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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I got very little problem with the Steelers offense. Rogers

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Speaker 1: is efficient, even if he has been made into a

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Speaker 1: game manager.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers were stupid to abandon the.

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Speaker 1: Run in the second quarter against Green Bay, not least

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Speaker 1: when they led the game going into the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: Metcalf has been disappointing with the drops, but not horrible.

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Speaker 1: The tight ends have been deployed in fashion both confusing

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Speaker 1: and haphazard, but the offense is merely annoying and not

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Speaker 1: even that all the time. The defense is Hiroshima dipped

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Speaker 1: in the Chicago fire. My suggestion for the defense would

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Speaker 1: be Ramsey had safety with Elliott out, a veteran had

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Speaker 1: to try and settle things. Echoes, Porter and Pierre as

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Speaker 1: the three corners including slot don't play slagh and past that.

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Speaker 1: What options do you got? I want unmove wat around?

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Speaker 1: But what doesn't want to? What would rather suck on

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Speaker 1: his own terms?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: It don't sound like.

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Speaker 1: Nothing's gonna change on defense with the play calling. Somebody

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Speaker 1: asked Tom Win today if he would usurp those duties

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Speaker 1: from Terrell Austin and Tom Win said that's not on

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Speaker 1: the table. Tomlin calls the defense now Austin is his

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Speaker 1: bulletproof shield, his security blanket, his building scapegoats And even

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Speaker 1: if ciamal who can't play, I'd keep using the jumbo

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Speaker 1: package on offense. Matt Williamson says, you can't. I see

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Speaker 1: him all lose out. But Spencer Anderson at guard in

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Speaker 1: place to see themalo doesn't mean you can't use Calvin

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Speaker 1: Anderson as the extra lineman. Part of me hates that package,

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Speaker 1: like I've talked about it's prehistoric, but part of me

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Speaker 1: thinks it's part of what little identity the Steelers have.

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Speaker 1: Let's talking out of Tommy Radio. Tom what fixes would

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Speaker 1: you make on defense? I feel like things are okay

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Speaker 1: on offense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really don't think there's much you have to

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Speaker 4: do to the offensive side of the ball. I just

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Speaker 4: don't know what you can do to the defensive side

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Speaker 4: of the ball. We talked about yesterday, like their biggest

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Speaker 4: problem is they're just old. Like how do you make

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Speaker 4: a bunch of old guys not be old anymore?

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Speaker 1: You can't fix old. I'm offense on tweak. I'd go

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Speaker 1: deep a little more. I'd throw in the middle a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. I'd throw a DK a lot more.

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Speaker 1: I would get how I use the tight ends more

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Speaker 1: patterned and regimented. I don't think there's any rhyme nor

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Speaker 1: reason despite having all those tight ends on the field

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Speaker 2: Who's the most frustrating player on defense?

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Speaker 4: I like scapegoating the most frustrating player on the defensive

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Speaker 4: side of the ball. It actually might have to be

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Speaker 4: Joey Porter Junior for me.

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Speaker 1: Bingo, that's what I say too, that's my most frustrating

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Speaker 1: player because he's twenty five and isn't improving. Yes, he

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Speaker 1: knew the old guys could recede, just maybe not all

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Speaker 1: at once. But I expected Porter to get better and

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Speaker 1: I still have faith in the kid. But he has

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Speaker 4: No, it's actually starting to trend towards being a big disappointment.

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Speaker 4: Not to say that he's a bad player in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: but not the player that he was billed to be

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Speaker 4: and the player that the Steelers needed him to be,

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Speaker 4: especially this year, like he needed to become what Ramsey

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Speaker 2: Said, he's the only guy they trust in pressman coverage.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the only one that can play it adequately,

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Speaker 4: but he needs to play it at an elite level

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you blame him or do you blame

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Speaker 1: the developmental because they've never done well with drafting and

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Speaker 4: No, I think that's very fair to say. Under Mike

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Speaker 4: Tomlin that has been a problem for them, So you

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Speaker 4: if the developmental wasn't where it should be with the Steelers,

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Speaker 4: more so than he is now.

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Speaker 2: I'll be blunt.

