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Speaker 2: of city Hall. So the city comes out with a servi.

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Speaker 2: They ask Cincinnatians what do you like? What do you dislike?

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Speaker 2: And it came out that Cincinnatis are frustrated. We've got potholes,

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Speaker 2: the perception of violence downtown and elsewhere, shootings at Riverfront

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Speaker 2: Live and beyond. We've got quality of life that is

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Speaker 2: not so good. And in light of that, council just

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Speaker 2: voted by the narrowest of margins to spend eight million

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Speaker 2: dollars on River Bend two point zero anyway, And the

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Speaker 2: sponsor that bill joins the show now on seven hundred

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Speaker 2: w that would be Anna Alby, who is in the

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Speaker 2: bunker right now. She's in the bunker. There's incoming flak

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Speaker 2: from her own party. She's under fire. She's under fire. Anna,

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Speaker 2: I'll be welcome to the show. How are you hey?

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Speaker 3: Good morning, good morning. I appreciate that opting to be

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Speaker 3: here today about this great new music venue. We're going

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Speaker 3: to get in Cincinnati, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, So let's begin with that. There were I mentioned

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Speaker 2: the eight economic indicators suggested a fewer people visited downtown

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five over twenty twenty four. Could that

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Could it be the crime spike and the perception that

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati is dystopian from the suburban nights, that you need

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Speaker 2: through the form of taxes. A bus ridership dropped in

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Speaker 2: fever at their revenue dropped eleven percent year over year.

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Speaker 2: Certainly the hamlet County South tex grew six percent, but

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Speaker 2: it didn't appear to reach downtown businesses. So people in residence.

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Speaker 2: You asked the survey and the number roads number one

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Speaker 2: among the thirteen city services, and it was dead last

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Speaker 2: and satisfaction. We're going to see, as you know, with

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Speaker 2: about ten years behind fixing this whole thing. But that's

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Speaker 2: the truth. The optics are that you guys are taking

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Speaker 2: care into the roads. How do you defend that.

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Speaker 3: Uh, well, we so thank you for bringing up the survey.

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Speaker 3: I do want to also highlight, you know, last year

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Speaker 3: so under construction. So hoping now that that's up and

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Speaker 3: types of investments a city really needs to make to

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Speaker 3: make sure that we do have that exciting urban core

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Speaker 3: that people have something to come down to and spend

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Speaker 3: their money at. So these are all big investments that

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Speaker 3: we make at the city. And so this the next venue,

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Speaker 3: the Farmer Music Center with River Bend two point zero,

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Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, is going to be

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Speaker 3: one of those big marquee attractions. You know, I'm absolutely

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Speaker 3: throughout the previous River Bend, which I think we all

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Speaker 3: I've got some good, good memory from Warp Tour back.

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Speaker 5: In the day.

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Speaker 6: But you won.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was out out of the out the city

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Speaker 3: of Cincinnati was in you know, Anderson. The new Farmer

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Speaker 3: Center is going to Music Center is going to be

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Speaker 3: city of Cincinnati gets this slice of that. And so

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Speaker 3: looking at this is a huge investment for the Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: Symphony Orchestra. The one hundred and sixty million dollar price

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Speaker 3: tag for this new facility here, and it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: great the city of Cincinnati. We're putting an eight million

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Speaker 3: We are going to earn those dollars back in like

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Speaker 3: this venue. And that's strep dollars into the city budget, right.

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Speaker 3: And on top of that, you've got to quote economic impact,

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Speaker 3: which the indicators show that we're expecting one hundred million

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Speaker 2: One may ask, though an all but is that okay,

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Speaker 2: it's not like this is a brand new bill. Now

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Speaker 2: you're making it bigger and better and better, absolutely, and

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Speaker 2: which is way overneeded because you go and you look,

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Speaker 2: even the River Bend. People say that I and it's

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Speaker 2: such a crown jewel. You're right about keeping that going.

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Speaker 2: But I guess the question I would have is this

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Speaker 2: And maybe slightly if you had a more stage and

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Speaker 2: more many of these maybe get bigger action. But you're

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Speaker 2: saying that this is going to be a big boon

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Speaker 2: I mean, you may see a little bit of an

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Speaker 2: be like new revenue because River Bends already existing.

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Speaker 3: It's a new stage. So the River Bend that you

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Speaker 3: Farmer Music Center is going to be a new State,

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Speaker 3: a new amphitheater with seating for up to twenty thousand people.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the exact seating of Old River Bend,

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Speaker 3: that means you can attract bigger acts, right, more people

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Speaker 3: coming to putting Cincinnati on their summer tour lineup. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many times I go to

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Speaker 2: I guess the pushback there would be kind of a

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Speaker 2: they want one hundred percent of the gate. The problem

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Speaker 3: I don't know about me and ized revenue stream exact.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we're of a stadium like Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: Is that a question you asked?

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Speaker 3: There are so many acts though that that aren't the

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Speaker 3: This will be a destination.

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Speaker 3: And honestly, like, there is nothing better than enjoying a

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Speaker 2: That's the type of potential. I don't know if the

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Speaker 2: of the revenue sharing works. And I'll be council member

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Speaker 2: who sponsored a resolution to take eight million dollars and

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Speaker 2: I would say fairly an investment, not just giving an

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Speaker 2: has got to get done as part of the twenty

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Speaker 2: this done. So she seth Walsh, Nolan Owens and James

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Speaker 3: Right, great question, Yeah, this is you know, this is

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Speaker 3: so we got like what twelve to fourteen months here

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Speaker 3: talking about a non profit that is bringing on this

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Speaker 3: So we got to beither to help our art scene.

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Speaker 3: And it's just an extra bonus to me that it's

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Speaker 2: Council member Analybe the city manager said, hey, listen, you

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Speaker 2: know what we I think the initial thing you said was, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, the numbers look good, the profile and the

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Speaker 2: city manager's office said, well, we didn't vet the finances,

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Speaker 2: we didn't look over this the numbers. We didn't analyze

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Speaker 2: go this is a good investment for the city. The

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Speaker 3: do all that due diligence, and yesterday's a resolution, right,

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Speaker 3: it's basically a declaration from the City Cincinnati, led by

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Speaker 3: that's where we get to say how much money we

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Speaker 3: takes all that, puts together the budget and then that

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, that's important to say. We just didn't give

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Speaker 3: Correct, correct, yep, yep. And making sure we do all

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 2: So the client claim that there's no pro former here,

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Speaker 2: handing out eight million dollars with no proformance? Is false?

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Speaker 7: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Right, that's what I.

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Speaker 2: Want to say. All that worked, all right, you're doing

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. This is just a peremptory vote. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I think people hear this, and as you know, Anna,

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Speaker 2: The roads are falling apart, crime is rising, the city's

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Speaker 2: just kind of came out of nowhere? Is that true?

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Speaker 3: No, We've been briefed on this for the past year.

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Speaker 3: We've known as coming for a long time, that this

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Speaker 3: but just to clarify for your listeners. So, the City

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati or any government has two budgets, yeah, operating budget

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Speaker 3: capital budget, right, those are for things that you can see, touch, feel, right,

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Speaker 3: the building stuff. We are really grateful that when it

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Speaker 3: allocated twenty million dollars for road repaving. This year we'll

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Speaker 3: do twenty one millions. And you know what we found

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Speaker 3: allocating them. And that came up this week when the

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Speaker 3: And you heard him say that he's trying to shrink

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Speaker 3: dollars there. The council has done our job, and frankly,

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Speaker 3: it is on the City Manager's office at this point

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Speaker 2: Well, this is we've known this. With the railroad money,

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Speaker 2: It's going to take you ten years just to catch up.

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Speaker 2: That's how far that's how far behind we are in

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, and you know what, I'm mad that previous

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Speaker 3: of neglect and it's frustrating. So, you know, I'm grateful

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Speaker 3: again to the residents and citizens of Cincinnati for voting

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Speaker 2: Well, the fact that the matter of those anahobeous is

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Speaker 3: That I lived it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you lived it. He wanted. He was pretty tough

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Speaker 2: question about what the funding gap is. Why eight million dollars,

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Speaker 2: whether the project proceeds about the city's money, is that

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Speaker 2: why you did that? Four members of council voted against.

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Speaker 4: You on this.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I want to be really clear. The total price

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Speaker 3: tag is one hundred and sixty million. They are CSO

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Speaker 3: also know that the CFO, you know, is looking at

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Speaker 3: hopefully dollars get unlocked in that unclaimed funds application process

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Speaker 3: best case that the city is on board. Like, it

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Speaker 3: is wild to me that we are having arguments about

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Speaker 3: you know, process of you know, when when this resolution

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Speaker 3: in five years and those dollars, Just to be clear,

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Speaker 3: we're making an investment out of those capital fund dollars,

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Speaker 3: but the revenue we're getting back is into the operating fund,

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Speaker 3: which is what can go towards that deficit you've been

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Speaker 3: alluding to the whole time, Right, So these are dollars

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Speaker 3: to us. Right, We are going to get that money

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Speaker 3: mean I just don't know who looking at that says

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Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of questions. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of question marks there right. The Symphony said, seventy six

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Speaker 2: percent of the funding secured. The Farmers gave sixty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: The Farmer Family Foundation did if the project already funded

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Speaker 2: other members of council said, man, this is came like

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Speaker 2: runing late in I appreciate your time as always. If

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Speaker 2: The mayor is not happy about this. At least half

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Speaker 2: this is PG sitting Feld, this is Jeff Pastor, this

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Speaker 2: is Ta Maya denied all over again. I'm not alleging you.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're in on this, but I could

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Speaker 2: see how a void er think. Are we just saying?

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Speaker 2: Is this just on the round of kickbacks coming towards

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Speaker 3: Saying, I understand being jaded. I'm not going to take

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Speaker 3: But again, the urgency here is to make sure the

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Speaker 3: open in time. And by the way, next spring is

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Speaker 3: right ahead, right before the summer concert series, right, you

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Speaker 3: don't want to miss that you three month gap that's

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Speaker 3: So that is the urgency. The urgency is real. I

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Speaker 3: understand some of my colleagues didn't love love the process,

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Speaker 3: but again, this will go through the budget process just

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Speaker 3: like everything else, and we will vote finally officially to

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Speaker 3: approve those dollars int you with the rest of the budget.

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Speaker 2: Well, again, this is not binding. It's gonna take some time.

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Speaker 2: So everybody, just, you know, stop for a second. Let's

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Speaker 2: chew gun them at the same time. And I think

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Speaker 2: a new river bed in newly imagined Riverbend is a

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Speaker 2: And I'll be all the best. Thanks for jumping on

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Speaker 2: the show this morning. We'll chat again soon. Be well.

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Speaker 2: Take care, take care. We got to get a news

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Speaker 2: update and she was a little offended there about the

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Speaker 2: kickback question, and I think I was fair in saying

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's you or anything, but a voter

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Speaker 2: don't care. What was it with the Brady Center, right,

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Speaker 2: I'll get the money and go on vacation. Is what

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Speaker 2: you did? Jeff Paster PG sittin'val of course and his

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Speaker 2: thing in court? Are you thinking the same thing here?

436
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Speaker 2: I mean that was like one of the first things

437
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Speaker 2: I thought of, Like, this thing's kind of come out

438
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Speaker 2: of the blue. Didn't we just go through this a

439
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Speaker 2: few years ago? And are you that jaded? Because I am.

440
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about it next on the show. Seven hundred

441
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Speaker 2: W all right, Scott's loan here. This is seven hundred WLW.

442
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Speaker 2: Just trying to keep it real because you know, it's

443
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Speaker 2: our money first of all, and I don't care who's

444
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Speaker 2: in office. We got to do a better job keeping

445
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Speaker 2: an eye on these people. And that's what the bottom

446
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Speaker 2: line is. And I just got off the phone here

447
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Speaker 2: with Annah Albey, council member talking about the city in

448
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Speaker 2: her motion to take eight million dollars of money and

449
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Speaker 2: give it to me, me and essentially Riverfront, to redo

450
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Speaker 2: Riverfront and make it Riverfront two point zero. I think

451
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Speaker 2: we all agree. I love going to shows there. I

452
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Speaker 2: think it's a great venue done by the river, but

453
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Speaker 2: it's a little tired, it's a little dusty, needs to

454
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Speaker 2: be cleaned up, reimagined. They want to do that taking

455
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Speaker 2: Coney Island. I think that was a good investment. Getting

456
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Speaker 2: of the starlight pool good and a good idea. Let's

457
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Speaker 2: turn this into a giant riverside music venue, not just

458
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Speaker 2: one stage or I guess you include PNC banking there,

459
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Speaker 2: but make it a multi stage environment. That's great. Good,

460
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Speaker 2: we'll get some money back from that. I love investing

461
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Speaker 2: in fun things. We need more fun things to do.

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Speaker 9: Well.

463
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Speaker 2: All great, no doubt about it. But it doesn't mean

464
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Speaker 2: we can't give you a little bit of side eye,

465
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Speaker 2: as I did with that. I going, hey, okay, look,

466
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Speaker 2: even people in your own party. Hell, the mayor. Mayor

467
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Speaker 2: loves throwing money around. Right, City's thirty five billion dollars

468
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Speaker 2: upside down, Clearly, Council in the city likes spending money

469
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Speaker 2: on stuff. And when the mayor himself, when I have

470
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Speaker 2: to have pureval, comes out and goes, hey, you know what,

471
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Speaker 2: I got some questions. I got a few questions here

472
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Speaker 2: when people like Scottie Johnson and others come out and go,

473
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Speaker 2: I got some questions here for you, Just a few

474
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Speaker 2: questions about the money, you know, Namely, we just you know,

475
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Speaker 2: we look at this and go all right, we've got

476
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Speaker 2: potholes to fill, we got crime being a We've got

477
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Speaker 2: roads ranking number one in the survey we just did

478
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Speaker 2: a residence and number one of importance is thirteen of

479
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Speaker 2: thirteen city services, roads ranked number one. It was dead

480
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Speaker 2: lasting satisfaction. And I know it's taking a long time.

481
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Speaker 2: And I pointed out where her ten years is the

482
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Speaker 2: timeline for getting the roads to where they need to be.

483
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Speaker 2: That's how far behind we are. You can't do it overnight.

484
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Speaker 2: And I appreciate that, not once, I really really do.

485
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Speaker 2: But when there's questions about where the money's coming from,

486
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Speaker 2: and what is the oversight on the money, and why

487
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Speaker 2: did this thing get moved up to the front of

488
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Speaker 2: the budget list, and what the hell's going on, we

489
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Speaker 2: got a problem. Just handing out eight million dollars. No, granted,

490
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Speaker 2: there is no this is not binding, this is just

491
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Speaker 2: moving it forward. But again, see optics. Our optics are

492
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Speaker 2: very important part. I mentioned her and she was a

493
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Speaker 2: little offended by this, and I said, you know, I

494
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Speaker 2: don't think it's her. I think she's finally she's going

495
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Speaker 2: to do this. But if you're a voter, you've seen

496
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Speaker 2: this movie before and in the past, and I see

497
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Speaker 2: better than I hear, and I know history is a

498
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Speaker 2: great indicator for you or future behavior. We know that

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Speaker 2: Tamaya Denard Soldier vote. We know that Jeffrey Pastor took money.

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Speaker 2: We know that PG Sittenfeld got convicted. I also know

501
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Speaker 2: that House Bill six, the House Bill six scandal in

502
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Speaker 2: the state House, and that's Republicans, not Democrats. It's the

503
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Speaker 2: largest public corruption case in Ohio history. Sixty million dollar

504
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Speaker 2: scheme by First Energy and utility companies to buy seats

505
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Speaker 2: to buy votes in the Ohio House, with Larry Householder

506
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Speaker 2: and others, Matt Borges and others, former chair of the

507
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Speaker 2: Ohio Republican Party, that they got four point three million

508
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Speaker 2: dollars in kickbacks bribe money from First Energy. I also

509
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Speaker 2: look at what happened, and I was just starting in

510
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Speaker 2: radio then talk radio. But I remember coin Gate with

511
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Speaker 2: Bob Taft first it was at the sixty seventh governor

512
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Speaker 2: of the Buckeye State and the state was became a

513
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Speaker 2: state in eighteen oh three, so that's a lot of time.

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Speaker 2: First time ever in Ohio governor sitting governor's charge with

515
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Speaker 2: the crime all in office. That's remarkable, and that's again

516
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Speaker 2: a Republican. But I look at someone like Bob Menendez,

517
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Speaker 2: New Jersey. I look at Rod Blagoyevitch in Illinois. I

518
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Speaker 2: look at what how Kuyahoga County they had to pay

519
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Speaker 2: for play scandal there about ten years ago. The commissioner

520
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Speaker 2: up there was the biggest fishing to see a corrupt

521
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Speaker 2: local appointees who are lining their pockets with bribes at

522
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Speaker 2: the expensive taxpayers. Now, I think a dozens of elected

523
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Speaker 2: officials are jammed up in that. We've had scandals in

524
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Speaker 2: Columbus and Toledo and elsewhere. So I'm sorry, I see

525
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Speaker 2: better than I hear. And to ask the question, man,

526
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Speaker 2: there are a lot more questions about the money and

527
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Speaker 2: how much money you're gonna make off of this, And

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Speaker 2: it seems kind of rushed, even though you've spent on

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Speaker 2: the docket for about a year. She said, I'm kind

530
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Speaker 2: of jaded by politics. Are you jaded by politics? Are

531
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Speaker 2: you jaded by Baden switch? Are you jaded by the

532
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Speaker 2: fact that we have a politician saying something and then

533
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Speaker 2: doing something completely different? And yeah, I'm talking about Trump,

534
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the wars, I'm talking about a bunch

535
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Speaker 2: of things. But I'm also talking about the Democrats at

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Speaker 2: run Hamlin County. And if you are a person who

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Speaker 2: looks at your own personal finances, your own pocketbook, your

538
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Speaker 2: own future, your kid's future, your retirement, their education, whether

539
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Speaker 2: or not you can afford to put gas in your car,

540
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Speaker 2: whether or not you can afford to buy beef, I

541
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Speaker 2: think a legitimate question is are we just back to

542
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Speaker 2: where we were and have seen time and time and

543
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Speaker 2: time again that if there are a lot of questions

544
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Speaker 2: being answered, or you don't have any answers to the

545
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Speaker 2: questions being asked, I guess should we be looking at

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Speaker 2: it going, Okay, are we doing this whole are we

547
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Speaker 2: doing this whole kickback scheme again? And you know, I

548
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: don't think Anna is part of that. She doesn't strike

549
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: me as that type of person. But you know, we've

550
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Speaker 2: seen this elsewhere and it's not a reflection I think

551
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Speaker 2: on her or a certain member of council. I think

552
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Speaker 2: it is a reflection poorly of our political process that

553
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: we almost expect these people because we've had a long

554
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Speaker 2: history in this country of it to being on the take.

555
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Speaker 2: And you know, when you don't have the questions answered,

556
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Speaker 2: the basic questions answered that we're asked yesterday, it makes

557
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Speaker 2: one think what the hell's going on here? So maybe

558
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: preparation of these things is key. And I think there's

559
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Speaker 2: a fair question. I'm sorry to offender, but I think

560
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: it's and if you're listening, it wasn't meant for you necessarily.

561
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Speaker 2: But we're all jaded as voters right now. The process sucks.

562
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Speaker 2: We've got a government shutdown we quit paying attention about.

563
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: You've got people in Tsa not getting paid for a

564
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Speaker 2: day's work. That's a huge problem. We've got gas prices up,

565
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Speaker 2: that's a huge problem. We've got a war in Iran

566
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Speaker 2: with no edges, your edgy, no support. That's a big problem.

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Speaker 2: Locally here in Cincinnati, we've got a thirty five million

568
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Speaker 2: dollar budget because of irresponsible spending. That's a problem. I

569
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Speaker 2: think we just wanted to be functional in work, and

570
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Speaker 2: right now it's failing us. It's failing us because this

571
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Speaker 2: is what we asked for, this is what we voted for,

572
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Speaker 2: and we just continue to make the same mistakes over

573
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Speaker 2: But the idea that somehow that this nation of ours

574
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Speaker 2: was founded by men who literally put the countries into

575
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Speaker 2: serson not their own, but that has become a parody

576
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Speaker 2: because it's flipped the other way, and it's not reason.

577
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Speaker 2: It's been going on for a long time, and I

578
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Speaker 2: certainly don't want to say the sky has following the

579
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Speaker 2: economy's falling apart. If you step back and look at it,

580
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Speaker 2: quite honestly, depending on who's president, a Democrat or Republican,

581
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Speaker 2: whether it's Biden or Trump, whether it's JD. Vance or

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, the thing is this, the needle really hasn't

583
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: moved all that much. We've traded one plus for a

584
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Speaker 2: negative essentially. You know, gas prices are a but you know,

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Speaker 2: you look at other other indicators in the market that

586
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Speaker 2: have offset that, and largely the needle hasn't moved all

587
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Speaker 2: that much. I think a great example at his doge, Hey, Dug,

588
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna blow this whole thing up with a gut

589
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: gut got and get what happened? Nothing, nothing changed, to

590
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Speaker 2: show you just how embedded this is, to show you

591
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Speaker 2: how how little it really, how little the needle moves,

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Speaker 2: regardless of who is the president of the United States.

593
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Speaker 2: And pairing that back, of course, the local politics here,

594
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: same kind of thing. I mean, you know it may change,

595
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: and that people may change, but don't the patterns remain

596
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: the same, and we got to keep an eye on that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a fair thing for us as taxpayers

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Speaker 2: to look at this. And I don't live in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: and you might, and maybe we don't live in Cincinnati,

600
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: probably probably don't. But this also applies to our our

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Speaker 2: counties and are the towns in which we live. Is

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Speaker 2: to keep an eye we just don't trust, and I

603
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: think we shouldn't trust just because they have an R

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Speaker 2: or a D next to their name, the person doing

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Speaker 2: the job for us. It's like we have lost sight

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Speaker 2: of the fact that we have to be extremely critical

607
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: otherwise things get out of whack. We have to keep

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Speaker 2: a chain of going. Hey, I may have supported and

609
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: voted for you to support you, but I keep my

610
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Speaker 2: eye on you. I'm keeping my eye on you. We

611
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: have lost our ability to do that because of this

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00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 2: whole loyalty pledge, the silly loyalty pledge that we have

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Speaker 2: to take regardless of who's in power, and we got

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Speaker 2: to go completely. I mean, there's it's not a scandal really,

615
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Speaker 2: It's all a bunch of infighting up in Warren County where

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Speaker 2: I am with the commissioners up there, because someone is

617
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: being critical of someone else and you got to go

618
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Speaker 2: along with it. We're going to throw you out. It's

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Speaker 2: just it's nonsensical be accountable to the people who put

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Speaker 2: you there. And I have a sense that whether it's

621
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Speaker 2: Democrats or Republicans in this case, Democrats were not getting

622
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Speaker 2: that and that should cause us all to be concerned

623
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Speaker 2: because every November they come around asking for votes and oh,

624
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Speaker 2: it's going to be different. Now this is we got

625
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Speaker 2: to we're gonna chie I'm coming in and we're going

626
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Speaker 2: to change things. But nothing really seems like it changes.

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Speaker 2: And it's I know, it's an incredibly jaded look at

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Speaker 2: things going. All right, somebody getting money a kickback here

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Speaker 2: from from River Ben.

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Speaker 7: It does.

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Speaker 2: I'm not indicting River Bend. I'm not indicting Anna Albe

632
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Speaker 2: anyone who voted for this the contrary, It's just showing

633
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: us that we These are the questions I think normal

634
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Speaker 2: people have going. I've seen this before. Is it happening again?

635
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Speaker 2: And will history repeat itself? It seems like it always

636
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: does in America. It always does five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 2: four nine, the big one. It's talked back on your

638
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Speaker 2: eye at Radio app I personally, you know, in a

639
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: perfect world, I think taking eight million dollars of city

640
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: money even though they can't afford, like, if you can

641
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Speaker 2: guarantee I don't know if there's no guarantees in life,

642
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: but if you can come up with analysis it shows

643
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Speaker 2: you're gonna get that money back in five years in

644
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: perpetuity for a place that's already existed, I think that's

645
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Speaker 2: a good investment. I know that a lot of industry theater,

646
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Speaker 2: for example, as we know, is dying movie theaters from

647
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Speaker 2: big big trouble. Big trouble bars are in big trouble

648
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: right now because fewer people are drinking. But I will

649
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: say the one area that there's tremendous growth and has

650
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: been live music. We love live music. Why well, through

651
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: the rings I mentioned, we can escape for a few hours.

652
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 2: We can escape for all weekend if it's a you know,

653
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: a festival or something like that, and go and just

654
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: listen to live music. It's wonderful. It's good for the

655
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: souldier outside. Where Ever, Ben is an amazing place, amazing

656
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: place to do that I would love to see. I

657
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: will desperately want to see Riverbend get blown up and redone,

658
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: and they want to do that. We should make that

659
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: happen because it has been neglected for too long. You

660
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: can hopefully bring bigger acts. And now it did point

661
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: out about how the how the structure works in Cincinnati,

662
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: and she wasn't aware of that. But you know that's

663
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: something that a new I guess a new venue may

664
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: not help when it comes attracting those acts. But nonetheless

665
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Speaker 2: I'm all for it. I push behind that going. I listen.

666
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: If we can do this for eight million dollars in

667
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: help gets across the finish line, I think that's money

668
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: well spent considering how much money is going to come

669
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: in and the sheer enjoyment of live music. It's another

670
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: place to go and hang out. We need more of

671
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: that stuff. We don't need less, we need more, but

672
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: I also am cautioned to look at this and go care.

673
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: Are we just taking money and going, hey, here you go,

674
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: here's some money. Don't don't worry about it. I think

675
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: that's a legitimate question that has been answered by four

676
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: of the nine members of city council, and Jeff Kramerting

677
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: will be on the show tomorrow to discuss that. At

678
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: some point here on seven hundred WWT, let me go

679
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: to Tony in Fairfield on Scott's Slanchow ton It's up.

680
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 7: Yes, I just thought him.

681
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 10: Another big expense that your councilwoman forgot about was that

682
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 10: the millions and millions are gonna have to pay the

683
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 10: chief police after her inlaws.

684
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: There's no time about that. We got to pay that.

685
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: Maybe eight million dollars is right there.

686
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 10: Well, you don't know the half of it. Even the

687
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 10: corner in Hamilton County is creative enough to figure out

688
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 10: a way to make the corner's job corrupt. Myself and

689
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 10: my family have gotten twelve thousand dollars in money from

690
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 10: lawsuit class action suits against the corner.

691
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: How many times twelve million? And you've done that numerous

692
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: How many times have you died to.

693
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 10: No, not twelve million?

694
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 7: Twelve thousand, twelve thousand?

695
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: How many times have you died? How many? How my

696
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: wife died?

697
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 10: My wife died, and the Corner stole her brain in

698
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 10: her heart and put in a jar. And see the

699
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 10: taxpayers of Hamilton County had no idea of the corruption.

700
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: Well, what's corrupt about you? If they do it? What

701
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: did Tony?

702
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 4: Can? I ask?

703
00:32:59,400 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: What did she doe?

704
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 4: No?

705
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 10: No, no, no no. I got a call from the

706
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 10: Special Master's assistant saying, did you give permission for the

707
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 10: corner to take to your wife's heart and brain and

708
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 10: put in it and preserve it? I says, well, no,

709
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 10: they never asked. I probably would have allowed it if

710
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 10: it would help save somebody else's wife, right, But he said.

