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Speaker 2: You're my kind of weather.

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Speaker 3: Leader fan fan Radio Network Brian Yes and KFA dot

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Speaker 3: Com very well played by Brett Blakemore. Back at headquarters

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Speaker 3: two minutes fourteen seconds past the hour three o'clock Central

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Speaker 3: Standard time, we welcome you back to a very special,

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Speaker 3: perhaps even emotional edition of the Bumper to Bumper program

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Speaker 3: from downtown Minneapolis. Fortunately we are not outdoors. We're the

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Speaker 3: skyway level Target Center, back at the Target Center KH

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Speaker 3: for the first time during the twenty twenty five twenty

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Speaker 3: six National Basketball Association season. Unless I forgot, were we

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Speaker 3: here once before? No, this is the first thing, says first.

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Speaker 3: And this is late, admittedly, but it's about time, so.

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Speaker 2: We're delighted to be here.

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Speaker 3: Guardsy is back, sounds like Common is still in the

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Speaker 3: chair as well, looking for his keys or lunch something.

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Speaker 3: And my name is Dan Barrero, forming Stained Wretch newspaper

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Speaker 3: of the Twin Cities. We are going the distance today,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, three until six thirty. We have an outstanding

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Speaker 3: array of guests that will be part of the festivities today,

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Speaker 3: several of them on location here at the cage spot

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Speaker 3: where there is no discernible windshill in the Target Center

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Speaker 3: skyway right, big difference.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no wind, no, no tempts, no exploiting trees.

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Speaker 2: You got into that.

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Speaker 3: This this booth has been improved and enhanced over the years.

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Speaker 3: We've got fancy new headsets, which means nothing to the

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Speaker 3: audience but everything to us, because there's generally over the years,

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Speaker 3: there's a fifty to fifty chance that when we wrapped

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Speaker 3: up the show, if we were staying and went down

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Speaker 3: to the media area, somebody would look at my right

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Speaker 3: ear and go, what the hell happened? And it would

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Speaker 3: be a piece of the headset, a rubber piece of

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Speaker 3: the headset that it adhered to my ear lobe that

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Speaker 3: has been taken of. Now, new equipment, they might want

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Speaker 3: to update the signage, and they still might want to

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Speaker 3: close circuit to a rod and Mark LORI fix your

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Speaker 3: audio system so that we could actually be piped in

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Speaker 3: to the skyway area.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is that too much to ask?

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Speaker 4: At some point, hopefully by the playoffs, still have that

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Speaker 4: thing ironed.

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Speaker 5: Dowt.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're going to ask the CEO.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to the seat, We'll try to get the

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Speaker 3: CEO going on that subject.

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Speaker 2: He is joining at what time? Was at five five.

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Speaker 2: Matt Caldwell, yes, who I've met once.

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Speaker 3: Had a nice conversation with him at his is palatial

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Speaker 3: while he had several offices. You know what I noticed

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Speaker 3: about CEOs, They not only have several offices, they have

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Speaker 3: several cell phones. They I think he had like four

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Speaker 3: different cell phones. Yeah, one is not enough. Apparently two

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Speaker 3: is not enough. So maybe we'll talk to him about that.

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Speaker 3: A lot to get to regarding the increases that were

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Speaker 3: in terms of ticket price, the season ticket prices, especially,

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Speaker 3: a lot of reaction, a lot of fear and loathing

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Speaker 3: on that. We'll get into that subject with him.

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Speaker 4: You heard the new arena, Well you heard the other

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Speaker 4: follow up that I don't think I even told you.

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Speaker 4: Our price to broadcast here today was increased by fifteen percent.

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It was part of the religion who knows buried in

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Speaker 2: We got kicked up fifteen to eighty. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Alan, the new arena, I'd be fine with that. Actually,

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Speaker 3: Alan Horton's going to join on location at four thirty. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Johnny Athletic. At four o'clock I had texted Belinda but

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Speaker 3: to do a quick weather hit. We know a lot

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Speaker 3: of schools have already announced, yeah, they're closing tomorrow. This

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Speaker 3: will be one of the rare occasions where I will

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Speaker 2: Here's what's weird.

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Speaker 3: I thought I heard earlier today that the worst wind

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Speaker 3: they're talking about windshills of minus forty And I've told

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Speaker 2: Where did it go? Because I just don't feel like we've.

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Speaker 3: Was that the polar vortex era. That was either that

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Speaker 3: And this is the first time we've been told to

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Speaker 2: So is that real? Well, here's the way it was

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Speaker 3: It's real, But it's also a terroristic term because they

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Speaker 3: this case, it's like they might crack, got it, But

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Speaker 3: they're not any danger to you. I guess if you

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Speaker 3: can't remember the name of the weather guy who did this.

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Speaker 3: A national guy. He got like, of course, seven million clicks.

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Speaker 3: So he's saying I want he said, you can be

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Speaker 2: It had never never once in my life.

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Speaker 3: People know me, and they immediately brought it to my

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Speaker 2: Oh boy.

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Speaker 3: So and I use that term very loosely, not in

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Speaker 2: We're going to find a way to wedge it into Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Oh and not surprisingly, people said not going to work

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Speaker 3: So the backpedal the serwanga was we're gonna probably close Friday.

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Speaker 3: In fact, now I think that's official. There in a

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Speaker 3: i mean, somebody who's gonna get annoyed no matter what

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Speaker 3: And I'm assuming other schools have already called it quits.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of them for the reasons of yep.

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Speaker 3: So this is I mean, this is real Minnesota weather.

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Speaker 3: We're getting right, This is authentic Minnesota weather. I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying I'm reveling in it because I don't particularly like it.

