1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk Bengals. A week that's included a statement from 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Mike Brown, Zach's declaration his coaching staff expected to return, 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: and tomorrow's much anticipated Duke tob A news conference. My Guest, 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Next Guest covering it all for Local twelve, Local twelve 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: dot com. That must mean we're welcoming in skinny, Richard Skinner, 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: How are you? 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 2: I'm good? Lance are you? 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm well? I'm curious. What do you make you've been 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: You've been around the Bengals and covering the Bengals for 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: years and decades. What do you make of Duke deciding 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: to talk tomorrow. 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: I think it was a decision that was probably made 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: above him, and they just said, hey, man, you're gonna 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: have to go answer for some of the stuff because 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: Zach Taylor gets asked a lot of questions about personnel, 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: and a lot of times Zach, in fairness, the first 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: to that's a question for Duke and Mike. Petralia famously 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago said well, we don't get 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: yest talk to Duke, and Zach's comeback was, well, I'm 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: sorry for that. It was one of the great Tay 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: tayes I've seen in a long time in a press conference. 22 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: And that was Zach being you know, you know, nasty. 23 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: It was I think he was taken aback by Mike's response. 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: It was great because we requested Duke a bunch uh 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: and I get a lot of a lot of general 26 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: managers in the league don't talk on a regular basis, 27 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: and we're not asking for a regular basis. We asked 28 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: a bye week, which seemed like a perfect time when 29 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: you're sitting at three and five and on the cuspop 30 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: of not making the playoffs. As things progressed, it seemed 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 2: like a perfect time and this felt like a perfect time. 32 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: And we asked last week as a group and they capitulated, 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: and credit to them for doing so, because I think 34 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: this isn't everybodys looking at it is like, this is 35 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: our press conference, This is Duke's press conference. This is 36 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: Duke's chance to answer questions that you, as a fan 37 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: want to know. You know, I know people are gonna go, well, 38 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: you should be fired. What do you think we're gonna answer? No, 39 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: that's not gonna happen. I mean, one of my one 40 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: of my favorites was there was there was a reporter 41 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: that came in from a stony years ago and he 42 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: joked at one guy in his country when I came 43 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: in to do a story on Marcus Hunt, and he 44 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: famously told the story of I think it was a 45 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: hockey team, the Stony hockey team, where reporter walked up 46 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: with us with his tape recorder and simply said, you're 47 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: a disgrace. Please respect, Please respond. No, we're not. We're 48 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 2: not going there with this. There's a level of respect, 49 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 2: but there have to be some tough questions to ask. 50 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: We've all talked to the group about you know, how 51 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: to ask them and what to ask and make sure 52 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: we all get the i's dotted and teased cross and 53 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: hopefully it comes across that way and hopefully Duke. Hopefully 54 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: Duke responds that way. He doesn't come out with with 55 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 2: with dis the blazing and he could he could just 56 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: shut everything down and go I'm a genius and you 57 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: guys are idiots and don't ask me questions. I don't 58 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: think that's gonna happen, Skinny. 59 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: Is there something or things in particular you're most curious 60 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: to hear him address? 61 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, two things. One does the buck literally stop with 62 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: him on draft night? I think it does. I think 63 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: we all believe it does. Does it stop with Mike? 64 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: Does it stop with Paul Brown? You know, Paul Brown, 65 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: the grandson of or Mike brown son and grandson of 66 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: Paul Brown. To stop with him, to stop with the 67 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: coaching staff. I mean, somebody has to make that answer 68 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: on draft night, right Like I'm making the call. You 69 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: guys can all give your opinions, but here's the call, 70 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: and I'm making the call on this. We don't have 71 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: to all be in agreement, but I'm making the call. 72 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: Who makes that call? And then I'm a big believer 73 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: of if you ask to do this, why do you 74 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: believe you're the guy to get this team out of 75 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: the whole personnel wise and fix this roster? It hasn't 76 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: worked the last three off seasons. And that's a long 77 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: time in the NFL. I mean, John Harbaut just got 78 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: fired after one bad year and it was probably time. 79 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: I mean, things run its course. We know that lace 80 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: things run its course, but he's borderline a Hall of 81 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: fame coach, and the Ravens said, Yep, this is not acceptable. 82 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: You're gone, and so why should you get a fourth 83 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: off season? Duke Tobin to fix this roster. What makes 84 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: you think you're gonna do it? Comment from Mike the 85 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: other day to State where he said, we're gonna and 86 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing completely here, but we're gonna look at all avenues, 87 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: uh to to you know, how we do business, how 88 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: we do things? All right? Does that mean you're gonna 89 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: change the way you scout? Does that mean you're gonna 90 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: change the way you evaluate? Are you going to suddenly go, yeah, 91 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 2: We're gonna do production over traits? Trades over production hasn't worked. 92 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: Let's do production over traits. Is that a case? Is it? 93 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: We're gonna add more scouts? I'm interested. I'm fully interested 94 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: in that. I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna 95 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: look at all things in your organization to make things better, 96 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: a few more eyeballs wouldn't hurt. Now. We talked to 97 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 2: Duke at the combine. He said, no, I'm good. I 98 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: got enough voices, I got enough people to see things. 