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Speaker 1: I think almost any young talented player would be better

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Speaker 1: about my idea of Ramsey. It's safety, which he's not

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Speaker 1: often done before, but I feel like he's got the

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Speaker 1: And I might even keep that going after Elliott returns. No,

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Speaker 4: That looked like a year ending injury. But I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: hate if he does, say, come back, having Elliot and

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Speaker 4: Ramsey be the primary safeties and just putting Echols in

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Speaker 4: the slot role. I still think Ramsey's okay in the slot,

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Speaker 4: but you're right, there's just such a desperation for a

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Speaker 4: safety right now, you might as well roll the dice

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Speaker 4: and put Ramse either. That's one of the few things

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Speaker 4: you can actually try to change up and maybe it

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: It's one of very few moves you can even yeah,

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Speaker 1: think about it. Now, what about my idea of retaining

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Speaker 1: the jumbo package of Cemali can't play with Calvin Anderson

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Speaker 2: I mean that guy don't have to be a Pro bowl.

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Speaker 4: Er, No, he just needs to be big how hard

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Speaker 4: can it really be. I mean, you're always double teaming.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you're even triple teaming with Mount Washington, so it's

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Speaker 4: like you're the helper. It can't be that hard. I

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Speaker 4: would really hate to see them abandon that completely, especially

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Speaker 4: because you're seeing it help in the running game, and

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Speaker 4: I wonder if that's what got them away from running

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Speaker 4: the ball in Green Bay. A little bit too, is

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Speaker 4: whenever Spencer Anderson had to usurp duties for Isaac Cmalu

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Speaker 4: because they were running on the number one rushing defense

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Speaker 4: in football really well in the first half of that game,

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Speaker 4: and then he just stopped Toll.

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Speaker 1: Never mind that crap I just got a text River

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Speaker 1: Hints at home for the playoff Saturday night Prime Ribbon

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Speaker 1: the Owner's box, Tuffy Shallenberger coming through big.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait. No, I mean, I just.

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Speaker 1: Don't see any reason to not maintain the jumbo package, because,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I you know how I've railed against it,

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Speaker 1: but it is part of what little identity they had.

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Speaker 1: I wish, you know, Rogers the Metcalf was more of

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Speaker 1: the identity. I wish they hadn't abandoned the run in

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Speaker 1: the second half against Green Bay, there by denying what

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Speaker 1: they want their identity to be.

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Speaker 2: But I would stick with the jumbo package.

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Speaker 1: Here's something somebody said, I forget who in the media,

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Speaker 1: but it peauked my interest. Are the Steelers like Cincinnati now?

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Speaker 1: Does their offense have to be better on a given

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Speaker 1: night than their defense is bad?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's trending into that direction. It's funny for Mike

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Speaker 4: Tomlin to get to the microphone today and put his

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Speaker 4: offense in the crosshairs right away once again, because if

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Speaker 4: he wants money, but not surprised, but if he wants,

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Speaker 4: to your point what you just said there, if he

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Speaker 4: wants his precious nine to eight record to continue, it's

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Speaker 4: on the offense this year, buddy, Like, the offense is

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Speaker 4: going to have to carry that load because the defense

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Speaker 4: is not an above five under defense.

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Speaker 1: Everybody bleeds about what a great code, which the guy is.

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Speaker 1: How about Vegas has never waired off, making Baltimore the

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Speaker 1: betting favorite to win the AFC.

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Speaker 4: I think it was briefly right, like there was a

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Speaker 2: I think there might have been one where they were

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Speaker 2: like pick them between the.

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Speaker 4: Two right before the Bengals game. I think the Steelers

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Speaker 4: edged past them slightly, and then the Ravens took back over.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna, like I said yesterday, six and six is

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Speaker 4: what the records are gonna be when they meet in

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Speaker 4: December seventh.

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Speaker 1: Well, a lot of shows like this one spend a

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Speaker 1: lot of time giving gambling advice. Here's my advice to

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Speaker 1: gamblers out there. Bet it all on Baltimore to win

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Speaker 1: the division because Tom Win is full of crap. Then again,

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Speaker 1: John Hardbloss pretty full of crap too, will.

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Speaker 4: See you October.

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Speaker 1: People are freaking out over it's the Mark Many show.

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Speaker 2: A quick world series.

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Speaker 1: Note the Dodgers won in eighteen innings last night and

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Speaker 1: take a two games to one lead. Freddie Freeman hit

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Speaker 1: a walk off home run. To me, the talking point

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Speaker 1: is Otani hit two home runs last night and then

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Speaker 1: got walked his last five plate appearances, four times intentionally.

