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Speaker 1: From the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep woods

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Speaker 1: of the North upland prairies filled with pheasants, to the

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Speaker 1: whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning, Fan Outdoors,

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Speaker 1: your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics and conversations.

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Speaker 1: You can also send us a question or opinion by

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Speaker 1: emailing us booth at KFEN dot com. Here's your host,

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Speaker 1: the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Fan Outdoors, faithful, Yes, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Saturday. Well, when it gets light out, I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you if it's Saturday, or if it's Sunday, or

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Speaker 2: if it's Monday. I'm not so sure, because dark is dark,

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Speaker 2: and that's okay. But this the eighteenth day of October,

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Speaker 2: week two of the twenty twenty five pheasant season in

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Speaker 2: the great state of Minnesota. Yep, and my very good

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Speaker 2: friend and co host is here also. Good morning, Robert.

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Speaker 3: I was I'm wondering if I'm in trouble. I'm a

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Speaker 3: little afraid to talk to you since you called me Robert,

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Speaker 3: which is maybe the first time I've heard you under

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Speaker 3: that name in a decade. So did I do something

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Speaker 3: that I.

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Speaker 2: Didn't know about your folks told me about that, that

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Speaker 2: that was the name they used when you're when you

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Speaker 2: were in trouble. Yes, yes, I know mine was William,

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Speaker 2: but I know if I ever got spoo spoken out,

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Speaker 2: I was in deep doodoo man.

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Speaker 3: We went from Billy and Bob's ramblings on the Pheasant

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Speaker 3: Opener to Robert and William on week number two.

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Speaker 2: So what it's like, Well, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I am good? I am thrilled. It's once again the

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Speaker 3: weekend and that means, you know, the freedom in front

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Speaker 3: of my windshield in birds in feathers to chase ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been chasing well after birds and feathers and

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Speaker 2: not doing real well. But that's okay. That little dog

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Speaker 2: of mine is turning into a very very good dog.

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Speaker 2: And yesterday morning I went out and I got to

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Speaker 2: tell you, Bob, my legs felt like they were going

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Speaker 2: to fall off, just I was ready to just take

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Speaker 3: Hurt.

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Speaker 2: But then after I gave him a rest for a

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Speaker 2: little while and got back at it, then things are good.

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Speaker 3: But buried. You're burying the lead, though, Captain, You're you're burying.

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Speaker 3: You were the hunting hero of Opening weekend and the

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Speaker 3: first person to not only shoot a bird, but to

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Speaker 3: get to their limit of our entire group on opening mornings,

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Speaker 3: you gotta start off the the weekend with a fiery

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Speaker 3: story of your success, your triumphant return.

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Speaker 2: I just I you know, I still haven't shot many shells.

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Speaker 2: I think I shot four so far this year, but

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Speaker 2: they've been they've been good shots.

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Speaker 3: How long how often have you been able to see

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Speaker 3: that shots? Savoring the success.

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Speaker 2: Well rather rather than a hope shot. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of those that come out of my gun

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Speaker 2: or turnaround and they're far far away and you shoot

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Speaker 2: out a out of despair. Just just.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because you and I walked into the

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Speaker 3: field and we were on the entire opposite end of

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Speaker 3: our group. They were your two boys and your two

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Speaker 3: So I I barely get to see your double success.

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Speaker 3: So I'd like to hear it from your point of view.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's not much point of view with the view

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Speaker 2: But was Brie was? You know, she was working really good.

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Speaker 2: She's in front of me, and I've learned after since

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Speaker 2: then that once she gets tired, she don't give her

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Speaker 2: I can reel her in with some not electricity, but

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Speaker 2: But we were walking and Eric was right there, and

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Speaker 2: on it came down too, and they were both just

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Speaker 2: one of them was winged. But Cala was right on

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Speaker 2: when you just puffed your chucks out and beat on

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Speaker 3: We've talked that.

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Speaker 2: We talked about that last week too, because that's a

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Speaker 2: that's a proud Papa point and a proud Papa experience

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Speaker 2: it's it's rock solid. It was really funny.

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Speaker 3: Well, and you know, as we talked about last week

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Speaker 3: when we were broadcasting from your cabin and the opener,

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Speaker 3: this is is kind of an important season for you.

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Speaker 3: With Snaps passing last year and getting sick right on

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Speaker 3: opening weekend, you didn't have a whole lot of time

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Speaker 3: in the field last year, and you know, able to

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Speaker 3: admittedly taking sort of the back seat while Snap has

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Speaker 3: been the a team, you know, and to have her

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Speaker 3: perform so exceptionally well, and then you had some trepidation

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Speaker 3: It feel comfortable and feel like you could do it,

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Speaker 3: and not only you know where, You're feeling strong with

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Speaker 3: I'm sure people look at it and say it's ridiculous

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Speaker 3: you're just walking through grass, or they see stuff on

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Speaker 3: That's not the kind of pheasant hunting you and I do. No,

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Speaker 3: We're busting through cattails and heavy blue stem grass, and

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Speaker 3: it is the hardest hunting that I experience. You know.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that if you put elevation in altitude and

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Speaker 3: there's there's trepidation like, oh gosh, how am I going

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Speaker 3: to be able to do? And not only did your

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Speaker 3: you know, very effective shots and now you've got two

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Speaker 3: a in a dog that uh, you know you have

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Speaker 3: high prospects for in the season ahead. It was a

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Speaker 3: beautiful morning. It would just it was everything we talked

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Speaker 3: about daydreaming, wishing for over the last you know, nine months,

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Speaker 3: hoping that would all come together. And it did. It

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Speaker 3: all came together. It was perfect. It was a golden

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Speaker 3: couple of photos that I'll I'll cherish forever. It's just

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Speaker 3: seeing the smile on your face and seeing Breeze looking

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Speaker 3: done this. It was it was just fabulous.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's something about your dog and when she when

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Speaker 2: she or he does well. It it's it's anyway, it's

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Speaker 2: it's important to me. It was. It's always important to me,

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Speaker 2: and probably more important than anything else. It's because I

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Speaker 2: I I don't think of the birds of me like

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Speaker 2: performance that I really really cherished. And last year, you know,

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Speaker 2: lost all my incentive to go, and I didn't go

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Speaker 2: and I also learned last year because in the past

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Speaker 2: I've been able to just get up and go out

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Speaker 2: Opening day. I'd start walking and walk all day and

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Speaker 2: wouldn't even think of it. I've gotten to the age

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Speaker 3: I mean, test by brother, it is so underappreciated. How

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. I brought I brought my neighbor out

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Speaker 2: just walking back through the field and he walks every

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Speaker 2: he said, every single day. We got out there, we

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Speaker 2: gotta go back to the car. I can't do this anymore.

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Speaker 2: I'm just sure. And like you said, there's a substantial difference. One,

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Speaker 2: your boots are a lot heavy and tennis shoes.

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Speaker 3: That's well. There's that, there's the grass pulling on your legs,

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Speaker 3: there's lifting your legs up, the hip hip extenders and

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Speaker 3: some cramps at the end of the day, you go

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Speaker 3: walk the pheasant field for about four hours and you

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Speaker 3: know it, it'll give you some Charlie horses to stream

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Speaker 3: about in your sleep when you wake up and everything

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Speaker 3: tightens up. But it's so worth it, and it does.

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Speaker 3: It's such a great reminder that as we all get older,

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Speaker 3: how important it is to take care of ourselves and

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Speaker 3: you know, keep our legs in shape, keep our body

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool. Pretty cool. Hey, we've got to

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Speaker 2: take a pause. Bob, are you okay with that? Man?

