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Speaker 1: Man, it's time for another edition of May in Your

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Speaker 1: Faith now, along with college Football Immortality.

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Speaker 2: Glenn Mason, Here's Dan Burrero. Here we go.

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Speaker 3: Mace God, I don't even remember what he looks like.

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Speaker 3: Do you guard Sye? It's been so long. I looked

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Speaker 3: at his Wikipedia page. He looks like Jerry Kill. Has

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Speaker 3: anybody corrected that yet?

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Speaker 2: Is still up?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 3: Come on, well it's We're just trying to bring it

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Speaker 3: to people's attention so it can be corrected, because I

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Speaker 3: don't think you look anything like Jerry Kill.

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Speaker 2: Nothing against Jerry Kill.

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Speaker 3: Mace's back and Fargo and that's where he joins us

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Speaker 3: if you have questions for him. Brat Sean Brian Cafe

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Speaker 3: in text line six four six eight six. That's six

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Speaker 3: four six eighty six. Mace, a question out of nowhere,

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Speaker 3: apropos of nothing. In the course of your long and

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Speaker 3: distinguished football career, first as a player, then as an

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Speaker 3: assistant coach, then as a coordinator, then as a head coach,

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Speaker 3: did you ever have any time at all getting to

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Speaker 3: know herschel Walker.

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Speaker 4: No, I really didn't. I know.

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Speaker 5: When I was an assistant coach at Ohio State, we

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Speaker 5: tried to recruit me I wasn't the assistant doing it.

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Speaker 4: We tried to recruit herschel Walker.

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Speaker 5: Earl Bruce was the head coach at that time, and

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Speaker 5: I remember him coming back and saying herschel Walker, what

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Speaker 5: a great player. He said, But I went to the

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Speaker 5: school and I went to his home and he said, coach,

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Speaker 5: why don't you ride with me? And he said, I

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Speaker 5: got in his transam and he was driving about ninety

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Speaker 5: miles an hour. You know, it was a heck of

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Speaker 5: an experience. He said, we're not going.

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Speaker 4: To get him.

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Speaker 3: And University of Georgia I was there for that freshman year.

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Speaker 3: I covered him for Vince Dooley, well, not the for

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Speaker 3: covered Vince Dooley for the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Great guy

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Speaker 3: to deal with, by the way, Dooley I had it.

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Speaker 3: You think I always have bad relationships with coaches. I

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Speaker 3: had a wonderful working relationship with the late great Vince

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Speaker 3: Dooley at Georgia. And then again, they were undefeated that season,

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Speaker 3: so that might have had something to do with it.

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Speaker 5: Well, being that he's late and he's great, I can't

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Speaker 5: verify if.

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Speaker 4: That's true or not.

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Speaker 5: So you can say everything that.

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Speaker 2: You oh man, I figured you'd say that.

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Speaker 3: I bring Herschel's name up because I'm wondering if now

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Speaker 3: that you have so much free time on your hand

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Speaker 3: or hands, I should say, whether you're in Fargo, whatever

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Speaker 3: you might be, would you ever consider taking a US

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Speaker 3: ambassadorship overseas? Because Herschel apparently is going to be our

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Speaker 3: first ambassador to the Bahamas in quite some time. That

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Speaker 3: was announced either last night or earlier today. Could you

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Speaker 5: Well, I just could imagine where they'd send me to

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Speaker 5: be an ambassador.

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Speaker 4: I'm not you know, the Bahamas.

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Speaker 5: I'd probably say yes, yes, because I'd say I'm not

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Speaker 5: too sure that that's pretty good job there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's got to be a plumb assignment for him.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a I think that's a Donald J.

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Speaker 3: Trump reward for something I'm not I'm not sure, Uh, Coach.

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Speaker 5: Mason one of many you ever see the I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's it's kind of a payback support somebody either or

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Speaker 5: you know, publicly, and that's the payback you get, you know,

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Speaker 5: a pretty good duty. You might not be qualified for it,

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Speaker 5: but yeah, and that's just not with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: That's a long list of what's gone on forever.

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Speaker 2: Rush it's part of the deal. Uh.

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Speaker 3: But by the way, will you please ask Mace if

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Speaker 3: he ever he has ever had a quarterback controversy like

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Speaker 3: the Vikings are dealing with currently, or was Cupitot always

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Speaker 2: Good callback to the Brian Cupada days.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know we I think we talked about

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Speaker 5: And and I guess maybe you have a controversy anyway

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Speaker 4: To Seattle and the jury's still out on the car.

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Speaker 4: We haven't seen him yet. Not enough, yeah, not enough

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Speaker 3: But do you have a I don't know, and an

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Speaker 3: Seaver's view on is he's played reasonably well under tough circumstances,

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Speaker 3: given you he was. He joined the team last week,

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Speaker 2: The rest of the season.

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Speaker 3: So what did you have kind of a coaching philosophy

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Speaker 3: on how you make these These are tough decisions to make,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I used to talk about it all

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Speaker 5: Of a philosophy theo, if you have two quarterbacks and

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Speaker 5: you can't make up your mind which one's better, neither

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Speaker 5: or may not be true, because some of these talents

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Speaker 5: of guys that are good enough, fortunately or unfortunately, depending

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Speaker 5: how you look at it. And my situation in college

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Speaker 5: is every place I've been when I say, hey, coach,

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Speaker 5: we didn't have guys at that talent, but we didn't

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Speaker 5: have you know where we had two guys that would say, jeez,

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Speaker 4: It was pretty clear cut for.

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Speaker 2: US Hendo in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 3: Reminds us Mace, you're already the US ambassador to North Dakota.

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Speaker 3: You've kind of proven that point the last month.

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Speaker 4: Well that's good.

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Speaker 5: I guess I wouldn't mind being the ambassador to North Dakota.

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Speaker 4: As long as they can live in Fargo, I'd be

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Speaker 3: Is there a big is there a lot of hatred?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to you now, because you're the expert.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not really sure the question I asked.

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Speaker 4: And they said, you bet, yeah. And you know, I.

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Speaker 5: Guess one's real good in football and one's good, real

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Speaker 5: But there there is a competition there. I'm not sure about,

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Speaker 5: I'm not privileged as yet, but I will ask around.

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Speaker 3: Uh seven to one five guy writes, I saw TikTok

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Speaker 3: where PJ said Greg greg Eslinger is the greatest Gopher

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Speaker 2: Is that true?

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Speaker 4: Guardian?

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Speaker 2: Do you know if that's true?

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Speaker 4: Or is he just trying to.

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Speaker 2: Get Mace going?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, how about that PJ is standing

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Speaker 5: If it's true, If it's true that he said that,

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Speaker 5: PJ put his name up on the stadium. Come on,

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Speaker 5: what are we waiting for. I'm tired of talking about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Did you get to watch any or all of the

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Speaker 3: Gophers debacle in Columbus against the Buckoups.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't call it a debacle, but I okay, I

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Speaker 5: watched the game, and I've and I've got some uh thoughts. Okay,

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Speaker 5: you know, first of all, let me just talk about

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Speaker 4: Drake Lindsay. I am really really impressed with that.

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Speaker 5: I mean not just the first drive, but as I

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Speaker 5: when I was coaching, I used to challenge my coaches

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Speaker 5: As far as evaluation of players, so you're down there

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Speaker 5: And I'm just telling you, if I had the first pick,

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Speaker 4: I'm taking Drake Lindsay. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: I was controversial, and no it's not.

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Speaker 4: It's not at all.

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Speaker 5: Only if you want to make a controversial when I'm

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Speaker 5: saying what I was thinking. If I looked at Drake

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Speaker 4: They were already.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I'm not saying that that the Gopher

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Speaker 4: You have got problems.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I think the offensive line for The Gophers did

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Speaker 5: a pretty good job pass protecting for him, but man

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Speaker 5: in their run game, they got manhandled.

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Speaker 4: You go back and.

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Speaker 5: Watch that film if you watch it closely, their number

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Speaker 5: of times that defensive line for a high State playing

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Speaker 5: on the Gophers side of the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: Really they got man hill in the running game.

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Speaker 5: Now, defensively, and you know, at that's a handful trying

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Speaker 5: to defend that offense. But how you think you could

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Speaker 5: play man coverage against those wide receivers. That' pobre one

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Speaker 5: quarterback number fourteen, I think that's his number.

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Speaker 4: Come on now, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean that guy's gonna not only gonna be in the NFL,

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Speaker 5: he's going to be a star in the NFL. I

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Speaker 5: couldn't believe how big that wide receiver he's He's two

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Speaker 5: hundred and thirty pounds.

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Speaker 4: Do you believe that way he runs? But you're you're.

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Speaker 5: Looking at a team, let's say a good High State

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Speaker 5: against a highest seed team that might just be a

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Speaker 5: great Ohio State team. They have talent every which way.

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Speaker 5: And you know you're talking about the number of players

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Speaker 5: that Ohio State lost off of last year's defense with

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Speaker 5: all four guys off the defensive line. Now in the NFL,

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Speaker 5: if that's true, how many teams can do that? I

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Speaker 5: mean it's you're comparing apples and oranges.

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Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like you're not willing to give the

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Speaker 3: buck Geys much credit. I mean, you're making it sound

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Speaker 3: like what else can they be?

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Speaker 2: But great? With all the talent they have.

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Speaker 2: To me, the defense is the story.

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Speaker 3: I mean they've they've they haven't even given up double

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Speaker 4: But defense is the story right now. Then that and the.

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Speaker 5: Wide receivers they're running attack at the High State's not

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Speaker 2: Like fourth.

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Speaker 4: What would you have done? I'm just kind of curious.

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: Even in a worse situation, you say, well, it's fourth

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Speaker 5: What's the difference if you get be forty two to

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Speaker 4: You know, just keep going. Maybe maybe you'll get lucky.