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Speaker 1: And if I managed against Otani, I would walk him

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Speaker 1: every single time, even with the bases empty. Probably not

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Speaker 1: And that's the paradox of sports, because you want to

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Speaker 1: exactly what the fans don't want to see.

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Speaker 2: Otawni's like in a Bonds level.

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Speaker 1: Now in terms of the fear factor, just gonna be

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Speaker 1: walk walk walk walk walk occasionally, you know. In I

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Speaker 1: mean in the regular season it's different. But now, boy,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I would walk him every time pretty

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Speaker 1: much the rest of the World Series, and now he

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Speaker 1: pitches tonight.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what the guy. The guy's got charisma and

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Speaker 2: that legend.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's Babe Ruth, but I think he's

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Speaker 1: not too far from.

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Speaker 2: The big worry for.

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Speaker 1: This coming Sunday with the Steelers is not just losing,

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Speaker 1: but what if Indy just kills the Steelers beats him

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Speaker 1: like forty to ten to hang a third straight loss

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Speaker 2: That could easily happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't see Indie score less than thirty, that's for sure,

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Speaker 1: because the Steelers are a team with shaky confidence obviously,

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Speaker 1: and if it goes bad early, I could see excrement

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Speaker 1: very quickly flowing. Don Hill, I just think the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about what they need to do,

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Speaker 1: I think they just are what they are. I did

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Speaker 1: the game by game thing for the rest of the schedule,

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Speaker 1: and I have him going four and six or five

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Speaker 1: and five the rest of the way, which would finish

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Speaker 1: it eight to nine or nine. At eight there was

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Speaker 1: a report that Steelers were signing the wide out, the

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Speaker 1: guy who played with Rogers at Green Bay, Marquez Valdez Scantling,

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Speaker 1: that he had worked out yesterday, but Tomlin kind of

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Speaker 1: sidestepped that today and said they were working on safeties

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Speaker 1: today too. Bums eye honestly never heard of, and Jerry

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Speaker 1: Dulac tweeted, it doesn't look like the Steelers will be

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Speaker 1: signing a wide receiver this week.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk to Tommy Radio.

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Speaker 4: Tom.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even mention.

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Speaker 1: The potential acquisition of Valdez Scantling in the opening segment

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Speaker 1: Now, I know the Colts have more than one best weapon,

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying is what you gonna do, brother,

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Speaker 2: What if TJ.

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Speaker 1: Tom what's your take on my take on what? How

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Speaker 2: But I'm not sure what inning it was. I think

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Speaker 2: I made the fourteenth What was that?

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Speaker 1: What was the inning when Kershaw came in and they

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Speaker 1: made the play where the second baseman flipped the ball

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Speaker 1: with his glove to the first baseman to end the inning.

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Speaker 4: I was there for that. That was like the eleventh.

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Speaker 2: I was asleep an inning after that.

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Speaker 1: Rather turned off the TV because it just I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't care that much about that.

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Speaker 4: I thought Kershaw was gonna blow it too. I thought

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Speaker 4: they were just gonna pound it.

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Speaker 2: But he's like the very bottom guy in their rotation.

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Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, I mean I don't even think he's in

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Speaker 4: the rotation when it comes to the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean in terms of the bullpits, like he's

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Speaker 1: the guy you don't really want to pitch.

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Speaker 4: Well and to that point, Mark, I know you turned

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Speaker 4: it off after, but like he pitched against one batter

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Speaker 4: in that instance to get out of that jam, and

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Speaker 4: then they put another pitcher in after It's like, okay,

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Speaker 4: this is extra innings in the World Series. Kershaw should

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Speaker 4: go a couple more innings. But they don't trust them, well.

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Speaker 1: Especially because you know as a star that kind of

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Speaker 1: mentality and you know arm but but yeah, but but

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Speaker 1: they won.

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Speaker 2: So would you do what I suggested? Walk O Tawni

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Speaker 2: every time I.

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Speaker 4: Think you have to. I'm surprised they even pitched him

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Speaker 4: in that you know five four situation where he hit

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Speaker 4: the game tying home run. There's an open base that

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Speaker 4: was the lead off the inning, and they fall into

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Speaker 4: that cliche, right, like a lead off walk is poison.