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, you bet.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we do that? We come back, we'll continue

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Speaker 2: billion Bob's ramblings about last weekend. That would be the

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Speaker 2: opening weekend of the pheasant season for us, and it's

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Speaker 2: an annual occurrence. It's not something that is that was

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Speaker 2: just kind of fathom And we'll tell you about that too,

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Speaker 2: because you can watch on video through Pheasants Forever, and

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Speaker 2: Bob will tell you how to look at that too.

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Speaker 2: Our twenty our last years or the year before. I

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Speaker 2: can't even remember. It wasn't the year. It wasn't last

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Speaker 2: year because I didn't hunt much last year the year before.

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Speaker 2: So we'll take that pause. We'll take a very short break,

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Speaker 2: and we'll be right back with more after this. We're

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Speaker 2: may be going, we'll talk a little bit about people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Bob, And it was really fun the

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Speaker 3: they're much more bumpy and willing to get into the

431
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: air and fly. And if you're walking trails and those

432
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: birds like to eat clover off of trails and berries

433
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: from the sides of trails, you can legitimately take a

434
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: walk on a hunter walking trail without a dog and

435
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: have opportunities to see birds and even shoot at birds.

436
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah and find them.

437
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: M h yep, yeah, because that's the other's a great point.

438
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: The other thing is if you hit a grout rough grouse,

439
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: they're not the toughest bird. I mean they can, you

440
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: can wing them. You can have crippling situations, but generally speak,

441
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: if you put a couple of bebes in a rough grouse,

442
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: it's going to be sitting there waiting for you to recover.

443
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: It's a completely different story with pheasants. They're just badasses. Yea,

444
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: they are.

445
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: That's putting up mildly man. I mean they can. When

446
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: I watched one of our dogs, at one point the

447
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: bird came down. It was crippled, but it came down

448
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: in a plowed field and so it was all black.

449
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: The dog got out there, and you have no idea

450
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: the amount of right turns, left turns and circles that

451
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: that bird ran and the dog was hot on its tail.

452
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: But you could see, honest to goodness, this is no kidding,

453
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: you could see dirt flying when that dog would turn.

454
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 2: And eventually they zig when it should have zagged, and

455
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: the dog got it and brought it back. But it's

456
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: an incredible experience to just watch it. And then if

457
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 2: you're in the grass, oh my goodness, gracious, And a

458
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: young dog like Bree right now, she doesn't have that experience.

459
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: And so like when she was trailing birds yesterday, she'll

460
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: get fooled and because the pheasant or whatever will we'll

461
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: circle or take that right turn or left turn, and

462
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: the dog will keep right on going. And it it's

463
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: got to circle around and come back and pick up

464
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: the scent again and get on it. And eventually she

465
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: put it up. But she got fooled half a dozen

466
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: times and she lost the scent and came back and

467
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: got it. So it's it is a very challenging bird

468
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: to hunt. But if you hunt grouse, your desire perhaps

469
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: will be to get a gun dog. And you're only

470
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: and I've said this to a lot of people, your

471
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: own only that dog is only hunting for you two

472
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: maybe three months at the most. If you're just in

473
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 2: Minnesota in hunting pheasants a year, two to three months

474
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: a year. Now, that doesn't seem like very much to

475
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: warrant having a dog, but I will guarantee you when

476
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: they become your buddy, it's a bond that you will

477
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: live and love all the days of both your life

478
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: and the dog's life. It's really an incredible bond. So

479
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: I think, I hope that that's what you do. And

480
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: then how do you pick a breed? I don't know.

481
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: I've had a couple of different breeds, totally different breeds.

482
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: I had Golden Retrievers for twenty to twenty five, maybe

483
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: longer years, and Bob, you were the reason I ended

484
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: up switching because your your first pointer or your first

485
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: shorter tram. He he just shot me. Boy, it was incredible.

486
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: I I just fell in love with the idea of

487
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: the point and I still am. I mean, real, locks up,

488
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: rock solid, and it's fun.

489
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

490
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: Uh.

491
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: It's something magical about any relationship that you have with

492
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: whatever kind of canine, that bird dog you're hunting with,

493
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: that relationship where they're using their eyes to communicate with you,

494
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: They're they're go on point their tail is if there's

495
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: a flusher their tails, cadence. There's so many just amazing

496
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: components of a relationship with the dog when you're on

497
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: the hunt. But for me, it is that dopamine drip

498
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: of a dog on point. They flick their eyes up

499
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: at you and then flick the direction where that bird

500
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: is in the grass, and they're just a statue outside

501
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 3: of their eyes. I just I could do that every

502
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: day of my life and it would be just pure joy.

503
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable the relationship you develop with a pup.

504
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree, Bob. We have to take another pause,

505
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: you okay with that? Yep, Yep, let's do so. We

506
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: will take that pause. It'll give you, our listeners, a

507
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: chance to refill that cup of coffee or reach over

508
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: and grab a cookie and put your feet up and

509
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: enjoy the conversation yet again. So we'll take that pause.

510
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 2: We'll be back with more right after this. Yep, We're

511
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: back and outdoors come in your way, cabin cast from

512
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: my end of the perspective, And you know what I'm

513
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: going to be doing later, don't you. I Am going

514
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: to pick it up and I'm going hunh. Yeah. But

515
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: it's a great time to fish. Oh goodness gracious, there's

516
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: boats out on the lake that are going back, and

517
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm hearing some stories or some really nice fish being caught.

518
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: But I I bailed. My boat is gone, and it'll

519
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 2: be getting winter ry soon and then it'll get tucked

520
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: away for the winter. But that's okay. Bob's boat's been

521
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: tucked away since the first is July.

522
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: You're not wrong. And when it hits forth at July

523
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: starts to switch to dog training and bird season around

524
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: the corner.

525
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I realize that we've been together long enough.

526
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: I can figure that one out.

527
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: You know, this weekend a timber dudeo migration has got

528
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: my heart. So I'm I'm half in and half.

529
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: Out this half or yesterday, I did notice when I

530
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: was walking one spot, I put up a jack snipe

531
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 2: and I hadn't seen jack snipe before. There's a little

532
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: bit of water off to my left, but I hadn't

533
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: seen jacksnipe. And my father was alive. There was a

534
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: tough point in time. We didn't have ducks to shoot,

535
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: and but there were a lot of jacksnipe around on

536
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: this mud because the water was so low. We shot

537
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: multiple boxes of shelves at Jacksnipe, and it.

538
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: Was really fun. It wasn't while I was out hunting,

539
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 3: but earlier in the week I was outrunning my dogs

540
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: and for the second time, late summer early fall, I

541
00:36:52,600 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: found just an enormous yellow spotted salamander walking picture it was.

542
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: It was so beautiful. It's gorgeous, and I gotta believe

543
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 3: it was looking for a place to take a long

544
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: winter snap because the temperature was you know, obviously temperatures

545
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: are cooling off now and it was rainy, and it

546
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: must have just felt like it was a good time

547
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: to make a run for it. But gosh, it was

548
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: just an enormous salamander. I was really impressive. It was

549
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: so cool.

550
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: Well, and you know those are it's kind of the burden,

551
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: a canary in the cage, a canary in the cage.

552
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: And because when I was young, any of the window

553
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: wells you could go to those and you'd have a

554
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: dozen salamanders that would get stuck in there, and they

555
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: at the time, they would be great walleye bait in

556
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: the fall.

557
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember you. I used rubber rubber or lizards

558
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 3: for a while too. Yeah, they're very good bass bait.

559
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: You're right, I have not used the live version of them,

560
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 3: but yes, yes, opportunity opportunivares is what a bass is, right.

561
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to use live frogs too, but then

562
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 2: as they put their front legs up over the hook,

563
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 2: I had to quit. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't do it anymore.

564
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: They make rubber frogs too.

565
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, but these are gonna go to a

566
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 2: beach and throw it out and they just go down

567
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: to the bottom. And and these walleyes had come up

568
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: at night and feed on them, and it was It

569
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: used to be pretty fun. It used to be. I

570
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: don't think anybody remembers it anymore. There's a long time ago.