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Speaker 3: Are James Franklin's days numbered in State College?

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Speaker 2: And should they? Should they be?

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Speaker 5: Fifty six million dollars, you know, I think if I

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Speaker 4: But whoever is.

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I thought we we saw the worst, the

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Speaker 5: And I've said before, there's only two kinds of coaches.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you that. Yeah, but fifty six million.

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Speaker 3: What was the biggest buyout you ever had in any

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Speaker 5: Yeah, from University of Minnesota. And I don't know who

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Speaker 4: They had to pay me. Who would have done that

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Speaker 5: You know, it's easy to do things when you're paying

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Speaker 4: I didn't get any forty six.

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Speaker 4: I didn't get six. Now I'm not biggrudging when I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was insanity that they they signed me to

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Speaker 4: We went to a.

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Speaker 5: So but you know, like I said, they you know

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Speaker 4: You know, right now, do you ever do you ever

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Speaker 3: Do you ever say to yourself, Man, I was born

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Speaker 5: Well, and if I had ever been born earlier, I

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Speaker 4: You know that's true.

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Speaker 5: You know the thing about now guys that are in

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Speaker 3: By the way guards the or Mace. Do we know

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Speaker 2: Bad, Mace. It's really bad right now? Is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 2: You know, salvageable?

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Speaker 3: Because I've heard some people say, look, he inherited a

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Speaker 2: In a year.

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Speaker 3: Hell, you came here and inherited a huge disaster. I

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Speaker 5: It ain't good, I can tell you that. And you

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Speaker 5: But hiring Bill Belichick, you would have thought they would

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Speaker 4: Or maybe a little bit better.

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Speaker 5: No one expected them to win the conference and get

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Speaker 5: But it looks like a disaster. And what they ought

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it's just. It obviously has just

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Speaker 3: They were beaten by Clemson thirty eight to ten on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: That was at Chapel Hill, and you know, Guardian our

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Speaker 3: He has a really nice signature game. They knock off Buffalo,

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Speaker 2: The Belichick warning was, we're not we we do.

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Speaker 3: Not We're not going to send out anything about what

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Speaker 3: a little bit more philosophical and you let, you know,

444
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: you let go of some things. But it feels like

445
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 3: Belichick in some ways is kind of his own worst

446
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:41,719
Speaker 3: enemy here.

447
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 4: What do you think, Well, I don't know if that's

448
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 4: you know, true or not.

449
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 5: I know that he didn't let the New England Patriots

450
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 5: on their campus yes because he said he wasn't felt

451
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 5: welcome on their campus, and then Vrabel came out they

452
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 5: coach Patriot. That's not true. He's welcome here any time.

453
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 5: I would have to think that. I have a hard

454
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 5: time believing that. I think that Bill Belichick has more

455
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 5: bigger fish to fry than worry about what Drake May

456
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 5: has done.

457
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 4: I mean, he's getting his head handed to him right now.

458
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 5: As far as those other rumors, you know, it's hard

459
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 5: for I think a lot of people that think, well,

460
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 5: would Belichick want to bow out after one season or

461
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 5: even right now? And you think no, But you know,

462
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 5: let's not forget when Lou Hols left n C State

463
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 5: and went to the Jets, and all of a sudden

464
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 5: he realized this is not what I thought it was

465
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 5: going to be. Maybe I've been off more than can chew.

466
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 5: And he left, you know, and he went to Arkansas.

467
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 5: So I think everybody was surprised when he did that,

468
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 5: to walk away from the New York Jets job in

469
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 5: the NFL after I'm not even sure it was one year.

470
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 5: I know it was not more than one year, So

471
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 5: who knows what's going on. I mean, he's just like

472
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 5: Lou Hols didn't have a background in pro football. Bill

473
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 5: Jack has a big background in football, but not college football, No,

474
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 5: not at all, and he might think, oh, this is

475
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 5: a lot different than I thought it would be.

476
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: All right, Indiana off to a terrific start again this year,

477
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: very soft non conference schedule, but they in the Big

478
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: Ten have been good to very good. They destroyed Illinois,

479
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: they found the proverbial way to win on the road

480
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: against Iowa on an afternoon where they didn't play great,

481
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 3: but they did, you know, indeed get the victory. They

482
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: get the week off, and now they prepare for what's

483
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: Oregon ranked? Is it six, five or six? I can't remember.

484
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: They're ranked pretty high and they're good and it's there.

485
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 3: So I mean, if you were let me put it

486
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 3: this way, if you were in Signetti's shoes, do you

487
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 3: do you have if you're being fair, do you have to.

488
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: Look at this?

489
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,239
Speaker 3: Is this as well as games man? If whether it's

490
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: fair to us or not, we're still not totally taken

491
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: seriously at the top level because when we played really

492
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 3: good t games last year, what Ohio State regular season,

493
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: Notre Dame in the postseason, we didn't fare very well.