711
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: Oh, is that correct?

712
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 10: These are hundreds of people they found, are organs in jars?

713
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 10: Now why they would do that?

714
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 7: I have no idea.

715
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Speaker 2: I think, I guess that's kind of what happens with

716
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: the corner. I mean, I don't know the interview. I'm

717
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 2: sorry for your loss, but I know the intricacies there.

718
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty much the job of the corner,

719
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: right is she generally goes in and finds closet death.

720
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: You may preserve, so that sort of evidence. I don't

721
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: know the inter case in details of the case, but

722
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: that sounds like maybe a topic for a future show.

723
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess at the end of the day,

724
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: eight million dollars a lot better than somebody's you know,

725
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: the old hearts and lungs in a jar, so I

726
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: guess it could be worse. Thanks to the perspective. Tony

727
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: coming up after the break, after news, full weather, forecast, traffic,

728
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: and the latest from around the world. And here locally,

729
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: we'll get with Steve good and of course local attorney

730
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden. He always follows these weird cases for me.

731
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: I put him on the job on this one, I said,

732
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: I signed him this task follow the Afroman case for me.

733
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: I had Anna Castellini, I think was her name. She

734
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: was the attorney for Afroman. And then I don't know

735
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: if there's a falling out or he'd moved to a

736
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: different attorney. I'm not sure what happened. And then that

737
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: attorney she would come on the show. The new guy's like, well,

738
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: I might come on after. I also try to get

739
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: Afroman out of some point and hear his story because

740
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: it's an awesome case and the most entertaining court case

741
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: I've seen in a long time. And God knows we

742
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: entertainment because this other stuff is way too serious. Steve

743
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: Gooden is here. Afroman gets his day in court and

744
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: he wins. He beat the hell out of seven cops

745
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: with a pound cake and he got away with it.

746
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: Next seven hundred wty Cincinnati.

747
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: You want to be a Manican?

748
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: Do it?

749
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: Floating here? Seven hundred WLW Are you cutting through it today?

750
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: My favorite, my favorite court case a long time coming

751
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: down the pike here, it's over them are the said

752
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: because a rapper just beat the hell out of seven

753
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: cops and he got away with it because he used

754
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: a lemon pound cake. The afro Man verdict is in.

755
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: It is in, and he's a winter chicken dinner.

756
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 11: Mine eyes seen the corruption of the Adam County cops.

757
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 7: Still in Money's still in cake. When they make they.

758
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 11: Traffic stops, first they screw.

759
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 7: You, then they sue you.

760
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 11: Play a game, man, dismiss your claims, the proofs, sondy Inner.

761
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: You can't get the song out of your head.

762
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 11: Ahfro Man, We'll bring it to ya. Ahfro Man is

763
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 11: gone a dude, Ye nahfro man, he's gonna screw ya,

764
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 11: my proofs son.

765
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 12: The inner he is also enthralled with the case, and

766
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 12: that would be the esteem councilor Steve Gooden, who has

767
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 12: had his number of defamation cases he's defended successfully or otherwise.

768
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 7: Steve welcome, it's good to be his ty. Good work.

769
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: This is going to be one of the better cases

770
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: to follow because it had all the live action. As

771
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: the segment would say in it, you had everything here

772
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: and it just made the Adams County Sheriff's Department look

773
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: so damn incompetent. Normally, almost not always, but almost always

774
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: side with the on the side of police officers. I

775
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: watched this thing and said, there's no way in hell

776
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 2: that this defamation suit can win. You have so many

777
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: elements here, let's lay that out this morning here Steve Goodman,

778
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: the jury side with Affreman rather quickly too. I think

779
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: the verdict came out pretty quickly. What, in your opinion,

780
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 2: the strongest legal argument that won this case.

781
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 4: Was what well, I mean that it shouldn't have been

782
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 4: brought in the first place. And frankly, you know, they

783
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 4: had a visiting judge and until folks who like me

784
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 4: watched a lot of this. If the judge looks familiar,

785
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 4: he's a retired judge who has actually made a lot

786
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 4: of headlines, you know, as the visiting judge and the

787
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 4: Wagner murder cases out in Pike County, so he kind

788
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 4: of travels that circuit. And the judge there obviously had

789
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 4: a conflict in Adams County because he'd presumably it signed

790
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 4: the search warrant which turned out to be a fruitless

791
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 4: search warrant based on bad information. We're guessing because they

792
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 4: searched the guy's house and found nothing. But really, I mean,

793
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 4: the judge should have thrown the case out at the

794
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 4: summary judgment stage. In my view, they just these police

795
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: officers are quasi public figures, what they call limited these

796
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 4: public figures. They did go into his house on public business.

797
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: Afroman is allowed to comment on it, and I will say,

798
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: you know, the only arguments that the police officers really

799
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: had is you played one of the songs. That's pretty mild.

800
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: Some of the songs are pretty raunchy. Afroman did insinuate

801
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: in a couple places or flat out state clearly ingest,

802
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 4: but stated that he had sex with some of their

803
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: wives and things of that nature. He was really there's

804
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: a lot of locker room talk where he's trying to

805
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 4: get under their skin and really trying to even because

806
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 4: they really knocked his door down. They came in with

807
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: a battering ram, They went through his house, they took money.

808
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 4: There was four hundred dollars in cash missing that was

809
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 4: never accounted for. He alleges, and they ended up being

810
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 4: a whole separate investigation. But the Claremont County Sheriff's Department

811
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 4: into the missing four hundred dollars and it was inconclusive. Really,

812
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: I don't think they didn't feel if the officer stole

813
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 4: it that they thought they might have had a miscount

814
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: or something. But the whole thing so murky. It's the

815
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 4: thing you would never want to have in front of

816
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: a jury. And you're right, the court, you know, the

817
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 4: closing statements wrapped up around three or four o'clock and

818
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: apparently what I was told was the jury, you know,

819
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 4: was about to go home to the day and they

820
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: signaled to the judge, now, no, no, I think we'll

821
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 4: just stay here and knock this out, you know, And

822
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: by eight o'clock or so they had it all resolved

823
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 4: in his favor.

824
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was. It was It didn't look good

825
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: from the beginning because as you mentioned, you know, they

826
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: counted five down. They go in by the way, this

827
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: in August of twenty twenty two deputies in Adams County.

828
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: They break his gate down, they kick in his door.

829
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: They have a tactical assault team. It looks like because

830
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: they got their tactical gear on and a number of

831
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: officers they kick his door in. There they had I

832
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: guess testimony or they had someone tell them a confidential

833
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 2: informant say yeah, he's got drugs and he's got people

834
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: keep kidnapped in his house. All they came across was

835
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 2: a vappen a part of a joint, so a roach

836
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: and five thousand dollars cash. And then they counted the

837
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: five thousand and then it was four hundred was missing.

838
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: But it turns out that after an internal investigation out

839
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: they miscounted they couldn't count the five thousand.

840
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 11: Uh.

841
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: And he turned the home surveillance footage that he had

842
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: from inside his own kitchen and elsewhere into songs online

843
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: like Lemon pound Cake, which is hysterical because one of

844
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: the thicker deputies has his look at a poum cake

845
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: like it's a suspect that he's about to take down,

846
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: and it's one of the funniest clips you'll ever see

847
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: in this music video. And they made a whole song

848
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: called Lemon pound Cake because his mom made him a

849
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: lemon pound cake under glass and this deputy he wanted

850
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: to attack this thing like a canine on a suspect.

851
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: Over three million views on YouTube, and the claim by

852
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: the deputies was unauthorized exus a likeness, defamation of rives,

853
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: the intentional infliction of emotional distress. They're looking for almost

854
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: four million dollars. One of the female deputy's broke into

855
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: tears during a suggestive music video target targeting her, so

856
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: she was upset about this whole thing. But it goes

857
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 2: to show you if you're working in the public interest

858
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: and you bought something this badly, the jury's going to

859
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: side with you. Plus he's a very very likable individual

860
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: with the music and everything else. Who showed up the

861
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: court where in his American flag suit, which I found

862
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: really really funny. The glasses and everything else extremely articulated

863
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 2: to his defense, and I don't know how Jerry would

864
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: have ruled otherwise.

865
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, he did a very good job of pretending

866
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 4: you're both to this court, in the court of public opinion.

867
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 4: He has a younger lawyer from Adams County named dj

868
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 4: Osborne that he hired, who was a former prosecutor who

869
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 4: really knows the lay of the land out there, and

870
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 4: that was a brilliant choice. A lot of folks that think,

871
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: you know, in Afroman's position, would make the mistake of

872
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 4: bringing in a lawyer from a big city who really

873
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 4: knows the law of defamation quote unquote, but nobio. Defamation

874
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: is very simple. You have to prove that there was

875
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: either you were either portrayed in the false light, that

876
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 4: there was an out and out lie told about you

877
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 4: the gravity of you know. You also have to show

878
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 4: that you suffered some damages from it. I mean, it's

879
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: a relatively simple thing. And here his whole defense was

880
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 4: basically twofold. Afroman's defense was these were public figures, so

881
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 4: I'm allowed to comment, and my comments can be outrageous,

882
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: and I can say things that are even false in

883
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 4: my comments, because it's pretty clear I'm joking. I don't

884
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: think anybody in the room really believed that Afroman had

885
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: sex with the deputy's wife, you know, and that was

886
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: actually one of the worst moments of the trial for

887
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 4: the plaintiffs, because that deputy was cross examined by Afroman's

888
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: lawyer and said, well, well, that's not true, is it.

889
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 4: And he stumbled and said, well, I don't know if

890
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: it's true or not. And that's the clip that's being

891
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 4: paid over and over in the video. I'm like, well,

892
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: I think you'd know.

893
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 5: I mean, I think he knew.

894
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 4: He was in trouble, so he tried to waffle and

895
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: then he throws his wife under the bus. Is probably unintentional,

896
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: and it just became a comedy of aeras. Yeah, I

897
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: don't know if she did or not. I mean that's

898
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 4: a direct almost a direct quote. So it was, you know,

899
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 4: the case really I think was kind of over, you

900
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: know at that point, if it wasn't already, and it

901
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 4: just did become sort of a you know, sort of

902
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: a far said look.

903
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 7: I get it.

904
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not unsympathetic to these police officers. I

905
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 4: know last year when I ran for city council, I

906
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: had he's like burner Twitter accounts calling me a white supremacist,

907
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: a fascist. There was some guy following me around and

908
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: sew me have a glass of white at dinner and

909
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 4: suggested I had a drinking problem, was taking my pictures

910
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: at dinner. But I was in the public eye, and

911
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: you just have to Unfortunately, in this day and age,

912
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: you have to put up with it and the idea

913
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 4: that opinion covers a huge swath about things. When when

914
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 4: when you're talking about public figures, I mean, you can

915
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 4: say Congress is corrupt, okay, that all four hundred and

916
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: thirty five members of Congress can't turn around and sue

917
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 4: you and say, prove it's corrupt. That's your opinion that

918
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: it's corrupt. You say, all cop their dirty. I don't

919
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 4: believe that, because they all CONTs their dirty and you're allowed,

920
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: you're entitled to that opinion. You can put it on

921
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 4: the internet, and in this case after me, I actually

922
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: had a following and more people saw it than you know,

923
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 4: I put something on the internet, maybe three thousand on Facebook,

924
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 4: maybe three or four thousand people see it, and he puts

925
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 4: it out A million people see it. But that really

926
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 4: doesn't matter.

927
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: Here he was he was selling merchandise though featuring the

928
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: deputy's images. Does does that constant commercially use? Did that

929
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: complicate the pure satire defense and how did the jury.

930
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 4: Sy, Well, the jury didn't care, and I think rightfully so.

931
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 4: But my guess is that that was the judges thinking

932
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: in letting at least some of the claims go forward

933
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 4: past summery judgment. I mean, typically what happens in defamation cases.

934
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 4: I mean, look, they're filed all the time in Ohio,

935
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: but they don't go to trial all that much because

936
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: typically you have depositions, you have paper discovery and so forth,

937
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: and a pretty robust summary judgment phase where a judge

938
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 4: can look to see like, well, you know, this was

939
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: either clearly true, clearly untrue, or just statire and opinion,

940
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 4: and a lot of them get thrown out there. So

941
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 4: that is the one thing that afro Man did, putting

942
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 4: their their their the stills from his I think it's

943
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 4: kind of ring to home security camera. Putting the putting

944
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: them on there and actually selling the merchandise on his

945
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 4: on his web page is something that probably did technically

946
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 4: survive the some rejudgment phase. It doesn't mean the rest

947
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 4: of the case should have. And but I think the judge,

948
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: you know, let that go forward, and that was probably

949
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 4: the one, the one little thing that they had legally

950
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 4: that probably was questionable and could go to a jury,

951
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 4: But still I don't there's no real litigation. He made

952
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 4: real dollars out of it. And I think, just from

953
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: my standpoint, if you know, there again, these guys are

954
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: limited to these public figures who put themselves in this position. Uh,

955
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: And I think, and it is kind of shocking. I mean, look,

956
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 4: we don't know what information they did or didn't have,

957
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 4: and they apparently thought it was credible. Apparently it was not.

958
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: But you know, the scenes to them going in there

959
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 4: were fully automatic weapons and battering grants and so forth.

960
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: You know, it's not a good look. And the guy

961
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: is at the pancake. The pancake does look good looking.

962
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: It makes a look better when it's under glass like

963
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: this was. I was like out of a Martha Stewart

964
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 2: show or something like that, and I would have looked

965
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: at it too. This guy was making sweet love to

966
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: that poundcake with his eyeballs. That was the funniest moment

967
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: probably that Lemon Palm cake video. But he sold merchandise

968
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: with their image on that after that, And I don't

969
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: think I don't have that complicates the puerce after a

970
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: defense simply because he said he was using all the

971
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: proceeds for his legal defense fund. That's going to go

972
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: pretty well with the jury, whether he does.