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Speaker 2: Well, don't put the winning run at the plate.

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Speaker 4: Right like, well, okay, Otwani is a different story. Like

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Speaker 4: you said earlier, he's in Bond's territory almost where he

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Speaker 4: has that fear factor.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge has that too, except not in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the difference. Like Otani's doing it.

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Speaker 1: You had a decent playoffers as long as they lasted,

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Speaker 1: which wasn't too long.

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Speaker 4: He hit for average, but not enough power. Judge needs

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Speaker 4: to hit for power. That's what Otani's doing. He says,

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Speaker 4: like seven home runs already.

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Speaker 2: You know what I had forgotten.

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Speaker 1: You don't throw the four balls wide on the intentional

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Speaker 1: walk anymore.

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Speaker 4: You just put up four fingers, right, yeah, and then

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Speaker 4: they just go first.

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Speaker 2: Why do they do that? Did not waste time?

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Speaker 4: Exactly? Speed it up?

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Speaker 2: I would.

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Speaker 1: I would like to think it's because they want to

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Speaker 1: conserve the pitcher's arm because of the ridiculousness of him

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Speaker 1: just lobbing the ball and being in any way stressful

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Speaker 1: on the right.

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Speaker 4: You miss that the charm of that if having to

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Speaker 4: lob them in.

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Speaker 1: No, I think anything that could be done to shortened

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Speaker 1: baseball games I'm in favor of. I gotta be honest,

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Speaker 1: and this is blasphemy, even in even in playoff games.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't use the ghost runner in the tenth or

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Speaker 1: the eleventh, or the twelfth. After the twelfth, I.

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Speaker 4: Might, I would think about it too. Eighteen is just

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Speaker 4: way too much. That game was just brutal. O.

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Speaker 1: What Greenee said today on Get Up, if it happens

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Speaker 1: once every like you know, fifteen years or whatever, you

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Speaker 1: got to live with it.

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Speaker 2: And he's probably.

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Speaker 4: Right, probably, but it also kind of again this feeds

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Speaker 4: into what Greene was saying. It doesn't happen often, but

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Speaker 4: it kind of ruins tonight's game a little bit, right,

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Speaker 4: Like this game is there gonna be a slog out there?

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Speaker 4: Both of those teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the bullpens are dested. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: does that mean no, tawny pitch is deeper? I got it.

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Speaker 1: I think that they'll just I don't think think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be long time before he's not pitching at all.

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Speaker 1: Don't you agree? Given his day it was a hitter.

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Speaker 1: I do agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I think he's only got to come.

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Speaker 2: He wants to let him, true, but.

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Speaker 4: I think he's only got a couple of years of

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Speaker 4: really being allowed to pitch and be a part of

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Speaker 4: that rotation. They like to only use him about five

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Speaker 4: or six innings, like that's the usual plan for Otani.

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Speaker 4: But this is the World Series. I wonder if they're

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Speaker 4: just like, dude, go pitch one hundred and twenty pitches Otani? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: why not? World Series? Mark?

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Speaker 1: Last game of the year. Brent, he's the one very good.

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Speaker 1: He's the one guy I wouldn't do that with. There's

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Speaker 1: just too much to be I mean, what if he

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Speaker 1: hurt his arm pitching Hill, we couldn't hit.

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Speaker 4: Then you have Freddy Freeman, who's honestly just as good,

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Speaker 4: not just as good. I'm sorry he said that. I'm

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Speaker 4: sorry I even said that. That was blasphemous. But he's

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Speaker 4: so damn good and I love him so much, and

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Speaker 4: he looks like Buzz from home alone. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: You know what was interesting about because I saw all

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Speaker 1: the highlights this morning on Get Up. How many near

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Speaker 1: home runs the Dodgers had an extra innings before finally

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Speaker 1: the walk finally getting the walk up? There were like

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Speaker 1: three times, including one by Freeman.

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Speaker 2: I know with what's that t Oscar's.

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Speaker 4: Name, t Oscar Hernandez.

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Speaker 2: He nearly went deep and it was one. I think

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Speaker 2: Otan no Atani got walked.

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Speaker 4: Alludn't get you if there.

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Speaker 2: Were three near misses maybe Freeman twice.