494
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 3: We were not particularly competitive, and sooner or later, that's

495
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: what we got to do. We got to go to

496
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: a place like Oregon and we have to win the

497
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: damn game. Is that fair for for Do you think

498
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: that's what even Signetti has to think right now? If

499
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: he's if he if he wants to really be genuine.

500
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 5: Oh, I think so, you know, I I think that

501
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 5: Signetti Coachingnetti's done a good job of putting a chip

502
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 5: on the shoulders of I think he had a chip

503
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 5: on his shoulders anyway for him, yes, but for his

504
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 5: players and his program to say, no one really respects

505
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 5: in the end. We've even talked about that. You know,

506
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 5: was last year as great as it was for them?

507
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 5: Was it a one off? H And he's kind of

508
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 5: backed it up so far. You know this year, he's

509
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 5: he's done a good job, and a lot of people,

510
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 5: maybe me included, we're waiting for that other shoe to

511
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 5: fall and say, you know what, he's made him good.

512
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 4: But they're not that good.

513
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 5: You know, they're they shouldn't be in the conversation of

514
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 5: being the college football playoff two years in a row.

515
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 5: If he goes out there and plays and beats him,

516
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 5: then we're all saying, hey, you know what, they're really legit,

517
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 5: let's get off, let's get on the back. If he

518
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 5: goes out there, it makes the game close and still

519
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 5: Lou yes, they're a lot better. But if he goes

520
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 5: out there and tammis, yeah, he gets beat by twenty

521
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 5: five or thirty points, then we say, well, yeah, they're

522
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 5: not the old Indiana, but they're sure not the new Indiana.

523
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

524
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: I think the latest ratings, I see Oregans three and

525
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: the Indiana's seven. I don't remember the last time. I

526
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 3: don't even know if Indiana has ever been ranked as

527
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: high as number seven in the country. So and that's

528
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 3: a two thirty. I think that's a two thirty game.

529
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 3: And that I think he said. I think he nailed it.

530
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I mean, you don't believe in

531
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 3: moral victories, but there's a difference between, as you say,

532
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: losing by twenty seven really never being in the game,

533
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: and let's say losing by three or even six for

534
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: a game that goes down to the wire, that gets

535
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: into the U in the fourth quarter. And believe me,

536
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: I think look for a lot of schools, I think

537
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: they should root for what Indiana represents right, because it's

538
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: a place that's been awful in football, as you know,

539
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: with rare exception, and I think programs like that are

540
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: all looking for hope, right, the idea that it's not

541
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: always the blue bloods that that you know, that are

542
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 3: ranked that high or ranked in the top ten with

543
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: a chance to be something, you know, to have a

544
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: significant season.

545
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're right on one count. And one

546
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 5: thing you're not looking at is there's a lot of

547
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 5: programs out there. Let's say, if Indiana gets the college

548
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 5: football playoff again, there's a lot of programs that are

549
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 5: going to tell their coach, Hey, if Indiana can do it,

550
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 5: I can't wait exactly. Yeah, why aren't you there? You

551
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 5: know they're you know, we used to be ahead of Indiana.

552
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 5: You know what's going on to me in this game?

553
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 5: I really think the challenge is for Indiana's defense against

554
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 5: Oregons off what I've seen against Indiana's offense. That quarterback

555
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 5: what's his name, Mendoza? Correct, he's good, now, I mean

556
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 5: he's really good. It looks like they can as long

557
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 5: as they can protect and they can move the ball

558
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 5: on just about anybody. Now, can their defense hold up

559
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 5: against our offense, and they're playing in a really, really

560
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 5: tough place at awesome Stadium is as loud as it

561
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 5: gets their wild out there.

562
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 4: They love their ducks. It'll be a big challenge for Indiana.

563
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm looking at I let me call it up here

564
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: real quick. The you know, we've spent a lot of

565
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: time in this show talking about the Viking schedule. The

566
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: feeling was the first five games was relatively favorable and

567
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: that you almost need to like go four and one

568
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: or five and zero to sort of give yourself a

569
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: little breathing room. Now that you get after the bye,

570
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: this middle section, that's a lot of really good teams.

571
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 3: Now again the Ravens have struggled, although right now they

572
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: don't have their quarterback. Presumably by then they would have

573
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: their quarterback. And you know, contrary to that, for the Gophers,

574
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: it's like, well, this is now that you're past Ohio State,

575
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: this is the stretch where you kind of got to

576
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: get fat, you know, and it starts with hosting Purdue

577
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: for homecoming on Saturday. Then you've got Nebraska here, you're

578
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: at Iowa, and you've got Michigan State here before you

579
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: have to go to Salem. Guards he has to go

580
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: to Salem on the fourteenth of November to face Oregon.

581
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: So to me, that's the challenge here, right, is these

582
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: are all games.

583
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 4: What are you talking about? Salem?

584
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: You mean, Eugene, Eugene. I don't why I keep saying Salem, Yeah, Eugene, Oregon.

