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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you read the Boston Globe on Sunday, which

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Speaker 2: of course you certainly should read the Boston Globe on Sunday. Well,

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Speaker 2: one of the pieces in the Ideas Colin was the

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Speaker 2: Long Strange Trip of David Bradnoy. His erudite brand of

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Speaker 2: libertarianism made him a fixture of Boston media for decades.

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Speaker 2: Newly unearthed correspondence with his mentor illuminates where many of

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Speaker 2: his ideas came from. Now you still never have a

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Speaker 2: headline ending with a preposition. But in that case, I

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Speaker 2: guess the Globe made an exception with us. Is the

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Speaker 2: author of that piece? It was not the headline writer

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Speaker 2: Daniel J. Flynn. He is Dan Flynn. Hey Dan, welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Nightside.

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Speaker 3: How are you outstanding? Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: You have a very interesting background. You're a Massachusetts guy,

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Speaker 2: spent time in the United States Marine Corps. You're a

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Speaker 2: visiting fellow the Hoover Institute, and have the author of

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Speaker 2: several books. The most recent is a book called The

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Speaker 2: Man Who Invented Conservatism, The Unlikely Life of Frank S. Meyer.

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Speaker 2: This story intersects with my predecessor, one of my predecessors,

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Speaker 2: David Brodnoy, I have the great opportunity to sit in

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Speaker 2: the same iconic talk host chair, not necessarily the chair

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Speaker 2: that he sat in, but the metaphorical position of not

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Speaker 2: only David, but Paul Sullivan too, much more talented talk

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Speaker 2: show hosts than I who preceded me here on WBZ.

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Speaker 2: David was here for many years, Paul here a shorter

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Speaker 2: period of time, but they both were great talk show hosts,

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Speaker 2: and I think my audience remembers them both well, and

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Speaker 2: they certainly remember David Brudnoy and the story. Tonight, we're

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Speaker 2: going to focus on David, who twenty one years ago

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Speaker 2: this month. Matter of fact, twenty one years ago next Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: passed away, and he has been missed ever since you

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Speaker 2: started down. You had your your own long strage trip here, uh,

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Speaker 2: investigating the life and times of someone who was a

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Speaker 2: mentor to David Brednoy, Frank Meyer, Frank s. Meyer. UH.

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Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about Frank Meyer, UH, and

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Speaker 2: why people will be interested not only in this book

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Speaker 2: in terms of David bretdnine, but also in terms of

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Speaker 2: learning about Frank Meyer.

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Speaker 4: So Meyer.

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Speaker 3: In the m I five and I six documents that

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Speaker 3: I have, they call him the that's the way, that's.

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Speaker 2: The British m I five and m I six of

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Speaker 2: the British UH the equivalent of the British CIA.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And so they call him the founder of the

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Speaker 3: communist student movement in Great Britain. He was the head

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Speaker 3: violent overthrow in the nineteen thirties of Ramsey McDonald, the

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Speaker 3: he was having a surreptitious affair with Ramsey McDonald's youngest

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Speaker 3: something like that, you're going to find yourself kicked out

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Speaker 3: of the country. He became a cause to leb in

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Speaker 3: England because of his deportation. When he came back to

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Speaker 3: the United States after about ten years, he reprises that role.

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Speaker 3: He was the Johnny apple Seed of communism in Great Britain,

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Speaker 3: and in a more quiet way, he becomes the Johnny

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Speaker 3: apple Seed of conservatism, ironically enough, in the United States.

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Speaker 3: And he does this from the unlikely location of Woodstock,

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Speaker 3: New York. Not only Woodstock, New York, but he's living

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Speaker 3: next to Bob Dylan, and all this time he's importing company,

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Speaker 3: he's mentoring the next generation of conservatives. He had, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's the first editor that publishes Joan Didion's freelance work.