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Speaker 1: Three near misses for homes and extras for walkoffs for

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. And then when Freeman hit the winner, the

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Speaker 1: crowd s sort of and the announcers too, they know.

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Speaker 2: Sold for a minute because the other ones hadn't gone.

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Speaker 4: Out right exactly. They had their doubts. But that's the

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Speaker 4: second walk off home run Freeman's hit in a World Series.

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Speaker 4: He did it last year too, So I mean he's

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Speaker 4: going to the Hall of Fame. He's got an outside

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Speaker 4: shot at being a three thousand hit player as well

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Speaker 4: in his career if he can have some more long genuay.

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Speaker 2: Nobody nobody does that.

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Speaker 4: I know, he's still got like four or five years.

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Speaker 4: He'd probably have to play at a decent level. But

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Speaker 4: he's still really good. He's their second best player. He's

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Speaker 4: better than Mookie Bets right now, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Well, Mookie's faded. That was a great trade by Boston.

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Speaker 1: Whether people want to crucify them for the few good

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Speaker 1: years that they lost with Mookie. Like the contract the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers signed signed Bets to. And don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: it's play money to them, especially with them deferring everything

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Speaker 1: but in their in their TV, the local TV contract.

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Speaker 2: But Boston made the right deal.

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Speaker 1: They the Dodgers signed bets tobook contract were three quarters

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 2: He will underachieve his pay rate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the thing about the Dodgers is just they

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Speaker 4: have now been able to position him to be their

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Speaker 4: third or fourth most important player in the lineup. Like

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Speaker 4: that sinks every other team. You push all your chips

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Speaker 4: in on Mookie Bets and he starts to fade like this,

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Speaker 4: But the Dodgers are like, Okay, we'll just shifting to

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Speaker 4: be in our fifth piece.

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Speaker 1: Well, screw Freddy Freeman, Tom because only one walk off

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Speaker 1: home run in the World Series counts, and it was

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Speaker 1: Bill Mazerowski's one O five nine X.

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Speaker 3: Tonight's the Penn's face off against the Flyers. Game time

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Speaker 3: is six. Our coverage starts at five. Listen to every

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Speaker 3: game and the best Pens coverage on your home in

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Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Penguins one O five nine d X.

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Speaker 4: Fred It's the Mark mannon Free Game Show on one

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Speaker 4: O five nine d X.

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Speaker 1: Time now for the Trifecta with Tommy Radio, brought to

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Speaker 1: us by Danny's Pizzer and Hogies, which is awesome on

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Speaker 1: Root eighty eight and Bethel Park.

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Speaker 4: Tom what do you got for today's triffecta? Mark, I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna go with three fictional kickers from movies because I

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Speaker 4: loved your take yesterday. Boswell's almost too good for the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Own good that they lay up too much because Boswell's

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Speaker 4: gonna make a fifty yarder every time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they know it's too automatic.

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Speaker 1: They just there were a couple fourth downs in the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay game where I think they should have could

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Speaker 1: have gone for it. But just yes, figure Well bos

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Speaker 1: is definite, so let's just kick it.

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Speaker 4: Number three on this trifecta, I'm gonna go with Kathy

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Speaker 4: Ireland's lucy character and necessary roughness. I mean, what a

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Speaker 4: hot ass kicker.

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Speaker 2: First of all, welcome to foot ball.

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Speaker 4: How about Scott Bakula's form when he holds two. You know,

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Speaker 4: usually you just put the one arm up to catch

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Speaker 4: the snap. He goes with both arms. That's a very odd,

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Speaker 4: very odd. I like it, though. Number two has got

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Speaker 4: to be the kicker in the water Boy. I don't

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Speaker 4: even know what his name is, but he's just the best,

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Speaker 4: especially when he's doing the on side kick and he's

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Speaker 4: searching for his bitch. Oh yeah, there he is.

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Speaker 2: Bang.

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Speaker 4: It's great.

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Speaker 1: And and uh visualized what was what did coach clients say?

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Speaker 2: Visualized?

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Speaker 4: Visualize your attack and visualized.

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Speaker 2: And attack, visualized and attack? Yeah he uh?

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Speaker 1: He imagined that the ball had like a clans again,

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Speaker 1: and he kicked it about fifty five yards right right.

