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Speaker 2: The math don't yet add up.

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Speaker 1: They ain't quite there yet, but the Penguins can smell

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Brewing Company just off through twenty eight and Creighton,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking big, big, big, big screen TV.

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Speaker 2: Balance.

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Speaker 1: Scoring is what got the Penguins there, even more this

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Speaker 2: This is the Mark Maddon Show. You gotta love the Penguins.

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Speaker 1: Those two games big games, almost like playing games for

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Speaker 1: Penguins with a second big win in as many nights,

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Speaker 1: beating Detroit five to one at PPG Paints Arena.

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Speaker 2: It was dollar hot Dog Night again.

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Speaker 1: They're doing that a lot lately, and they sold a

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Speaker 1: Carlson, we've been offering the disclaimer that except for Sid

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Speaker 1: No points in these last two games, but Carlson every

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Speaker 1: But you look at the month of March, seventeen games.

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Speaker 1: They survived. They won a few more than they lost.

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Speaker 3: Good day, mister Madden.

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Speaker 1: I said, good day, Hey Mark.

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Speaker 4: I thought I'd make a quick comment on the Penguins,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the Penguins.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, okay, Well, hey, I couldn't agree with

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call. Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Crosby miss ten games and Marks Malcolm Is nine, Carlson

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Speaker 1: nine goals and fifteen assists in seventeen games. Penguins won

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Speaker 1: But they survived and Carlson was the catalyst for the survival.

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Speaker 5: of tired of seeing that. It used to be when

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Speaker 5: He got the gate for the game.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Mark, thanks had taken my call, right, Hey, So

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Speaker 2: I would not have been. Unfortunately, that makes him unaffordable

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Speaker 1: He's going to get, like we talked about yesterday, a

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Speaker 1: as well. These Penguins are far over achieving and to

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Speaker 1: nothing fluky about it, but we didn't expect it. Mike ruttenext.

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Speaker 1: One oh five to nine. So typically Pirates schemes got

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Speaker 1: Joining me, It's great to have him back from the

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Speaker 1: NHL network. It's Stanley Cup winner and former Penguin Mike

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Speaker 1: rup Rupper. How have the Penguin's risen up after three

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Speaker 3: What's up, Matt? You know what, It's been kind of

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Speaker 3: a wild watch from a distance here just watching this team.

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Speaker 3: They it's almost like they've just leaned into and I

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Speaker 3: leaning into who they are. Offensively, they've gotten quicker in

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Speaker 3: what they do well, they do really really well and

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Speaker 3: I find it to be fascinating and it's it's been

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Speaker 2: I agree with all that.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is they don't have the level of

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Speaker 2: I don't believe so in a in a playoff setting.

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Speaker 2: So what should the Penguins do in goal?

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Speaker 1: Because they allow way too many goals, They allow way

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Speaker 1: too many chances, and you play Skinner he was okay

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's that's been something

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Speaker 3: It's it's something league wide that's been a little bit

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Speaker 3: you can't ignore what Stuart Skinner has done at his

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if that would be the secret sauce.

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Speaker 1: I think the secret sauce might be the Penguins scoring

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike grow Up with the NHL Network

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Speaker 1: here on one oh five to nine the x Rupper.

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Speaker 1: Should Eric Carlson get Norris votes? I mean, he's not

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Speaker 1: he's the Penguins MVP this year. He took them on

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Speaker 3: He should be in the conversation.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe he should be in the finalist conversation.

433
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Speaker 3: But if you're going to extend and just for arguments sake,

434
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: we want to kick names around, he's certainly in that country. Well,

435
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: wherever the number is is a five, is at seven,

436
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: he's in that. I'd say he's in the top seven

437
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 3: for sure. And what he has done, it's it's kind

438
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Speaker 3: of it's my it's my modeling. This is Eric Carlson's

439
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: brought the clock back. I mean was watching the game

440
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Speaker 3: the other the other day against the Islanders, and I

441
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: was listening to Islander broadcast and Al Clutterbucks between the benches,

442
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 3: he's like, this is Eric Carlson I remember seeing eight

443
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 3: years ago. And he's like that the speed he just

444
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 3: kept saying, it's just saying, I haven't this is this

445
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 3: is crazy that he's been able to kind of dial

446
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 3: the clocks back like this. But you're always going to

447
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: talk about Sid and Gino deservingly so. But this year

448
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 3: for what Eric Carlson, you just nailed it and talk

449
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 3: about team MVP. That's why they can sustain. That's why

450
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 3: they have been able to sustain when you got Sit

451
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: out or you've got Gino out or whatever the circumstances,

452
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: because they're they're a three headed bonster. Now they've got

453
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Speaker 3: Eric Carlson, he's got to be used in the same

454
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Speaker 3: sentence of those two, the way he's playing this year.

455
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Speaker 2: But getting back to the depth ropper.

456
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: Between Monday and Tuesday and New York getting home against Detroit,

457
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: at one point the Penguins scored ten unanswered goals, which

458
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: was like you know, Mario Era type production, and Carlson,

459
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Speaker 1: Crosby and Gino had two assists between him. That was it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that's the that's a great part

461
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: about it. I mean, there was a devastating loss to

462
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 3: the Islanders the other night probably because of that as well.

