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Speaker 1: A vacation, and that's the way the news goes. It

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Speaker 1: is Santa very happy Wednesdays. I mentioned Barne Thomas right here.

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Speaker 1: Glad to see Joe Chreker where belongs, right there in

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Speaker 1: the executive Productions booth. I'm glad to see the rundown

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Speaker 1: this morning. Joe always doing a great job lenning up guests.

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Speaker 1: And I love Wednesdays for a variety of reasons, most

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Speaker 1: notably the Big Picture with Jack adad and every Wednesday

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Speaker 1: seven o five today his topic truly affordable healthcare. Does

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Speaker 1: Jack Atherden have the magic bullet for affordable healthcare? I

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Speaker 1: suppose he does. I'm sure it doesn't involve a government

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Speaker 1: solution anyway. We get to learn together from Jack Atherden,

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Speaker 1: as we do every Wednesday at seven ozh five, Donald

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Speaker 1: and O'Neil Americans prosperity. Do him or have him on

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Speaker 1: every Wednesday at seven thirty. Today, Jay, if you're out there,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about property taxes with Donovan O'Neil.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite subjects of late. Tom Cravin's got

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Speaker 1: a book, Running Deep. See here. Tom's going to join

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Speaker 1: the program at eight oh five to talk about Running Deep.

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Speaker 1: Let's see you here, Running Deepell appeal to fans of

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Speaker 1: the Hunt for Red October and The Run Silent, Run Deep.

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Speaker 1: Got submarine warfare, high stakes, deadly outcomes, compelling storytelling about

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Speaker 1: a vital portion of the war in the Pacific theater submariner.

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Speaker 1: Mike Cribbage, Mike, you out there, better tune in an

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Speaker 1: eight oh five. Got one of your buddies writing a

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Speaker 1: book about submarine life. Judge Nanopolitano a Trumpian headache. It's

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Speaker 1: another article about using military force to kill people in

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Speaker 1: speedboats in international waters fifteen hundred miles away from the

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Speaker 1: United States. The Judge and I share our I share

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Speaker 1: the same objection to that. Neither of us believe it

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Speaker 1: to be constitutional or lawful. I know, if we have

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Speaker 1: an eminent threat, we're allowed to go after somebody. But

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Speaker 1: just because the drugs are fifteen hundred miles away and

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Speaker 1: are intended perhaps we don't know what those people are

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Speaker 1: thinking are intended for the shores of the United States.

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Speaker 1: We do have our own territorial waters where we can

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Speaker 1: easily grab them. Look, if we can track a submarine

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred two thousand miles away, we can probably follow

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Speaker 1: it to the coast of the United States of America,

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Speaker 1: send out the coast Guard and pick it up. Maybe

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Speaker 1: drop a depth charge or something. I don't know, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's at least the subject of his article. Maybe other

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Speaker 1: topics to talk about. Maybe the judge wants to talk

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Speaker 1: about a shutdown, by the way, the government still shut

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Speaker 1: down after after Judge Napolitano. I'm interested in having Lakita

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Speaker 1: at the last segment of the program, Charter Committee candidate

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Speaker 1: for Sinceei City Council. We'll talk about police Chief Teresa Thiji,

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Speaker 1: Scoop with Bright Bart News. John Bender returned to the program.

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Speaker 1: That was yesterday at eight oh five We got the

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Speaker 1: Empower You Mike McCormick thing. My son produced that last night.

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Speaker 1: He does help out with empower You and Pretty Eye Opening.

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Speaker 1: My wife watched it. I was at a fun fundraiser

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Speaker 1: for Corey Bowman last night. The good people of Wyoming,

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Speaker 1: I know, a very blue leaning community, but they have

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. Why because Wyoming butt's right up against the

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Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati, and the elections in the City of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: as I've pointed out many times over the years, impact

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Speaker 1: Of course, all the people in Hamilton County got Northern

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Speaker 1: in hearing what Corey Bowman is about, what he is

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Speaker 1: know you're impacted. Can you reach out? And that's a

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Speaker 1: great thing. And I'm going to ask my listeners you

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Speaker 1: Now why has Thomas spent so much time talking about

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati election. Well, I just explained that it's critically important,

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Speaker 1: expect twenty five or six percent voter turnout. Your vote

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Speaker 1: engage in some outreach. Call up your friends, your residents

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Speaker 1: Do you believe he's effectively dealt with crime thus far?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that he was a propriating his treatment

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Speaker 1: of police Chief Threes the Thigi I was Cheryl Long.

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Speaker 1: Now Cheryl Long took the directive from AFTAB aftabs looking

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Speaker 1: to interject too much optimism on this, because I'm a realist.

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Speaker 1: I understand what a colossal Sissophian battle that Corey Bowman

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Speaker 1: is facing when he's challenging a Democrat mayor incumbat of course,

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Speaker 1: And that's why I thought it was so refreshing to

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Speaker 1: to facilitate that. It was a wonderful opportunity. Yesterday, Police

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Speaker 1: Why was Police Chief Thiji removed because of what crime?

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Speaker 1: Isn't she limited in her ability to deal with crime,

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Speaker 1: But his point, he elaborated, to a certain degree, the

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Speaker 1: after six months of employment, she can only be dismissed

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Speaker 1: have that. But apparently the city charter requires cause for dismissal. Now,

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Speaker 1: what is it that she did that creates the cause

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Speaker 1: Terry deserves better than this, since I deserves better than this. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean she was hand selected by him and Cheryl Long,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't remember his name or her name,

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Speaker 1: but the point being the leader of the folks or

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to fire her. I guess with cause we

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Speaker 1: look over there, Fiji's to blame for crime in the city,

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Speaker 1: says they have to have parble through Cheryl Long Whatever.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you? Are you buying that

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems like a dumb political maneuver.

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Speaker 1: If if really, in fact, he hopes that we all

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Speaker 1: believe Fiji's responsible for all of this. Anyway, Fiji apparently,

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Speaker 1: according to her attorney, she wants to go back to

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Speaker 1: the police department. She will not accept a lesser position.

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Speaker 1: She has no plan to resign at all, even though

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Speaker 1: Em said she was given no reason for that request,

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Speaker 1: she did not initiate discussions about her resignation, and she

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Speaker 1: had no desire to resign. She has no desire to resign.

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Speaker 1: She has no intention to resign. Close quote well, he

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Speaker 1: made that pretty clear, didn't he. So where did this

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Speaker 1: Where did this drum beat to go after Police Chief

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Speaker 1: DJ come from? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: Obviously politics are a play here. We have an election

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry I didn't sound like such a critic.

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Speaker 1: There's some residents of the city out there screaming at

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Speaker 1: we pay attention. Fine, Is there gonna be enough time

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Speaker 1: for the voters in the city of SINCEINNI who are

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Speaker 1: I don't know. In a statement yesterday, Aftab par Ball

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Speaker 1: a great idea. We'll see what happens for twenty six.

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Speaker 1: A new administration might bring that kind of change about

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Speaker 5: Heany good morning. I definitely take advantage of the the

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Speaker 5: So this silliness down in in Cincinnati, it's just getting

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Speaker 5: the way you're describing everything, it's obviously these people just

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Speaker 1: You're either incompetent, are you a lying to us, in

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Speaker 1: Thanks Tom, appreciate the sentiment as always, and see what

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Speaker 8: Let the community know that you are investigating and investigating

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Speaker 1: Well, that's in the process of happening. Actually, maybe not

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Speaker 1: locally in connects with that one incident, but ins far

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Speaker 1: as anti if On and its activities are concerned. Cash

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Speaker 1: Matell just commented on that yesterday. They are busily investigating

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Speaker 1: the money hierarchy that led to this. You know, loose

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Speaker 1: knit ANTIFI group is actually a very well oiled machine

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Speaker 1: backed by billions of dollars and million are actually hundreds

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Speaker 1: of millions of dollars, So criminals, I have one more.

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Speaker 6: Thing real quick.

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Speaker 8: So everybody talks about Manchi Pelosi and her stock markets, Well,

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Speaker 8: the guy that spent on the news a lot lately

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Speaker 8: is Rokahana. Everybody look into his trades.

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Speaker 5: I've been following him.

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Speaker 8: Making a lot of money off mister Rokahana and the

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Speaker 8: games he plays, so he's on TV and stuff. Fact like,

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Speaker 8: it's not a big deal. He sold all his stocks

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Speaker 8: right before he put forth a bill for politicians not

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Speaker 8: being able to trade. Well, the timing of it was

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Speaker 8: right before that big first tariff drop, so he didn't

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Speaker 8: lose any money. He has over two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 8: million dollars in stocks. Find out what he's Everybody needs

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Speaker 8: to look up and see what he started with before

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Speaker 8: he started being a politician. How much money he's made.

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Speaker 8: These politicians, some of these politicians make a lot more

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Speaker 8: money than Nancy Pelosi.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all out.

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Speaker 8: It's all out there Capital trades dot Com. Look at

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Speaker 8: the start doing follow the money and all crimes and

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Speaker 8: everything else once you start finding these people out, but

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Speaker 8: follow the politicians. I had a seventy one percent return

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Speaker 8: rate following politicians. I made one hundred and eighty thousand

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Speaker 8: dollars in sixteen months following politicians.

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Speaker 1: The greed Easy, the greased Palm Index. Find out who

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Speaker 1: in the which lobbying groups are are funneling money into

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Speaker 1: a various you know, toward various representatives and senators, and

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Speaker 1: you'll hit the nail on the head of which companies

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Speaker 1: are probably going to blow up in the stock market.

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Speaker 1: Good jobs. Do you appreciate it? Keep following it, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: keep your popcorn out for cash, matel This he said

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Speaker 1: just yesterday. FBI is on the verge of unmasking the

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Speaker 1: funding behind anti file and it is a frightening amount

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Speaker 1: of very very wealthy people in organizations of substantial size

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Speaker 1: five thirty seven right now stick around stack a stupid

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Speaker 1: or more phone calls. Either way we go say okay

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Speaker 1: with me, I'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: Fifty five KRC the talk station, KRC the talk station.

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Speaker 1: By forty one here fifty five KRCD talk station. Have

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Speaker 1: to the stack? Is stupid. This is one of those

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Speaker 1: moments in time when I really wish you could see

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Speaker 1: the mug shot. Think of Joe Walsh after about five

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Speaker 1: years of a severe methamphetamine addiction. That's about the best

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Speaker 1: that can paint the image here. Anyway. We go to

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Speaker 1: Habersham County, Georgia. Debuty's arrested h Man Friday night after

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Speaker 1: they say he took an excavator out for a joy

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Speaker 1: ride on County pop property. Danny Ross Robinson, are you

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Speaker 1: doing that? Maybe we'll find out. Sixty six year old

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Speaker 1: Danny Ross Robinson facing charges of driving under the influence

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Speaker 1: and theft by taking a motor vehicle. Incident involved a

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Speaker 1: Kamatsu PC two ninety LC excavator. Is that the model

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Speaker 1: you own, Joe, you have the third generation, that's the

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Speaker 1: three hundred. Yeah. Anyway, he was traveling in this excavator

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Speaker 1: along Old Athens Highway about quarter to eight in the evening.

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Speaker 1: Deputies responded to the Happy Way trails way near the

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Speaker 1: site of an animal shelter. Finding the Kamatsu excavators stopped

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Speaker 1: on a private driveway. That's where they found Robinson and

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Speaker 1: arrested him. WCA. Robinson damaged a mailbox with a thirty

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Speaker 1: ton excavator, but didn't hit any other structures and no

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Speaker 1: one else was injured. All right. No word on what

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Speaker 1: he was intoxicated on drugs. Ah, that is true, going

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Speaker 1: blind on this one. Colorado Pueblo County Corner's Office canceled

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Speaker 1: it's quote safe and sweet close quote family friendly Halloween

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Speaker 1: party due to what is described as an ongoing concern

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Speaker 1: regarding twenty four rotting corpses that were found in the

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Speaker 1: previous Corners mortuary. What former Pueblocaddey Corner Brian Cotter fell

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Speaker 1: in o hot water August in August when twenty four

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Speaker 1: decomposing bodies were discovered behind a hidden door in the

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Speaker 1: mortuary home that he owned with his brother, some of

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Speaker 1: the bodies reportedly decomposing. Four fifteen years Gotta resigned from

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Speaker 1: his elected position as the County corner of September and

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Speaker 1: the early part of September, replaced by doctor Greg Garrek.

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Speaker 1: One of his first attempts at regaining community trust was

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Speaker 1: the whole community Halloween event at the Corner's office, but

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Speaker 1: the idea quickly met with pushback from the community. In

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Speaker 1: the face of mounting criticism, well, the office eventually canceled

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Speaker 1: the event. Our intemp was simply to provide a safe,

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Speaker 1: family friendly opportunity for children and families to enjoy the

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Speaker 1: holiday together, as we had provided in the past. Become clear, however,

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Speaker 1: that the event was not well received by some members

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Speaker 1: karens in the community. We recognize and respect those concerns, Assuchs.

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Speaker 1: We've decided to cancel the event. So a few people complain,

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Speaker 1: nobody has a good time, and isn't that the kind

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Speaker 1: of thing you want to do on Halloween? You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in ghosts. I absolutely do not. I

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Speaker 1: want to believe that there's something far more beautiful and

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Speaker 1: magical and mysterious in the next life. That doesn't require

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Speaker 1: me to float around on Earth being a voyeur. That

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Speaker 1: is so weird to me is that God's plan for

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Speaker 1: us to float around in nuisance people that are still alive.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to think not so not to believe in ghosts,

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Speaker 1: but if you believe in ghosts, you believe in haunted

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Speaker 1: places and spaces. Hey, you got twenty four dead bodies,

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Speaker 1: been rotten for the last fifteen years. Wouldn't you think

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Speaker 1: that would be this spooky place to go? Just saying

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Speaker 1: people go to mental institutions have been closed down for

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Speaker 1: years because they claim to be haunted, you know, places

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Speaker 1: where really bad things have happened. Anyhow, somebody complain Bubble

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Speaker 1: Burst five forty five fifty five krs detalk station. Feel

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Speaker 1: free to disagree with me or call about some other

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Speaker 1: more important topic. Beyond that, we're gonna stick with Stupid

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Speaker 1: Coming up next fifty five KRC Johnny Knoxville. HE'SHIO five

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Speaker 1: back to the stackers, Stupid and of course looking forward

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Speaker 1: Donovan and Neil on property taxes. Jay, if you're out

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Speaker 1: gonna be joining the program. Charter Committee Canada for since

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Speaker 1: a city Council. We'll jump over to the stack of stupid.

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Speaker 1: We got a twenty seven year old What are your

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Speaker 1: children doing? In this particular case, a sixteen year old

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Speaker 1: child out there being molested by a twenty seven year

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Speaker 1: old man who's been sentenced one month in jail for

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Speaker 1: manipulating this young girl into having sex with him by

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Speaker 1: using quote devil worship language close quotes. According to prosecutors,

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Speaker 1: Scott Preston Farree also ordered to complete a year of

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Speaker 1: probation in addition to other restrictions, after the victim's mom

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Speaker 1: called the defendant's actions cruel. He was sent in October

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Speaker 1: twentieth previously pleaded guilty with a mental condition to forcible

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Speaker 1: sexual abuse and obstructing juxt justice. Amended to secondary in

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Speaker 1: fact a second degree felonies, along with sexual extortion and

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Speaker 1: dealing in materials harmful to a minor third degree felony.

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Speaker 1: The plea of November last year came after the judge

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Speaker 1: ruled he was competent to stand trial but he was

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Speaker 1: still suffering from a mental condition at the time of

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Speaker 1: the offense's decision made after the defendant had been evaluated

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Speaker 1: by state doctors Accordingly, according to the reporting, January of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, mom of the victim contacted the Sheriff's department,

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Speaker 1: reporting that she was concerned about text messages between her

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Speaker 1: daughter and this creep. She explained how the defendant was

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Speaker 1: manipulating her daughter into having sex. Court documents explained the

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Speaker 1: mother went on to say that Free had been using

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Speaker 1: some type of devil worship language to manipulate her into

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Speaker 1: having sex. When interviewed by deputies, girls said that he

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Speaker 1: instructed her to listen to dev and said quote Dev

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Speaker 1: would text her and tell her what she needed to

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Speaker 1: do to Scott. She went on to disclose that she

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Speaker 1: had been instructed by this dev on numerous occasions that

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Speaker 1: she needed to perform certain sex acts. Of course, she

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Speaker 1: explained to law enforcement that if she did not cooperate

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Speaker 1: that she and her family would be cursed and they

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Speaker 1: would pay a great price for not doing what was

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Speaker 1: required of her. She stated it out of fear for

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Speaker 1: her safety and safety of her family, she would follow

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Speaker 1: the instructions that were provided by DEV. She said that

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Speaker 1: most of these would come through text, either through Instagram

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Speaker 1: and or standard text messages what are your children looking

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Speaker 1: at on their smart devices? Search of the phone reveal

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Speaker 1: an extensive text stream between her and DEV that included

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Speaker 1: graphic detail instructing on where she was to meet free

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Speaker 1: or free, the sex sex that she was to perform

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Speaker 1: in The threats that she did not comply with. The

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Speaker 1: instructions also told her to send naked photos of herself.