571
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: That was about just before electric lights came on to be.

572
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: But it does illustrate the cool things when you're out

573
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: in the field.

574
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

575
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might see a pheasant or jacksnipe, but there's

576
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: just so much out there when you're just in the

577
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: wild spaces to observe. It's kind of the Stantatuila fact, right,

578
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: just your eyes, having your eyes open to mother nature

579
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: around you.

580
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: There's something I'm not sure if I cannot even put

581
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: my finger on it, but there's something that's very calming

582
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: about getting out on public land and you're looking out.

583
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: I did yesterday. I looked out at the Sea of

584
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: Bluestem and there was some brush in different places and

585
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: some watering places. But I just thought, here I am

586
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: in the middle middle of this thing, and it's open

587
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: to anybody. It belongs to everybody, and there's there's not

588
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: another soul. But obviously during the week, but last Tuesday

589
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: there were people on about half a dozen wildlife areas

590
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: that I went to around nine thirty in the morning

591
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: that we had people hunting. So there are people making

592
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: use of But it is such you were right, it's

593
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 2: such a relaxing, wonderful time. You could just go out,

594
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 2: open your eyes and look around and it is, uh,

595
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: you just kind of let the world's problems go by.

596
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 3: Pretty cool, Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah. And the colors of

597
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: fall and a light breeze. It's it's about perfect.

598
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. How did you decide on German

599
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: short hairs? Because I know that you were a Brittany

600
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: guy growing up.

601
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta believe I told you this at some point.

602
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: I know you did, I.

603
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: Know, but yeah, I grew up with Britney's always had

604
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: Brittany's growing up, My wife, Meredith grew up with Labradors.

605
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: I was adamant about, you know, after we got married,

606
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: when we decided we were going to get a dog,

607
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 3: it was adamant about getting a pointing breed. So we

608
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: went to game fair, we went to as In Fast,

609
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: We checked out different breeds, breed clubs, kennels, and it

610
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 3: turns out Captain the Meretal compromise between a Labrador Retriever

611
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: and a Brittany Point. So yeah, that Meredith wanted. I

612
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: wanted a little bit bigger dog with shorter hair, not

613
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: white hair, so that kind of eliminated setters out of

614
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: the mix, eliminated Brittany's. And I wanted a pointer and

615
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 3: kind of looked at wire hairs and and we settled

616
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 3: on the short hair. And now we're on jeez, I

617
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: think number five. So we made the right choice.

618
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: We're very Would you ever consider a different breed and

619
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: just try a different breed?

620
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, my first inclination is a setter.

621
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 3: In terms of trying different breed, like a Gordon setter,

622
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: an English setter. I would have a hard time getting

623
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 3: Meredith to compromise on the shedding in the hair that

624
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: you get with centers. The other thing, you know, when

625
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: you're hunting, particularly grouse woods with a center and they

626
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 3: come out of the field, there's a good hour comb

627
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 3: in their coat to get all the burrs and stuff out,

628
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: and the short hair, you know, there's very little ferm

629
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: or coat maintenance. Ticks are relatively easy to spot, you know.

630
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: Any misnomers about them not being able to hunt in

631
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: cold weather is kind of malarkey, especially if you put

632
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: on one of these, you know, vests that are made

633
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: protective vests. So anyways, the short hair has been a

634
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: really good choice. But I love the variety of all

635
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: bird dogs, and I love that people get super connected

636
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 3: to different breeds. You know, there's personality connections there for sure.

637
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: Well, I've, like I mentioned, I've had I had Golden

638
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: Retrievers for an awful lot of years, and I'm being

639
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: lobbied again to get another one, but by people in

640
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: my family. I don't think it'll happen. But I know

641
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: that Eric, Eric has had two Goldens and they have

642
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: both been rock solid, both on waterfowl and on pheasants.

643
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: I mean, they are just they're fantastic. I mean, I

644
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: can't say enough good things about them, but a lot

645
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: of it has to do with the owner and the

646
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: time you put in it and the effort you put

647
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: in it. And birds. I mean, I don't care if

648
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: it's birds. I watched Cala on the opening day of

649
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: duck season go after a crippled duck, and she was

650
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: out there good two hundred yards maybe further, and it

651
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: was diving in front of her, and every time it

652
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: would dive, she'd just kind of swim around in circles

653
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: watching for that bird. Bird had come up in a way,

654
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: she'd go and the bird came up too close and

655
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: she lunged and got it. And she has found an awful,

656
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: awful bunch of pheasants, crippled pheasants for us too. She's

657
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: just a great dog, really a nice dog, and the

658
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: personality is such that they're a wonderful family dog too.

659
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: And I am not saying anything bad about Britney's because

660
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 2: I absolutely love them. And I got the britt because

661
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: of Bob and Trammel. But the probably the underwrod lying

662
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: reason is I had my first pheasant was shot over

663
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: a Brittany and his name was Snap. That was his

664
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: last pheasant because he was dying of cancer. But I

665
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: called my first Brittany Snap, and and in respect and

666
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: memory of my father who taught me to hunt and

667
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: taught me to love it. So it's a I don't

668
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: know if there'll be a Snap too or not, but

669
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: Bell was one of Snap's pups and she passed away.

670
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 2: Brie has Snap in her blood and I was told

671
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: that too, and that's pretty special because my Snap had

672
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: a lot of had a lot of a grand champion,

673
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: national champion in her blood, and it was pretty cool,

674
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: pretty cool. Hey, we have to take a pause again too.

675
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit late for this break, so let's

676
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: let's do so we'll come back with more right after this.

677
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: It's fan out doors. They coming straight at you until

678
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: the eight o'clock hour this morning, and we're really glad

679
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 2: you're here. I've gotten an awful lot of comments from

680
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: people who are listening and enjoy the show, and I

681
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 2: take I think both Bob and I take pretty pretty

682
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: pretty pretty great pride in that too, because I want

683
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: the show to be entertaining. I wanted to be informative,

684
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: but most and most important, I want it to be

685
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: fun and you could learn something and still have a

686
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: good time, and I think that that is that's crucial.

687
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: And I'll give Bob credit because he had the right

688
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: shells in his gun and his coat.

689
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: Yes, the twelve gage shotgun. Twelve gage shells. Very yeah,

690
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: very important. That your ammunition matches the gauge of your shotgun.

691
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 2: Yes it is, and it only took him. It only

692
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: took him two years to figure that out. So we're

693
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: giving my credit for that.

694
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,479
Speaker 3: But I'm going grouse and timberdoodle hunting today, which means

695
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: I've got to switch everything around again. So I've got

696
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 3: to get that right.

697
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: What are you going to shoot this time? Twenty eight or.

698
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty eight, twenty eight. I'm very focused on woodcock

699
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 3: today because I have a young short hair Winter who's

700
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 3: just a little over one, and she's a rich She's

701
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: just doing a fabulous job retrieving. But I need to

702
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: work on her pointing. And that's why I'm anxious to

703
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: go into the find woodcock migrating because in some years

704
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: I can I got some good, good spots where I

705
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: can get sixty points in a day. You can only

706
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: shoot three, which means it's a target rich environment to

707
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: put a young dog on that I want to learn

708
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: pointing rather than flush. So I want to set it

709
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: up for some success and hopefully turn some light bulbs

710
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: on today. So that's kind of my goal this afternoon

711
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: is to put little Winter into the timberdoodle woods and

712
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 3: get her to point and retrieve, and hopefully I can

713
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: replicate sort of the magic you and Bree had last Saturday.

714
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: You know, I said to somebody last week that people

715
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: hunters who are really pure about their pointing breeds and

716
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: they are just dead set. They want their dog to point,

717
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: and they don't. They want it to be studied, a shot,

718
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: study to wing and the whole thing. They don't like

719
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: to hunt pheasants. They pheasants are not their primary target.

720
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: In fact, they probably will avoid them because they won't

721
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: do either one.

722
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: Well, that Sunday of the opening weekend, little was it Sunday? Yeah,

723
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: it was Sunday, Yeah, Winter, I was hunting Winter and

724
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: Getchie by myself. I went to a wildlife area alone

725
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: and Winter did point in Getchie honored. So Winter had

726
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 3: the fined. But to your earlier point, the rooster, it wasn't.

727
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 3: It was two hens had run up and flushed wild

728
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 3: so they didn't they flushed so wild. They're far out

729
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: that Winter didn't even see him. I don't think which

730
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 3: was it was reinforcing, it was doing what I wanted

731
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: to do to do. But it is a little bit

732
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: of a challenge for a pointer to just hunt pheasants

733
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 3: as a young dog, because they they're just cheaters. They

734
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: don't play the game. They they run, they flushed wild

735
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: as gets My six year old. You know, she's been

736
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: through it. She can handle pheasants and rough grouse and

737
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 3: scaled quail and woodcock and the variety of different birds,

738
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: not not perfectly, but she can adapt from bird to

739
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 3: bird to bird. What I'm trying to do with the

740
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: young pup is build a build her up, create a

741
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 3: foundation of some success with and one of the easiest

742
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 3: birds to build success is woodcock because they while they

743
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: can run and do run, they generally hold pretty tight.

744
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 3: And if they'll go with there, you know there's a

745
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: big number of them, then I can hold get her

746
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: to hold tight on points.

747
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: But Winter also will pick up a woodcock.

748
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sometimes don't.

749
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: No, No, some logs just they despise the taste or

750
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: the smell or whatever.

751
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 3: Which So I had Monday off federal holiday, and so

752
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: I did go grouse shunning after I got home from

753
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 3: pheasant camp at your place, and it shot a limit

754
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 3: of woodcock primarily you know. Well, it was all Getchy

755
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 3: pointing and Getchy retrieving, with the exception of the third bird.

756
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: Getchee pointed and I made a good shot. It was

757
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: a little ways away and gets you didn't see it

758
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 3: go down. And I was yelling at her, defetch and

759
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: lo and behold Winter had went out, found the bird.

760
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: Come back. And as I'm yelling at my old dog

761
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: to fetch to find it, my one year old is

762
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 3: standing at pel and I finally turned down and looked,

763
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: and she had the woodcock in her mouth. I was like, oh,

764
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: this is wonderful, thank you. I had no idea that

765
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: you were going to find it before the veteran. So

766
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: I've got I've got a lot of great material to

767
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: work with. I just need to put the right pieces

768
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 3: in order in the puzzle will come together.

769
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: And you need to have a little confidence in that

770
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: young dog. And it's hard to get when you've got

771
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 2: an old veteran that's right there, because that I know,

772
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: I know very very well. Yeah, but it's it is hard,

773
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: and I so many years I've talked about the A

774
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 2: team and the B team, and the A team always

775
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: consists of the the older dog with more experience, and

776
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: you put them out together and they both go on point.

777
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: And if you're alone with two dogs, they're both going

778
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 2: left and the other one's right.

779
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really you know which one you're gonna follow

780
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 3: and trust.

781
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's oftentime. Remember one time you pick the

782
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: wrong one and it was a young one that had it,

783
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: and I have one had it can play the same thing.

784
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then you kick yourself because that was a

785
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 3: that was an absolutely prime opportunity to close the deal,

786
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 3: and you know, teach a teachable moment for the dog.

787
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: And then you're left wondering, well, I guess it was

788
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: a teachable moment for me to hunter because that should

789
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: have should have trusted the young pup.

790
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and believe me, it's easy to do. I had

791
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 2: two Golden Retrievers one time. One excelled and they were

792
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 2: two sisters. There were different litters that I had had,

793
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: and one excelled in the water and had a Chesapeake

794
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: kind of tight curly coat and the other one was

795
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: more upland game. And we dropped a bird back in

796
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 2: the way back and the Cooper's and a pheasant that is.

797
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: And I was so insistent. I saw that bird go

798
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: down right here, and I called that dog over. I said,

799
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: it's right here here, start here, shake up, going off

800
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: and going off, and finally I just kind of forgot it,

801
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 2: and I got the other dog in there, and it

802
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: was sniffing around sure enough, just like you know, just

803
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: like winter and coming up nudging your leg. I turned

804
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: around and you're the one that wasn't supposed to get it.

805
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: Took off after the cripple and brought it back. And

806
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: this served me a bit of crow on that one.

807
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: So I've, as you can tell, I've remembered some of

808
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: these things very well.

809
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's some curl you're willing to eat because there's

810
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,479
Speaker 3: some magic in that.

811
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: Too, Yes there is. And people will still learn. The

812
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: dogs will learn, you know, they'll never know all there

813
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: is to know, but they're willing to learn. If you

814
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: have patience, and the dogs, even though you're not shooting well,

815
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: which happened to me more often than not, they'll work

816
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: their tail off and it'll go bang, bang, bag, and

817
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: it just kind of after a while, they'll turn around

818
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: and look at you and just kind of sneer and

819
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: turn the lip up and say, come on, buddy.

820
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trammel was Notoria. When I miss she would whine

821
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 3: as the bird flew away, I'm sorry, Like nothing like

822
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: rubbing salt into that wound. When you're here, it is

823
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: sad to see the bird fly away.

824
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: Oh, Bob, it's yeah, I agree. I agree. Well, it's

825
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: almost time for me to let you go because I

826
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: think that I understand that you want to get on

827
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: the road and out and about and enjoy your weekend,

828
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: and I will do the same thing. I'm just a

829
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: little closer to where I'm going to be than you are.

830
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you, thanks for letting me share the

831
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: stories of you and Bree. I was a fabulous opener.

832
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 3: I'll never forget, and hopefully people enjoyed similar opener. And

833
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: gonna go create some memories today because it's there's only

834
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 3: so many Octobers, so get out there and cherish him.

835
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I don't remember the last time

836
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: I've got a double either, so purely accidental, purely accidental.

837
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: But I'll take it, and so we'll breathe. So, yes, sir,

838
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: I agree, have a great hunt. Be safe and we

839
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: will talk next week.

840
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, William see her.

841
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: Robert by now, that's Bob Saint Pierre and he he

842
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 2: is my regular co host on this program pretty much

843
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: every Saturday morning, and sometimes in the summertime, we're on

844
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: Thursdays too, So we thank him for his time and

845
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: we'll let him get on the highways and byways and

846
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: head to where he's going to add we will take

847
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: a pause and be back with Tackle Terry Tuma right

848
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: after this, toward the last bit of this week's Fan Outdoors.

849
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: And we've been talking primarily hunting, and we've got Tackle

850
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: Terry Tuma on the line right now, and we'll talk

851
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: a little bit of fishing for those of us, those

852
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: of you, those people myself not included, that haven't put

853
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: their boat away and I am painfully missing it. Terry.

854
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: Good morning, sir.

855
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 4: Good morning to you, and good all our good morning

856
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: to all of our listeners. Yes, it's quite a stretch

857
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 4: of weather, isn't it.

858
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, gracious, Terry, And it's I was just

859
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: in the bait shop yesterday morning and talking with the

860
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: guys in there, with Denny and Sean, and it's yeah,

861
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: fish or biting like crazy, and I've got no boat,

862
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: but I guess that's kind of the way it goes.

863
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 4: Well. I think there's a lot of people in the

864
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 4: same area as you are. There's a lot of boats

865
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 4: that have been in storage. A lot of lakes don't

866
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 4: have anybody fishing either.