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Speaker 3: I feel like, well, yeah, this is what I've been

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Speaker 4: Well, it's the weather that when you're in Eugene, Oregon,

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Speaker 2: How work. That's the type of weather stretch that we're in.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Well again, I think historically, you know, my

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Speaker 2: It is January in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but even by those standards, I think this is

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Speaker 3: prove your tough guy in this weather. Here's the litmus

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Speaker 3: test for me. Does Ben gesling like tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Will he run?

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Speaker 3: Fifteen miles outside tomorrow with a windshill approaching minus forty.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about the length, but I guarantee you

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Speaker 3: Because he feels like I want to prove to you. Yes,

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's sensible. No, it's stupid. Yeah, even if

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Speaker 3: you're capable of doing it. Yes, but he'll probably do it.

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Speaker 4: I think he probably will, especially if it gets back

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Speaker 4: to him that we've challenged him on the radio or

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Speaker 4: the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think he will do it. How popular, how.

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Speaker 3: Well populated will the many many cycling paths and lanes

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Speaker 3: and Saint Paul, how many of them will be used?

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Speaker 2: They'll be I bet there'll be something.

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Speaker 4: They'll put the fat tires up, But do the gears

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Speaker 4: like even work when it's the bike would just freeze

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Speaker 4: and not be able to even move.

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Speaker 2: So this is for me, layers weather.

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Speaker 3: The key to this isn't the bulk of the big

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Speaker 2: I am wearing a big jacket that I hardly ever wear.

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Speaker 3: It's giving yourselves layers, correct, Yes, Like right now, how

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Speaker 3: many layers do you have on?

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Speaker 3: We are back from Tariet Center location. Sean Salisbury is

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Speaker 1: I'm good? How many sponsors are there? I can't now.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can be you, you can be happy.

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Speaker 7: I think being the the old Maytag repair man and

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Speaker 7: I don't like being that way, and I'm sure I

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Speaker 8: You always exactly talk about it, and now we've got.

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Speaker 7: Everyone hunker down. We're having frozen pizza for dinner tonight

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Speaker 1: But it really gets black.

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Speaker 7: As we get into Saturday. We lose the wind, so

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Speaker 5: I don't want to I don't want to promise.

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Speaker 2: If you have no choice, that's what that's part of

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Speaker 2: And a lot of cold as well. Is this all

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're we're one of the ingredients to that package.

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Speaker 8: It still results in the same thing for us.

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Speaker 7: It's nasty cold, it's a dangerous cold. But down I mean, Dan,

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Speaker 8: Some form of winter weather warning.

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Speaker 1: And that you know, you look. So the winter storm.

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Speaker 7: Warnings go from all of all of Texas, through Oklahoma

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Speaker 8: Well you know what that does there?

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Speaker 7: In New York could see fifteen inches of snow. Is

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Speaker 1: Where's where's my new mintains?

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Speaker 8: Now they're stuck somewhere, They're not coming. But it's a

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Speaker 7: System and we're just we're a little part of it

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Speaker 3: So is this this stew I mean how does it

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Speaker 3: Is it just an unusually strong coal front from Canada

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Speaker 2: How do we get to this?

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Speaker 3: And how unusual is it even by you know, average

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Speaker 7: Well, we haven't had we haven't had a storm set

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Speaker 7: Do you think about a NASCAR a car and a

445
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Speaker 7: NASCAR track, Like you're going two hundred and twenty miles

446
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 7: down the straight away and you turn the wheel, but

447
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 7: the car still really wants to go straight. That's why

448
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 7: they bank those corners. So in meteorology, I'm going to

449
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 7: get in the weeds for you.

450
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 8: Here, grab your weed whacker.

451
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Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm ready.

452
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Speaker 7: Absolutely meteorology, we call a morticity maximum of fort max.

453
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 7: It's the amount of spin you can impart on a

454
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 7: parcel of air as it runs through a corner, as

455
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 7: it runs through a curve, and that curve is the

456
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 7: jet stream. The jet stream is actually going to spawn

457
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 7: its own personal area of low pressure over the Carolinas

458
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Speaker 7: by about late Friday night into Saturday, and that becomes

459
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Speaker 7: the big moisture engine for all of this cold air

460
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Speaker 7: that we're throwing down toward the mid Atlantic.

461
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Speaker 1: That's how that I mean we're talking about ask forrticity.

462
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 3: That was well done because you found a way, you

463
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 3: used a good analogy that more people can relate to,

464
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 3: and and you didn't get too nerdy with it.

465
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Speaker 2: I think that was a perfect combination.

466
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Speaker 3: We're tight on time because we've got Sean Salisbury at

467
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Speaker 3: about in the hour.

468
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you a more general question.

469
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Speaker 3: I have maintained, as a person who grew up in

470
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Speaker 3: the Chicago area that at times.

471
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Speaker 2: If I if I'm in downtown.

472
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Speaker 3: Chicago and it's twenty degrees above, I have sometimes felt

473
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,959
Speaker 3: colder than I have felt here when it's zero or

474
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Speaker 3: minus five. On the basis of the likelihood that the

475
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Speaker 3: dampness of the cold in Chicago, based on Lake Michigan,

476
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: actually makes it feel more bone chilling, is that provable, demonstrable.

477
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that or is that nonsense?

478
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 7: One hundred and ten percent correct. And my anecdotal evidence

479
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 7: there is my parents were from England and my my

480
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 7: mom and we would call it you know that's spelled mum.

481
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Speaker 7: In this case, my mom would say, the damp cold

482
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 7: goes right through you. Yeah, you'd have to wear three

483
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 7: coats and you still get cold when the here is damp.

484
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 7: It has it has a different varying degree on everybody.

485
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Speaker 8: But I think you're one hundred percent right.

486
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know you're from Chicago.

487
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 8: I got to start talking slower.

488
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 3: Well, put it this way. I mean, I say I'm

489
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 3: from Chicago. I was actually born in Gary, Indiana. But

490
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 3: that gets ripped so much that I tend to fudge

491
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Speaker 3: on that a little bit, even though I spent the

492
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Speaker 3: first twelve years of my life in uh in the

493
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Speaker 3: Steel City, Gary, Indiana. I wish we had more time.