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Speaker 3: Gary Wills, who later you know, later wins the Polser

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Speaker 3: Prize as a historian. He said in the fifties and

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Speaker 3: sixties he spent more time with Frank Meyer than anyone

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Speaker 3: outside of his family. All sorts of people come up there,

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Speaker 3: Meyer mentors. And of course this was lost to history

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Speaker 3: because these letters, you know, were in this warehouse that

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Speaker 3: tell a fascinating story that I think for your listeners

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Speaker 3: that know BRODNOI as a talk radio host, Well, what's

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a perfect setup. And tell me the story

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Speaker 2: of information quests which are totally legitimate, and because the

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Speaker 2: and what was known about him by our surveillance organizations

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Speaker 2: which overseveiled people in America at that time. I think

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Speaker 2: you were kind of cut off of the past. But

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Speaker 2: you're a good journalist. What did you do that got

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Speaker 2: you to this treasure trove of letters that also opened

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Speaker 3: Well. At the Hoover Institution where I'm now a visiting fellow,

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Speaker 3: None of that was at Hoover, and so I started

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Speaker 3: calling around, and finally I encountered this couple that had

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Speaker 3: lo and behold, there's a folder of sixty Letters between

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Speaker 3: Frank Meyer and David Brudnoy, and that really, you know,

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Speaker 3: He goes from this impersonator of Frank Meyer, this kind

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Speaker 2: My guest is Dan Flynn. He's an author. The book

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Speaker 2: that that brings him to our studio tonight, our metaphorical studio,

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Speaker 2: is the man who invented conservatism, The Unlikely life of

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Speaker 2: mentored David Brudnoy. We've told you the story of who

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Speaker 2: this this trove of letters was unearthed. Again. Dan Flynn

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Speaker 2: which of course what any good journalists should look for.

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Speaker 2: And when you get these letters lots of information. We're

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Speaker 2: who made the decision not only after David's death, but

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Speaker 2: then after Paul Sullivan's very untimely death. Paul Sullivan died

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Speaker 2: sadly of melanoma. At the young age of fifty, David died.

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Speaker 2: He lived a little longer, but he literally was on

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Speaker 2: I'll be back with my guest, Dan Flynn. If you

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Speaker 2: author of the book The Man Who Invented Conservatism, The

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Speaker 2: Unlikely life of Frank S. Meyer and his interactions his

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Speaker 2: We will get to phone calls, and we do have

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Speaker 2: So in these six minutes that we have left here

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Speaker 2: to the Breakdan, I assume it's fair to say that

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Speaker 2: With me is my guest, Dan Flynn. Dan is the

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Speaker 2: three quarter inch days of television, electronic news, and even

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Speaker 2: film all of a lot of that stuff has been discarded, sadly,

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Speaker 2: so sadly.

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Speaker 4: Well, I do remember a few things that they discussed.

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Speaker 4: They discussed their David was very interested in in Alan's

435
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Speaker 4: relationship with Bob Dylan. They were quite close friends, and

436
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Speaker 4: so that took up part of the conversation, and part

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Speaker 4: of a conversation was Alan's relationship with my late Wifeelsa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure must have been a fascinating evening

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Speaker 2: at the old Yeah boy, Harvey, I know that you

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Speaker 2: knew all of these characters. Is there any question in

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Speaker 2: your mind that is lingering for Dan Flynn who did

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Speaker 2: such a deep dive into the relationship that our friend

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Speaker 2: David had with Frank Meyer.

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Speaker 4: Well, only that I have not I will order you

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Speaker 4: a book, but I have not read your book. How

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Speaker 4: did the David and Frank Meyer meet?

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Speaker 3: So, David in sixty eight started writing for National Review,

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Speaker 3: and he wrote Meyer a letter very shortly thereafter. Meyer

449
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Speaker 3: lived in Woodstock and said, why don't you come up

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Speaker 3: to Woodstock. He actually lived on the property that was

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Speaker 3: adjacent to Dylan's property on Ohio Mountain Road in Woodstock,

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Speaker 3: and so Dylan's property was way set back. Myers was

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Speaker 3: on right, hugged the road, and my Brunnoy goes up

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Speaker 3: there and he said, I've never spent a more relaxing

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Speaker 3: or mentally taxing weekend in my life. And so in

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Speaker 3: the fifties, Meyer would Meyer's best friend was Eugene O'Neil junior,

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Speaker 3: and Eugene O'Neil junior just like any character in his

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Speaker 3: father's plays, you know, after a night of drinking and smoking,

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Speaker 3: and they would recite plays back and forth, and there

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Speaker 3: was all sorts of crazy stuff that went on. After

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Speaker 3: one of those nights, he went home and he he

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Speaker 3: he killed himself and Meyers Meyer's wife found the body.

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Speaker 3: Most of the times were a lot more jubilant than that.

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Speaker 3: But they would, but they would, but they would spend

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Speaker 3: all night because since since Meyer left the Commis party,

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Speaker 3: he stayed up all night. He was afraid they were

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Speaker 3: going to come back in exact retribution. So he stayed

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Speaker 3: up all night and slept during the day. And when

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Speaker 3: he had guests up there, Joan Diddeon or Gary Wills

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Speaker 3: or Ed Vulner or any of these people, they would

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Speaker 3: stay up all night and so I think that's what

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Speaker 3: David was saying, that he's never spent a more relaxing

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Speaker 3: weekend and he's never spent a more mentally taxing weekend.

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Speaker 3: But that's what they did up the epenwoodstock.

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Speaker 2: Harvey as always thank you for joining and contributing to

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Speaker 2: the conversations. I have very important important words and stories.

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Speaker 2: I as always.

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Speaker 4: Appreciated and on coming.

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Speaker 2: Dan, sure, sure, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Else when I visited David at the hospital the day

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Speaker 4: before he died, we had to get online. There were

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Speaker 4: so many people who came to pay their final respects

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Speaker 4: to David before he died, so he.

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Speaker 2: Almost had a uh a pre mortality wake and in

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Speaker 2: some respect, wow, it was it.

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Speaker 4: Was a I believe he was at the mass General.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was a pre wake.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well put. Well point. Harvey is always thank you,

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Speaker 2: my friend. I thank you for your friendship over so

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Speaker 2: many years. We'll be back on Nightside with more phone

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Speaker 2: calls with Dan Flynn, Dan who has written a book

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Speaker 2: on the life of Frank Meyer, but it intersected at

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Speaker 2: a very critical time in the life of our mutual

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Speaker 2: friend David Brednoye. Moving back on Nightside, right after this,

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Speaker 2: and we've got Janet, and we got Tina, and we

497
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Speaker 2: got Michael, and we're going to get them all in,

498
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Speaker 2: I promise.

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w BZ, Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: My guest is Dan Flynn, the man who invented conservatism.

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Speaker 2: His book The Unlikely Life of Frank S. Meyer. Big

502
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Speaker 2: part of the book that will be of interest to

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Speaker 2: my listeners is the influence that Meyers Frank Meyer had

504
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Speaker 2: on David Brednoy, one of my predecessors. In this program,

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Speaker 2: let me go to Janet in Boston. Janet, welcome to Nightside.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you. I enjoyed and thank you for sharing

507
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Speaker 6: my meeting with David at the coffee shop on Newberry Street.

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Speaker 6: And I just want to add a little PostScript to that.

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Speaker 6: Strap meeting went on every four to six weeks for

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Speaker 6: over four years, and during that time, you know, he

511
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Speaker 6: interviewed me practically every Saturday. He wanted very curious, you know,

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Speaker 6: once he found out I was a nurse, why did

513
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Speaker 6: I become a nurse, And why was I working in Boston?

514
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Speaker 6: And why did I leave Canada and so on. So

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Speaker 6: but the interesting thing is that the longer he got

516
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Speaker 6: to know me, and the more he interviewed me, he

517
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Speaker 6: started sharing some extremely extremely personal information about himself. And

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Speaker 6: you know, I just I couldn't believe. And I because

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Speaker 6: I felt at first when when this happened, when I

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00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 6: first met him, I felt, you know, I was intruding.

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Speaker 6: It was his morning off, he was enjoying his coffee.

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Speaker 6: But it was unbelievable that it went on for so

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Speaker 6: many years.

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Speaker 2: He must have trusted you as a great friend to

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Speaker 2: have brought you into his circle of friends. Janet.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and he just, you know, he certainly, you know,

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Speaker 6: got a lot of information about me. But then then

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Speaker 6: he start to open up and and and told me

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Speaker 6: some you know, very you know, as I say, personal,

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Speaker 6: which I certainly won't share, but it was it was

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Speaker 6: a wonderful, wonderful experience getting to know him.