867
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, Terry. But you know, I've for a

868
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: long time I had given up already on fishing, and

869
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: now in the last few years, fall fishing is something

870
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: I had just discovered and it is so much fun.

871
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: If you get some weather to cooperate, it is wonderful.

872
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 4: It really is. Bill. You know, one is the weather.

873
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 4: You can have some very very nice days really enjoying

874
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 4: Mother nature along we're catching fish and you can have

875
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 4: a good bite that really takes place for several species

876
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 4: of fish. I think sunfish, crappies, bats, and walleyes. They're

877
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 4: all really producing and biting right now in fact, and

878
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 4: it really is a good time and very minimal fishing pressure.

879
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 2: If minimal lakes. Yeah, as far as the axis is too.

880
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: The docks are still in around here and there just

881
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: isn't But I saw there must have had a league

882
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: fish competitive fishing, because there was a basketball with a

883
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: couple of guys, and it went by here yesterday and

884
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: they're dropping the lake level down and they were fishing

885
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 2: under the trees, which it's gone down considerably, And I

886
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: don't know if that would be My primary thing to do,

887
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 2: would be to go fish where there used to be

888
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: about a couple two three feet of water and now

889
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: there's about ten inches or so.

890
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 4: And it does vary a little bit, though. I think

891
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 4: the biggest bath that I call it wasn't about a

892
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 4: foot and a half water, and there was in a

893
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 4: lake fall pattern and there was a little for fishing,

894
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 4: but big fish made up for the solar fishing.

895
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. And I've always struggled in the fall

896
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: when it comes to bass fishing, Terry. I'd get out

897
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: a little bit, but i'd throw something that would move,

898
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: spinner bait or something like that. I'd love to fish

899
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: or jig, but I just never really figured it out well.

900
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 4: I think fall fishing, especially bath wise, Bill, is that

901
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 4: you can have a hit miss day. You know, some

902
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 4: days they're going crazy, some days they're not. One bake

903
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 4: is producing unbelievably well, and the next lake next door

904
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 4: you can't even buy a bite and that's fishing. That's

905
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 4: especially I think bas fishing in the ball and it

906
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 4: is I think it's you know, really, you know, I

907
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 4: think the past six are good. My spinner bits can

908
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 4: be good. Crank bits if you can find a edge

909
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 4: of the weeds or some rocks, or even if there's

910
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 4: some docks out, crank bits can be awfully productive at

911
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 4: this time of the year.

912
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: Well in the in the past terry, I've kind of

913
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: avoided crank baits because I had no confidence in it.

914
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: In the past, we've talked about how important confidence is

915
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 2: when it comes to fishing. And if I pick up

916
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: a crank years ago and I'd throw it a few times,

917
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 2: and boy, if I didn't get bit, I was putting

918
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: it away and going to something that I had confidence,

919
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: that I believed in.

920
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 4: Well, and you had it right on they had. Confidence

921
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 4: is such a factor in catching fish. And you're right,

922
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 4: if you don't have confidence in a lure, do not

923
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 4: even take it out of a tackle box. You know,

924
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: you just don't want to do it. And the same

925
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 4: thing is so in many times anger will say, well,

926
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not getting bit, I'm gonna write this

927
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 4: new rure. Whether there's no sense of trying a new

928
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 4: rure when the fish aren't really cooperating. But you have

929
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 4: to have confidence. And confidence is you know, once you

930
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 4: take it out of a tackle box or once you

931
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 4: cast it, you have to have that confidence. Otherwise you

932
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 4: best get it off because you probably aren't going to

933
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 4: get any bites.

934
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: Terry. I remember once years ago on Gull Lake, I

935
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 2: was using a mag wiggle Magnum wiggle ward and I'd

936
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: cast it out, but I was looking for fish. I

937
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: was looking for weeds, and it was before a lot

938
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: of the sodar and stuff, but I used it as

939
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: a search bait for for vegetation. Well, and all of

940
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: a sudden I started getting bit There'd be bas nice

941
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: baths and I thought, hmmm, I'd moved down a little

942
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: bit catch another one, and the light did come on.

943
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: It's surprising because usually I turn it back off again

944
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: and ignore it, but I didn't, and it was it

945
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: was really something I had. When it came tournament time,

946
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: I had a wonderful time. I caught a bunch of fish,

947
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: but it was purely by accident.

948
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 4: Well, and you know sometimes too, you know, if you're

949
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 4: out there and I you know, for almost all species

950
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 4: if you're not getting a bite. You know, I think

951
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 4: so often too. You know, we go out and you know,

952
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 4: no matter what species was fishing for, you know, we

953
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 4: hung up on this one bait because they're not biting

954
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 4: on crankbase, they're not biting on a jig in the

955
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 4: minnow up, they're not biting on a toosic and a

956
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 4: jig for croppies or whatever. We say to ourselves, well,

957
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 4: I'm going to quit fishing. They're just not biting. We

958
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 4: stay out that Terry for a couple of hours and

959
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 4: we load up the boat. That is not true. You've

960
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 4: got to keep on trying different baits in different orders,

961
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 4: different location. There's no way that you can check a

962
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 4: whole lake with a different type of lures in two hours.

963
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 4: You can't do it.

964
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget another time, Terry. I stopped to

965
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: put gas in the truck one evening and a friend

966
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: of mine had his boat. He was gassing up at

967
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: the at the station and we were chit chatting and

968
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: he said, have you still got your boat around? I said, yeah,

969
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 2: it's back at the trail at the cabin. I haven't

970
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: gotten it put away yet. He says, well, don't put

971
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 2: it away. Get out on the lake, he said, And

972
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: he gave me a couple of spots, and he said,

973
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: get right up next to shore early tomorrow morning and

974
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: throw a jig in the middle. Right up the next

975
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 2: to shore, he says, it's loaded with fish. And they'll

976
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: be there until for about the first hour of the

977
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 2: day and then they transition to move out terry. I'll

978
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: be going to Heck. He was right on the money,

979
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: and it was so much fun.

980
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that true? Though? You know, that's I think

981
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 4: you hit it right on the head too. Bill. We've

982
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 4: got to keep open minded, you know, just because we've

983
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 4: got some fish and say fourteen feet of water, uh,

984
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 4: And then we start out tomorrow at that fourteenth feet

985
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 4: of water. And if you're not marking those fish that

986
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 4: you've got to start, it's the best to start, you know.

987
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 4: And they'll keep working shallow and shallower. But we get too,

988
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 4: I think too hung up that these fish aren't going

989
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 4: to be uh shadow, they're going to be deep. And

990
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 4: that's definitely not the case. Even you know, many minutes,

991
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 4: even throughout the summer, I've been catching bass and a

992
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,959
Speaker 4: pot of water two feet of water on plastics and

993
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 4: you know, and the same thing with crap is sometimes

994
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 4: we think, well, these crops are going to be deep

995
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 4: at this, they're not necessarily deep, uh it. And what

996
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 4: it really boils down to, and like you and I said,

997
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 4: many many times, no food, no fish.

998
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, Terry. They got to have food.

999
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: And if there's there is nothing to eat, there's no

1000
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: honestly goodness of people just stop and think about it.

1001
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: There's no reason for him to be there because they

1002
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 2: they don't waste their time because they're looking for something,

1003
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: some food source. They aren't going to just sit there

1004
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: and just hang around because they want to hang out

1005
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: with the boys. And it don't work that way.

1006
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly right. And you know too, you know,

1007
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 4: like with longways, well even with several species of fish,

1008
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 4: you've got a feeding flat or a ledge or whatever.

1009
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 4: These fish, you know, when they're feeding, that move up

1010
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 4: to these areas where the food sources is is and

1011
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 4: then they'll feed and they can go back into deep water,

1012
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 4: especially walleyes. But here too, again, uh, you've got to

1013
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 4: have food you know, there or right next to that

1014
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 4: about that they're holding. Otherwise you're just fishing dead water.

