1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Michael, what you failed to understand is that it was 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: an American citizen that asked for the President to use 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: paid ice agents to try to relieve the backup at 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: US airports. The way I see it, this is the 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: case of the government responding to its constituent in Arizona. 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Two, I don't care. 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 3: Three if we did. If we were a if we 8 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 3: were a true democracy, that's exactly how it would work, 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: and every person who had some sort of little pissant 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: request about X y Z would put the request in 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 3: and the government respond and do whatever the little pissant 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: request everybody asked just because somebody I get your point, 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: you want to and maybe you're just being a little 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: sorry asking about finally the government finally does something people wanted. 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: Why don't we do something that like eighty four percent 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: of people want, like past the Save Act versus one 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: person asked in Arizona about putting ice in the airports, 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 3: and so we respond to that. But something where the 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: polling shows that eighty four percent of Americans want this past, 20 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: they can't do that. 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: Shut up, mister down I'm just not in the mood 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: for that today. No, I'm not in the mood for 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: that today. 24 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: Oh it's gonna be a good show. 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: I'm in a good mood. Can you start that one? 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: Can you? Can you play the very first part of 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: that one over again, because there's a great point I 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 3: want to make about the way you, the way you 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 3: interact with somebody else has such a huge effect on 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: what the response is going to be. I just need 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: the first. 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: Sentence, Michael, what you fail to understand right there? 33 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: Okay, if you're gonna try to persuade somebody of something 34 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: else that you don't start out by saying, well, you're 35 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: just effing wrong. You just will used to understand. 36 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 2: That. That's that's those are my kids talking to me, Dad. 37 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: You don't understand, Uh, try me. 38 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 4: Let me explain something to you. 39 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: That's right, let me explaining something to you. 40 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: But it's a great it's a great comment in the 41 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: sense that, oh, my god, one person asked for something. 42 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 3: So so that if that's the case, then let's all 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 3: dial two O two four one five ones or whatever. 44 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 3: I can't marry with the White House. I've actually forgot 45 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: because I never use the main White House number. But 46 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: two two four one five whatever. This let's just all 47 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: call and tell them what we want done today. And 48 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: let's see how democracy works, right, because that's democracy. That's 49 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: not a representative form of government. But and there's a 50 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: great example of how a talk back can cause me 51 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: to waste what about six minutes now of programming about 52 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: something else I need to do. It's gonna take the entire. 53 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: Hour, be any other six minutes of your show, though, you. 54 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: Know, if this is the way you're going to be 55 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: for the rest of the day, let's just call it Friday. 56 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 3: And it knew, let's just call it a day. Let's 57 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: just call it the week and forget about it yet 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: And then I did. 59 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: Not get it. 60 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk about this on ever since I've offered 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: her tirade anyway. So I get this text message from 62 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: Temper last night, which is, you know, starts out something 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: kind of funny like, dear sir, because I know he's 64 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: being a smart I think when he does that. 65 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 2: Dear sir. 66 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: And it's something about did you get the messages about X, 67 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: Y and Z. 68 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 4: Oh you made a daily reminder emails? 69 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: You've been seeing those things? Are you on that list? Too? 70 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 3: So the daily reminders about So this is Thursday, March 71 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: twenty six, so the first day of Now. 72 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: I know they needed ahead of time. I know that. 73 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: Monday will be the second. So that's why I set 74 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: my deadline for today or tomorrow for it to get 75 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: certain audio in for what we call our traffic department. 76 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: It's not the traffic like cars, it's the other traffic. 77 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: Just just for claveration. 78 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 4: Monday's the thirtieth, so it there you go, Michael Check's calendar. 79 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: Oh I am, I'm on Yeah, you're right, I'm on 80 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: the right. I'm on the wrong. 