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Speaker 2: Well, Dan, thanks for joining us and finishing the second

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Speaker 2: section of that story. We'll talk soon, okay, okay, thank you.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny when you mentioned earlier tonight, Dan Flynn,

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Speaker 2: that Meyers letters and all of his documents were stored

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Speaker 2: in a warehouse in Altoona, Pennsylvania. I was reminded yesterday

537
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Speaker 2: that the only other thing I know about Altoona, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: That's where they arrested Luigi Mangioni about a year ago

539
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Speaker 2: for the murder for the alleged murder of the United

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Speaker 2: Healthcare executive. And now I know another item of Altuna,

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania a little more pleasant than what we learned in court.

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Speaker 3: The mallow cups come from Altuna too.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good to know. Let me go to Tina

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Speaker 2: in Wunsaka, Rhode Island. Tina, you were on with Dan Flynn.

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Speaker 3: Go right ahead, dance, Yes, hello to the two Dan's.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 6: I really loved mister Bredna.

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Speaker 7: I used to call him up all the time. And

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Speaker 7: the one thing I liked about him he was similar

550
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Speaker 7: to you, Dan Ray, because he always liked my calls.

551
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 7: He always used to comment and what I had to say.

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Speaker 7: And I really liked him because he was so smart.

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Speaker 7: He was an intellectual and a lot of times when

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Speaker 7: I call a radio program, I'm trying to learn something.

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Speaker 7: So I really admire of somebody who has who was

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Speaker 7: in brilliant and intelligence because I'm just an ordinary person.

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Speaker 7: I don't have that much like David Breundno I had.

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Speaker 2: And well, so I hope you're not necessarily looking to

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00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: learn a lot from my programs, but uh, my guests

560
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: are people who are pretty smart, like Dan Flynn, so

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Speaker 2: that that compensates for it.

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Speaker 6: I hope, Oh I didn't.

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Speaker 7: I don't know Dan Flynn at all. All I knew

564
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Speaker 7: was David Brodnoy and how much I enjoyed him.

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Speaker 2: I don't enjoy, you'll enjoy. You'll enjoy this book if

566
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Speaker 2: you get an opportunity to get it. It's uh, it

567
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Speaker 2: would it's it would be an interesting read for you.

568
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: The man who invented conservatism, The Unlikely Life of Frank S. Meyer.

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Speaker 2: He had a big impact on David Brodnoy as always, Tita,

570
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Speaker 2: thank you appreciate it so much. We'll talk again. Okay,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much.

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Speaker 7: Okay, all right, good night.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to Mike and Quincy. Mike, you're next

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Speaker 2: on Night Side with Dan Flynn.

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Speaker 8: Hey, how's it going, Dan, And we're.

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Speaker 2: Going We're going find but time is tempest fugit here.

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Speaker 8: I wanted to make a key point. Yeah, David always

578
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Speaker 8: talked about the ideas and the argument. Uh, I'm a

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Speaker 8: flame and liberal. I called him twice and he was

580
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Speaker 8: very very respectful about the ideas as compared to his successor,

581
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Speaker 8: Avi Nelson, who sometimes would attack people.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, as a flaming liberal, you're supposed to

583
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Speaker 2: now get it with the times here, you're progressive. Mike.

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Speaker 8: Oh, no, I'm a list.

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Speaker 2: I'm only teasing you, did Flints Say hi to Mike,

586
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Speaker 2: one of my more liberal listeners.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Mike, Well, I think the thing with David. Both

588
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Speaker 3: David and Frank Meyer were guys that converted to conservatism

589
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Speaker 3: or libertarianism. They started out on the left, and I

590
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Speaker 3: think sometimes, you know, when you start somewhere else, you

591
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Speaker 3: can be a little bit more tolerant of people because

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Speaker 3: you realize, well, you held these ideas way back when,

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Speaker 3: and it wouldn't have helped much if you started shouting

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Speaker 3: someone down or berating them or saying they're dumb because

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Speaker 3: they don't agree with you, Because of course, those people,

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Speaker 3: you know, decades earlier believed the same thing as the

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Speaker 3: people they disagree with. So I think some people that

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Speaker 3: make that into actual journey, they tend to have a

599
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Speaker 3: little bit more tolerance. And I think David had a

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Speaker 3: lot of torrance with callers, just as just as Dan does.

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Speaker 8: Mike was very respectful. I remember once I called him

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Speaker 8: about a point he made about JFK and I wanted

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Speaker 8: to argue with him and he blew me out of

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Speaker 8: the water.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you had your good nights as well, Mike.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you call. Keep calling nights. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna wrap the hour with Mike and Plymouth. Save

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Speaker 2: the best for last. Go ahead, Mike and Plymouth you

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Speaker 2: next time.