494
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: You're the best, outstanding work on short notice. We appreciate

495
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: you and we'll be in touch.

496
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 7: Thanks man, Thanks stay warm, have a great weekend you too.

497
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: Take care. Ian Leonard with great stuff all across the board. Ben,

498
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: you know you.

499
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: Don't ever know who you're gonna run into it. Believe

500
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: Center Skyway, isn't it. There's there's basketball executives coming our way.

501
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 3: Then you may find a baseball executive out of nowhere

502
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 3: and a manager and a manager it's.

503
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 4: As good as a guest. They look like they're in lockstep. Yeah,

504
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 4: that's they're aligned in their vision. It's early, we exactly,

505
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 4: it's early. We just signed a reliever. It didn't we

506
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,239
Speaker 4: bring back Tay Rodgers. We did, Yeah, I think for

507
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 4: two millions pulled them. Yeah, we probably should have.

508
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 3: Bottom of the hour break, Sean Salisbury is coming up.

509
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 3: An array of outstanding characters stopping by our Target Center

510
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 3: cage location as well before we wrap things up at

511
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Speaker 3: six thirty.

512
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Speaker 2: Don't go away. Well, there'd be a decent.

513
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 3: Amount of basketball conversation today from given our location, the

514
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 3: Target Center's cage. The Wolves back in action tonight hosting

515
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 3: the Chicago Bulls. But there's gonna be some football discussion

516
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: right now with our good friend Shawn Salisbury kind of

517
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: enough to join us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline.

518
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Speaker 2: Mister Salisbury, how are you doing well?

519
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 5: Dan?

520
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: Anybody We're doing well?

521
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: We're We just had a weather guy on we're having,

522
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: even by Minnesota standards, an extraordinary cold snap that will

523
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: drop windshills tomorrow morning to minus forty, which doesn't even

524
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 3: seem possible, but you've been here long enough to know

525
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: that it's possible every once in a while.

526
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 2: So this is like the coldest weather I guess.

527
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: In the coldest I guess front or weirdest front, most

528
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 3: intense in like forty years, apparently.

529
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Speaker 5: And we're complaining here because Sunday it's going to be

530
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 5: twenty six degrees one high, and we're like, what in

531
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Speaker 5: the world, everybody, you go to the grocery store in

532
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 5: the apart you guys are walking around in short sleeves

533
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 5: twenty six degrees Yes, I do know, and Dan, you

534
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 5: know that's the real quick that's the the thing that stood.

535
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 5: And having played in Minnesota, I was prepared for this

536
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 5: because of Winnipeg obviously. Oh that's right, it was Remember

537
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 5: I remember that was where I went and the great,

538
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 5: great God Rest is soul, Paul Wigan and me in

539
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 5: in that group. But know I did. I love that man,

540
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 5: and I'm sure a lot of people in this everybody

541
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Speaker 5: in Minnesota does. But when I probably it was like

542
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 5: we never practice We didn't have an indoor practice facility

543
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 5: at the Peck, so when it was bad, you know,

544
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 5: there went through We went through like a four my

545
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 5: first year. They're like four or five, six, seven, eight

546
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Speaker 5: days in a row where it was minus forty forty

547
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 5: five win show Man. It was crazy and it was

548
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 5: the first time I'd ever experienced pull into a grocery

549
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 5: store and happened to all the cars have those plug

550
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 5: ins where you plug him into the grocery. I'm like

551
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 5: what and then you try it once, you say come on,

552
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 5: and then twenty minutes later you come out garden and start.

553
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 5: We had to practice, and we did. Our stadium was

554
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 5: our We had a grass field, not a husium, but

555
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 5: good enough you could full. And then we had our

556
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 5: stadium right next to it and it did not matter.

557
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 5: I can remember one day for practice. That was the

558
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 5: year we won the Great Cup too. Maybe we were

559
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 5: just tough minded because it was that bad, but we

560
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 5: had like it snowed like crazy, and then the cold hit.

561
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 5: It was too cold to snow, so you know that

562
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 5: snow kind of started to freeze over like ice. They

563
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 5: had the skiploaders out there moving it, and we had

564
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 5: like twenty five yards of practice field because it was

565
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 5: piling up, and I'm like, man alive, I'm from San Diego.

566
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 5: What am I doing? We wouldn't won a great Cup.

567
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,239
Speaker 5: I end up playing in Minnesota, so I do create it.

568
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 5: I just don't want to get it very long, So

569
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Speaker 5: please be safe out there. It was and I'm not

570
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 5: going to complain one bit about twenty six degrees in Houston.

571
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Speaker 3: Is there such a thing with that, you know, experience

572
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: of as insane as it sounds, you actually acclimating or

573
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: getting used to it or do you never get used

574
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Speaker 3: to it?

575
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Speaker 2: You just get through it because you got to get

576
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Speaker 2: through it.

577
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we're here. Oh they've they've they've been

578
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 5: in it before, they get used to it. Tell me, sit, well,

579
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 5: let me ask you this here in Minnesota when I

580
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 5: was there, I never got used to having coffee and

581
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 5: waking up the next morning. For after you're in it

582
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 5: for two years. In my third year in Minnesota, decide,

583
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm used to this now? You just

584
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 5: learned to adapt and adjust. It kind of goes with playing, yes,

585
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 5: And I was fortunate in my career, you know, and

586
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 5: we had some really good games, not only in Winnipeg,

587
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 5: with the game in Denver when it was snowing and

588
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,239
Speaker 5: close teams and I don't know why that is, but

589
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 5: especially a kid from San Diego in California, but I

590
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 5: think it's mental. You used to watch far of talk

591
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 5: about this or guys like you know when back in

592
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 5: the day when Bud wouldn't let him wear gloves. When

593
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 5: they say, you do build up a mental toughness to it,

594
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 5: because you know, both teams got play, no question, we

595
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: got to show up. They're not canceling the game due

596
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 5: to cold. If it's you know, it can be ninety

597
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 5: five degrees when lightning, we're canceling. It can be minus

598
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 5: fifty six. They're fifty nine dan fouts against Cincinnati and

599
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 5: they're not canceled. But you can't even Bob Hayes and

600
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 5: the free you know in the eye, hands and pants, right,

601
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 5: so we don't. So you just got point, well, if

602
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 5: I'm going to be freezing, and then they are too,

603
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 5: so you just kind of learned to deal with it.