973
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 7: Or not, right, I mean, at the end of the day,

974
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 7: it didn't matter. I mean, the jury saw the whole

975
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 7: thing was a joke. You know that. You know, he wasn't.

976
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: Seriously insinuating he's you know, having sex with anyone, or

977
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: that anybody is really you know, horrifically you know, crooked

978
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 4: or corrupt and to the extent they are, that's his opinion.

979
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 4: And I think any and he and he really did

980
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: a good job. I watched most of his testimony live.

981
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 4: You know, affirm had did a really really good job

982
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 4: of tacking everything back to the original incident. And he said, look,

983
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 4: if these guys hadn't come into my house on that information.

984
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 7: With guns drawn, knocked my door down, knocked.

985
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: My gate down, stared at my pound cake, and then

986
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 4: and then something maybe maybe or maybe not took some

987
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: of my money, I wouldn't be here. I'd have no

988
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 4: problem with them at all. And you know he wasn't

989
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 4: even there, you know, when it occurred. Uh, So, you know,

990
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 4: it's a I think a lot of people can can

991
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 4: react to that as as government overreach. Uh, and the

992
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 4: kind of thing that you do want to comment on,

993
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 4: and and and again it's very interesting. I get to

994
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 4: remember this is a scenario where the public officials bought

995
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 4: the case. The police officers were the ones who were

996
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 4: the plaineiffs. Sometimes I get lost in the telling it out,

997
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 4: and that was just a yeah, that's it's also.

998
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: The fact that it wouldn't be this bad had you

999
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: not decided to sue him for almost four million dollars

1000
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: or this thing, because now you have to go on

1001
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: the stand and it's it makes it worse, not better

1002
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: for you, And you think I think that maybe they

1003
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: got some bad legal advice there, because the bar for

1004
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: alice and for defamation is just so damn high when

1005
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 2: it's a public figure that is acting on a warrant

1006
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: that turns out there was no crime being committed whatsoever.

1007
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: I think that's an important facet here, Steve Goodin, as

1008
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: we talk about the now international Afroman verdict and the

1009
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: rest of the countries out of this, it's a great story.

1010
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: No charge ever fought from the raid. So how much

1011
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: did that in fact influence the legal landscape for both sides,

1012
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: particular Afroman and that gave him more license to do

1013
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: what got him sued.

1014
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 4: Well, there were two I think key legal decisions these

1015
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: folks made. I mean one was that were one great.

1016
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 4: One bad one is you know, the officers probably should

1017
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 4: have never brought the claims. I understand they were upset.

1018
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 4: I know they were subject to harassment. I think the

1019
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 4: one officer said that he received over four hundred pound

1020
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 4: cakes in the mail from around the country in response

1021
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 4: because and I was no kidding, take him to some

1022
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 4: charities or whatever, but he was very offended by all

1023
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: these poundcakes coming in. The second thing that I think

1024
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 4: Afroman did his legal team did that was very very smart,

1025
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 4: was they could have filed some sort of a counterclaim

1026
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 4: here based upon the raid itself. They could have had

1027
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 4: their own piece of litigation. And they were really I

1028
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: think smart not to bring that because I think it

1029
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 4: would have muddied the waters and it would have really

1030
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 4: forced the jury to try to adjudicate some of the

1031
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 4: precise details about what happened that they didn't have to.

1032
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 4: So the typical case, you know, the typical advice is

1033
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: bring a counter claim pound these people, et cetera. And

1034
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 4: I think he would have looked very a bit less

1035
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 4: sympathetic if he had to defend his lifestyle, because I guess,

1036
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: you know, in fairness, I mean after me as a

1037
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 4: guy who who has made a career out of singing

1038
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: about marijuana use, and his songs are wanti and perhaps

1039
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: his lifestyle might not have, you know, stood up to

1040
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 4: the kind of scrutiny that would have come if he

1041
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 4: had been a plaineff. And you know, just you know,

1042
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: to the officers. I tell people this all the time,

1043
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: and it's corny, but it's true. There's that old line

1044
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 4: from Charles dickens Or he said, I've been ruined by

1045
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 4: a lawsuit twice, once as a defendant and once as

1046
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 4: a planeff. Sometimes being a planeff you can put your

1047
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 4: self out and expose yourself in a way. Sure they

1048
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: could end up in some real embarrassment. I think that's

1049
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 4: unfortunately what happened.

1050
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: And I think something lost. Maybe a nuance here, Steve

1051
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: is they got bad intel they got I think it

1052
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 2: was this confidential informat or informant or something. I said, hey, yeah,

1053
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: he's got people held hostage, he's got weed, he's got money.

1054
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: And they go and they don't find any of that

1055
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: stuff whatsoever. Five thousand dollars. K Hell, you could have

1056
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: a lot more than end in your house. It's your house,

1057
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: and it's it's legal tender.

1058
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1059
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: That's more of the uh, you know, the whole civil

1060
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: f asset forfeiture problem that I have. But nonetheless I

1061
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: look at the context of it and go they didn't

1062
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: find what they're looking for is is that the fault

1063
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 2: of the officers made the entry because they're they're they're

1064
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 2: not the ones who maybe they had the CEI I guess,

1065
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: but it's up to the prosecutor's officer termine whether or

1066
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: not there exists grounds for entry like that. Were the

1067
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: cops and so in some ways put in a situation

1068
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: they couldn't win.

1069
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 7: No, they absolutely were.

1070
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 4: And I see, I'm I'm not unsympathetic to some of

1071
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 4: these officers, some of them I dealt with. I've had

1072
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: many cases in Adams County over the years, and I

1073
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 4: can tell you you know, they were in a bad

1074
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 4: situation here. I don't know how credible the confidential informant was,

1075
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 4: but there had to be some level of credibility, and

1076
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: they had a search warrant, so both the prosecutor had

1077
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 4: to prepare that warrant and a judge had to sign

1078
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 4: off on it, so there were multiple levels of review,

1079
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 4: so there had to be some uh you know, I

1080
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 4: think the legal terms indische of reliability. There had to

1081
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: be some indicators that this was credible. So the officers

1082
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 4: were initially put in a bad position. I guess miley

1083
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 4: pushback is that sometimes, you know, police work is like

1084
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: any other profession. Sometimes things don't go as plan. Sometimes

1085
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: you do get bad information, sometimes things aren't right. But

1086
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 4: you are what we call it limited use public figure.

1087
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: When you're out there saying things and doing things, you

1088
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 4: are going to be subject to mockery. It's particularly now,

1089
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 4: and I know it's hard in the day and age

1090
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 4: where it's on the Internet and all kinds of people

1091
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 4: can see it on social media. But unfortunately that just

1092
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 4: comes with the job. Now, if you're in public office,

1093
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: people are going to say really really nasty stuff about you.

1094
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 4: And what I always tell people, or whether it be

1095
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 4: police officers I've represented in the past or public officials

1096
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 4: are represented now, maybe you should just stay off your

1097
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 4: phone for a while when something goes badly, to let

1098
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 4: it play out.

1099
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: It will move on, as usually is the case. But

1100
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: I do feel in that regard because the deputy is

1101
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 2: the ones kind of caught in the middle. Here was

1102
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: a prosecutor, the investigators and other forces. They just executed

1103
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: the warrant. They're not the ones who went out and

1104
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 2: sought the evidence. I don't think anyway. It's a small department,

1105
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: but there is that caveat there as well. But again,

1106
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, when you got a guy making love to

1107
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: a palm cake with his eyeballs and some of the

1108
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: other things, miscounting the money that's most certainly on them,

1109
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: and you just, I guess, you know, sometimes you pee

1110
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: on the wrong fence. I guess is the old adagere

1111
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden handled many a de defamation case as well,

1112
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: some good some bad Steve local attorney of course, thanks

1113
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: for coming on the show this morning.

1114
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 7: Straighten it out, hey anytime.

1115
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: Well there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think

1116
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: you know, he's just such a likable defendant that there's

1117
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: no Vayagerys gonna side by that guy. Hey, thanks to

1118
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: our friends at Dorothy Lane Market sent up a box

1119
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: lunches yesterday's I want to make sure I give him

1120
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: some love here because it's fantastic. I had that and

1121
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: pretty much didn't need any of the rest of the day.

1122
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: So if you're doing like a catering event or for

1123
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: the office or whatever it is, they everything's fresh. The

1124
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: sandwich is, the bread just baked. They slice the meat

1125
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: right there, lunch meat, cheeses, and the salads are fresh.

1126
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: They haven't been sitting there for days. They make everything

1127
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: in house, and dressings and all that as well. One

1128
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: of my favorites of the Bavarian pretzel sandwich. They have

1129
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 2: a deli walk in. You get a great rub in there.

1130
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: But let me tell you what's money is the Bavarian pretzel.

1131
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: So they do their own woodsmoke turkey, their own uncured

1132
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: smoked ham, salami, mustard, provolone. They make the rolls right there,

1133
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: fresh in house, fresh pretzel bun in this case an

1134
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: amazing sandwich. So you're doing a box, lug box salad,

1135
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Dorothy Lane Market in Mason and of

1136
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: course the original location in Dayton. Thanks again to Dorothy

1137
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 2: Lane Market. Sanja SHABERCREMANI are resident er doctor Fitness Eyes

1138
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: on the show next on seven hundred. WW boy, if

1139
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 2: this is not a bad food weekend, I don't want

1140
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: it is. It's gonna be wings, it's gonna be ribs,

1141
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: it's gonna be burgers, it's gonna be Nacho's questionable cheese

1142
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: with a Z. You name it, you're gonna be eat it.

1143
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: And I'd even start with the drink. By the way,

1144
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: of course, it's March Madness. Every Thursday morning, we have

1145
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: doctor Sanjay Shafer Kamani and he's an er doc. He

1146
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 2: is a food and fitness expert as well at Dine

1147
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: Well Dock and joins the show when he's not at

1148
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: Revived Fitness in Oakley. And I want to jump in

1149
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 2: this morning with the revised dietary guidelines real quick here,

1150
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: because a food pair actually kind of feels like it's

1151
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: leaning more in the fats on Jay, is that RFK

1152
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: Junior said, Hey, let's do whole fat milk back in

1153
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,479
Speaker 2: schools and also let's pump protein a little bit more.

1154
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: I just wonder, like with all diet in health advisories

1155
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: and the food pyramids change in my lifetime, I can't

1156
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 2: count how many times same for you. I just wonder

1157
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: if you're just not trading one bad footing for another,

1158
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: like back in the day when you would when the

1159
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: fat free craze came in. It was great, you got

1160
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: her all the fat, but you just you just put

1161
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 2: more salt and especially sugar in these products.

1162
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 13: That's the problem exactly, And that's that's what a lot

1163
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 13: of the research has looked at sloan is. You know,

1164
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 13: it's not just eliminating one thing, it's what you do

1165
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 13: to replace it. And so a lot of the effects

1166
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 13: that we're seeing are negative by by reducing fat. I mean,

1167
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 13: certainly there's a lot of benefit to it, but it

1168
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 13: all depends on what you're substituting with.

1169
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 2: Right, there's been what is the benefit of the fat?

1170
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: I think for one? For me anyway, it seems like

1171
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: it's say it's satisfied.

1172
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 13: That's a huge say it. I mean, you know, there

1173
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 13: there are a ton if we're just going to talk

1174
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 13: about eating. Yeah, I mean, if you're if you're drinking

1175
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 13: skim milk, it's I don't enjoy it.

1176
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: Do you do? You like skim You know, I'm a

1177
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: two percent guy. Same And the thing about skim milk

1178
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 2: is it's like water, and after I drink it, like

1179
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: I still need something substantial, so I probably eat some

1180
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: snacks after it too. The nice thing about you know,

1181
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: the higher percentage fat milks is that you don't have

1182
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: to eat something afterwards. You may be more satiated, you

1183
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: may be more full, and so you're not kind of

1184
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: taking more calories in after that. That's one big thing, right, right,

1185
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: And there's a sense to that too. It's somehow the

1186
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: whole milk itld just tastes. But I remember one time

1187
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: were I was backpacking, right and we got done, like

1188
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: the only thing they had was whole milk in the cafeteria,

1189
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: and I crushed like five It was like the best

1190
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 2: tasting milk ever.

1191
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1192
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: Right, It's just like something about whole milk. But you

1193
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 2: don't need a lot of it. It's it's so rich

1194
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 2: and satisfies you your taste. Budge, there's a trigger inside

1195
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: he says, Okay, you're good on the fat and the milk.

1196
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: That's all you need. Need a little bit. You don't

1197
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: need a half gallon, No, you don't.

1198
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 13: And and the thing is, to your point, it tastes good.

1199
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 13: And milk consumption's actually gone down markedly in the last

1200
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 13: fifty years, so like since the seventies, it's gone down

1201
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 13: like fifty percent as far as people drinking. It's probably

1202
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 13: because we've switched to lower fat and you know, health

1203
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 13: concerns for sure, but there is definitely a decrease in

1204
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 13: milk and some since the warning started coming out.

1205
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sign you On top of that, I think

1206
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: back to eggs, right, Tony, Oh, cholesterol, and now we're like,

1207
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: well eat eggs.

1208
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 13: Well yeah, and that's the it's cholesterol, especially for you, right,

1209
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 13: it is good for you. You need some. I mean,

1210
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 13: everything's good in moderation. But it's just like everything else,

1211
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 13: we keep learning more and more. And I'll tell you

1212
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 13: when I was going through med school, it was saturated

1213
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 13: fats are the devil, you know, and and it's just

1214
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 13: a black and white that's given to you. And there

1215
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 13: are a ton of shades of gray in this and

1216
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 13: as we learn more, we're introducing more shades of gray.

1217
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 13: But we're also getting more clarification about why some people

1218
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 13: have good effects with things and other people don't.

