

1022
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: can send them this article or there's plenty of research

1023
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 2: on this went into law January first of this year,

1024
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: and it's designed it you know, it has two prongs.

1025
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: And I'm going to write another two articles on this,

1026
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 2: one for Kentucky businesses what they need to know, because

1027
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 2: I touch on it briefly in here, but I'm really

1028
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: trying to focus on why you should care about this

1029
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: as a consumer, and then another article about as a

1030
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 2: consumer in Kentucky how to use this thing. But basically

1031
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 2: what it does is it says if you're a Kentucky

1032
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: business and you collect consumer data, once you hit certain thresholds,

1033
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: then there are penalties built into the bill if you

1034
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: don't protect people's data. So there's a cybersecurity angle to this, right.

1035
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 2: It puts teeth in the law so that businesses now

1036
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: are incentivized to want to protect your data to stop

1037
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 2: all these data breaches that we see. You know, I

1038
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: bet you, Brian, everyone in your audience has gotten at

1039
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: least one, probably many notices from some company somewhere, probably

1040
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: some they haven't done business with that their data has

1041
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: been breached. Right, So if you're doing business in Kentucky

1042
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: and you have Kentucky consumer's data. There are exceptions. Again,

1043
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: there are thresholds, but now as a consumer you potentially

1044
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: can get You're forcing businesses to take this seriously. Essentially.

1045
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: The big knock on this because it's not nearly as

1046
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: stringent as consumer or California's law the California Consumer California

1047
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,959
Speaker 2: Consumer Privacy Act is by far the most stringent law

1048
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: in the United States. It's kind of loosely based on

1049
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: the GDP. You are out of the EU, it's much

1050
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: more rigorous, much bigger penalties. But again, in my mind,

1051
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: this is a great first step. It's something that got done,

1052
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: and the main things that does feuse well. The main

1053
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: knock on it is you have no private right to

1054
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: action if you believe you are a victim of if

1055
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: one of these things have you know, been don't know.

1056
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: I can't talk this morning, Brian. If a company runs

1057
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: a valil one of these things and you believe you're

1058
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: a victim, you can't sue them outright. You have to

1059
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: go through the Kentucky Attorney General's office. A lot of experts,

1060
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: you know, have knocked it for that. But what it

1061
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: does do is a whole lot of things. For example,

1062
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: you now have a right to go to a company

1063
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: that has your data, data brokers, for example. Now this

1064
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: is not easy. That's why I'm going to do another

1065
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: article to explain how to work through this and say,

1066
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: I want to see what data you have about me.

1067
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Speaker 2: I want to is this data accurate. I want you

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Speaker 2: to correct this data in some cases potentially delete the data.

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Speaker 2: I want you to give me my data so I

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Speaker 2: can take it somewhere else. So without a law like

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Speaker 2: this right often you have no idea who has your data.

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Speaker 2: You have no way to know if that data is correct.

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Speaker 2: You and I've talked about this many times. It's one

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Speaker 2: of the reasons why I don't like the Internet of

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Speaker 2: Things and apps. All this data is being collected, is

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Speaker 2: it even right?

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Speaker 1: You don't know, you have no access to it. This

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Speaker 1: is basically creating a legal freedom of information Act for

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Speaker 1: people to allow them to ask and demand the information

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Speaker 1: that is being collected about them. I love that. Now,

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Speaker 1: once you're round with that information, you can determine the

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Speaker 1: accuracy of it, and then maybe if Kentucky's you know,

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Speaker 1: is the norm, or or California's law becomes the norm

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Speaker 1: for America, then you'll have some right to legal recourse.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a step in the right direction. I

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Speaker 1: hate the idea that they're selling our information to third

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Speaker 1: parties all the time, and I guess the FTC recognized

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Speaker 1: that too. They have banned GM from disclosing all the

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Speaker 1: information it's been collecting about our driving habits for the

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Speaker 1: next five years, and I presume that that's going to

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Speaker 1: be an extension of in a broader application.

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Speaker 2: So, because keep in mind, right there is no national

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Speaker 2: privacy law, you've got nineteen states that have this patchwork built.

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Speaker 2: Now again, is this law perfect, because I've already gotten

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Speaker 2: feedback that wow, this is no good. It's way better

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Speaker 2: than what we had, which was nothing. If you are

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Speaker 2: business doing you don't have to be a Kentucky business.

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Speaker 2: If you're a business doing business in Kentucky right now,

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Speaker 2: you're a subject to this.

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Speaker 1: Law that makes it stretch all around the nation like

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Speaker 1: California cafe standards. Forcing everybody to fall in line with California.

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Speaker 1: Pause will bring Dave haderback. He's going to tell if

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Speaker 1: us the worst products at the Consumer elect Big Show,

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Speaker 1: probably an endless list. One more with dation sixth, if

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Speaker 1: dot com to find day you've had on the crew

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Speaker 1: for all your business computer needs sponsoring the Tech Friday segment.

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Speaker 1: Thank god for them doing it all. Right now the

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Speaker 1: fun and games begins. Can you narrow down a list

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Speaker 1: of the worst products of the CEO Show that you

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Speaker 1: can fit in the remaining four or five minutes we've got?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Brian's that's a tall charge there.

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Speaker 1: I knew it would be.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny this, So this is an ap

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Speaker 2: article Worst in Show. CES products include AI refrigerators, AI companions,

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Speaker 2: and AI doorbells. I'll post this and all the other

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Speaker 2: links to all the other stuff we talked about this morning,

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Speaker 2: so people can go see these things for themselves. But

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Speaker 2: I love it the very first picture they start out

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Speaker 2: in the article. Yes, Internet of Things coffee makers that

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Speaker 2: conveniently not only have a screen on them, but the

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Speaker 2: Wi Fi symbol telling you that you can plug this

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Speaker 2: thing in and you know, wreck your whole life, your business,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Because probably in two years or less, there'll

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Speaker 2: be no software updates coming for this thing. That's how

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Speaker 2: it works. And as you and I have discussed so

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Speaker 2: many times before. You know, Internet of Things aka smart devices,

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Speaker 2: most of which are really stupid, dumb dumpster fires for

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Speaker 2: your privacy and security. You know, the show was full

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Speaker 2: of this stuff. Robots, ai AI refrigerators. You know you've talked.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about the Samsung refrigerator before with a screen

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Speaker 2: that now serves up ads. Let me just add, let

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Speaker 2: me just.

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Speaker 1: Sure to get advertising pumped in your own via your refrigerator.

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Speaker 2: You paid for a refrigerator that is going to send ads.

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Speaker 2: I mean, think of the drivel that's coming out of

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Speaker 2: your average gas pump now, and now you can bring

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Speaker 2: that into your kitchen. Is that not? Are we not entertained? Brian?

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Speaker 1: This is awesome?

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Speaker 2: So so they say here now again, these are a

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Speaker 2: group of privacy experts from folks like the Internet or

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Speaker 2: Electronic Frontier Foundation and other groups. They go to this

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Speaker 2: thing and then you know they collectively vote on these things. Right,

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Speaker 2: So it's it's ten four a half people like me,

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Speaker 2: but shouting at a bespoke AI fridge that also hawks

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Speaker 2: grocery products. This is from the article Samsung's Bespoke AI

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Speaker 2: Family Hub refrigerator received the overall worst end show from

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Speaker 2: the group of Consumer and Privacy Advocates, and they basically

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Speaker 2: go on to say, for example, you know, they talk

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Speaker 2: about trying to talk to the thing that was too loud,

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Speaker 2: But that's that's not the thing that gets me. It's

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Speaker 2: the idea. Now again I'm reading from the article, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was just part of the complications and reliability concerned

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Speaker 2: Samsung added to an appliance that's supposed to have an

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Speaker 2: important job keeping food cold. Right, they talk about how

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Speaker 2: it could try to order food for you. Well, if

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Speaker 2: it could order food for you, it means it knows

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Speaker 2: what you're eating, it knows how much you're eating. It's

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Speaker 2: probably selling that to God knows who, like your insurance company.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've brought this up many times talking to you, Brian,

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Speaker 2: and I know in the past people like, well that's crazy,

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Speaker 2: But think about this. If this can order your food,

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Speaker 2: then it could know that you eat. You know, let's

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Speaker 2: say eight pounds.

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Speaker 1: A bake in a week, how many twelve packs you

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Speaker 1: got in the fridge, and on and on. It is scary.

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Speaker 2: And while it might be convenient that it could order

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Speaker 2: that for you, unless, of course, the Verizon network is down.

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Speaker 2: But it could order that for you, right, and then

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Speaker 2: sell that to your insurance company, who might decide that

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Speaker 2: your premium should go up, or maybe they should cancel

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Speaker 2: you because you're eating in a way that is not

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Speaker 2: conducive to their insurance premiums and their payouts to.

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Speaker 1: Your tys for collecting your driving data, which they sell

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Speaker 1: to insurance companies who will cancel you or otherwise jack

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Speaker 1: your premium up. This is all a vicious circle leading

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Speaker 1: to a bad place for the consumer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, the main I am not against the Internet

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Speaker 2: of things in principle. I'm against the Internet of things because,

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Speaker 2: as I've said so many times anyone that will listen,

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Speaker 2: the incentives are wrong for you as a consumer. One

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Speaker 2: of the reasons why the Kentucky Consumer Data Protection Act

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Speaker 2: is helpful to you as a consumer. These things are

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Speaker 2: cheap garbage, usually coming from China, possibly full of back doors.

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Speaker 2: They're designed for speed to market, ease of use, and

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Speaker 2: market share. They don't get software updates after a certain

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Speaker 2: period of time, people do not know how to configure

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Speaker 2: them correctly, and they're sucking up all of your data

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Speaker 2: and selling it to god knows who, leaking it, breaching it, etc. Right,

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Speaker 2: so I know it will be out of time. Amazon's

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Speaker 2: doorbells once again ring privacy alarms. Right, So again reading

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Speaker 2: from the thing that includes facial recognition code, set of

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Speaker 2: ring features, and includes mobile surveillance towers that can be

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Speaker 2: deployed at parking lots in other places, and includes an

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Speaker 2: app store that's going to let people develop even sketch

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Speaker 2: your apps for the doorbell than the ones even Amazon provides.

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Speaker 2: Again not my commentary. This coming from Cindy Cone, executive

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Speaker 2: director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, someone that knows about

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Speaker 2: this stuff. So this article covers a bunch of other things.

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Speaker 2: I'll post it. Folks, stop buying this stuff. Stop buying

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Speaker 2: this stuff at least until there are laws that force

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Speaker 2: these companies to get serious about protecting your privacy and security.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise you are setting yourself up for problems.

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Speaker 1: Underscore, amen bold and underline on that. Get to LinkedIn

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Speaker 1: id or LinkedIn dot com, LinkedIn dot com. All you

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Speaker 1: need to do is type in Dave Hatter. You will

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Speaker 1: find Dave Hatter and the stories that he refers to

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Speaker 1: here on the fifty five KC Morning Show. Very interesting

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Speaker 1: article and it just I just shake my head and

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Speaker 1: wonder why anybody thinks they need any of this stuff day.

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Speaker 1: But then again, I've been thoroughly man since by you,

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Speaker 1: and I know my life has been fine, swimmingly decent.

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Speaker 1: Uh without this stuff my entire life. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to add it to my list of things that I want,

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Speaker 1: or then I will not buy it either. That's why

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Speaker 1: we've got you, Dave, get more people on the same ledger.

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Speaker 1: We'll do this again next Friday. Thanks again to your

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Speaker 1: company interest it and online at interest it dot com

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Speaker 1: for sponsoring this valuable segment. Appreciate what you do. Have

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Speaker 1: a wonderful weekend, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Always my pleasure, Brian, Thanks to you and Joe, and

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Speaker 2: I look forward to chatting with you next week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks brother from the Hudson seven six fifty five KARSD

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Speaker 1: talk station with a great Friday lineup on the heels

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Speaker 1: of the FOP President Ken Kober. Callin at Shenannigan's The

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Speaker 1: Police Department Tech Friday with Dave hat Do we get

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Speaker 1: Briga McCowen from the Hudson Institute in Studio, fresh off

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Speaker 1: a trip to d C where he was in fact

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Speaker 1: talking energy policy. I will strongly encourage you to find

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Speaker 1: his podcast where you get your podcasts Charged conversations. Joe

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Speaker 1: Strecker does that one, doesn't he He sure does. A

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Speaker 1: great guy, isn't he.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 7: He's a slave driver as a producer, though, let's be honest, he's.

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Speaker 1: A good producer. He's a great producer. That requires, you know,

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Speaker 1: you heed his warnings and his calls. You're going to

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Speaker 1: have to do a retake. So Joe Strecker, producer of podcasts,

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Speaker 1: including Charged Conversations. Yeah, Brigham McCown's got just an unbelievable

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Speaker 1: background and energy policy, which is why he was in

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Speaker 1: d C. And why the Japanese government assigned you in

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Speaker 1: like an intern or.

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Speaker 7: Something they did from the Japanese Development Bank.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of.

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Speaker 7: You know, their government, economic ministry and policy and one.

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Speaker 7: And they want to know about energy security. So they

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Speaker 7: sent some folks over for seven weeks to hang out

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Speaker 7: with us at Hudson and figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Energy security by way of what the United States is

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Speaker 1: going to be doing, by way of pursuing energy production,

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Speaker 1: oil gas, nukes, whatever it happens to be compared to

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Speaker 1: the last administration. Of course, then the Obama administration, you know,

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Speaker 1: your gauge of energy security had to be pretty grim

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Speaker 1: considering we were not going to invest in anything that

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Speaker 1: provides reliable electricity. Was all going to be wind bills. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and maybe hydro to the extent hasn't been used yet.

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Speaker 1: Solar panels of course, and then unicorns.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, thanks for mentioning unicorns, because that is the magic

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Speaker 7: mix of things. But you know, in all seriousness, it's

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Speaker 7: a real topic. And you know Asian countries, but Japan

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Speaker 7: imports about ninety five percent of the energy that it

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Speaker 7: needs minus nuclear that it produces. We're so blessed, Brian

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Speaker 7: to have all these natural resources and to be able

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Speaker 7: to provide energy fairly, expensively and reliably. That underpins our economy,

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Speaker 7: our economic security, our national security.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 7: It's something that I've spent many years on and while

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Speaker 7: I don't agree with everything any administration does, we are

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Speaker 7: on a much better path than we were.

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Speaker 1: We are, and I suppose we should probably just sort

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Speaker 1: of dive into this whole US power grid concern we've got.

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Speaker 1: I saw this article yesterday. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: I had at my stack from American Greatness about Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: They're connecting and get their energy from PJAM interconnection, which

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Speaker 1: provides power to basically all of thirteen states, including Pennsylvania District, Columbia,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. But they released an executive summary and said

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Speaker 1: that they need a hell of a lot more power

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Speaker 1: than is even available. And the big problem with this,

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Speaker 1: and I mentioned it the other day when you talk

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Speaker 1: about the Democrats scream about affordability, and I mentioned to

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Speaker 1: you off air my outrageous Duke Bill, all things being equal,

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Speaker 1: it was a hell of a lot higher. There's an

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Speaker 1: affordability problem, but it's brought about by our own stupid

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Speaker 1: rules and regulations. It takes like almost ten years to

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Speaker 1: get an energy producing project like a natural gas plant.

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Speaker 1: There's no rocket science involved in that. We've been doing

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Speaker 1: those for years, but it takes forever to get it

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Speaker 1: permit you need it. Demonstrably, all these commissions and all

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Speaker 1: these industry leaders, the people who have electricity demands, including

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Speaker 1: AI facilities, are screaming out loud about the limited power delivery. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you sorry, We'll wait around because we have regulations

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Speaker 1: on stacked on regulations. Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 7: And that's one of the things that this current administration,

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Speaker 7: through what they're calling the Energy Dominance Council, which really

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Speaker 7: just means let's get all of the federal agencies together

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Speaker 7: and figure out how to cut the red tape, figure

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Speaker 7: out how we can move more quickly. You know, it

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Speaker 7: used to be that when we wanted to build something, permitting,

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Speaker 7: the thinking about it would take about two years and

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Speaker 7: we'd get it on. That has moved to seven to

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Speaker 7: ten years under successive administrations, and the current president wants

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Speaker 7: to bring it back to eighteen months. But a couple

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Speaker 7: things standing in the way. Number one is the permitting

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 7: laws themselves need to be changed because people have figured

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 7: out how to manipulate the system, and it's been manipulated

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01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 7: not to make it too quick, but to make it

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 7: too slow, because everyone has an opinion about what they

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Speaker 7: should or should not do.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of money to be made by

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Speaker 1: fighting off the building of literally anything there is. There

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Speaker 1: is all this green money, all this foreign money and influence.

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Speaker 1: You imagine what the Chinese Communist Party is thinking when

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Speaker 1: they see us enact legislation that makes it more onerous

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01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: and more expensive to produce power. They are laughing their

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Speaker 1: collective asses off, and in fact they are pumping out

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Speaker 1: information that pushes us toward this co Two is bad

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Speaker 1: religion that we've all bought hook line and sinker, carbon

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Speaker 1: dioxide plant food. You can talk about that, but the

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Speaker 1: idea that these parts per million are a problem. It

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Speaker 1: just makes it impossible to build efficient energy plants to

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Speaker 1: produce constant electricity. Period. They love that, Yeah, it really does.

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Speaker 1: And if you look back, well, well, parenthetically, while they

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Speaker 1: continue to build multiple coal plants, natural gas plants and

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Speaker 1: enjoy the benefits of nukew in some degree.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and let me talk about the paragrid in just

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Speaker 7: a second here, but I tell people, well, happy twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty six. Did you know that in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 7: the world used more coal than it has in any

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Speaker 7: year of human history.

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Speaker 1: Because we have more people, and more people and more

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Speaker 1: technology is more electricity. Plus, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: on the green side of the equation to think we

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Speaker 1: need to hook our cars up to the grid, brig them.

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Speaker 7: I know, right, that's a great idea. Well, and so

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Speaker 7: you know that grid. And by the way, China, I

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Speaker 7: would give them an a plus and energy security because

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Speaker 7: they want it all. And people say, well, look they're

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Speaker 7: producing yeah, but we buy them, we buy them, and yes,

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Speaker 7: they're deploying more of everything because they want as much

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Speaker 7: energy as they can get because they get it. And

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Speaker 7: so you know, transmission lines are really the bottleneck of

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Speaker 7: a two point problem. The first point is we were

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Speaker 7: forced to retire our own coal fired power plants under

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Speaker 7: the previous administration.

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Speaker 1: Through a throat cutting exercise. The legislation wouldn't have shut

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Speaker 1: them down, but for the obligation under the law.

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Speaker 7: Yes, well, you know, if we need more power, it'll

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Speaker 7: just magically materialize. Except it hasn't so come in, right,

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Speaker 7: So we have a dip in available power as AI

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Speaker 7: data centers are requiring more and more power cars and

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Speaker 7: if you want to plug your car into the EV,

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Speaker 7: that's more power too. And that was just supposed to

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Speaker 7: magically sort itself out. But those same permitting regulations that

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Speaker 7: we need change. You can't build a power plant either,

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Speaker 7: and then overlay that with a transmission system that is

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Speaker 7: forty five years old on average, not designed to handle

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Speaker 7: what we need it to, not designed to go where

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Speaker 7: people are moving to, not designed to connect to a

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Speaker 7: power plant that has yet to be built in a

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Speaker 7: place where there is no grid.

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Speaker 1: And we have a problem, major problem. And you know,

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Speaker 1: when you get to states like California, where these decrepit

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Speaker 1: power transmission lines are hanging in dense forests that haven't

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Speaker 1: been cleared of underbrush, give a massive potential for wildfires

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Speaker 1: through the well, these power lines dropping.

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Speaker 7: And that has happened, has it?

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Speaker 1: It has? Indeed, I haven't read anything about that Brigham here.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it has. And by the way, if you're a

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Speaker 7: power company in California, you are strictly liable for anything

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Speaker 7: that you might cause. Even though the government won't let

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Speaker 7: you upgrade your power lines and won't let you cut

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Speaker 7: the vegetation.

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Speaker 1: Still your fault, right, Or keep the reservoirs filled with water,

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Speaker 1: life saving water to put fires out, yeah yeah, Or

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Speaker 1: micromanage the actions of the fire department during major conflictations.

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Speaker 1: It's a real well. Anyhow to Brigham Account, we're going

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Speaker 1: to continue on this discussion. We've got lots of topics

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Speaker 1: to go over. Nuclear of course, we will talk about

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01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: that energy policy by litigation, on and on and on.

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Speaker 1: You can find them at Hudson dot org and also

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Speaker 1: again charged the conversations with Brigham Account. Find the podcast

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Speaker 1: whoever find your podcast, and you'll stay up on these matters.

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Speaker 1: In between times, he joins the fifty five krc Morning

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Speaker 1: Show seven fifteen. Right now fifty five KRCD talk station

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Speaker 1: looking for a world class deep talk station seven nineteen,

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Speaker 1: fifty five krc DE talk station. Very Happy Friday to you.

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Speaker 1: Spending an hour here in studio Brigham account from Hudson.

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Speaker 1: It's too he's responsible for charge to conversations, and Aim

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Speaker 1: suggests what he talks about, which is energy policy. An

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Speaker 1: expert in energy policy, he is, even so much so

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Speaker 1: that they called him up to DC to spend some

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Speaker 1: time talking with the experts there about where our economic future,

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Speaker 1: our energy policy future is going, and hope to god

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Speaker 1: it's repealing rules, regulations and impediments, to fixing our grid,

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Speaker 1: to building new reliable power sources, to meeting the demands

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Speaker 1: of the general American public, not just for some AI facility,

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Speaker 1: but for all of us. I mean, Lord Almighty, you

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Speaker 1: know what it's like to deal without your Verizon phone

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Speaker 1: for ten hours? What about if the lights go out

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Speaker 1: for ten, fifteen, twenty hours because they can't meet the demands,

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Speaker 1: And that has happened before, and they talk about it

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Speaker 1: more and more brigging.

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Speaker 7: They have, and there would be total chaos. Could you

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01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 7: imagine if we went two or three days without electricity.

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01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 7: Well we've been through that and like, oh they're storms,

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01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 7: storms that came through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big deal.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 7: And you know, energy underpins our entire life. We can't

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Speaker 7: do anything without it. We can't go out to shop,

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Speaker 7: we can't read, we can't connect bank, buy food, keep

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Speaker 7: it cold.

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Speaker 1: Well, someone had said that. The other day was an

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Speaker 1: article about the power going off and how they were

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Speaker 1: freezing in their own homes because there hadn't been powered

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Speaker 1: a few days. And they had just gone to the

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Speaker 1: grocery store and had their entire fridge filled with fresh

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01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: And I said to myself, just put them outside. You're

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Speaker 1: not going to have your grocery spoiled anyway. But it

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Speaker 1: is a legitimate problem. Will die, It is?

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Speaker 7: It is, And you know, it's interesting you raise that

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Speaker 7: point because climate activists will talk about how climate change

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Speaker 7: is killing people. Yet more people die in Europe lack

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Speaker 7: of air conditioning than anything else. Bro, people die if

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Speaker 7: they freeze to death. I think you know the metrics

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Speaker 7: we've been a little bit off on, and it is

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Speaker 7: extremely important that we have affordable and reliable power. And

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Speaker 7: you know, I'll tell you brown a lot of the

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Speaker 7: upgrades that have to happen, We're gonna have to rear

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Speaker 7: where that money's going to come from, because you know

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Speaker 7: those aren't free either.

