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Speaker 1: Wakes up, John Jay and Rich.

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Speaker 2: What's crack a leg?

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Speaker 1: And this is the Big Boss does snoopy diagle double.

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Speaker 1: and Rich, wake yours.

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Speaker 2: John Jay and Rich phone numbers eight seven, seven, nine

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Speaker 2: three seven one o four seven. You can call us

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Speaker 2: right now, jump on the air that you can also

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Speaker 2: text us, text jj R and your message. In nine six,

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Speaker 2: eight ninety three, there was this survey about The Exorcist

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Speaker 2: being the scariest movie of all time.

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Speaker 3: I think, I think so. I don't think anything comes

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Speaker 3: close because that's that stuff's.

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Speaker 2: Real, because it's the true story, right, yes, And how

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Speaker 2: is your cousin involved with this?

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Speaker 3: Well, we've talked about my cousin, Tim, one of my

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Speaker 3: all time favorite people on the planet Earth. He is

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Speaker 3: a Catholic priest and also a tremendous singer. He could

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Speaker 3: have been on Broadway, but he chose to serve the Lord.

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Speaker 3: And what Tim was telling me a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: But that story of the Exorcist is actually based on

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Speaker 3: a real exorcism that happened in Saint Louis, where I'm from,

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Speaker 3: at a hospital right down the street from where Tim

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Speaker 3: was stationed at a church. So I asked him to

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Speaker 3: about the the craziness of that thing that was actually

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Speaker 3: actually real. I mean, demons are real, y'all. Good morning,

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Speaker 3: They're not just made up.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, father, Tim, Good morning. So you're a priest

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Speaker 4: everybody today?

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Speaker 2: You're a real priest, are you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Let's see give me the ted command. That's real. Fast go.

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Speaker 4: I was told we were going to talk about something else.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, how many years? How many years have you

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Speaker 3: been a priest?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is this forty? Am? I right?

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Speaker 4: Forty two? Forty two?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the nicest guys on the entire planet.

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Speaker 2: I could tell. So, Tim, did the extors just take

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Speaker 4: The movie? The book, which was written first, was based

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Speaker 4: on an exorcism back in the forties. It was not.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't even born then, so, but it happened at

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Speaker 4: actually did not talk to the priest that did it,

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Speaker 4: but his brother was a doctor and he would check

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Speaker 4: on these two priests and others who were praying the

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Speaker 4: exorcism prayers. So he said there were a lot of

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Speaker 4: things that were correct, but the rest of the book

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Speaker 4: was very sensational. There is nothing about vomit, our heads

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Speaker 4: turning around. They said that in the room where this

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Speaker 4: was very cold, like kind of the movie showed. And

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Speaker 4: young man's you know, person from his mouth. So those

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Speaker 4: are the kind of things. But I did have a

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Speaker 4: farishioner who would check these guys every day after praying

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Speaker 4: for hours, you know, to see if they were okay.

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Speaker 4: The big thing about exorcism is that sometimes there are

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Speaker 4: people who just have severe mental illness and claim they

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Speaker 4: are possessed. And that's something that we have to look

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Speaker 4: the prayers of exorcist.

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Speaker 2: That's just meds right. Well, I would think that if

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Speaker 2: you tell people you're possessed, that's where ment the illness

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Speaker 4: Yeah, big part of it. Yeah, absolutely be like, oh.

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Speaker 2: My god, I'm possessed. A need exorcism.

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Speaker 3: Now you don't, Well, so how do you how do

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Speaker 4: Well, usually we do try to check that out or

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Speaker 4: in a language. And then there's also some other signs

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Speaker 4: into some kind of convulsion, but even that, you know,

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Speaker 4: so we do ask that there's some real good background

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Speaker 4: am not I've not been asked to be won so good.

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Speaker 4: I don't know all of that.

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Speaker 2: We need to keep you far away from that.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying that, but you're you're saying it's not

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Speaker 3: very common, but like the devil is real?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but so how do you avoid getting to that point?

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Speaker 2: I mean, are there certain things that people do that

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Speaker 2: open themselves up to being possessed?