463
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Speaker 3: And when you're talking about like just the way that

464
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: that game flipped in just because we've seen that world

465
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Speaker 3: before where Sid just takes over a game and it

466
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Speaker 3: said that two assists, I believe in the game and

467
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Speaker 3: he was he was good. He could have had a

468
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Speaker 3: few goals early on in the game against the Islanders.

469
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Speaker 3: And but it's the fact that there's other guys like

470
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Speaker 3: I will say, like I haven't seen a Penguins team

471
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: that you don't know who's gonna step up, but somebody

472
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: seemingly will. I think over the years, we've kind of

473
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 3: had a pretty good idea if they're going to come

474
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 3: back in the game or make some sort of run.

475
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: We knew what it was going to look like. I

476
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: don't think you know what it's gonna look like now.

477
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: And that's that's the part that is it's a scary

478
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: thing to confront if you're another team playing the Penguins

479
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: right now or playing them in the playoffs. It's coming

480
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Speaker 3: from everywhere.

481
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Speaker 2: How has Dan Muse made a difference the first year coach.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. I'll say this is from my experience,

483
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: and you know, I don't know Dan News at all.

484
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: Talk to people about him. I mean I talked to

485
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Speaker 3: Peter Laviolette, who kind of.

486
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: Came up with him.

487
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Speaker 3: He is the one to give his first opportunity down

488
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: there in Nashville and just kind of rented and raised

489
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Speaker 3: about his preparation all those things that we've heard, just

490
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: how passionate he is. He's a I mean, he's always

491
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 3: been revered as a p K kind of genius in

492
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Speaker 3: the way that he can run a p K. And

493
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Speaker 3: the only thing I could point to is that depth

494
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: that we're talking about. Those things don't just happen. I mean,

495
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Speaker 3: it's coming from a guy who is solely a depth

496
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: role in my career. You have to be put in

497
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: positions to succeed. There's no other ifans or butts. You're

498
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: not going to succeed unless you're put in positions to

499
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: do that. And with all those players having great seasons,

500
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: the depth players, that's because of sure that the team

501
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 3: and the players certainly help out. But if you a

502
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: coach's job, it's not just to make sure your star

503
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: players are playing well. It's making sure that the depth

504
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: guys had some equity in the group, that they believe

505
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: in themselves and believe that they matter. And that may

506
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: sound soft, like, oh, we have to pay pay attention

507
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 3: to remote, No, it matters. Like you know, my favorite

508
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: years of playing we're in Pittsburgh. Dan Bielesma made me

509
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: feel like I mattered on a depth role, and I

510
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: was able to have career years there because of it.

511
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: So that's what I see from a business dan news

512
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: and that coaching staff has guys contributing because they all

513
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: have special roles and they understand that they.

514
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Speaker 5: Could be a difference in the game.

515
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 3: It's not they're not. They're not filing shifts in order

516
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: to get eighty seven and seventy one back out there.

517
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: Like there's been years where I think that that's been

518
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: the case. Yep, that's not the case right now, and

519
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: I give a credit to this coaching staff.

520
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: Finally, Rupper, who's the best team in the Eastern Conference?

521
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: Because honestly, I changed my mind every couple of days.

522
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always I'm always heavy on Tampa. I still

523
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: feel like, probably because of the last few years, they're

524
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: one of the best teams defensively and offensively, and that's

525
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: not even really getting into who they have and the

526
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: experiences that they have on their team. So they're the

527
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Speaker 3: one for me. I'm not a huge believer in Carolina

528
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. I think they're a team that there's

529
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Speaker 3: no surprise at where they're at, and they're very good

530
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: hockey club. They're very business like in regards to their

531
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: game looks pretty similar from night to night. But I

532
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: mean that East, we said it all year, it's wide open.

533
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: I would say the team that is the best is Tampa.

534
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: That's what makes it really intriguing because three Rhretically, I

535
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: think Penguins, you get in there and you get healthy first,

536
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: and you get into that playoffs, it's like you can

537
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: go on to run, you can want to run. It

538
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: doesn't mean in the playoffs are funny, because the biggest

539
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: thing I always remember as a player was just get

540
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: past round one. Just crazy, squirrely things happen in round one.

541
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: But then crazy and squirrely things happen if you get

542
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: out of it. Do you all of a sudden start

543
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: getting this confident and that we start seeing some special

544
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: runs where you just thinks teams take it to another level.

545
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: So Tampa, I think it is the best team, but

546
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: there's an opportunity.

547
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 5: Here in the East.

548
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Speaker 1: Rupper is always great stuff. Good to connect again. We'll

549
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: see you soon, I hope awesome.

550
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: Enjoy buddy.

551
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: That's Mike Crop, ex Penguin. He's with the NHL Network.

552
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Speaker 1: UH. The first hour of the program brought to you

553
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Speaker 1: by Senderovi and send Rovich and Fisherman.

554
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: They got your back, not your wallet. Up next, what

555
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Speaker 2: do I thought for the trifecta? Tom leaving behind drive?

556
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Speaker 1: Oh? Here it is top three Penguin goal scoring surprises,

557
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: and there's really a lot to pick from one oh

558
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: five to nine. Now it's tough for the trifecta brought

559
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Speaker 1: to us by Danny's Petz and Hogies. That's on Route

560
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Speaker 1: eighty eight and Bethel Park. Today's trifecta, the top three

561
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Speaker 1: Penguin goal scoring surprises. Number three Brazo at seventeen, I

562
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Speaker 1: thought he'd get like ten, Number two do Or at fourteen,

563
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: I thought he'd get five. Maybe the number one duh

564
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: Mantha at thirty, I thought he'd get fifteen tops, and

565
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: maybe not even that. The scoring depth, that's what has

566
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: the Penguins where they're at. For years, it's been about

567
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: star power, and certainly there's still a big element of that,

568
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: but scoring depth, that's what has the Penguins on the

569
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: verge of being back in the playoffs. Eight three three

570
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: four one two wxdx. That's eight three three four one

571
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: two wxdx. And when you talk about the depth of

572
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: the Penguins and not just the goals it's it's Doers

573
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: plus fourteen a chari is plus twelve.

574
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: And I know that stat doesn't mean everything, but it

575
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: doesn't mean nothing.

576
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: That adds up to a dominant fourth line, at least

577
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: as effective as a fourth line can be. It's cliche

578
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: to say, too, but there really is a belief among

579
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: the group, and it was there from the beginning. I

580
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: believe that this team is capable of doing very good things,

581
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: and it's been there through the Geno suspension, through the

582
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: Sid injury, through the Geno injury, through the blown leads

583
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: late and I don't know why that's different this year,

584
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: but it is.

585
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

586
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: Maybe the Penguins need to get a traffic cone. That

587
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: would be the final step toward really hitting the heights.

588
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: Eight three to three, four one two WSDX Pirates up

589
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: four to three, bottom of the eighth at Cincinnati.

590
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 4: Uh.

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00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about this at length later, But the Pirates, well,

592
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: any sports team really, but I think the Pirates have

593
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: made a specialty of it can be really petty. I'm

594
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: told they told Connor Griffin that if he signed the

595
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: long term deal that they're trying to push on him

596
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: if he signed it before the season. He would have

597
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: started the year in Pittsburgh, but he didn't, so he

598
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: went to Triple A. Now, uh, even Buster only is

599
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: saying that deal is a legitimate possibility. You're hearing eight years,

600
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten and eleven mils something like that.

601
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't understand why he'd do it. That's

602
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: a lot of money to have guaranteed when you're nineteen

603
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: years old, But Skeens didn't do it. The great players

604
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: trust in their ability to get the free agency and

605
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: before that arbitration for that matter, and have performed to

606
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Speaker 1: the level where you're gonna get giant money, even more

607
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: giant than eight years, one hundred and eleven million. That said,

608
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: that would only carry Griffin to when he's twenty seven,

609
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: so he could get another monster deal if he fulfills

610
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: his promise. But that said, why would you want to

611
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: stick that long with a losing organization? And that's why

612
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: Skens ain't signed long term and never even considered. He

613
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: wants to get someplace else and win, and I bet

614
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: his significant other wants to get to New York or

615
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: LA and be even a bigger star. But that said, hope,

616
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Speaker 1: I hope they signed Griffin. I'm not anti powerates a

617
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: lot of you people think I am. I just want

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00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: them to gain my trust again, because that trust has

619
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: been broken with me, and I think a lot of

620
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: fans my and even some younger it's been broken for decades.

621
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: Whereas a lot of you young people you just want

622
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: to get your merch and get your corn dog and

623
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: and say this guy or that guy's your favorite player,

624
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: and you think they can win and ignore it when

625
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: they don't. That's the thing about crews who hit a

626
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: home run today hit two yesterday. I'd understand this constant

627
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: belief in him by the citistry when he's let you

628
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: down a lot more than he's come through, even to

629
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Speaker 1: this point at twenty seven, I had a few other

630
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: ideas for the trifecta today. By the way, I was

631
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: gonna go with famous elmers in honor of the Penguins,

632
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: Elmer Soderblum.

633
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: But I mean, here's the elmers.

634
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: I came up with Elmer Fudd, Elmer Desson's, Elmer's Glue.

635
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: That's not a real impressive list.

636
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: And then I was going to come up with, well,

637
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: remember when Tiger Woods was the holder of all four

638
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: major titles at the same time, you know, the Mass,

639
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: the PGA, US Open, British Open. He held them all

640
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: at the same time, but not in the same year.

641
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: They called it the Tiger Slam. Right well, I was

642
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: going to change the trifecta, the quadrifecta, whatever, four of them,

643
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: because I got the new Tiger Slam oxy percocet, hydro

644
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: codone and vicotin Tiger Slam.

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00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah one, Hello everybody, how we're going