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Speaker 1: Text took place over a period of several months. During sentencing,

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Speaker 1: defense attorney asked the court to spare him from any sentence,

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Speaker 1: saying that he's been in treatment since the age of

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Speaker 1: two and is completely dependent on his parents, who are

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Speaker 1: wishing to move to Indiana. Heads Up Indiana listeners. Victim's

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Speaker 1: mom said Ferrey knew what he was doing regardless of

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Speaker 1: his mental condition, said their daughters deserve peace and someone

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Speaker 1: to stand up for the pain that she experienced. Jeez Louise,

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Speaker 1: good guy with a gun and this potation, good girl

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Speaker 1: with a gun. Brave females. Shower shot dead an alleged

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Speaker 1: creep who had been groping another customer and also who

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Speaker 1: threatened to kill everyone inside the Los Angeles beauty store

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Speaker 1: where his shooting occurred. Deputy showed up at a pink

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Speaker 1: beauty supply in Compton three third in the afternoon found

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Speaker 1: a man dead from a gunshot wound. A court of

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Sheriff's Department official said the man entered the

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Speaker 1: store followed a female customer, who he then groped, prompting

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Speaker 1: employees to demand he leave.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: This guy became increasingly verbally assaulted towards employees and customers

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Speaker 1: at court, to the police report, and started throwing and

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Speaker 1: damaging merchandise in the store. Official said the incident rapidly escalated.

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Speaker 1: Employees and customers noted that the male had an object

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Speaker 1: in his hand that they thought was a knife, and

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Speaker 1: that the male made verbal threats that he was going

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Speaker 1: to kill and harm everyone in the store. After those threats,

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Speaker 1: another female customer pulled out a gun and fired a

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Speaker 1: warning show out of the suspect. The man then rushed

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Speaker 1: at the armed female customer, who obviously had another bullet.

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Speaker 1: The gun squeezed off a second round, which proved to

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Speaker 1: be fatal. Police did not identify the man who was killed.

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Speaker 1: Local news there to a report that he was a

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Speaker 1: forty two year old with gang ties and a criminal

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Speaker 1: record including assaults, robberies, and thefts. Copp said the customer

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Speaker 1: who pulled the trigger did so out of fear for

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Speaker 1: her safety and was not arrested. She's also cooperating with

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Speaker 1: the detectives. Now up to the LA District County Attorney's

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Speaker 1: off District Attorney's office rather to decide whether she's going

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Speaker 1: to be charged. So valence footage from the beauty store

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Speaker 1: suggests additional customers were present during the altercation and shooting,

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Speaker 1: so there's plenty of witnesses. Internet of Things Every Friday

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Speaker 1: Tech Friday with Dave Hatter six point thirty. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to say no on this one. I guess I understand

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Speaker 1: the motivations for why you might want it, but I

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Speaker 1: Am never going to put a camera on my toilet.

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Speaker 1: Ida behind the toilet Giant Cohler Dakota is the name

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Speaker 1: of the product. It's five hundred and ninety nine dollars.

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Speaker 1: It clamps over the rim of like a toilet bowl cleaner,

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Speaker 1: so it's underneath that lid, pointing an optical sensor at

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Speaker 1: your excretions and secretions, which it then analyzes, I know,

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Speaker 1: to detect tech things like blood, your gut, health, hydration status.

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Speaker 1: And after five hundred and ninety nine dollars to buy

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Speaker 1: the device to spy on your toilet and perhaps even you,

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Speaker 1: there's a subscription fee that they say is between seventy

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Speaker 1: and one hundred and fifty six bucks a year, depending

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Speaker 1: on your plan choice. No text ad at toilet time.

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Speaker 1: You sign in via fingerprint sensor so the device knows

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Speaker 1: who's using it the article reporty please wash your hands

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Speaker 1: before signing out or tracking your progress. Then, of course

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Speaker 1: it comes with an app. You check the app for

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Speaker 1: the day's analysis and over time. No, I no, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna go now, Oh Joe, Larry, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry we're out of time in this segment, but I

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Speaker 1: want to hear what you have to say, and I

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Speaker 1: don't care what it is, but you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: hang out for a few minutes. If you don't mind

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Speaker 1: doing that, I'll take your call as soon as we

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Speaker 1: get back after the top of the hour.

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Speaker 9: News Today's tough headlines coming up at the top of

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Speaker 9: the hours for Chicago.

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Speaker 1: That's a great city, that's like a war zone. Fifty

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Speaker 1: five the talk station six or six here fifty five

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Speaker 1: karose De Talk Station by Thomas right here, Wish and

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Speaker 1: everybody a very happy Wednesday, and looking forward to an

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Speaker 1: hour from now to Big Picture with Jack ovanan on

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Speaker 1: truly affordable healthcare. Jack apparently has the answer to our problems.

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Speaker 1: Don O'Neill Americans for Prosperity, property taxes. Donovan's gonna tackle that.

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Speaker 1: At eight thirty and thirty, Brother Tom Claven's going to

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Speaker 1: join the show. Running Deep, the name of his book

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Speaker 1: about submarine submarines, Like, oh, all those different submarine books

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Speaker 1: she got out there, the Tom Clancy books kind of things. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Tom Claven running Deep for my submarine or fans out there.

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Speaker 1: Eight h five Judging and Apolitano a Trumpian headache, the

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Speaker 1: name of his column, which I have a copy of

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Speaker 1: in advance. We might be a delve into more than

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Speaker 1: one just topic one topic, and then Charter Committee candidate

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Speaker 1: for Cincinni City Council. Open voting going on right now.

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Speaker 1: Lake to Call. She'll joined the program talking about police

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Speaker 1: Chief Threes, Thigi and the saga that's been well unfolding

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Speaker 1: before our very eyes and as well her campaign. So,

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Speaker 1: as I promised, I'm going to take Larry's call, he

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Speaker 1: was kind enough to hold over the break. Larry, thanks

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Speaker 1: for holding over and welcome to the morning show.

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Speaker 2: Yes, good morning. I would want to get an update

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Speaker 2: from me if you can about the incident downtown there

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Speaker 2: with the fellows that beat up the guy and the girl.

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Speaker 2: Are they I haven't heard anything about. Are they still

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Speaker 2: in jail? Do they have ankle monitors? And the guy

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Speaker 2: that they beat up is he Did he ever get

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Speaker 2: released or is he still in jail? Do you have

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Speaker 2: any kind of I don't think that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the guy that got beat up. I

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Speaker 1: think that citation was issued for him slapping the other guy,

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Speaker 1: but that would not result at him being incarcerated. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing that warrant's incarceration for the slap. But in so

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Speaker 1: far as the others are concerned, there was a local

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Speaker 1: store I didn't get to. One of the suspects who's

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Speaker 1: facing the felony charges from the beatdown on July twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Apparently this guy has paranoid schizophrenia and his lawyer was

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Speaker 1: in court the other day demanding that Dominic Kittle get

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Speaker 1: the help he needs in a hospital. Apparently he lost way.

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Speaker 1: They say he's got a kidney ailman. His attorney's believing

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Speaker 1: he's being a hospital. Common Police Judge Allison Hathway order

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Speaker 1: him to be transferred to a psychiatric hospital once one

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Speaker 1: became available, but apparently the only place he can go

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Speaker 1: is some behavioral health care in roseland have a ten

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Speaker 1: week weight. There might be an illustration of a broader

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Speaker 1: problem we have in society, insufficient space where criminal folks

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Speaker 1: who are struggling from cognitive problems. Anyway, he is still incarcerated.

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Speaker 1: I do believe others are. Some of them have posted bail.

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Speaker 1: His bail or his bond was two hundred ninety thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: He does not have the money or resources to post it,

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Speaker 1: which is why he's still incarcerated. That's the only That's

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Speaker 1: the latest I've got on that one. So things are

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Speaker 1: still pending. Chargers are still filed, and keep that popcorn

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Speaker 1: out Larry's I always like to joke.

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Speaker 2: Okay, one more thing, if you don't mind one more thing,

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Speaker 2: Does Tom have a patent on his phrase? You're your

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Speaker 2: most faithful caller, Tom? Okay, because I noticed a few

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Speaker 2: people have been using a few of your other callers,

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Speaker 2: and I'm about to use it right now. I hope

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Speaker 2: we don't have a patent, and I don't get sued,

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Speaker 2: but don't vote Democrat.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Appreciate it, Larry, I appreciate the sentiment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And anybody can feel free to use that if you

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Speaker 1: choose not copywritten, trademarked, or pat words you can't get

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Speaker 1: you can't patent words can trademark them, though Tom might

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Speaker 1: want to consider that. Five one three, seven, nine fifty

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Speaker 1: eight hundred two three to found five fifty on eight

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Speaker 1: and T funds briefly, and I talked about the last hour.

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Speaker 1: Police Chiefdiji's lawyers came out and made really great points yesterday.

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Speaker 1: They have no reason to dismiss her, apparently after after

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Speaker 1: six months of employment, which she has been fully employed

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Speaker 1: by the City of Cincinnati forever, but also as police

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Speaker 1: chief for longer than six months, she can only be

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Speaker 1: dismissed for cause nor lawyer saying what what? What does

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Speaker 1: she do? Said the city does not even claim to

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Speaker 1: have caused for removing her from the job. It's a

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Speaker 1: good point. Called her a political scapegoat, political pawn, and

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Speaker 1: I think he's onto something here. Her lawyer, Stephen M

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Speaker 1: from the Finny Law firm, also parenthetically representing Michael Washington,

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Speaker 1: former police chief who's alreadyrun. Is one is wrong for

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Speaker 1: termination cases? Just waiting to get paid. When I asked

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Speaker 1: about the investigation of the city is conducting to the

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Speaker 1: THIJI and who would be responsible for it, Attorney Steve M.

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Speaker 1: Your guess is as good as mine. This is a

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Speaker 1: situation where a sentence has already been passed on Terry

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Speaker 1: and now the city is looking to see if they

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Speaker 1: can find a crime that she committed. And it's kind

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Speaker 1: of true, isn't it. Why was she placed on administrative leave?

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Speaker 1: Did you ever hear of an explanation? City council members

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Speaker 1: have no idea? Well, I have no idea. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's a personnel matter. I don't know it. Don't pay

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Speaker 1: attention to that kind of stuff boiled down At least

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Speaker 1: the council members who were willing to talk with local

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Speaker 1: media pretty much you can boil down their comments to

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Speaker 1: what I just summarized there. Eddie, how we had to

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Speaker 1: call earlier about the organization the Antifah Folks. FBI director

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Speaker 1: Cash Metelligist said the astrode I believe it was FBI's

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Speaker 1: on the verge of unmasking this what he called command

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Speaker 1: structure and financing of the violent anarchist group Antipha. FBI

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Speaker 1: looking into the money trail, they say there's indications of

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Speaker 1: support for anti American radical groups from foreign enemies, money

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Speaker 1: coming in from overseas, as well as US nonprofits with

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Speaker 1: IRS tax exemptions. He said more indictments will be forthcoming

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Speaker 1: in the investigation of the weaponization of the government. Another

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Speaker 1: parallel comment, but anyway. During the interview, Cash Mattel explained

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Speaker 1: that the effort in tracking antiphas becomes so important that

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Speaker 1: they've actually set an entire new program and division dead

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Speaker 1: rooting out them that is funding these operations. So fact

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Speaker 1: sheet from the September executive order declaring them a terrorist operation.

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Speaker 1: The order directs the federal government to investigate, disrupt, and

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Speaker 1: dismantle all illegal operations conducted by Antiphi or any person

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Speaker 1: claiming to act on behalf of Antiphi. It also calls

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Speaker 1: from investigating, disrupting, dismantally and funding sources behind such operations.

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Speaker 1: What they're onto here, I believe is ultimately a reco charge.

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Speaker 1: You got coordinated criminal activity. It's being well funded, well organized,

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Speaker 1: and they're following this trail. He said, We've got a

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Speaker 1: network of NGOs, not just Soros network, the Open Society Network,

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Speaker 1: other groups like Arabella funding network, the Tides funding network,

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Speaker 1: Neville Roy Singham in his network, and then foreign money

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Speaker 1: as well. So that's a serious thing. And then pivot

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Speaker 1: over to Donald Trump's success in the appeals court on

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Speaker 1: his placing the National Guard in Portland. Just recently, an

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Speaker 1: appeals court affirmed the Ninth Circuit US Court of Appeals

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Speaker 1: of all Courses court's usually very liberal overturned the lower

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Speaker 1: level decision blocking the President from deploying the Guard units

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Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon. So this is a two to one decision.

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Speaker 1: But the reason I'm bringing this up now on the

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Speaker 1: heels of that Cash Bettel comment on the FBI's investigation.

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Speaker 1: The court took the time in saying Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: the right to put these troops there to protect the

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Speaker 1: federal facilities and federal agents, and they're not enforcing state law.

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Speaker 1: They're not there to give traffic tickets to Portlanders like

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Speaker 1: the police department would. But here's the quote from the court,

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Speaker 1: and do you recall reading in this glorious detail all

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Speaker 1: the criminal activity that they have been conducting just there alone,

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Speaker 1: just one city among many who's been subjected to this

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Speaker 1: ANTIFA attacks on ice quote. Todays and months leading up

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Speaker 1: to the federalization order at issue here, immigration related protests

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Speaker 1: and events have occurred at several ICE facilities around the country.

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Speaker 1: While many of these events have been peaceful, others have

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Speaker 1: been violent and even deadly. For example, September twenty fourth,

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Speaker 1: a shooting in an ICE facility in Dallas in which

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Speaker 1: one detainee was killed and two others were seriously injured.

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Speaker 1: September twenty six, over two hundred protesters blocked access to

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Speaker 1: a gate and an ICE facility in Chicago. One of

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Speaker 1: the protesters apprehended with a gun in his possession. June

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, regular protests at Lindquist Federal Building, an

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Speaker 1: ICE facility in Portland. Some of the protests have been peaceful,

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Speaker 1: but many have turned violent. And protesters have threatened federal

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Speaker 1: law enforcement officers in the building. DHS forced to close

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Speaker 1: the facility for more than three weeks. June eighth, protesters

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Speaker 1: placed wood rocks and a traffic barrier, apparently to impede operations.

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Speaker 1: June eleven, demand set fire to various material Protesters compiled

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Speaker 1: the barricade and a vehicle gate, and other protesters added

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Speaker 1: to the pile of materials, increasing the flames. Protesters then

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Speaker 1: placed a pole against the main lobby entrance. June fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: serious incident occurred when a group of protesters, including one

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Speaker 1: who was carrying a firearm, advance up the driveway of

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Speaker 1: the ice facility towards the main gate. They threw rocks

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Speaker 1: and sticks at the guard shack and fired m eight

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Speaker 1: fireworks at Federal Protective Service officers. Protesters through a mortar

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Speaker 1: at the front entrance of the building, injuring an officer.

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Speaker 1: FBS officers had to extinguish two fires in front of

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Speaker 1: the building. They were forced to barricade themselves inside the building,

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Speaker 1: and protesters placed chains on the exterior doors. Think about

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Speaker 1: that they chained them in the building that they are

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Speaker 1: basically setting on fire. Eventually, the protesters attempted to breach

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Speaker 1: the front door, breaking the front door's class. June twenty fourth,

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Speaker 1: protesters attempt to sit a US flag on fire in

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Speaker 1: the driveway of the ice facilitium. Later, another protester attempted

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Speaker 1: to light an incendiary device next to the guard shack.

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Speaker 1: An officer's got approached the protesters, she threatened them with knives.

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Speaker 1: Protesters also port a substance believed to be motor oil

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Speaker 1: in the vehicle entrance. Also June twenty fourth, a protesters

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Speaker 1: shot officers with paintballs after an FBS officer warned protesters

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Speaker 1: to clear the building driveway. Anothers shined a laser in

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Speaker 1: an officer's light. The same night, another protester was arrested

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Speaker 1: for assaulting an officer with a machete and knife. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's apparently. Although they reference protests around this country in

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Speaker 1: various cities, all of what I just read in the

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Speaker 1: court's opinion about what they're dealing with in Portland. These

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Speaker 1: are organized assaults on ice facilities, Federal property, and federal

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Speaker 1: agents governed by federal law and local law enforcement will

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Speaker 1: not protect them. State law applies. If you punch a

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Speaker 1: human being, you can be charged just like a federal

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Speaker 1: officer could be You could be charged for punching a

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Speaker 1: federal officer under state law. You could be charged punching

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Speaker 1: your next door neighbor under state law assault battery, that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing, setting fires in the street. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there's a statute or ordinance, a criminal ordinance in Portland

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Speaker 1: saying that you can't do that, right, No kidding. Apparently

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Speaker 1: for that criminal behavior threatening what federal property and federal officers' lives.

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Speaker 1: Enter the assertion of crowd control law enforcement to enforce

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Speaker 1: federal law and protect our federal agents legal. It's chaos,

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Speaker 1: it's dangerous, it's run amuck, it's out of control. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: lifting a finger to prosecute and stop this criminal behavior

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Speaker 1: from happening. That's why Donald Trump has the authority to

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Speaker 1: were burning. Welcome back to the morning show, Cribbage, Mike

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Speaker 1: aka submarine or Mike, thanks for your service to our country.

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Speaker 10: The quotea famous American I'll have my popcorn out and

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Speaker 10: my feet up.

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Speaker 1: Good, it's gonna be a I thought of you immediately

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Speaker 1: USS Tang Tang. You ever heard that submarine?

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Speaker 11: No?

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Speaker 8: It will?

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Speaker 10: No, Well, I thought it was either going to be

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Speaker 10: the Tang or the USS Barb with the commanding author

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Speaker 10: Eugene Flucky won the Medal of Honor. But yes, this will,

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Speaker 10: This should be thrilling.

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Speaker 1: This is Captain Richard Heatherington's O'Kaine apparently commanded the attack.

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Speaker 4: Sin there you go get cocaine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you would know about that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: whether you called about that, but that guest com Tom

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Speaker 1: What prompted your call this morning?