604
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 5: And it really does come down. When people asked me,

605
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 5: I said, I think it's just mental toughness. You're never

606
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 5: used to. You just you adapt to it. And it's

607
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 5: brutal and it's miserable, but you got no choice because

608
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 5: you're not going to make the excuse, well, it was

609
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 5: too cold for somebody wants to hear that.

610
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 3: There's an art to it, clearly, and maybe you pointed,

611
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: you touched on maybe it's more mental than physical, because

612
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: I you know, I remember all the previews that were

613
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: done before the Rams Bears game. And you know, people say, well,

614
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: you can't say the Rams can't handle it, because they've

615
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: got a lot of players who grew up in colder conditions.

616
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: But my assumption was, over a period of time, if

617
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: you're used to practicing in seventy degrees, no matter where

618
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: where you grew up, I would tend to think that

619
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: it would make it harder to get prepared. Ultimately, the

620
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: Rams held in and they won that game. But do

621
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: you buy that notion that it can be more challenging

622
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: if for a period of time you're practicing day after

623
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: day in conditions that are very different than what they

624
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: were in Chicago and what they are here right now.

625
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't think there's any question when we say

626
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 5: you got to adapt, Listen, part of adapting is how

627
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 5: do you adjust your practice schedule? And I remember when

628
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 5: Burnsy was our So when we'd go play Tampa, we

629
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 5: adjusted the other one. We wanted to go practice and

630
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: we had our little bubble on the field there, but

631
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 5: we wanted to go. We went there and we got

632
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 5: our rear in handed to us with it like four

633
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 5: days early. It was a business trip, but we didn't

634
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 5: play like it. But and it was like eighty five

635
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 5: degrees there, right, Yeah, So we went there and go

636
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 5: a couple of days early other than the day before,

637
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 5: and it does. But the reverse is definitely true because

638
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 5: what happens is you start well, the mental toughness does

639
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: come into play the week leading up to that, where

640
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 5: you got to be mentally tough, Well, you're not going

641
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 5: to the cold is still going to be cold. The

642
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 5: ball's going to feel like a shot put, you know,

643
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 5: ten pounds shot put, catching it, throwing it, kicking it,

644
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 5: getting hit. But it's the practice time leading up in

645
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 5: preparation that this is the stuff that we've done all year.

646
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 5: Are we going to be able to get this done

647
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 5: if we're out more practicing And you sure don't want

648
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 5: to practice indoors if you're prepared for it, and how

649
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 5: do you simulate it if you're the rams right, you

650
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. I understand you simulated if you're

651
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 5: the packers, because you also we'll just take the week

652
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 5: and practice in it. So you try to. But it's

653
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 5: still going to be cold, it's still a pain in

654
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 5: the rear end, and it's still the execution of it.

655
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 5: And you may have twenty two guys that are good

656
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 5: with it, you may have twenty four other cats that

657
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 5: are like And the worst thing about it, Dan, And

658
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 5: that's why when you go from hot cold, you eventually

659
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 5: like the big fellas. You know they're playing, they're hitting

660
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 5: every time, so you get they start to roll in

661
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: and some of them will even work up a sweat

662
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 5: in twenty five degrees. God bless the big fellas that

663
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: they are playing every snap and the beat on somebody.

664
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 5: The worst part is halftime. I've been in a couple

665
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 5: of games where it's so cold, and we were playing

666
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 5: in that Giant's playoff game in Minnesota. It was that

667
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 5: wet cold you know, where it's raining and myth, but

668
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 5: it's cold enough, the winds blowing in the meadowlands. Going

669
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 5: into halftime sucked because what happened is now you loved

670
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 5: it going in, but it's twelve minutes and you're coming

671
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 5: back out and you got to re warrant. It's I

672
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 5: wanted to like we did high school. You know, Oh

673
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 5: it's halftime. Go over there and grab some soup on

674
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 5: the sidelines and let's all stay out here and start

675
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 5: halftime five minutes later, you know, regardless of what TV

676
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: wants us to do. So, yes, there's an listen. If

677
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 5: it was that easy, everybody'd have those great records and

678
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 5: could do it like Fran did, or like Targetent or

679
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 5: like Bar. But yeah, it's pain of rearing. But it

680
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 5: really does come down to listen. It's ten degrees, the

681
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 5: ball is going to be apart, and you saw some

682
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 5: drops in those games for sure. England game, we saw drops,

683
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 5: and it does affect you. But I'm convinced that the

684
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 5: practice time leading into it in metal toughness are probably

685
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 5: the two things you'd have to overcome.

686
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: Sean Salisbury kind enough to join us on this Thursday afternoon.

687
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: I know you know Chuck Foreman. We have had Chuck

688
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: on many times over the years. Great loyalist to this

689
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: program and obviously an all time great of Minnesota Viking.

690
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: He used to tell us stories back in the met

691
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: Stadium days of some mysterious concoction that either the trainers

692
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: or somebody with the vikings came up with that they

693
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: would have. Wasn't it a halftime guards See, they'd go

694
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: into the locker room at halftime and there'd be all

695
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: these little glasses of whatever this mysterious drink was. They'd

696
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: drink it and it would warm them up a little

697
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: bit and feel a little bit better. I don't know

698
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: that he's ever told us. I don't even know if

699
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: he knew what that was about. So there are endless stories,

700
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: you know, in law of cold weather lore that goes

701
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: to that sort of thing where somebody comes up with

702
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: some idea that allegedly is going to help you. I

703
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: don't know if you ever had that kind of opportunity,

704
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: but he did.