81 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: Oh wow, you're right. When it's a it's a week 82 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: from yesterday, you go. Yeah, I scrolled down quite far enough. Anyway, 83 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: I just responded and said, yeah, I did get them, 84 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: and yes, I'm going to do them. I've always done 85 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 3: them on time. They've never been late, unless maybe an 86 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: account exec or somebody else has failed to clarify exactly 87 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: what it is they want. And when I ask questions, 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 3: it takes me two days to get an answer. So anyway, 89 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: we go back and forth. But but you came up. 90 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: You came up in our conversation. I was racked and 91 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: I said, well, you know, because I reminded him that 92 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: you know, by the way, since we no longer have 93 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 3: you know who you know who downstairs, I do these myself, 94 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: so I I have to go home and sit down 95 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: and kick the dogs out of the room and shut 96 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: the door and turn on the you know, my license, 97 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 3: my actual license Adobe audition that I actually paid. 98 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 4: Well, I'm here too. It's just from two thousand and one. 99 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: Two thousand and one, right, And then I record it 100 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: and edit and do it all myself, and then I 101 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: mail it off. And I don't think that there's ever 102 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: been a time when I have not met the deadline, 103 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: other than when someone has failed to provide me the 104 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: information I need to fulfill the deadline. But anyway, I said, 105 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: you know, since we don't have made downstairs, I could 106 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 3: ask you to do them, but I'm not going to 107 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: do that because you don't get paid for me to 108 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: do these things, correct And if you don't get paid 109 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: for me to these things, why would I ask you 110 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: to do it? 111 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 4: Everybody out there's going, what the hell is he talking about? 112 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 4: That Probably the nicest thing you've ever said to me. 113 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: And it'll be the only thing. I'm just trying because 114 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: I really would like to show up for work tomorrow. 115 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: So I'm just trying to resolve the whatever conflicts going 116 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: on between us right now, I just like to try 117 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: to resolve it. 118 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you find the rest of those roaches. 119 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: If I find anywhere. By the way, I speaking to roaches, 120 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: speaking at cockroaches. I get the most freaking hilarious email 121 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: last night from our newsroom from our good friend Nia. 122 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: You know Nia, right, Oh yeah, she's Greatna is absolutely great. 123 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: I love Na. So I get. 124 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: A message at seven to ten pm, break close to 125 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 3: my bedtime. 126 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: You better get those emails in you want me to respond? 127 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 3: And the subject line is hey you two exclamation points 128 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: and I'm now I have to confess because I haven't 129 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 3: heard from Nia because we rarely see each other anymore. 130 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 4: Right, she's a part time news person and she typically 131 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 4: fills in in the evening, right, And I've seen. 132 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: Her occas those Saturdays, but usually in Saturdays it's all 133 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: dark in here. I just run in and I turn 134 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: on access to and go right downstairs restaur I never see. 135 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: But she goes. 136 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: This is what I mean by how you start out 137 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: a conversation. Here's how she starts out her email. You, sir, 138 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 3: are sick and twisted. 139 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 4: What did you do Michael. 140 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I thought. Whatever I did, I'm 141 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: proud of it. 142 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but for a coworker 143 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: to send me an email that starts out, hey, you 144 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: you are sick, You, sir, are sick and twisted. I'm 145 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: thinking I've accomplished something. I've actually accomplished something, and she writes, 146 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: and I love it. 147 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: Ha ha. 148 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: I had to. 149 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: I had to come in and look for the stupid 150 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: cockroaches on your desk. I listened to you, and I 151 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: wake up from the overnight shift years ago at a 152 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: different station. I placed tiny aliens and weird places everywhere. 153 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: I just watched how long it took people to find them. 154 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: Then I placed sasquatches all over. No one ever figured 155 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: out that it was me. Everybody. Everybody is mia and 156 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: there are probably still some of them left. Keep it 157 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: up funny as hell, do I Yeah. The one place 158 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: that we will You and I will have a problem. 159 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: We will have a problem if I find one of 160 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: those damn things in my beamer. 