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Speaker 1: No, you should pay for them.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: And in furtherance of your point, I have to recommend

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Speaker 1: my listeners. And I mentioned this in my earlier comments

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Speaker 1: in the five o'clock hour Worth finding. I think you'll

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Speaker 1: find it on OutKick. I believe that is a website.

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Speaker 1: I found the article from Ian Miller on zero head.

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Speaker 1: He was reposted there headlined twenty years later An Inconvenient Truth,

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01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: which is al Gore's two thousand and six documentary and

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01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: Convenient Truth has been thoroughly debunked, and they walk through

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01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: all of his gloom and doom claims and point out

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01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: that every single one of them has not come true

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Speaker 1: at all. In fact, some are. The situation now is

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Speaker 1: even better than it was when al Gore was predicting

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01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: we were all gonna die. This is a load of crap, Brigham,

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Speaker 1: you know it is.

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Speaker 7: And I think there are well intentioned people, and look,

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01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 7: we all wanted to dupe.

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Speaker 1: They're useful idiots, Brigham. Let's call them what they are. Well,

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01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: they listens, got Okay, they got misguided. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he was making it up as he goes along,

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Speaker 1: like they did with all these COVID nineteen ten foot rules.

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01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: But you know, what he said didn't come true. We

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Speaker 1: get twenty years to look at. And the other point

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Speaker 1: the article makes it, it's an extremely valuable one. He

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Speaker 1: starts with carbon dioxide readings in the nineteen fifties. The

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Speaker 1: planet's four and a half billion years old, and the

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Speaker 1: furthest back there, the farthest back they can go with,

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Speaker 1: like bor sampling with Arctic ice, it's six hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand years, which still represents only a fraction of

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Speaker 1: the time the globe has been around. You know, we've

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Speaker 1: made it this far with ebbs and flows the carbon dioxide.

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Speaker 1: The plants love it, so I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: be just fine. Plus it's so slow, this incremental increase

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Speaker 1: of CO two. Even if you think it's going to

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Speaker 1: have an impact, we will be able to deal with

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Speaker 1: it by moving and adjusting as time rolls on.

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Speaker 7: We have to do it now, absolutely, you know. And

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Speaker 7: one of the things I talk about is something called

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Speaker 7: the energy mix, and that is where do we get

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Speaker 7: all of our energy from right. And just like a

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Speaker 7: carpenter doesn't use a hammer on everything.

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Speaker 1: I've tried.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't work. Yeah, you know, the energy mix will

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Speaker 7: naturally change over time as technology changes, as we have advances.

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Speaker 7: But you can't be at a university and draw something

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Speaker 7: on the whiteboard and demand that it happens. So I

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Speaker 7: say that molecules eats policy for lunch pretty much every

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Speaker 7: day of the week. You can't just will stuff. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 7: this climate religion, which is what it is, it has,

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Speaker 7: you know, has been the ruin of many people.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Germany, I don't know if you saw this.

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Speaker 1: I am painfully aware. I followed Germany's economy and they've

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Speaker 1: done it to themselves. They're a cautionary tale for the

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Speaker 1: whole planet. They really are.

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Speaker 7: And uh, Chancellor Mertz came out I think yesterday or

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Speaker 7: when or Tuesday, if forget what today it is myself

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Speaker 7: and said, hey, we need nuclear power in Germany. That

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Speaker 7: was a huge mistake, thankfully, and they don't usually do

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Speaker 7: that to themselves, and.

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Speaker 1: They admits mistakes. No, that's not very German. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: not here. You are stereotyping. We're painting with a broad brush.

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Speaker 1: Break I mean, you know, that's not a lot on

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Speaker 1: the fifty five care. They want to show you all

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Speaker 1: those Germans out there who are not who are not

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Speaker 1: afraid of admitting when they're wrong. Congrats to you, you

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Speaker 1: buck the trend.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, if you think about the Germans are

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Speaker 7: very efficient, they're engineers. They used to have gotten it right.

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Speaker 1: But h Nick Seville, Nick Suvill, not so much. Well,

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Speaker 1: isn't that true? Yeah, it's just it's crazy and you

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01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: know the weird thing. And we'll get to that nuclear

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Speaker 1: policy coming up. That's one of my favorite topics because

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Speaker 1: you know, if okay, so I can't convince you that

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01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: you've been duped by the I'M religion, that you are

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01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: a useful idiot. You don't believe that you think the

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01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 1: climate alarmism is a good thing and that carbon dox

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Speaker 1: that is a bad thing. The answer to everyone's prayers

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Speaker 1: then is nuclear power is nuclear. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: with Brigham Account Hudson Institute dot org, Charge Conversations online

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Speaker 1: for your podcast, and the best in the business, Fast

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Speaker 1: one hour. Jack Winsor, editor in chief the Ohio Press Network,

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Speaker 1: host of The Windsor Reports. Speaking of podcasts, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about immigrations and custom enforcement here in Ohio, as well

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01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 1: as comments about property taxes in Ohio. Hot topic of

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Speaker 1: your conversation as we consider who the next cubernatorial candidate

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Speaker 1: or our nixt governor will be in the meantime in

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Speaker 1: studio from Hudson dot org. That's the Hudson website, our

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Speaker 1: energy policy expert. Bring him account charged conversations. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: So if there's moving over to nuclear power since we talked,

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01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, generally speaking about the needs, the demand increasing,

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01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: the regulatory hurdles that are impediments to let's say the

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01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: seven to ten years it takes to get a natural

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01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: gas plant online. If that's bad, the regulatory impediments are

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01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: using nuclear power, totally carbon free, small footprint. They put

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01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: them in submarines, which have never had a problem. We've

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01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: been doing submarine nuke power since nineteen fifties, bring them.

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01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: How come we can't have it ourselves? But it is

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01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: a push now. Yeah, the the green alarmists, while they

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01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: never embraced nuke, in fact, they rejected it completely out

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01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: of hand. It's the ultimate miracle to solve their alleged

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01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: problem and they hated it. But now because AI companies

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01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: are online, all these billionaires like Gates and others are saying,

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01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 1: we need to be able to produce our our unpound power.

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Speaker 1: They're really defaulting with small modular reactors. They are.

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Speaker 7: And to your point, and as an avy vet, I

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01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 7: will say, yeah, we created the first SMMR is a

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01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,440
Speaker 7: long time ago. They fit inside a marine, they'd fit inside.

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Speaker 1: A fifteen fifty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, We've had nuclear powered guided missile cruisers in the

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Speaker 7: past as well. And today's nuclear technology very different from

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Speaker 7: the nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 1: Years light years.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: I like my dad's sixty six Mustang, But truthfully, wasn't

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01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 7: that good of a car.

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Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. I made the mistake of driving my

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01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 1: my ultimate dream car at one point was as thinking

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01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: about as a daily driver sixty seven fastback Mustang. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I got the chance to drive one that had

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Speaker 1: been rotissary restored noffles. Now it's like driving the team

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01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: can bridges powers, no power, sting, no power anything, and

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01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: it feels like a death trap. Yep, it's just on frame.

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Speaker 1: I wish I'd never driven. Its my bubble.

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Speaker 7: Ah, but it looks so good. But today's nuclear powers

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01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 7: nothing like the past. When people say, well what about

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01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 7: three mile Island, Uh, well, which may come back by

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01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:56,919
Speaker 7: the way, different start or Chernobyl, totally different stuff. And yeah,

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Speaker 7: so one of the things we've.

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Speaker 1: Done because.

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Speaker 7: You know, nuclear is a little bit different than your

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01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 7: average fired reactor. It's all about creating heat to make

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Speaker 7: steam to turn turbines.

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Speaker 1: Whether it is.

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Speaker 7: Whether using coal or nuclear power, it's the same basic philosophy.

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Speaker 7: And yeah, we need to cut the red tape and

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01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 7: figure out how to do this. We've spent the last

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Speaker 7: twenty thirty years trying not to build anything right, and

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01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 7: we can't do that. You know, as we've talked about

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01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 7: seven to ten years, when people say, well, in five

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01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 7: years will be all driving evs, well that's pretty interesting

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Speaker 7: because five to ten years from now, the power grid

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Speaker 7: that's outside it's going to be the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't fix that first.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, good look, but yeah, so you know one new

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Speaker 7: reactor they run, really they run about ninety eight percent

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01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,759
Speaker 7: of the time twenty four to seven. An average size

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Speaker 7: reactor can power half a million to three quarter of

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Speaker 7: a million homes. A larger reactor well over a million.

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Speaker 7: So what is that equal? That equals let's see million homes.

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Speaker 7: For a large reactor, you would need ten or eleven

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Speaker 7: million solar panels to do that, assuming we're in the

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Speaker 7: daylight solar panels.

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Speaker 1: And I understand nuke plants do require maintenance, of course,

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Speaker 1: like anything with moving parts. But you got to go

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Speaker 1: and polish and clean up those damn solar panels and

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01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: they fall apart, you got to replace them. That is

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01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: a regular, ongoing, twenty four to seven kind of maintenance

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Speaker 1: upgate project.

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Speaker 7: It is. And you know, if you want to have

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Speaker 7: some rooftop solar or you've got a cabin in the

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Speaker 7: woods or you know, fill in the blank, have at it,

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Speaker 7: but it can't replace base load power. And base load

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Speaker 7: power means that amount of power that we need twenty

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Speaker 7: four to seven, even when you're sleeping, you know, we

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01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 7: don't go below a minimum amount of power that we

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01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 7: need that has to be reliable power, and one of

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Speaker 7: the ways to do that, honestly is with nuclear and

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Speaker 7: we are moving forward. No two reactors in the United

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Speaker 7: States are exactly designed to like which like the re

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Speaker 7: vent the wheel.

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Speaker 1: Every time they build one. That's the problem.

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Speaker 7: Every car is different from the last one. That's just

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01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 7: crazy on the same assembly line. Well, there is no

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Speaker 7: assembly line. That's what we're trying to get to with

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Speaker 7: these SMRs is we license a product and we replicate it,

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01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 7: and like plugging in multiple batteries in parallel, you can

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Speaker 7: you can put these things together. You need more, great,

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01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 7: you need add one, Yeah, we'll add one.

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Speaker 1: It's lego technology. Five years from now, you needlrab a

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Speaker 1: nuke reactor and put it down next to the one

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Speaker 1: you previously bought. You can build them to get the

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Speaker 1: exact same way and shape and form and keep them

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Speaker 1: like any other product on the shelf. I know I'm

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01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: boiling it down to its basic terms. I am not

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Speaker 1: a nuclear physicist, but that's the concept.

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Speaker 7: That's right, and the ideal is it's scalable, less expensive,

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01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 7: and you know, you plug and play as you go.

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Speaker 7: The other point is you mentioned solar panels, which have

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Speaker 7: a fifteen to Well, let's give them the max twenty

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Speaker 7: five lifespan. Lifespan a nuclear power plant used to be

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01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 7: licensed for fifty years. The new ones that we're putting

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01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 7: in can have an eighty year life cycle.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, that sounds like a sound investment. Let's pause.

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01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: We'll bring Brigham back to answer the following question. Yeah, Brigham,

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01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 1: but the reason environmentalists hate him is because the nuclear

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Speaker 1: waste map seven here fifty five KC. The talk station

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Speaker 1: by the time was Brigham account Hudson Institute. He's the

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01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 1: host of Charged Conversation podcasts. He is an energy policy expert.

1636
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 1: Been talking about energy generation in this country. So we

1637
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 1: start with the fact that we do not generate enough electricity.

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01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 1: The green people stood in the way of creating abundant,

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01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: reliable power generation plants, whether it be coal or natural

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01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: gas or nuclear, something that runs all the time and

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01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: then can fill the gaps in left by the windmill

1642
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: and the sun and the solar panels which don't work

1643
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. And we were talking about small modular

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01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: reactors in the last segment. I think that is the

1645
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: ultimate answer to all of our prayers. Again, they're individual

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01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 1: they're small in size, produce abundance of power with a

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01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: very small footprint by comparison to the three mile island

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Speaker 1: version of nuclear plants that we're around in the nineteen seventies. Yes,

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01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 1: technology has advanced and they don't produce carbon dioxide for

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01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: people to think it's a problem with global warming or something.

