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Speaker 1: The following takes place between six pm and seven pm.

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Speaker 1: You want answers, I think I'm entitled.

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Speaker 2: You answer the truth. You can't handle the truth?

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Speaker 3: Truth the truth, and welcome everybody. My name is Mike Petralia.

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Speaker 3: You might know me better on social media platforms as

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Speaker 3: trags and I am filling in for the one and

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Speaker 3: only Lance McAllister tonight on Sports Talk presented by RNL

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Speaker 3: Carriers here on news Radio seven hundred wl W. It

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Speaker 3: is an abbreviated version of RNL Carriers Sports Talk Tonight

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Speaker 3: because we have the Wes Miller Show coming up at

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Speaker 3: eight o'clock. Dan Horde and Terry Nelson will take over

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Speaker 3: at that time and talk all things you see, bearcats myself,

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Speaker 3: I'll be talking a little bit of Bearcats tonight at

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Speaker 3: six point thirty eight with Neil Meyer of Bearcat Blitz.

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Speaker 3: Will also be talking about those red hot RedHawks from

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Speaker 3: Miami of Ohio, the twenty fourth ranked and still unbeaten

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Speaker 3: Miami of Ohio RedHawks. I was able to take in

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Speaker 3: a game the other night, a terrific game with U

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Speaker 3: mass on Tuesday night, RedHawks coming out on top eighty

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Speaker 3: six to eighty four, staying unbeaten. The only other unbeaten

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Speaker 3: team in college basketball that would be the number one

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Speaker 3: ranked Arizona Wildcats. Well, also with Paul talks some Xavier Musketeers.

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Speaker 3: They took it on the chin last night in Newark,

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Speaker 3: New Jersey, losing to Seaton Hall. We'll also talk about

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Speaker 3: one of my favorite subjects from my past. That is,

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Speaker 3: of course, is Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots

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Speaker 3: back in the news this week. He was snubbed by

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame Patriots, also of course getting it

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Speaker 3: back to the Super Bowl remarkably quickly after a back

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Speaker 3: a pair of four win seasons back to back. It's

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Speaker 3: a different team with Mike Brabele. We'll talk about all

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Speaker 3: of that at seven thirty seven with the one and

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Speaker 3: Only Alex Barth from ninety eight to five the Sports

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Speaker 3: Hub in Boston. But first I want to welcome my

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Speaker 3: partner from the last couple of weeks. We filled in

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Speaker 3: of course on the reds Hot Stove here on WLW.

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Speaker 3: It was my pleasure to fill in with him. Now

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Speaker 3: I get to return the favor, at least for the

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Speaker 3: next fifteen minutes or so. Mark Sheldon of MLB dot

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Speaker 3: Com and Redstock dot Com to talk all things Cincinnati Reds.

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Speaker 3: Are you staying warm?

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Speaker 2: Mark, I'll be honest with you, Tries, I'm freezing.

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Speaker 4: I just got back inside from walking the dog, and

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Speaker 4: oh my goodness, it's you're inside.

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Speaker 2: But now I'm inside and cozy.

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Speaker 3: You need Do you have a fireplace?

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Speaker 4: We have a fireplace, and I'm good about to go

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Speaker 4: stand next to it and.

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Speaker 3: Get that thing stoked up, because that's what got me

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Speaker 3: through the weekend during all of the storm. Do you

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Speaker 3: know what else gets me through the cold winter months?

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Speaker 3: That would be talking baseball. And in just about ten days,

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Speaker 3: believe it or not, pictures and catchers are reporting. You

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Speaker 3: head for Goodyear. I believe Super Bowl Sunday, Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: That is correct.

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Speaker 4: I will be there and then on the ground and

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Speaker 4: Goodyear on the ninth, and then a couple of days

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Speaker 4: after that they started their first workout, and then a

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Speaker 4: few days after that the full squad reports and works out, so.

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Speaker 3: That comes quick. Obviously, this is one of those years

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Speaker 3: where the Winter Baseball or I'm sorry, the World Baseball

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Speaker 3: Classic is being held this spring, so baseball, major League Baseball,

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Speaker 3: accounts for that. What kind of off season do you

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Speaker 3: think in general, the most general question I can ask

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Speaker 3: to open things up, what kind of off season do

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Speaker 3: you think Nick Crawl and Brad Metter have had for

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Speaker 2: I would say it's been mixed.

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Speaker 4: I think in one sense, they really did accomplish their

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Speaker 4: goal of really bolstering and filling the bullpen. That seemed

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Speaker 4: that was a priority going into the offseason because they

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Speaker 4: got Amelia pegan Re signed for two years at twenty million,

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Speaker 4: that was a big start of it. And then they

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Speaker 4: then Brock Burke, and it just feels like they really

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Speaker 4: adding offense, and certainly the Kyle Schwarber efforts fell short,

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Speaker 4: but they have never pivoted.

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Speaker 2: Outside of JJ.

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Speaker 4: Bledet and Daan Myers, they did not really add any

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Speaker 4: and I think that's going to be an issue going

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Speaker 3: All right. I don't want to get too too deep

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Speaker 3: into the Weeds. But the TV contract situation main Street Sports,

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Speaker 3: main Street Media that owns a Vallet Sports network, and

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Speaker 3: I believe that impacts nine different Major League Baseball teams,

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Speaker 3: the Reds being one of them. Is that keeping the

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Speaker 3: the unknown of that media deal going forward, keeping the

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Speaker 3: Reds from signing au Haineo Suarez and bringing them back

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Speaker 4: I couldn't say about Suarez specifically, but I can only

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Speaker 4: base it on what happened last year. Is once they

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Speaker 4: got their their TV situation sorted out, some extra money

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Speaker 4: signed Austin Hayes. And you know, that's all I can

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, the TV thing has been

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Speaker 4: All I do know is that either they'll end up

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Speaker 4: on Fan Duel Sports again, or they'll be on MLB.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if there's a third option based on that.

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Speaker 4: What I know is it's either gonna they're gonna go

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Speaker 4: to MLB like a few clubs have, or they'll they'll

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Speaker 4: return to Fandel. We'll off to to see I think,

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Speaker 4: I just I've never seen anything like this.

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Speaker 2: I know it's been like this. Maybe the last four

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Speaker 4: But this specific like Main Street's waiting on a buyer,

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Speaker 4: and that's that's a little that's a little unique to

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Speaker 4: I think one way or the other, fans will definitely

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Speaker 4: get to see the Reds on television. It's just whether

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Speaker 4: how much money the Reds will will get in that

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Speaker 3: Now correct me if I'm wrong, and I know you

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Speaker 3: long enough, you will do that. If the Reds traded

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Speaker 3: away Gavin Lux for lefty reliever Brockburg two for one,

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Speaker 3: for one purpose, add another lefty arm to the bullpen,

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Speaker 3: But in another way, in another sense, they also unclogged

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Speaker 3: If they were to go out and sign au Hanio Suarez,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know Suarez would certainly be a hit,

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Speaker 4: that's suarez His position. If Suarez was was to come

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Speaker 2: Not sure that's what he would want.

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Speaker 4: I haven't obviously spoken to him certainly lately, but I

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of surprised that had happened yet. But Suarez

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Speaker 4: certain someone that hit forty nine homers for the Reds

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Speaker 2: To that production.