705
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 5: We didn't have that because we didn't have to play

706
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 5: at Metropolitan Stadium.

707
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: That's true, right, Yeah, that's true.

708
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 5: Practice part of it. But well, my philosophy on that is,

709
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 5: don't know, don't ask if you want to turn it

710
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 5: into a business opportunity. Didn't do no do as to

711
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 5: tell him five how we could bottle it and sell

712
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: it for a billion dollars Because everybody wanted. But yeah, Chuck, listen,

713
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 5: Chuck was Marcus Allen, who was Ladanian, Thomas D's marketball,

714
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: the ability to catch and run all that. So I'm

715
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 5: not arguing with Chuck. Listen to old school. There's a

716
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 5: lot of ways you had to get by. And yes,

717
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 5: I know Chuck Well and his son Jay, And matter

718
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 5: of fact, I just talked to Jay in the last

719
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 5: couple of days. So loved the family and such admiration

720
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 5: for the way Chuck went about his game too. And

721
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 5: I'm sure he made it look like the cole didn't

722
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 5: bother him. No, he was a hundred year old leather.

723
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: The spin doctor, one of the great nicknames for him

724
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: because the ability he had to kind of pirouette on

725
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: the field.

726
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: All right, give me for you.

727
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: Your biggest surprise over the divisional round weekend. That just

728
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: just concluded what what surprised you or shocked you the most?

729
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 5: If any how, how bad and far CJ. Stroud's following, Yeah, yeah,

730
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 5: okay carries over into the now. Listen. He can still

731
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 5: throw it and play it, doesn't mean a hack. He's

732
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 5: a good player, but just how inefficient They would have

733
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 5: lost to Pittsburgh if Pittsburgh doesn't score two touchdowns. He

734
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 5: laid it on the ground four or five times, the

735
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 5: turn it over what tend being ten or eleven times,

736
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 5: nine times in two hours, and he struggled for the

737
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 5: last two years. If I go back to his rookie

738
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 5: year and show you tape to now, just on the

739
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 5: way he's handling this skittish part of in the pocket,

740
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 5: if you'd told me we were going to look like

741
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 5: this two years later, I'd have been shocked. That's one

742
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 5: of them. And the fact that I know that we

743
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 5: are so quarterback centric dan in the league, but I've

744
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 5: been preaching this with the Buffalo Bills. It was a good,

745
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 5: you know, good game, but just how reliant and it

746
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 5: can be a great thing but can also be negative.

747
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 5: How reliant on they are on If Josh Allen doesn't

748
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 5: play great, they're not winning it. Now, good point proved

749
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 5: it he turns out because and I know that's a

750
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 5: burden to bear, that's part of being a great player.

751
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 5: But I think those two stick out. And just you know, people,

752
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 5: what about the forty nine ers. We forty nine ers

753
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 5: that you and I almost played on their rosters with

754
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 5: so I caught up probably yeah, I sure did I that.

755
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 5: And you know what, maybe on the other side, who

756
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 5: I think is going to end up being the coach

757
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 5: near in Brabel. Just how tough both of their team

758
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 5: is on both sides of the ball. You know, I

759
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 5: know what we talked about the quarterback. But Dan, if

760
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 5: I were to say, and you're a big football guy

761
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 5: and saw am I at the beginning of the year,

762
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 5: if I'd have said, give me, give me eight to

763
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 5: their starters on offense, could you have done it? No?

764
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 5: No chance, agreed, And I'm not sure the guys who

765
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 5: are doing the game like the opener, without looking at

766
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 5: their place sheet call sheet would have known how their

767
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 5: boards wouldn't know how to do it either. They kind

768
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 5: of remind me of Indiana. A lot of guys. Maybe

769
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 5: you don't know some stars, gigs and Drake May's becoming

770
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 5: one Mendoza and a good receiver. But in truth that

771
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 5: you kind of go in and they just do everything.

772
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: They don't beat themselves. Indiana never beat themselves. Now defeat it.

773
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 5: And there's teams that are more talented than New England,

774
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 5: but the buy in that they've got from Brabel and

775
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 5: the way they're playing, So I mean I just named

776
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 5: it three or four. But the biggest one for me is,

777
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 5: and maybe it's because I'm located in Houston, is just

778
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 5: how poor c J. Stout played in the two playoff games,

779
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 5: and in particular the last round.

780
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: It's hard.

781
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to overstate that you're you're one hundred

782
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: percent right, and obviously well Aikman, I think on the

783
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: broadcast talked a lot about it as well.

784
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: That he's pretty direct.

785
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's just like you too. Is there some things

786
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 5: he has to go to work on a stunt.

787
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: Personal No, he doesn't do it with venom. He just

788
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: he observed.

789
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: He just lays it out and and obviously has the

790
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: credibility to do it. Help me from a quarterback standpoint,

791
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: help me understand the Obviously, the Bears Rams game was

792
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: very entertaining, very exciting. We know about and I want

793
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: to talk a little bit about the the Caleb throw

794
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: into the end zone that seemed to almost trump what

795
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: he had done the week before on the fourth and long.

796
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: But I need help from you on Okay, they it's

797
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: playing out perfectly for the Bears in overtime, right, they

798
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: win the toss, and what you're supposed to do with

799
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: the with the postseason overtime rules, you do you basically

800
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: kick and then you'll know immediately whether you need three

801
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: seven or whatever you need. They stop the rams, get

802
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: the punt, start driving, they get to the fifty, and

803
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: then of course that's when the interception took place. I

804
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: saw that play as the kind of risk that you

805
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: don't or that he didn't need to take in that

806
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: situation because you're not desperate, you're in position to win

807
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: the game, you're not behind. Other people said, no, it's

808
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: just the receiver did the wrong route and he's got

809
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 3: to trust the receiver because this stuff is very sophisticated.