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Speaker 10: Well, actually, before I get to my point, I want

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Speaker 10: to you just mentioned a weather forecast with frost coming up,

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Speaker 10: so I said, you know, I might be lighting off

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Speaker 10: my my gas fireplace here shortly. So thanks to Sean

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Speaker 10: and the good folks at Chimney Caerco who were out

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Speaker 10: last year, I looked, you know, between the louvers on

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Speaker 10: top of my firebox to make sure the grandkids didn't

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Speaker 10: put any other toys up there again, but it might

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Speaker 10: be a smoking hazard, so we're good to go from

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Speaker 10: bring on the frost.

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Speaker 1: That's so funny you had to smoke Billy out in

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Speaker 1: your living room because your grand kids stuck and toys

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Speaker 1: up there. I forgot about that. Thanks for the shout out.

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Speaker 1: Are good friends at Jimney Carco.

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Speaker 10: Hey, a couple of callers the last couple of days

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Speaker 10: have mentioned about, you know, voting integrity and machines.

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Speaker 4: And rightly so.

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Speaker 10: But I just wanted to put some things to rest

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Speaker 10: or maybe give some information to your listener. I've been

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Speaker 10: a precinct election official out here in Claremont County for

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Speaker 10: ten years and I work with four precincts on the

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Speaker 10: voting location manager, so I have three per precincts. So

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Speaker 10: out of those twelve people, we have six Republicans and

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Speaker 10: six Democrats that work the polls, very dedicated civilians, and

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Speaker 10: I can only encourage people. It's still not too late

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Speaker 10: if you'd like to become a poll worker. We still

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Speaker 10: have training going on and just a great way, obviously

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Speaker 10: your civic duty to spend thirteen hours with some really

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Speaker 10: great patriots. But once again you can learn a little

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Speaker 10: bit about the idiosyncrasies of the system, which might you

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Speaker 10: call your fears a little bit, just the auditing that

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Speaker 10: goes on just at the poll level when people come

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Speaker 10: in to vote, every one of those ballots are serialized.

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Speaker 10: You have an independent count there at the polling state

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Speaker 10: of check in place with the tablet, so you get

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Speaker 10: a count there. You had the number on that ballot,

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Speaker 10: of the count, and when it actually goes through the

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Speaker 10: machine and the reader, that's another separate in the account.

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Speaker 10: And at the end of the day, when we shut

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Speaker 10: the polls at seven point thirty, I do an audit

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Speaker 10: right there and nothing's going to happen, but it allows

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Speaker 10: the Clermont County Board of Elections to know how our

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Speaker 10: numbers all ginned up between actual votes counted, the provisional

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Speaker 10: ballots and the remaining serialized ballots that are left, and

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Speaker 10: then when they actually certify the election, and if there's

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Speaker 10: an anomaly, then they dived into it a little bit deeper,

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Speaker 10: and unfortunately I cannot even though I work downtown. I

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Speaker 10: would love to be able to vote downtown. But Christopher

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Speaker 10: always consistently brings up and you echo as well, about

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Speaker 10: the need you do not have to vote in this

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Speaker 10: case for nine councilmen. At any time you vote on

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Speaker 10: a presidential election, you just want to vote for the president.

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Speaker 10: Vote for the president. But what that ballot is going

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Speaker 10: to do, because now you have quote unquote undervoted, it's

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Speaker 10: going to kick that ballot out. Stay there, because it's

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Speaker 10: going to ask you, do you want to submit this ballot? Yes,

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Speaker 10: So if you want to vote just for Christopher or

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Speaker 10: you just want to vote for Corey Wollman, do that,

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Speaker 10: but that ballot's going to be kicked out, and it says,

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Speaker 10: do you want to do this? If you walk away,

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Speaker 10: we are by law we have to soil that ballot.

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Speaker 10: That ballot will not count then, because we cannot assume

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Speaker 10: that's what you wanted to do, you.

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Speaker 1: Have to affirmatively confirm that that's what your vote is. Sure, yes, sir, okay,

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Speaker 1: well and that.

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Speaker 10: It comes up on the screen. So just don't walk away,

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Speaker 10: and hopefully, because we have pollwalk watchers that stand there,

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Speaker 10: we'll not We don't care what you vote for, but

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Speaker 10: if it does get kicked out, we want to get

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Speaker 10: you right there because sometimes people quote unquote overvote. So

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Speaker 10: if you're in a category like let's say city council,

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Speaker 10: you you can only vote for nine. If you vote

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Speaker 10: for ten, eleven or twelve, it's going to kick it out.

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Speaker 10: Now you've over voted, right, and everybody gets three chances

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Speaker 10: to vote. So if you color in the wrong circle,

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Speaker 10: you do an X instead of colored in and make

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Speaker 10: a simple mistake, you actually get three, you know, three

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Speaker 10: strikes in, you're out, all right.

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Speaker 1: In conclusion, a simple yes or no question, curbage, my

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Speaker 1: my dedicated service friend. Thank you for your service to

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Speaker 1: our country. You're ongoing service work in the polls. Do

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Speaker 1: you have faith in the ballot and the election integrity

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Speaker 1: in the state to Ohio or at least in Hamilton.

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Speaker 10: County one thousand percent?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much. Mike honor fly tries

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Speaker 1: date next Tuesday, get that in right now, planning for

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Speaker 1: it be at CVEG byt eight thirty and join the

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Speaker 1: two thousand other people who'll be welcoming home as wonderful veterans.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Mike, always appreciate hearing from me. Six twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: I've got George next. If you want to hang out

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Speaker 1: plus New Hampshire, Gary can go over to the phones

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Speaker 1: here if you want to join the fun. Five one, three, seven, four,

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Speaker 1: nine fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eighty two to

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Speaker 1: three talk five fact fifty on ET and T funds.

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Speaker 1: George here first. Thanks for holding over the break, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Good to hear from you this morning.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, burn. I was just thinking about a pattern

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of seeing here during this shut down. The

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Speaker 5: Democrats are wanting to throw three and or so dollars

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Speaker 5: in to their slush fun because they're having difficulties raising donations,

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Speaker 5: and since the nts in the US money cried up,

996
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Speaker 5: they're getting pretty best for to line in their pockets.

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Speaker 5: Looks to be like just something I see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not quite sure that the Democrats themselves are

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Speaker 1: going to get access to the federal taxpayer dollars to

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Speaker 1: fund any of their own campaigns. What it's going to

1001
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Speaker 1: do is expand Obamacare. Of course, keep those subsidies in

1002
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Speaker 1: place that they obviously set to expire in December. And

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Speaker 1: we can go on and on. But their list of

1004
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Speaker 1: demands in their version of the bill that would reopen

1005
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Speaker 1: the government, it ultimately totals one point two trillion dollars,

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Speaker 1: and I know it's been widely reported that's six hundred

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Speaker 1: billion of that, and that's over ten years. I suppose

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Speaker 1: four hundred billion of that relates to the extension of

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Speaker 1: the the Obamacare subsidies. But I as nefarious as these

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Speaker 1: clowns are, in as little as I trust them, I

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Speaker 1: don't really think that they're going to get their hands

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Speaker 1: directly on the money. I'm sure they've got workarounds around

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Speaker 1: how to do that though. Charge.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a money log in operation. They have to

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Speaker 5: run it through the insurance company there, dranking out their premiums. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and then the insurance companys it back to of course.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly money right, yeah, in an

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Speaker 1: indirect way. Yes, The money that goes out into the

1019
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Speaker 1: world through a government program lands in the lap of

1020
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Speaker 1: a lot of well connected, well heeled, and very wealthy businesses,

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Speaker 1: including medical insurance companies who do have lobbying firms that

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Speaker 1: write checks the politicians who do good things for their companies.

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Speaker 1: Thus it has sadly ever been Thank you, George, appreciated,

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire, Gary, welcome back, my friend. Good to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. Happy Wednesday.

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Speaker 11: It's good to hear from you.

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Speaker 5: Brian.

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Speaker 11: Hey, I just I'm going to throw my two cents

1029
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Speaker 11: on this useless police chief Fiji. If we all go

1030
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Speaker 11: back to July, which is like a whole long time ago,

1031
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Speaker 11: if we remember the beatdown where there was five days

1032
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Speaker 11: of silence from the police chief and the commissioners and everybody.

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Speaker 11: Finally she came out and had a press conference, if

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Speaker 11: you remember, and she scolded social media as only showing

1035
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Speaker 11: one side of the story. And this was, if you

1036
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Speaker 11: remember Holly, who's the peak victim. We ought to ask

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Speaker 11: her what she thinks of the chief's useless position.

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00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: But Newhamster Garritt, new Amster Garrett, is that a fireable

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Speaker 1: offense just because she chose those choice of words, and

1040
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Speaker 1: you know that lapse of time before she came out

1041
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Speaker 1: and made a statement, we're all under the firm impression

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Speaker 1: by this point is three police chief threes that Thiji

1043
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Speaker 1: was not doing what Police Chief Fiji might have done

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Speaker 1: if she was independent. She's not. She runs at the

1045
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Speaker 1: behest of aftab pro Ball and city Manager Long. So

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Speaker 1: it may be that those two told Police Chief Thiji

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Speaker 1: that she should say something along those lines, right, I.

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Speaker 11: Agree with okay, I agree with that. But I think

1049
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Speaker 11: what we're showing as a systemic problem with their only

1050
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 11: hiring yes men and that, well, that's all it is. No,

1051
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Speaker 11: I doubt the problem is it was the whole system

1052
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 11: is busted. And you know with this bust and most

1053
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Speaker 11: of it came from the collaborative agreement from two thousand

1054
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Speaker 11: and ten, the riots and all that stuff, and two

1055
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Speaker 11: people who were they just got what they wanted and

1056
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Speaker 11: now they're running rampshot over the entire city. That's that's

1057
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Speaker 11: what it is.

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Speaker 1: Well, and maybe all these revelations Gary and people saying

1059
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Speaker 1: question marks swirling around Thiegi's firing or being removed from

1060
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Speaker 1: from active duty, the fact that neighborhoods have not gotten

1061
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: the roads paved, the fact that we have limitations on

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00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: how we in our own individual community can steer the

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Speaker 1: direction of development. No, no, no, that lands in the

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Speaker 1: lap of the mayor. You have no saying it. All

1065
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Speaker 1: of these little things piling up and piling up reflect

1066
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Speaker 1: exactly what your boiled down conclusion is. We have a

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Speaker 1: dysfundunctional government in the city of Cincinnati. Look, we get

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Speaker 1: to vote first week in November. Maybe we should change things, right,

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Speaker 1: Let's move the kit in a different direction.

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Speaker 4: So why not?

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Speaker 11: I hope so? Because Cincinnati is near and dear to

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Speaker 11: my heart.

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Speaker 1: Amen, Brother, No, I live.

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Speaker 11: In New Hampshire, you know so, I really hope so.

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Speaker 1: All right, New Hampshire, Gary, I share your thoughts. When

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Speaker 1: we lived in Chicago, I still felt city of Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart, not as much as

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Speaker 1: I felt after we move back, though. It's a real

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Speaker 1: eye opening experience. Folks, live someplace else and then reflect

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Speaker 1: back in your life in the city, or just move

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Speaker 1: back and experience the eye opening awesomeness that living in

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Speaker 1: this part of the country is compared to a place

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Speaker 1: like Chicago. I'm not speaking to New Hampshire, Garrey. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it's like where you are, but I

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Speaker 1: know my experience Cincinnati demonstrably better, even in spite of

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Speaker 1: its warts. Six point thirty seven and I fifty five

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Speaker 1: kr CD talk station feel free to call, but another

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Speaker 1: number you might want to call if you have pain

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Speaker 1: QC Kinetics six PO forty one, if you five CARCD

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Speaker 1: talk station Girl scout Bridge, it's the Dan Beard Bridge.

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Speaker 1: I believe that will be the Boy scout Bridge. At

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Speaker 1: least it used to be Y two three talk with

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Speaker 1: Town five fifty on AT and T phones. Gret to comment.

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Speaker 1: Love to hear from you real quick here. Remember we

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Speaker 1: had the weaponization of the Department of Justice, Eric Holder,

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Speaker 1: going all the way back to Eric Holder and the

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Speaker 1: Obama administration, going after conservative organizations, going after businesses, lawful

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Speaker 1: businesses licensed to do business in the United States of

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Speaker 1: America being deprived of bank accounts because of pressure placed

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Speaker 1: on banks by the Department of Justice. We had the

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Speaker 1: weaponization of the FBI, and there's more coming out on

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Speaker 1: that day in and day out. I see that the

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Speaker 1: House Judiciary Committee has referred as CIA director John Brennan

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Speaker 1: to the Justice Department for prosecution given the shenanigans he

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Speaker 1: was involved with concerning the Steel dossier. Weaponization of the government,

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Speaker 1: the CIA and other lettered organizations against Donald Trump. We've

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Speaker 1: all kind of felt the sting the IRS weaponizing under

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Speaker 1: lowest learner to depriving you and your conservative organization of

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Speaker 1: five oh one to three c status. Well, how about FEMA, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: FEMA's the next one. Internal probe has found FEMA officials

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Speaker 1: under Biden's administration refused to help disaster victims who supported

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. This according to a Department of Homeland Security

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Speaker 1: announcement yesterday. DHS investigators say the politically motivated discriminations went

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Speaker 1: from Hurricane Ida back in twenty twenty one all the

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Speaker 1: way through Hurricane Milton. In twenty four. The DHS Privacy

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Speaker 1: Office determined that FEMA workers, in their words, systematically bypassed

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Speaker 1: homes that had pro Trump or Second Amendment signs. They

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Speaker 1: collected political data on survivors in direct violation of the

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Speaker 1: Privacy Act. In nineteen seventy four report describes the behavior

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Speaker 1: and that reports words a troubling overreach weaponizing the federal

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Speaker 1: disaster relief against Americans and Crisis Christy Nom, DHS secretary,

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Speaker 1: the federal government was withholding aid from Americans based on

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Speaker 1: their political beliefs. This should horrify every citizen YEP fifty

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Speaker 1: Paige investigations or investigation. FEMA employees were told to avoid

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Speaker 1: homes advertising Trump. Apparently, at least twenty floor to homes

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Speaker 1: reportedly went without initial aid after Hurricane Milton. FEMA staff

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Speaker 1: also logged information about residents' political views. DHS said that's

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Speaker 1: a move that demonstrated a failure to protect data integrity

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Speaker 1: and fairness. The investigators found discrimination wasn't isolated, contrary to

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Speaker 1: testimony from Biden's FEMA administrator Diane Criswell in front of

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Speaker 1: Congress and interred in multiple disasters across several states. They

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Speaker 1: say FEMA violated the Privacy Act by creating an undisclosed

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Speaker 1: database linking personal information to political beliefs. Isn't that scary?

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Speaker 1: And you consider the amount of data that the federal

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Speaker 1: government has collected on us all across the board. They're

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Speaker 1: looking at our individual data, making determinations about our political affiliation,

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Speaker 1: and then deciding they're either going to stop and offer

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Speaker 1: assistance at my house flooded as it may be, or

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Speaker 1: strictened by a hurricane, and not stop there because well,

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Speaker 1: you're of the wrong political affiliation, you're not friends of

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Speaker 1: the party. Sounds remarkably dystopian and sounds remarkably like other

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Speaker 1: former governments like Stalin Khrushchev, Hitler. Yeah, sorry, your politics

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Speaker 1: don't align. You are not entitled to government services, even

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Speaker 1: though your taxes help pay for them. Got madam a line. Matt,

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Speaker 1: you're next. You to mind holding. I'll be right with you.

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Speaker 1: I want to mention Chimneycare Fireplace as though you heard

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Speaker 1: Mike early station six fifty if if you have KCV

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Speaker 1: talk stations, this is why I have. Joe Stracker, I

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Speaker 1: only was sort of peripherally listening to the traffic report

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Speaker 1: in the last segment. I heard girls Scott Bridge and

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Speaker 1: immediately thought of the boy Scout Bridge, Dan Beard aka

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Speaker 1: Big Mack Bridge. I thought that's what he was referred to.

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Speaker 1: What's at the girls Cut Bridge, Joe Strecker, Hey, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's the Covington, Kentucky Bridge crosses the Licking River, also

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Speaker 1: known as a twelve street bridge. You learn something every day,

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Speaker 1: and yes, I'm more than happy to admit when well,

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Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. So let's go to the phones and

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Speaker 1: see what Matt has to say. Matt, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday.

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Speaker 12: Oh hi, Brian, I'm going to weigh in on this

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Speaker 12: Chief Fiji situation. You know, if she hasn't been able

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Speaker 12: to do her job like she wanted to. Why doesn't

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Speaker 12: she maybe go have a private conversation with Corey Bowman

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Speaker 12: and they can work out an arrangement or a deal,

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Speaker 12: if you will, and then she can come out and

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Speaker 12: let the voters know what mayor pure Evil has been

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Speaker 12: up to, and then the voters can decide whether they

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Speaker 12: want to dispatch mayor Pure Evil in the coming election.

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Speaker 1: I think that maybe even a thorny issue or a

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Speaker 1: sticky wicket issue. I don't know what liberty she has

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Speaker 1: to talk about her her job in consult consultation with

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Speaker 1: other people, notably political candidates. I don't know if that

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Speaker 1: could serve. And I'm guessing here, I'm just walking through

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Speaker 1: potential challenges because I've heard there are some limitations on

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Speaker 1: how much leeway the chief has to speak about matters,

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Speaker 1: so that could be something. And you know, I just

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Speaker 1: don't want her to put herself in a position where

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Speaker 1: they can say, haha, see here's why we got rid

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Speaker 1: of her because of well, something she did after we

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Speaker 1: got rid of her. I don't know. It just looks terrible.