99 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 2: Do you though, I mean, honestly, do you because it 100 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: hasn't worked for the last few years, and in this 101 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: day and age where things changed constantly in every business 102 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: in our business, right like twenty years ago. Twitter wasn't 103 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: a thing, and Facebook wasn't a thing, and TikTok wasn't 104 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: a thing, and you know all these things. You know, 105 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: blogs weren't a big thing. They were a little bit 106 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: of a thing, and they were a big thing. Uh 107 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: you tube wasn't a thing. For the most part, things 108 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: change and evolved. Can you guys change and evolve too? 109 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: And how do you do it? 110 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: If there's one thing working in their favor this offseason? 111 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: It's obvious that their needs are mostly centered on one 112 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: side of the ball, on the defensive side. Is is 113 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: the defense fixable in one off season? 114 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: It wasn't twenty twenty one, right, I mean you brought 115 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: in Mike Kilton, you brought in cheetoh Chi. You might 116 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: have come the year before them excuse me, Cray Anderson came. 117 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: I mean it was a little bit fixable and they 118 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: did it. Now can you do that again with the 119 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: money you have? I think you can. So you have 120 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 2: about five or six spots you probably have to fix. 121 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: That seems like a lot, But can you fix four 122 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: or five of those? I think you can. You can 123 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: do it through free agency and the draft. 124 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: If you do it right, it's getting other are there 125 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: contract extensions that you consider to be layups that should 126 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: be on the table this offseat, is it? 127 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't a good way ups because they're always 128 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 2: you know, contentious, right. Uh, you know DJ Turner should 129 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: be extended, dak So should be extended. I did a 130 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: story today on all the all the current free agency 131 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: the Bengals have. What do you do with Joseph Osai? 132 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: What do you do with Cam Taylor Britt? What do 133 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: you do with Believe it or not? Geno Stone? I mean, 134 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: it's not like you've got a pleasure of safeties at 135 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: the moment. Do you look to go, hey, Gino, let's 136 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: sign you for one year proven deal as a backup, 137 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 2: not as a starter. Don't get me wrong. He can't 138 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: be a starter by any stretching imagination. You have to 139 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: either go through free agency or the draft to fix 140 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: that spot. You know, Joe Flacco, you have a bunch 141 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: of free agents you have to think about too. 142 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: Uh. 143 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: But yeah it can't. Yeah, I think it can, but 144 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: you have to be really judicious with everything you do. 145 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: Is the Trey Hendrickson story, uh finished here? 146 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: And I think it has to be. I mean I 147 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: even wrote because he was one of the free agents obviously, right, 148 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: So I addressed that top of the top of the line, excusing, 149 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: you're not gonna franchise tag if it's twenty six and 150 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: some change, and probably gonna be higher than that. But 151 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: that's where the franchise tag number is the moment that's 152 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: too steep for a guy who just had major surgery, 153 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: who is has just already. He turned thirty one in December, 154 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: so he's gonna turn thirty two into next season late 155 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: and the next season, but he's gonna turn thirty two. 156 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: Didn't have great production. Twenty six mil for a guy 157 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: like that is extraordinarily steep. Do you let him test 158 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: the market? Maybe the market doesn't respond to him the 159 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 2: way he thinks to smile, like, hey man, when I'm healthy, 160 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: I'm a starter. Whos gonna get you sixteen sacks, seventeen sacks, 161 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: fifteen sacks. Maybe the rest of the murder goes, No, 162 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: you're not. You're thirty one goaler in the thirty two 163 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: coming off major surgery. You didn't produce a whole lot 164 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: this past year. No you're not. And at that point 165 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: maybe he does. But it feels like there was so 166 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: much animosity between both sides last offseason. It just doesn't 167 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: seem salvageable or fixable. I think the the more realistic 168 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: possibility is the Joseph Osaide situation, where you go, all right, man, 169 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: go test the market. If you get start money. We 170 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: are not We're not gonna respond to sort big time 171 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: starter money. But if it's what we did last year, 172 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: one year, six and a half mil, we'll bring you back. 173 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: But yeah, Trey, it feels like that ship is sailed. 174 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: He is Richard Skinner from Local twelve or T minus, 175 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: eighteen hours and fifteen minutes away from Duke Tobin talking 176 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: tomorrow afternoon. You're going to be all over it for 177 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: reaction to listeners how they can read watch follow along? 178 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, follow me on Twitter at Local twelve skinny and 179 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: at Local twelve dot com, Slash Sports slash Bengals. It's 180 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: five no offense. I mean, you guys have run on 181 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: your sister station a bunch of promotions for this, this 182 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 2: epic press conference. I hope we make it epic. I 183 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: hope people are not disappointed. But it's been I've listened 184 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: to the soflows. I'm like, wow, is this like a 185 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: president speaking about some national tragedy? Or just a is 186 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: a practial general manager talking about a football team. But 187 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: I get it. Man, Hey, I'd promote the crap out 188 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: of a lance. 189 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: I would too, Skinny, you're a good man. Good catching up. 190 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: Thank you? 191 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: All right, particularly all right, there you go, Richard Skinner 192 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: Local twelve, Local twelve dot com. Let's take a time 193 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: out of continue big night. Last night history made biggest, 194 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: the highest ranked win in program history for the UC women. 195 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: I was there with Kelly. We checked it out last night. 196 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: We'll talk with head coach Katrino Meriweather about it as 197 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: we roll on with RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by 198 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW