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Speaker 1: Bee cunning him the Great American.

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Speaker 2: A few hours ago there was a note that Governor

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Speaker 2: Mike DeWine is going to endorse Viveke Ramaswami. That should

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Speaker 2: not be great shocked because both are Republicans, but there's

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Speaker 2: John of you and I now is Governor Mike DeWine.

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Speaker 2: And Governor DeWine, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 2: And Governor, can you announce now why you're endorsing Viveke

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Speaker 2: Ramaswami now and didn't do it a few weeks ago?

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Speaker 1: Well, I could give you the answer that this is

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Speaker 1: a little humor here this afternoon. I could give you

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Speaker 1: the answer that Governor Rose gave when he endorsed Reagan.

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Speaker 1: And the reporter said, well, governor, Governor, why why today?

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Speaker 1: And he said, well, yesterday would have been too soon

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Speaker 1: do much. It's going to shift their heads and walked away.

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Speaker 1: I guess so, uh, look, I think that you know

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Speaker 1: president from northwest Ohio, someone very well respected. And so

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, that was a very very

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Speaker 1: to endorse him. Uh. I think he'll be a good governor.

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Speaker 1: This is you know, will be a significant race. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're electing the governor and uh it's a big,

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Speaker 1: think he really hit a home run today with Rob McCully.

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Speaker 1: Good good choice, very very very good choice. And you know, Bill,

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Speaker 1: Knows how to do it, so continued economic growth for Ohio.

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Speaker 1: It's just so very very important.

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Speaker 2: You know, Governor, when this came out a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: that you were equivocating a bit, there was some thought

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Speaker 2: Do you think doctor Amy Acton is in a sense

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into that. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: But we're not talking about a very different position. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about being governor. For the whole state twelve million people.

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Speaker 1: You know, Bill, after having done this for seven years,

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Speaker 2: And Governor de One I had on a couple hours

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Speaker 1: Well, I had a whole press conference the other day

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Speaker 1: We have no tolerance for fraud at all. I don't

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Speaker 1: We're about one hundred thousand children who are in daycare

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Speaker 1: we have a lot more daycare centers now, but fifty

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Speaker 2: Do you say loud and proud there is not massive

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Speaker 2: That does happen here too. But are you saying, as

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Speaker 1: Is there some fraud that occurs? Yeah, You've you've got

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Speaker 1: I mean, we you know, we are concerned about that.

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Speaker 2: Govin Are you more sensitive to this than you otherwise

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Speaker 1: Look, look I don't I don't like that quote. That's

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Speaker 1: not my quote. Uh, you know, but we want to

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Speaker 1: be honest. Just fraud occur. I can tell you it's

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Speaker 1: but we're vigilant. It's important. Uh. We owe this to

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Speaker 2: Lastly, viveg Ramaswami's floating a trial balloon of maybe getting

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Speaker 2: maybe he also said get rid of state income tax.

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Speaker 2: So those are the main drivers of funding government. And

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Speaker 2: of income taxes. Are those aspirational goals? Practically could Ohioans

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll see how you do both of those. Know,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I mean I think that is,

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Speaker 1: Real estate taxes, I just signed a series of bills

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Speaker 1: when a couple that say they're seventy five years old

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Speaker 1: that's what's causing some of the people who want to

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can do that. Can you have reform? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And I think we, you know, were starting to achieve

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Speaker 2: All right, Governor, thanks for setting the records trade in

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Speaker 2: those regards, and I have on guests now and then

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Speaker 2: to say things like the massive fraud, there's a sense

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Speaker 2: because you had which I think was a meritorious event,

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Speaker 2: you and your wife had a Haitian orphanage, that somehow

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Speaker 2: your bendover backwards to assist those other entities. How would

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Speaker 2: you address the fact that the kindness you showed for

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Speaker 2: twenty years in Haiti is kind of weaponized against you

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Speaker 2: to say, as if he might agree with some of

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Speaker 1: On, Well, well, look what we have done in Haiti

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Speaker 1: for Father Tom, and you know, we were help them

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Speaker 1: away with him, and that's just something we do as individuals.

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Speaker 1: It's not something I do as governor. It's something we

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Speaker 1: do as individuals. So doesn't change my attitude. Don't think

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Speaker 1: we're going to be visuals for any time we see fraud.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be focused on Ohio and focused on

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Speaker 2: All right, Governor, thank you very much. I want to

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Speaker 2: get a quick comment by David Pepper, selected by Ammy

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Speaker 2: I know David Pepper, He's run for many offices unsuccessfully.

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Speaker 2: What's your thoughts about him being the lieutenant governor? Or?

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Speaker 2: Will he be the lieutenant governor with Amy Acton?

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Speaker 1: Well, I saw that announcement today, so you know again, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I simply simply go back. I think that what prevented

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Speaker 1: Bob mcpellay, he made a good decision as far as

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Speaker 2: Hi, Governor, thanks for coming on. I called you on

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Speaker 2: the sly because I wanted to get to may A

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Speaker 2: I said, down nine to one, one get the cops there.

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Speaker 2: But I just have a sense that between you, the

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Speaker 2: some fraud in the Columbus, which is a blue city.

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Speaker 2: But I always said, Ohio is a red Stone eight.

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Speaker 2: the prosecutor, spent years as the attorney general, and Mike

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Speaker 2: DeWine doesn't have a corrupt bone in his body, and

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Speaker 2: so I'd be shocked if had the same level. But

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Speaker 2: are there some mistakes. Absolutely, But thanks for coming on

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Speaker 2: and setting the record straight.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it that way, all right, talking with you,

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Speaker 1: We'll do it. We'll talk about the reps next time.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Rets, we only got about five weeks. What advice would

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Speaker 2: you give to Mike Brown of the Bengals to tell

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Speaker 2: Mike Brown to do what?

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Speaker 1: Well, let's uh, I'm yeah, I don't know, it's uh.

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Speaker 1: We got a great quarterback, We've got great receivers and

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Speaker 1: But there's some things that have to be done, just

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Speaker 2: Well, let the RESU made the playoffs. At least they

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Speaker 2: got to the playoffs. We'll see what happens. But Governor

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Speaker 2: Mike Dwine, thank you very much. And I reached out

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Speaker 2: to Vivek Ramaswami. He's going to come on Monday to

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Speaker 2: talk about the income tax, the property tax and all

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Speaker 2: that stuff. We'll see what happens. But Governor Mike Dwine,

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Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the Bill Cunning m Show. Once again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mike, Thank you, Governor, thank you. You see

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