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Speaker 1: The optics are awful from Arafa per of All and

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Speaker 1: city Manager Cheryl Long, and that satisfies me sufficiently. It'll

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Speaker 1: all come to a head at some point. Police Chief

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Speaker 1: Fiji's either going to get big, big fat check from

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Speaker 1: the city of government, much like the former fire chief

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Speaker 1: Michael Washington's gonna give big, big fat check. Note again,

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Speaker 1: this is the second time this has happened. They got

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Speaker 1: rid of Michael Washington without cause. They fired him with

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Speaker 1: no reason. He went to court over it, and he

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Speaker 1: has prevailed. He was terminated wrongfully according to court decision.

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Speaker 1: Now just comes a question of damages. So we have

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Speaker 1: a problem with the administration. We have a problem with

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Speaker 1: politics regarding the fire chief and the police chief, and

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Speaker 1: that's on full display. And I hope everybody's paying attention.

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Speaker 1: And we can send Mary aftab purval and then ultimately

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Speaker 1: share along along with them packing after Wednesday, the first

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Speaker 1: Wednesday November or the first Tuesday November. Appreciate it, Matt,

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Speaker 1: certainly do. Oh and real quick here, since our next

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Speaker 1: listener lunch is the following day, I just want to

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Speaker 1: remind everybody about that. So we're going to be at

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Speaker 1: High Grain Brewery. I think it's the Brentwood location. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: High Grain Brewery, Brentwood location. November fifth day, after the election.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping we have something to celebrate. I really truly am.

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Speaker 1: Or we'll just contemplate maybe the craziness of the City

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati voters that they continue to go down the

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Speaker 1: same path, you know, definition of stupidity, doing the same

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Speaker 1: thing over and over again, expecting a different result. Fred,

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Speaker 1: thanks for calling the Morning Show. Happy Wednesday to you, Fred, Fred,

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Speaker 1: Fred Joe, just turn you on, So start from scratch.

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear your initial comments.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you're talking about the police chief.

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Speaker 7: You know she gets she's not going to quick getty far.

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Speaker 3: The thing is I don't think we're understanding is I

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Speaker 3: think the mayor and all these crazy people they have

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Speaker 3: a theory on how all this is supposed to work,

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Speaker 3: and they're mad at her because she wasn't able to

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Speaker 3: implement their policy correctly to get it to work, even

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Speaker 3: though we know it doesn't work. Similar to the socialists

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Speaker 3: who say, hey, socialism will work, it just hasn't been

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Speaker 3: tried by.

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Speaker 1: Us, right, yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, I mean certainly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think they actually think it's

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Speaker 3: going to work. Their policy is going to work, but

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Speaker 3: reality says no.

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Speaker 1: Fred. If you reflect out look over this great vast

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Speaker 1: country of ours, and take a look at San Francisco

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Speaker 1: or Portland or you know what I'm where I'm going

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Speaker 1: with this San francisc I mean, it's never worked any

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Speaker 1: place it's tried. Once you stop prosecuting and and and

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Speaker 1: uh and and you know, harsh punishments on criminals, they're

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Speaker 1: just gonna start engaging in criminal activity. Was the dumbest

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Speaker 1: concept ever. Fred Let's decriminalized thefts of nine hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: or less of whatever that policy was in California. Well,

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Speaker 1: what idiot didn't think that it was going to result

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Speaker 1: in mass theft at convenience stores and and uh and pharmaceuticals.

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Speaker 1: And it's just dumb, epic, woke, stupid. They just live

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Speaker 1: in their own echo chamber and they talk on a

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Speaker 1: theoretical level like that, Oh, we just talk about it.

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Speaker 1: We imagined that it could be a new world. It's

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Speaker 1: boiled down. It's like believing in communism. From each according's ability,

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Speaker 1: each court. We're all going to get along, we're all

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Speaker 1: going to be part of the religion. We're all going

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Speaker 1: to participate to our fullest extent. No one's gonna be lazy,

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Speaker 1: ask Bernie Sanders how it was on his his ashram

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Speaker 1: when he lived out there. Apparently the guy didn't lift

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Speaker 1: a finger to work, which is what happens when you

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Speaker 1: end up living in a socialist collective like that. People

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Speaker 1: are really lazy, and since it's not going to benefit

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Speaker 1: them to bust their hump, they typically don't welcome to

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Speaker 1: communism and socialism as well. A method of political leadership

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Speaker 1: doesn't work, and rethinking the police department doesn't work either.

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Speaker 1: See literally every city that's tried it, including the city

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. Coming up at six fifty six, which means

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Speaker 1: we're coming up on the big picture with Jack Adden

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Speaker 1: subject truly affordable healthcare plus donovan'neil at seven thirty. Americans

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Speaker 1: per Prosperity is going to be diving on into the

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Speaker 1: thorny issue of speaking of thorny issues, property taxes that'll

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Speaker 1: take place at seven thirty. I sure hope you can stick.

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Speaker 4: Around today's tough headlines.

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Speaker 1: Coming up seven oh six at fifty five, Cara cd

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Speaker 1: He talks day sham Mony t I'm a sure wishing

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Speaker 1: everybody very happy Wednesday. Dot on Neo Americans for Prosperity.

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Speaker 1: Bottom of the hour on property taxes. Fast forward an hour.

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Speaker 1: Tom Claven with his book Running Deep, Bravery Survival and

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Speaker 1: the True Story of the Deadliest Submarine in World War

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Speaker 1: Two nonfiction book. Sounds like an amazing book. Tom will

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Speaker 1: be on in an hour. Judge and Paulatano on a

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Speaker 1: Trumpian headache. Lakida Cole joins the program at the end

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Speaker 1: of the eight o'clock hour. She's a charter committee Canada

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Speaker 1: for city council. Yes, I will ask her about police

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Speaker 1: chief threetsa Thiji. It is Wednesday. It is seven oh

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Speaker 1: now six. It's that time to get the big picture

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Speaker 1: with Jack Athan and my dear friend jack Aatherdan. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your brilliance every Wednesday at this time.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 9: Good morning, Brian and Joe and I hope everybody is

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Speaker 9: well here. Why in just a moment, up until now,

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Speaker 9: the Democrats' top three issues, actually there are only three

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Speaker 9: issues have been Donald Trump is hitler, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 9: on Putin's payroll, and most heinous. If you're a Hollywood celebrity,

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump is fat, to which Millennia would say, no,

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Speaker 9: my husband is just pleasingly plump and he cannot work.

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Speaker 9: You any day. We're beating Democrats on all those issues

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Speaker 9: and a few more little things like crime, securing our borders,

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Speaker 9: growing the economy, and world peace. But now Democrats may

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Speaker 9: have stumbled on a winning issue, even though it's a

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Speaker 9: problem they created themselves, affordable healthcare. Demos are using healthcare

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Speaker 9: as an excuse to shut down the government, and it'll

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Speaker 9: be a huge election issue Brian next year. So Republicans

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Speaker 9: had better not let President Trump down again the way

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Speaker 9: they did in his first term. A little history, that's

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Speaker 9: what we do. Once upon a time, basic health care

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Speaker 9: was affordable in the nineteen fifties when I wore a

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Speaker 9: Davy Crockett coonskin cap. Our family doctor charged fifteen bucks

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Speaker 9: a visit, and he made house calls. Yeah, most folks

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Speaker 9: did not have health insurance, but they could still pay

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Speaker 9: for all the usual kid operations. Tonsils happened, dectomy. Because

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Speaker 9: Washington had not yet destroyed free market competition, the push

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Speaker 9: for socialized medicine started during World War II. FDR had

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Speaker 9: imposed wage and price controls, and the war created an

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Speaker 9: enormous demand for the civilian employees who were still around

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Speaker 9: to get around paying them higher wages. Washington companies take

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Speaker 9: tax deductions for employee health insurance. That's why most people

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Speaker 9: still get health coverage at work. But because employees no

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Speaker 9: longer had to pay their own doctor's bills, they stopped

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Speaker 9: noticing what healthcare actually costs. The federal tax code was

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Speaker 9: an effect subsidizing health care costs for businesses and their employees,

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Speaker 9: though not for self employed people like my parents. Even worse,

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Speaker 9: the increased demand for subsidized healthcare sent costs rising at

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Speaker 9: a fever pitch. So to fix that crisis, which Washington

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Speaker 9: itself had created, the government as usual made things worse.

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Speaker 9: Congress next offered Medicare for the elderly and Medicaid for

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Speaker 9: the poor and infirm. Those programs have helped countless Americans.

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Speaker 9: Amesley and I are on Medicare. You will be soon too,

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Speaker 9: thanks j scries. Well, it's true.

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Speaker 1: You don't look at it.

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Speaker 9: It's true. But to the surprise of no one, unless

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Speaker 9: your healthcare included a lobotomy, budgets were both Medicare and

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Speaker 9: Medicaid soon rocketed beyond the estimates used to sell them

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Speaker 9: to taxpayers. As always, since it didn't have to compete

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Speaker 9: in a free marketplace, government had little incentive to control costs,

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Speaker 9: or even outright corruption. Instead, bureaucracies felt and they fed

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Speaker 9: on built in budget increases every year that outstripped inflation.

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Speaker 9: Rush Limba used to love talking about this baseline budgeting.

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Speaker 9: So did health providers, including physicians, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies.

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Speaker 9: But wait, it gets even worse than that. To make

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Speaker 9: health care affordable for everyone, the Affordable Care Act Obamacare

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Speaker 9: included a mandate requiring everyone to buy a policy that

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Speaker 9: qualified under the new law. Barack Obama had repeatedly promised

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Speaker 9: that if you liked your current health insurance, if you

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Speaker 9: liked your doctor, you could keep them.

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Speaker 1: But that was a lie.

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Speaker 9: As the architect of Obamacare, MIT economist Jonathan Krueber admitted,

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Speaker 9: the only insurance policies the government allowed under Obamacare had

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Speaker 9: to include a laundry list of liberal coverage, including abortion treatment,

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Speaker 9: and those requirements more than doubled Obamacare premiums. Barack Obama

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Speaker 9: didn't care, because even before he became president, Senator Obama

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Speaker 9: had said what he ultimately wanted, with single payers, socialized healthcare,

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Speaker 9: like the national healthcare they have in Britain and Canada.

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Speaker 9: The trouble is in not so great Britain, the rich

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Speaker 9: have their own healthcare system, and Canadians, as I saw

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Speaker 9: for five years working in Miami, they flocked to the

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Speaker 9: US to get quality care they cannot get back. Republicans

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Speaker 9: campaigned against this unaffordable Obamacare. In twenty sixteen. When they won,

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump told Congress to repeal and replace it with

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Speaker 9: a system that would bring down costs through free market competition.

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Speaker 9: But believe it or not, that didn't happen. The late

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Speaker 9: senator Republican Senator John McCain, who hated Trump, literally gave

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Speaker 9: a thumbs down on the Senate floor. The best Republicans

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Speaker 9: could do was to do away with the individual mandate,

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Speaker 9: and that was something. It meant you no longer had

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Speaker 9: to buy Obamacare, but that made the policies even more expensive,

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Speaker 9: and not just for low income people.

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Speaker 1: Brian.

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Speaker 9: Under Obama, Democrats had also expanded eligibility for Medicaid. What

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Speaker 9: had been a safety net for the poor became a

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Speaker 9: middle class entitlement. And you know who was one of

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Speaker 9: the first governor to support that, Ohio's own Republican, John Kasik,

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Speaker 9: who was no more conservative than most of the Rhinos

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Speaker 9: now running Columbus. The final straw came during COVID, when

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Speaker 9: Joe Biden's puppet masters pushed staggering health insurance subsidies. That's

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Speaker 9: what Democrats now want to extend. That's why they're shutting

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Speaker 9: down the government to this day, two years after even

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Speaker 9: Biden admitted the COVID emergency ended. And yes, Democrats also

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Speaker 9: want to keep covering illegals by reimbursing hospitals and state

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Speaker 9: Medicaid systems. Democrats insist that's not true. Once again, they're line.

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Speaker 9: Both Democrats and Rhino Republicans are under pressure to continue

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Speaker 9: subsidizing government health insurance. That pressure comes from their voters,

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Speaker 9: but also from Big Pharma and other medical providers. They

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Speaker 9: are among the politician's biggest owners. So here's the challenge, now, friends,

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Speaker 9: We've done a way with free market healthcare in order

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Speaker 9: to provide subsidies, but how far should this go. If

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Speaker 9: governments subsidized clothing, jeans and a T shirt would cost

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01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,799
Speaker 9: so much you'd need a subsidy to avoid wearing thig leaves.

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Speaker 9: Yet for most everyone in America, food and clothing are

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Speaker 9: affordable thanks to free market competition. Instead of socializing our

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Speaker 9: whole healthcare system in order to help the truly needy.

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Speaker 9: We should subsidize the truly needy and transition back to

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Speaker 9: the free market for everyone else. How I'm no expert,

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Speaker 9: but the Federalists Society, for one, wants workers rather than

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Speaker 9: their employers, to own their health policies, insurance policies that

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Speaker 9: would be portable across state lines, so they could follow

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Speaker 9: you if you move. Portability keeps insurance company from claiming

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Speaker 9: you have a pre existing condition and denying you coverage,

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Speaker 9: and it increases competition. The Federalist also wants to expand

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Speaker 9: health savings accounts HSA's. They allow tax free contributions and

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Speaker 9: withdrawals over the course of a lifetime. I also like

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Speaker 9: letting young healthy people by stripped down policies the kinyanity

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Speaker 9: of car perhaps to cover major expenses, including surgery. The

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Speaker 9: bottom line, America, I believe, should remain committed to providing

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Speaker 9: a safety net for citizens who cannot help themselves, the poor,

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Speaker 9: that disabled, and the elderly. Indeed, we'll also treat people

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Speaker 9: in hospital emergency rooms, but those emergency rooms cannot be

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Speaker 9: free health clinics for illegals. Full blown socialized medicine is

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Speaker 9: not the answer. As you mentioned, just a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 9: As we mentioned constantly, some socialism is never the answer.

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Speaker 9: It just leads to corruption and power grabs. So, in

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Speaker 9: response to the Zoran Mamdanis, the AOC's Chucky Schumer's the

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Speaker 9: Obama's Republicans better come up with a plan right now

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Speaker 9: while they're doing not much else for truly affordable healthcare,

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Speaker 9: or Democrats socialists may regain Congress in twenty twenty six

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01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 9: and our country will once again be flat on its back. Now,

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Speaker 9: you're a jurist, doctor, a doctor of law. What do

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01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:34,759
Speaker 9: you say, doctor Thomas?

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Speaker 1: You know he didn't call looking for an argument. Jack.

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Speaker 1: It's an unbelievably complicated situation. And I, of course I

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Speaker 1: remember when doctor Cassini, Gus Cassini the rest his soul

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01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: was my doctor, family's doctor, as friend of the family,

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01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: come over to the house. I remember getting my injections

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Speaker 1: in the living room of my house, Remember hiding under

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Speaker 1: the furniture, and I don't remember. You know, it was

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: just such a different world. I mean, I don't understand

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Speaker 1: it still under the furniture. Yeah, I just don't understand

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Speaker 1: how it got so complicated. I mean, some people point

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Speaker 1: to this idea that you know, providing tax incentives for

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Speaker 1: businesses to provide their employees with medical insurance took us

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Speaker 1: down this path. Of course, medical insurance companies have to

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Speaker 1: do actuarial analyses, they have to pay claims. It used

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Speaker 1: to be pre existing condition. If you had a pre

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Speaker 1: existing condition, you weren't covered. It's like you can't get

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01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: fire insurance if your house is already on fire. It

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01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. The idea of having to be

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Speaker 1: stuck with these massive medical bills was an incentive to

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Speaker 1: take on what used to be not too onerous burden

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Speaker 1: to get some form of medical coverage, like that catastrophic

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Speaker 1: policy we're talking about for young people. We used to

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Speaker 1: sell those all the taminos with an sol anthem BCBS.

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Speaker 1: And you know it wasn't very expensive, easily affordable monthly payment.

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Speaker 1: You're in a very low risk category as a young person.

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Speaker 1: Why would you want anything more than something that's going

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01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: to cover a massive hospital bill in the event you

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Speaker 1: got it into a serious accident or problem. Fine, we've

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Speaker 1: taken out flexibility and we've issued mandates and edicts. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Obamacare is filled with a bunch I mean a giant

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Speaker 1: policy that some like, for example, young person again, is

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Speaker 1: going to get all kinds of you know, coverage he

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Speaker 1: has to pay for that he's never going to use.

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Speaker 1: Does a twenty two year old young man need a

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01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: pregnancy insurance? No, of course not. But it's in there

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Speaker 1: at which causes the price of the policy to go up,

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Speaker 1: you know it, Jack, I don't know. Something suggests to me,

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Speaker 1: and here's a draconian concept. If you're left to your

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Speaker 1: own devices, would you take better care of yourself if

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01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: you knew that you were responsible for your future? If

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Speaker 1: you were interested in longevity? For example, some people pursue

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01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: a healthy life, but if you knew you were going

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Speaker 1: to be responsible for your medical bills, might you have

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01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: a sort of a greater interest in your diet, exercise,

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Speaker 1: you know, maintaining a healthy lifestyle. I think I would.

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Speaker 1: Is the idea that insurance is going to cover everything,

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01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: so screw it, there's a pill for everything, So I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to take care of myself. That's the kind

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Speaker 1: of world we live in. So I don't know something.

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01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: It seems to me like a disaster is going to

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Speaker 1: have to befall the health insurance concept. Generally, we're gonna

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01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: have to start like phoenix rising from the ashes. Jack

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Speaker 1: at this point, I.