585
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

586
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: For some reason, I got Salem on the brain. I

587
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: don't know why to get too.

588
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 5: I thought maybe that's what the salad bar was for guards.

589
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 5: I wasn't really sure.

590
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: Well, maybe it is. It's possible. Salad bar. Yeah, salad bar.

591
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: Are you sure you mean the salad.

592
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 4: Bar, the Salem salad bar. You never heard of it?

593
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's big time time.

594
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough.

595
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: But to my point this is there's an opportunity here,

596
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: right if you play to the level that you think

597
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: you are, you got a chance to fatten up the

598
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: record a little bit.

599
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 5: Well, I think it goes back to the big picture

600
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 5: that when you're a place like a so maybe any program, uh,

601
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 5: make sure you win the games that you're capable of winning,

602
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 5: especially playing at home. Yes, and then finger keep your

603
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 5: fingers crossed that you'll beat somebody that you really shouldn't

604
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 5: be able to beat.

605
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: It's an upset for whatever reason.

606
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 5: You know, you play really well, they play average, or

607
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 5: they have turnovers or wherever. And if you beat the

608
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 5: teams that you're supposed to beat and then beat one

609
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 5: team that you're not supposed to beat, man you have

610
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 5: a great year.

611
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all true. Let's get one more.

612
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 5: And you're talking about the Gophers should be Purdue, right, Yes,

613
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 5: they are a big If they play well, don't turn

614
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 5: the ball all over, they'll win win that game.

615
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 4: Nebraska.

616
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 5: Everybody keeps holding their bread for Nebraska to beat Nebraska.

617
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 5: I don't think it's this year again, I can tell

618
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 5: you that. Uh. And then you know, it seems like

619
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 5: Iowa is you know, they're even down there at Kinnick Stadium.

620
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: They're very vulnerable.

621
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 5: And then Michigan State, I see where there's rumors some

622
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 5: of their fans want coach Smith already bought out of

623
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 5: his contract.

624
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: It's infanity.

625
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably is. By the way, was there bad

626
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: blood between you and Joe Tiller back in the day.

627
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: Was Joe Tiller the guy you coached?

628
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: Not at all? You got a lie. I really liked

629
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: Joe Tiller. Joe Tiller was a great football coach.

630
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 5: He was and he went in there and uh, you

631
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 5: know to think that you know, he kind of I'm

632
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 5: not saying they fired him, but he kind of bowed out.

633
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

634
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 5: They forgot how good they had with Joe Tiller. I

635
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 5: know that, Uh, conversations I had with him. He was

636
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 5: not really fond of Morgan Burke, his athletic talker.

637
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: Interesting.

638
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he used to tell me all the time, you know.

639
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 5: You know Morgan Burke was a produe graduate. He was

640
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 5: a letter winner, not in football. He was a swimmer,

641
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 5: I think, and some of the some of the things

642
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 5: that you know Joe thought that they should be able

643
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 5: to do. They butted heads on based on my conversations

644
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 5: with them. But no, I had great respect, you know

645
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 5: for Joe Tiller.

646
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: Great coach did.

647
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: And wasn't he the head coach who presided over the

648
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: greatest swindle of your entire coaching career the game at

649
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: the at the Metrodome where they moved the ball like

650
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: ninety yards in six seconds for the field goal.

651
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 5: He had nothing to do with it, but yeah, it's

652
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 5: a you know, we took over and they I forget

653
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 5: how many seconds they have, but the first down they

654
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 5: had the legal procedure and they got penalized, and it

655
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 5: was like, I don't know, seven seconds on the clock

656
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 5: and this would be the last play of the game.

657
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 5: And I dropped back and they threw the ball to

658
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: midfield and they caught it, but the game should have

659
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 5: been over. We tackled them. Uh and uh, you know,

660
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 5: you check it out. The officials except for the referee,

661
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 5: they all turned around for the locker room. There was

662
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 5: one second left on the clock. And I'm not going

663
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 5: to mention the referee, but he told me privately, he said,

664
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: we couldn't believe it. Only at Minnesota, playing at home

665
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 5: would there be one second on the clock.

666
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: So did you?

667
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: And my recollection is we've talked about this before that

668
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: that was the last game for that time timekeeper.

669
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that's true. It would have it would

670
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 5: have been if I was in control, but I had

671
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 5: no power that should happened.

672
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: No, I was there before. It was stunning.

673
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's that's the way it is. I guess. Yeah.

674
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: I went back and I used to stop watch. There

675
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: actually should have been two seconds left. So the person

676
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: did make a mistake, but not the way that you thought.

677
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: They got it off so easily to midfield there should

678
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: have been doing this.

679
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: All it's going to do is extend the segment. Hey,

680
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: you're right, we got a break, no problem, Oh.

681
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: Man, Mace handling that with unusual a plumb All right,

682
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: let's break. We'll get to whatever else is on your

683
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 3: mind in our final segment for today's show. Kessler is

684
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: in studio or will be at about five point thirty.