161 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: You're in. You are in Big Dodo. 162 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 4: Which car did you drive today? I drive the Beamer today, 163 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: but you can't get in that. Do you have your 164 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 4: keys on you. My key's on me at. 165 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 5: All times, at all times. I never put my car 166 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 5: keys in my bag. No, I do not do that. No, 167 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 5: And the extra set is at home. 168 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 4: Don't get your wife. 169 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: Don't put yeah she does. 170 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: Don't put cockroaches in my car the jeep. The jeep's 171 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: so dirty anyway from the dogs. I wouldn't be surprised 172 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: or shocked to find a cockroach. So you know, cockroaches, please, 173 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: you know bugs, you know dead animals. 174 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: Weirls. 175 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: Snake tamer's upset last night because she goes out of 176 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: the backyard because she hears her little docks and her 177 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 3: little stupid wire haired dogs. And that's about the size 178 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: of my fist. Was out there kind of guarden snake 179 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: was typical docs in right, just just shaking it to death. 180 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: She had to go rescue the snake because what she does, 181 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: she thws the snake over in the neighbor's yard. 182 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 4: Well, of course, leaving in your yard. 183 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, it was in Roger's yard, 184 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 3: not in Ted's yard or Rob's yard. So I was 185 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: wanting sure my nose yard. 186 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: Was in case. 187 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what I know, for damn sure 188 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: Roger's not listening because Rogers is the neighbor that anytime 189 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 3: there is any sort of election at all, he is 190 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: always on the opposite side of me. I mean, it 191 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 3: could be the election for dog catcher, and if there 192 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: is a Republican running for dog catcher and a Communist 193 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: running for dog catcher, he'll put the communists yard sign 194 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 3: out front. 195 00:09:59,360 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: So there's that. 196 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: Some amazing news happened yesterday after the program. The court 197 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: is the Los Angeles Superior Court. The judge is Carolyn 198 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: Cool She's presiding it is. The plaintiff is a now 199 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: twenty one or twenty year old California woman named Kaylee. 200 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 3: In the court documents, I don't know what Kaylee's last 201 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: name is. 202 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: Maybe you do. I didn't look it up because I 203 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: don't care. Kaylee is. 204 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: In the court document she is identified as the plaintiff KGM. 205 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: So if you hear me talking about KGM, that's not 206 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: the call letters for a radio station or a TV 207 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: station somewhere. That is Kaylee. Somebody who sued Meta I e. Facebook, Google, YouTube, Snap, 208 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: and TikTok. She accused them of intentionally addicting her as 209 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: a child and causing depression and suicidal thoughts. She started 210 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 3: using YouTube at age six, Instagram at age nine, and 211 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 3: she told the jury she was on social media all. 212 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: Day long as a child. 213 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 3: Of course, I also wanted to think, you know, when 214 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: I heard about the case started digging into it. One 215 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: of my first thought was where the parents were. The 216 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: parents the defenders of trial tich talk and Snap. They 217 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: settled before the trial began. That left Meta, Instagram and 218 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 3: Facebook and Google's YouTube. The verdict was delivered yesterday evening. 219 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: The jury found Meta and YouTube. Well, let me just skip. 220 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 3: Let me just get to the story. That's you know, 221 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: those things I got. I broke it down into different components. 222 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: Let's just get to the story itself. I would I would, 223 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: I would say, here's here's how I would describe it. 224 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 3: The damn has broken big tech, big liability. And this 225 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 3: is a verdict is going to change everything. It's not 226 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 3: going to change everything today. Everybody just relax. It's not 227 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: going to change everything by the end of the year. 228 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to change everything by the 229 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: end of the next year. This is and I'll explain 230 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: in a minute, sort of like the tobacco litigation case, 231 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: it's going to change things overall and it's going to change, 232 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 3: perhaps not the way that you consume social media, but 233 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 3: it may change the platform on which you use social media, 234 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: which in turn that may cause you or force you 235 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: to change your habits. 236 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, but here let's go. 237 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: How do we get here? 238 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: The best question is how do we get to this 239 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: point where we have this verdict from yesterday? The story 240 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: of Kgan versus Meta, it didn't start in the Los 241 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: Angeles courtroom in twenty twenty six. It actually began way 242 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 3: back in the twenty tens, the twenty tens checks calendar. Yes, 243 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: it's still twenty twenty six. In a glass walled conference 244 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 3: room in Silicon Valley. That's where the engineers and not 245 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: just engineers. That's bad enough, right, you got? I mean, 246 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: this story has every pathetic profession you can imagine, engineers, 247 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 3: behavioral psychologists. 