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Speaker 9: Wish we could hand the microphone to Bobby Kennedy's junior.

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01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 9: A little nutting sometimes, but a great man. And yes,

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Speaker 9: we would have to take better care of ourselves. As

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Speaker 9: for pre existing conditions, we have to, I think, do

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01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 9: something for children who are born with birth defects. And

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01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 9: if you do allow portability, we won't have to worry

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01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 9: about having to be turned down if you get a

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01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 9: new job much less.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you're already insured, you were guaranteed issue and

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Speaker 1: moving forward and they couldn't deny you because you were

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Speaker 1: already covered when this disease state pops up. We can

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Speaker 1: manage that. And if you're born with a preexist or

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Speaker 1: you're born with a condition, you're entering into the world

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Speaker 1: with it. It's not like you duped an insurance company

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Speaker 1: and hid that condition from them and then obtained insurance

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Speaker 1: to get coverage. Completely different scenario. It should be able

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Speaker 1: to get insurance, yeah you have. How does an actuary

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Speaker 1: properly account for what claims exposure is going to be?

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01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 1: If you can walk in with a stage four cancer

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Speaker 1: diagnosis and then get insured for that and have all

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01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 1: the medical insurance covered for cancer diagnosis. You can't actually

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Speaker 1: account for that.

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Speaker 9: Well, let's move to to something that's good news that's

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01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 9: happening right now. There is so much that's happening now.

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Speaker 9: But on the health front, Trump, as we've heard, is

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Speaker 9: also lowering healthcare costs by pressuring big farmer companies and

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01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 9: smaller ones like Merk and Eli Lelly to build new

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Speaker 9: manufacturing plants here in America. That's good for national security,

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Speaker 9: it's good competition, it's good for employees. And he's also

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Speaker 9: threatening tariffs. They're controversial, but he is and he's getting

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Speaker 9: some results. Trump has gotten the British company, for example,

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Speaker 9: Astroxenica and others to charge Americans the same lower prices

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Speaker 9: that are paid by customers in other countries, the same

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Speaker 9: favored nation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, crisis.

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Speaker 9: I think he started talking about this in March, and

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Speaker 9: we're starting to see the fruits of that. So there's

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Speaker 9: movement on all fronts. But we've got to go ahead

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Speaker 9: and get some kind of a replacement. Got yeah for

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Speaker 9: the repealed mandate, at least of Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: Jack, love your conversations, love your analysis. Out of time.

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Speaker 1: Wish we could talk longer. Important subject matter clearly it's

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Speaker 1: keeping our government shutdown. Right now, Big Picture with Jack

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Speaker 1: Adan and every Wednesday seven oh five, Jack, God bless

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Speaker 1: you sir, and the best of love and health to

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Speaker 1: you in your better half. We'll talk again next week

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Speaker 1: seven twenty one. Right now, fifty five KR City Talk Station, donald'neil,

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Speaker 1: Americans were Prosperity on property that fifty five k the

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Speaker 1: Talk Station seven nine fifty five KR City Talk Station, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: one hour from now. Judge Ennenopoltana every wednesdayt least when

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Speaker 1: he's not out of town. He's back from town, so

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Speaker 1: we'll were talking to him about a trumpy and headache

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Speaker 1: subject matter is Colin the meantime, Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: fifty five KRC Morning Show from a Americans for Prosperity,

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Speaker 1: Donovan and Neil. Always good to having you on the show.

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Speaker 1: My friend got a little to updates on our property

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01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: tax situation here in the state of Ohio. What a

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Speaker 1: of my favorite topics.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got some good news. Legislation is moving and

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Speaker 4: it's not bad bills, Brian, We're not we're not growing government.

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Speaker 4: We might be shrinking it here.

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Speaker 7: So this is good.

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Speaker 4: It's good. Well, well, yesterday in the House Ways and

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Speaker 4: Means Committee, Well, wind this back a little bit. We

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Speaker 4: identified some priority legislation around property tax reform beginning of

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Speaker 4: this fall session two bills, House Bill one to eighty

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Speaker 4: six and House Bill three thirty five. Both of those

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Speaker 4: bills were voted out of the House Ways and Means

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Speaker 4: Committee in Columbus to yesterday with a bipartisan eleven to

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Speaker 4: one vote.

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Speaker 1: Wow accounts.

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Speaker 4: What these do is these, in short, tackle and address

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Speaker 4: the spikes in increases we've all seen, making some changes

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Speaker 4: in a couple of different ways, but address, at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day, Brian, the spikes that so many

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Speaker 4: people have seen that I think really have put us

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Speaker 4: in this property tax crisis. We're all trying to figure

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Speaker 4: our way.

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Speaker 1: Out of all right, let's break them down. What does

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01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: House Bill one eighty six do specifically that we are

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Speaker 1: now happy about it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what one eighty six does is it caps

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01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 4: spikes in school property tax to inflation while also giving

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Speaker 4: a retroactive credit. So we're going to wind the clock

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Speaker 4: back just a little bit here and say, hey, you know,

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01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 4: back I believe it is in twenty twenty three, back

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01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 4: a couple of years instead of allowing these increases to

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Speaker 4: occur where you had the double whammy of inflation and

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Speaker 4: massive property tax increases or property valuation increases resulting in

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Speaker 4: thirty forty fifty percent valuation going up right and seeing

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Speaker 4: your preases go up in an equivalent manner, we're going

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Speaker 4: to cap it to inflation so they don't get more

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Speaker 4: than what inflation would be. That provides that means we're

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Speaker 4: only seeing potentially if we go back to Bidenomics, Lord knows,

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01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 4: we don't need to go back there. But in that

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Speaker 4: same timeframe, instead of forty percent, we would have only

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Speaker 4: seen an eight or nine percent increase in taxes. Still

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Speaker 4: a lot Brian, but much much different in helping to

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Speaker 4: smooth out these christs. This this sort of effect we've

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Speaker 4: seen in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: So this prevention of sudden spikes to the rate of inflation,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to guess my bubble has been burst because

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Speaker 1: I was hoping that that would limit levees to the

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Speaker 1: rate of inflation. But that doesn't apply to a separate levee,

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Speaker 1: does it.

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Speaker 4: I believe it's I mean, it's property tax levees, so

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 1: If you got but that's not a valuations. That's not

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Speaker 1: a valuation generated spike. That's because voters say, Okay, I'll

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Speaker 1: go ahead and have my taxes increase and give the

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Speaker 1: schools more money. I'm kind of being cheeky here, man,

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Speaker 1: I just but at least one eight six gets us

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Speaker 1: out of the hell hole that will was created in

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Speaker 1: the aftermath of COVID when the valuations of homes went

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Speaker 1: through the roof and then we had the triannual evaluation.

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Speaker 1: That's we got our thirty percent plus increase.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and I think some of the things that

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Speaker 4: we want to see happen to address what you're talking

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Speaker 4: about there right, the levees going up, we did not

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Speaker 4: being addressed here, but we would say, hey, you should

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Speaker 4: actually have to have a larger amount of the vote

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Speaker 4: to get that done.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 4: You can't get that done off of a fifty plus

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Speaker 4: one majority. If you're going to increase everyone in your

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Speaker 4: community's taxes, you probably need to be more two thirds right,

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Speaker 4: three fifths majority. It needs to be a clear demand

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Speaker 4: signal from the voters that yes, we want to give

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Speaker 4: more of our money to the to the local political

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Speaker 4: subdivision asking for it. We're continue to work on that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that is something that's being discussed.

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Speaker 4: Then yeah, it's one of the an element of the

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Speaker 4: Truth and Taxation package of reform that would help empower

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Speaker 4: you know, put the put the power back of the

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Speaker 4: hands of the taxpayer rather than the political subdivisions where

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Speaker 4: so much of that power exists today.

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Speaker 1: All right, as in minitial responses, that sounds like a

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Speaker 1: pretty solid idea going forward. People are responsible for their

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Speaker 1: own destiny. If they want to increase their own taxes,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, but you know your neighbor may not be

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Speaker 1: in a position to cover that. And so the idea

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Speaker 1: of having a stronger number of people required to approve

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Speaker 1: a tax levy, I think that is a sound concept.

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Speaker 1: So fingers crossed it that one kind of moves forward.

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Speaker 1: House Bill three thirty five. This one also moved out

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Speaker 1: of committee. Was it a comparable eleven to one bipartisan vote? Surprisingly,

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01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: so it was holy who, I know.

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01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 4: Well, what this does is this tackles the inside millage,

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01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 4: and so I don't have to get two wonky on

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Speaker 4: a Wednesday morning, but every political there's ten mills of

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01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 4: property tax levied in every county, and that inside millage.

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01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 4: What this does is it ties that growth as well

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Speaker 4: to inflation, while also giving the ability like this for

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Speaker 4: voluntary reductions, and so the local governments can look around

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01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 4: and say, hey, actually we want to lower the amount

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Speaker 4: of money we're collecting off of inside millage to provide

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Speaker 4: relief to our taxpayers. And so most importantly though, it's

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01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 4: that inflationary right, tying things to inflation, rather than you know,

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01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 4: you didn't at a garage, You didn't you know, make

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01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 4: any major modifications to your house. You didn't go out

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01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 4: and like tap into that unrealized those unrealized gains that

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01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 4: your house's value has gone up. You're being taxed on it, right,

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01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 4: that's wrong, and we're gonna they're fixing that with House

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01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 4: Bill three thirty five.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, sounds like progress in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: When is it going to come up for a full vote?

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Speaker 1: And does it have the support of Governor Mike Dwine

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Speaker 1: who vetoed it vetoed some provisions in the budget which

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01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 1: would have addressed some of these property tax issues.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I think these sorts of ideas were included

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01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 4: in the Governor's Overall Study Committee. Right, everybody is sort

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01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 4: of a breed around these ideas, So I think this

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01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,879
Speaker 4: is universally accepted. It should get a vote this afternoon.

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01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 4: Both of these should get votes this afternoon during the

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Speaker 4: House session. Now it has to go to the Senate

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01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 4: receive a number of hearings, but all indications are that

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01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 4: this is especially with the bipartisan support. These are ideas

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01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 4: that are going to move fairly quickly and get to

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Speaker 4: the governor's desk. Eighty six is key because that will

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01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 4: provide a relief for folks on their second half year

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01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 4: tax bills. Oh oh, five hundred million dollars across the state.

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01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: Oh so some immediate relief.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I like that.

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01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 4: I like that.

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01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: All right, Well there's what you look I mean. I

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01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: guess you're not suggesting that this is in jeopardy, that

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01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 1: this isn't going to be a squeak or considering eleven

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01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: to one out of the committee. We don't need to

1647
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: call to action, to call up our elected officials and

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01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: columbus and demand that they vote in favor of this.

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01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: It looks like a foregun conclusion. If you had to

1650
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: read some tea leaves there. Donovan Brian was always about.

1651
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 4: Foot on the peddle here. We don't give up, just

1652
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 4: you don't slow down just because things are head.

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01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: In the director all right, email phone calls, some kind

1654
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 1: of outreach. Is it can't hurt, don Nell doesn't hurt?

1655
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: What what else are what what's the next step in

1656
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: property actual relief the AFP's looking for. Is it what

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01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: we just talked about or is there something else that

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01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: looks like it could be ready to be teed up

1659
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: to give us even further relief. Because I know there

1660
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 1: was like twenty or twenty five different action plan items

1661
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: that had been established ahead of the budget vote, but

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01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: also in this sort of post veto budget group that

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01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 1: the DWINE put together, well I hear.

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Speaker 4: I think there's like forty some plus different bills that

1665
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 4: are out there that that, you know, do some type

1666
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 4: of some type of reform. I think what we what

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01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 4: we want to continue to see is some of that

1668
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 4: truth and taxation stuff that I was talking about. Right,

1669
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 4: Let's make sure that the taxpayers are empowered with the

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01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 4: authority to you know, you got to get a you

1671
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 4: got to convince a large number of your tax base

1672
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 4: to support an increase. The other piece I think that

1673
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 4: continues to be talked about is surrounding county budget commissions

1674
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 4: and so this could provide a really important stopgap measure,

1675
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 4: local accountability measure comprised of your auditor, treasurer, another prosecutor,

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01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 4: depending on how it's set up to be that voice

1677
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 4: of the taxpayer. Those folks have Brian, a county wide

1678
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,680
Speaker 4: view of what's going on, right, rather than just being

1679
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 4: focused on a little village or a specific school district,

1680
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,560
Speaker 4: they're looking at the county at hole. And what I

1681
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 4: think that what we think that can do is really

1682
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 4: help provide another on the taxpayer. Say hey, you know, schools, cities,

1683
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:31,600
Speaker 4: town trips, you all are collecting all this money, how

1684
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 4: much of it do you actually need and what can

1685
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 4: you do to maybe adjust or not grow as much?

1686
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 4: Because it actually has an impact, right, Brian, High taxes

1687
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 4: have an impact on the economic health of a county.

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01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 4: So this County Budget Commission that already exists, that already

1689
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 4: does a lot of that. It just needs the authority

1690
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 4: really to be able to be able to say, no,

1691
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 4: you're not gonna you know, you're sitting on one hundred

1692
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 4: percent cash fund balance, You're flushed with cash. You just

1693
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 4: got another levee of proved you don't need more money.

1694
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 4: You don't need it. There's no real purpose, right, you're

1695
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 4: providing quality services that County Budget Commission. If we can

1696
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 4: empower and strengthen that further, and there's some ideas kicking

1697
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 4: around around that that would help address I think, more

1698
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 4: of those problems and keep it at a local level

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Speaker 4: rather than allowing the state to come in and intervene,

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Speaker 4: which is what some folks want. Let's keep it local

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01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 4: and that's what we can.

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Speaker 1: Do here with this all right call to action? Where

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01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 1: do you want my listeners to go for this and

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01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: other issues? Donald Reneil from Americans for Prosperity, Well.

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Speaker 4: Buckeye Blueprint dot Com. Go there, take action, sign up.

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01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 4: We've got chapters and action committees popping up all over

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Speaker 4: the state on this and many many other issues. Thank

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01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:41,600
Speaker 4: you brain has always for sharing your makeuphon with me

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Speaker 4: on Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 1: Happy to do it, Donovan, and God bless you and

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Speaker 1: Americans were prospering for the wonderful work that you're doing

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Speaker 1: each and every day. Everybody get involved. They make it

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01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 1: so easy. Buff Buckeye Blueprint dot Com. Donovan, we'll talk

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01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: next Wednesday, and I hope you bring some more news

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Speaker 1: a good news are way.

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Speaker 4: We'll do take care.

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Speaker 1: Thanks brother seven thirty nine. Right off that you five

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Speaker 1: KRCD talk station we got along with Donovan and Neil.

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Speaker 1: That's okay. We've got a few callers online. We're going

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Speaker 1: to start with Jennifer, Mary and Mississippi James.

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Speaker 11: Hang on.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully get you in this one, if not the next segment. Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: thanks for calling. Happy Wednesday.

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Speaker 13: Hi Brian, Gosh, I've missed you so much. I haven't

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01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 13: been able to get any of the the you know,

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01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 13: the luncheons. I was taking care of my mother with

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01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:24,679
Speaker 13: dementia for five years, and well that's okay. I promised

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01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 13: God when I was thirteen I would never put my

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Speaker 13: mom in a nursing home, and I kept my promise.

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01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 13: But anyway, I want to talk about these property taxes.

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01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 13: We lived not far from where you lived on Cleaves

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01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 13: Warsaw I grew up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I grew up on bow Moral.

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Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, I know exactly where you lived. But anyway,

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01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 13: our property taxes, Brian, are five thousand, three hundred dollars

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01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 13: a year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Our total income is forty two thousands. Oh okay, yeah,

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01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 13: and seventy five percent of our income goes to the

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Speaker 13: Oak Hills School District.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 13: That seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Hearing that, Jennifer, that that hurts. I mean, that's my

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01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: alma mater. I'm a bum day.

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01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:16,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we have to, Manny.

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Speaker 13: I mean, then we've got our house insurance, our car insurance,

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01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,560
Speaker 13: we've got the guests and electric if, we've got the

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01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:24,679
Speaker 13: water bills, and then we have to try to find,

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Speaker 13: you know, somewhere to put some food in there. Oh

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01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,719
Speaker 13: my lord, I mean it's terrible, Brian. When we moved

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Speaker 13: in this house forty years ago, our taxes were eight

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01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 13: hundred dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: Hold, I'm getting ready to use an expleto Jennifer.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, No, I don't want to lose my list them.

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01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 2: Several times, I'll have to pay.

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Speaker 1: A fine that'll exceed by a significant amount your tax bill. Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: All my word, see.

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Speaker 13: You, I'll fine.

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Speaker 1: You are the reason exactly the scenario we're talking about

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Speaker 1: why we need some desperate property tax relief.

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Speaker 13: Well, you know, I worry about the other people. I mean,

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Speaker 13: I'm seventy four years old now, and I worry about

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01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 13: the other people, the elderly people who's income maybe even

1764
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 13: less than ours, exactly, you know, and I worry about

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01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 13: them losing their condos or whatever they live in because

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01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 13: of these taxes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well one of the concepts that is floating around

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01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 1: and I kind of embrace it, although the devil maybe

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01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: in the details that I haven't thought of, but providing

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01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 1: seniors maybe with an income cap, like if you make

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01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 1: less than an X amount, then you're relieved of the

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01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 1: property tax obligation. Is the dollars that you don't pay

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01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: are placed as a lean on your property. So after

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Speaker 1: you die and your assets have been liquidated, that's when

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01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 1: the property tax is discharged. You don't have to think

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01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:48,560
Speaker 1: about it or worry about it for the balance of

1777
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,560
Speaker 1: your life, and you let your estate deal with it

1778
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 1: when you're gone. So that would provide you with relief. Now,

1779
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 1: it doesn't eradicate the bill, but eventually the state will

1780
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: get it and you'll be free of this insane burden

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01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 1: you're facing right now.