1219
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's that you don't know till you get

1220
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: a diagnosis, right, if your body tolerates it exactly.

1221
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 13: And so you know, as much research as we do,

1222
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 13: everybody's an individual body is also going to react differently.

1223
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 13: But we are seeing larger population things that that are

1224
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 13: speaking to saturated fats and what effects are good and

1225
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 13: what effects are bad and who it's good for. And

1226
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 13: that's where this milk change came from.

1227
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so I think the research said that dairy

1228
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 2: fat may be at worst neutral, Is that an accurate

1229
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: assessment in your opinion?

1230
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1231
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 2: At worst neutral is confusing a bunch of words. But

1232
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 2: so the worst thing is the worst thing it happened

1233
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: for is nothing? Is that what they're saying essentially?

1234
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 13: I mean, that's what we're seeing right now, and I'll

1235
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 13: always qualify things with that. As far as findings in

1236
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 13: the literature, things are always bound to change, just like

1237
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 13: our two glasses of wine good or one glass of

1238
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 13: wine good. It's the same thing with this, but it's

1239
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 13: it's evolving. And so what we're learning is that dairy

1240
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 13: saturated fats, so the saturated fats that are included in

1241
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 13: things like yogurt, in milk and cheese, those are kind

1242
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 13: of they behave differently in our bodies, both with the

1243
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 13: absorption and what they do in our bodies, and so

1244
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 13: they have a different effect in our bodies than the

1245
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 13: saturated fats that we take in from meats and other

1246
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 13: things that have been demonized for so long.

1247
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: All right, so I'm still confused by the Sanjay, Can

1248
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: I still have a whole stick of butter for lunch?

1249
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 13: You can have two sloan but no one else, no

1250
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 13: one else listening can But I don't see.

1251
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: Sure the whole butter tastes great and bread whatever it

1252
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: is like it just you know, margarine, and we've got

1253
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: this this avocado oil butter and stuff like. Just have

1254
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: a little bit of butter.

1255
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, So we'll be we'll be looking at the pyramid

1256
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 13: in a little bit, or at least the new guidelines

1257
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 13: right the butter. There's a picture of butter right in

1258
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 13: that triangle, and so you know, butter is fine to

1259
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 13: a certain amount, and again everything's good in moderation. It

1260
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 13: is not you know, butter is classified as dairy, but

1261
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 13: it's not the dairy we're talking about here with the

1262
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 13: really healthy saturated fats that will that could potentially improve

1263
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 13: your health. So again, it's the yogurt, it's the cheese,

1264
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 13: it's the milk. Those saturated fats in there maybe beneficial

1265
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 13: to health. And that's what we're seeing in a bunch

1266
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 13: of studies in the last decade.

1267
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: Wow, that it's actually good for you so or versus

1268
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: twenty something years of science that we thought, oh, it's

1269
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: all bad for you. It's kind of like the meat debate,

1270
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: you know, and the environment and all. We'll get to

1271
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: that in a second. But when they rolled out impossible

1272
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: burgers and you try that, you go, oh, that actually

1273
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: tastes because in the past is like, yeah, that tofurky

1274
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: stuff like uh nasty, Like why why if if you

1275
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: like tofu, eat the tofu? But why do you try

1276
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: to trick you into thinking it's something that it's not.

1277
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's like, well, it's gymnastics always

1278
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: because you know, my daughter when she was kissed, she

1279
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: went through the I'm in a vegan and then you

1280
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: buy this crap and she'd eat it because it tastes

1281
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: like crap, of course, and she died my nuggets. So

1282
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: we got problems. We're gonna go we're gonna throw down.

1283
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Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: But but you look at this and go, okay, that

1285
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: that aside, when you get back to eggs and meat

1286
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: and dairy and just just have a little bit of

1287
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: the good stuff and you're satisfied and you're fine. Let's

1288
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: I mentioned the impossible burger. Same thing it's like you're trading. Okay, hey,

1289
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: that's no cholesterol, but it's got to help out of

1290
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: sodium in it.

1291
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 13: It's the sodium, but it's also the other stuff and

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00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 13: that's not yeah, exactly the chemicals. And that's the That's

1293
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 13: the other part of this new guideline from the government

1294
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 13: is you know, eat real food.

1295
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 7: That's there.

1296
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: That's their three words.

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00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 13: It's just real food as opposed to thing that have

1298
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 13: been ultraprocessed, which we're finding that is that is the enemy.

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01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 13: That's that's where we really should be focusing our attention

1300
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 13: as opposed to you know, the saturated fats and eliminating fat,

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01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 13: et cetera.

1302
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: How many days a week or how many times we

1303
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: could I I mean have a process. I mean, if

1304
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: you really want a you know, carry out cheeseburger or

1305
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: a pizza or something like that, there's going to be

1306
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: you know, process glue all that stuff. How many times?

1307
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: How often? It's hard?

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01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 13: I like sticking to the eighty twenty rule general in

1309
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 13: my life, as far as you know, do eighty percent

1310
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 13: of the time do it well? Twenty percent of the

1311
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 13: time not so well? Loose Obviously, as a physician, I

1312
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 13: have to say never do it. But who's going to

1313
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 13: follow that? Not even myself? Yeah, because I love a

1314
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 13: good burger, right, and so I would say, you know,

1315
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 13: as long as five days out of the week you're

1316
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 13: eating healthy and watching all of that ultra processed food,

1317
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 13: you know, treat yourself, okay, once or twice a week.

1318
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: But sometimes like the junk food is like, for example,

1319
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: I like wings. So if I have chicken wing, it's

1320
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 2: a chicken wing and it's Frank's red hot, which is

1321
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: just you know, peppers and vinegar and salt. Essentially, there's

1322
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: nothing really processed about all that is there, but it's

1323
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: still bad for me. It depends where you're getting your wings.

1324
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 2: You're going out to a chain, you don't know what

1325
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: they're frying it in, you don't know what extra ingredients

1326
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: they're putting in it. But yeah, to your point, if

1327
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: you're making them at home and baking them especially, you

1328
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: can Yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Can do that.

1330
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Speaker 2: Okay, All right, let's talk about the food minter again.

1331
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Speaker 2: It's our resident physician and health guy Health Food and

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01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: Fitness coming together with Sanjay shev A Crimani. Let's talk

1333
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: about the new guidelines that rolled out recently for the

1334
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: food pyramid and obviously the dairy element comes and out

1335
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: the whole fat coming back, and so how much different

1336
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 2: is it? What are they calling for?

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Speaker 13: So what they're calling for is increased amount of protein,

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01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 13: so one and a half grams per kilogram to one

1339
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 13: point seven grams per kilogram of body weight. So for that,

1340
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 13: for me, I'm an American elish. That's the funny part

1341
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 13: is you know we have again and then we get

1342
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 13: kilograms in there, come on, come on. But yes, basically

1343
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 13: for you can come down to basically half a pound

1344
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 13: per sorry half u zero point five grams of protein

1345
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 13: per pounded body weight. And so for me it's a

1346
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 13: little over one hundred that I should be at. As

1347
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 13: far as as protein, protein, yeah, a lot of protein.

1348
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 13: It is a lot, and you know, it's much higher

1349
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 13: than what it was before. I think it was point

1350
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 13: eight to one. And so we're increasing by a scale

1351
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 13: of you know, almost seventy five percent increase, and so

1352
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 13: there is a lot to it as far as protein,

1353
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 13: not just satisfying your hunger, but what it does to

1354
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 13: our you know, our body mass and how we metabolize

1355
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 13: things and burn calories. And so what we're finding more

1356
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 13: and more is protein is is golden as far as

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Speaker 13: its intake.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, especially very lean proteins, chicken breast,

1359
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: things like that. You can't go wrong cooking that stuff

1360
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 2: for sure. So and his said, well, your body only

1361
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: needs a certain amount of this thing. But then you know,

1362
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: you look at bodybuilders. You know, you own a gym

1363
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: and guys there. You know, back in the day when

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01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: I would left to see you need more prot than

1365
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: the guidelines recommend, you're taking a way more protein than that.

1366
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: Now your body just excreach. It's like, you know, vitamins

1367
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: or just makes her p expensive. But every successful bodybuilder

1368
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: I've ever seen or talked to, they eat incredible amount

1369
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: of protein. So there's some truth to this, and it's

1370
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 2: more about the well, it's about the science, and I

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01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: see better than I hear.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, especially if you if

1373
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 13: you do want to get stronger and stronger. Now, if

1374
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 13: you want to maintain, you don't have to pound the protein.

1375
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 13: But if you do want to get stronger, bigger, et cetera. Uh,

1376
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 13: increasing your protein intake is one of the cornerstones.

1377
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, the new guidelines are increasing protein. It

1378
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean though, because often people confuse that protein

1379
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: thing with either I've got to drink you know, liquid

1380
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: abinos and all the or now I'm eating you know,

1381
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: hamburger every meal. That's not true at all. Funny, A

1382
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: lean pin pork always got a bad rap because it

1383
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: was fatty, but pork is extremely lean. Now pork is

1384
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 2: pretty lean.

1385
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 13: I'm still very much a fan of poultry and fish

1386
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 13: in general, especially fish coming through with the Mega threes

1387
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 13: and stuff like salmon. I even you know, macrol is

1388
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 13: one of those things that really comes up. And then sardines,

1389
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 13: which I'm weird and I love them, but I'm I'll

1390
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 13: put those things on my toast or my bagels in

1391
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 13: the morning. Fiance, you know, turns her nose up or

1392
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 13: just walks away when I do that.

1393
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 2: Get the seas are salad, I'm having to start. Ones

1394
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: don't fall on the list so much. Sardines are a

1395
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: little healthier, but anchovies do have their health benefits too,

1396
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: gotcha all right? Son, Jay? So we know protein is

1397
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: is it the top of the pyramid?

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01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 13: So it they They've actually not. It's not really called

1400
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 13: a pyramid so much anymore. It's actually drawn as an

1401
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 13: inverted pyramid and overall, the the idea is balance, get

1402
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 13: a certain amount of a lot of healthy things and

1403
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 13: real foods. And so what you'll see is the picture

1404
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 13: depicted with vegetables and proteins up top, and then you'll

1405
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 13: have whole grains on the bottom, which is again a

1406
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 13: different change. It's you know, carbs are not the devil.

1407
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 13: You know, however, many years ago keto is all the rage.

1408
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 13: I know some people still do it, but where we're

1409
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 13: finding is balance is good and then paying more attention

1410
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 13: to the protein intake especially and then your fruits and vegetables.

1411
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 2: Is this all changed, this whole protein thing because of

1412
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 2: the keto rage and the fact that actually work it rks.

1413
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 13: I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of it.

1414
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 13: I mean, you know the keto craze was that was

1415
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 13: that diet actually originally came from treating patients with seizures

1416
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 13: and then they they found out like these kids are

1417
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 13: getting gains. No, it was more like the weight loss,

1418
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 13: and that's what happened, and people kind of jumped onto that.

1419
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 13: So we're going to continue to learn about this stuff.

1420
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 13: And I wouldn't be surprised. I have well, I have

1421
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 13: a little idea about what might be the next protein,

1422
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 13: which is fiber, which has been ignored for a long time,

1423
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 13: but fiber is probably going to be have more attention

1424
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 13: coming up to.

1425
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 2: So normally think fiber, you think carbohydrates.

1426
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 13: You don't think protein, right, and you know it is carbs,

1427
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 13: but they're usually not absorbed carbohydrates, so you don't have

1428
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 13: to worry so much about all the calories you're getting

1429
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 13: in because they're just kind of kind of pushed through

1430
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 13: your your intestines and leave the body. And so fiber

1431
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 13: is like a toothbrush or you're colon exactly power washing

1432
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 13: out there. And that's actually a great metaphor. It's you know,

1433
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 13: it really kind of moves things along and keeps you healthy.

1434
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 13: And we'll see where that goes. I don't have a

1435
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 13: lot of data to back that up, but I know

1436
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 13: that fiber is really getting more attention.

1437
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1438
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: I think we overthink a lot of this stuff too.

1439
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 2: You know when it comes to diet, and you know,

1440
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: exercise is important. You know, try to get up one

1441
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two a couple hours of physical activity

1442
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: week you keep your heart raking and stuff like that.

1443
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: But you know what we put in our bodies. Some

1444
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 2: people are just so like John John from Over a Kiss,

1445
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 2: This this idiot. I see him in the kitchen the

1446
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: other day and he's got a bag of mushroom coffee.

1447
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've heard about the mushroom coffee is coffee

1448
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: and jeopardy. I said, why mushroom clut? Well, you know

1449
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: it makes me the real coffee hits me. I got

1450
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 2: to go to the bathroom, like, yeah, that's why we

1451
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: drink coffee in the morning, because it's an essential part

1452
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 2: of the going. Like I said, cheaper because I have

1453
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: coffee is pretty expensive right now, and like mushroom case.

1454
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, there's like a little bag, like eight

1455
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: ounce bag of mushroom coffee. He's like, yeah, it was

1456
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 2: forty five dollars.

1457
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1458
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 2: I said, what kind of idiot, what kind of first

1459
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 2: world white people crap are you pulling off here? On

1460
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: MLK Day of all things? Mushroom mushroom coffee. That's the

1461
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 2: whitest thing I've ever heard.

1462
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 13: I love John John, and I will say I've seen

1463
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 13: this man and he is ripped and so like, you know,

1464
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 13: there are a lot of people that were He's fourteen

1465
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 13: years old.

1466
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 2: He shouldn't be ripped.

1467
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 13: There are a lot of people that care about the

1468
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 13: minutia that haven't gotten those basic ingredients first, you know,

1469
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 13: eat whole foods, et cetera. John John's at a place

1470
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 13: that he can think about dabbling in the mushroom coffee,

1471
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 13: I think if he wants to. But it's it is

1472
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 13: about getting the basics right first, and that's what a

1473
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 13: lot of people just jump to the smallest things, even

1474
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 13: including the saturated fat debate.

1475
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: You know, the most important things.

1476
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 13: Think about your calories, think about where your ingredients are

1477
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 13: coming from, and far as far as your diet, and

1478
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 13: those are kind of the most important. Like you mentioned,

1479
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 13: get good movement, good strength, and exercise, sleep well, you know, hydrate.

1480
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 13: These are the important things. And once you start mastering that,

1481
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 13: then you can start diving into the minute ship. But

1482
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 13: our brains like to focus on the details before we

1483
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 13: get to the kind of big picture.

1484
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 7: First.

1485
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: Is it about you know, people hear this, okay, food

1486
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 2: permit stuff, But calories still matter.

1487
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 13: Calories still matter as far as everything you know, are

1488
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 13: they the whole picture? Well when it comes to weight

1489
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,799
Speaker 13: loss kind of, but to pay attention to the calories,

1490
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 13: I still look at them on the back of every

1491
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 13: package I look at.

1492
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 2: But what I'm looking.

1493
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 13: At more these days is the ingredient and the ingredient list.

1494
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 13: To the point of the new guidelines, you know, eat

1495
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 13: real food, and so if I'm seeing words that I

1496
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 13: can't pronounce, I'm usually put in that package down.

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Speaker 2: It's tough to avoid that though, isn't it. I mean, reality,

1498
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: it is. It is pretty hard.

1499
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 13: And that's the you know, that's that's one of the

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01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,799
Speaker 13: problems right now, is that oftentimes those whole foods, especially

1501
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 13: if you're going to try to pie a packaged ones

1502
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 13: will be more expensive. But you know, getting getting those

1503
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 13: real food stuff that you can cook at home if

1504
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 13: you have the time, and knowing exactly what's going into

1505
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 13: your food is one of the most important things you

1506
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 13: can do.

1507
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So the new dietary guidelines are relative to the

1508
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: food pyramid. Protein is prioritizing this and go for the

1509
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 2: lean proteins. Obviously, if you can skin on or skin

1510
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 2: off the chicken, where are you at on that one?

1511
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 2: Where am I at? Personally? I keep that skin on?

1512
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 13: Yeah, I just love it, But you know, yeah, I

1513
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 13: do have to realize that if I'm doing that I

1514
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 13: probably can't have dessert that night as far as Calorican

1515
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 13: take goes.

1516
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like chicken thighs are the new chicken thyes. I

1517
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 2: think are awesome because it's a lot cheaper and you know,

1518
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 2: as we look at the cost to meat these days,

1519
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 2: and there's a they taste really really good. I've been

1520
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 2: doing I've been doing instead of chicken wings because they're

1521
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 2: small and they're very expensive. It's like I'll get thighs

1522
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: and do them buffalo style that way and they're just good.

1523
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 13: So I used to do that with chicken breast. I

1524
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 13: just kinda cute hot fry them and throw some hot

1525
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 13: sauce on them.

1526
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 2: It's great. Ready to rock and roll. Sanjay Shavacromadi Here,

1527
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Speaker 2: I'm Scotsloon Show on seven hundred WLW. He's a physician,

1528
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Speaker 2: gym owner. He's a health guy. We talk about all

1529
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Speaker 2: that stuff on Thursday mornings. Anyway, Where can people find you?

1530
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Speaker 2: What your handle?

1531
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Speaker 13: Dine Well doc or Doctor sun Jay Sinc. Those are

1532
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Speaker 13: my two Instagram right at Dinewell Dock.

1533
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: There you go. Appreciate it, brother, Thank you. We'll talk

1534
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 2: next week. Scott's Loan Show, seven hundred W welw do you.

1535
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,480
Speaker 1: Want to be an American?

1536
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 2: Scott's phone returning out to seven hundred w welww. Ohio

1537
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 2: hemp band kicking in tomorrow and it's already in court.

1538
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: So a brewery CB shops at TCH drinkmakers, two of

1539
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 2: them here in Cincinnati as a matter of fact, and

1540
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: joined in the suits in fighting to survive, something voters

1541
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,839
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly voted for, in my opinion, Back in twenty twenty three,

1542
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: State Senator Steve Hoffman sponsored that bill and its House

1543
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 2: bill or some sorry Senate Bill fifty six. And this

1544
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 2: thing has been I guess, taking apart and put back

1545
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: together so many times. I don't know if we resemble

1546
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: the initial one. But nonetheless, senator welcome.

1547
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 5: How are you doing well today? Doing well? That's Miami

1548
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 5: RedHawks won a great game.

1549
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 4: Light.

1550
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: Did you were at the game last night? Give me

1551
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 2: a breakdown?

1552
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 6: Oh, gone to a lot of these first four and

1553
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 6: that place was packed with red. The Miami fans were

1554
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 6: awesome and cheered them onto a victory. And I've never

1555
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 6: seen the team of hot shooting three points.

1556
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: Sixteen threes last night, and they got hot judged at

1557
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 2: the right time to pull ahead. It was an absolutely

1558
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,799
Speaker 2: fantastic Gama. Couldn't be happier for Miami fans and the program.

1559
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 2: And also, let's face it, I'm very happy because I

1560
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: had Miami advancing in my bracket, so I won at

1561
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 2: least one of the two.

1562
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 7: Well maybe, yeah, you're a good right right?

1563
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: All right there, I just admitted to filling out an

1564
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,919
Speaker 2: office bracket. Are the state lawmakers the legislature in Columbus?

1565
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 2: So are they going to take that away next? Because

1566
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: it seems like they got like going after stuff people enjoy,

1567
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: like I don't know, THHC and fused beverages.

1568
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 6: You know, you know, there's crazy. I've seen crazier things,

1569
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 6: but I've not heard that they're they're they're going to

1570
01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 6: get rid of that.

1571
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you know it's a it's a gateway

1572
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 2: betting is what it is, and then it gets out

1573
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: of control. And all right, so what is the latest

1574
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: You're hearing on the lawsuits here? So the Supreme Court

1575
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: could decide intervene here tomorrow. There's also a temporary straining

1576
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 2: order for one of these things as well. Can you

1577
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: can you take me through the legal pieces here and

1578
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 2: if a challenge, do you see the kind again? Your

1579
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 2: guest is probably as good as mine, maybe a little

1580
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 2: bit better. But do you see the courts intervening here?

1581
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 6: So, you know, so the petition people, you know, announced

1582
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 6: yesterday they were not going to get to the two

1583
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty thousand, and so there's been a you know,

1584
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,879
Speaker 6: earlier last week there was one filed that's the Supreme

1585
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 6: Court that basically said, you know, Supreme Court, make the

1586
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 6: governor not do that, make the General Assembly do something else,

1587
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 6: and so it's just to the Supreme Court. And then

1588
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 6: yesterday afternoon there was one filed in Franklin County based

1589
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 6: on you know, really two premises, one telling the you know,

1590
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 6: the force the governor not to undo his veto and

1591
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 6: the other one it's invoking the Interstate Commerce Clause, which

1592
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 6: basically says, we have a conflict. Yeah, so we have

1593
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 6: when getting rid of the hemp beverages in fifty six

1594
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 6: with his veto, we're now conflict. We're saying it's illegal

1595
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 6: in Ohio, but it's the federal government and says it's legal, right, right,

1596
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 6: So we're in conflict. But we won't be in conflict

1597
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 6: in November when it's illegal and in December.

1598
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 2: But the hope is that the federal government sees things

1599
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: like this and goes, you know what, people want this stuff.

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01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 2: Let's back up, let's get a win here and quit

1601
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 2: hammering adults, grown adults who want to enjoy something they've

1602
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 2: been enjoying for quite some time. Because I think, Steven,

1603
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: we've talked about this back in twenty and twenty three,

1604
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 2: we approve recreational marijuana overwhelmingly in huge numbers. Senate Bill

1605
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 2: fifty six eliminated some protections there for users and more restrictions,

1606
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: and and I think it's another thing is like people said, well,

1607
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: we didn't vote for TC beverages, they weren't around that.

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01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 2: I would disagree. I think, you know, if you want,

1609
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 2: if you want to consume cannabis in that fashion, I

1610
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 2: think you guys put some guardrails up. But the complete

1611
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: under ban of a legitimate product is insane to me.

1612
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: It feels and smells like to me, like the legislative body,

1613
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: the General Assembly, is overriding the will of people.

1614
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 5: Well, what's a correction.

1615
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 6: The House in the Senate voted and Senate Bill fifty

1616
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 6: six to allow these and did put guardrails around it

1617
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 6: that they had to be in a the liquor license,

1618
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 6: you had to only sell it to people over twenty

1619
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 6: one yep, in five milligrams. So that was what the

1620
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 6: General Assembly said, and the governor used to wine Item

1621
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 6: Vito to get rid of that.

1622
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1623
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 6: So what I'm disappointed in, and you know we've talked

1624
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 6: many times before, when the federal government came in on

1625
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 6: the big beautiful bill and threw this in there, you know,

1626
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 6: to make these things illegal. Sometime in mid November of

1627
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 6: this year. I'm surprised, you know, four or five six

1628
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 6: months later. I thought the federal government would come back

1629
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 6: and say, you know, here's the guardrail in states. You

1630
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 6: decide on your own yep.

1631
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 5: But they haven't.

1632
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 6: I haven't heard really any chatter. And as you know,

1633
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 6: the federal government doesn't do anything for the last second

1634
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 6: to them, can you get your shut down? Maybe they

1635
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 6: don't even do it last.

1636
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 2: Year even then they just shut it down in punt.

1637
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 2: That's the problem. That's the problem, Senator Huffman. The referendum

1638
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 2: effort failed, and I think the other people who saw

1639
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 2: well it failed because they know no one wants this.

1640
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 9: No.

1641
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 2: I think they didn't get their two hundred and fifty

1642
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: thousand signatures because not because of public support, but because

1643
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 2: they only had a month to gather them. So does

1644
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 2: a failed signature drive, actually we don't hire and support

1645
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 2: this large. Does it mean they ran out of time?

1646
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,839
Speaker 2: I think it's run out of time. What are your thoughts?

1647
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 6: I agree they actually had ninety days, and you know

1648
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 6: they lost time over the Christmas holiday. It's really hard

1649
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 6: in Ohio to get signatures and the debt of winter

1650
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 6: and you're not standing outside of department store.

1651
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 2: Below zero for like three straight weeks. So no one's

1652
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 2: standing out collecting signatory right.

1653
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 6: And you know, I sense things for going bad about

1654
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,799
Speaker 6: you know, mid January, end of January when they announced

1655
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 6: that that they a lot of these things happened by

1656
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 6: paying people to do it, and they there was an

1657
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 6: announcement or maybe I heard it on the street that

1658
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,959
Speaker 6: that they're no longer we're paying anybody.

1659
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 5: And so a lot of these.

1660
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 6: Bars and places that serve this stuff just took it

1661
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 6: upon themselves to have their patriots come in and in

1662
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 6: fineess and ties it that way and they which is

1663
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,799
Speaker 6: a tough tough way to go, and particularly in rural Ohio,

1664
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 6: because you have to have so many from forty four counties.

1665
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 6: You just can't have them all from Hamilton and in Franklin,

1666
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 6: and those last four or five get really hard at

1667
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 6: the percent and how you have.

1668
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 7: To give them.

1669
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unfortunate, but them's the rules right center. Bill

1670
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 2: fifty six a provision in there, and you tell me

1671
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 2: if this is taken out of context, if it's accurate,

1672
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: is that it can cost someone of their employment, benefits,

1673
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 2: their parenting rights. They could you could get kicked off

1674
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 2: an organ transplant list based solely on cannabis use, legal

1675
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 2: cannabis use in the state. Do those provisions still exist?

1676
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: Do the THC beverage band? Does that impact that whatsoever?

1677
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: Your thoughts?

1678
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 6: So those things are are technically true, that those things

1679
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 6: are things? Can a judge can consider. I believe that

1680
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 6: you know, you lose custo your child if you you

1681
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 6: have your child every other weekend and you partake in

1682
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 6: beverages or or smoke marijuana and you're not you don't

1683
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 6: do it around your kid. You're not high when you

1684
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 6: pick the kid up. That's what the judge, it says,

1685
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 6: the judge is supposed to take into consideration. And on

1686
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 6: the on the organ transplant, you know, you know if

1687
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 6: you're getting the kidney is one thing, But if you

1688
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 6: smoke marijuana the bad effects on your lungs, do you

1689
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 6: get a lung transplant? It just kind of says that

1690
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 6: it can't be the sole reason, but judges and other

1691
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 6: people can make a decision based on it's effect.

1692
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 2: Well, I guess the test would be with THT beverages, vapes,

1693
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,560
Speaker 2: tinctures and the other delivery systems for THHC. Yeah, you

1694
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 2: really shouldn't be high. You can't be high when you're

1695
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: on your kid. But how many people, how many parents,

1696
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 2: how many kids grew up listening to this thing, whether

1697
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 2: their parents would be in the backyard or the cookout

1698
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 2: or sell a bration and have a few beers, is

1699
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 2: it the same thing? And looking at that way, did

1700
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 2: they go, well, you know, this person was a picnic

1701
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 2: with their kid and was drinking in front of them.

1702
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 2: How's that any different than eating a gummy or hitting

1703
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 2: a vappen?

1704
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 5: No, I don't disagree with you.

1705
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 6: I think you know, if every weekend you're intoxicated from drinking,

1706
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 6: drinking beer or intoxicating with marijuana hemp is one thing,

1707
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 6: but you know, occasional beer and not being intoxicated there's

1708
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 6: another thing.

1709
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a state Senator, Steve Huffman. He sponsored

1710
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 2: Senate Bill fifty six. And this thing has been chopped

1711
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 2: up like a stolen car time and time and time again.