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01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: But then riggan, what about the nuclear waste? Oh my god,

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01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: we got to put this nuclear waste someplace? Yeah? Have

1653
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: you noticed?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you may remember this from law school. When the

1655
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 7: facts on your side argue the facts when they're not

1656
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 7: argue emotion. Yeah remember that. Yeah, sure, yeah, so we're

1657
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 7: all going to die.

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01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: That is the it's the tier. You start with your

1659
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 1: strongest legal argument and that by the time you're at

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01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,799
Speaker 1: your last legal argument, it's an argument about a change

1661
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 1: in law because of public policy. Right, you need to

1662
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 1: change the law. You're in desperation mode.

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01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 2: On that.

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01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 7: You are in desperation and I think you know, again,

1665
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:54,839
Speaker 7: this is not the nineteen seventies.

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01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 1: We've come a long way.

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01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 7: But even if you took all of the radioactive material

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01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 7: from all of the civilian nuclear power plants to date

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01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 7: and we went up here to I don't know Mohler Princeton.

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01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 7: Take your pick and throw it all on the football field.

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01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 7: It would be less than six feet high.

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01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: All of it, all of it less than six feet high.

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01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: And we built that massive hole in the was a

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01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: Yucca mountain. We did.

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01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 7: We did, which we haven't been able to use because

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01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 7: remember Harry Reid, that guy from Nevada, did not want it. Yeah,

1677
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 7: not in my backyard. Actually worked on that. I worked

1678
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 7: on the railroad design that was going to bring that

1679
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 7: into the mountain. But you know, there is some low

1680
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 7: level way so I'm not including on my football field analogy,

1681
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:46,440
Speaker 7: but that stuff breaks down very quickly because old reactors

1682
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 7: were not a closed loop, so you would have some

1683
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 7: water contamination, very low level. You know, if you go

1684
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 7: on a nuclear powered submarine, which I've had the honor

1685
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 7: of doing before, and you have to wear a docimitter

1686
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 7: just in case. My readings indicated that I got less

1687
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 7: exposure for not being in the sun. So yeah, this

1688
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 7: is the thing. And the new generation reactors, the way

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01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 7: they're designed is what we call closed loop systems. You

1690
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 7: don't get the volume or the amount that you got

1691
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 7: in the past, and a lot of it is now

1692
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 7: recycled entirely, so you're generating very little.

1693
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: Waste, Okay, very little waste compared to the complete totality

1694
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: of all the waste ever only being six foot high

1695
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 1: on a regular standard football field.

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Speaker 7: Not the higher enriched stuff. And yeah, it does have

1697
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 7: a very long half life. And if we can get

1698
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:49,839
Speaker 7: to fusion, that's the ultimate dream. There is no waste

1699
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 7: long term, it breaks down so quickly.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then there's the question of enrichment. Now we

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01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: all learn from the Iranians what it takes to enriched

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01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 1: to nuclear bomb level. That's like in the eighty five

1703
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: percent plus range. Yeah, how much enrichment of uranium needs

1704
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,839
Speaker 1: to be done to get a regular nuclear plant level fuel.

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01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 7: Now, for most of these advanced designs, it's about three

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01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 7: to five percent, three to five which is why when

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01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 7: the Iranians are like, well, this is peaceful, we're at

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01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 7: sixty five percent.

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01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: You know, nobody should believe that, now, A little bird

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01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: told me at one point. Now, the nuclear reactors on

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01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 1: military vessels are a much higher enrichment level because of

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01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 1: the small space.

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01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 7: Correct and the desire and inaccessibility of or ease of

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01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 7: refueling them.

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01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 1: Exactly you had told me off air than in the

1716
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: old days used to have to cut a hole in

1717
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 1: the side of the submarine every twenty years to replace

1718
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: the nuclear fuel modern nuclear actors. On modern let's say

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01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: aircraft carriers. Wait for this fun fact, folks, they have

1720
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: a fifty year lifespan with the reactors, no changing of

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01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 1: fuel at.

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01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 7: All with the ones we're building now.

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01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:02,799
Speaker 1: Yes, fifty years. And how fast does that a modern

1724
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier travel in terms of knots?

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01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 2: You know?

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01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 7: So I think unclassified it will say in excess of

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01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 7: I don't know, twenty five or thirty knots. But let's

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01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 7: just say it's a lot faster.

1729
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot faster, folks. It isn't really necessarily confidential information.

1730
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 1: But my friends in the Navy know damn well how

1731
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,600
Speaker 1: fast those things go. And it is almost impossible to

1732
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: believe faster than like your speedboat there on the Ohio

1733
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: seven forty five. Right now, if you bove carse the

1734
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 1: talk station, we'll hear from U. We'll get our crime

1735
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: stop or bad guy the week right out of the gate.

1736
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 1: Then we'll finish up with Brigha McGowan on energy policy.

1737
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: After I mentioned share Fax, credit Union a better way

1738
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: to bank share successful thanks to the tips from folks

1739
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: like you. One more with Brigha McCown Hudson ins too.

1740
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: We've been talking generally speaking about our ridiculous energy policies

1741
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 1: and how they stand in the way of the demand

1742
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 1: that is obvious and evident and denied by no one.

1743
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: No one can deny the realities of our need for

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01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: electricity and increasing need and it keeps going up a lot,

1745
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: most notably because of artificial intelligence. But more people on

1746
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: the planet alone creates demand for more electricity. That's how

1747
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: we live, thrive, and svive. So with that in the background,

1748
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: knowing full well that the green alarmists have polluted our

1749
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:18,799
Speaker 1: elected officials with this religion, what we what's the fixed

1750
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Brigham cleaning them out and starting with new slate. I

1751
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: don't know how you're going to convince people not to

1752
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 1: turn their back and become heretics to the climate religion.

1753
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: But I mean, we need congressional action. So there you go.

1754
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 1: There we are.

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01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right, And like a lot of things these days, congress,

1756
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 7: DC policy politics, it's all polarized. But you know what

1757
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,719
Speaker 7: you've said is one hundred percent accurate. Brian energy policy

1758
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,759
Speaker 7: in America is no later. No longer made in Congress,

1759
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 7: It's made in court. And so we have energy policy

1760
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 7: stopped being made because Congress stopped making hard decisions a

1761
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 7: long time ago. When Congress punts either a president fills

1762
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 7: the vacuum. More likely the agencies of that administration fill

1763
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 7: the vacuum with regulations. The more detailed regulations are, the

1764
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 7: more most of these lawsuits are about procedure, not about outcome,

1765
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 7: and they delay things forever, and then courts become the

1766
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 7: decision makers. And look, I respect very much judges in

1767
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,560
Speaker 7: this country as a lawyer myself, but they're not equipped

1768
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 7: to make these kind of policies.

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01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: Are our elected officials brig them? Let's cut to the chase.

1770
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: Can Guam capsize my favorite illustration of the revelation of

1771
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: the stupidity of our elected officials. I bet you not

1772
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: a one of them knows anything about the realities of

1773
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: nuclear reactor production or anything related to the dangers associated

1774
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 1: with it, unless it's some opinion piece that some lobbyists

1775
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: handed to them.

1776
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 7: Well, there are people in Congress that are knowledgeable. I'm

1777
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 7: surprised everyone. Every once in a while, I'm surprised. I

1778
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 7: see there are but no, no, no, you're absolutely right because all.

1779
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Of them are not, and the vast majority of them

1780
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: are not. But yet they're writing laws that hobble us.

1781
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: They cripple us, well.

1782
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 7: They are, and or like on appropriations bills or the budget,

1783
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 7: they keep punting. And you know, when you sit back,

1784
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 7: you talk to Democrats, you're like, well, yeah, we need

1785
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 7: permitting reform because I want to build wind mills and

1786
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 7: solar panels. You go to the Republicans and they're like,

1787
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 7: we need permitting reform because we want to build our stuff,

1788
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 7: and you get them both in the room. You're like, guys,

1789
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 7: until we have permitting reform, you guys over here can't

1790
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 7: build your stuff, and you guys over here can't build

1791
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 7: your stuff. Yeah, but we don't want their stuff. We

1792
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 7: just want our stuff. I go, well, that's not how

1793
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 7: it works. And meanwhile, not only can we not build energy,

1794
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 7: we can't build any infrastructure.

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01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 1: Get rid. Okay, here's the answer to the question. Got

1796
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 1: your green side, you got your practical side. Both of

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01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: them want their permitting reform, don't want the other guys

1798
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 1: permitting reforms. Your point is, get rid of a reform,

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01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: all of it. Everybody, this project can be approved as

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01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,679
Speaker 1: easily as the next guys. Now, competition is in full

1801
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 1: play with no government manipulation. Are you gonna build a

1802
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,879
Speaker 1: solar panel array or you're gonna build a small modular reactor?

1803
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 1: And what's gonna give you the better bang for the buck?

1804
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 1: What's gonna get approved the small modular reactor?

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01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 7: Yes, and you know what, you let the uh we

1806
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 7: say this all the time. Let the consumers decide what

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01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 7: they want. If you're in California and you want five

1808
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 7: dollar gas, then fine, you gonna have five dollar gas policies.

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01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 1: Move there.

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01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 7: If you want solar panels in California, great solar panels

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01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 7: are great where the sun shines. You know, we we

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01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 7: tried to uh, there were some people in Alaska said,

1813
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 7: we need solar panels up here, like really six months

1814
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 7: out of the year on the side of the building,

1815
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 7: literally on the side of the building because the angle

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01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 7: the single too right.

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01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: Now, again, it doesn't it get like completely dark there?

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01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: It does half the year.

1819
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 2: It does.

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01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, at least it's very light for half of the

1821
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,919
Speaker 7: year depending on where you are, but it's very dark.

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01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: For that solar panel. Better be at the right angle though,

1823
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: as you point out, so.

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01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 7: Let's let's let's, you know, use common sense and deploy

1825
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 7: the best stuff where it works the best. The other

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01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 7: problem with renewables, as you know, Brian, whether it's wind

1827
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 7: or solar is, you need a backup system. So you're

1828
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:17,800
Speaker 7: creating two systems. It's belt in suspenders. It can supplement,

1829
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 7: it can assist why we can't take.

1830
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 1: The one that needs to be supplemented if the one

1831
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: who doesn't can be built without that added expense, just

1832
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 1: build the thing that works twenty four to seven and

1833
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 1: will all be happy people and the price of electricity

1834
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 1: will ultimately go down. Bring him account. It's always a pleasure, man,

1835
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 1: keep up the great work. You're always welcome here on

1836
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 1: the fifty five Kresey Morning Show. Find him where you

1837
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 1: find your podcast Charged Conversations produced by Joe Strecker of

1838
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: course he does, and of course online at Hudson dot

1839
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 1: org for the Hudson Institute's work. Break him. It's always

1840
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: a pleasure to having you man. Have a great weekend,

1841
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 1: and I'll look forward to having you back in here soon. Thanks, Brian,

1842
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. My pleasure. Indeed, seven fifty six

1843
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: right now, I'll also be a pleasure talking to Corey Bowman.

1844
01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: Apparently he's gonna be Corey Kenney Stiers on break post election. Yes,

1845
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: Corey Bowman ran from mayor of the City of CINCINNTAIA.

1846
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 1: You notice the color charted electoral map we keep permanently

1847
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 1: posted here on the morning show. Strekker put that up

1848
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: after the inquire produced it. So we see the red

1849
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 1: areas where people were smart enough to vote for you,

1850
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: Corey Bowman. And then we have the color coded chart

1851
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 1: showing the percentage of voters that went perval and the

1852
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 1: current makeup of Cincinni City Council, which is only one

1853
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 1: member different than it was prior to the election. And

1854
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 1: it's all you know, pervall fifty to seventy, per ball

1855
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: seventy one to eighty four, and per ball eighty five

1856
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: to one hundred. This, of course, based upon the reality

1857
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 1: of the last fall election where only one out of

1858
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 1: twenty five registered voters or people actually showed up to vote.