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Speaker 2: He shared his helmet with the water Boys, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The number one kicker though, is obviously Nigel Groth in

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Speaker 4: the replacements, no question. I think he's smoking on the field.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Madden and some are all were great, good, especially

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Speaker 1: because Summer All has no sense of humor. Is he dead?

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Speaker 1: Yea yeah, well yeah, but Madden was funny and some

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Speaker 1: were all. Wasn't that made them?

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Speaker 2: I thought?

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Speaker 1: A really good odd couple of broadcasting. Here here's the

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Speaker 1: one you wrote. Remember in the movie Semi Tough, which

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Speaker 1: was based on one of the great football novels ever,

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Speaker 1: the best football novel ever by Dan Jenkins, who was

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Speaker 1: a sports writer. He wrote a sequel called Life its

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Speaker 1: Own Self, which was great as well. Now Semi Tough

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Speaker 1: to movie with Chris Christophers and Burt Reynolds played the leads,

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Speaker 1: and it want no good like like Brian Denner. Brian

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Speaker 1: Denney was in a two Now it wasn't as good

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Speaker 1: as the book as probably the first way to put it.

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Speaker 2: But they had a fourth kicker and didn't speak a

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Speaker 2: word of English.

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Speaker 1: And in the Super Bowl their team they were Dallas,

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Speaker 1: I think they were down and there was a fourth

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Speaker 1: down and the kicker on his own.

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Speaker 2: Like wave back.

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Speaker 1: The punting team went out and kicked like a sixty

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Speaker 1: five yard field goal to get them back in the game.

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Speaker 1: And like the coaches are arguing about what to do,

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Speaker 1: want to play, And also Burt Reynolds comes over since

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Speaker 1: it goes what's he doing out there?

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Speaker 2: It just just blasts the ball and then.

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Speaker 1: Afterwards he like just shakes the referee's hand and walks off.

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Speaker 1: Then at the wedding between Chris Christofferson and the team

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Speaker 1: owner's daughter. This fight breaks out because she decides that

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Speaker 1: the last minute to not get married, so everybody fights everybody,

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Speaker 1: and he just goes up to one of the bride'smaids

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Speaker 1: and rips are dressed down and grabs her, which I

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Speaker 1: guess that it's funny, but it's not the sort of

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Speaker 1: behavior I had. But kid death for sure. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know his name, though I think your three kickers

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Speaker 1: all rank ahead. I'm just you know, getting him in the.

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Speaker 4: Conversation now, I have to be honest. There was a

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Speaker 4: kicker on here or that I left off that I

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Speaker 4: might have put on. I'm just not sure. You're a

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Speaker 4: fan of the movie Ray Finkel out of Ace Ventcher

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Speaker 4: a pet detective Jim Carrey.

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Speaker 1: I am not a big fan of yees. The only

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Speaker 1: Jim Carrey movie I truly love is The Cable Guy.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's a classic.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's maybe the best dark comedy ever.

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Speaker 4: High praise.

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Speaker 1: I love And you know the movie was written for

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Speaker 1: and who was supposed to be the lead, Chris.

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Speaker 4: Farley as Jim Carrey's character or as Jim Cay. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I could not see that happening. Chris Harley was great.

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Speaker 4: He was also supposed to be Shrek, and then they

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Speaker 4: had to pivot and make that Mike Myers, the famous animation.

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Speaker 2: Is a Farley pass.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but see, I'm not sure if the Cable Guy

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Speaker 1: was because disaster, because he turned it down.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if the exact time frame. I know

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Speaker 2: the part was written for him though.

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Speaker 4: But Ray Finkel is a great kicker. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 4: seen parts of the movie. Finkel as Einhorn, ein Heern,

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Speaker 4: his Finkle.

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Speaker 2: It's great. I just don't like I don't like the

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Speaker 2: mask either. I don't like the ace of been tour movies.

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Speaker 4: Truman Show, I bet you love the Tree. That's just

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Speaker 4: a good movie, like Chris Rock said.

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Speaker 2: He said.

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Speaker 1: Jim Carrey getting all kind of critical praise for The

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Speaker 1: Trubman Show, he goes. Anybody could have played the Truman guy,

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Speaker 1: he goes, only one Mfort could play the guy in

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Speaker 1: Dumb and Dumber.