1712
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 2: And the Ohio Hemp Band kicks in tomorrow. It is

1713
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: largely it's one of the fastest growing beverage segments in

1714
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: America as a matter of fact, and so many people

1715
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 2: are turned on to it because they like the way

1716
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 2: they feel after they're doing two or three or more

1717
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 2: of these THFC and fused beverage instead of alcohols THC.

1718
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 2: They feel that they recover better the next day, there's

1719
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 2: not the hangover effect. They don't feel like they do

1720
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 2: after alcohol. And so we're seeing the craft industry kind

1721
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 2: of fade and the THC infused beveragestry to pick up,

1722
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 2: and not just in Ohio, but elsewhere around the country

1723
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 2: where this isn't a problem. And I think that's the

1724
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: other thing here. It seems like other states can handle this,

1725
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: even despite what the federal government is going to do.

1726
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 2: Why is Ohio so different about this?

1727
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 6: I agree, you see it being responsibly done in other states.

1728
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 6: And the House in the Senate thought we could.

1729
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 2: They thought better. They but you know it doesn't help

1730
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 2: Republicans control of course the state House. And then you

1731
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: know the same bodies will say, well, look at Cincinnati,

1732
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 2: it's a disaster. That's why you need to have more reply.

1733
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 2: I think we have a divided governments better. But nonetheless

1734
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 2: I look at that and go, well, how is this

1735
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 2: anything less than a big brother nanny state where you

1736
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 2: can tell adults who clearly want this stuff that they

1737
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 2: can't have it because we see some loopholes in here

1738
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 2: that makes us say no, you can have it, and

1739
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 2: that it seems to me that's what you're up against

1740
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 2: there in Columbus.

1741
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 6: Dyve No, I agree, And you know, looking forward, you

1742
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 6: know where does this go? I mean we've there's been

1743
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 6: some discussion on overriding the veto. There's not a large

1744
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 6: a group of people in either body the center of

1745
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 6: the House. I don't think that is like gun ho

1746
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 6: about overriding the veto on this. And if we did,

1747
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 6: it would still take ninety days to take effect. So

1748
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 6: if it say we did it April first July, for

1749
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 6: you could have the beverages again. But are these people

1750
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 6: that are producing these are they going to be able

1751
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 6: to idle their plants or idol what they do for

1752
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,879
Speaker 6: one hundred days and then they produced for four months,

1753
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 6: and then the federal band kicks in and then they're

1754
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 6: out of business again.

1755
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 5: That would be tough.

1756
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, there's thought about bringing a new build

1757
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 6: to have all those regulations and stuff. But until the

1758
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 6: first or second week of January and the governor de

1759
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 6: wine I think we put him on put it on

1760
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 6: his desk again, he would he would detow it again.

1761
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 6: So it's really not going to happen this year. And

1762
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 6: I don't you know whoever's going to be governor. I

1763
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 6: have not heard Amy acton or VI mention hemp, beveragers

1764
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 6: or marijuana in any real way, So who knows what

1765
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 6: if they wouldn't be towed or they'd be encouraging them.

1766
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 2: Are you concerned, Senator Huffman. The message this sends the

1767
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: business and that is, hey, you make a product, you

1768
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,799
Speaker 2: come up with a better mouse trap, so to speak,

1769
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 2: and people enjoy it, they like it, they demand it,

1770
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 2: and then we just simply shut you down. Why would

1771
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: I invest money in the Buckeye State if that is

1772
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 2: the pattern.

1773
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 6: Well, I hope to think it's not a pattern. I

1774
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 6: think we've helped a lot of businesses, but no, I

1775
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 6: can certainly understand that hopefully they'll be able to you know,

1776
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 6: malt liquors or seltzers or whatever they were putting THHD in.

1777
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 6: You know that they can, you know, start running those

1778
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 6: lines with beer or some type of alcohol and make money,

1779
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 6: because you know, you look at what we did. We

1780
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 6: were limited to five milligrams, but the House and the

1781
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,839
Speaker 6: Senate said you can brew it to up to twenty

1782
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 6: and sell that in Indiana and Kentucky or wherever else

1783
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 6: around the country you want, where it's legal, but have

1784
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,679
Speaker 6: people here employed and sell it elsewhere and make money

1785
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 6: and bring that tax to the state of Ohio.

1786
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, and I know you're a physician by

1787
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 2: trade and not an attorney, because god knows, we don't

1788
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 2: have enough attorneys in the General Assembly. But nonetheless, you're

1789
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 2: hearing the Supreme Court is going to rule tomorrow on

1790
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: this thing. Because the band goes into effect the law's

1791
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 2: effective date that the ruling will most likely go against

1792
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 2: the hemp beverage industry, and if that's right, is essentially finished.

1793
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like this is fatalistic. If you

1794
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: turn your taps off, you're not going to turn them

1795
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: back on. And if during this appeal, because you're waiting

1796
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 2: on that decision, it might go against you. And also

1797
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 2: you have, as you mentioned, the federal band in place.

1798
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 2: I think it feels to me like tht beverages are

1799
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:24,839
Speaker 2: done in the state of Ohio.

1800
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 5: Well, you got the federal or the.

1801
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 6: Ohio Supreme Court, which I'm told is not a very

1802
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 6: good argument at all. But then you have this a

1803
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 6: request for a temporary straining order in Franklin County about

1804
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 6: the interstate commerce clause. And you've seen a lot on

1805
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 6: different abortion things and other things.

1806
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 5: Is they just flack the.

1807
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 6: Temporary restraining order out there and say, well, I don't know,

1808
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 6: but I'm going to figure it out. And sometimes it

1809
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 6: takes a few week and sometimes it takes a few months.

1810
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 6: So I think that is what the industry is kind

1811
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 6: of looking at to get this temporary you know, they

1812
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 6: go to the most liberal places and that's to.

1813
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 2: Try to find out that's how it is.

1814
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 5: Right.

1815
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 2: So it's called the dormant commerce clause, and that's the

1816
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 2: argument they're going to use, is that Ohio can't give

1817
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 2: preference to a state product over a competing product. From

1818
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: another state. Is there any merit to that in your opinion?

1819
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 6: Like you said, I'm not the attorney, but the people

1820
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 6: I talk to say there is some merit, but it

1821
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 6: has never really been tested in this way from a

1822
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 6: fort or interpreted the way they want to.

1823
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,839
Speaker 5: But you know, maybe they look at it differently.

1824
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just have a problem because THC and

1825
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 2: few Saria hemp in few THHT drinks were it was

1826
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 2: a growing revenue stream for craft rowis another band, and

1827
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,839
Speaker 2: that's why they're fighting this in court. It's a survival

1828
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 2: issue for them. And I have a problem with Republicans

1829
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 2: touting that they're pro business when they do things like

1830
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 2: this and necessarily not necessarily you, but others because and

1831
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 2: including the governor for that matter. So what is your

1832
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 2: message to Ohioans then, Steve Hoffman who voted yes on

1833
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 2: two in twenty twenty three, people who use marijuana legally

1834
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 2: and responsibly and now find out, well, you could lose

1835
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 2: your job, your kids, an organ transplant, and I can't

1836
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 2: get something that I've enjoyed for the past couple of years. Anyway,

1837
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 2: what do you say to those voters? What do you

1838
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:25,480
Speaker 2: say to those people who don't feel represented.

1839
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 6: Well, I overall think that fifty six will make the

1840
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 6: marijuana industry better, less regulation, hopefully bring down the price,

1841
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 6: do that stuff like that. We've talked about the taxes

1842
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 6: that are going to the local jurisdictions, so those are

1843
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 6: good things. But you know, I think people need to

1844
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 6: make sure that there are people that represent them at

1845
01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 6: the state in the federal level about the need need

1846
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 6: for this, or that they want this, and hopefully the

1847
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 6: Feds and then the state will be able to change

1848
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 6: that to get to get it to happen again.

1849
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we've we've kind of we screwed up. It's

1850
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 2: amazing to me. It seems like we take something that's

1851
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 2: like a golden money tree and we screwed up. The

1852
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: nil thing is all messed up with the unclaimed funds.

1853
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 2: Instead of you know, attacks on legal gaming, which gamers

1854
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 2: and the industry said, yeah, that's fine because it's not

1855
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 2: like New York or California or taking half of it.

1856
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: It'd be and we didn't want to do that. And

1857
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 2: now we have this issue going on going, hey, we

1858
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 2: got all this money coming in from marijuana. Now we

1859
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 2: don't want that never mind. And yet you know, the

1860
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 2: state is flushed with money, but local municipalities aren't. Cincinnati

1861
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 2: City Cincinnati faces a budget crisis right now, and that's

1862
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 2: that's money that could be coming in. I don't understand it.

1863
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I don't know why. I don't

1864
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 2: know why we have people who are pearl clutters and

1865
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 2: something that's been proven to help the human condition. As

1866
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 2: a physician, I think you admit that there's just a

1867
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 2: lot of positives with cannabis, But again, it's a it's

1868
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 2: a grown adult putting something in their body they choose to,

1869
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 2: so there's a risk of intoxication and doing something that

1870
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 2: could get you into trouble, hurt, injured, or dead. But again,

1871
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 2: if you're an adult and you're doing this or not

1872
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 2: allong kids to do it, this is not a problem.

1873
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 2: This is a solution in search of one. State Senator

1874
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 2: Steve Hoffman, as always, thanks for coming on the show

1875
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 2: this morning. Have a wonderful weekend.

1876
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 5: You take care, Take care.

1877
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,040
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1888
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Speaker 2: Sloan Householders always here. That's why you tune in is

1889
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 2: to hear about the issues. And my wife and I

1890
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 2: go at each other because it's a sign of a healthy,

1891
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 2: healthy relations and shit. So I get home yesterday and

1892
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 2: I'm on the couch. I'm on my phone getting some answering,

1893
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 2: some emails and texts and stuff like that, and all

1894
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I hear this noise and it sounds

1895
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 2: like a big woosh. I'm like, what the hell is

1896
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 2: going on? And the dog comes running in, but this

1897
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: tail between his legs. What the hell happened in the kitchen?

1898
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 7: I go in.

1899
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,799
Speaker 2: It looked like a crime scene. There's there's like white

1900
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 2: residue all over the bottom of the cabinets, all over

1901
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 2: the floor, partly on his face. My wife, God bless her.

1902
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 2: In the morning, she gets her coffee, and what she

1903
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 2: likes to put in her coffee is an amalgam of products.

1904
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what's in their flavorings. There's elixirs, there's

1905
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. She does a seance over each cop

1906
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: and I'm not allowed to make her coffee because there's

1907
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 2: a specific sugar to fake sugar to product ratio that's

1908
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 2: going on here. It's a whole thing. And the witches

1909
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 2: brew if you will, And so she she One of

1910
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: the things she does is she will top it with

1911
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: whipped cream. So I buy the Costco aerosolized whipped cream

1912
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 2: for her, and she gives the habit is the doggle bag,

1913
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 2: and she gets it's the dog a little like that

1914
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 2: in the mouth, and the dog like, okay, good. So

1915
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 2: she puts it in the overfilled and I got to

1916
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: take the recycling out, but the recycling container and it

1917
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,480
Speaker 2: goes in there. The lid doesn't shut on the recycling

1918
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 2: can in the kitchen, and the dog sees the can.

1919
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 2: And the dog's pretty smart when it comes to dogs.

1920
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: A stupid son of a bitch. But when when you

1921
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 2: put food around this dog, he could do your taxes.

1922
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 2: And so he gets somehow grabs just the can by

1923
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 2: the little tip tippy thing, just the tip, and pulls it,

1924
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 2: steps it on the floor upright and is chewing on

1925
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 2: the top with the sugar is of course, Now what

1926
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 2: happens is that little white thing, this flexible breaks and

1927
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: gets stuck in a position where the can turns into

1928
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 2: a whippet. So the thing spinning around on the floor.

1929
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 2: It's throwing whipped cream, residue and power whatever it is

1930
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,719
Speaker 2: in there, all over the place, all over the dog.

1931
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 2: The dog flips out. He's now high because essentially he's

1932
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 2: got nitrous bumps because he's doing a whipp it. So

1933
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 2: the dog stoned out of his mind, and I got

1934
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 2: to clean the kitchen up. So it was a good day.

1935
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 2: It was a good day. The cabinets and base sports

1936
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 2: are clean. I took care of it. I took job,

1937
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 2: and my wife ordered me by bringing home girl scout cookies.

1938
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 8: I did. I you know, the little girl that was

1939
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 8: at the checkout or in the lobby or whatever, and

1940
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 8: I always say, I'll get you on the way out.

1941
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 8: I'm not going to buy the cookies before I go in.

1942
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 8: So then I was kind of hoping that maybe she

1943
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 8: wouldn't be there when I left Kroger, but she was

1944
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 8: still there. And I looked at her and said, okay,

1945
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 8: I promised you cookies. So I went and bought two

1946
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 8: boxes of cookies. And I tried a new flavor this year.

1947
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 8: I just called it, Hey, give me a box of

1948
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 8: lemon and she said she corrected me and said, it's lemonade.

1949
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 2: Oh, they're lemonade, Coki.

1950
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 5: Well is it?

1951
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, hon, is it in a glass?

1952
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 4: No?

1953
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 2: Then it's lemon The eight is the liquid part. These

1954
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 2: are liquid. These are solids that would be lemon lemonade

1955
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 2: is the liquid forest. It's like gas and solids. Never mind.

1956
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 8: And I got the chocolate peanut butter right, the little

1957
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 8: chocolate I don't know what they're called, but the little

1958
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 8: chocolate peanut butter ones. Yes, there were thin mints there,

1959
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 8: Oh my god, but I didn't go for the thin

1960
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 8: bing is is like, what.

1961
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 2: Kind of and yeah, obviously sugar is a big thing

1962
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 2: and all, uh, what kind of animal doesn't bring the

1963
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 2: thin mints home?

1964
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 9: You know?

1965
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 8: I wasn't.