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01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 1: It's insane, Corey. I don't get it. I don't understand

1860
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: people's lack of interest or they're faire to pay attention

1861
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 1: to the problems that we all knew about going into

1862
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 1: the election. And here we are with the exact same

1863
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 1: cast of characters, and what unfolds in the aftermath is

1864
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 1: more information about how poorly run the city's been up

1865
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 1: up to the election. If we had all this information,

1866
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:13,600
Speaker 1: like the firing of police Chief Thiji, the camera installation

1867
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 1: that was promised for years and denied, on and on

1868
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 1: and on like these are reflections of mismanagement, I mean,

1869
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: plain and simple. The whole iris rolling thing floating around

1870
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 1: the background that has just got everybody like, what in

1871
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: the hell is this all about? It could have been different,

1872
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. So you're citizen Corey Bowman, but you're

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01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 1: still a West End resident, correct, Yes, sir?

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01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 3: Well, first off, thank you so much for having me.

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01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 3: Good morning everybody all for listening everything. It's going to

1876
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 3: be a great day today. But yeah, Brian, first off,

1877
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,679
Speaker 3: you know, thank you so much for the entire year

1878
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 3: that we were running that campaign that you consistently had

1879
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 3: us on talking about the issues and you know, like

1880
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 3: what you said, you know, when it comes to the

1881
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 3: management of the city, that's what we ran the race on.

1882
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 3: And I think that even after the election, even though

1883
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 3: it's not the results that we wanted to see, you know,

1884
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 3: the words of one of my friends, Christopher Smithman, Elections

1885
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 3: have consequences. Elections have consequences, and I think that one

1886
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 3: of the most important things we can continue to do

1887
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 3: is to keep these issues at the.

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01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 1: Forefront of the conversation.

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01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 3: You know, I made a post a while back go

1890
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 3: something that hit me pretty close to home, was that

1891
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 3: one of our church members, her granddaughter was Queen Irie,

1892
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 3: the eleven year old girl that got shot down.

1893
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:27,640
Speaker 3: So what happened was is that her grandmother is a

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01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 3: member of our church. The shooting happened at Laurel Park,

1896
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,680
Speaker 3: which is about six blocks away from our church, right

1897
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 3: across the street from where they live. And the little

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01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 3: girl two years prior, we had actually gotten a chance

1899
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 3: to pray with her at an outreach that we had

1900
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 3: at that park, at the very place where she tragically

1901
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 3: got her life taken away.

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01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: You had to have a vigil there because of the

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01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: other eleven year old that got killed there. Yeah.

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01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so two years before it was Dominic Davis, and

1905
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,200
Speaker 3: these are issues that we've seen throughout the city, and

1906
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 3: so I made a post just kind of pleading to

1907
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 3: the leader City Hall, just saying, this is an election here.

1908
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 3: I'm not making this post for another run or another race.

1909
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 3: I'm making this post as a citizen, as a pastor,

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01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,680
Speaker 3: as a business owner, as somebody of their community. And

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Speaker 3: the thing is that we've got to do better. We've

1912
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Speaker 3: got to do better when it comes to public safety.

1913
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Speaker 3: And I'll just throw this in there that the answer

1914
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Speaker 3: to that is not just throwing more money at it.

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Speaker 1: Well, no question about it. Although money is necessary to

1916
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Speaker 1: buy things like cameras, I think we all can probably

1917
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Speaker 1: come to a reasonable conclusion that, let's say, since the

1918
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Speaker 1: first eleven year old was shot in the park and

1919
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Speaker 1: the promise was made the cameras would be installed and

1920
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Speaker 1: it can't, we can acknowledge that cameras don't prevent crime,

1921
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Speaker 1: they deter it. I use the analogy again. Burglars know

1922
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Speaker 1: a house with a dog versus a house with no dog.

1923
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Speaker 1: They go to the house with no dog because who

1924
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Speaker 1: wants to take that chance? Cameras are up. It's like

1925
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Speaker 1: having a cop there. Do you want to take a

1926
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Speaker 1: chance where they can identify you even if you have

1927
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Speaker 1: a mask on. They can identify people based up on

1928
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Speaker 1: their height and their gait and their weight. With with cameras,

1929
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:03,919
Speaker 1: there are wonderful evidentiary tools to be used in finding

1930
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Speaker 1: a guy that committed crime. But in front of that

1931
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Speaker 1: is the guy that's going to commit the crime can

1932
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Speaker 1: look up or know there's cameras in this area. I'm

1933
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Speaker 1: gonna move to an area where there's no cameras. Yeah.

1934
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Speaker 3: Well also too, I mean the issues that we talked

1935
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Speaker 3: about the entire year, right when it comes to public safety,

1936
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Speaker 3: this isn't rocket science. You know, the crime has been

1937
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 3: a problem since canaan Able, right, and there has been

1938
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 3: solutions to that, you know, in our city. I think

1939
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 3: one of the biggest things that we were pushing that

1940
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Speaker 3: we still push right now is I mean, number one,

1941
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Speaker 3: you're twenty percent understaffed as a police department. Any organization,

1942
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 3: any company, any type of entity that is twenty percent

1943
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 3: understaffed is not going to operate to the fullest of

1944
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 3: its ability. We've got to increase lateral hiring. We've got

1945
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 3: to make sure that those complement levels are up. And

1946
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Speaker 3: then also we've got to put pressure on the judges

1947
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 3: to hold criminals accountable because I talk with the people

1948
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 3: in the community. These criminals do not paint a right

1949
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 3: picture of the entire community. They don't It's a very

1950
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,719
Speaker 3: small amount of people that aren't held accountable, and we've

1951
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 3: got to change that from the judicial system. And then finally,

1952
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 3: you got to bridge that gap between the police officers

1953
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 3: and the community they serves. One way to do that

1954
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 3: is to enforce low level crimes de escalation tactics and

1955
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,679
Speaker 3: encourage your officers to be more involved in situations rather

1956
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Speaker 3: than just only swoop in at the worst case scenario.

1957
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Speaker 1: Yeah, along those lines, I think of the whole you know,

1958
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 1: the romantic notion of the beat cop. Everybody knows them,

1959
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think of the I can't remember what

1960
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: it was the name of the program was, but swinging

1961
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 1: the baton, you know, the night stick walking down the

1962
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Speaker 1: street and saying hello to yeah, the Pleasantville andy griff

1963
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Speaker 1: indoors at night to make sure they're locked. I mean,

1964
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Speaker 1: it's all a romantic notion, but it does suggest that

1965
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Speaker 1: it's a friendly relationship, a familiar relationship with the people

1966
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Speaker 1: who the officers are patrolling in that neighborhood, and that

1967
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Speaker 1: connection sort of gives people the positive image of the police.

1968
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Speaker 3: You know, what's funny is that I was working at

1969
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Speaker 3: my coffee shop. I had to cover for one of

1970
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 3: my bearissas and as I'm in there, you know, that's

1971
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 3: kind of my opportunity to tell people, Hey, this is

1972
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 3: a good chance to meet me if you want to,

1973
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 3: you know, schedule meeting or whatever. I'm just going to

1974
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 3: be serving customers. So as I'm in there, gentlemen, comes

1975
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 3: in a very prominent businessman in the city, and over

1976
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 3: the course of thirty minutes of him in there, every

1977
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 3: customer came in. I probably gave a like ten second

1978
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 3: hug to every single one of them, saying, Hi, how's

1979
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 3: your family, how's this? And he just looked at me

1980
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 3: and said, well, you're like Andy Griffith right now, what

1981
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:31,679
Speaker 3: the heck is going on in the West End right now?

1982
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Speaker 3: But then if it's okay, I want to tell a

1983
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Speaker 3: story about what happened that night with the eleven year

1984
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 3: old getting shot, because we were with the family that night,

1985
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 3: and this was a kind of a revelation that I

1986
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 3: had because you know, the first radio interview I did,

1987
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 3: somebody said, well, this is really personal for you now,

1988
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 3: and I said, well, this was always personal to me,

1989
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 3: even throughout the race, because it wasn't just about being

1990
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Speaker 3: mayor of Cincinnati. That night, I got the call from

1991
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Speaker 3: the grandmother me and my wife if we're about to

1992
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,360
Speaker 3: go to Graters with our kids, and we go right

1993
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,599
Speaker 3: to Cincinnati Children's and we were with the family during

1994
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Speaker 3: some of the most horrific scenes that you would ever

1995
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 3: see when it comes to mourning and the loss of

1996
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 3: a loved one, from the mother, from the father, and

1997
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 3: from all the cousins, young cousins. Seeing the whole yeah,

1998
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,879
Speaker 3: and seeing the whole process, from the detectives, from the corner,

1999
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 3: from all these different processes, from how they're treated by

2000
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Speaker 3: social workers, all sorts of things going on, and then

2001
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 3: when they finally get escorted out at the end of

2002
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 3: the night, right, and it wasn't done rightly at all.

2003
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Speaker 3: When the whole family gets escorted out, we go to

2004
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Speaker 3: the place where Little Queen Irie was shot and it's

2005
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 3: at Laurel Park. It's right across the street from the

2006
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Speaker 3: grandmother's house. So we're there that night. I was there

2007
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Speaker 3: until past midnight. We got, you know, some pizzas delivered

2008
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Speaker 3: to the family. When something like that happens, the whole

2009
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 3: community comes out.

2010
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Speaker 1: Well.

2011
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Speaker 3: This is something that struck me, right, is that I'm

2012
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Speaker 3: out there just you know, kind of praying with people,

2013
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 3: talking with people about the little girl, and we're in

2014
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Speaker 3: in the middle of the park. Well, there's some cars

2015
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Speaker 3: that are pulling by that are fairly driving, fairly slow, right,

2016
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Speaker 3: and they've got ten windows. I mean, everybody's got ten

2017
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 3: windows now. But what happened was I called some contacts

2018
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Speaker 3: with the police department. I said, get some cruisers down

2019
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 3: here if you can, to Laurel Park to protect the

2020
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Speaker 3: family because they're out in the park their mourning. I mean,

2021
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 3: we're in the dirt where you can find blood where

2022
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 3: the girl was, right. So then the cop cars pull

2023
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 3: up and the whole community at first freaks out.

2024
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Speaker 1: And they think they're responding.

2025
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Speaker 3: They think they're responding right, and they think that they're

2026
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 3: there to try to clear them out. I raise up

2027
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 3: my hands and I say, no, no, no, no, no,

2028
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Speaker 3: that's me. Those officers are here for you, for your protection,

2029
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Speaker 3: to protect you. And then something just happened to where

2030
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 3: they realize that they could actually be on their side, right,

2031
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there thinking, isn't this what elected officials

2032
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:55,759
Speaker 3: should be doing. Isn't this what leaders in this city

2033
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 3: should be doing, bridging that gap between the community and

2034
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 3: the police office that want to protect and serve them

2035
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 3: and that's.

2036
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 1: The last thing on the pro vol administration agenda. Corey Bowman,

2037
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was Aftab at that meet. I

2038
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 1: know the answer is no. It's a rhetorical question from

2039
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,760
Speaker 1: jo just tracker, But no, Aftab Provoll wasn't at the

2040
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 1: park for your vigil. He hasn't never showed up there, has.

2041
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,160
Speaker 3: He to my knowledge, And you know, I like to

2042
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:19,719
Speaker 3: give credit.

2043
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 1: Where's credit, dude?

2044
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 3: To my knowledge, he did through a detective try to

2045
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 3: reach out to the family as well, and so I

2046
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 3: mean that's, you know, something that I think is needed

2047
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 3: as well, just leadership reaching out. I know there was

2048
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 3: a couple city council members that were there at the

2049
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 3: balloon release. So but this is something that we always

2050
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 3: have to put the forefront. Accountability, accountability to accountability. If

2051
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 3: we're if you've got that large amount of people proportion

2052
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 3: wise that are voting for these people in city Hall,

2053
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 3: well then it is your job to keep them accountable

2054
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 3: and make sure that they're doing the job of keeping

2055
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 3: the city safe, clean and protected.