810
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: So what did you see on that play? What do

811
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: you think?

812
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I and it's it's crazy. If the Bears have

813
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 5: learned how to play the first three quarters like they

814
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 5: do the fourth, we'd still be talking about it. But

815
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 5: I think there's a couple of factors that come into

816
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 5: this one. And whenever I'm watching Ben Johnson coach, I

817
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 5: ask it every week, what are you doing? But he's

818
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 5: a coaching his day have good at it, but he

819
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 5: he doesn't get away from now whether that was the

820
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 5: first read or not, you know, because it was down

821
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 5: the field. It was like the sail route he's supposed

822
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 5: to break. I'll get to that second. Is Ben's not

823
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 5: backing off, whether it's going forward on fourth down. I mean,

824
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 5: he that's who he is, and you could tell he

825
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 5: trusts more and more especially late his team and his quarterback.

826
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 5: I'm with you, as the great Tom Moore and I

827
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 5: may have said on this, he always used to tell

828
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 5: us Dan, don't play scared, just on this right there

829
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 5: you go, and so correct it is. And then that

830
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 5: sounds easy, but it really is that simple. And Caleb

831
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 5: and him trying to coach him out of that will

832
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 5: be a mistake moving forward. You just can't coach him.

833
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 5: I don't want to coach that out of it, but

834
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 5: I would like to coach into him. If Caleb Williams

835
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 5: learns how to be boring it over. Yes, I'm just

836
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 5: telling you it is because there's nobody I'm talking about

837
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 5: Lamar Josh, Allen Mahomes. I'm just saying, when you line

838
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 5: him up and say let's have a Superstars quarterback throwing

839
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 5: running game eleven on eleven seven, I don't care what

840
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 5: it is. There is no more gifted, raw skilled, no

841
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 5: ceiling guy in this league better than him. Now, that

842
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 5: doesn't make you a great quarterback. Yet he's a spectacular

843
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: spectacular town where if I'm a coach, I'm thinking, Man,

844
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 5: if I can ever get him to do this, I'm

845
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 5: gonna be wearing a ring at some point. I just am,

846
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 5: maybe more than one. I'm on that call. First off,

847
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: anybody that says it was a receiver's problem, it was. Now,

848
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 5: you got to be judicious when you're thrown and understand

849
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 5: the situation of the game, where like, Okay, do I

850
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 5: pull this or do I bring it down you. I

851
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 5: would have loved to see him use his feet more in

852
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 5: the game they start it costs. I would have designed

853
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 5: more runs from because you can't tackle the dude, No

854
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 5: you can't. I would have the receiver. He started to

855
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 5: roll out of that. He stopped on the route. But Dan,

856
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 5: that's one of those if it's twelve, roll to fifteen

857
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 5: or what have you, he's got to come back to

858
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 5: for he's got to cut that off. If he doesn't

859
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 5: catch it, you can't let the other guy catch it.

860
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 5: So that's what it was a poor effort and a

861
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 5: crappy route. Secondly, you've got to going back and you're

862
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 5: hoping because you're trying to throw it on time and

863
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 5: not be late with that, that the receiver will do that.

864
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 5: So I get I see what he saw, but I

865
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 5: would have taken that decision out of it concerned that

866
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 5: not in a situation we're down two touchdowns. When we're

867
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 5: in that situation over time, I would have made sure

868
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 5: that the play call didn't give him an opportunity to

869
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 5: make that throat. Does that make sense? That doesn't win

870
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 5: in cold That's I mean for a guy who's got

871
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 5: a howitzer, that's hard throat, and you got to hope

872
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: the route he doesn't slip, he cuts off the right foot.

873
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 5: The defensive plan they were squeezing it. I would have

874
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 5: given him something more simple inside the numbers. I would

875
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 5: have given him something, you know, to take out because

876
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 5: a lot of times when you tell a guy, you know,

877
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 5: give the route, lack happened to Carson beck in that

878
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 5: in the championship game. He premeditated that read from the

879
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 5: time he broke that hunt. He did that because he

880
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 5: had no business throwing that ball there because the safety

881
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 5: ran at the staff if he stares at the safety

882
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: just there. So it was very similar and and it

883
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 5: just so to me, I would have designed a play call.

884
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 5: We always blame it on the quarterback, why did you

885
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 5: throw it? Or the receiver. I think I would have

886
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 5: designed a play to take that part of it out

887
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 5: of it for him and sit down a different situation.

888
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 5: But in that situation, I needed completions. I didn't need desperation,

889
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 5: and I needed just smart stuff, trusting who we were

890
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 5: and especially with your history in the fourth quarter this year,

891
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 5: we're going to be fine. Man, you don't make that throw.

892
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 5: So it's a combination of, well, I didn't like the

893
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 5: call and the route. Listen, if he doesn't write the

894
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 5: balls incomplete, you go, you move on. But that he

895
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 5: made it too easy an interception meeting the receiver, But

896
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 5: the throw before that to get him there that you're

897
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 5: talking about, I see it. It seems like I see

898
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 5: it every week. We're saying, nobody makes that throw. That

899
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 5: may very well be the one you where we're going

900
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 5: to get to. I don't know who can do what

901
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 5: he just did on that.

902
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: I don't well, you know, you know you're you're describing

903
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: good coaching, though, because what you're saying is, yeah, you

904
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: can put some of that on the receiver. But I

905
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 3: have influence as the head coach to take away that

906
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: even being an option that I want my quarterback to

907
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: consider under those circumstances. That that's a great example of

908
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: how coaches can sort of take away some of that

909
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: risk simply by what they what they call for on

910
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: that plays as among the options.