1015
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: How important is it now this time of year and

1016
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: later into the fall before things go solid if you

1017
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: find some places that maybe have vegetation on them, not

1018
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: necessarily just fish, but green vegetation, and just that etched

1019
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: that in your memory to come back when you are

1020
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: getting out. If you do get out on the ice,

1021
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 2: God only knows with the way things are now, But

1022
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 2: if you do, is that worthwhile?

1023
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 4: Yes it is, you have no question about it. If

1024
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 4: you can have some week, especially if you're pursuing like

1025
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 4: sunfish Bill. Many many times we would look and sometimes

1026
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 4: in some of these bays and so forth, we'd be

1027
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 4: fishing in three feet of water, and some fish would

1028
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 4: just hang in there. But Kenry' speaking at them a

1029
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 4: little bit earlier morning bite. But yes, that is definitely

1030
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 4: a big key factor. Would I spend a lot of

1031
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 4: time in those specific areas, No, but I would definite

1032
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 4: let me check it out at a good starting point,

1033
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 4: and a lot of the bays are, especially in these areas,

1034
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 4: are really productive at early ice.

1035
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 2: How about the size of minerals if you're fishing live bait,

1036
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 2: and I know I was at Fletcher's yesterday and they

1037
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 2: just came in with some different kind of chub. I

1038
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 2: think they called it a racehorse chub or something I

1039
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 2: can't remember. But they were really really active. I mean

1040
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: they had a screen over the top of the tank.

1041
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 2: They had it in because they jump out all the time.

1042
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: And does the size of minal make a difference or

1043
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: do you wait and have the fish tell you that.

1044
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 4: No. Generally speaking, especially at this time of the year

1045
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 4: and even getting further into the late fall pattern, Yes,

1046
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 4: chubs can be unbelievably productive for why fishing, and generally speaking,

1047
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 4: you know, even you know, like four inchers would not

1048
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 4: be uncommon. And then what I do with those with livadris,

1049
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 4: I'll hook them in the tail. But here again too,

1050
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 4: you've got to have a good solid hook size because

1051
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 4: I many times I kept missing fish and I step

1052
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 4: up in hook size I will catch them. But yes,

1053
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 4: very very productive. And that's because you know, we are

1054
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 4: the comment what these fish are fattening up for the

1055
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 4: winter time. I still hear that, and that's not the case.

1056
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 4: The reason they're feeding and that many species because they're

1057
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 4: such an abundant food source. But these fish feet all winter,

1058
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 4: so they're not fattening up for the winter.

1059
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing I've noticed. I haven't noticed it,

1060
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 2: but I've seen Terry is sometimes these really big mintals

1061
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 2: walleyes will bite the heck out of those. I mean

1062
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: they could be five inches long and the walleys will

1063
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 2: just crush them.

1064
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 4: Yes, you're exactly right. In fact, you know talking about that.

1065
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 4: I can remember fishing mirac well, wasn't that long ago,

1066
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 4: and we were using actually we're using Sacramentos big sucker,

1067
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 4: you know not, you know, right, the five six inches

1068
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 4: and catching walleys in the winter time. So here again too,

1069
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 4: we just I think we you know, we as fishermen

1070
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 4: sometimes don't want to experiment. We don't want to think

1071
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 4: out of the box. We get sort of sected. This

1072
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 4: is the way it is. This is the way it is.

1073
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 4: We're not going to deviate from that. And many many

1074
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 4: times it does not pay any dividends if we don't experiment.

1075
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: Do you ever get questions from people on how to

1076
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 2: store their boat in the wintertime?

1077
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 4: I just add a question there, Yes, yes, I had one, was,

1078
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 4: you know, storing a boat in the wintertime. And then

1079
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 4: this which I haven't I had for a long long time,

1080
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 4: is how do I store a boat if I don't

1081
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 4: have a place to store it in outside storage. And

1082
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 4: I thought that was really sort of a odd question.

1083
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 4: But if you think about it, you'll see boats in yards,

1084
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 4: you know, all tucked away for the winter. And it

1085
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 4: is something that we you know, for the people that

1086
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 4: don't put it into you know, storage or don't have

1087
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 4: a garages start in. It is something that we have

1088
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 4: to address.

1089
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: Terry mine and my my son's boat. We wrap them,

1090
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 2: do we win arize them, wrap them up tight, and uh,

1091
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 2: I've got a charger that I can leave on all

1092
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: the time, so it trickles charge trickle charges the batteries

1093
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 2: and usually we put them in the backyard, push them

1094
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: in the backyard and put them on on boards and

1095
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 2: the way we go, they stay there until spring. I've

1096
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: done that for ten twelve years.

1097
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 4: Well, you you sort of hit a home run when

1098
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,799
Speaker 4: you said that, though, But I do advice you know, uh,

1099
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 4: you know, putting them on the tires on board or

1100
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 4: padual block or something, and they're thing. If you can't

1101
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 4: train grab them. Yes, use a bolt cover, but do

1102
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 4: not put a tap over the bolt cover. But then

1103
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 4: you have condensation between the two and then dry rot

1104
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 4: our notews starts to set in we know what Dad does.

1105
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 4: And the other thing too, is I tell how this

1106
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 4: individual I mentioned you don't have to remove the battery

1107
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 4: on you're charging your baddies. That's fine. And then two

1108
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 4: is uh put some sort of a mouse repellent in

1109
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 4: that boat. I don't know how many times I heard, well,

1110
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 4: oh mind, the bunnies got in and chewed up on

1111
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 4: my electrical or put put something in you know, whatever

1112
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 4: it may be, uh to repel those or to actually

1113
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 4: let them eat it and die, but they can cause

1114
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 4: a lot of problems. The everything too is cover up

1115
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 4: your tires? Is that son? We know what the sun does?

1116
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 4: You know that you know, you know, use some sort

1117
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 4: of a cover, or you can use lids from Toat's

1118
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 4: whatever it may be, but something just to keep the

1119
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 4: sun off of them.

1120
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, the UV rays come up and they can break

1121
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: down that rubber or two. And yeah, we do the same. Yes,

1122
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 2: I've got some some covers that I can pull down

1123
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 2: and goes. I think they're shipping more shipping covers than anything.

1124
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,839
Speaker 2: And they come down and and Eric wraps his in tarps,

1125
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 2: but they there's all kinds of tarp on them, and

1126
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: they go down. The wrap around the bottom of the

1127
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: boat and the whole deal. But we've we've been we've

1128
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: been successful with that. And uh, I know Eric's boat

1129
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 2: I think is in the backyard now when I haven't

1130
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 2: had mind winter rise yet. Of course I've been up

1131
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 2: here for so long. I need to get my tail

1132
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 2: home and get her done, get her done.

1133
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, but you're right, you can definitely storm outs

1134
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 4: if you do it correctly. You know here are getting

1135
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 4: to you know, winnrise out the motor itself. And our

1136
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 4: thing too is uh I know the dealer that I

1137
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 4: work with, they do use r V and ifries to

1138
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 4: win a rise, the light.

1139
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: Wells and the billge bump yep, I do too, but.

1140
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 4: They yeah, they but they said this is a few

1141
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 4: years ago bill that they said they had people coming

1142
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 4: and they will the tubes or the line were freezing up.

1143
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 4: So this is something so easy to do and it's

1144
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 4: well worth the time to do it and save many

1145
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 4: times a headache.

1146
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 2: And well and it doesn't take a lot. If you

1147
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 2: just pour something, it'll go down into the pump. Especially

1148
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: if you use your boat late. That's crucial if you're

1149
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 2: on the Mississippi River down red wing or something you're

1150
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 2: going to come back up. Boy, you better do that,

1151
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 2: and you get the If you got a bunk, trader,

1152
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 2: be sure you get it off the bunk, so otherwise

1153
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 2: it'll freeze to the trader, freeze to the bunk, and

1154
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: when it comes time to taking it off, it ain't

1155
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: going anywhere.