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Speaker 3: I just you know, you and me watched a lot

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Speaker 3: last several years, they just don't have enough power in

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Speaker 3: it just seems counterintuitive to me. Yes, you do want

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Speaker 3: think this whole media rights deal with Main Street Media

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Speaker 4: Well, they want to accentuate what they have, but certainly

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Speaker 4: They are banking that he will not be the disappointment

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Speaker 2: That he was last season.

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Speaker 4: Now two years removed from shoulder surgery, they'd like to

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Speaker 2: And those are the kind of guys that they're going to.

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Speaker 4: Be banking on while also focusing on run prevention, whether

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Speaker 4: it's through the pitching that bolstered the bullpen, they have

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Speaker 4: So in some sense, they're they're they're doing run prevention

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Speaker 4: that just seems like that would fit them so many ways,

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Speaker 2: The division title.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Austin Hayes. Is there any update mark with

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Speaker 3: regard to Austin Hayes and also Miguel and Douhar.

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Speaker 2: Other than they did.

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Speaker 4: They've been in touch and there the lines are open

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Speaker 4: with communication.

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Speaker 2: Nothing new.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Austin Hayes was one of the last guys

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Speaker 4: straightened out and right before camp opened. I think he

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Speaker 4: see that happening, I mean a few years ago, even

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Speaker 4: though I don't know if they'd be looking at him,

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Speaker 4: but like a guy like Tommy Fams signed in middle

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Speaker 4: of March, so that you know, spring training opening is

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Speaker 4: not necessarily a deadline of any kind. You can add

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Speaker 4: Well, certainly we mentioned the offense. Where will it come from?

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Speaker 3: You are heading out on Super Bowl Sunday, two, Goodyear,

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Speaker 3: He is Mark Sheldon. Does a fabulous job covering all

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Speaker 3: check him out. Mark, thanks so much for joining me

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Speaker 3: and please stay warm.

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Speaker 2: You do the same, ol seaat in Arizona sounds good.

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Speaker 3: partnered with the Believe Network the one and only Neil Meyer. Neil,

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Speaker 3: as I asked Mark Sheldon a little earlier, I hope

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, I am saying warm trags to say the

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of Bearcat topics I want to

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Speaker 3: but I want to start off talking football. First of all,

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Speaker 5: So when you look at the journey for Kobe Bryant,

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Speaker 3: That's neil Meyer and he is taking time out of

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Speaker 5: And when we covered him throughout his career trags, that's

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Speaker 5: leadership and that alcolade, he not only dominates on the field,

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Speaker 5: but he also has that leadership role as well. So

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Speaker 5: for him to kind of break that break that little

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Speaker 5: And that comes with being one of the older guys

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Speaker 5: for Seattle too, because despite only being in the league

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Speaker 5: for three four years, he is a veteran guy, being

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Speaker 5: twenty six. So for Kobe to see him step into

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Speaker 5: that kind of leadership role right away for Seattle, it

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Speaker 5: was not surprising because that was something he did so

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Speaker 5: well at Cincinnati throughout his years.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've spent a good amount of time here speaking

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Speaker 3: with Neil Meyer talking about bearcats already in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about one. And you have a great video

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Speaker 3: up on your Twitter page of Cyrus Allen, a wide receiver,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of scouts and a lot of observers

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Speaker 3: who are down at the Senior Bowl have pointed out

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Speaker 3: he is showing off his tremendous speed, his route running ability,

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Speaker 3: and I want to spend some time talking about Cyrus

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Speaker 3: Allen and what kind of prospect. Do you think he

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Speaker 3: is going into the NFL Draft come coming up in April.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's going to be a guy.

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Speaker 5: Like you mentioned. Obviously, he got it sent down to

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Speaker 5: the Shine Bowl Eastern West Shrine Bowl, which was played

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Speaker 5: in Frisco, Texas, So he got an.

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Speaker 6: Invite down there.

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Speaker 5: He went down there and he showed showed a lot

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Speaker 5: of scouts what he was able to do. Where after

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Speaker 5: dominating that postseason bowl game, he then earns an invite

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Speaker 5: to the Senior Bowl, which is the biggest postseason combine

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Speaker 5: per se for college athletes looking to take that next

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Speaker 5: level to the NFL.

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Speaker 6: So he's been dominating at the Eastern West Shrine Bowl.

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Speaker 6: Now he's tearing it up at the Senior.

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Speaker 5: Bowl down in Mobile, Alabama. So it's cool to see

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Speaker 5: Cires kind of have that because he's so crafty and

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Speaker 5: so unique. He's a little bit undersized, being five ft

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Speaker 5: eleven only about one hundred and eighty five pounds, but

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Speaker 5: he could be a guy that could come in and

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Speaker 5: be the steel of a draft on the offensive side

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Speaker 5: of the ball, just due to his route running.

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Speaker 6: His speed.

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Speaker 5: Guy who had thirteen touchdowns this past season and for

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Speaker 5: Cincinnati tied the program a single season record in just

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Speaker 5: one season. A very vocal leader. That is a guy

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Speaker 5: most teams are gonna want on their team because he's

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Speaker 5: going to be one of those that takes advantage of

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Speaker 5: that opportunity given him. And we're seeing that right now

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Speaker 5: with how he's performing at these postseason bowl games.

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Speaker 6: Because for people who.

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Speaker 5: Followed Cyrus throughout his career trags, he started out at

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Speaker 5: Louisiana Tech, then he ended up at Texas Tech or

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Speaker 5: Texas A and M, where an injury kind of slowed

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Speaker 5: him down. So Cincinnati took a chance on a guy

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Speaker 5: who was bounced around from a couple of different schools,

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Speaker 5: and that's a testament to the job that Cincinnati staff

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Speaker 5: has done. Newly promoted wide receivers coach VJ. Stingley was

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Speaker 5: a huge part in Cyrus Allen's development there at Cincinnati,

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Speaker 5: alongside Brad.

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Speaker 6: Glenn as well.

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Speaker 5: So seeing what they have been able to do in

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Speaker 5: just one year with Cyrus Allen has really taken his

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Speaker 5: game to the next level where he could be that

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Speaker 5: seal of the draft for MOSTFL teams that are looking

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Speaker 5: for a wide receiver late in the back half of

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Speaker 5: the NFL draft.

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Speaker 3: One name that comes to mind as you were talking

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Speaker 3: there is Alec Pierce of the Indianapolis Colts, and I

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Speaker 3: wonder if you see some of the same similarities. And

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Speaker 3: I want to also mention something that Trevor Sikma of

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Speaker 3: a Pro Football Focus You've reposted this and it's a

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Speaker 3: terrific video of him out competing the defensive back for

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Speaker 3: a touchdown. He says, Cyrus Allen has been so good

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Speaker 3: this week. I've been really impressed with his quickness and

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Speaker 3: separation and route running. But now he's showing off with

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Speaker 3: catches like that corner grab in the end zone, arrow

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Speaker 3: pointing very high for him. Do you see some similarities

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Speaker 3: between Cyrus Allen and maybe Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 5: I see a little bit of similarities obviously there within

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Speaker 5: the route running and the ability to create separation. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: Alec Pierce is a little bit taller sin about six

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Speaker 5: to one six foot two there, so Alex got that

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Speaker 5: little bit of height. Cyrus is more of your guy

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Speaker 5: let me get in space, kind of your slot receiver.

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Speaker 5: But that's a that's a very good comparison to some

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Speaker 5: of these wide receivers that are coming out of Cincinnati

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Speaker 5: because you look at what Alex Pearson has done since

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Speaker 5: joining the Colts after the twenty twenty two NFL Draft,

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Speaker 5: alongside of some of these guys like Kobe Bryant, Sauce

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Speaker 5: Gardner and some of the and Brian Cook. Like we mentioned,

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Speaker 5: Alex Pearce is going to be a guy who tracks.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna get himself paid a significant amount of money

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Speaker 5: this offseason.

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Speaker 6: Good for a thousand.

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Speaker 5: Yards, thousand yards for the first time of his career, had.

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Speaker 6: Double digit touchdowns.

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Speaker 5: He is a deep field threat and Indianapolis Colts got

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Speaker 5: to steal with him. And a great even better person

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Speaker 5: is Alex Pearce. But there is some similarities there with

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Speaker 5: their route running and the ability to create separation as well.

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Speaker 3: All right, Neil, we only have a couple of minutes

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Speaker 3: left and I want to do some rapid fire here.

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Speaker 3: What are the Bigcats doing to replace Brendan Soursby.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so they went out and hit the transfer portal.

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Speaker 5: They brought in Georgia Southern jc's French at that quarterback position,

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Speaker 5: and they brought in a quarterback from Pen as well,

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Speaker 5: Leam O'Brien. But it seems like jac French will be

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Speaker 5: the guy under center. In twenty twenty five or twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: Six, now excuse me. So seems like he will be

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Speaker 6: the guy, the kind of the dual threat guy.

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Speaker 5: Over the last two years accumated almost fifty eight hundred

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Speaker 5: yards between the air and on the ground in two seasons.

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Speaker 5: So he kind of fits the mold of what they're

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Speaker 5: trying to do at that quarterback position.

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Speaker 6: But it's going to be interesting to see how does.

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Speaker 5: He take that jump from a smaller mid major program

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Speaker 5: in Georgia Southern to the Big twelve in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: All right, and moving on to basketball, the Bearcats winning

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Speaker 3: that game last night against Baylor by ten points sixty

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Speaker 3: seven fifty seven. What stood out to you about the

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Speaker 3: way the Bearcats showed that toughness having to be stuck

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Speaker 3: in Arizona. Worse places to be during the snowstorm, but

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Speaker 3: they had to stay out in Arizona kind of languish

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Speaker 3: in those two losses that they suffered to the Wildcat's

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Speaker 3: number one team in the country and then the sun

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Speaker 3: Devils on Saturday night. What impressed you about their ability

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Speaker 3: to bounce back last night.

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Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing that I was able to

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Speaker 5: take away from that game trags last night was the.

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Speaker 6: Ability to stay together.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they handled all the adversity from the travel

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Speaker 5: situations out in Arizona, especially being stuck out there for

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Speaker 5: people who don't know Cincinnati got stuck out there until

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Speaker 5: late Monday evening.

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Speaker 6: From what our sources told us over.

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Speaker 5: At the Front office news that they did not get

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Speaker 5: back into Cincinnati until about seven point thirty on Monday night,

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Speaker 5: And usually teams fly right back following the game, so

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Speaker 5: they stay out there two extra days with the time difference,

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Speaker 5: and then for them.

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Speaker 6: To handle business last night.

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Speaker 5: Shorthanded Shanabiah out with an injury, Tyler McKinley is still playing,

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Speaker 5: banged up, Kirk Carissa is also banged up, and then

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Speaker 5: Buck Harris goes down with an illness just about an

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Speaker 5: hour before tipoff. So you're shorthanded four key contributors for

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Speaker 5: majority parts of this game, and you still find a way.

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Speaker 6: To get this job done at home.

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Speaker 5: Versus Baylor team who has two projected first round draft

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Speaker 5: picks at that point guard position. I love to see

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Speaker 5: how they were resilient and stuck together in that aspect,

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Speaker 5: but I love the defensive effort as well, where you

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Speaker 5: hold Cameron Carr, who is a projected top twenty five

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Speaker 5: and an NBA draft pick, to his lowest scoring regiment

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Speaker 5: of the season with just four points one for eleven

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Speaker 5: from the field. Really liked what Cincinnati did there, and

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Speaker 5: it was great to see Giggil James shot go down

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Speaker 5: on the offensive end as well.

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Speaker 3: I thought so too. And you know, just the fact

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Speaker 3: that the Bearcats being as shorthanded as you mentioned, and

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Speaker 3: Wes Miller talked about that afterward. Actually that's how he

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Speaker 3: the fight and the desire that his team showed in

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Speaker 3: that win over Baylor. It wasn't a thing of beauty,

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Speaker 3: but the Bearcats will obviously take wins anyway. They can

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Speaker 3: take them back over five hundred, eleven and ten and

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Speaker 3: three and five in the Big Twelve. He is Neil Meyer.

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Speaker 3: Please do follow his terrific work at Front Office News

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Speaker 3: covering the Cincinnati Bearcats, and he is also co host

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Speaker 3: of Bearcat Blitz partnered with the Believe Network. He's Neil Meyer.

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Speaker 3: My name is Mike Petralia Trags. We have much more

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Speaker 3: coming up. We have Paul Fritchner and talking all things

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Speaker 3: Miami RedHawks and Xavier Musketeers coming up after news at

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Speaker 3: covering all things college basketball locally, and I love the

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Speaker 3: name Paul of your website and your Twitter page. Please

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the rebound rundown is what we cover here on

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Speaker 7: the local scene with the college hoops scene, the seven

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I just think the alliteration the rebound rundown.

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget what it is because I like saying

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Speaker 3: it over and over and over again. You and I,

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Speaker 3: You and me. Now, you and I were at Oxford

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Speaker 3: the other night at Malette Hall ninety two hundred ninety

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Speaker 3: two twenty three to be exact. Watched a fantastic college

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Speaker 3: basketball game between the number twenty four Miami Red Hawks

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Speaker 3: and the UMass minute Men and came down to the

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Speaker 3: shouldn't say pull away. They were able to hold on

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Speaker 3: for an eighty six eighty four victory. They remained one

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Speaker 3: of two unbeatens in the country at the Division IE level.

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Speaker 3: That would be number one and unbeaten in twenty one

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Speaker 3: about what kind of danger or what kind of impact

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Speaker 3: a Miami team could be in March Madness, there is

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Speaker 3: still the journey to be made between now the rest

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Speaker 3: of the regular season get to the MAC Tournament. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot to be accomplished for Travis Steele, and he

658
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Speaker 3: acknowledged that after the game on Tuesday night, didn't he.