2056
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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman will return. We got another segment with him

2057
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 1: before we get to the bottom of the ar with

2058
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Speaker 1: Jack Winsor, Editor in Chief, The isile Press Network a

2059
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 1: Neil Windsor report which you can find on zoom on

2060
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 1: ice in Ohio as well as property Pachas. That's the

2061
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: bottom of the hour. One more with Corey after these

2062
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 1: brief words. Eight eighteen Here fifty five Kercity Talk station

2063
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 1: post election coverage here with Corey Bowman from since formerly

2064
01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 1: running for mayor of the City of Cincinnati. He's still

2065
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 1: a resident of the West End. Of course, his church

2066
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 1: is there, his business with King's Arms Coffee, right, yeah,

2067
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 1: sort of shout out, that's free plug for you. Show

2068
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: up there. A lot of people do I can you

2069
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:39,599
Speaker 1: stay in touch with the neighborhood, get yourself a good

2070
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 1: cup of coffee, and support Corey Bubba, which I encourage

2071
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 1: you doing. Now. You mentioned earlier lateral hires, and I

2072
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:49,600
Speaker 1: know that. See I was gonna say your campaign in

2073
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 1: running for mayor had a couple of really positive results

2074
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:56,680
Speaker 1: the mayor. After that part, vol was denying that there

2075
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 1: was any crime to even notice in the City of Cincinnati.

2076
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 1: I know, I'm boiling down to its minimalist terms, but

2077
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 1: every time someone got hurt or shot or killed, there's

2078
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 1: nothing to see. It's just an you know, the violent

2079
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: crimes down. We kept hearing down, down, down, down down.

2080
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Speaker 1: Don't believe your eyes, don't believe the news, just believe

2081
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:14,760
Speaker 1: me and what I'm telling you. Kind of a marketing plan.

2082
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:17,800
Speaker 1: None of them ever supported the police. They were all

2083
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 1: part of many of them part of the defund the

2084
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 1: police movement. That was all the rage Black Lives Matter

2085
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 1: was going down, and we saw what happened to so

2086
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:28,679
Speaker 1: many cities on that. So your campaign, though, elevated crime

2087
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:35,080
Speaker 1: to the attention of the voting public. Coupled with Sarah Herringer,

2088
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:37,600
Speaker 1: whose husband murdered in her over the wrong department, I

2089
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 1: don't think, I don't think Mayor I have to have

2090
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 1: Pearl will ever bother to pick up a phone to

2091
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 1: call her. But whatever, you had the violent beat down,

2092
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:48,120
Speaker 1: most notably the issue involving Holly, who was able to

2093
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:51,639
Speaker 1: stop the fight by stopping a cold punch with her face,

2094
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:56,600
Speaker 1: knocking her out and causing serious bodily damage, and the

2095
01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 1: attention that that got things are out of control in downtown.

2096
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: That was force the administration because of you and your

2097
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 1: pro police campaign, to rise to the challenge. We're gonna

2098
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 1: do this, We're addressing crime. We're gonna throw five point

2099
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:10,439
Speaker 1: four million dollars. We're gonna put some cameras over on

2100
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 1: the West End, which had been promised for a couple

2101
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:16,480
Speaker 1: of years. We're gonna hire laterally, we're gonna add additional

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Speaker 1: police officers to fill the contingent of police officers on

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01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 1: the force, which is about two hundred down. There's an idea,

2104
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:28,599
Speaker 1: but then when they implement it, they open thirty spots up.

2105
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Speaker 1: And Ken Cobra, FLP president told me seven applied seven.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that has anything to do with the

2107
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:39,679
Speaker 1: administration's attitude toward and lack of support for the police

2108
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Speaker 1: department generally, Corey Bowman.

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Speaker 3: I think absolutely, and also to just the culture of

2110
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 3: how it's perceived of does city Hall actually back the

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Speaker 3: police and if the police are told to do their job,

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01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 3: you know, are they gonna be protected by you know,

2113
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Speaker 3: the administration that hires them essentially. So, yeah, you mentioned

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Speaker 3: that and I kind of showed you the T shirts.

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Speaker 1: That's a great story, folks, get a load of this.

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Speaker 3: So you know, we we tragically lost to the New

2117
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 3: York Jets this year. The Cincinnati Bengals did well that game.

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Speaker 3: I actually was a part of a tailgate and just

2119
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:18,720
Speaker 3: kind of meeting people and stuff, and one of a

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Speaker 3: group that I was meeting was a former, well not

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Speaker 3: former current NYPD officers. Now a lot of them had

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Speaker 3: come into town for the game because they're all Jets fans.

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Speaker 3: And then as I'm talking with them, you know, we

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Speaker 3: started talking with even the union presence and all sorts

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Speaker 3: of things that that just developed this relationship to be

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Speaker 3: able to communicate with I mean, in my mind, the

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Speaker 3: best of the best and the nation, you know, second

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Speaker 3: to c CPD what should be absolutely so, as we

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Speaker 3: were talking, I was sitting there telling these guys, hey,

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Speaker 3: just so you know, you know, we know what's coming

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Speaker 3: down the line with the future mayor, Mom, Dannie. We

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Speaker 3: know that there's a lot of distrust with that current administration.

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Speaker 3: This is what I was trying to do. Because I

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Speaker 3: knew lateral hiring was going to be an issue. I

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Speaker 3: had talked with many of them about the possibility of

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Speaker 3: them moving to their families to Cincinnati, an amazing city

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Speaker 3: that has a lower cost of living and if you

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Speaker 3: have an administration that backs you up. All of them

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Speaker 3: jumped at the opportunity of possibly moving to Cincinnati and

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Speaker 3: helping with the CPD and joining the force of Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: Police Department.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the cost of living here is so much lower,

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Speaker 1: it's insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So these are things that we were as a campaign.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just putting out videos and just saying hey,

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Speaker 3: we want to be mayor. We were trying to find

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Speaker 3: solutions because in my mind, this is such a key

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Speaker 3: issue that actually down the line a lot of people

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Speaker 3: are ignoring right now. But you've got you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: sixty to eighty officers maybe even more than that that

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Speaker 3: are entering that have the possibility of entering the drop

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Speaker 3: is what they say, right, they have the ability to retire.

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Speaker 3: Most officers under a good program don't take that retirement

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Speaker 3: right away. They continue on, they get their pension, they

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Speaker 3: get they build up their future for retirement. And also

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01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 3: they're working a job that they love and they want

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Speaker 3: to protect and serve the community. Right now, if things

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Speaker 3: don't change, you know, for the door, I'm telling you

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Speaker 3: right now, the even starting this year, there will be

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Speaker 3: a rush for the door to where that twenty percent

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Speaker 3: understaffed will quickly turn into thirty percent understaffed. And then

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Speaker 3: when you try to do the lateral hiring, when you

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Speaker 3: try to do any type of recruitment, You're going to

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Speaker 3: see low numbers there because the confidence, the morale, the

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Speaker 3: things that produce proper recruitment are not going to be employed.

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Speaker 1: Well, couple with that, knowing full well that as a

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Speaker 1: lateral hire, under the current circumstances, you are guaranteeing you

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Speaker 1: will be working a lot of additional overtime hours, whether

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Speaker 1: you can or want to or not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's something that you know, that's the culture

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Speaker 3: of the police department right now, to where I have

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Speaker 3: officers coming in my shop and you know, they just

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01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 3: don't know what to do because they got into the

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Speaker 3: job to protect and serve. They love the city, they

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Speaker 3: love the communities they serve. But the culture and the

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01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 3: morale has decreased so much over the years to where

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Speaker 3: we have to do things to make it better for

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Speaker 3: our police officers to be able to do their jobs properly.

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Speaker 3: And that's not happening right now.

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Speaker 1: Right And a simple non legislative, non monetary solution to that,

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Speaker 1: something to get the process started, is to get mayor

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Speaker 1: Aft have Provoll City Manager Cheryl Long, all of the

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Speaker 1: members of council. First, I'd say, maybe get rid of

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Speaker 1: Virus Rowle, who's a problem in the background, but beyond that,

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Speaker 1: to get out loud and start encouraging this cooperation starts

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Speaker 1: supporting the police department in the work they are doing

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Speaker 1: protecting the residents of the City of Cincinnati, and heeding

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Speaker 1: the advice that may come from withinside the police department

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Speaker 1: ways to solve the problems and provide better solutions so

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Speaker 1: that we can be better served by the police department.

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Speaker 3: I would also end it with this is that when

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Speaker 3: the problem of public safety always becomes an issue, the

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01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:58,800
Speaker 3: solution for the other side always is let's throw more

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Speaker 3: money at it. Right Airport of All suggested that we

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Speaker 3: raise the income taxes and the earning taxes of the

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Speaker 3: city in order to put more into public safety. But

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Speaker 3: I would venture to say, hey, we need to complete

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Speaker 3: overhaul of how the money is being spent, because right

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Speaker 3: now sixty four percent of our budget goes toward public safety.

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Speaker 3: But what's categorized as public safety? Are these lawsuits and

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Speaker 3: these settlements categorized in that Are all these administrative costs,

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Speaker 3: or are these community initiatives and all these things to

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01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 3: maybe paint a building or pick up trash or maybe

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01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:33,080
Speaker 3: all these events that don't have anything to do with

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Speaker 3: helping your police department, with helping public safety. You know

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01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 3: a lot of nonprofits and goos contractors, a lot that

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01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:43,560
Speaker 3: money is going toward a lot of things categorized under

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Speaker 3: public safety that is not going toward benefiting public safety.

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Speaker 1: Well, Irish Rolli's Son's got a job involved in public

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Speaker 1: safety at Government Square. That resulted in some actually some

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Speaker 1: printing work for t shirts and hoodies by Iris Rolly's

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01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 1: husband apparently has a printing company, So that's all worked out. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's no crime in Government Square anymore, is there, Corey Bowman.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I believe that there was just a recent

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Speaker 3: shooting that you got the guy.

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Speaker 1: I saw that as well. We'll call that a rhetorical question.

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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, Happy new to you, Best of health to

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Speaker 1: you and your family. Understand everybody's doing really well. I

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Speaker 1: asked you that off air. But your family's doing well. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We just celebrated my son's sixth birthday yesterday, so he's

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Speaker 3: very excited for that, and both my boys started school

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Speaker 3: this year as well. So yeah, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: great things. We love this city. We're just going to

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Speaker 3: keep on going and you know, just so thankful for

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Speaker 3: people like you that and for other people that have

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Speaker 3: had that voice in the community to be able to

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Speaker 3: bring these issues to light. I would say that these

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Speaker 3: people and anybody else that if you were lowed during

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Speaker 3: an election year, be even more loud during the off

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Speaker 3: election years. Hold people accountable because we have to see

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Speaker 3: our city, see safe streets, prosper streets, and.

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Speaker 1: Clean street and you like me, no one wants the

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01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:02,000
Speaker 1: city to survive and prosper more than us, and we

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01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 1: just feel that we have better ideas for that. The

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Speaker 1: current situation has proven to be a failure. There's a

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Speaker 1: different path. Why not at least try it? Counsel Corey Buma,

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Speaker 1: we will talk again soon. Keep up the great work

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Speaker 1: and get a cup of coffee at King's Arms Coffee

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Speaker 1: Shop in West Send. Support Corey Bowm and there's again

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Speaker 1: a free plug for you, Corey. I'm happy to do that, he.

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Speaker 9: Is.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course, the return of Jack Windsor, editor

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Speaker 1: in chief of the Hoigh Press Network. You can find

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Speaker 1: them online at the Ohio Pressnetwork dot com. That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Jack Winsor. It's great to have you on

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Speaker 1: the fifty five CARC Morning Show.