1156
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 4: For a while, I heard that story. And then the

1157
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 4: other thing I heard too, here was just on leak

1158
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 4: of the wood where somebody had the bunk and he

1159
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 4: went fishing, and he backed it in to load it up,

1160
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 4: and they didn't tie the bow down one strapped and

1161
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 4: guess what you said, right off the bunks, right on

1162
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 4: the black.

1163
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: You know, you'll launch it on concrete and that ain't

1164
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 2: good thing.

1165
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 4: No, it is no one who's the brand new run

1166
01:13:54,840 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 4: boat by the way, yes away right, Oh my gosh.

1167
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 2: You know then that's you just stand and look at

1168
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: it and cry, literally cry.

1169
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 4: Right then you kick yourself. Why didn't I think of that?

1170
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: You know?

1171
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 4: But it's just common sense, you know, you know, even

1172
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 4: Bill Now, I still most of the time, I honestly,

1173
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 4: if we're have somebody in the boat, but if I'm alone,

1174
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 4: I still hook up the wind strap.

1175
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 2: Oh, I do too all the time. Terry all summer long.

1176
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 2: Every time I do that.

1177
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too. Two. I've been doing that for

1178
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,839
Speaker 4: some time. But you know, if we're you know, somebody's

1179
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 4: driving me down, then I and I'm in the truck,

1180
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 4: then I will just you know, pull it out just

1181
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 4: a few feet. But I love what I always hooke

1182
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 4: it up.

1183
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 2: I always do yes, even if I have to get wet.

1184
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, your character went into two B. When we're talking

1185
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 4: about wind rising boats. What I also do is just, uh,

1186
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 4: I don't think how much a big deal it is,

1187
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 4: but I do this, Uh, loosen up the transit straps

1188
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 4: the type. Yeah, and then the bows drapped. Also to

1189
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 4: poso sense that having that kind of tension either you know,

1190
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:07,879
Speaker 4: on the trailer or the boat itself.

1191
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: No, that's a good idea. And I do the same thing, Terry.

1192
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: I just forgot that also. But yeah, those and I

1193
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 2: unplugged the trolling motor and stuff like that. And do

1194
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 2: you take your do you put your rods in some

1195
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 2: place where it's in the house or in some side

1196
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 2: inside something. Yes.

1197
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I started roging the garage. And the reason being

1198
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 4: one is that you can take an inventory in the

1199
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 4: one other time and then you can put you know,

1200
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 4: you got a snowy bizzard to day or whatever it is.

1201
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 4: You can out look at your Roger. You can put

1202
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 4: a new line on at that time. So there's a

1203
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 4: lot of busses. By taking them out, I take all

1204
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 4: attack out of the too.

1205
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Terry. Those well, yeah, I think I do.

1206
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 2: Take my plastics and things like that out of the moat.

1207
01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 2: I get those cardboard boxes with the hardbeat. They can

1208
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 2: stay in there if they're in cases.

1209
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, with that at all.

1210
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't either. So you have you got

1211
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 2: your boat all winter rized and all set the roll.

1212
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 4: I got one winnerized and that's already in storage.

1213
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 2: I got one to do it, okay, Yeah, and I've

1214
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 2: got small.

1215
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 4: I'm going to just wait a little bit to just

1216
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 4: see what is I just looked at the extent of forecast.

1217
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 4: They're talking in the sixties for a couple of weeks. Here.

1218
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 2: I hear you, Terry. I agree.

1219
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have said that to you, Bill, right.

1220
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I remember times and we got a goal,

1221
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: but I remember times that I would just be scrambling

1222
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: to beat a snowstorm to get this place put to bed.

1223
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: And I hate to do that, but it doesn't look

1224
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: like it's going to happen for a couple of weeks

1225
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 2: at least.

1226
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I agree with you one hundred percent because

1227
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 4: I I think twice I pulled a boat home from

1228
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 4: being winnerized into storage in the snowstorm. And so I

1229
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 4: hear you, and I'm not going to I'm not going

1230
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 4: to do it again.

1231
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 2: I hear you, Terry. I thank you, sir, and we'll

1232
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: catch up again in a couple of weeks.

1233
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 4: Sounds have a great weekends bill and follow our listeners.

1234
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 4: See don't put your boloy quite yet.

1235
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 2: If you got to use it, use it. I'm just

1236
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 2: telling you, thank you, sir. Yes, sir, you too. That's

1237
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 2: Tacletary too. Every other week, he joins us, and we

1238
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 2: will take a pause and be back with one more

1239
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 2: segment before we have to say goodbye after this. You

1240
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 2: recognized the music, don't you. Yeah, this is a final

1241
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 2: segment for this Saturday morning. You know, it's been really fun.

1242
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 2: It's I've, like I mentioned kind of the tackle just before,

1243
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 2: I have been out here at the cabin for pretty

1244
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 2: much all summer long since April, and it's been absolutely delightful.

1245
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 2: And I kind of said it with Bob too, that

1246
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: there's something something really special. And I'm retired, so it

1247
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 2: really doesn't make much difference. But there's something really special

1248
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: about being out here, almost the same special feeling as

1249
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 2: when you're walking out in the middle of a field.

1250
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 2: It's and I don't mind hunting alone at all. I

1251
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 2: love hunting with my boys, and it was kind of

1252
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 2: the same thing when I fished a lot too. I

1253
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 2: love fishing competitive tournaments with my kids, and I like

1254
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: to hunt with my boys and my grandson now as

1255
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 2: he comes up and don't tell anybody, but when they

1256
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 2: get up here later today, I bought him, now, don't

1257
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 2: tell them. I bought him a brand new Daisy Red

1258
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: Rider BB gun. I went to see Stu over in

1259
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 2: Albany at the gun shop and got that yesterday. So

1260
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that because that's the way both

1261
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:18,440
Speaker 2: Eric and Chad began their hunting experiences was with a bbgun,

1262
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: and they could be BB's a few BB's, but I

1263
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 2: usually carried them. But it gave me an opportunity to

1264
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 2: teach about knowing where the muzzle is, about holding it

1265
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: and keeping it under control so you're not pointing it

1266
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 2: at somebody or at something, or your partner as you're

1267
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 2: walking through the field. There are so many things that

1268
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 2: you can teach with just that bbgun, crossing a fence,

1269
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 2: How do you do it properly? And how do you

1270
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 2: do it safely? A lot, a lot of things. But

1271
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 2: it's the beginning of the that whole lifetime love of

1272
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 2: the outdoors when it comes to hunting too, being sure

1273
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 2: of your target, looking what's behind it, and asking questions

1274
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 2: of the youngster as you're going and as you're walking

1275
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 2: and what if what would you do? So there's there

1276
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 2: are just so many things that we do and we

1277
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 2: just now. I mean, I took my gun out yesterday

1278
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 2: out of the car, out of the case, and I'm

1279
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 2: standing away from the truck and I put shells in

1280
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: it inadvertently. I always put my finger underneath it because

1281
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 2: the safety is right behind the trigger, a part of

1282
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 2: the trigger garden my Browning, my sweet sixteen, and I

1283
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 2: always I'm feeling it often when I'm walking to be

1284
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 2: sure it's on safe. And I've had people tell me that,

1285
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: you know, I take my gun off sete early because

1286
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 2: it just takes too long. That's humbug. That doesn't Carold

1287
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: any water to me, not even a drop of water,

1288
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 2: because when you get going on it and you get

1289
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 2: used to it, it's a one motion. You've gun your shoulder,

1290
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 2: your gun. The safety comes off when you're ready to fire,

1291
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: and the same thing when you're done. You be sure

1292
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 2: you take it off safe. But you can't trust the safety.