911
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 5: Right, that's certain part of the game band you did

912
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 5: as a coach. You you this is the old you know,

913
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 5: help your player, yes, help himself, keep him out of

914
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 5: his own way. It's like an injury we got. The

915
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: concussion used to be where the players say, oh, I'm

916
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 5: good when he wasn't good. So we've taken that decision

917
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 5: away from the player to get out of his own way.

918
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 5: Right in this, in that situation with Ben uh Yes,

919
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 5: in training, quarterbacks are doing it and I've I've tested

920
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 5: this at a camp or anything. Call a play in

921
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 5: the huddle, like when we're playing seven on seven or

922
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 5: you know when when you're at a camp and it's competitive,

923
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 5: call a play that has a go route in it

924
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 5: for a young quarterback. You know what they do Automatically

925
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 5: they're throwing it, They're going to drop back into it

926
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 5: because they're thinking it's a deep ball. It's spectacular. It's

927
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 5: the home run. They don't look at the coverage. Now,

928
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams is talented, but even that, even if he

929
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 5: as a veteran, but as a guy who's been in

930
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 5: the league a couple of years, what's the thought process

931
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 5: we're going down We've been I've played hero ball plenty

932
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 5: this year. Putting the ball in my hand. This is

933
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 5: another throw I can make. He doesn't anticipate obviously, More's

934
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 5: route and the rest of it. But think about now,

935
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 5: I eliminate it from him and give him five safer

936
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 5: or four safer if you keep in the back end

937
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 5: or three guys out, or he doesn't have to pull

938
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 5: that trigger because most of us quarterbacks live with if

939
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 5: it's there, I'm an rip it well in that situation,

940
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 5: I don't need you to even think about that. So

941
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 5: when you pre when you tell a player, hey, man,

942
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 5: we're running nine eighty nine go, they hear that ooh

943
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 5: still got to read the cover and you still got

944
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 5: to throw it. Now the receiver. So if you take

945
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 5: that out of him and say, hey, we're running seventy

946
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 5: y option where we got a hitch, an option route,

947
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 5: and a dig route on the backside where they're all

948
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 5: in front of you, where it's not a high risk throw.

949
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 5: I've taken that decision out of it, and he put

950
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 5: it in his hands, and unfortunately the whole thing didn't work.

951
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 5: But Ben Johnson could have helped by not having that

952
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 5: route run because that's a tough ball to throw in

953
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 5: good weather indoors, let alone outdoors. In that situation, I

954
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 5: didn't believe he needed to do it, but I'm not

955
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 5: going to question Ben Johnson's ability to call plays. I

956
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 5: think if he had it back, he wouldn't have allowed

957
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 5: Caleb to make that decision because they were going just

958
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 5: fine in the fourth quarter and overtime.

959
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: Let's finish with this.

960
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 3: If koc calls you tonight and asks for your counsel

961
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: on what the Vikings should do at the quarterback position

962
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty six, would you console him that you

963
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: are even if you believe in JJ and don't want

964
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: to give up on him at all, and I know

965
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: you do, would you tell him your obligated coach to

966
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: give yourself a viable option that's more than just your

967
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 3: run of the mill backup quarterback, a guy who really

968
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: could potentially be a starter or at least a guy

969
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: that you could hand the reins to for a number

970
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: of games. If McCarthy gets hurt again, what would your

971
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: council be to Koc?

972
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 5: I would tell him, can we backtrack a year and

973
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 5: you can keep Sam Donald and let JJ learn the

974
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 5: right way. That would be my first one. We've talked

975
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 5: about that much. I love I just and Seattle's. Minnesota's

976
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 5: loss has been Seattle's game right, but we're not. We

977
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 5: don't have that vision to go back. In hindsight, we do,

978
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 5: but we can't do it. So I would I'd love

979
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 5: it if you called. My counsel would be find me

980
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 5: the best backup slash starter that's available in this league.

981
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 5: Do you think you can get a guy like Look

982
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 5: what Davis Mills did. I'm just using him as an example.

983
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 5: Find me a guy that if all of a sudden,

984
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 5: JJ quit during training camps and I'm not playing anymore,

985
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna Andrew Lucky NFL. I got other

986
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 5: things I want to do. I'm gonna go be the

987
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 5: gm AT at Michigan. Find me the guy that can

988
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 5: get you to the playoffs. Now I go through a

989
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 5: list to that who's going to be available and all

990
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 5: that stuff, but I would find a guy did I

991
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 5: trust it. And again, I don't mean this disrespectful to

992
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 5: the current crowd, but I'm convinced that before my time,

993
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 5: after my time, they did that the area when when

994
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 5: Steve Young and Steve de Berg and Steve Bono, there's

995
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 5: three Steve. I like to think myself for when Wade

996
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 5: came off the bench go around the league, I felt

997
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 5: like the depth of quarterback after the starter was far better.

998
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 5: I know we're throwing it more, they're putting up numbers.

999
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 5: I'm just talking about maybe the trust that coaches had

1000
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 5: in Jeff Hosteller, right, yeah, right, so, and I think

1001
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 5: you can't. They're hard to find because I think the

1002
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 5: depth of the quarterback at the top heavy guys are

1003
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 5: off the charts, and I think the depth of the

1004
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 5: quarterback position on your own roster depth is a problem

1005
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 5: in the league because it's the most under coach position

1006
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 5: in the league. And the only time they want to

1007
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 5: fix mechanics or get it right is when it's going wrong,

1008
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 5: and it's always going to go wrong at some point

1009
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 5: and say, well why that happened, Well, you haven't coach

1010
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 5: mechanics since twenty twenty four. We got to keep the

1011
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 5: Why does Kiger Woods have a golf swim? I mean

1012
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 5: a golf coach dial in it every time we got it.