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Speaker 9: Night, Jay, Dan, and Dan, thank you for taking my

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Speaker 9: call real quickly. I just want to share a fond

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Speaker 9: memory of my dad. Who's my late dad, whose birthday

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Speaker 9: was today, died thirty one years ago. My dad was

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Speaker 9: a moonlighter Dan. He worked two full time jobs and

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Speaker 9: on his eleven to seven shift when I was on

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Speaker 9: break from high school or college. In between breaks, he

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Speaker 9: would take me with him to work at Harvard University

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Speaker 9: as a janitor and I would help him out and

620
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Speaker 9: give me twenty for the week to help him clean

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Speaker 9: press his offices.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 9: And on the on the way on the way to

624
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Speaker 9: work at ten thirty, going down the Jamaica Way and Brookline,

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Speaker 9: he would be listening to David Brudnoy. I would want

626
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Speaker 9: the bruins of the Celtics on him. He would say,

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Speaker 9: listen to this guy he's brilliant. This guy's My dad

628
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 9: was a Kevin White Tipple Neil Democrat that had nothing

629
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Speaker 9: in common with David's politics. But he knew intellectualism and

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Speaker 9: he appreciated it, and he knew and he also enjoyed movies.

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Speaker 9: He couldn't tell you the starting lineup of the Celtics

632
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Speaker 9: or the Red Sox, but he could tell you the

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Speaker 9: cast of every John Wayne movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I used to call the affinity for David is that

636
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Speaker 9: he loved his movie reviews.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he used to used to call the basketball teams

638
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 2: the men in the short pants. Well, this my great,

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Speaker 2: great call. Thank you so much for ending on a

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Speaker 2: real positive note. As always, Thank you.

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Speaker 9: My friend, and thank you for taking my call on

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Speaker 9: my dad's birthday.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

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00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: Well, happy birthday. Hopefully your dad's sitting somewhere in a

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00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: far away place tonight. But the busy signal is still

646
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Speaker 2: getting up there.

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Speaker 9: Okay, thanks Mike, he's smiling tonight on you appreciate it,

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Speaker 9: Dan Flynn.

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Speaker 2: I can tell how much you loved doing this book

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Speaker 2: from our conversations of the last couple of days and

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Speaker 2: of course our conversation tonight. Uh, the book. It's a

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Speaker 2: long title, The Man who Invented Conservatism The Unlikely Life

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Speaker 2: of Frank S. Meyer. A lot in there about David Brednoi,

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Speaker 2: which should interest my audience. How can folks get the book?

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Speaker 2: Is it Is it available Amazon and regular places or

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Speaker 2: do you have a website with theses?

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Speaker 3: Way mainly Amazon. It's published by Encounter Books and i

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Speaker 3: I Books, so it's it's a joint production, but it's yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think most people these days, about half of them

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Speaker 3: are getting him on Amazon. So yeah, you can get

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Speaker 3: the man who havented Conservatism there. And obviously, you know,

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Speaker 3: you knew David as a friend. I just knew him

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Speaker 3: as a listener, so it was just something. To get

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Speaker 3: to know him in the letters was a complete thrill

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Speaker 3: because he's not a guy that I knew in life.

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Speaker 3: And what an amazing thing that I mentioned this party

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Speaker 3: back in the nineteen seventies and you say, oh, I

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Speaker 3: was there. I mean, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Boston's a small world, big city, small town, you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Dan Flynn. I enjoyed it exceeded

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Speaker 2: my expectations, and I know the book will as well.

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Speaker 2: And also people can read a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: taste of this if they can get to the Boston

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Speaker 2: Globe from last Sunday The Long Strange Trip of David

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Speaker 2: Brudnoy in the Ideas Column and Your Sunday Globe written

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Speaker 2: by Daniel J. Flynn. Dan Flynn, we will talk soon, Okay, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, my friend, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: When we get back on night Side, the great Rick Edelman,

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Speaker 2: he is going to talk with us tonight about his

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Speaker 2: new book which deals with college. It's called The Truth

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Speaker 2: About College, and we'll have Rick Edelman and also an

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Speaker 2: opportunity for you to ask questions of mister Edelman back

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Speaker 2: on Nightside after this that