248 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: And of course lawyers. 249 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 4: Radio host well. 250 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: I said, lawyers right, close enough, close enough, and they 251 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: ask a question that should haunt every single one of 252 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: you that has a child, or a grandchild or a 253 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: great grandchild. The question was how do we make this 254 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: thing impossible to put down? For years, the social media 255 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: industry operated behind this legal fortress so impenetrable it might 256 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: as well have been the Pentagon, And I'm not even 257 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 3: sure about that. The fortress is something called section two 258 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: thirty the Communications Decency Act. That's a law written in 259 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, written before Google even existed, before anyone 260 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 3: imagined anything like a like button, before the word algorithm 261 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 3: was just part of everyday vocabulary. That law, section two 262 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: thirty of the Communications Decency Acts of nineteen ninety six, 263 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: immunized Internet platform the platforms from liability for content posted 264 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 3: by their users. So the original intent was if I 265 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: if I posted something say on Facebook or on x 266 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: formerly Twitter where you can follow me at Michael D. 267 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: Brown just trying to get dragon to beat there. 268 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: Or Instagram Rae Wilson, and it was defamatory or it 269 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: was even illegal content. They were immunized from that because 270 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: I was simply using their platform, and they were operating 271 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: as platforms, not operating as something like a newspaper which 272 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: chooses what it does and does not put into their platform, 273 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: which is a newspaper. It was the there's another example. 274 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: It's it's the legal equivalent of saying the phone company 275 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: is not responsible for what you say when you're having 276 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: a phone conversation with somebody, because if that were the case, 277 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: I'd be soon draging for information all the time. Things 278 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 3: he says to me on the phone are horrible. So 279 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty reasonable concept, right, But it's 280 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: catastrophic and practice because when the phone company turns out 281 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: to be actively engineering the calls so that you become 282 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: incapable of hanging up and they're still charging you by 283 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: the minute. Wow, at that point you ventured into probably 284 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: illegal activity. So for decades from nineteen ninety six, for decades, 285 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: section two thirty shielded these tech companies from liability for 286 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: content that you would post. 287 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: And every time a plane of final. 288 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: Lawsuit, and every time a grieving parent walked into a 289 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: lawyer's office with a dead child's phone in hand, the 290 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: tech company's lawyers rolled out section two thirty like a 291 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: welcome mat at the courthouse door, and the plaintiffs slipped 292 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 3: on that welcome mat every single time until the plaintiffs 293 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: lawyers figured out eight different. 294 00:15:59,240 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Door to go in. 295 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: Let's quit going in this door section two thirty, let's 296 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: go around to the side door. So what they did 297 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: they successfully reframed social media harm as a product liability 298 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: issue that allowed them to bypass section two thirty in 299 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: the courtroom. That pivot was surgical, and truthfully, I think 300 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: it was brilliant. Stop arguing about what the kids are 301 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: seeing on the platforms and instead start arguing about how 302 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: the platforms were designed to make it impossible to stop looking. 303 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: So the jurors in the KGM case one we're talking 304 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: about from yesterday were specifically told not to take into 305 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: account the content of the post and the videos that 306 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: KGM saw because the tech companies are, indeed, said the 307 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: court in Los Angeles are shielded from legal responsibility for 308 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: the content posted based on Section two thirty. Instead, this 309 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: case targeted the architecture of addiction, the engineering of compulsion, 310 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 3: so kgam's lawsuit. This lawsuit claims that the platforms were 311 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: defectively designed collect a car defect. Were defectively designed with 312 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: features such as infinite scroll, algorithmic content recommendations, notifications, AutoPlay, 313 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 3: rewarding of engagement systems that foreseeably caused or worsened for depression, anxiety, 314 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: and body dysmorphia. The legal theory became product liability. That's 315 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: the same theory that holds a car manufacturer liable for 316 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: defective brake design, regardless of who's driving. 317 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 5: Michael, you just can't sit down and shut out. You 318 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 5: have to say we all do said sit down and 319 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 5: shut out. 320 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 2: There you go, definitely the way to do it. Sir. 321 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 3: You're right, you're right, you're right, with all due respect, 322 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 3: sit down, shut up. So let's go back to the 323 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: KEGM case. I think the breakthrough in this case came 324 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 3: when the judge back in November of last year, Meta 325 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: Facebook filed a motion for some rejudgment, basically basically saying 326 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 3: that because of Section two thirty, if you apply all 327 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 3: these facts to the law, we're entitled to a summary 328 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: judgment and we don't need to go to trial. Well, 329 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: she overruled the motion for some rejudgment. That's the ruling 330 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: that was the crack in the dam. On February tenth 331 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: of this year, Texas trial lawyer Marked Lanier stood in 332 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: front of that jury in Los Angeles, and this is brilliant, 333 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: I think on his but just in terms of trial tactics, 334 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 3: he's back children's toy blocks. Bill's wants to have the 335 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 3: letters on them, letters and numbers, facing a jury that 336 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 3: said ABC and then he declared to the jury that 337 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: the case before you was about addicting the brains of children. 338 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 3: That's the kind of opening that a jury is going 339 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 3: to remember when they get to deliberations. Now, this guy, 340 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: the name probably doesn't mean anything to you, but this 341 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 3: is the guy that's built a billion dollar verdicts out 342 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: of big tobacco and big pharma cases. Texas trial one 343 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: of the biggest ones in the country. But here he 344 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: wanted to make sure they understood he wasn't trying a 345 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: technology case. He was trying a case about children, and 346 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: about corporate knowledge and about choices that were made for 347 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: profit over safety. 348 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: Here was the killer. 349 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 3: Now, Dragon and I were having an off air debate 350 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: about the responsibility of parents and if you're going to 351 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: give a kid, you know, an an electronic item, lock 352 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 3: it down, control screen time, do all of that, and Dragon, 353 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 3: I totally agree on that. But in this case, the 354 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 3: jury saw something else. And I think part of the 355 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: problem was the internal documents these cases. This is just 356 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: the case that broke the dam, but the cases have 357 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 3: already produced dreams. I mean, just Banker's Box after Banker's Box, 358 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 3: off internal documents that the plaintiffs say show how the executives, Zuckerbird, 359 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 3: all the others put profits over the teen's mental wellness. 360 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: One document discussed during a hearing in a federal California case, 361 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 3: not in this case but in a different case, included 362 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 3: a two thousand and sixteen email from Zuckerberg about Facebook's 363 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: live video feature, in which Zuckerberg wrote this, Facebook would 364 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 3: need to be very good about not notifying parents or 365 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: teachers about teens videos. 366 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: Now. 367 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 3: I think that sentence alone is worth an entire semester 368 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: in a trial advocacy course in. 369 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: Law school on what not to put in an email. 370 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: That's not the kind of thing you put in writing, 371 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: But they did well. 372 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: Kgm's attorney counter that when KGM downloaded a downloaded Instagram 373 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: at age nine, there was no meaningful age verification barriers 374 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 3: in existence. Meta's defense that Zuckerberg acknowledged that children lie 375 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: about their age to use Instagram probably was legally accurate, 376 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 3: but strategically it's probably catastrophic When your best defense, when 377 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 3: Facebook's best defense is that we knew kids were lying 378 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 3: to get in and we didn't stop them, you might 379 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 3: have to go back and think about your insurance policy 380 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 3: and what you're going to have to pay now. The 381 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 3: verdict came after nine days roughly forty three hours of deliberations. 382 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 2: On Monday. 383 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: Before the verdict the jury sent this past Monday, the 384 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 3: jury sent a note to the judge saying that they 385 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: were struggling to reach agreement on one of the two defendants. 386 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: Now there's a warning sign that probably gave hope to 387 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: both sides. Both defendants here Meta and Google. They were 388 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 3: given their previous instructions, with the judge suggesting they read 389 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: them aloud before being sent back for more deliberations. Two 390 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 3: days later, Boom and Silver Meta was found guilty seventy 391 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 3: percent responsibility for kgm's harms, and YouTube bore thirty percent 392 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: of the harm. 393 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: This is a legal Earth week, so let's kind of 394 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: dispense with the obvious. 