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Speaker 13: I mean, it's really terrible. I mean I never in

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01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 13: my life thought I'd have to go to the food bank.

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01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:12,560
Speaker 13: Oh my, and that's where my husband and I go

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01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 13: once a month.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer will all be praying for you, you know what,

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01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 1: Brian and.

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Speaker 13: I also have my daughter and my grandson that live

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01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 13: with us and my daughter's on disability.

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Speaker 1: Well, the longer this conversation goes, Jennifer, the more things

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01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: keep piling up.

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01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 4: I know.

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01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 13: But you know what, I've prayed my rosary forever forty years,

1794
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 13: every single day, and I know God's taking care of us.

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01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 13: With a little we have.

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01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 1: See you get strength, strength, and the worst of times.

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Speaker 13: Yes, And I don't think of myself as suffering or anything,

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01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 13: because I know somebody out there's got it worse.

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Speaker 1: That's a great way of approaching it, Jennifer, great way

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Speaker 1: of approaching it amid all the concerns and problems you've

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Speaker 1: been facing. God bless you, and I'll just courage my

1802
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 1: listeners to pray for you and everybody else who's in

1803
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 1: a comparable situation. This is why we need some reform

1804
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:08,440
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio, running headlong to a constitutional

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01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 1: amendment eradicating property tax. Just still dreaming about that day

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01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 1: and wondering how it's all going to shake out, Jennifer,

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01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 1: God bless you, don't go away. Seven forty seven fifty

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01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 1: five Care City Talk Station, Mary and James coming up

1809
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 1: net Carecy the talk station straight to the phones. I

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01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:23,799
Speaker 1: think we can get both callers in going to try anyway.

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Speaker 1: Mary's first, James, hang on, Mary, Welcome to the show.

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01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling.

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Speaker 14: Oh hi, Brian, thanks for taking my call. The reason

1814
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 14: I'm calling is I wonder, if I'm looking at this right,

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01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 14: why don't we talk more about how certain.

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01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 2: Like the Muslims.

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01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 14: I'm sorry if I'm saying this incorrectly, but they seem

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01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:48,759
Speaker 14: to be infiltrating government?

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01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 6: Is that?

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01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:50,600
Speaker 7: What is that?

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01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Isn't fact?

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01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 14: What is going on in England and.

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01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: Canada infiltrating government? I'm not quite sure where you're coming from.

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01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 1: We have no theocracy here in the United States of America.

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01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: We have a free exercise clause in the First Amendment.

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01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: We're allowed to exercise whatever religion we want. There is

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01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 1: no religious organization, or rather, there's no state church. So

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01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 1: any person who probably you know, runs a campaign and

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01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 1: convinces voters that they're the right choice, it shouldn't matter

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01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: what religion they are. They can't impose their religion on

1831
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: us because we have the free exercise in the United States.

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01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:26,560
Speaker 1: So I don't care what religion a person is. I

1833
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: just want them to do something sane for their constituents.

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01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 1: So what does Muslim happen. Then, yeah, there you are.

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01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 1: That's it. I don't care. Well, look, we're going to

1836
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: have vvak Ramaswammy as the as the next governor of

1837
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:41,560
Speaker 1: the state of Ohio. I'm thoroughly convinced of that. Not

1838
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 1: a Christian man, but he is blank and brilliant, he's

1839
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 1: got great ideas, he's obviously demonstrably successful. I'll take it.

1840
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter with you.

1841
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 6: I'm with you.

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01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 14: I'm not talking about the US. I'm asking about England.

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01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 1: Oh well, there that Well, you've just entered into the

1844
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 1: twilight zone when you're talking about the European Union or

1845
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 1: the UK. They do not have a constitution. They can

1846
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 1: limit the words that come out of your mouth. They

1847
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 1: have prior restraint on speech. So give you a list

1848
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: of words you can't speak. If you speak it, they

1849
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 1: can prosecute you. It's uh again, I'm leaning toward FCC

1850
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 1: non compliant language. Now, as I consider the reality of

1851
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: life in the UK, you don't want to go down

1852
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 1: that road. That's why we should just protect the Constitution

1853
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 1: with our very lives. Our founding fathers recognize that. That's

1854
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 1: why we've got the Bill of Rights. Mary, thank you

1855
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 1: very much Mississippi. James, welcome, my friend. Good to hear

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01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: from you.

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01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 7: Hey, good morning, Brian, come in peace, love everybody and

1858
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 7: there's nothing you can do about it.

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01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:48,879
Speaker 4: Good for you, James, Bryan.

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01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 15: I suggested a guy while I've talked to Joe about it,

1861
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 15: and maybe you could reach out to him as a guess.

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01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 15: He's a black six year with it in the Air

1863
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 15: Force for six years, a black guy from Mississippi, and

1864
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 15: he's conservative. He used to tour around with Charlie kirk

1865
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 15: Oh and he just have a good message out there

1866
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 15: that's in that balance that I always speak about, Sir.

1867
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 15: And matter of fact, what else? His name is Christopher

1868
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 15: Towns If any of the guests want to look him up.

1869
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 15: Christopher Townsend is his name. He's a positive rapper. Yeah

1870
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 15: on the positive music you go by the name Tofah

1871
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 15: Town and that's like top h e r the in

1872
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 15: town to be worth bringing to the audience. Listen to him.

1873
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 15: I think they'll enjoy him.

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01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 7: I enjoy the guy.

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01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 1: I'll take the recommendation James, the extent we can track

1876
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:52,679
Speaker 1: him down and get him on the show. I would

1877
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 1: welcome that opportunity. It's always I appreciate different messages, and

1878
01:43:57,400 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 1: of course if there is a black man out there

1879
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 1: that is expressing a conservative message, we don't run into

1880
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 1: that very often. If you've got someone like that that's

1881
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 1: got an audience and who's got followers spreading a conservative message,

1882
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, come on in. The water's warm and fine,

1883
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:13,120
Speaker 1: and you are welcome here on the fifty five KRS

1884
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 1: Morning Show. That's why I love hearing from you, James.

1885
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 1: Appreciate your message, and I appreciate you calling in from

1886
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 1: Mississippi seven fifty five, fifty five kr CD talk station.

1887
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 1: After the top of the air news, this is going

1888
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: to be a cool discussion the name of the book

1889
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 1: eight oh five a fifty five KRCD talk station. A

1890
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 1: very happy Wednesday to you. I have been looking forward

1891
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 1: to this moment in time since I got here in

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01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:36,600
Speaker 1: the morning show to find out that Tom Clavin is

1893
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:38,600
Speaker 1: on the rundown. He's joined the program right now to

1894
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 1: talk about his new book. By way of background, you

1895
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:43,679
Speaker 1: probably already know him, best selling author of twenty five

1896
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 1: Let Me Underscore the Word non fiction books on military history, sports,

1897
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 1: and entertainment. His writing career began in journalism as a

1898
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Speaker 1: Rover reporter for the New York Times fifteen years, as

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01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:57,679
Speaker 1: well as contribued in multiple national magazines, awarded numerous prizes

1900
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: by the Society of Professional Journalists National News Paper Association.

1901
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 1: His books multiple award winners, including six that made it

1902
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 1: to the New York Times Bestseller. He has written several screenplays,

1903
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: including a couple of his books that are currently being

1904
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: developed as screen projects. And I'm guessing, Tom Claven, welcome

1905
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 1: that this book we're talking about this morning is going

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01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 1: to be number three. I want to see a movie

1907
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: about this running deep bravery survival and the true story

1908
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: of the deadliest submarine in World War Two. Tom, it's

1909
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on the program.

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01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 7: Well, thank you for having me back on the show.

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01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:31,960
Speaker 7: And I agree it would make a terrific movie. Oh

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Speaker 7: my ripic story to begin.

1913
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Speaker 1: With, it's insane. And you know right now there is

1914
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Speaker 1: a man in my listening audience, a dear friend of mine,

1915
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Speaker 1: a career submariner, spent his entire career in the military

1916
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: and submarines, And Mike is out there sitting on the

1917
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:46,640
Speaker 1: edge of a seat. You've already sold one book, I

1918
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 1: assure you, Tom, And he knew about this boat. He

1919
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 1: knew about the Captain Richard Okaine, which is featured in

1920
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 1: the book. So let's dive on into it. You described

1921
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 1: this is the deadliest submarine in World War Two, so

1922
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 1: like like pilots get kills, and they can become you know,

1923
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 1: certain levels of pilots an ace. For example, this sub

1924
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 1: sunk more vessels than any of the other in the

1925
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Speaker 1: in the entire World War two.

1926
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Speaker 7: It did it did. It is the USS Tang, and

1927
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 7: it was the best attack submarine in the US had

1928
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,759
Speaker 7: in the Pacific theater, and it sank thirty three Japanese

1929
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 7: ships and would have sunk more except it ran into it,

1930
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 7: you know, ran into an entire convoy that was trying

1931
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 7: to take out. It proved to be a little too much,

1932
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Speaker 7: but the Tang was was the most recognized. And I'm

1933
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,679
Speaker 7: glad you mentioned about your friend who knew knows about

1934
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 7: Richard o'caine, because amongst some mariners there seems to be

1935
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 7: a recognition of Ocaine, and he's like the Navy equivalent

1936
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 7: of Audie Murphy. Yes, but to the general public, they don't.

1937
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:49,640
Speaker 7: They've never heard of the guy, which is which is

1938
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 7: a shame because he was great guite, the heroic character

1939
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 7: in World War Two.

1940
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I wait to you here. We'll get a

1941
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 1: brief little sliver of the excitement that these men uh

1942
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 1: were involved with on the submarine. But Mike wanted you

1943
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: and meet to know my listening audience is going to

1944
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 1: pass along. There was a street named after the tang

1945
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 1: in Groton, Connecticut at the submarine base, and the CEO there,

1946
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:14,560
Speaker 1: Richard Dick o'caine is also apparently they have a officers

1947
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: quarters named after him on the sub base, so everyone

1948
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 1: in the Navy knows who this guy is. Let's talk

1949
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 1: about some of the action they First off, what was

1950
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 1: life like in a World War two submarine. I can't

1951
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 1: imagine it was fun.

1952
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:31,919
Speaker 7: No, it wasn't. And in fact, you can only volunteer

1953
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 7: for submarine duty, you cannot be assigned to it because

1954
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 7: it was It was not only very cramped and very

1955
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 7: tight quarters. You're claustrophobic, you were sunk, you can say,

1956
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 7: but it was dangerous. It was you know, the mortality

1957
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 7: rate for a submarine sailor was six times that of

1958
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 7: a surface ship sailor, so that we lost fifty two

1959
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 7: boats was sunk during World War two, and so there

1960
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 7: was a lot of a lot of the navy guys,

1961
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 7: they say nothing to do with submarines, but they turned

1962
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:07,680
Speaker 7: out to be especially effective. And the tang was head

1963
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 7: and shoulders above the other submarines and being able to

1964
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,759
Speaker 7: hunt down and sink Japanese shipping.

1965
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 1: Well, you're right about psychological profile to serve on a submarine,

1966
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,600
Speaker 1: I personally would not pass that test. The idea of

1967
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:22,679
Speaker 1: it's less about claustrophobia, Tom, but the idea of depth

1968
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 1: charges exploding around you in any moment in time, you

1969
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 1: might implode and sink to the bottom of the sea,

1970
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:28,639
Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about here in a minute.

1971
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:30,679
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1972
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 7: They you could be bonds, you'd be sailing on the

1973
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 7: surface and a plane spots you. It could bother you.

1974
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 7: You can be under water and a depth charges like

1975
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 7: you said, could come and get you. There could be

1976
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 7: a malfunction. And the thing is when a submarine is

1977
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 7: in danger of sinking and it goes under the water,

1978
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 7: there's no way to go. I mean, one of the

1979
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 7: things about if you want to destroyer or a battleship

1980
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 7: or an aircraft carrier and it's damaged, you have the

1981
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 7: option of getting into a lifeboat or if you need

1982
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 7: to jump overboard and hold on to something. In a submarine,

1983
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 7: there's no jumping overboard, there's no there's no way out.

1984
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 7: So that's another reason why it was especially risky and

1985
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 7: tension film way of serving the Navy.

1986
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 1: Well, you go into great detail about this and then

1987
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: let's fast forward and obviously I don't want a huge

1988
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:17,920
Speaker 1: reveal on this, but it's so exciting conceptually that this

1989
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 1: is the this is the book selling moment right here

1990
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 1: at this moment in time, Tom claven. Let's fast forward

1991
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 1: to October twenty fourth, nineteen forty four, yes.

1992
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 7: Eighty one years ago, this Friday, and the Tang is

1993
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 7: in the Foremosa Strait, which is off the coast of China,

1994
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 7: and it encounters an entire Japanese convoy. Now, some submarines

1995
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,679
Speaker 7: were operated and packs one one submarine, but the tank

1996
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 7: was always a kind of a lone wolf. It was

1997
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 7: by itself. I saw this convoy, it couldn't let it

1998
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 7: pass pass through. So an attack that took out an

1999
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:52,679
Speaker 7: entire convoy. It was actually destroying it. When it fired

2000
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 7: its last torpedo, which boomerang came back and struck the Tang.

2001
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:57,640
Speaker 7: It sank to ared it game the rest of the

2002
01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 7: bottom a hundred and eighty feet. The captain, some of

2003
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 7: the crew members managed to survive. It's a really exciting

2004
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 7: sequence out of the boat.

2005
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a lot of process here. They were sunk

2006
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 1: by their own torpedo. I didn't even know that was

2007
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 1: a concept, Tom. I guess we're happy we have more

2008
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 1: modern technology that can't happen anymore.

2009
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 7: Well. One of the reveals I think of and running

2010
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 7: deep is how inadequate a lot of our torpedoes were.

2011
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:23,599
Speaker 7: I mean, when you watch a movie about World War

2012
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:26,639
Speaker 7: two and somebody fires a torpedo, it always hits the target,

2013
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:29,599
Speaker 7: but a lot of times too often, and World War

2014
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 7: to the reality was that that torpedoes would explode too early,

2015
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 7: they would be completely duds, and they can boomerang. They

2016
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 7: could the gyroscope would go crazy, and they would come

2017
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 7: around as in case of the tank, and strike the

2018
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:43,000
Speaker 7: tank in the stern. It sank stern first. A lot

2019
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 7: of the guys and the boat were killed, but some

2020
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 7: managed to escape and get to the surface where you know,

2021
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:50,559
Speaker 7: they went from the frying pan to the fire because

2022
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 7: they were rescued by Japanese sailors who weren't too happy

2023
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:55,960
Speaker 7: about the submarine that I just destroyed a lot of

2024
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 7: the shipping, No, I.

2025
01:50:57,040 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 1: Imagine not so they sink a hundred eighty feet down.

2026
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 1: Eighty seven total crew men were on this submarine, which

2027
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:07,680
Speaker 1: again I'm trying to struggle with the reality of the

2028
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:11,920
Speaker 1: living conditions in this tightest space with eighty seven but

2029
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 1: nine and manages to get to the surface. Can I

2030
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 1: just say, ask, real briefly, how in the how do

2031
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 1: you get from one hundred and eighty feet down in

2032
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 1: a sealed container to get to the surface.

2033
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 7: Well, you know, there are two or three the captain

2034
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 7: and a couple of guys were on the bridge. When

2035
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 7: the torpedo hits, they were thrown into the water, but

2036
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:32,560
Speaker 7: there were six others down below that. They had this

2037
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 7: device called the Bobson lung which was invented right before

2038
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 7: the war, which you put it on and it's sort

2039
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 7: of like it's not a scuba diving kind of thing,

2040
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 7: and so that's just a little inflatable thing. But the

2041
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 7: idea was they could give you enough oxygen to give

2042
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 7: you a chance to get to the surface, and so

2043
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 7: that's what these guys did. They put any Bobson lungs

2044
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 7: they got into this escape chamber, they were push down

2045
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:52,519
Speaker 7: into the water and they headed for the surface. Some

2046
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 7: made it, some did not.

2047
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:56,680
Speaker 1: Now I have to ask you, are these like parachutes?

2048
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:59,400
Speaker 1: Every of the every one of the eighty seven crewmen

2049
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 1: had one of the used to use.

2050
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,680
Speaker 7: Well, they were on board. Let's put it that way,

2051
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 7: life preservers. You didn't bother even thinking about them until

2052
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:09,080
Speaker 7: you absolutely absolutely needed them and hoped they would work.

2053
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 7: That was like one was issued to every sailor. Was

2054
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:15,520
Speaker 7: like hopefully in the escape chamber you'd find them available.

2055
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 1: All right. So when they make it to the top,

2056
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,680
Speaker 1: the remaining nine survivors and nine survivors, they were in

2057
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 1: fact captured by the Japanese in placed on what you

2058
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 1: described in the book as a torture camp.

2059
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, torture camp because they they were considered almost like

2060
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 7: terrorists because they preyed on civilian shipping, which you know,

2061
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 7: like the Japanese equivalent of the Verti Marine, and so

2062
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 7: they were in the brutal conditions very similar to what

2063
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 7: the book Unbroken. In fact, Louis Zamparini was the hero

2064
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 7: of the book Unbroken, was one of Captain o'caine's fellow

2065
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 7: officers at this particular torture camp, and Okine was a

2066
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:53,240
Speaker 7: particular target because once the once they found out he

2067
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 7: was the captain of the the submarine that destroyed more shipping,

2068
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,599
Speaker 7: more of their boats than any ships than any other submarine,

2069
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 7: they really had it out for him and he barely survived.