1966
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 2: How did you do that? How are you not feeling thing?

1967
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 2: What is wrong with you? That's like, you know what?

1968
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 2: That's like getting a bag of guardettos in leaving. You know,

1969
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,560
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna eat the rye part. That's the best part,

1970
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 2: right exactly. Everyone goes, oh, that's the best part. Yeah,

1971
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 2: I don't want that. I want to I want the

1972
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 2: knock off pretzels that are in there. No, I don't know.

1973
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 8: I didn't feel the thin mints. I didn't feel like

1974
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 8: I wanted to buy three or four.

1975
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 2: But you gotta have That's where the flavor is.

1976
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:47,879
Speaker 8: Boxes.

1977
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 2: You got three, three different kinds of girl scouts because

1978
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 2: you got your lemonade, you get your peanut butter rounds,

1979
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 2: and then you got your thin mintes. But the flavors

1980
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 2: and the thin mints, that's where the that's where the

1981
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 2: flavor is.

1982
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 8: All right, the girls will be there. I'll go back

1983
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 8: and get you a box of things. See, here's what happened,

1984
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 8: and the reason why, the true reason why I did

1985
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 8: not buy thin mints. We buy thin min's and then

1986
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 8: we act like their gold. So we put them in

1987
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 8: the freezer and then they last year when we moved,

1988
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 8: I had a box of thin Mints in the freezer

1989
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 8: that had.

1990
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 2: Been there that you're so good.

1991
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 8: He wants to open them, so they save them for

1992
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 8: a special occasion. Well, that special occasion ever came and

1993
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 8: I had a box of thin Mints in the freezer.

1994
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 8: So I said, I'm not buying a box of thin

1995
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 8: Min's because we we wasted a whole box last year.

1996
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not good at the portion control with us.

1997
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 2: I mean, look at me. Yeah, I know it's it's

1998
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 2: really hair well and I'm inspired. Always go back to

1999
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 2: I had a guy I used to know I used

2000
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 2: to work with as an engineer, and uh, you know engineers,

2001
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 2: how they think it's like math and numbers and everything.

2002
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 2: And he would buy a certain number of boxes every

2003
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 2: of thin Min's every year. I forget how many. It's

2004
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 2: a ridiculous number of boxes of thin Mints. And he

2005
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 2: would have two thin Mints exactly every night with his

2006
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 2: after dinner, just for an entire year. And he spaced

2007
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 2: it out so that any factored vacation days, there, holidays,

2008
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 2: and came up to the exact number of boxes to buy,

2009
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 2: so that he would eat the last two Girl Scout

2010
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 2: cookies the day before the next round of Girl Scout

2011
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 2: Cookies would come out.

2012
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 14: Wow, what kind of discipline. And that's like Navy seal

2013
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 14: level discipline. That is incredible and it is something that

2014
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 14: we no idea. No no one listening does either, no

2015
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 14: one listening does. Let's talk about real estate stuff. We

2016
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 14: move on from sugar products.

2017
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,799
Speaker 8: Okay, to the Federal Reserve. Yesterday they held the interst

2018
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 8: rates steady. The Federate is steady. That was expected. There

2019
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 8: was only one vote to say let's lower them, and

2020
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 8: that was a Donald Trump.

2021
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 2: Person, pretty important person.

2022
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was very but it was eleven to one.

2023
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 8: They held the rate steady. Again, we expected that to happen.

2024
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 8: There's a lot going on in the world. We don't

2025
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 8: need to be messing with the interest rates at this point.

2026
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 8: What that did do, though, is it surged the mortgage

2027
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 8: interest rates up a little bit. We have been hovering

2028
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:13,480
Speaker 8: right around six percent for a mortgage interest rate average

2029
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 8: thirty year fixed six percent. As of this morning, it's

2030
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 8: up to six and a quarter. It's likely to fluctuate

2031
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 8: this in all of twenty twenty six. We really don't

2032
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 8: expect big fluctuations one way or another, certainly not lower good.

2033
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 8: We expect to be right around that six percent six

2034
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 8: and a quarter. Maybe you go to like a five

2035
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 8: nine to eight or something like that. You can always

2036
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 8: buy down the rate, and as you know, you can

2037
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 8: always refinance. And if you get a higher rate today,

2038
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 8: if the rates do go down a year from now

2039
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 8: or six months from now, you can always refinance. So

2040
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 8: expect the mortgage interest rates in twenty twenty six at

2041
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 8: least for the second third quarter to be right around

2042
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 8: six percent.

2043
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Well, so what does that mean for buyer sellers?

2044
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 8: You know, I think right now buyers, there's a lot

2045
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 8: of pent up demand. We are seeing the spring market,

2046
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 8: which honestly, March first started to go absolutely berserk. We

2047
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,680
Speaker 8: started to see people. I think everybody has been just

2048
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 8: shut in because of the weather and it's been unbelievable

2049
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 8: and everybody's like, I need a new house. I want

2050
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 8: to sell my house, I need to move. Something needs

2051
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 8: to move. So there are a lot more buyers out

2052
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 8: there than there are sellers. Again, that creates a seller's market.

2053
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:42,799
Speaker 8: And there are still some homes that have not sold

2054
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 8: from last fall. And I would say, if you're a buyer,

2055
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 8: don't be afraid to look at the homes that are

2056
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 8: still on the market, and because they are opportunities for

2057
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 8: great instant equity and there may not be anything wrong

2058
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 8: with them because over the winter we had very few

2059
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 8: showings on these homes and people just didn't go out.

2060
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 8: We were just frozen. We were frozen, all right.

2061
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,719
Speaker 2: But if the rates are stable, it's at me.

2062
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 8: It's like a new normal. It's fine. It's not seven percent,

2063
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 8: which is not good. It's six percent, which is which

2064
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 8: is It's a good, happy medium.

2065
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,719
Speaker 2: Right now, what's the outlook.

2066
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 8: The outlook is it's going to be again. It's going

2067
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 8: to be strong and steady. It's just going to be steady.

2068
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 8: It's not going to be gangbusters, there's not going to

2069
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 8: be a crash of any kind. It's just going to

2070
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 8: be kind of a nice even steady.

2071
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 2: Gotcha, steady steady. So what does that mean for the markets?

2072
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 2: And if you're looking for a house you want to sell.

2073
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 8: You need to do it. Go ahead, do it. What

2074
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 8: are you waiting for?

2075
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 2: What I'm waiting for is five percent?

2076
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 8: You're not going to wait?

2077
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 2: Well, I want four percent. I want That want was

2078
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 2: three percent. My back in the day, we had three

2079
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 2: per I want three percent.

2080
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 8: That is never in my lifetime and probably.

2081
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 2: Going to happen again.

2082
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 8: Ever going to happen again.

2083
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 2: So wait five years and that then'll be the fact

2084
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 2: of five.

2085
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 8: Well, no, I don't think so, I really don't, because

2086
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 8: it created it honestly created a situation that we're in

2087
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 8: today where people still are holding on to those three

2088
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:23,719
Speaker 8: percent rates. They don't want to sell their house because

2089
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 8: they know they're going to have to go, they're going

2090
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 8: to have to double it. And so as far as

2091
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 8: the market is concerned, I think right now we're slow

2092
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 8: and steady. There's a lot of people out there looking

2093
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 8: their buyers are being very picky sellers. Just you still

2094
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 8: have sellers, I will have to say, you have to

2095
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 8: do your prep work. There was a time a year

2096
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 8: or so ago when things were flying off the market

2097
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 8: in minutes. That's not happening today. There may be in

2098
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 8: certain school districts and certain properties are going to go

2099
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 8: really really quickly, So you just have to be ready.

2100
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 8: So as far as the market is concerned, it's slow

2101
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 8: and steady. But at the same time, you got to

2102
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 8: be ready. If you're ready, you're ready.

2103
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 2: So what's the what do you see the demand this season?

2104
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 2: Because we are now officially in house buying house selling season,

2105
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:13,719
Speaker 2: people want to get stuff done. Probably there's that rush

2106
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 2: right before school starts to get in a district. But

2107
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 2: even during the summer, it's pretty busy. So what do

2108
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 2: you see the summer.

2109
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 8: No, there's definitely demand right now. I mean again, we've

2110
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 8: been we've been really open for business since March first,

2111
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 8: and that's when the lock came off the real estate

2112
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 8: door and everybody is rushing in. So I expect it

2113
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 8: to be pretty busy, pretty busy. And that gets me

2114
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 8: to the next topic is making sure that if you

2115
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 8: are selling, your curb appeal has to be on point.

2116
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 8: You can't just have, you know, a ratty lawn and uh,

2117
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 8: you're going to have to take care of your take

2118
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 8: care of the outside of your home.

2119
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 2: So clean your bushes and shrubs up and tend to

2120
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 2: your trees. That is absolutely true.

2121
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:02,679
Speaker 8: The spring prep is on right now, and the weather

2122
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 8: is going to be gorgeous this weekend. And the interesting

2123
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 8: thing there, I have five things you ready, I think

2124
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 8: it's a little later in my.

2125
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 2: Hey you got a couple, Hey got a couple of minutes,

2126
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 2: Go ahead, just run.

2127
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 8: The five mistakes that you can make for your lawn

2128
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 8: and landscape right.

2129
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 2: Number one is not to buy thin mint's. Number two

2130
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 2: is to teach dogs to like whipped cream.

2131
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 8: Okay, Waiting too long to start is the biggest mistake,

2132
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 8: because you know, if it is right now, we're going

2133
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:40,440
Speaker 8: to be in the eighties on Sunday. Yay. Our weeds

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Speaker 8: are already germinating. We're already seeing some of the weeds

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Speaker 8: start to pop, right, and that's when you know it's happening.

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Speaker 8: All of the weeds are coming up. And so this

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Speaker 8: is the weekend. In the next probably ten days, you've

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Speaker 8: got to get on top of that. Otherwise you're going

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Speaker 8: to have weeds.

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Speaker 2: All year, right, right, right, So get your creen, get

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Speaker 2: your ground clear, get your grass kicked out, get get

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Speaker 2: your round up, get a mask on, don't breed that

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Speaker 2: stuff in and on fire away.

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Speaker 8: It's what you're saying, That's what I'm saying. The number

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Speaker 8: two mistake that you could make is the difference between

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Speaker 8: do you know what the difference between a queen queen,

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Speaker 8: a clean lawn and a weedy mess?

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Speaker 2: Do you know the difference? Yeah, there's fewer weeds on

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Speaker 2: a non weedy lawn.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, crab grass prevention again, did I talk about that

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Speaker 8: dumb question?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: What's the different?

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Speaker 2: A lot it has lots of weeds and a lot

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Speaker 2: that doesn't have weeds, I would say weeds.

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Speaker 8: I think you did? You did you already mess that.

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Speaker 2: Kind of Yeah, yeah, you put some of that stuff down.

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Speaker 2: But again you may need a law company to come

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Speaker 2: in or just yeah, if you have a How much

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Speaker 2: does that add to curb appeal though? Does it really

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Speaker 2: translate to more money?

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Speaker 8: Oh? Absolutely yes, yeah, because when people see huge patches

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Speaker 8: in your lawn and and things of that and it's

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Speaker 8: it's all nasty, it does make a difference when they

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Speaker 8: go in and they when you have the wow factor

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Speaker 8: on your curb appeal, that makes a huge difference.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And if there's bare patches, you know, you can throw

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Speaker 2: some patch down and just got to lightly rake it

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Speaker 2: or get the kind that's in the bag and you spray,

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Speaker 2: just spray it all down. And me with you're messing

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Speaker 2: with my I gotta get going. Oh, I said, you

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Speaker 2: got two minutes, you talk one topic, you talk for ten.

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Speaker 2: You're a gibber jabber. Do you know that my wife

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Speaker 2: is a legendary gibber jabber. I like the gibber down

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Speaker 2: here is a gibber jabber. Scott, do not cut the

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Speaker 2: grass too short. It's too soon to do that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people got their lawnmowers out. I saw

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Speaker 2: a couple of people cutting their grass. Oh not right now,

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Speaker 2: not too short, not too soon, too short, too soon,

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Speaker 2: got it Leave it high.

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Speaker 8: First, fe mos, you got to keep it higher. And

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Speaker 8: then don't over Malt drives me crazy, even like the

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Speaker 8: street crews that come through and they like seven feet

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Speaker 8: up the trunk of the tree. Wrong, bad, bad, don't

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Speaker 8: do it.

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Speaker 7: Don't do that. Don't do it.

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Speaker 2: Also, get rid of like you keep piling an old

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Speaker 2: bunch on new much new, mult on old, and it's

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Speaker 2: you've got this mountain. You gotta get to get rid

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Speaker 2: of something old put on the lawn. I'll break down,

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Speaker 2: I'll be good, right, that's all right, Love, you gotta go,

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Speaker 2: gotta go, man, oh man, Well go to go to

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Speaker 2: the store. Buy some whip cream.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna get some finance for you.

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Speaker 2: Just the pack one one pack, one sleeve of Thinness

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Speaker 2: is all I asked. All right, Love, you gotta go.

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Speaker 2: Willy's on the way in just minutes here and uh oh,

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Speaker 2: I forgot to plug her little er. You just got

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Speaker 2: the podcast at the iHeartRadio app and or her YouTube

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Speaker 2: show too as well. At Lonesel's Holmes dot com. My

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Speaker 2: wife Michelle slone, there you go. Okay, got the plug in.

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Speaker 2: The most important thing is are the ads get the

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Speaker 2: plugs in? Take care of the sponsors. That the seg

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Speaker 2: man would say, full news, and my wife did give

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Speaker 2: it away. We got a great weekend weatherwise coming. It

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Speaker 2: looks like fantastic for sure. So all that and more

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Speaker 2: in just minutes, has said Willie coming up on the

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Speaker 2: Home of the Red seven hundred w wt.

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Speaker 7: Since now