395 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 3: The decision could set a precedent for hundreds of similar 396 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 3: cases and could lead to major changes in how social 397 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 3: media platforms operate, especially for children and quite frankly, as 398 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 3: well as millions, even billions in losses for the tech companies. 399 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 3: More than do you know how many cases like this 400 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 3: already exist in courtrooms all across the country. There are 401 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: nearly ten thousand individual cases, and there are nearly eight 402 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 3: hundred school district claims pending nationwide. Now the KGM damage 403 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 3: is six million dollars in total, are almost cosmically irrelevant 404 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 3: to META. Stockholder equity places there was placed before the 405 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 3: jury at two hundred seventeen billion dollars. I think right 406 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: now it's the The value of META is way above that. 407 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: The numbers that matter is not the verdict, it's the 408 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: multiplication table. If even a fraction of those ten thousand 409 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: cases reached similar verdicts at similar dollar amounts, the exposure 410 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 3: to META is truly existential. One legal analyst that our 411 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: abat put it this way. Once you have this type 412 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: of verdict in one case, it just opens the floodgates 413 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 3: for so many more. Now, my analogy to the tobacco 414 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 3: or the big pharma litigation, that's not just some rhetorical flourish. 415 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: That's actually a warning. The tobacco company spent decades arguing 416 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 3: that products weren't addictive, that smokers assumed the risk, that 417 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 3: there was no proven causal link to disease. Sounds familiar. 418 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: And then came all the internal documents proving that they 419 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: knew all of that was true. And then came the 420 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 3: juries and then came the two hundred and forty six 421 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 3: billion dollar in that master settlement agreement against the tobacco 422 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: companies in nineteen ninety eight. Two hundred and forty six 423 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: billion dollars now is the nineteen ninety eight dollars. Now, 424 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: let's be realistic. Lots of appeals. The appellate road is 425 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: going to be long, and it's going to be very uncertain. 426 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: The social media defendants, I think they've got several good 427 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: grounds for appeal, including how products liability claims apply to 428 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 3: an intangible service. When we think of product liability, we 429 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: think about somebody who designs this chair that I'm sitting 430 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: in right now, which is high above the ground. It's 431 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: got a foot rest, it's got a back support, it's 432 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 3: got all sorts of things. Of course, having over there 433 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: doesn't have an arm on it, So there might be 434 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: a little product liability if this, if this chair just 435 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: totally collapses my fall and break my neck. 436 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 2: I know many of you would. 437 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: Applaud, But nonetheless, if I could show there was a 438 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: design defect and they knew of that, I can probably 439 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: recover some damage. So I'm gonna call Dan Kaplis right away, 440 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 3: and we're going to go after product liability. That's the 441 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: kind of product liability that applied here. But on appeal 442 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 3: they may argue, but this is an intangible service, even 443 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 3: questions about. 444 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 2: Who caused the harm. 445 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 3: And then, of course you got the scope of the 446 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: whole idea of all the speech protection doctrines like of 447 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 3: course the First Amendment and Section two thirty. So that 448 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 3: conduct versus the content. The idea that designing an addictive 449 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: notification system is conduct separate from the third party content 450 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 3: being delivered, that's actually a novel legal theory, philosophically contestable. 451 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: Another legal expert said that social media's offerings consist of 452 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: third party content, and the configurations were the publisher's editorial 453 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 3: decisions about how to present it. So the line between 454 00:26:54,280 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 3: first party like itself, their design choices and publication decisions 455 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: coming from third party content providers might be illusory, and 456 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: an appellate court could erase that line entirely. 457 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 4: The holly, are you sick and twisted? 458 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 2: You also kind of suck, kind of suck. I got 459 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 2: to work harder. 460 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 4: Don't worry. He's still new here. 461 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. 462 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 3: You'll soon You'll soon be just as addicted as anybody else. 463 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: In fact, if you if you sue me, you'll soon 464 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: find that we have all sorts of internal memos about 465 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 3: what we do to try to keep you here, you know, 466 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 3: by you know, just being outlandishly rude to you, and 467 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 3: you just you know, and we're just so superior. You 468 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: just keep coming back because you just you know you're 469 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 3: gonna you want to be in the area of. 470 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: Me and Dragon. 471 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: Well, the producers superior because we're platinum and you talent, 472 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 4: and on air people are just do you get to 473 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 4: get out of that article? I didn't read it, that's 474 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 4: all I saw. That's as far as I I never. 475 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: Found the ranking we're talking about the you'll the best 476 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 3: companies in the world to work for. Well, that ranking 477 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: came out yesterday, and of course the first thing I 478 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 3: did was do a search for iHeartMedia and uh producers. 479 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: It's a better place for producers than it is on 480 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: air yep, which I would agree, because on air has 481 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 3: to deal with the producers. So that's why it's such 482 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 3: a that's why such a cra your platinum, I'm gold. 483 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 4: And the producers don't even have to listen to on air, 484 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 4: So that's fine, that's that's right. 485 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 3: I think this case is going to have a social 486 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: reckoning too. In fact, the social reckoning might out out 487 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: do the legal reckonings. This verdict is the first time 488 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 3: that juries have decided that tech companies are at least 489 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: partially liable for both online and offline dangers that kids 490 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: and teenagers encounter when they're using their platforms. 491 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 2: It was a jury. 492 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: It was not a regulator. It wasn't Congress, it wasn't 493 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 3: the FTC. It was just twelve ordinary Americans, the kind 494 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 3: of people that see their own kids disappear into a 495 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: phone screen. They read about children who commit suicide. They 496 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 3: sat in the room for forty three hours and said, yes, 497 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: you guys knew, and you kept doing it anyway, and 498 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: that is wrong, and we're gonna make you pay. The 499 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: founder of the online safety watchdog common Sense Media said 500 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: this social media giants would never have faced trial if 501 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: they had prioritized kids safety over engagement. Instead, they buried 502 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: their own research showing children were being harmed and used 503 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: kids and society as guinea pigs and massive, uncontrolled and 504 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: wildly profitable experiments. Now that very research accusation is not rhetorical, 505 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 3: that's documented internal studies at Facebook and Instagram itself showing 506 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: that Instagram was linked to body image issue in teenage girls, 507 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: and the company shelved those documents. That's not an allegation, 508 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: that's the evidence in the trial. There are political calculations too. 509 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: Congress has declined to pass any legislation regulating social media, 510 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: while twenty states enacted some laws last year on social 511 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: media usage in kids, at least according to the National 512 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 3: Conference of State Legislatures. And for Republicans, the vertic creates 513 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: some tension. The free market instinct, I think, is to 514 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 3: resist trial lawyer driven liability expansions and to be skeptical 515 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 3: of judicial regulation of technology. For Democrats, the optics might 516 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 3: be a little better, but the complications are still real. 517 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: The trial lawyer. 518 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: Contingent of the Democrat Party. They're thrilled, but Silicon Valley 519 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: is a Democrat donor base, and regulating it, whether through 520 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: legislation or liability, has been subordinated to the fundraising relationships. 521 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 3: They'll hold your breath. I'm not sure that anybody's going 522 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: to do anything here because we still have perhaps even 523 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: a decade of all sorts of appellate decisions. Just like 524 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 3: in the tobacco litigation cases. The vertical be appealed both 525 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 3: met in Google has said so explicitly, and I'm sure 526 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 3: they mean it, and I think the legal grounds for 527 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 3: appeal are real. We're finally going to get some judicial 528 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: decisions on Section two thirty scope. We're going to get 529 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 3: some decisions on the product liability theory applied to an 530 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 3: intangible service. We're going to get the whole causation question, 531 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: and to dragon point earlier, we still have to answer 532 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: the question about where's the responsibility of the. 533 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: Parents in all of this. 534 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: That's going to be addressed because that's in the record 535 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: at the trial level, so that'll be on record and appeal, 536 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 3: and don't forget there are ten thousand other similar cases 537 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 3: around the country.