2070
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:04,920
Speaker 7: But the camp we liberated.

2071
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 1: Oh, I bet he was a target of some serious abuse, sir,

2072
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:12,519
Speaker 1: I truly believe. Oh yeah, well, and he did, I

2073
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 1: guess ultimately earn the highest award of the land, the

2074
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:19,600
Speaker 1: Medal of Honor, as well as other decorations. Was it

2075
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 1: for his service obviously on the Tang but it was

2076
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 1: because of this particular operation where they sunk so many

2077
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:28,759
Speaker 1: this Japanese fleet. Is that the basis for his receiving

2078
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:29,400
Speaker 1: the Medal of Honor.

2079
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 7: Well, I should point out that that Ritzie O'Kane was

2080
01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 7: like the Audie Murphy of the US Navy. He was

2081
01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:38,560
Speaker 7: the most decorated naval officer of World War Two. So

2082
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 7: he had already been recognized for his service for operating

2083
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 7: being the captain that this terrific effective submarine. But I

2084
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 7: think what got in the Medal of Honor was that

2085
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 7: during his captivity the torture camp. He endured, and he

2086
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 7: got his men to endure, and he got others to endure.

2087
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:57,680
Speaker 7: He was really an inspiration that he would basically, I

2088
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,799
Speaker 7: almost call this book undefeated. Was used to be defeated

2089
01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 7: by what the Japanese hold out to him, and I

2090
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 7: think that helped other people survive terrific conditions. So I

2091
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,200
Speaker 7: think the Middle of Honor was different for his survival

2092
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 7: and the survival of others.

2093
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:11,680
Speaker 1: Wow, and a great lesson to be learned for us

2094
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:13,760
Speaker 1: who struggle with you know, a fraction of the day

2095
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:16,520
Speaker 1: to day challenges that he struggled with. You know, inspiration

2096
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:18,800
Speaker 1: can be derived from a man who walked out of

2097
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 1: a torture camp at ninety pounds after being subjected to

2098
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 1: that abuse. That's truly, truly something be said, Tom Clay.

2099
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, did you have in doing

2100
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:30,799
Speaker 1: your research for this Did you have access to diaries

2101
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 1: or personal accounts by the people who served on the

2102
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 1: on the submarine. Where did you come up with the

2103
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 1: information to understand these day to day conditions and what

2104
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 1: they went through?

2105
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:44,440
Speaker 7: Well, I'm wanted to mention that because they the survivors

2106
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 7: of the tank got back to the United States and

2107
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:49,120
Speaker 7: what they recovered enough physically from their various injuries. They

2108
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 7: were all debriefed. And there's also all the histories at

2109
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:57,440
Speaker 7: the World Wars Who Center Museum in New Orleans. Richard

2110
01:54:57,480 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 7: o'caine years later, which has been very interesting, he wrote

2111
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 7: a book called Clear the Bridge about his experiences as

2112
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 7: a Tang captain, but he only devoted two pages to

2113
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:09,160
Speaker 7: his a year long incarceration that would torture camp like

2114
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 7: even years later, he couldn't he couldn't bear to write

2115
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 7: about it. There are other officers that kept diary, so yes,

2116
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,839
Speaker 7: there was, thankfully lucky for me, a lot of archivo

2117
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:18,840
Speaker 7: material to draw from.

2118
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:22,720
Speaker 1: How did I'd never heard of the Tang? Obviously didn't

2119
01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:25,080
Speaker 1: serve in the military, most notably Navy on a submarine

2120
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:27,720
Speaker 1: like Mike did. But how did you learn personally of

2121
01:55:27,960 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 1: the Tang? And Richard O'Kaine to write this book? Because

2122
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 1: this is yet another, as far as I know, untold

2123
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:38,280
Speaker 1: story coming out of World War Two. It's twenty twenty five.

2124
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 1: You'd think we'd have heard all of this by now, Tom.

2125
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:43,800
Speaker 7: Exactly, how could there still be a story we don't

2126
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:46,920
Speaker 7: know about? But again, I was researching something else and

2127
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Speaker 7: I stumbled upon a mention of Audio Murphy comparing him

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Speaker 7: to Richard O'Kaine because of being the most decorated officers,

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Speaker 7: I said, I've never heard of this guy. Most people

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Speaker 7: have heard of Audio Murphy because he went on to

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Speaker 7: become a Hollywood star and made movies right like that.

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Speaker 7: But Richard o'caine, who the heck is that? You know?

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Speaker 7: A guy whom bore in New Hampshire and he became

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Speaker 7: one of the most decorator offictory of the Maybe. So

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Speaker 7: that's how I sort of stumbled upon it. And it

2136
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Speaker 7: was one of those things where I just kept peeling

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01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 7: back layers and finding more information, and more information found

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Speaker 7: out about the Tang. How come nobody noticed it about

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Speaker 7: the Tang and the most effective submarine in World War Two?

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Speaker 7: So the more I learned, the more I realized, this

2141
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:25,120
Speaker 7: is just an incredible story, and thankfully it's not been told,

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Speaker 7: you know, for a mainstream audience until Running Deep.

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Speaker 1: That's why we have you, Tom Claven doing it time

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Speaker 1: after time after time. Twenty five non fiction books. I

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Speaker 1: guess does this make it twenty six or is this

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Speaker 1: number twenty five?

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm like Jack Benny, who had never got

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Speaker 7: past age thirty nine, I had twenty five books. That's

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Speaker 7: this my story. I'm sticking to it.

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Speaker 10: There you go.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on the winning of the New York Times bestseller.

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Speaker 1: Another one. We're going to talk about six New York

2153
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:55,360
Speaker 1: Times bestsellers. Everyone's going to want to get a copy

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01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:57,520
Speaker 1: of Running Deep Bravery Survival in the true story of

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Speaker 1: the deadliest submarine of World War Two. It's always a

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Speaker 1: pleasure talking when you keep up the great work. And

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Speaker 1: I know my listen is going to grab up a

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Speaker 1: copy of this. We've already got out of my blog

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Speaker 1: page at fifty five karosee dot com to make it

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Speaker 1: really easy for them to do that. It's a twenty

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Speaker 1: one year fifty five car seat talk station. I hope

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Speaker 1: you're having a really really decent Wednesday. Stick around. Judg

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Speaker 1: Ena Pulatano's going to be up next. I always enjoy

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Speaker 1: having him on it. I hope you enjoyed as much

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Speaker 1: as I do today. The column anyway, a Trumpian headache

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Speaker 1: talking about bombing narco terrorists or at least a leeged

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Speaker 1: narco terrorist in distant waters, because somehow they represent an

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Speaker 1: eminent threat to our security. Here, Listen, I know the

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01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 1: talking hands. I've heard people talk. I've heard elected officials

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Speaker 1: of talk. I've heard people have different points of view.

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Speaker 1: I just don't buy into it. I don't want drugs

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Speaker 1: in my country. I don't want drugs in my country.

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Speaker 1: But we live in a smaller and smaller world. Technology

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Speaker 1: is easier and easier to obtain and deadly. Techno is

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01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:02,920
Speaker 1: far more easy to obtain than it ever has been.

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Speaker 1: And we have crazy people that run the world. I'm

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Speaker 1: just I just always think of it. There but for

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Speaker 1: the grace of God, go I. We're the biggest, baddest

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Speaker 1: country on the block, unmatched American military, unmatched military strength.

2180
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Speaker 1: We have nuclear capabilities, for God's sake, submarines, the best,

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01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:27,400
Speaker 1: highest quality, most efficient effective weapons on the planet. We

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Speaker 1: don't really we aren't really concerned about Little Venezuela, you know,

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Speaker 1: declaring war on us, and that big existential threat to

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Speaker 1: some other nation might have. The size and scope of

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Speaker 1: our military is really what prevents other leaders, if I

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Speaker 1: can use that term loosely, from deciding, you know what,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's a terrorist, I'm gonna start dropping bombs on him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a point that can't be overlooked. But

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Speaker 1: if some other country was doing this, I wonder what

2190
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,080
Speaker 1: our reaction would be as a Americans, What the hell

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01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:04,120
Speaker 1: is going on? Most notably a country that may that

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Speaker 1: we don't agree with, pick China. China started launching missile

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01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:15,320
Speaker 1: strikes into different countries. Maybe China's upset that the fentanyl

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01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:18,280
Speaker 1: that they gave over to these Mexican cartels or Columbian

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01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 1: cartels or Venezuelan cartels is not making it to its

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Speaker 1: intended destination. They're attacking our shipments of goods. They're jeopardizing

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Speaker 1: the people with whom we do business. Maybe we'll launch

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Speaker 1: a drone strike and hit somebody. I don't know. It

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01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:35,600
Speaker 1: is complicated, but in the final analysis, we've got territorial waters.

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Speaker 1: And this is what it comes down to for me.

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Speaker 1: You know they're bad guys, Prove that they got drugs

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Speaker 1: in the boat, Prove they're narco terrorists. Wait till they

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01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 1: finally get here. And I do believe we have sufficient

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01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 1: technology if we can track them off the coast of Venezuela.

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01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:50,560
Speaker 1: We can see the boat, We've got video of it.

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01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 1: We can see the explosion blowing it up. We all

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01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:54,520
Speaker 1: can say we can also see that with a submarine.

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01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:57,960
Speaker 1: Oh they got a submarine had drugs in it, I hope.

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01:59:58,040 --> 02:00:00,760
Speaker 1: So anyway, well, if you can see over there, why

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Speaker 1: not just track it. Satellite technology, drone technology, whatever we

2211
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 1: use to track stuff and things all over this planet.

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Speaker 1: Follow the submarine and the minute it gets into us

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Speaker 1: territory of water, is just just unleash hell on them

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Speaker 1: with the coast guard. Pull them out of the water,

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Speaker 1: arrest them, grab the drugs, put them on full display,

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Speaker 1: try them, convict them and lock them up forever or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of the death penalty, This is

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Speaker 1: not me advocating for it, but maybe they should just

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Speaker 1: impose the death penalty for narco terrorists at least to

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Speaker 1: be a law in the book and to be some

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Speaker 1: sort of process that could prove in court that, yes,

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Speaker 1: without any hesitation, these are bad guys, convicted beyond a

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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt, and subject them to whatever penalty might apply

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Speaker 1: to them. It seems to me that did an equally

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Speaker 1: effective determent, we wouldn't have these swirling question marks floating

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Speaker 1: around about.

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Speaker 7: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: Were they really narco terrorist or do we believe the

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Speaker 1: Venezuelan government we just blew a fishing boat out of

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Speaker 1: the water. No, I don't believe Venezuelan government, but you

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02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 1: got to recognize that's certainly a possibility eight twenty five

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Speaker 1: Ify five cares for the toxication, Judge of Poultano, I

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Speaker 1: think on that coming up next, looking forward to that conversation,

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Speaker 1: I who you can stick around for it fifty five

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02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:18,800
Speaker 1: karc when you hear them a Trumpian headache, I enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: You know you and I are in the minority on

2237
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:22,520
Speaker 1: this issue, Judge of Paul Tuanto. I think you know that,

2238
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:22,960
Speaker 1: don't you.

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Speaker 16: I do, And it's such a head scratcher to me.

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Speaker 16: I even included in they're a paragraph that this has

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Speaker 16: nothing to do with Donald Trump, has nothing to do

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Speaker 16: with whether you like him or not. It has nothing

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02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:38,160
Speaker 16: to do with whether you think it's a maudible goal

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Speaker 16: or not.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 16: This has to do with the core American value, which

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Speaker 16: is due process of law, the very reason we fought

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Speaker 16: the American Revolution, the reason they wrote the Constitution, the

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Speaker 16: core of the Fifth Amendment consistently interpreted for two hundred

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Speaker 16: and fifty years to prevent what's happening right now. Even

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Speaker 16: the Nazi saboteurs who were caught in long Island and

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Speaker 16: Florida during World War Two. We're given a trial before execution.

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Speaker 1: No person shall be de private of liberty or property

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Speaker 1: without due process of law. Now, right now, there are

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people when I've heard this argument before,

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Speaker 1: you're honor, so I really want to dive right on

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Speaker 1: into it that are saying, Wait a second, it's the

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Speaker 1: United States Constitution. The Constitution provides protection of course and

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Speaker 1: liberties and freedoms to US citizens. We can't extend it

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Speaker 1: out to every human being in the world. That is

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Speaker 1: not your interpretation of no person shall be to private life,

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Speaker 1: liberty party, that's everybody.

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Speaker 16: Well, that's not my interpretation. That's the Supreme Court's interpretation.

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Speaker 16: The word is person, it's not Americans. I didn't put

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Speaker 16: this in the in the article, and of course I

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Speaker 16: won't his name, but I received an email from a

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Speaker 16: very well known retired admiral. I don't know if it's

2268
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Speaker 16: two stars or three stars, but it's the second or

2269
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:17,560
Speaker 16: third level up there who read a prior piece that

2270
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Speaker 16: I wrote about this before we knew about the two survivors.

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Speaker 16: The key to my piece this week is that there

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Speaker 16: are two survivors, which is the Trumpian headache because without

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Speaker 16: leaving their home countries, they can commence an action under

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Speaker 16: the Civil Rights Act for the use of official power

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02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:42,840
Speaker 16: to attempt to kill them and to kidnap them. The

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Speaker 16: admiral said to me, we stopped boats all the time.

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Speaker 16: We did so only when we had probable cause. We

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Speaker 16: never killed anybody. If there was probable cause. If we

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Speaker 16: found drugs, we seized the boat. We arrested the people,

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Speaker 16: we turn them over. The Coastguard have turned them over

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Speaker 16: to the Department of Justice. We don't know what happened

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02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:05,640
Speaker 16: to them. It wasn't our job, but we assume they

2283
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:10,760
Speaker 16: had a trial. If we had been ordered to kill people,

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Speaker 16: these stars on my shoulder would have been thrown on

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Speaker 16: the Secretary of Defense's desk.

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Speaker 1: Right, we need to stand as a higher, nobler country.

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Speaker 1: The idea of due process, for me, lends credibility to

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02:04:25,160 --> 02:04:28,360
Speaker 1: our actions. If there's going to be accountability by way

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Speaker 1: of punishment or even in certain cases. And I don't

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Speaker 1: believe in the death penalty Judge of Poloitano, but if

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Speaker 1: we're going to execute somebody, you're entitled to due process.

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Speaker 1: It sends a message to the world that we're not

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02:04:38,040 --> 02:04:40,680
Speaker 1: crazy We're not rogue. We're not just running around blowing

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Speaker 1: up every human being on the planet that we find

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Speaker 1: offence with. And you know, and to your point, as

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Speaker 1: I said earlier in the program, I've said before, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're seeing a submarine. It's fifteen hundred two thousand miles away.

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Speaker 1: You've got you've got video of it, you've got satellite

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02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:55,560
Speaker 1: tracking of it. Keep your eye on it until it

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Speaker 1: gets into US waters, and it's sending the coastguard, and

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Speaker 1: go through the process. So you just talked about we

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Speaker 1: don't have the death penalty for drug dealing here in

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Speaker 1: the United States, Your honor.

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Speaker 2: Right, right.

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Speaker 16: So you know, I don't know anything about these two survivors.

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Speaker 16: I don't know about their physical slash medical condition. I

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02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:19,960
Speaker 16: don't know if they are the type of people that

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Speaker 16: would file this complaint. But I do know that there

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Speaker 16: are civil rights lawyers trying to find them. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 16: because they need a real living plaintiff who has standing.

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Speaker 16: And from that story I told you I put in

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Speaker 16: there about Don war Alacki's father, where the judge says,

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Speaker 16: you know, sir, you don't have standing, there's no harm

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Speaker 16: to you. Your son would have standing. Of course, the

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Speaker 16: son was obliterated before he could.

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Speaker 4: Get to a federal court.

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Speaker 16: It is clear that these two people have standing to

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Speaker 16: bring an action against the government, and that would of

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Speaker 16: course litigate this, that would put before a federal judge.

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Speaker 16: Trump's claimed powers to to kill people in the High

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Speaker 16: seas if they can get these folks to become plaintiffs, right,

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Speaker 16: But this is the nightmare for the DOJ. I can

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Speaker 16: only imagine because they keep everything secret, that they had

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Speaker 16: a great debate about what do we do with these people?

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Speaker 16: The President says, they're drug dealers? Can we just let

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Speaker 16: them go? Do we have enough evidence to arrest them?

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Speaker 4: Do we have enough evidence to prosecute them?

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Speaker 16: These must have been the types of questions that the

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Speaker 16: DOJ was debating in the past week when they took

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Speaker 16: the safe course of repatriating them, because if they brought

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Speaker 16: them to the United States, well then there's no question

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Speaker 16: but that there'd be litigation.

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Speaker 1: I almost want to hasten to mention Guantanamo Bay. We

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Speaker 1: had some due process problems there too as well. We've

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Speaker 1: talked many times about the torture that went on there

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Speaker 1: and the problems associated with that. I guess I have

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Speaker 1: to ask you.

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Speaker 16: That Guantanamo Bay. How many trials have they had at

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Speaker 16: Guantanamo obey emanating from nine to eleven?