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Speaker 5: Sir Graham, Buck Guy as you know, was a deliverate,

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Speaker 5: high intensity effort by DHDS and Home Security Investigators HSI deploying.

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Speaker 5: My understanding is up to three hundred additional ICE agents

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Speaker 5: in Ohio, concentrated in Columbus, but of course spanning the

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Speaker 5: entire state, and it prioritized Brian the arrest of non

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Speaker 5: citizens without legal status, emphasizing those with what we would

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Speaker 5: call egregious criminal records, labeled the worst of the worst,

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Speaker 5: and the operation underscores a resolute stance on immigration enforcement,

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Speaker 5: of course from the Trump administration, and the last tally

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Speaker 5: that we had was two hundred and eighty arrests. Now,

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Speaker 5: I don't try to hang out on Reddit a whole

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Speaker 5: lot because generally we find the mouth breathing neck beards

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Speaker 5: there more than the sane minded people, but the trotal peers.

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Speaker 5: There are watchers and trackers still telling us that ICE

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Speaker 5: is hovering around Ohio State University Sawmill Road, So ICE

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Speaker 5: still is in town. I've reached out to Tricia McLaughlin,

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Speaker 5: my strong contact at the Department of Homeland Security, to

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Speaker 5: figure out where that operation has turned. But there have

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Speaker 5: been a lot of arrests.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when you mentioned the eighty rust figure whether it's accurate,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate that we're dealing with sort of fog

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Speaker 1: of war type reality here, but that's just in the

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Speaker 1: the greater Columbus area.

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Speaker 5: Well, my understanding is that is all over the Buckeye.

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Speaker 1: Stick, oh, the whole state of Ohio. That seems like

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Speaker 1: an extraordinarily low figure, unless, of course, Ohio has not

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Speaker 1: been an illegal immigration magnet.

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Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you that we've sent one hundred

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Speaker 5: and thirty five million dollars of cash in suitcases to

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Speaker 5: places like Minnesota and then Dubai, allegedly through the Somali

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Speaker 5: population in Columbus. And Brian, I think that's probably the

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Speaker 5: main reason Columbus was the focal point. And this is

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Speaker 5: where it gets really dicey, and the mainstream press doesn't

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Speaker 5: talk about this much. And so I'm gonna get a

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Speaker 5: little granular here without being confusing on a morning show,

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01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 5: because I know we all need our caffeine sometimes, but

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Speaker 5: there's kind of this Misnow.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what, Jack, hold on, Since you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: granular and I'm at eight thirty five, let's bring you

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Speaker 1: back and then you can get granular. Well, now, I'll

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Speaker 1: be it's very interesting stuff here. Jack's being gonna be

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the ohiopressnetwork dot com. Great site.

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Speaker 1: Bookmarket while you're there. You'd be glad you did that

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Speaker 1: as well for the constant report. And they've got going

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Speaker 1: on more with Jack Windsor after these brief words fifty

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Speaker 1: five krc Steve Leeve talk Station eight thirty nine Here

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Speaker 1: for the about KRCD talk station Brian Thomas with I

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Speaker 1: can see him, you can, Jack Windsor, he's at the

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Speaker 1: Ohio Press Network. Great stuff from Jack and all those

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Speaker 1: who help support Ohiopress Network. You can do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Just bookmark the site, read what he's got to say,

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Speaker 1: and of course support the site information they provide. Jack Windsor,

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Speaker 1: we're sticking with ice. You're getting ready to get what

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Speaker 1: you called granular. And remember I've got a weed dwelling audience, Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Don't feel too afraid to get into some weeds that

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Speaker 1: most of the people you talk to might not be

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Speaker 1: hipped to. But give us the straight to the straight

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Speaker 1: skinny there, Jack.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so I'll keep it simple. So DHS, they really

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Speaker 5: surged resources here to Ohio for that operation Buck Guy.

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Speaker 5: As we just talked about before the break two hundred

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Speaker 5: and eighty arrests were announced. And you know, one of

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Speaker 5: the things that the press likes to talk about, Brian

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Speaker 5: is that citizens could be investigated or arrested and that

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Speaker 5: should be illegal. That's not the case. Homeland security investigators

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Speaker 5: can certainly investigate citizens or for nationals who are here.

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Speaker 5: And part of why Columbus was targeted we now know

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Speaker 5: in retrospect. Right when Operation Buckeye was announced late December,

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Speaker 5: we didn't know this.

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Speaker 1: Now we do.

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Speaker 5: One hundred and thirty five million dollars left John Glenn

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Speaker 5: Columbus International Airport and it was essentially a Somali cash

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Speaker 5: smuggling operation.

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Speaker 1: And so in Columbus to Ohio. We know about this

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Speaker 1: because the TSA agents observed the hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 1: dollars in suitcases that we're going through the bag scanners

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Speaker 1: at the airport. Right well, that.

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Speaker 5: Would seem to be the case. We're still trying to

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Speaker 5: get the story straight on that, and don't I don't

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Speaker 5: want to get accusatory. All we know at this juncture

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Speaker 5: is there's one hundred and thirty five million dollars. I'll

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Speaker 5: keep it at that. We are looking into that. By

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Speaker 5: the way, John Solomon at Just the News has done

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Speaker 5: a fantastic job breaking and covering this story, but that's

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Speaker 5: part of it, right, So I really just want to

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Speaker 5: debunk that mainstream media myth that because ICE or DHS

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Speaker 5: is involved, that they can't look into people who might

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Speaker 5: be alleged citizens or foreign nationals. That's absolutely not the case.

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Speaker 5: If there is a foreign component and it's a threat

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Speaker 5: to national security, then all bets are off and they're

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Speaker 5: here to investigate the commission of.

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Speaker 1: Any Christic citizens get arrested for crime all the time.

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Speaker 1: If there's reasonable suspicions there's a crime going on, doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter whether you're a US citizen or a foreign national,

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Speaker 1: you're going to get investigated.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right. And by the way, ICE is still here,

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Speaker 5: and what we're hearing is that the arrests are about

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Speaker 5: two to three per day, So there has been a

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Speaker 5: tapering off, but my guess is we might see a

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Speaker 5: surge again. And you know, the bottom line is there

2347
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:28,440
Speaker 5: are two things going on. We want to make sure

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Speaker 5: that people who are here illegally and who are the

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Speaker 5: worst of the worst. And if you go down that

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Speaker 5: punch list of people who are arrested many of them

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Speaker 5: have convictions or have been cited and skipped court dates,

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Speaker 5: and so they have been apprehended. But then there's also

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Speaker 5: that component of is their fraud, waste and abuse, say

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Speaker 5: in the daycare system, in the home health system, in

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Speaker 5: the transportation system, and does it have a foreign component?

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Speaker 5: The answer is yes, and we're still gathering how big

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Speaker 5: that is. But Brian, we're probably talking about billions of

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Speaker 5: dollars when it's all said and down.

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Speaker 1: So in other words, we're analogous to the situation that

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Speaker 1: we've all been made aware of in Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: I would say yes, And in fact, I don't know

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Speaker 5: if you know this.

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Speaker 1: You may.

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Speaker 5: I was boots on the ground with a very very

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02:03:15,240 --> 02:03:16,160
Speaker 5: interesting character.

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Speaker 2: I like him.

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Speaker 5: His name is John Rocker for former Major League Baseball star.

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Speaker 5: He came to Columbus, Ohio to check it out and

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Speaker 5: one of the things that we just stumbled on was

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Speaker 5: the Somali Education Resource Center. Now we couldn't find it

2371
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:31,200
Speaker 5: because their online listings showed them closed and they were

2372
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:33,280
Speaker 5: not where they were supposed to be. We got there,

2373
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:36,720
Speaker 5: it is an office building. They did have a working

2374
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:41,160
Speaker 5: doorbell and video monitoring system. Well, as it turns out,

2375
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:44,480
Speaker 5: they've received forty three million dollars fourteen million dollars last year,

2376
02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:48,240
Speaker 5: but their credentials were revoked midyear. And so when we

2377
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:51,360
Speaker 5: started having conversations after being out on the street, what

2378
02:03:51,400 --> 02:03:54,000
Speaker 5: we learned was six and a half million dollars may

2379
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:57,080
Speaker 5: have been paid to the SMALI Education Resource Center improperly.

2380
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Speaker 5: So lawmakers now are working to call that back. But

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Speaker 5: the key to that is that ties directly back to Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Wow, But trying to call back six million dollars from

2383
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 1: someone I'm sure has zero assets at all, and all

2384
02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:13,760
Speaker 1: that money has already been sent back to al Shabab

2385
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:17,480
Speaker 1: through Minneapolis or even directly via wire transfer, You're never

2386
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:20,879
Speaker 1: gonna get that money back to Where's the failure, Jack Windsor?

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02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I that's this is statement, where's the failure?

2388
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:25,800
Speaker 1: Jack Windsor? Are do you place any blame at the

2389
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Speaker 1: hands of you know, Thedwine administration or maybe auditor Key Faber.

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Speaker 1: I know he's trying to crack down on some of this,

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Speaker 1: at least he's paid lip service to that. I mean,

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02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:36,720
Speaker 1: is this a just across the across the board, just collective,

2393
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Speaker 1: typical government program where no one bothers to follow where

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Speaker 1: the money's going.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it is. And look if Dwine is gonna stand

2396
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Speaker 5: on his little soapbox, which he needs literally because he's

2397
02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:51,280
Speaker 5: about my height. If he's going to stand on his

2398
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 5: soapbox and say, you know the buck stopped with me

2399
02:04:54,240 --> 02:04:56,760
Speaker 5: during COVID, well, then Governor, the buck stops with you

2400
02:04:56,960 --> 02:05:01,320
Speaker 5: on unemployment, on Medicaid, medical from this and so we've

2401
02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:04,280
Speaker 5: heard this from everything is fine to Wine before, right Brian,

2402
02:05:04,520 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 5: where he's come out and said, oh, you know, the

2403
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:09,560
Speaker 5: improper payments through the unemployment system are not significant.

2404
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:09,880
Speaker 2: Wrong.

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02:05:10,200 --> 02:05:13,240
Speaker 5: We broke that story billions of dollars. The director left

2406
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:14,920
Speaker 5: and then he came out and said, hey, you know

2407
02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:19,360
Speaker 5: the improper payments or lack of oversighted Medicaid, isn't that significant?

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02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:19,680
Speaker 2: Wrong?

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02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:22,160
Speaker 5: We found that that might be six billion or more

2410
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:24,680
Speaker 5: per year. The director is now gone, and so he

2411
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:26,600
Speaker 5: has the goal to get out in front of people,

2412
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:28,760
Speaker 5: in front of cameras and say, well, this is just

2413
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:31,600
Speaker 5: the cost of doing businesses and there's not significant fraud here.

2414
02:05:31,720 --> 02:05:33,760
Speaker 5: I think he's going to be wrong again, and I

2415
02:05:33,800 --> 02:05:35,560
Speaker 5: think that the buck does stop with him. Now, what

2416
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:38,560
Speaker 5: I will tell you when we investigated the alleged Medicaid

2417
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:41,240
Speaker 5: fraud here in Ohio that was initiated by state Representative

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02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:44,320
Speaker 5: Mike Devilla, a Republican out of Borea. What we found

2419
02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:46,920
Speaker 5: was that the Auditor's office had for a long time

2420
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:51,400
Speaker 5: attempted to do some auditing, but the Dwine administration said, no,

2421
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:54,040
Speaker 5: we can't do that because it's a hip of violation

2422
02:05:54,120 --> 02:05:56,760
Speaker 5: to share too much of this information. So there was

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02:05:56,800 --> 02:05:59,280
Speaker 5: a there were there was language put in the biennial

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02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:02,560
Speaker 5: budget that passed last year that gave five million dollars

2425
02:06:02,600 --> 02:06:05,760
Speaker 5: to auditor Keith Favor to audit the medicaid system. So

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02:06:06,440 --> 02:06:09,680
Speaker 5: favorite it has now ratcheting powers, and I expect that

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02:06:09,720 --> 02:06:11,720
Speaker 5: he's going to be more able to do the job

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02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:13,880
Speaker 5: he was elected to do. And I don't necessarily put

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Speaker 5: it at the feet of Keith Faber. I put it

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02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:17,960
Speaker 5: at the feet of Governor Mike Dwine Wow.