1013
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 5: We don't coach it enough. Not saying KOs. I'm talking

1014
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 5: about NFL period. So my suggestion to him would be,

1015
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 5: don't worry about hurt anybodys feelings. This is pro sports.

1016
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 5: Don't worry about JJ McCarthy's feelings. He'll be fine. Let

1017
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 5: him compete. He's used to it. He knows to get

1018
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 5: what I'm talking about in his past. He knows how

1019
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 5: to compete. Let's get it right. Find me the guy

1020
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 5: that feels like a threat to McCarthy's position, not where

1021
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 5: he's allowed and where he's going to disrupt the locker room, right,

1022
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 5: the guy that I know can win for me, not

1023
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 5: going and preserve a game. I'm talking about it for

1024
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 5: four weeks. If I need him, he's pumping it up

1025
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 5: there and he's going. When he comes back, the coaches

1026
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 5: are like, WHOA what am I going to do now?

1027
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 5: Even though they may not play him. That's what a

1028
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 5: team needs. That's what Nick Foles gave Philadelphia when they

1029
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 5: want you got to have a guy that you say oh,

1030
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 5: he can start tomorrow. I'm not bat and Eye, even

1031
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 5: though JJ you know, is going to start to start

1032
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 5: it out. I want the guy who makes it difficult

1033
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 5: for me to have him on the sidelines. That's not

1034
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 5: a disruptor. I want him to disrupt the play. I

1035
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 5: don't want him to disrupt the locker room. Does that

1036
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 5: make sense?

1037
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: It does?

1038
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: Do you have a logical do you have a Is

1039
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 3: there a name or two that's realistic that comes to mind?

1040
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I haven't thought about who's going to

1041
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 5: be available, Like when people say, well, what about Russ Wilson,

1042
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 5: I'm past that point, and I think I'm with you

1043
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 5: on that. I think I think Russ is more concerned

1044
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 5: than I nothing probably going to be in the Hall

1045
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 5: of Fame. I think he's he's more concerned with the

1046
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 5: celebrity part of it than he is the and the

1047
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 5: you know that stuff. And I, you know, I sit

1048
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 5: here and try to think, would it be great to

1049
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 5: have I'll tell you who you know who can win

1050
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 5: games for it? I love and his his personality is

1051
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 5: shifted over the years. I don't even know if he's

1052
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 5: available with his contract. I haven't look, but you know

1053
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 5: who I know can win games for you. He'll get

1054
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 5: a little careless with it. Jameis Winston can hold that down.

1055
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: Interesting name, you can rip it, he can throw it.

1056
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 5: Teammates friggin love him. He's one of the guys in

1057
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 5: the league that he'll take the guy that's beat him

1058
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 5: out out to dinner and tell him what I mean.

1059
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 5: He has shifted the narrative on he understands his role.

1060
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 5: He would not be a disruption. They would friggin love him.

1061
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 5: And if you've got to have him for three weeks,

1062
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 5: guess what you're not going into a game. Matter of fact,

1063
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 5: I'd be willing to bet you three weeks of Jameis Winston.

1064
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 5: Kevin koc he'd shift the way he calls the game too. Oh,

1065
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 5: I'm gonna throw the ball down a few he would,

1066
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 5: and you would see yards. He's a name that just

1067
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 5: pops up because he's been and he's got kicked in

1068
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 5: the teeth, he struggled, He's won games. He's a name

1069
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 5: that comes to mind for me. I'm gonna tell you

1070
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 5: guy who I love. I don't even know what's contract.

1071
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 5: Is it? The McKey kid in Philadelphia, but may be

1072
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 5: nuts let him I think it's McFee or m I

1073
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 5: think it's McFee, isn't it. I can't even think. Yeah,

1074
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 5: and he didn't played here. I'm in football and I

1075
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 5: can't even remember it. But every time I see him. Yes,

1076
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 5: But Jameis Winston and if Davis Mills was available, you

1077
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 5: could trade a fourth rounder for him. Mark trust him

1078
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 5: and isn't a disruptor in the locker room. You need

1079
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 5: that guy. But I also need the guy because you

1080
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 5: better count on four games on every team. That's the

1081
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 5: why I say, give me four games the quarterbacks. That

1082
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 5: was great and that'll be well. That's how Tyler Shook

1083
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Speaker 5: is going to be the starting quarterback in New Orleans

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Speaker 5: and they're not going to get it. They're not gonna

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Speaker 5: draft a quarterback in the first round because of what

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Speaker 5: he did for six weeks. You need that guy somewhere,

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Speaker 5: and uh, there's just a few names that could help.

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Speaker 5: It's okay to compete, It's okay to let guys go

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Speaker 5: in there and be a threat. Hell, in Minnesota, we

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Speaker 5: every year Brad Jim McMahon, Warren Moon, Wade Wilson, Rich

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Speaker 5: Gannon when they had Jeff George and Randall Cunningham, and

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Speaker 5: Brad Johnson. I mean Denny created. I mean he wanted

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Speaker 5: his third guy to be able to play, as did Burns,

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Speaker 5: and so I I need that. And that'll also test

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Speaker 5: the metal of my starting quarterback. How mentally tough is

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Speaker 5: he to save that stuff off?

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Speaker 3: All that is very fair, excellent work. As always, we

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Speaker 3: will be in touch. Thanks my friend, as.

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Speaker 5: Always, all right for keeping you so long. I love this.

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Speaker 2: This is absolutely perfect.

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Speaker 3: Sean Salisbury kind enough to join us via the Knnetico

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Speaker 3: Water Systems hotline. A lot of good football fodder with him.

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Speaker 3: Gianni Athletic is in the house. The house being Target

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Speaker 3: Center Cage. Today, we'll make this a bit late for

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Speaker 3: our top of the Hour break and come back and

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Speaker 3: chat with him on a number of controversial subjects.

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Speaker 2: That's next here in the Fan