659
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 7: He did, He absolutely did, And he understands and appreciates

660
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 7: the fact that they're undefeated right now, they're twenty one

661
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 7: to oh. They're getting a ton of national pub But

662
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 7: inside that building and the coaching staff, the players, they

663
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 7: all understand that they need to keep winning. They need

664
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 7: to keep this momentum going because you know, in my mind,

665
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 7: they could probably only afford one loss in the regular

666
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 7: season to get into the NCAA Tournament if they don't

667
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 7: win the MAC Tournament. You know, I think that's the

668
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 7: bar that you have to set for yourself going into

669
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 7: February and drags. It's a really difficult schedule and to

670
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 7: your point, Travis Steel knows that it and the quality

671
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 7: of competition here in February is one you're playing a

672
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 7: Buffalo team coming up that you just went to overtime with.

673
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago.

674
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 7: You're playing UMass on the road, who you just hung

675
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 7: on and beat, you know, by two the other night

676
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 7: at Mallett Hall. But the other thing is after Saturday.

677
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 7: So they have a home game coming up on Saturday

678
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 7: afternoon that's sold out. After that, they only have three

679
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 7: home games remaining. They're going to be on the road

680
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 7: for a lot of February. And I don't care who

681
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 7: you're playing, and I know that they're going to be

682
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 7: favored in a lot of those games over some of

683
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 7: the easier competition in the MAC. But still you got

684
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 7: to go out and win those games on the road

685
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 7: in college basketball, which is really tough to do. Then

686
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 7: that's why Travis Steele in his group, you know, you

687
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 7: can tell how focus they are. You can tell the

688
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 7: mentality of what they're trying to do. They understand that

689
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 7: it's great what they've done already, but they need to

690
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 7: keep winning.

691
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: I believe the quote was, or I should paraphrase here,

692
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: Can we be playing our best basketball in March? That's

693
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: the goal? And are they building towards that? And I

694
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: thought it was a great message for Travis Steele to

695
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: kind of convey to his team via the media. But

696
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: that's what he was doing. He knows, as you just said,

697
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: that the team has a long way to go between

698
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 3: now and March, and the idea is to keep getting

699
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: better and better and better. To your point, when I

700
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 3: look at their schedule, They're at to start February at

701
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: Buffalo at Marshall home to Ohio, which will be a

702
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: national television audience, at UMass home to Bowling Green, and

703
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: then they do the directionals in Michigan at Eastern at Western,

704
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: and then they have a home game against Toledo and

705
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: then at Ohio. That's even before you get to the

706
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: MAC Tournament. That is a gauntlet so to speak.

707
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, for the MAC and for what they're doing.

708
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 7: This is a really tough stretch of games. And they've

709
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 7: already played Akron, who's by the metrics, the best team

710
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 7: in the MAC right now. I mean they're sitting I

711
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 7: think still in the mid fifties on Ken Pom. Akron

712
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 7: has been really good. They're only MAC loss was to Miami.

713
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 7: They're gonna go neck to neck right there with Miami

714
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 7: down the stretch of the season and you know.

715
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: So for the RedHawks to be.

716
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 7: Able to continue to win games, to go on the

717
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 7: road to win and stay undefeated, that's what they're going

718
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 7: to have to keep doing here, you know. And the

719
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 7: attention that they're getting. The buzz around this team, it's

720
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 7: not just that they're winning, it's the way they're winning.

721
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 7: It's so exciting every time you.

722
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: Turn it on.

723
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 5: Now.

724
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 7: They were dead in the water against Kent State. All

725
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 7: Kent State had to do was get the ball inbounds

726
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 7: and that game would have been over. They couldn't do it.

727
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 7: Miami down, they score, they tie the game, they win,

728
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 7: They're still undefeated, and it just keeps rolling.

729
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: Speaking with Paul Fritschner a Rebound Rundown Rebound Rundown, Rebound Rundown,

730
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: Rebound Rundown, I'm gonna get it. What's interesting about their schedule.

731
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: They played Akron at home. They do not play them

732
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 3: on the road. They do catch a break there.

733
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's kind of interesting because they do the

734
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 7: they do the matchup there with Marshall where the two

735
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 7: conferences come together and they assign the game later in

736
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 7: the season. Sometimes a little surprised that MAC doesn't do

737
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 7: that too. For the analytics to say, hey, leave an

738
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 7: open date toward the end of the season, and let's

739
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 7: have Akron and Miami play again, and this time play

740
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 7: it up in Akron, and that just boosts your schedule

741
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 7: even more because Akron has the better metrics as far

742
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 7: as the computer goes Ken Palm stuff like that. But

743
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 7: Miami's metrics aren't bad either, and so from that perspective,

744
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 7: it's like, all right, can you pay a couple of

745
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 7: those teams together and go play it on the other floor.

746
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 7: That's something I'd like to see going forward. I believe

747
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 7: the MAC is going to a couple of more conference

748
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 7: games next year, so maybe that's something that they introduced.

749
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 7: I don't know, but yeah, it's like the old days

750
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 7: with the bracketbusters tragg. I think that'd be a good

751
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 7: thing to bring back.

752
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: You know what, one thing that really has impressed me

753
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: about Travis Steele and about the Miami RedHawks. You lose

754
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 3: your starting point guard after twelve games, Evan Ipsarro terres

755
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 3: is acl he's out for the year, and the Cincinnati kid,

756
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: you know, heartbroke and he was leading the team and

757
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: scoring at that point when he got it. Did get

758
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: injured at thirteen point nine points per game, three point

759
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: three assists, and they don't really miss a beat. And

760
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 3: the other night they were down their second point guard

761
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: because they had an illness before one of their Luke Skaljak,

762
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 3: he was unable to play. So they had Ian Elmer,

763
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: who was a terrific wing player to watch. I mean,

764
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: he was really really a lot of fun to watch,

765
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: but the ball was in his hands a lot, and

766
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: it was in the hands of a hero in both

767
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: the Buffalo game and in the Kent State game, that

768
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 3: would be one Peter Suitter. Ian Elmer and Peter Suitor

769
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: are two players I think college basketball fans around here

770
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: should get to know.

771
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, Elmer goes off for a career high thirty.

772
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 7: You know, Pete Souitter didn't score a ton, but he

773
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 7: did have a season best nine assists, so he's still

774
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 7: doing the things right that he needs to be doing.

775
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 7: And you know the other thing too, you have Trey

776
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 7: Perry and Justin Kirby, who are a couple of freshmen. Kirby,

777
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 7: you know, we thought maybe Justin Kirby was going to

778
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 7: be red shirting this year, and then he decides he

779
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 7: comes back from injury he's going to play, and he

780
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 7: stepped up here in the month of January after missing

781
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 7: the first couple of months of the season. Trey Perry

782
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 7: local product, right, He's been able to go out there

783
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 7: and make a difference, especially the other night where you're

784
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 7: down not only like you said, Evan Ipsarrow from December's

785
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 7: torn but you're also down Luke Skaljak, who's filled in

786
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 7: phenomenally and really taking the reins of this team at

787
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 7: the point. So for them to be able to step

788
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 7: up win a game like that against a pretty good

789
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 7: UMass team in front of the crowd and I have

790
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 7: nine thousand plus in their trags, it was an awesome environment.

791
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean, what.

792
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 7: The thing about all of this trags is that you know,

793
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 7: I know Miami has had their detractors this year with

794
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 7: the schedule and all of that, but at some point

795
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 7: that doesn't matter anymore because there they keep winning games,

796
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 7: and Miami's everything that is good right now about college basketball.