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Speaker 1: And to the hip of sharing it, that's It seems

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02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:24,360
Speaker 1: to be a nonsensical argument, because medical providers often share

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02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:27,400
Speaker 1: a hip hop hip for qualified information with third parties.

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02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:30,840
Speaker 1: They just enter into a confidentiality agreement where the third

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Speaker 1: parties have to follow the hipp A law within government.

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Speaker 1: That seems to me like he said something that will

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Speaker 1: be presumed.

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Speaker 5: Jack, Well, and and that's one and two. I want

2439
02:06:42,120 --> 02:06:44,640
Speaker 5: you to think about how asinine it is. Right you

2440
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:47,360
Speaker 5: have a state auditor whose job it is to audit

2441
02:06:48,240 --> 02:06:51,080
Speaker 5: uh state agencies, and you have a governor saying, well,

2442
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:54,120
Speaker 5: you can't audit this agency. I mean, it is the

2443
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 5: definition of insanity.

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Speaker 1: But it's on my job description, says Keith Favor. I'm

2445
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:02,800
Speaker 1: supposed to let me be doing this. Jack Windsor will continue.

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02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:04,720
Speaker 1: We'll get one more. We're gonna dive onto the area

2447
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:08,720
Speaker 1: of property tax is hot issue and one that I

2448
02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:11,120
Speaker 1: think some of the elected officials are sweating about, given

2449
02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:12,440
Speaker 1: that there may be a ball an issue to a

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Speaker 1: completely eradicate properly taxes and Ohio. Jack Windsor from the

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Speaker 1: Isio Press Network one more coming up.

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Speaker 7: Next fifty five KRC KRC the talk.

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Speaker 1: Station, AY fifty thank you Joe Strecker for the dead

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Speaker 1: Kennedy's awesome. Jack Windsor from the high Press netwhere we

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Speaker 1: call this appropriately themed bumper music. So Jack, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: move on over with Jack. Remember he is from the

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Speaker 1: High Press Network. Find a bit of hot press the

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Speaker 1: Ohio Pressnetwork dot com and get a subscription great stuff

2459
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Speaker 1: focusing on Ohio and hopefully we'll go a different direction

2460
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:54,320
Speaker 1: with Vive Gramaswami as governor of the State of Ohio,

2461
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:57,000
Speaker 1: who will I am certain, use all the resources within

2462
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Speaker 1: his power to crack down on fraud, waste, and abuse

2463
02:07:59,120 --> 02:08:02,160
Speaker 1: there is a lot of in Ohio. But we also

2464
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,960
Speaker 1: are dealing with property taxes something else is a bit

2465
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:07,520
Speaker 1: of a sticky wicket. I know that the budget that

2466
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:11,320
Speaker 1: was passed well resulted in some line item vetos by

2467
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:14,120
Speaker 1: our favorite friend, Governor Mike Dwine, who thought he might

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02:08:14,120 --> 02:08:16,480
Speaker 1: have had a better plan going on steam in the background.

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02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:19,120
Speaker 1: So some efforts by our elected officials to give us

2470
02:08:19,120 --> 02:08:23,800
Speaker 1: some relief and shot down, and then some were advanced

2471
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:28,880
Speaker 1: but really not quite adequate. Are we What are we

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02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:31,880
Speaker 1: going to do? Because I guess the looming elephant in

2473
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:34,800
Speaker 1: the room is that idea that a ballot initiative might

2474
02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:38,080
Speaker 1: eradicate property taxes, and they are ill equipped to deal

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02:08:38,120 --> 02:08:39,120
Speaker 1: with the aftermath of that.

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Speaker 5: Jack Yeah, so let me can I sprint through what

2477
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,240
Speaker 5: was done real quick in the address? Okay? Awesome? So

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02:08:45,880 --> 02:08:48,600
Speaker 5: I do want to point out that Governor DeWine did veto,

2479
02:08:48,760 --> 02:08:51,440
Speaker 5: as you mentioned, for provisions in the biennial budget. But

2480
02:08:51,880 --> 02:08:54,600
Speaker 5: what lawmakers figured out was if they took each of

2481
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:57,360
Speaker 5: those provisions, put him in separate bills, and got Democrats

2482
02:08:57,360 --> 02:09:00,560
Speaker 5: to support him, then Diwine would actually sign them. And

2483
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:03,960
Speaker 5: that's exactly what happened. It was political theater that delayed

2484
02:09:04,240 --> 02:09:08,760
Speaker 5: taxpayer relief yet again, congratulations to Wine, but some bills

2485
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:10,880
Speaker 5: were signed at the end of twenty twenty five. House

2486
02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:14,280
Speaker 5: Bill one twenty four is a foundational reform on how

2487
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:18,920
Speaker 5: property values are assessed, and it modifies the sales assessment ratio.

2488
02:09:19,000 --> 02:09:25,080
Speaker 5: One twenty six fundamentally shifts the burden invaluation challenges, so

2489
02:09:25,240 --> 02:09:29,200
Speaker 5: it basically says prove it instead of requiring the homeowner

2490
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:32,000
Speaker 5: to come and really the value of their home. So

2491
02:09:32,160 --> 02:09:33,560
Speaker 5: it flips the script there.

2492
02:09:33,480 --> 02:09:35,440
Speaker 1: On that note Jack, real quick here, they have to

2493
02:09:35,480 --> 02:09:39,320
Speaker 1: provide the comps that they use in determining your homes valuation.

2494
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:42,760
Speaker 1: That's right, that's wonderful. Okay, I like that.

2495
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:46,160
Speaker 5: It's great. Yeah it is, it's fantastic. Sorry to sprint

2496
02:09:46,160 --> 02:09:46,760
Speaker 5: through that and I do.

2497
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:47,760
Speaker 1: No, it's okay.

2498
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:49,920
Speaker 5: There, I get Roland and I don't hear well, so

2499
02:09:50,080 --> 02:09:54,200
Speaker 5: I apologize. House Bill one twenty nine addresses long standing

2500
02:09:54,200 --> 02:09:57,720
Speaker 5: school funding by expanding the twenty mil floor to encompass

2501
02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:02,200
Speaker 5: fixed some levees, emergency substance growth, and overall the adjustment

2502
02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:05,960
Speaker 5: should lower the effective tax rate for homeowners. One eighty

2503
02:10:06,080 --> 02:10:09,880
Speaker 5: six it might be the most impactful, which introduces the

2504
02:10:09,960 --> 02:10:13,280
Speaker 5: inflation cap credit for school districts at the twenty mil floor,

2505
02:10:13,680 --> 02:10:17,240
Speaker 5: limiting annual tax increases to the rate of inflation based

2506
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:20,200
Speaker 5: on the GDP deflator. And then there's House Bill three

2507
02:10:20,200 --> 02:10:24,200
Speaker 5: oh nine that institutes a vital oversight by requiring county

2508
02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:28,160
Speaker 5: auditors to annually review school district levies for over collections

2509
02:10:28,160 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 5: in any revenue that exceeds voter approved amounts due to

2510
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:36,879
Speaker 5: value increases, and those excesses can be returned, which is huge.

2511
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:39,840
Speaker 5: And then House Built three thirty five caps revenue growth

2512
02:10:40,080 --> 02:10:43,879
Speaker 5: from unvoted inside millaged and that's like, you know, German

2513
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:46,120
Speaker 5: to me, but it is a form of relief. But

2514
02:10:46,200 --> 02:10:49,240
Speaker 5: here's the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room. I

2515
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:54,320
Speaker 5: think that repealing property taxes or tearing down property taxes

2516
02:10:54,360 --> 02:10:57,200
Speaker 5: in Ohio has a ton of momentum, and I think

2517
02:10:57,200 --> 02:10:59,120
Speaker 5: that that's what we're going to have to talk about

2518
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:02,160
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six because the government. Actually, it's not

2519
02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:04,640
Speaker 5: even going to be the state government. It's gonna be

2520
02:11:04,680 --> 02:11:07,840
Speaker 5: there are over sixty five hundred taxing authorities in the

2521
02:11:07,880 --> 02:11:11,520
Speaker 5: Buckeye State. That should shock everybody. Yeah, but police stations,

2522
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:14,040
Speaker 5: fire stations, schools are going to be like the mice

2523
02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:16,200
Speaker 5: and the cheese might get moved, Brian, and I think

2524
02:11:16,240 --> 02:11:18,640
Speaker 5: that's the big conversation that we're going to talk about

2525
02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:19,520
Speaker 5: in the year ahead.

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Speaker 1: How about that? Well, recognizing how federal government works, which

2527
02:11:23,640 --> 02:11:25,960
Speaker 1: is hurry up. Going back to one of your points

2528
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:29,840
Speaker 1: about returning over collection of school district taxes. I like

2529
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:32,720
Speaker 1: the idea, but the federal government, when their agencies see

2530
02:11:32,720 --> 02:11:34,320
Speaker 1: that they've got a ton of pile of money they're

2531
02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:35,680
Speaker 1: sitting on toward the end of the year, they start

2532
02:11:35,680 --> 02:11:37,600
Speaker 1: throwing it out into the wind because if they don't

2533
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:39,600
Speaker 1: use it all, they're not going to get anymore. Who

2534
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:41,440
Speaker 1: in the hell what school district got there? Is ever

2535
02:11:41,480 --> 02:11:44,920
Speaker 1: going to write a check to return unspent funds. Don't

2536
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:46,480
Speaker 1: you think this is going to result in them just

2537
02:11:46,520 --> 02:11:49,120
Speaker 1: being rather liberal with their expenditures.

2538
02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:53,520
Speaker 5: Potentially, But I think what we're going to see so

2539
02:11:53,680 --> 02:11:56,000
Speaker 5: follow me on this. It's kind of complex. It hurts

2540
02:11:56,000 --> 02:12:00,400
Speaker 5: my brain. Yes, however, that makes it income and upon

2541
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:03,760
Speaker 5: the citizens in that district to hold the district accountable

2542
02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:06,960
Speaker 5: and to clamor. But secondly, State Representative Mike Devilla is

2543
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:09,760
Speaker 5: at it again. He's introducing a bill called the zero

2544
02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:15,080
Speaker 5: based Budget, which would require because the states will likely

2545
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:18,320
Speaker 5: take on more responsibility in funding schools, yes they will.

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02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:20,920
Speaker 5: So now if that happens, then they have to come

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Speaker 5: every ten years. And it's like peeling all the paint

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Speaker 5: off steel before you paint it again. You've got to

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Speaker 5: prove that you need this money. That's so I like that.

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Speaker 1: I love it too, because they sell us a bill

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Speaker 1: of goods. Locally, oh we need this. The whole place

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02:12:36,400 --> 02:12:38,680
Speaker 1: is falling apart. But when you got people in Columbus

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Speaker 1: who have no connection to your specific school district, they

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Speaker 1: might look at it with a clearer set of eyes.

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Speaker 1: Jack wins or. So that's, you know what, positive news,

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad we're going in the right direction. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just waiting to see what else has done, because,

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Speaker 1: like you said, man, you know, if they glue, if

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Speaker 1: they take property taxes away, the whole place is like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, what are we going to do? Jack

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Speaker 1: went to find them online, go to the Ohio Press

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Speaker 1: network dot com. Excellent reporting there. Get a subscription, Jack.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to have you back on the fifty

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Speaker 1: five Cares Sing Morning Jope. You have a wonderful weekend.

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Speaker 5: It's an honor. Thank you, Brian, and thank you Joe.

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Speaker 5: God bless you have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: And you sir. Eight fifty six earlier on the program,