685
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: Mace in your face back with us for a final segment,

686
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: at least for this week. Question from Todd via the

687
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: Bratcheawn Brian Kfean text line, who did Mace have the

688
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: baddest blood with when he was coaching?

689
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 4: Oh? Boy?

690
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 5: Well, before I answer that, though, you brought up Joe Tiller. Yeah,

691
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 5: I was sitting at the break. Let me tell you

692
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 5: a little story. Ry my first year working for the

693
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 5: Big Tent Network had a game for due. So I

694
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 5: had a meeting scheduled with Joe Tiller in his office

695
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 5: on a Friday, and I got there in his secretary

696
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 5: he says, well, Joe, coach Tiller is running a little lately.

697
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 5: Can I get you a cup of coffe? And I

698
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 5: said sure. He comes walking in about five minutes late

699
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 5: later in a T shirt and shorts with grants.

700
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 4: All over his feet.

701
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 5: I don't you know where you've been, he says, I

702
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 5: mean cutting my laws, and I just I couldn't believe it,

703
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 5: you know, But that's what he was doing, is he's

704
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 5: cutting his own one. Probably the guy, uh that I had,

705
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 5: I got along with. I would say most guys, but

706
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 5: probably when I was at Kent State with Jerry Faust,

707
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 5: we went head and head on some field exchange issues,

708
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: and uh it became really out in the public in

709
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 5: the medias. Uh you know, we had we had, we

710
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 5: had some words over no kidding.

711
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, Jerry fous get fired and got the job.

712
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 5: And he he came in and uh, I think he

713
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 5: thought he was still the head coach at noticame and.

714
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 4: And I wasn't gonna take it.

715
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: I love it. So he was like not giving you film.

716
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: You guys sort of do film exchanges as a courtesy,

717
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: and he was not going along with it.

718
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: Was one of those deals.

719
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 5: Well, as I remember, I think this is accurate. No,

720
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 5: it wasn't. He wasn't given me film. I wasn't given

721
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 5: him film because we had played.

722
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 4: One more game than he did.

723
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 5: Okay, so he wanted all four games and I was

724
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 5: on to get three and he called me, uh, unethical.

725
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: And really, yeah, I love it. That's juicy.

726
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 4: Publicly he called me unethical. So did you.

727
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 2: Respond to him?

728
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: What do you think?

729
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: I have a hunch you might have.

730
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: I didn't get the nickname Mason.

731
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: In your face for nothing.

732
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 4: Oh that's too good.

733
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: I don't I don't remember that one. How long did

734
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: did he last there? I don't even remember, was it?

735
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: I mean, uh, well, I don't know.

736
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 5: I was only there two years. He was there two years,

737
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 5: but he's he stayed there and uh, you know, he

738
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 5: had great success at Mohler.

739
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 4: Heist legendary, not so much at uh at Notre.

740
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 5: He really wasn't you know. He really wasn't a bad

741
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that he was. He was a good person,

742
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 5: but it was he was a one way guy, you know,

743
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 5: Jerry faustway, and uh, whatever he thought should go should go.

744
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: And that isn't always the case.

745
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's yeh, that's good one. I don't remember

746
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: you talking about that before.

747
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: Tiller always struck me, you know, he there's coaches you

748
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: mentioned it earlier. There's coaches who want to coach, and

749
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: there's coaches who just want to be the coach, and

750
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 3: Tiller struck me as one of those guys.

751
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: He didn't care.

752
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: He didn't have a lot of airs about him, right,

753
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 3: I mean he didn't. He didn't play the role. He

754
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: didn't perform that he that he coached. Not a lot

755
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: of you know, not a lot of pumpsity there. I

756
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 3: didn't think No, I would agree with you one percent.

757
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 3: If you didn't know he was the head coach, he

758
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: wouldn't know a coach. And you know the thing about

759
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: it was.

760
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: He wasn't known as a recruiter, you know, really he

761
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 5: used to talk about how much he hated recruiting and

762
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 5: he you know, he didn't beat a lot of people

763
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 5: on named players, but the guys that he got were

764
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 5: awful good. You know, you look at Drew Brees, I

765
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 5: think from Austin, Texas. They didn't recruit him down there,

766
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 5: and he got him there and he was as good

767
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 5: as they could be. And he was the guy that

768
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 5: really I'm talking about Joe Tiller. He changed the Big

769
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 5: ten true. You know, he had a pass offense second

770
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 5: to none out at Wyoming. And I remember at his

771
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 5: press conference someone asked him, they said, do you really

772
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 5: think your pass offense can survive in the Big Ten.

773
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 5: And he said, what do you mean? He said, did

774
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 5: you ever see the weather that we get in h

775
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 5: late over November in the Big Ten? He says, you

776
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 5: ever been to Wyoming? You know?

777
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 4: And and that was the case.

778
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 5: I mean, if you could perform in those conditions out there,

779
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 5: it didn't matter what the conditions were. You know, he

780
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 5: really had He knew what he was doing. He was

781
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 5: a good coach.