797
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 7: Right They only went to the transfer portal for one player,

798
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 7: they brought Almar Atlason from Bradley, but they they've built

799
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 7: their program, they're winning games, their fan base is coming back.

800
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 7: They sell out the arena to me, it feels like

801
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 7: everything that people keep clamoring for they don't have. They

802
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 7: have really good NIL for the MAC, but relative to

803
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 7: Power Conference teams, their NIL isn't on that level. So

804
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 7: it's like they're doing what a lot of fans want

805
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 7: college basketball to be. And that's why I think, truly

806
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 7: it's one of the best stories in the country.

807
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any doubt about that. All you

808
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 3: have to do is actually go up to Miami and

809
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 3: take in a game at Mallett Hall. Yes, the building's outdated,

810
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles. Certainly

811
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: in the concourse it's a little bit crowded, but it's

812
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: clean and once you get into the actual arena and

813
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: watch the game when it's a sold out crowd, the

814
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: other thing. And I want to mention this before I

815
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: forget for Travis Steele, and we haven't even mentioned the

816
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: fact that, you know, he has really given his career

817
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: a tremendous rebirth and a revitalization of his career since

818
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 3: his days at Xavier. But he remembers that first game

819
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: at Miami after he and Xavier parted ways. That game

820
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 3: against Evansville back in November of twenty twenty two, he

821
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 3: literally could count the number of people at Malette Hall.

822
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: To go from that to, you know, three and a

823
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 3: half four years later, having a sellout crowd almost every

824
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 3: home game because you're twenty one to zero. It's just

825
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: a fabulous story, it is.

826
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 7: And you think back to the first game of the

827
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 7: season against Old Dominion. They were down double digits in

828
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 7: that game. I think they were down thirteen at one point,

829
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 7: and you talk about the undefeated season, it could have

830
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 7: stopped right there on opening night. But what did they do.

831
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 7: They rallied, they won, and that's been the story of

832
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 7: the season. They're an experienced group that had played together

833
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 7: now the last couple of years, and they just they

834
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 7: don't They're unflappable.

835
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: They don't lose.

836
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 7: They just keep finding ways to win. And it's a

837
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 7: credit to you know, Travis Steele and what he's believed

838
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 7: in over the last couple of years and the program

839
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 7: that he's built, and you know, Miami's leadership giving him

840
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 7: the ability to go out there and you know, have

841
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 7: the patients over the last couple of years to build

842
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 7: that program. Now this year, it's been fun to watch

843
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 7: and hopefully for them, it keeps going forward.

844
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: Speaking of which the Xavier Musketeers, they suffer one take

845
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: one on the chin last night out in Newark, New

846
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: Jersey to Seaton Hall. I still think Richard Patino absolutely

847
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: has the program headed in the right direction. He keeps saying,

848
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: and this is not obviously by mistake, we are going

849
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: to be a championship team. We are going to be

850
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: a championship team. He is trying to do there with

851
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: Xavier what other coaches have done elsewhere. When you start

852
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: preaching it and start speaking it into existence, the players

853
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: start to believe it. And certainly, look, Xavier has its

854
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: limitations as a basketball team right now, but they still

855
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: are an entertaining team to watch.

856
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, they are, And you turn on the TV to

857
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 7: watch them game in and game out, and you're never

858
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 7: really sure what you're going to get. But they're still

859
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 7: entertaining no matter what happens. And you know, the frustrating

860
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 7: things for Xavier fans listening to this is, look, you

861
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 7: were up by sixteen against Saint John's on Saturday, in

862
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 7: a rocking environment, to Holloway's jersey retirement, all of that,

863
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 7: and you don't hold on to win. You're up thirteen

864
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 7: last night on the road at Seaton Hall. It can't

865
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 7: hold on to win. And the second half has been

866
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 7: the story. I mean the last three games they've allowed

867
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 7: fifty plus points to their opponent in the second half.

868
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 7: That just can't happen if you want to put yourself

869
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 7: in a position to win. I mean, you think about

870
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 7: it trags. Before last night, Seaton Hall's previous two games,

871
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 7: they have scored sixty points in each game for the

872
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 7: entire game. They scored fifty six points in the second

873
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 7: half alone last night. So not great defensively. They've just

874
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 7: got some things to clean up. But you look at

875
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 7: the talent. I mean, I think Tray Carroll is playing

876
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 7: like an All Big East first teamer right now. Malik

877
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 7: Malik Messina more has played better in conference play. They're

878
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 7: getting production out of some of these players. It's just

879
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 7: consistently being able to put it together for a full

880
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 7: forty minutes that they need to start doing here in February.

881
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: Do you think they're gassed at the end of games?

882
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 5: Is?

883
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: Could that be part of it? And the other thing

884
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 3: that I always look at his size. I sometimes think

885
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: some of these teams, especially Saint John's on Saturday, and

886
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: Richard Patino acknowledged just after the game they just don't

887
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: have the size and the ability to rebound like a

888
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 3: Saint John's does.

889
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, they're just getting crushed on the glass

890
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 7: right now. And you think back to like Saint John's

891
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 7: a game winning rebound put back with about ten seconds

892
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 7: left in that game. Creighton, they don't get the rebound

893
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 7: off a miss free throw game winning shot, right If

894
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 7: you get a couple of rebounds, there's a chance to

895
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 7: win those games, and instead you lose both of them.

896
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 7: They get crushed on the boards last night at Seaton Hall.

897
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 7: I think they gave up twenty one offensive rebounds to

898
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 7: Seaton Hall. That's just not going to win you games.

899
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 7: You gotta rebound better, you gotta play better in the paint.

900
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, certainly, I think it was Trey Carroll

901
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: lamented that after the game on Saturday, we didn't deserve

902
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 3: to win because you can't rebound, especially, and you get

903
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: beaten on the offensive last in the second chance points,

904
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: you're just not going to beat these upper echelon teams period.

905
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. And so now you get into a position

906
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 7: here where you know you have a really challenging month

907
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 7: of February. After this game against the Paul, you have

908
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 7: to go to Yukon, you have to go to Saint John's.

909
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 7: You still have both Villanova games left. I mean, it's

910
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 7: it's a really challenging last little bit of the season

911
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 7: here that day's going to have in front of them.

912
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 3: How do you what do you make of the season

913
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: Malik Messina Moore has had.

914
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 7: I got asked about Malik a lot in December because

915
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 7: he was a career forty three point shooter, and I

916
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 7: just kept saying, look, I'm not concerned about him because

917
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 7: the data is there from three years that I'm not

918
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 7: going to worry about whatever. It was ten games up

919
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 7: until that point when he wasn't shooting well and now

920
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 7: here in Big East play now. Richard Patino talked about

921
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 7: it on his radio show last week or the week before,

922
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 7: where he said that Malik came to him and kind

923
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 7: of asked him if they could make it easier on

924
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 7: him offensively by maybe drawing some sets up for him.

925
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: And I think it takes.

926
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Speaker 7: A lot of maturity for a player to come to

927
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 7: your head coach and say, hey, look, you know coach.

928
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 7: I feel like maybe I'm out of flow offensively, or

929
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 7: I need things, you know, a little bit more in

930
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 7: my style. And Richard Patino, that's been one of the

931
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 7: best things he's done this year is he's been willing

932
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 7: to adapt. He's been willing to coach on the fly,

933
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 7: which sounds obvious, right. That sounds like the title of

934
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 7: a job as a coach is to put your team

935
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 7: in a best position to succeed. But there are a

936
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 7: lot of college basketball coaches who aren't malleable, who aren't

937
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 7: willing to adapt, and because of that sometimes they get

938
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 7: stuck in the mud. Or Richard Patino, he's gotten a

939
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 7: lot out of this team this year because he's willing

940
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 7: to do the things that he feels like the team

941
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 7: needs to listen to or to hear to put him

942
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 7: in the best position to succeed in One of those

943
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 7: is getting Maliite Messina Moore in better spots on the

944
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 7: floor to shoot.

945
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 2: And now that you know he's gone.

946
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 7: Through Biggie's play as a shooter.

947
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 3: And a player they can rely on all right, he

948
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: is Paul Frichner does a tremendous job covering all things

949
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: college basketball. He's College Basketball TV play by play announcer.

950
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 3: You can catch them selectively around channels like ESPN Plus.

951
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: Be sure to follow him all season long on Rebound Rundown.

952
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: You can follow him on the X. You can follow

953
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: him at Rebound Rundown as well. Does just a fabulous job.

954
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 3: I love covering college basketball with you, Paul. Thank you

955
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 3: very much.

956
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'll see it since offs on Saturday tracks.

957
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: Sounds like a plan, Paul. He's Paul Frichner. My name

958
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 3: is Mike Petralia. We have much more ahead here on

959
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: Sports Talk presented by RNL Carriers coming up after News

960
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: at the bottom of the hour. My name is Mike Petralia.

961
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 3: You're listening to News Radio seven hundred WLW. The home

962
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 3: stretch here on Sports Talk presented by RNL carrier on

963
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Speaker 3: News Radio seven hundred WLW, my name is Michael Trallia.

964
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,960
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965
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966
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 3: pleasure to host this abbreviated edition of Sports Talk tonight

967
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: for Lance McAllister. Also want to shout out again a

968
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 3: big thanks to producer Russ Jackson handling all of the

969
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Speaker 3: controls flawlessly. We are on the air until eight o'clock tonight,

970
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 3: and it's News followed by The Wes Miller Show hosted

971
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Speaker 3: by Dan Horde and Terry Nelson. That'll go from eight

972
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: to nine pm. But in this final twenty one minutes

973
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: or so, I want to talk about one of my

974
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: favorite topics, and that's the New England Patriots and Bill Belichick. Somehow,

975
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 3: some way, Bill Belichick was not a first ballot Hall

976
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: of Famer. I think that's a joke. I think it's ridiculous,

977
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: and I think it is called into question what they're

978
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: doing in Canton, Ohio in terms of electing members to

979
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: be bestowed with gold jackets. It's kind of ridiculous that

980
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 3: a coach of Bill Belichick's status and celebrity and his

981
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 3: contribution to the sport is not on the first ballot

982
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: for the Hall of Fame. And I think someone who

983
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: agrees with me and has written a column to support

984
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 3: what I just said is the one and only Alex

985
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: Barth of ninety eight five the Sports Hub. He is

986
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: a former colleague of mine covering the Super Bowl bound

987
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: New England Patriots. Alex, welcome to the program. Welcome to

988
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 3: Sports Talk here on WLW.

989
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me try to always fun being on

990
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 8: the air gear so.

991
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 3: Before we get to all the giddiness in New England,

992
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: and we both have been through all of that before.

993
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 3: Your column on Bill Belichick not getting into the Hall

994
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: of Fame is on ninety eight five thesports hub dot com.

995
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: If Bill Bill Belichick is not a first ballot Hall

996
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: of Famer, what's the point The subtitle of this column,

997
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 3: the Pro Football Hall of Fame Committee not electing Bill

998
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 3: Belichick in his first year of eligibility brings the entire

999
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 3: process into question. I could not agree more expand upon that,

1000
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: if you will, mister Barth.

1001
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I look, I've been critical of the committee.

1002
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 8: I think the last ten to fifteen years they've started

1003
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 8: to lose sight of what the point of this thing is.

1004
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 8: And the Belichick snub is on another level for any

1005
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 8: other when they left it. And I don't mean this

1006
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 8: is down Patriots bias. I have real problem with how

1007
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 8: they handled Terrell Owens. I have a real problem with

1008
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 8: how they handled Devin Hester, even Luke Keighley last year,

1009
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 8: not getting him right away. I had a problem with

1010
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 8: but Adam and Terry is the greatest at his position

1011
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 8: in the history of the sport. He's the all time

1012
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 8: leading scorer in the history of the sport. When Adam

1013
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 8: and Terry you knock it in spots left, mind you,

1014
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 8: they can induct between four and eight eight people last year.

1015
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 8: I believe last year's yere a minimum of four or

1016
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 8: five They had open spots, and then Terry still did

1017
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 8: not get in. I did not think they could sink lower.

1018
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 8: And this is a new ode to the point where,

1019
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 8: and I only say this like half jokingly, at this point,

1020
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 8: I'm on pins and needles for tom Brady. Tom Brady's

1021
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 8: gonna get in.

1022
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: But I'd be critical.

1023
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 3: That's what's going too far.

1024
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 8: Come on, partht If I had said to you last year,

1025
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 8: if I had said to you last year when Vinetariy

1026
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 8: didn't get in, well, geez, now I'm wondering if Bill

1027
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 8: Belichick is going to be a first ballot, you would

1028
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 8: have said that exact same thing to me. Come on,

1029
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 8: that's going too far. You would have said that exact

1030
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 8: same thing.

1031
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 3: Yes, I would have. You're right, You're right, But I

1032
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: think Tom Brady it's the point. But I think Tom

1033
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: Brady and Bill Belichick are seen as two different animals

1034
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: in the eyes of Hall of Fame voters. I think

1035
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 3: maybe I think players are regarded with a higher status

1036
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 3: for their contributions to the game than owners and coaches,

1037
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 3: which also brings up the fact, do you think Robert

1038
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: Kraft belongs in the Hall of Fame? Like on the first.

1039
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 8: Ballt Yeah, he's another one that's been a long term snub.

1040
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 8: We can get into the anti Patriots bias of it,

1041
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 8: which goes to the Brady point two. The Steelers dynasty

1042
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 8: as ten, it's probably gonna be eleven plus the coach

1043
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 8: and owner. The Cowboys and nine Ers dynasties of six

1044
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 8: players plus the coach and owner. The Patriots early dynasty.

1045
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 8: Right now, most of these guys have been eligible has

1046
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 8: two no coach, no owner. You give him Brady Invententarry,

1047
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 8: They're still not even where those lesser ones are. But

1048
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 8: the point I was making before is like the committee

1049
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 8: has just not done a good job of this for

1050
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 8: a long time, and it brings the status into question

1051
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 8: because whether it's it's Belichick, whether it's Vina Terry, And

1052
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 8: to your point about you know, maybe going a little

1053
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 8: far with saying, you know, well, is Brady gonna get

1054
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 8: in on the first ballot. I'd like to look. I

1055
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 8: probably don't know as much about football as some people

1056
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 8: in the committee, but I'd like to think I've covered

1057
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 8: this game for almost ten years now. I've been a

1058
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 8: fan of my whole lif I'd like to think I

1059
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 8: know a thing or two about the game. I know

1060
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 8: what I saw. I know what I saw watching Bill

1061
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 8: Belichick for two decades. I know what a whole game

1062
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 8: coach looks like. I know what I saw with Belichick.

1063
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 8: I know what I saw when I watched Luke Keigley,

1064
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 8: I know what I saw when I watched Adam Anditary.

1065
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 8: If the guys that simply clear the eye test beyond

1066
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 8: comparison can't get in, right, because I've seen some people say, well, no,

1067
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 8: Belichick's not a Hall of Famer because the process determined

1068
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 8: he's not, and that's what determines it. And like, I

1069
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 8: guess fine on a technicality, But if the process is

1070
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 8: not putting in guys like Bill Belichick, like Adam in Anditary,

1071
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 8: like Terrell Owens in the first couple of ballots, I

1072
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 8: have to I really think that says more about the

1073
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 8: people choosing the Hall of Famers than the candidates themselves.

1074
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: Okay, we have to get into the whole Bill Pollyan

1075
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: aspect of this, and that Bill Pollian angle of this.

1076
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: Do you believe he influenced voters to not vote for

1077
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: him and just to penalize him for Spygate. I should

1078
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 3: also add that the Pro Football Hall of Fame put

1079
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 3: out a statement on Wednesday clarifying that if any voter

1080
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: was called by Bill Pollion, uh for you know, doing

1081
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: that and keeping Bill Belichick off the ballot or not

1082
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: voting for him for an unsavory reason, they can be

1083
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Speaker 3: kicked off the voting. They can lose their vote.

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00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 8: I so you're basically I can do I think Bill

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00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 8: Pollon did that. I there's ways to do it without

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00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 8: really doing it.

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00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 2: Right.

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00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 8: They're debating these candidates, and he can sit in there

1090
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 8: and make an argument without directly telling people don't vote

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00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 8: for it because of this. But and that's that's just right.

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Speaker 8: I guess Bill Belichick was fined five hundred thousand dollars

1093
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 8: for Spygate, the largest amount he was The Patriots lost

1094
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 8: the draft pick. The same thing for the play gate.

1095
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 8: The organization got in trouble and they lost the draft pick.

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00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 8: That that's the punishment. You know that that's what it is.

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00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 8: So do the Patriots at their draft pick. Now, this

1098
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 8: was not part of the agreement back then. That was

1099
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 8: part of the punishment. It's not their job to carry

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00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 8: out the NFL's justice. The Pro Football Hall of Fame

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00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 8: is separate from the NFL. That is something I think

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00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 8: a lot of people don't really understand, and it creates

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00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 8: a unique environment. It's if Bill Polly wants to bring

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00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 8: it up and say I'm not going to vote for

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00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 8: Bill Belichick because of this, he has every right to

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00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 8: do that. I disagree with him. I disagree with his reasoning.

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00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 8: He has every right to do it. You know. If

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00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 8: he's using that to indirectly influence people, fine, If he's

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00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 8: telling people directly not to vote for him because we

1110
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 8: as a body need to punish him, I think that's

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00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 8: wrong because that's not ultimately that body's job. And I

1112
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 8: should note, and other people have pointed this out, there

1113
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 8: are other coaches who have been caught cheating who got

1114
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 8: in no problem there. Jimmy Johnathan came out and said, yeah,

1115
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 8: we did spy gay bunch of people did it. Some

1116
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 8: of Bill Poullion's assistants, I believe have been accused of

1117
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 8: doing it, and they suffered no such attribute from the committee.

1118
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 8: So's it's Bill Pollion's right to believe what he believes

1119
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 8: and do what he wants to do with his vote.

1120
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 8: It's not his job to decide that. It's not his

1121
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 8: job single handedly to decide. It's the body's job to

1122
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 8: punish Bill Belichick, right, and.

1123
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Speaker 3: To clarify here, Alex, I believe the statement of the

1124
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame in the Hall of Fame Committee was

1125
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: to clarify that if Poleon was doing that, they could

1126
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 3: remove Pollion from the committee and take his vote away,

1127
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 3: not that the voters were doing something untoward, just to

1128
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 3: clarify that. I know we're getting deep in the weeds,

1129
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: but what's the Cincinnati Bengals angle to this? That certainly

1130
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: is I think in some ways impacting it. Mike Sando

1131
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: has a tweet that I and he's a Hall of

1132
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 3: Fame voter. You should follow him at Sando NFL on

1133
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: the X I'm a Hall of Fame voter who saw

1134
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: Belichick as a slam duck. I don't know anything about

1135
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 3: voting results, but if this is true, and we'll find

1136
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: out officially next week, the question is, how could this

1137
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 3: happen before I list possibilities. Understand this. Belichick, Robert Kraft,

1138
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: Roger Craig, Ken Anderson, and Elsie Greenwood are competing, competing

1139
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: for one to three spots separate from the fifteen modern

1140
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: era finalists. Fifty voters each pick three of the five,

1141
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 3: and then between one and three make it. Forty votes

1142
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 3: are needed for anyone besides the top vote getter to

1143
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 3: make it. So it's a zero sum game. Huge change

1144
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 3: made in twenty twenty five, two hundred and fifty total

1145
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: votes to go around for five candidates with a high

1146
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: bar for clearance. What do you think of all of that?

1147
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 8: So, look, yeah, this system is not great, and the

1148
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 8: senior committee candidates should not be on there with the

1149
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 8: coach and the contributory. It really should just be here's

1150
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 8: twenty people you can vote for up to eight, and

1151
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 8: however many get to the eighty percent, and then I

1152
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 8: know they have the threshold from four to eight. I

1153
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 8: would get rid of that too, maybe the maximum of eight.

1154
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 8: I get rid of the minimum four. But the category

1155
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 8: shouldn't matter. It's the whole point of having these subcommittees

1156
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 8: is to give those people more evil foot even footing.

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01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 8: Now that being said, Okay, it's Kenny Anderson, Elsie Greenwood,

1158
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 8: Roger Craig, Belichick, and Craft on the ballot. It's still

1159
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 8: your job to vote for the most deserving. Well, you

1160
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 8: know this guy senior committee, and we can't risk him

1161
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 8: falling off. That's not what you're being asked to do.

1162
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 8: And if you have an issued process as a voter,

1163
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 8: I think you take that up with the Hall. You

1164
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 8: don't use your vote to litigate that. Is Bill Belichick

1165
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 8: more deserving to get in the Hall of Fame than two,

1166
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 8: at least two of three of Kenny Anderson, Elsie Greenwood,

1167
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 8: and Roger Craig, Yes, he is. I think anybody who

1168
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 8: understands the basics of football should recognize that. So I

1169
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 8: understand voters saying that the system's broken and it you know,

1170
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 8: it's not necessarily the fairest way to go about it. Fine,

1171
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 8: I get that, but the system is what it is.

