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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike since he three sixty about Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hello, welcome in our two of Tony Pikes since

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Speaker 3: E three sixty. Here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 3: You might be wondering where on God's green Earth is Tony.

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Speaker 3: He's still employed. He's just a little under the weather today,

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Speaker 3: so it's just me, hopefully the big fellow back tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: But the show goes on, and every Tuesday we talk

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Speaker 3: to our guy, Joey d Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen

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Speaker 3: who joins us. Now, Joe, have you begun your preparations

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Speaker 3: for Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 2: I have, and by my preparations, Austin, that means running

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Speaker 2: extra miles every single day, so I don't feel guilty

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Speaker 2: about the crime I'm going to commit on Thursday at

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Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving table ahead of the Bengals in the Raven Game.

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Speaker 2: To me, Thanksgiving is the best holiday of the year.

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Speaker 2: I love Christmas. I love Christmas, but Thanksgiving comes with it.

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Speaker 2: What I feel are the two best gifts to men,

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Speaker 2: food and football, and they come with an overflowing amount

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Speaker 2: on Thursday. I can't wait. What a huge Thursday it

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Speaker 2: is for Cincinnati. Everybody gets to eat and then everybody

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Speaker 2: gets to watch Joe Burrow make his return on Thursday

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Speaker 2: night football. Happy Thanksgiving, Austin. What a night it's going

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 3: Well, Happy Thanksgiving to you, Joe, and thank you for

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Speaker 3: being here and we're thankful for your presence on this

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Speaker 3: show each and every day. Before we get to Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 3: let me ask you, how, like, how many miles a

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Speaker 3: day do you normally run? And are you the type

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Speaker 3: of person that does a turkey trot on Thanksgiving morning?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I've been training for it because when I

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Speaker 2: was younger, I was a competitive runner, and I think

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Speaker 2: when you're a competitive runner, you have a hard time

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Speaker 2: you're in your forties and you're out running leisurely, you're

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Speaker 2: decided to set a target, and I was preparing for

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Speaker 2: nights ago I saw the forecasts for Thursday morning, and

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Speaker 2: I'm now officially spooked, and I'm on defense. I'm actually

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Speaker 2: going to do the race. You're talking temperatures in the

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Speaker 2: even higher. A. That's miserable. B. I think it would

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Speaker 2: So I might be like Ryan Rico, a drop back

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Speaker 2: I'm ready. Wait, but I'm sure it's going to allow

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Speaker 3: Well, I would share the same advice with you that

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Speaker 3: I share with Bengals fans who fear the return of

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow and getting hurt again, and that is that

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Speaker 3: you cannot live a life out of fear. You only

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Speaker 3: have one life and one opportunity. Why Joe Burrow, Why now?

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Speaker 3: Why is this all happening the way it's happening.

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Speaker 2: Well, Number one, I think he's earned it, okay, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's okay for everybody in this discussion, and

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Speaker 2: that's everybody listening to this show. I'm sure has had

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Speaker 2: an opinion on Joe Burrow. Should he come back, should

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Speaker 2: he not come back? When's the right time for him

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Speaker 2: to come back. And I'm going to get a lot

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Speaker 2: of your listeners are a lot like me who have

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Speaker 2: changed their opinion on this and aren't really sure where

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Speaker 2: in that stance. But I kind of see both sides

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Speaker 2: I'll go back to what I said at the start

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Speaker 2: of your question, which was I believe he's earned it.

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Speaker 2: When this happened, we were all thinking a mid December

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Speaker 2: And if he's given and he has been given a

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Speaker 2: That's when he's in the game. The pockets, money bodies

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Speaker 2: sure they knew how he was going to react from

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Speaker 2: think Thursday night to night and not Sunday against the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: We all understand the Bengals playoff chances, but I think

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Speaker 2: most importantly Joe has earned this, and I think his

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Speaker 2: Certainly a coaching staff that needs to be evaluated when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. Now there's been a lot

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Speaker 3: Do you think there's going to be that big of

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Speaker 2: I think there will be changes. I think if you

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Speaker 2: that's not in Joe Burrow's DNA. I get that. That's

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Speaker 2: So for me to sit here and talk about it

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Speaker 2: How it looks different. Will it look different? We won't

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Speaker 3: The Bengals, Deep has a long way to go, but

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Speaker 3: they are at least showing signs of improvement, a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it's about evaluation now of individual players

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Speaker 2: And certainly with Cam Taylor, BRIT's future and how very

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Speaker 2: We've talked so much about the linebackers and what they're

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Speaker 2: Carter had a good game on Sunday. Yet if you

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Speaker 2: and maybe even earn the finals. Six weeks a spot

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Speaker 2: come with higher expectations. He's played well under expectation his

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Speaker 2: I know as a whole, the run defense has been better.

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Speaker 2: We saw them show some guts, show some fight at

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Speaker 2: Now are the New England Patriots just a good fit

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Speaker 2: for the Bengals defense to look better because they aren't

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Speaker 2: just an explosive offense. Perhaps, And I think maybe you

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Speaker 2: with the Ravens twice in the Bills. But I think

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Speaker 2: you are seeing signs of individual players showing small bits

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Speaker 2: second half of the season. Here the final six weeks,

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Speaker 2: the guys like Miles Murphy, Demetrius Knight, Barrett Carter showing

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Speaker 2: signs that they can be contributors and counted on. In

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Speaker 2: Well, boy, that's such a great question. Often I'll go

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson, even though I'm not sure he's going to

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Speaker 2: be counted on, and the Bengals have made it very

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Speaker 2: You're gonna set the fence on this one, Okay, If

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Speaker 3: the question because sometimes the truth hurts, but it's it's

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Speaker 3: the truth. Uh, Joe, You've been generous with your time,

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Speaker 3: really appreciated. Hope you have a great Thanksgiving. We appreciate you,

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Speaker 3: and we'll talk to you again next week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, ma'am. Austin happiest of Thanksgivings, Like a champion on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Get it done, yeat, yeat.

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Speaker 3: Indeed that is Joe Danim and he's the best. We

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Speaker 3: are way late talkbacks for next ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: Thanksgiving Day is about family, food, and most importantly football.

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Speaker 4: Armyloves Bengals look to roast the rival Ryvens in an

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Speaker 4: AFC North Turkey tussle that reminds me I thought you

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Speaker 4: should know. I really enjoy a delicious slice of punkin

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Speaker 4: pie with whipped cream. It's Cincinnati versus Baltimore. Coverage begins

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Speaker 4: at four pm Thursday. Stream for free on the new

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Speaker 4: and improved iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official

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Speaker 4: home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: People are buzzing