782
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 3: I forgot about Breeze, like you say, so that tells

783
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: me he so he must not have been very highly

784
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: regarded right coming out of high school.

785
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 4: I don't know that. You know, we weren't involved in recruiting.

786
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 5: He got him down there, and I think Drew Brees's

787
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 5: grandfather played for Texas.

788
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 4: Big mistake for.

789
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 5: The long Ones if they didn't recruit in But I

790
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 5: would have to venture to say there was probably a

791
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 5: lot of schools in Texas that you know, bypassed him.

792
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 5: And just like a lot of people said, well he

793
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 5: was good in college, but he ain't gonna be able

794
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 5: to do it in pro football he's too short. Yeah,

795
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 5: Well he did it in pro football too.

796
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: Certainly did Texters a couple of final texts than anything else.

797
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 2: That's on your mind. This is from Athletic fat Guy.

798
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: He links to a story under this line via Yahoo

799
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: dot com inciably moves towards allowing schools to sell corporate

800
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: logo space on team your uniforms, your thoughts.

801
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 5: Well, I think we're going to be like NASCAR before

802
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 5: too long. You know, it's it's you know, it's crazy.

803
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: I thought he was going to bring up, if I

804
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 5: read it right, that now the NCAA is and let

805
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 5: college athletes legally bet on pro sports.

806
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 4: Where are we going with this? I mean, this is

807
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 4: there's no end crazy.

808
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 5: But you know the thing about it is college athletics

809
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 5: is really really greedy. You look at the TV contracts

810
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 5: and the naming rights on sports and now they're all

811
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 5: selling booze and they're uh, not only naming the stadiums,

812
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 5: they're naming the field, They're naming this, they're naming that

813
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 5: and all.

814
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 4: This kind of stuff.

815
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 5: And at the same time, you think if they're doing

816
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 5: all this, they could lower the ticket prices for the

817
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 5: people coming to the game. No, they raised those ticket

818
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 5: and a seat license and all this stuff. Uh, it's

819
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 5: it's crazy, and everybody wonders, why, uh that all the

820
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 5: athletes all of a sudden said well, you know, hey,

821
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 5: we're not getting ours, you know now we need N

822
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 5: I L. And you're not gonna you know, tie us

823
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 5: into one program and the next thing that's gonna happen,

824
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 5: maybe it's already happened.

825
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: You're going to see a high profile.

826
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 5: Athlete for one of these schools and they get to

827
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 5: the college football playoff and before the championship game, they're

828
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 5: gonna go behind closed door their agent and say, hey,

829
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 5: you want him to play tomorrow?

830
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: We need more money.

831
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: He's gonna athletic. Fat guy.

832
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: Also reminds us of another guy at Purdue that I

833
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 3: haven't thought about a long time, Mike Alstein. It's a

834
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 3: nice that not why I care out to be a

835
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: good pro too. But he was a hell of a

836
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 3: college player, as you know, as you saw.

837
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 5: I didn't uh uh, I didn't have to face him,

838
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 5: thank goodness. Uh he was gone by the time I

839
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 5: got there. But you know, a tough player and really

840
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 5: good player. You know, it's amazing the number of good

841
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 5: quarterbacks that produ has had over the ages.

842
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: It's uncanny, going all the way back to uh who

843
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: were some of the early guys. But uh, Greasy was

844
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: the first. Yeah, the one that comes to mind. You

845
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: have back in the old days. But Mike Phipps was

846
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: good and very good.

847
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: College kid. Lynn Dawson go to school.

848
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you go there.

849
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: I'm not sure Len Dawson, I don't remember. Guards he

850
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: double check Len Dawson for us.

851
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: I will great ever.

852
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 4: Ever go there?

853
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: Yeah he did. That's right.

854
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did have quite a tradition at the quarterback position.

855
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: You're right, as is a custom for a Mason. Your

856
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 3: face appearance. I've done a little digging in the last

857
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: minute or two. I have the Daily Kent State or

858
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 3: digital archives to September twelfth, nineteen eighty six, previewing the

859
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 3: Golden Flashes meeting up with the Akron Zips. The natural

860
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 3: rivalry that exists between the teams due to the closest

861
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 3: of the universities intensified this week. A lot of it

862
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: had to do with the coaches involved, Glenn Mason and

863
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 3: Jerry Faust, both new to the schools. A dispute between

864
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: the coaches concerning Mason's decision not to exchange game films

865
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: attracted more media attention to the game than ever before Boom,

866
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 3: Regardless of what went on this week. Neither team saw

867
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: the other on film. Here's your guys, Stu Simms, Mace

868
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: All that doesn't even matter. We're just going out there

869
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: and playing. Everybody's blowing everything out of proportion.

870
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: There it is the media, so we do media Jackals.

871
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 4: Well, let me just tell you so.

872
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 5: But my recount of that story Pruce once again fact

873
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 5: and fish everybody else's fiction.