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Speaker 1: There you go zero, remember zero zero. What would the

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Speaker 1: form of the and I know there's a lawyer out

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Speaker 1: there that would love to find these guys. As you

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Speaker 1: pointed out, what would the nature of the claim against

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Speaker 1: the US government? Is it a civil rights violation? Do

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Speaker 1: process violation?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 16: Yes, Now normally this is a criminal case. Normally, a

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Speaker 16: government agent who used the force of law illegally to

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Speaker 16: attempt to kill somebody or to kidnap them would be

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Speaker 16: prosecuted by the DOJ. Obviously, the DOJ is not going

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Speaker 16: to prosecute the president or Pete Hegseeth or an admiral

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Speaker 16: or even a guy in a Navy jet that dropped

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Speaker 16: the bombs at the boat. So it would be a

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Speaker 16: civil case alleging the undercolor of law, the government tried

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Speaker 16: to kill them. You know, this wasn't Donald Trump with

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Speaker 16: a personal pistol. This was the government trying to kill them.

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Speaker 16: And then this was the government kidnapping them. This is

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Speaker 16: basically a Bivens case, Brian. Now the court has made

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Speaker 16: these Bivens cases. Bivens is a famous case from the

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Speaker 16: sixties in which a person was terribly beaten up in

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Speaker 16: their home, ransacked, and their freedom curtailed by federal agents

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Speaker 16: who never identified themselves. I never even acknowledged that they

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Speaker 16: work for the federal government. Bivens eventually succeeded. But these

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Speaker 16: types of cases suing the government for using the powers

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Speaker 16: of the law illegally to harm a person are not

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Speaker 16: favored by the courts and are difficult to prosecute.

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Speaker 8: But this is one that ought, in.

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Speaker 16: My view, to be aired because Congress is gutless. The

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Speaker 16: President intimidates everybody around him, and he can't just keep

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Speaker 16: killing people again.

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Speaker 1: You and I are not going to argue about this.

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Speaker 1: We have Congress from asses and Senator Ran Palmer's side anyway,

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Speaker 1: which I think gives us street credibility. Judge Napolitan, at

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Speaker 1: least a one of my listeners. They can feel free

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Speaker 1: to disagree, but expedience is no justification for tossing out

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Speaker 1: constitutional rights. I'll hang my hat on that all day.

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Speaker 1: Log Judge Enna Politano, beautiful, insightful article you wrote it

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Speaker 1: coming out tonight a Trumpian headache. I'm fortunate to get

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Speaker 1: enough earlier. Who's on the show today Judging Freedom. You're honor.

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Speaker 16: I have Aaron Monte, the Great Phil Giraldi, he is

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Speaker 16: the XCIA agent who told George W. Bush Saddam Hussein

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Speaker 16: does not have weapons of mass destruction and Bush threw

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Speaker 16: them out. And the Great Professor Jeffrey Sachs Phil on Venezuela,

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02:09:42,640 --> 02:09:49,400
Speaker 16: Aaron on Gaza, Professor Sachs on what's Israel's next move?

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Speaker 1: Well, interesting conversations. As always, I'll encourage my listeners to

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Speaker 1: check it out wherever they get their podcast Judging Freedom,

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Speaker 1: and always tune into fifty five Cassey Morning Show every

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Speaker 1: Wednesday at eight thirty Judge Edit A Paulo please to

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Speaker 1: welcome to the care sing show. Running for Cincinna City Council.

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Speaker 1: Guess what open voting? It's you can vote today if

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Speaker 1: you want, go to the Hamil County Board of Elections

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Speaker 1: cast to vote. It's early voting. We have until the

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Speaker 1: first Tuesday of November to get the vote cast. Don't

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Speaker 1: let it go your vote. Your vote is worth so

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Speaker 1: much in downtown Cincinnati, only twenty five maybe thirty percent

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Speaker 1: of we lucky you're going to vote, meaning you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of power in your vote and you might

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Speaker 1: want to consider Lakita Cole as a choice running as

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Speaker 1: a Charter Right candidate. Lakita Cole dot com.

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Speaker 4: L A k E t A.

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Speaker 1: Colecol dot com. Lakida Cole. It's great to have you

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Speaker 1: here on the fifty five KRC Morning Show.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, good morning, Good morning Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope people remember that you happy to do it.

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Speaker 1: You did serve as a city council member, You were

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Speaker 1: chief of staff, council aid, a state legislator, You held

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Speaker 1: senior roles within community a city administration. You obviously have

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02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:52,200
Speaker 1: a connection of familiarity with the system, so people can't

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Speaker 1: call you inexperience. Lakita. Let's jump right to police chief

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Speaker 1: threesa Thiji. She was put on administrative leave, and I

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Speaker 1: guess according to her lawyers, no reason whatsoever was cited.

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Speaker 1: They did not cite some sort of you know, problem

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Speaker 1: with her work experience. How she It's just it's a

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Speaker 1: big mystery. And her lawyer was out yesterday saying that

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Speaker 1: she can only be dismissed for cause because she's been

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Speaker 1: an employee for more than six months, so the city

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Speaker 1: charter prevents her from being let go. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know what her status is, whether she's been fired or

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Speaker 1: merely placing your own administrative leave crosses that barrier. But

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Speaker 1: this all seems to be very politically motivated as we

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Speaker 1: fast approached the November election day. What's your take on this,

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Speaker 1: Lakita Cole.

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Speaker 6: I definitely agree with that. And it's ridiculous because just

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Speaker 6: a month ago they the city manager and the mayor

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Speaker 6: was just praising her. So you know, a month later,

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Speaker 6: you're making her escapegoat. And you know, just the way

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Speaker 6: they're doing things is just chaotic, and it just shows

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Speaker 6: you that there's no real vision down there. There's no

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Speaker 6: you know, lack, there's a lack of urgency of what

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Speaker 6: to do. And you know, you know, you can't sem

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Speaker 6: out fire her because there is violence. There's no police

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Speaker 6: chief in this country can guarantee you that there's not

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Speaker 6: going to be violent, right, you know, And and it's

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Speaker 6: just it just tells you that there's so much dysfunction

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Speaker 6: going on down there. I mean, look what they did

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Speaker 6: with the fire chief. You know they're gonna have to

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Speaker 6: back cut on that. It's just it's just totally dysfunction

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Speaker 6: and chaotics. It just shows you that this, you know,

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Speaker 6: the mayor and the city manager. It seems like they

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Speaker 6: don't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: I think you summed it up quite nicely. They're lakida.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is almost the mirror image of what

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Speaker 1: they did to Uh to the to the fire chief.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of his case wrongfully terminated. He's

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Speaker 1: waiting to get a big check written by the taxpayers

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Speaker 1: of the City of Cincinnati. It looks like check number

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Speaker 1: two exactly. Yeah, check number two is coming.

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Speaker 4: Our way exactly.

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Speaker 6: Exactly. What's gonna happen with the police. With the police chief,

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Speaker 6: I'm like getting together. I mean, it's it's you got

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Speaker 6: news conferences. Like I said, just last month, you were

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Speaker 6: praising her right job. So now you put on you

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Speaker 6: you call her back in, so you changed her in

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Speaker 6: front of all the police chiefs. You know, this is

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Speaker 6: just not the way you handle things now.

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Speaker 1: But the nature of the role as police chief or

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Speaker 1: fire chief, as the case maybe, has changed dramatically since

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Speaker 1: Issue five passed. No longer do the members of the

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Speaker 1: unions of the police force choose their own police chief.

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Speaker 1: It's now in the hands of two people, the mayor

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Speaker 1: and the city manager. So they have a tremendous amount

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Speaker 1: of control and sway over the job because they're in

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Speaker 1: a position to fire someone. I guess they could make

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Speaker 1: up cause, but they could get easily rid of it.

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Speaker 1: So it's been suggested I heard it from the FOP president.

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Speaker 1: I've heard it from others that she was following the

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Speaker 1: directive of aftab Purval and the city manager. So she

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Speaker 1: did what they said, and in doing what they said

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Speaker 1: in terms of law enforcement, crime became a real problem.

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Speaker 1: So by following their directive, she ends up without a job,

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Speaker 1: or at least on administrative leave. I'm not quite sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I smell a rat here Lakeitera Cole.

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Speaker 6: I'm in total agreements with you, quite quick. Caducts is

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Speaker 6: a duck, quite quack. And this is why it's definitely

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Speaker 6: impairedive for what you said at the beginning. We have

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Speaker 6: to change what's going on down there. Not only then,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you, you know, we definitely need to

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Speaker 6: get a recall, a ballid initiative, a recall for the mayor,

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Speaker 6: a valid initiative. And it also shows you that this

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Speaker 6: function of what when we passed that the only person

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02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:31,760
Speaker 6: that can bring up the city manager for firing is

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Speaker 6: the mayor. I just don't think that that's will be

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02:14:34,480 --> 02:14:36,120
Speaker 6: the way it should go. I think there needs to

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Speaker 6: be something where maybe the supermajority can bring up the

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Speaker 6: city mayor ser.

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Speaker 2: Up as well.

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Speaker 6: But the have is in the hands of one person,

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Speaker 6: and especially when that person don't know what they're doing,

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02:14:47,200 --> 02:14:50,000
Speaker 6: and it's obvious because look what happened, Look what's going on.

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Speaker 6: I mean, never in the history have I ever heard

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02:14:53,080 --> 02:14:58,160
Speaker 6: you have to have eighteen thousand citizens from one neighborhood

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02:14:58,520 --> 02:15:02,520
Speaker 6: do a go forward a ballot initiative on an issue

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02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:05,360
Speaker 6: that you passed the council path. I'll tell you that

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02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:07,720
Speaker 6: this council is so dysfunctional.

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Speaker 1: Lakita, I can't believe. I'm so happy you brought that up,

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Speaker 1: because I was clearly going to ask you about Hyde Park,

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02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:14,840
Speaker 1: but also Bondhill. So I see your website and I

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02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:18,280
Speaker 1: love the way you've outlined your platform. C l E

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Speaker 1: see Community Council reformed, the oh oppose connected communities, zoning,

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02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:27,560
Speaker 1: one size fits all. You are not entitled to choose

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02:15:27,600 --> 02:15:30,320
Speaker 1: your own destiny any of the fifty two neighborhoods. I

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02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:32,920
Speaker 1: thought that was offensive. Clearly Hyde Park thought of defensive.

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02:15:32,920 --> 02:15:34,440
Speaker 1: We don't have to get a ballot initiative on which

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Speaker 1: made have to have pur ball pull the plug on

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02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:41,320
Speaker 1: the well connected development waiver to community to community connected communities.

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Speaker 1: Bondhill had a similar problem. I think every neighborhood should

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02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:46,120
Speaker 1: be able to control their own destiny when it comes

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Speaker 1: to housing and development.

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Speaker 6: I totally agree. Last Friday, you know I'm the vice

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Speaker 6: president of Bondhaim Community Council. Last Friday, I spent my

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Speaker 6: Friday evenings with the community count with our community trying

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02:15:58,920 --> 02:16:02,480
Speaker 6: to come up with some type of way that we

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02:16:02,600 --> 02:16:05,080
Speaker 6: can work through the of the day break issue and

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Speaker 6: get a benefit of agreement or something we can actually

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02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:11,240
Speaker 6: developer try to sell back. I mean, we should not

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02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:13,840
Speaker 6: be having him to spend on our Friday evenings doing

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02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:16,600
Speaker 6: this because of this city council and its administration just

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02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:21,000
Speaker 6: will not listen. Right, They are so dysfunctional, but yet

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02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:23,360
Speaker 6: they think they know what's going on, and they do not.

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Speaker 6: They are so disconnected. I wish I had a D

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Speaker 6: in my name so I can say disconnected.

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Speaker 1: You cracking me up, Lakita. All right, so we have

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Speaker 1: a crime problem. Obviously, I suppose if you were in charge,

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Speaker 1: would you have accepted all of the I wan underscore

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Speaker 1: this word free offer of assistance from governor to wine.

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Speaker 1: He offered Ohio State Police, Ohio State but you police

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Speaker 1: to work every day of the month, Mayor, I have

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02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:54,560
Speaker 1: to have provo. At first only took two days and

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02:16:54,640 --> 02:16:56,920
Speaker 1: now he's up to a total of four days. Crime

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02:16:57,040 --> 02:16:59,960
Speaker 1: is a twenty four to seven all month long problem. Lakda,

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Speaker 1: what would you recommend her? If you were in his position,

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02:17:02,760 --> 02:17:04,520
Speaker 1: would you have taken all the relief that the wine

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Speaker 1: was offering?

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Speaker 6: You know, no, because I'm gonna be honest with you.

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02:17:08,200 --> 02:17:10,440
Speaker 6: I'm fearful that they would be you know, we would

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02:17:10,440 --> 02:17:13,160
Speaker 6: be over police and they don't know our community. However,

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Speaker 6: what I would do, what I would make sure that

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Speaker 6: we have what we had before UNDERNA one of the

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Speaker 6: police sheets. We had those pockets of like community orient policing,

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Speaker 6: We had citizens on patrol, we had our community leaders

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Speaker 6: out there in those pockets where they were the crime

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02:17:31,879 --> 02:17:34,680
Speaker 6: was very high and up and that therefore people can

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02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:36,960
Speaker 6: pay attention what's going on. I don't believe that you

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02:17:37,080 --> 02:17:39,840
Speaker 6: make this school also the escapegoat about what's going on

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02:17:40,400 --> 02:17:42,560
Speaker 6: down the Frount Square. What you do is is when

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Speaker 6: I was in school, we had those Metro buses diverted

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Speaker 6: from away from downtown. In fact, what they did is

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Speaker 6: they brought the kids directly to the schools. That's what

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Speaker 6: they need, That's what needs to happen. You need to

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Speaker 6: work with the Metro and figure out a way having

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02:17:54,760 --> 02:17:56,960
Speaker 6: those kids go directly to the schools and not in

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02:17:57,040 --> 02:18:00,200
Speaker 6: diverted away from downtown. Never in my history of ever

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Speaker 6: sing Swat having to patrol Feutain Square, Swat patrolling Felon Square.

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Speaker 6: That is disfunctional at its highest level.

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Speaker 1: I understand, and obviously we have a growing problem with

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Speaker 1: young people in society, and I personally, look, kitty, you

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Speaker 1: can disagree with me if you want, that's fine. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's the consequence of the breakdown of the nuclear family.

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Speaker 1: I know, I don't know how you grow up. But

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Speaker 1: I had a curfew in the house, and if I

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Speaker 1: wasn't home by curfew and I didn't call ahead of

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Speaker 1: time saying I needed some extra time, I was in

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Speaker 1: for a world of hurt. My parents would be sitting

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Speaker 1: They're waiting for me to walk in the front door.

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Speaker 1: So I wasn't able to run a muck. Now if

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Speaker 1: we could, if if government could change the reality of

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Speaker 1: what's going on in any given household, fine, but you can't.

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Speaker 1: A teacher can't change the life that that child has

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Speaker 1: grown up with. As much as we wanted, they're overwhelmed

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Speaker 1: with a challenge. So I know you've you've got a

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Speaker 1: like reaching out ideas about listening to parents and talking

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Speaker 1: directly with youth. How come might we use that concept

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Speaker 1: to change what's going on with our young people?

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Speaker 6: Lakita Sure, yeah, So I have been out there talking

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Speaker 6: with the young people. I spend some time of the AGA,

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Speaker 6: and I spend some time with Woodward, and many of

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Speaker 6: those kids are saying they really just want an opportunity

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Speaker 6: more than just fast foods. And they also want a

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Speaker 6: place to go our recreation center. Because I said, well,

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02:19:15,560 --> 02:19:17,880
Speaker 6: what about our recreation centers? They don't feel like they're

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Speaker 6: inviting and the opening to them. Many of them say

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Speaker 6: that they go in, they can't come back out. They

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02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:24,760
Speaker 6: go in and they leave, they can't come back. If

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Speaker 6: they go to get something to eat, they can't come

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Speaker 6: back in. It's just not an open and welcoming environment

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Speaker 6: for them. So we have to make sure that if

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Speaker 6: we have these recreation centers in our communities, they open

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Speaker 6: to them to have somewhere for them to go. You're

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02:19:36,879 --> 02:19:39,720
Speaker 6: absolutely right. We can't police somebody inside their home. But

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Speaker 6: we can't do is demand some opportunities for these young people.

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Speaker 6: But demand, for example, you have the trades, you have apprenticeships.

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Speaker 6: These young kids are looking for an opportunity. They don't

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Speaker 6: want to just hang out. They don't want to just

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Speaker 6: have a fast food restaurant. They want more. They want

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Speaker 6: a career path, and that's what we need to have.

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Speaker 6: We need to bring back as I keep say CCY

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Speaker 6: and bring it in house, yes, and not have it

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Speaker 6: outside house. To have it in house well, we actually

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Speaker 6: can control of the milestones and making sure that it's

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Speaker 6: doing what it's supposed to do and if not, then

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Speaker 6: we change courses.

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Speaker 1: Trades are a great option for literally anybody. You can

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Speaker 1: earn what you learn, and artificial intelligence cannot take away

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02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:23,920
Speaker 1: a plumber's employment or electricians for that. For that example,

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Speaker 1: see Community council Reform, OH appose Connected Communities, zoning, l

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Speaker 1: listen to citizens in youth, e expand council transparency. Lakitacole

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Speaker 1: dot com. Read about her platform, learn about her and

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Speaker 1: it's open voting. You can go ahead and vote for Lakita.

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Speaker 1: If you like Lakida, best of luck, vote for Cole.

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Speaker 1: Go to the polls, vote for col I.

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Speaker 7: Love it.

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Speaker 1: Very nice conversation, say.

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Speaker 6: Vote look, look both smarter, vote for Charter.

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Speaker 1: There you go, and you got Steve good in the

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Speaker 1: midst too. We're all big fans of Steve Gooden as well.

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Speaker 1: Good luck Lakda, best of luck if you get elected,

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Speaker 1: bring about some post that have changed for the city

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Speaker 1: that we all love.

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Speaker 6: I will thank you, thank you.

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