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Speaker 4: That's actually a great point. That's probably his crown achievement

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Speaker 4: as a comedy, right, Dumb and Dumber. I think it

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Speaker 4: would have to be.

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Speaker 2: Soil like Cable Guy better.

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Speaker 1: And I also think that carry took a slight bit

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Speaker 1: of edge off Dumb and Dumber because the sequel was

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Speaker 1: so bad.

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Speaker 4: Was bad Dumb and Dumber? Though it was more ef I'm.

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Speaker 2: Wrong, Dumb and Dumber two.

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Speaker 1: Was that the start of the trend to make sequels

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Speaker 1: decades later?

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Speaker 4: I'd have been the first time that happened. No, I

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Speaker 4: don't think so. I don't know if we can pinpoint

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Speaker 4: it and pin that all on Dumb and Dumber two.

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Speaker 4: But it was such a problem, well, that movie was

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Speaker 4: so bad at like to blame it for what? Right

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Speaker 4: Dumb and Dumber. I view that a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a different light than The Cable Guy, because, like he said,

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Speaker 4: the Cable Guy's that dark comedy, Like it gets really

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Speaker 4: dark at times. Remember the part where he's talking on

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Speaker 4: the phone and the spider just crawls across his face.

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Speaker 4: Like it's very creepy at points.

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Speaker 1: I like the scene when Matthew Broderick realizes that Jim

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Speaker 1: Carrey set him up with a prostitute.

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Speaker 4: When he like busts open the door and takes the

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Speaker 4: pictures at the party right.

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Speaker 2: Right, and then they're having breakfast the next day and

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Speaker 2: he goes, oh, my treat.

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Speaker 1: He goes, what do you mean kind of blackmails? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I paid this time, you pay next time. No, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't then at the time, but like, like you mean

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Speaker 1: she was a prostitute. He goes, I don't know any

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Speaker 1: women to one hang out with guys like that's we're

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Speaker 1: not getting paid.

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Speaker 2: Matthew brought to get out of my house.

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Speaker 4: That's another Broderick was so key to that, Like he

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Speaker 4: was just the perfect straight man who was abused by

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Speaker 4: this guy the entire time.

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Speaker 1: I think Matthew brought it because it could be the actor.

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Speaker 1: Although you know what, it's incredibly overrated movie Ferris Bueller.

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Speaker 4: I love Ferris Bueller, you know, such a good coming

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Speaker 4: of age. You love coming of age movie?

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Speaker 1: I do, But but I didn't like that Ferris Bueller

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Speaker 1: screwed what.

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Speaker 4: Was Alan Lamb?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: His buddy, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Him, just you know, I mean, And they made it

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Speaker 1: seem like a good thing because now he has to

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Speaker 1: face his dad and confront life.

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Speaker 2: No, you wrecked his dad's car. There's no way his

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Speaker 2: dad shouldn't kill him.

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Speaker 4: Did you see how loaded Cam was in that movie?

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Speaker 4: That family? You just shut up and wait for that

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Speaker 4: inheritance check to hit buddy, all right, whatever, Dad says

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Speaker 4: a okay, sir.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it was great in his cameo, Charlie.

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Speaker 4: Sheen, Oh of course at the police station.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tremendous. Jennifer Gray was good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dirty dancing, Yeah, I thought.

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Speaker 1: I thought the worst thing about the movie was Matthew Broderick.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting because he really killed it. And I love

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Speaker 4: how they break the fourth wall, one of the earlier

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Speaker 4: movies to do that. Like he's talking to you almost

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Speaker 4: the entire movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't.

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Speaker 1: Just now you're bringing up things that made me specifically

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Speaker 1: not like it.

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Speaker 2: Uh, okay.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get back to more conventional sports wisdom just

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Speaker 1: around the corner. And we got a lot of great

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Speaker 1: guests today. Pierre McGuire joins me at three point thirty,

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Speaker 1: Mike de Fabo at four pm, Jonathan Bumboulli at four

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Speaker 1: thirty because we get out an hour early because the

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Speaker 1: Penguin games at six o'clock. Penguins Network pregame begins at

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Speaker 1: five o'clock, but we got the Hockey Night Show from

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Speaker 1: four thirty till five o'clock. Uh So, do not go

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Speaker 1: anywhere except the Archies at six o'clock to watch the

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Speaker 1: game with me one oh five ninety x