874
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: We'll take it up with herb Hall the Star staff, right,

875
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: don't blame mosswdn't do it.

876
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: By the way, nobody Craig go to Kest because he

877
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: has a story here.

878
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 4: So I told the truth.

879
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: Well did you are you just remembering it wrong?

880
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 4: No? What did I say? I said we had an

881
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 4: argument over the film. Yeah, well, and that was my fault.

882
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 4: I not my fault.

883
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: But we're going to hear your decision. Yeah, Lend went

884
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: to Purdue. Brian Cardinal is still playing for It's amazing.

885
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 3: Somebody's running man. Well, but here's the question. The story

886
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: seems to indicate you didn't give any film. Your version

887
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 3: of the story was you wouldn't give the extra game.

888
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: I don't remember the exact We're.

889
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: Gonna get to the bottom of that next week. I

890
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 3: got the daily Kent State's got a lot of stuff

891
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: on this. Oh this is good, this will save this

892
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: for sure. Anything else we're late, anything else that we

893
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: got to get to before we wrap up here or already.

894
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 4: I got to just say this one.

895
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 5: And I've talked about it before, but you know, I

896
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 5: used to coach at Kent State.

897
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 4: Yes, and it's a.

898
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 5: Great play, but you know, a year in and year out,

899
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 5: it seems like they're one of the worst programs in

900
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 5: the country. I mean, they just can't get turned around.

901
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 5: And I've talked about, well this year. This last week

902
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 5: they had to play the University of Oklahoma. Kent State

903
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 5: played in the University of Oklahoma. They got beat forty

904
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 5: four to nothing. That was the final third non conference

905
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 5: game they played this year. They also had to play

906
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 5: Texas Tech in Florida State. And what I'm saying is,

907
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 5: whoever that a d you know, why would he think

908
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 5: the program is going to get turned around? You know

909
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 5: for Kent State. And they even have the same number

910
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 5: of scholarships as those other schools. But you know what

911
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 5: they should make that ad put a helmet on and

912
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 5: go out there and play. And I guarantee if his

913
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 5: kid if he had a son was on the team,

914
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 5: he wouldn't schedule a team.

915
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 4: But that solves all.

916
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: His problems money.

917
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, that's a better non conference schedule

918
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: than Indiana and Minnesota put together. I mean, that's impressive

919
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: right there.

920
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

921
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: Last item.

922
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 3: Will you allow me as we wrap up to pay

923
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: you a compliment?

924
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 4: Please? Yes?

925
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: I miss you on the Big Ten network. I really do.

926
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: And you know you brought it up a couple of

927
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: year the story related to uh going to Purdue. You

928
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: were great on that network. It's still Look, it's it

929
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: is what it is. I understand they probably don't want

930
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: to spend the kind of money that they did before,

931
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 3: but you were you were good on it, and the

932
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: Big Ten network is poorer for not continuing to use you.

933
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate you saying that. Thank you.

934
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: Guards you anything else before we go, I'm just looking

935
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 3: you want to talk about how college sports has changed.

936
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: May nineteen eighty seven, KSU had football coach Glenn Mason

937
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: said compensating athletes six hundred dollars would be a good

938
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: idea because of the time they put into their sport.

939
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: Football is fun, but it's fun on Saturday it's hard work.

940
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: In between, they were trying to go ahead of your time.

941
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 3: They were trying to figure out how to give people

942
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: a little extra than the scholarship of twenty one and

943
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: ninety five dollars for fall semester at Kent State.

944
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 5: There you go, Hey, let me just say that I'd

945
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 5: like to give credit where credits do. Okay, okay, And

946
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 5: I don't remember he's noticed you ever. Ce Cincinnati's having

947
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 5: a good year. They must have a good football team.

948
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 5: They beat Iowa State, who was undefeated I believe, last week.

949
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 5: And then I wonder if the people down to Florida.

950
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 5: Now I know that that, you know, Florida beat Texas.

951
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 5: But everybody's getting ready to fire the coach down there.

952
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 5: The guy that he replaces, Dan mullins Uh is doing

953
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 5: a heck of a job at a UNLV. He's got

954
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 5: him rolling. So I'd like to give a little credit.

955
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: There's some good jobs being done out there.

956
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: That's very fair. Will we see you next week or

957
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: will you likely still be in Fargo? It's too early

958
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 3: to tell.

959
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: Play it by air.

960
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 4: I got a very busy skin.

961
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: We know that that's for sure.

962
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we miss you, guys, We miss you too,

963
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: so one way or another, we'll chat next week. Thank you,

964
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: Thank you, Mace in your face kind enough to join us.

965
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: Brought to you by our good friends at Jack's Cafe.

966
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: Always appreciate their loyalty to the program and to this

967
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: segment as well. Top five might be a mini version.

968
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 3: Kessler about five thirty, what are you got another non

969
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: blockbuster hockey? Our contract extension to chew On and the

970
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: Wild are going to start the season injured again.