1293
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: I've always told kids, it's a mechanical device, and mechanical

1294
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 2: devices fail, so you can't trust that. So there's a

1295
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: lot of safety that enters in there, and then you

1296
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 2: learn about that. Both Eric and Chad they learned well.

1297
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 2: They made a few mistakes. Say I made some mistakes,

1298
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: and that you learn from those mistakes if somebody is

1299
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 2: there to correct you. And the firearm safety, oh my goodness.

1300
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: I had a lot of kids taking fire and safety,

1301
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 2: and I always prided the class too, because the kids

1302
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 2: when they left, they were ready to go, they were

1303
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 2: ready to go hunting, and I was confident that they

1304
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 2: would be safe. We were doing things in our classes

1305
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: long before the way they do them now, and it

1306
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 2: just we did the same things. They just probably talked

1307
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 2: it did it a little bit differently because of trying

1308
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 2: to put the kids in hunting scenarios like getting out

1309
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 2: and shooting out of a duck boat, being safe when

1310
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 2: you take your shot, zones of fire, all kinds of

1311
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: things like that. But now this weekend is the antlerless

1312
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 2: special season and quite a bit of the state. But

1313
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: be sure you check the rags the DNR REGs to

1314
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 2: see if you're included in it. A lot of people

1315
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: coming in yesterday to the bait shop and buying deer licenses.

1316
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: It's well the youth season, the youth deer season. So

1317
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 2: the idea behind that whole antler season is to take

1318
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 2: some of the deer out of the population. I talked

1319
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: to people yesterday too that they got their eye on

1320
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 2: a particular butt well buck, and that's wonderful. I mean,

1321
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: if that's your goal and that's what you want, But

1322
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 2: they wouldn't take a dough to save their soul. Well,

1323
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 2: my boys and yours, truly, I don't hunt for antlers,

1324
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 2: not anymore. If I got a nice set of a

1325
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 2: nice set of antlers, I keep them. I've never mounted

1326
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 2: an animal, and I could do it myself, but I

1327
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: just didn't see that. I do have some birds and

1328
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 2: some fish on the wall, but I just I've got

1329
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: one deer mount, one deer mount, one bucket. It was

1330
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 2: the first buck I ever shot, and it was the

1331
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 2: biggest book I've ever shot. And my neighbor, my friend

1332
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: at the time, he mounted it for me, and I've

1333
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 2: got that in the basement with my other stuff. So

1334
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 2: each one of those carry a special place in my

1335
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 2: heart because I can remember when they happened, where it happened,

1336
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 2: and who shot that particular one, whether it be me,

1337
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 2: Eric or Chad, even a friend, I can remember. I

1338
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 2: can remember the time. I've got a I've got a

1339
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 2: prairie chicken on the wall. I've only seen one in

1340
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,839
Speaker 2: my lifetime. I've only shot it one in my lifetime.

1341
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: I've only killed one in my lifetime, that particular bird,

1342
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 2: and he's on the wall. Got him in South Dakota.

1343
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 2: So it's all good stuff. It's all wonderful, and it's

1344
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 2: always great fun. But those are just some memories that

1345
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 2: I have. I've been talking an awful lot about stories

1346
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 2: the last couple of a couple of weeks also here

1347
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 2: on the radio, and I've got all kinds of stories,

1348
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 2: but it comes from experience of being out in the field.

1349
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 2: My goodness, I think I started hunting when I was

1350
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:15,560
Speaker 2: Dad made me I couldn't carry a gun until I

1351
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 2: had firearm safety, and that was twelve years old. But

1352
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: with him as the instructor, I carried it at eleven

1353
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 2: years old, and I began hunting with him, and I

1354
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: started my boys the way my dad did too. The

1355
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 2: first thing I carried the first time Eric and Chad hunted,

1356
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 2: they carried an empty shotgun, no bullets, no shells. They'd

1357
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 2: carry an empty shotgun and I carried the shells. And

1358
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: when we'd stop, there would be places that we would

1359
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 2: go where I'd let them put one shell in. Because

1360
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 2: each of them I purchased a youth model pump twenty

1361
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 2: gage Remington shotgun. They each still have their guns, and

1362
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 2: they served them very very well. But it was started

1363
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 2: empty one shell and then I'd give them two shells.

1364
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 2: They could shoot two shells and then a little bit lighter,

1365
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 2: and this is each for a year. A little bit

1366
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 2: later they got the three shells that they could shoot,

1367
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 2: and they were responsible for their own ammunition. I mean,

1368
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 2: I bought it, but they were responsible for it. So

1369
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 2: it's just the way that I brought my boys up.

1370
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 2: And I also said to Eric too well, Jack and

1371
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 2: we went out walking. We started probably in July, and

1372
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 2: I was trying to get myself in shape a little bit.

1373
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 2: But it was in July and we were walking. Well,

1374
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 2: Jack's feet hurt and here he had these blue reen

1375
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 2: rubber plastic boots he was wearing, and they slipped and

1376
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:55,799
Speaker 2: slid enough so that he got blisters on his heel. Well, goodness, gracious.

1377
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 2: If you don't want a child to keep harning hunting,

1378
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 2: if you don't, I don't want your spouse to keep

1379
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 2: coming with you. All you got to do is give

1380
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 2: them junk for clothes, and they aren't going to want

1381
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 2: to come. They aren't going to want to go through

1382
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 2: that because it's just no fun. So a word to

1383
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 2: the wise from somebody who's been there, done it. And

1384
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 2: if you watch the video that we produced for Peass

1385
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 2: Forever in twenty twenty three, Bob asked what it meant

1386
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 2: to me to have Eric and Chadowfield their spouses and

1387
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 2: they're my grandchild walking with us. And I looked at

1388
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 2: Bob and I said, it means I was successful and

1389
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 2: raising children that loved the outdoors. It's not rocket science,

1390
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,919
Speaker 2: but we made an effort, and we made a concerted

1391
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 2: effort to do that. So I'm just it's kind of rambling,

1392
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 2: but it's also things that I think are important. It's

1393
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 2: it's not something that's real complicated, but you do have

1394
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 2: to make time. And when you take a child out

1395
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 2: in the field, or you take a child fishing, you've

1396
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 2: got to not do it for just yourself. If you

1397
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 2: want to go out and you want to hunt hard,

1398
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 2: if you want to go fishing and you want to

1399
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 2: fish hard, don't include your child in that because they

1400
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,560
Speaker 2: are going to just get sick and tired of it

1401
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 2: and it's no fun. And if it's no fun, there's

1402
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 2: a lot of things that pull on kids time and

1403
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: a lot of things that they can do other than

1404
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 2: just be with you. It is a pretty special thing

1405
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 2: when you get older and your children get older, for

1406
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 2: them to come back to you and say, hey mom,

1407
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 2: Hey dad, you want to come with me. You want

1408
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 2: to come with me this week, I'd love you to

1409
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 2: come and make time for you. Duck opener this year.

1410
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: That's what Eric did for Chad nine And it's a

1411
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 2: pretty special time. I'm just telling you so you can

1412
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 2: think about it. I would it'll work, promise you. The

1413
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 2: music's plan which means I got to give a special

1414
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 2: move special thanks to Bob Saint Pierre for joining us

1415
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 2: for a period of time to tackle Terry and Denny

1416
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 2: Fletcher was going to join us, but the phones inside

1417
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 2: town and Sock Center are all out so we couldn't.

1418
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 2: It's got a bunch of meat though. We'll get him

1419
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: on another time. So for Brett Blakemore, my executive producer,

1420
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 2: I'll leave you at the thought of I'll see you

1421
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 2: next Saturday. Until then, what I said, what I'll leave

1422
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,759
Speaker 2: you is Tata