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Speaker 4: Those are good questions. One of the things that we

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Speaker 4: have believed that anyone baptized are legitimately in a faith

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Speaker 4: baptized in the name of Jesus. But some have and

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Speaker 4: we're not sure. I've talked to a couple priests and

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Speaker 4: the dioceses who have them, but they say it's not

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Speaker 4: quite as violent. And what they continue to look for

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Speaker 4: is something from family or friends saying no, he would

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Speaker 4: never say or he's never said anything like that. So

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Speaker 4: there's some kind of influence within. Those are the things

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Speaker 2: Father Tim. What about what's your take on the Ouiji board?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I have we used to play that

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, my god, do you guys know?

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Speaker 3: Do you guys know? As I'm hearing this, So my

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Speaker 3: main babysitters were my cousin Tim and my cousin Sue

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Speaker 3: Ouiji board and Tim would scare the crap out of

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Speaker 3: me and my brother all the time pre priesthood.

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Speaker 2: But you're not as a priest for forty two years,

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Speaker 2: you're not. Don't play with that. It can open spirits.

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Speaker 2: You just think it's funny. Milton Bradley, what have no

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Speaker 2: big deal? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think it's harmless. I think that we used to,

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Speaker 4: you know, as we could be his light. Think you know,

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Speaker 4: we're just touching it. But they were always pushing it

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Speaker 2: What about connect four? That's the gate way to help?

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Speaker 2: Hey have you heard? I was just curious your take

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Speaker 2: on this is something? This is It doesn't really bother me,

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Speaker 2: but it's a tiny we haven't really talked about this,

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Speaker 2: but you know, the Passion of the Christ, the movie

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Speaker 2: that Mel Gibson made, phenomenal movie, right, would you agree

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Speaker 2: it's a great movie, did you? I liked that. I

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Speaker 2: thought it was phenomenal. I did think it's a there's

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Speaker 2: you know he's doing a sequel right now, right, And

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we all know how the sequel is going

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Speaker 2: to go. But I was just curious that he's casting

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Speaker 2: a different actor to play Jesus, which is throwing me off, like,

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Speaker 2: why wouldn't you hire the same guy? Have you thought

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Speaker 2: about that yet? Tim? Do you know about the story?

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Speaker 4: No, don't know anything about a sequel?

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Speaker 2: Like does Jesus come out looking different? I think day three?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that part of it that people didn't recognize them?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 4: I don't remember a half that's ten right post resurrection?

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Speaker 4: Even Mary Magdalene didn't recognize him until Jesus said her name.

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Speaker 2: And that makes sense to that makes sense, And that's

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Speaker 2: why you would have a different actor then, no idea.

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Speaker 4: Somebody who looked different, or maybe the guy didn't want

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Speaker 4: to do it again? Who was to Jesus?

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Speaker 2: I really haven't seen him.

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Speaker 3: The much same contract thing with Jim Caviezel. Probably we'll

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Speaker 3: put in the backup.

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Speaker 2: Well, Tim, thanks for clearing up the air on the

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Speaker 2: exorcism stuff. Have you heard of an exorcism taking place

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Speaker 2: in the last I don't know how long, how many

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Speaker 2: years outside of the one in Saint Louis in the forties.

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Speaker 4: No, I have not other than a couple of guys

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Speaker 4: here who do have been trained in the prayers. But

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Speaker 4: I don't know how many years ago it was. I

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Speaker 4: do think it's something that you know, people should be

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Speaker 4: aware of, but also cautious. Maybe that's my bottom line.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say too, if you need an exorcism,

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Speaker 3: you want to go to the guys in the Catholic

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Speaker 3: Church that are trained to pray for that. You don't

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Speaker 3: want to just you know, look look up somebody on

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Speaker 3: a Google ad you want to get the card carrying prayers.

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Speaker 2: Father Tim, thank you for jumping on the air with

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Speaker 2: us and clearing that up, and tell very well, have

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Speaker 2: a great day, sir, Sure enough you all have one. Yes, Hey,

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Speaker 2: have you met the new pope by the way, Tim,

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Speaker 2: not yet? Oh, never before back in the day and

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Speaker 2: be from Chicago.

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Speaker 4: And he was in a religious community. He was not

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Speaker 4: a diocesan guy and down in Peru forever or wherever

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Speaker 4: he was in South America. So I know a lot

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Speaker 4: of Chicagoans are very happy about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah for sure. Okay, well, thank you, Happy Halloween.

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Speaker 4: Happy Halloween.

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Speaker 2: That's Rich's cousin, father Tim,