1172
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 8: And on top of that, if people are going to

1173
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 8: fight the Flate gate and you know chart Belichick for

1174
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 8: not strictly following the rules, isn't that what you're kind

1175
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 8: of doing with your vote by not voting for the

1176
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 8: person who's most deserving, which is your job. So the

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01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 8: system needs to be fixed. And maybe that's the silver

1178
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 8: lining here is we are finally going to fix this

1179
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 8: and maybe start to cycle out some of these voters too,

1180
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 8: who maybe are a little disconnected from the game at

1181
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 8: this point. But yeah, this the system needs to be fixed.

1182
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 3: The system needs to be fixed.

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01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 8: Absolutely. Bill Belichick's more deserving than the people he's up against,

1184
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 8: so and I would do it. I would probably vote

1185
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 8: for him Overcraft if I had to vote there, So

1186
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 8: to leave him off for any of them, and you

1187
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 8: can vote for two of them, sure, I think it's crazy.

1188
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: All right, let's move on to the actual big game

1189
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 3: that's being played a week from this Sunday out in

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 3: Santa Clara, California, super Bowl sixty the Patriots and the

1191
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks. I must tell you I feel great for you.

1192
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 3: And you know why that is because I remember the

1193
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 3: last time the Patriots made the Super Bowl and you

1194
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 3: had to watch the entire game in a staging area.

1195
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Speaker 3: I trust that won't be the same this time around.

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Speaker 8: Correct, it was only the first half. We manchigated in

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01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 8: the stadium for the second half, But yeah, I believe

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Speaker 8: I will have a real press box seat this time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and you deserve it for all the hard

1200
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 3: work you've done. By the way. The game I'm referring to,

1201
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 3: of course, a super Bowl fifty three in Atlanta, the

1202
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 3: last Patriots super Bowl title when they beat the Rams

1203
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 3: in I must say a sleeper of a Super Bowl

1204
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 3: thirteen to three game featured a terrific catch from Rob

1205
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: Gronkowski down to the I think it was the three

1206
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 3: or four yard line, and then Sony Michelle scored the

1207
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: only touchdown on a touchdown run. News today, and I

1208
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: assume you were down at Chillette Stadium in Foxborough. It

1209
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 3: doesn't sound like Drake May's right shoulder is that big

1210
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 3: of a deal to head coach Mike Frable.

1211
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Speaker 8: No, and it doesn't sound like it's a Drakes May either.

1212
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 8: You know, he kind of basically said that he doesn't

1213
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 8: expect to be limited come the game. I have to

1214
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 8: imagine the extra week helps. I look, clearly something happened.

1215
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 8: He wasn't on the injury report this week. He is now.

1216
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 8: And he short armed a couple of those throws in

1217
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 8: the Broncos game. Not that his accuracy has been perfect

1218
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 8: this year, although we did lead the NFL and completion percentage.

1219
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 8: But usually what he misses he misses high. He overthrows,

1220
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 8: and he underthrew a couple throws in that game that

1221
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 8: was notable. But it's you know, and maybe I'm buying

1222
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 8: too much into the team line, but like you said,

1223
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 8: I covered a team going with Super Bowl this year

1224
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 8: and followed some other teams that made some deep runs.

1225
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 8: It's week twenty. He's guys played twenty is week twenty one.

1226
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 8: He's guys played twenty games. You get banged up. That's

1227
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 8: just life in the NFL. I don't think anybody is

1228
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 8: fully one hundred percent right now on either of these

1229
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 8: two teams. This is going through even a specialists and

1230
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 8: probably starting to feel to wear in terry a little bit.

1231
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 2: On top of that.

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Speaker 8: For Drake May, he's never played this much football in

1233
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 8: a year. You know, last year he didn't even start

1234
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 8: the full season. I think he started thirteen games. Before that,

1235
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 8: he was in college and only played twelve thirteen gay

1236
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 8: maybe a bowl game, didn't go to the college football playoff.

1237
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 8: And even in high school he lost his senior year

1238
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 8: to COVID. So he's playing a lot more football than

1239
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 8: he's ever played in his life. He probably is sore.

1240
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 8: I get that, you know, by the get a little

1241
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 8: rest these next couple weeks, by the time the game

1242
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 8: rolls around, I think it's just managing it. I trust

1243
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 8: them to manage it. I trust them to have a plan,

1244
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 8: and I don't think it's something where like they're going

1245
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 8: to have to blow up everything they do because all

1246
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 8: these different throws are suddenly unavailable to Drake may. Honestly,

1247
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 8: the injury, I'm more concerned about Robert Splaine. They're starting linebacker.

1248
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 8: Left the AFC Championship early. He's dealing with an ankle injury.

1249
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 8: They lost him late in the season and it was

1250
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 8: night and day. They had a lot of trouble, especially

1251
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 8: against the run without him, and he didn't practice today.

1252
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 8: I'm probably more concerned about him than Drake.

1253
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 3: All Right, we have thirty seconds here. Alex Barth of

1254
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 3: ninety eight to five the Sports Hub in Boston. The

1255
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 3: key for the Patriots winning their seventh Super Bowl title

1256
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 3: is what.

1257
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Speaker 8: They got to dominate the line of scrimmage on both

1258
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 8: sides the ball. And it's not going to be easy

1259
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 8: to do, but that's where Seattle that it's best. You

1260
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 8: can neutralize Seattle's biggest strength, and the Patriots defensive lines

1261
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 8: probably their biggest strength too. You know, you put the

1262
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 8: game in Sam Donalds Hans, you put it on a

1263
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 8: young secondary for Seattle against you know, guys like Stefan, Daves, Hunter,

1264
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 8: Henry's veteran pass catchers. I think that puts Patriots in

1265
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 8: an advantage's position. It's not going to be easy to do,

1266
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 8: but if they can do it, it's going to open.

1267
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: Up a lot.

1268
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 3: Obviously, the Patriots have some experience beating Sam Darnold when

1269
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 3: he was with the New York Football Jets, but this

1270
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 3: is a little bit different team, different organization, and certainly

1271
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 3: a different defense that the Patriots will be going up

1272
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 3: against in a rematch of Super Bowl forty nine, the

1273
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: Malcolm Butler game, he intercepted Russell Wilson to seal Tom

1274
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 3: Brady's fourth Super Bowl title. He is Alex Bart. I

1275
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 3: want to thank him so much for joining me here

1276
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 3: on the tail end of sports talk on News Radio

1277
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW. I want to also thank all of

1278
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 3: our other terrific guests, Paul Fritchner Rebound Rundown. Also want

1279
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 3: to thank Mark Sheldon of MLB dot Com does a

1280
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 3: great job of covering the Cincinnati Reds and Neil Meyer

1281
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 3: of Bearcat Blitz on the Believe Network. We got to

1282
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 3: make way for news at the top of the hour,

1283
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 3: and then it's The West Miller Show with Dan Horde

1284
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 3: and Terry Nelson handling the hosting responsibility. It's been my

1285
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 3: pleasure filling in for Lance McAllister. Tonight. You've been listening

1286
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Speaker 3: to sports Talk presented by RNL carriers on News Radio

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Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW