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Speaker 2: the voice of both Dan Horde jumps in this morning
Speaker 2: on the Big One. Danny, It's been a interesting week,
Speaker 2: to say the least, sports wise. I let me begin
Speaker 2: real quick. I'm gonna put you on the spot, as
Speaker 2: I usually do. Your take on this NBA scandal.
Speaker 3: Well, obviously surprised by some of the people that are involved,
Speaker 3: most notably Portland's head coach Shauncey Billups. But when you
Speaker 3: embrace gambling to the extent that professional sports leagues have,
Speaker 3: it seemed inevitable to me that at some point something
Speaker 3: like this was going to happen. So in that sense,
Speaker 3: I can't say that I'm shocked.
Speaker 2: What strikes me is the stupidity of the bets that
Speaker 2: were being placed. Because we know, you know, if you're
Speaker 2: a professional gaveing, you know they monitor all these algorithms,
Speaker 2: watching social media, doing all this stuff is Remember the
Speaker 2: scandal that sort of involved you see Bearcat Baseball team
Speaker 2: of the guy from was It Alabama was betting on
Speaker 2: Alabama and put like one hundred thousand dollars down to
Speaker 2: sports book ATA. You know they're gonna flag that. They're
Speaker 2: going to see that instantly. Now, the X ray poker tables,
Speaker 2: that's a different story. I got to go to Watson's
Speaker 2: to give me an X ray poker table. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: That was incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically face down cards can be seen. Wow
Speaker 3: with an X ray table. I remember the X ray
Speaker 3: glasses in the back of comic book. When I was
Speaker 3: a kid, I never sprung for a pair. They always
Speaker 3: looked intriguing.
Speaker 2: If I were sitting at a table, my concern would
Speaker 2: be cut in the game and it'd be like, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, you had an X ray device on where
Speaker 2: I'm sitting near my crotch for how many hours? That's
Speaker 2: a real problem. That's a different problem anyway. Uh, that's
Speaker 2: the stuff I worry about. Let's pivot to. Let's start
Speaker 2: with you see this morning break it up simply because
Speaker 2: you've got to give them love there on a heater,
Speaker 2: like we haven't seen in a long time. Good for
Speaker 2: Sadderfield because he's been in a hot seat. Let's face it,
Speaker 2: look in a rip bof a seventh straight win. They
Speaker 2: dismantled the Cowboys in front of shirtless students with Arguably
Speaker 2: it was one of the coolest college football things I've
Speaker 2: seen because they were getting pounded and the students were
Speaker 2: still going nuts with their shirt off shirts off. Bearcats
Speaker 2: sit at number twenty one in the AP their bowl
Speaker 2: eligible now early on in this thing, and they got
Speaker 2: homecoming against Baylor at four o'clock and you on the call.
Speaker 3: Great opportunity for Cincinnati to keep moving toward possibly playing
Speaker 3: in the Big Twelve Championship game at the end of
Speaker 3: the year. In Dallas, they've got five games left in
Speaker 3: the regular season. Three of the five are at home,
Speaker 3: which is good, including tomorrow's four o'clock homecoming game. If
Speaker 3: you go into the brand new palatial UC indoor practice facility,
Speaker 3: there are TV monitors on the wall that list their
Speaker 3: fourteen goals and the fourth and final thing listed is
Speaker 3: simply one word, Dallas. That's what they've been focused on,
Speaker 3: trying to get to the Big twelve Championship game in Dallas.
Speaker 3: It seems far fetched to many at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the year. Cincinnati, certainly outside of this area, is not
Speaker 3: expected to compete for the Big Twelve title. But they're legit.
Speaker 3: This is not fluky. They've got a great offense, They've
Speaker 3: got an opportunistic defense. Be nice to see the defense
Speaker 3: get off the field a little bit more frequently on
Speaker 3: third and fourth down. But having said that, it's a
Speaker 3: legitimately good team and it should be a great game
Speaker 3: tomorrow because Baylor scores a ton of points, so it
Speaker 3: could you shoot out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they average like over thirty six points per game.
Speaker 2: There could be a challenge for the for the SINCD.
Speaker 4: No doubt.
Speaker 3: Baylor's quarterback Sawyer Robertson leads the nation in passing yards.
Speaker 3: He's tied for first and touchdown passes. Now, their defense
Speaker 3: has really struggled. They're giving up more than thirty points
Speaker 3: a game. So I would expect Cincinnati's offense to be
Speaker 3: able to go up and down the field, but defense
Speaker 3: is going to have to get some stops for the
Speaker 3: Bearcats to pull it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with Brandon Sorosby, of course, it just feels
Speaker 2: like he's going to be a you know, fifty two
Speaker 2: to forty two shootout. It's got it has a feel.
Speaker 3: All over, maybe not quite that high.
Speaker 2: I'm going that high. I love the score. I'm a
Speaker 2: freak for the touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, they've had a couple of games this
Speaker 3: year where both teams scored in the thirties. They beat
Speaker 3: Kansas thirty seven thirty four. They beat Iowa State thirty
Speaker 3: eight to thirty. I wouldn't be surprised if it's something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So that is tomorrow homecoming at the
Speaker 2: Universe Cincinnati. Tony Pike getting entered in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: which is pretty cool to see pikeer doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tremendous weekend for my broadcast partners. Tony
Speaker 3: Pike goes into the UC Hall of Fame tonight, that
Speaker 3: ceremony is tonight, and of course Laugh goes into the
Speaker 3: Bengals Ring of Honor on Sunday at halftime with Leap
Speaker 3: and Lamar Parish. So I'm a crier sloany about these things.
Speaker 3: So if you hear me get choked up on either broadcast,
Speaker 3: you'll know what that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're a good guy and you deserve now
Speaker 2: and and your day is I think at some point,
Speaker 2: I mean you're ready to U see, Hey, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be the Ring you honor next year. I'm voting Dan
Speaker 2: Hord Ring of Honor twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: I am not eligible and I do not belong that
Speaker 3: should be reserved for former players, coaches, or the guy
Speaker 3: who started the franchise, Paul Brown. Aside from that, I
Speaker 3: don't think any other name should be up on in
Speaker 3: the ring a bock.
Speaker 2: Let's jump to that game on Sunday, on Dave Lapham Day.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the three and four Bengals six and
Speaker 2: a half point favorites over the hapless Jets are to seven.
Speaker 2: But a coach will tell you, look, there's anything no
Speaker 2: more dangerous team than ANH to seven club. That said, Dan,
Speaker 2: it's just what the injuries I have. I don't know
Speaker 2: how the Jets pull this off. I really don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bless the injuries for me than it is the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: So Justin Fields and Tyrod Taylor are not about to
Speaker 3: be confused with Montana Marino and Uniteds or Flaco. Justin
Speaker 3: Fields has been or Flackoor. Justin Fields has been dreadful.
Speaker 3: They switched to Tyrod Taylor at halftime of their lost
Speaker 3: last week. Neither quarterback led the team to a touchdown.
Speaker 3: Their owner, Woody Johnson, blasted Justin Fields earlier this week,
Speaker 3: basically defending his coach by saying how lousy his quarterback is.
Speaker 3: So that's atypical for an NFL owner to do that.
Speaker 3: So the quarterback play has been bad. I do think
Speaker 3: their defense is good. They've only given up thirteen points
Speaker 3: in each of the last two games, so it might
Speaker 3: be difficult for the Bengals to put a big offensive.
Speaker 4: Number on the board.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't expect either of those quarterbacks to lead.
Speaker 4: The Jets to a bunch of points. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mentioned the injuries, and we're kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: a homecoming if you will, on homecoming weekend for Sauce
Speaker 2: Gardner doesn't look like he's going. He's got a concussion
Speaker 2: and you may recall I think it was twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: I believe, and he single handedly shut down the Chase
Speaker 2: in Higgins.
Speaker 3: He's one of the best corners in the NFL. He's
Speaker 3: being paid like he got a huge extension prior to
Speaker 3: this season, and we all know what he's capable of
Speaker 3: from his tremendous career at uc SO. Yes, that is
Speaker 3: a gigantic loss for the Jets as they try to
Speaker 3: contend with Flacco' Higgins Chase at C.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a problem. And then on the other side
Speaker 2: of the ball for them, I mentioned the injuries. Garrett
Speaker 2: Wilson has the knee. More than one in four completions
Speaker 2: have gone his way. He's twenty fifth in receivers in
Speaker 2: the league right now as a first rounder out of
Speaker 2: the Ohio date. But is he going to be interacted?
Speaker 2: We know yet, I think out.
Speaker 3: According to a Rich Samini, who covers the Jets for ESPN,
Speaker 3: my former college classmate at Syracuse University, he says he
Speaker 3: expects Garrett Wilson to be out partly because of a
Speaker 3: knee injury, partly because they have a bye next week,
Speaker 3: so this would give him a couple of weeks. And
Speaker 3: he missed last week's game, so it would give him
Speaker 3: three weeks to recover from that injury. And if you
Speaker 3: look at the Jets receiving corps beyond Garrett Wilson, there's
Speaker 3: no doubt it's the worst in the NFL. I mean,
Speaker 3: Alan Lazard, the former Green Bay Packer, is on that roster,
Speaker 3: but he's on the back nine. Josh Reynolds is probably
Speaker 3: their second best wide receiver and he's not very good.
Speaker 3: So this is a very poor receiving group once you
Speaker 3: remove Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, plus you have Tyrod Taylor in there too, and
Speaker 2: you just look at it and you think the Bengals
Speaker 2: can feast the area concerned. Of course, Prieze Hall, running
Speaker 2: back top twenty yards per carry, got stopped to run
Speaker 2: on Sunday.
Speaker 3: The best player on the offense, especially with Garrett Wilson out,
Speaker 3: and you know he's a great player. Replaced David Montgomery
Speaker 3: at Iowa State as the running back, and much like
Speaker 3: David Montgomery, he's proven to be an excellent NFL player.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's no doubt about it. Looking at that offense,
Speaker 3: that's the person that you put a gigantic circle around
Speaker 3: as the number one priority to shut down or at least,
Speaker 3: you know, hold them to reasonable numbers. And if the
Speaker 3: Bengals do that, I think the Jets are really struggle
Speaker 3: to score.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you look at that the pass protection.
Speaker 2: Jets have given up thirty one sacks through seven games,
Speaker 2: of the worst of the NFL. The old line is terrible.
Speaker 2: You've got a less mobile Tyrod Taylor in there. You
Speaker 2: would expect it to be a really, really good day
Speaker 2: for that Bengals.
Speaker 3: Dealon offensive line, well, let me backtrack. Stacks are not
Speaker 3: just an offensive line that. It's a quarterback stat too,
Speaker 3: and I do think one of the reasons why they've
Speaker 3: given up so many sacks is justin fields. As mobile
Speaker 3: as he is, holds onto the ball forever. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: doesn't see it like the elite quarterbacks do. So I
Speaker 3: would expect Tyrod Taylor to get rid of it quicker
Speaker 3: and that'll make it more difficult to get to him.
Speaker 3: But your point is right, it's not a great offensive line.
Speaker 3: They haven't invested first round picks in both tackles, and
Speaker 3: I think both of those guys will eventually be good,
Speaker 3: but they're not there yet.
Speaker 2: Dan Horde, voice of the Bengals and the Bearcats. Big
Speaker 2: weekend for both teams, of the Jets in town. We're
Speaker 2: pivoting on that right now, we're talking about that right now.
Speaker 2: I also look at the quarterback matchup too, and we'll
Speaker 2: rewind of the Steeler game. To me, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're the same. The best thing about last week was
Speaker 2: how angry what was going through Mike Tomlin's head walking
Speaker 2: from the locker room to the bus and thinking how
Speaker 2: Cleveland probably should have got I don't know, like a
Speaker 2: half a win with that one for trading him to us.
Speaker 2: And right before the Steelers it was fantastic.
Speaker 3: I would buy a ticket for the Mike Tomlin Andrew
Speaker 3: Berry fight.
Speaker 4: Can we just put up a.
Speaker 3: Boxing ring in the middle of an NFL stadium and
Speaker 3: that Steeler said square off against the Cleveland Browns GM,
Speaker 3: that would be very entertaining. Mike Common definitely wanted a
Speaker 3: piece of him after that game last Thursday night. And yes,
Speaker 3: thank you Cleveland for trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals.
Speaker 3: Bengals fans are chanting that, yep. After the game when
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco was interviewed by the Amazon Prime crew, thank
Speaker 3: you Cleveland. So it turned out to be a great trade,
Speaker 3: at least so far. He's been spectacular in his last
Speaker 3: six quarters and he's hoping he keeps it up.
Speaker 4: On a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ghost of Paul Brown rising up and beating
Speaker 2: the Steelers. I absolutely love it. What was that most
Speaker 2: surprising aspect? Of that game last week with the Steeler
Speaker 2: win for you, Dan.
Speaker 3: Really just how easy it looks for Flacco right now.
Speaker 3: I mean the simple fact that he was able to
Speaker 3: come in here on a Tuesday, hould his first practice
Speaker 3: on a Wednesday, and play well in the second half
Speaker 3: against Green Bay in Week one, and then have a
Speaker 3: short week in Week two and it looks like he's
Speaker 3: been here for five years instead of you know, at
Speaker 3: that point nine days. So the fact that he's playing
Speaker 3: at such a high level with so little time invested
Speaker 3: with the Bengals, that's what's most remarkable to me.
Speaker 2: He had a called him the goat for two reasons,
Speaker 2: you know, the Grissmelter, but also the fact that you know,
Speaker 2: like like in in the horse racing, it is they
Speaker 2: have like a goat that hangs out in the stables
Speaker 2: to kind of keep be a but kind of calmed
Speaker 2: down the horse a little. He had that effect on
Speaker 2: the place because early on, you know, people are jumping
Speaker 2: off size the chase Brown wrapped that easy ball and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, here we go. And then
Speaker 2: he just had this like I got this, it's calm,
Speaker 2: calm this holes this own the zen thing you had
Speaker 2: going on and the team like bought in and he
Speaker 2: just calmly, let drives up and down the field all night.
Speaker 2: It was to me that was at presence. He's just like,
Speaker 2: it's okay, I've seen worse. We got this. He settled
Speaker 2: everybody down. I think.
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is Joe cool. Joe Flacco is Joe calm.
Speaker 3: That's the effect that he's had on the team. He
Speaker 3: is unflackable. And if you prefer that as you're a
Speaker 3: lion about you know, just the presence that he's provided.
Speaker 3: But I think that's absolutely true, and they needed it.
Speaker 3: Jake Browning's confidence was shot. The coaches and players had
Speaker 3: lost confidence in him, partly because of his play, or
Speaker 3: largely because of his play, but also just because you
Speaker 3: could hear it in his voice. He had completely lost confidence.
Speaker 3: So Joe Flacco has come in and instantly changed that vibe.
Speaker 2: And of course he's offset and for the second week
Speaker 2: in a row, an older quarterback, certainly not to the
Speaker 2: age of the previous week, or is it, but by
Speaker 2: tyro Tap has been on a week for a long
Speaker 2: time as well. When we heard that the Jets are
Speaker 2: going with him instead, how does that change things? Relative
Speaker 2: to the game plan for Sunday.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really change much because the Jets offense doesn't
Speaker 3: change much. But I do think it makes the Jets
Speaker 3: more of a threat, only because that's how lousy Justin
Speaker 3: Fields had been playing. You know, the Jets are struggling
Speaker 3: in every way offensively, the one that matters is points,
Speaker 3: and they haven't scored a touchdown in two weeks.
Speaker 4: So the field.
Speaker 3: You look at his NFL career, he's been good as
Speaker 3: a running quarterback, but he's never really been good as
Speaker 3: a passing quarterback. I think if you look it's the
Speaker 3: last five years. If you look at the three teams
Speaker 3: in the last five years that had averaged the fewest
Speaker 3: passing yards to this point of the year, I know
Speaker 3: it's kind of a wordy stat, but in any case,
Speaker 3: those three teams were all quarterback by Justin Field. So
Speaker 3: if this year's Jets and two of the teams where
Speaker 3: he was the starting quarterback with the Bears, those three
Speaker 3: teams had the lowest passing yards per game at this
Speaker 3: point of the season in the last five years. So
Speaker 3: that tells you that Justin Fields is just not a
Speaker 3: good passing quarterback.
Speaker 4: Period.
Speaker 2: As bad as this team is, and we just discussed
Speaker 2: all the Jets injuries as well. The Bengals are not
Speaker 2: nearly as bang up. Obviously two be one being down.
Speaker 2: But Trey Hendrickson on that hip has been limited all
Speaker 2: week is does it just make more sense to rest
Speaker 2: him and then give Shamar Stewart more reps?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Granted, Shamar Stewart is not where he needs to be
Speaker 2: at this point in his young career, but it feels
Speaker 2: like a gamer, you should do that.
Speaker 3: It all depends on how serious the injury is. You know,
Speaker 3: Trey reportedly wanted to play last week, so he continues
Speaker 3: to be limited practice. They're going to evaluate that based
Speaker 3: on just how serious this hip injury is. But if
Speaker 3: they determine that he's had no risk to make it
Speaker 3: worse and feels like he can play, you can't afford
Speaker 3: to lose at this point to a team that's winless
Speaker 3: at home. So if Trade thinks he can play and
Speaker 3: the medical staff says, you know what, it's ready at
Speaker 3: this point, I'd play them.
Speaker 2: We didn't talk at all about Chase Brown, who lit
Speaker 2: up the Steelers last game. All of a sudden, it
Speaker 2: was like a light switch got flipped. Do you expect
Speaker 2: more of that this week.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if the Bengals are going to
Speaker 3: rush for more than one hundred and forty yards again,
Speaker 3: but I do think that they're going to have a
Speaker 3: lot more than they had prior to the last week's game.
Speaker 3: I don't think they had top sixty if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 3: in the previous games, So let's get that number into
Speaker 3: triple digits at least. I think they found something that
Speaker 3: the offensive line in the Pittsburgh game, and hopefully it
Speaker 3: continues because they need to have some sort of a
Speaker 3: running threat. That's one of the reasons why Flacco is
Speaker 3: so effective. Against the Steelers, they finally had a running threat.
Speaker 3: Chase Brown average nearly ten yards of carry. He's not
Speaker 3: going to do that again, but you know, for much
Speaker 3: of this year it was under three. So I thought
Speaker 3: the running game actually showed some signs of life against
Speaker 3: the Packers. I think they averaged more than four yards
Speaker 3: to carry in that game, and then they got to
Speaker 3: a point where they had to throw it in the
Speaker 3: second half. But it's showing signs of life. It was
Speaker 3: really good last week, and hopefully it'll at least be
Speaker 3: solid on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think so. In better blocking helps. They
Speaker 2: blocked a lot better against Pittsburgh than they have in
Speaker 2: a couple of games. Also, it's this time of year,
Speaker 2: the trade deadline coming up. The Logan Wilson thing is
Speaker 2: I don't I think it's just noise. I mean, it
Speaker 2: seems like every team or a most teams have something
Speaker 2: like that going on. Logan Wilson gets bench, he requests
Speaker 2: the trade in pretty clearly. You know, Bearck, Carter, Demetrius
Speaker 2: Night being rookies and all that. But that's the future.
Speaker 2: And of course he was bench before the Green Bay game,
Speaker 2: so we'll see. I'm sure there's some teams where he
Speaker 2: makes a fit. There's a fit, But I know that
Speaker 2: was a big storyline this weekend. I just thought I
Speaker 2: just point that out, and there's no observation he needed there. Dan,
Speaker 2: it's that time of year, we're going to the trade.
Speaker 3: The one thing I'd say about Logan Wilson is that
Speaker 3: I don't expect him to be a problem, even though
Speaker 3: he has requested a trade. You know, I can't blame him.
Speaker 3: He wants to start, he's lost his starting job. He's
Speaker 3: only twenty nine years old, but he's not the type
Speaker 3: of guy that is going to tank or be a headache.
Speaker 3: You know, we remember Carlos dunlap Burn bridges on his
Speaker 3: way out the door. That's not going to happen with
Speaker 3: Logan Wilson. Maybe they make a deal if the right
Speaker 3: offer is out there, but I don't know. It kind
Speaker 3: of feels to me like it's more likely that, you know,
Speaker 3: he's part of this team for the rest of this year,
Speaker 3: and then maybe at the end of the year, with
Speaker 3: one year left on a deal, they see if they
Speaker 3: can make a trade, then all right.
Speaker 2: He is a busy man this weekend and his partner's
Speaker 2: getting inducted in the respective well the Ring of Honor
Speaker 2: for Dave Lapham and the UC Hall of Fame for
Speaker 2: our own Tony Pike. And he is the constant between both.
Speaker 2: He is the conduit between excellence. That would be Dan Cord.
Speaker 2: It all goes through your fingers, Dan, all through, all
Speaker 2: goes through your vocal cords. Congratulations.
Speaker 3: Don't congratulate me, but congratulate them because it's well deserved.
Speaker 4: Looiting forward to being.
Speaker 3: For Tony's event tonight, along with the five other former
Speaker 3: Bearcats that will go into the Cincinnati Sports Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame and then obviously lap and Lamar Parrish on Sunday.
Speaker 2: That's going to be awesome, all right, will you enjoy it?
Speaker 2: I know you well, Danny, all the best.
Speaker 4: Thanks Buddy, Thanks Tony, thanks for having me on you sir.
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Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: A man who has entertainment reporting of coursing through his veins,
Speaker 2: which makes him a medical offeity.
Speaker 5: He is ABC Will Gans from New York.
Speaker 2: He has a few things going on a movie and
Speaker 2: music wise anyway, and Will kansons back from his ABC
Speaker 2: Good Morning America three world tour. Well, how are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 5: I'm exhausted. The life of a celebrity has really caught
Speaker 5: up to me.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: Pretty impressive though. He's talking to me and now he's
Speaker 2: doing Good Morning America and stuff, and now he's back
Speaker 2: and trying to balance both. I get it because you know,
Speaker 2: in this day in media umpires, we have to wear
Speaker 2: a lot of hats and keep a lot of balls
Speaker 2: in the air juggling. Why so I appreciate you. Let's
Speaker 2: jump in with this one because I saw the trailer.
Speaker 2: I like Bruce Springsteen a lot. I don't think I'm
Speaker 2: a fangirl, but I love Bruce Springsteen and Jeremy Allen
Speaker 2: White of Bear Fame is starring as him in the
Speaker 2: new movie called Deliverabently from Nowhere. Saw the trailer and
Speaker 2: when I learned he's singing, because sert thing you want
Speaker 2: to find out is does he do the singing in
Speaker 2: here too? Now he sings? He also plays guitar too,
Speaker 2: doesn't he?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: So he you know, as he pointed out, we know
Speaker 8: him from the Bear so we know he does that
Speaker 8: sort of torture artists things very very well, and he
Speaker 8: is bringing that in you.
Speaker 5: Know, full forth to this movie.
Speaker 8: Yes, so he is singing, he is playing instruments and stuff.
Speaker 8: They do mix in a little bit of Bruce's original vocals,
Speaker 8: which I think, you know, for fans of Bruce Springsteen,
Speaker 8: that will you know.
Speaker 5: That goes a long way also.
Speaker 8: But the thing with this movie is, like I was
Speaker 8: sort of anticipating, you know, a big like bold like
Speaker 8: feels like you're front row and a concert sort of movie,
Speaker 8: and it's a lot more introspective and you know, it's
Speaker 8: Bruce working on the Nebraska album, so it's after his
Speaker 8: first tour and he's sort of on the brink of
Speaker 8: becoming the superstar that we know he'll become, but he's
Speaker 8: dealing with a lot of his own like ener demons
Speaker 8: and stuff as well. So you know, there is great
Speaker 8: stuff for fans of Bruce Springsteen, little easter eggs and
Speaker 8: stuff where you're like, oh, this is where he got
Speaker 8: the inspiration for that song that he'll.
Speaker 5: Write, you know, twenty years later or whatever.
Speaker 6: So it's in movie theaters this weekend.
Speaker 8: It's and it's getting a lot of oscar buzz already
Speaker 8: for Jeremy Allen White for playing Bruce Springsteen, so you know,
Speaker 8: if you're looking to see something in theaters this week,
Speaker 8: and I think it's a pretty solid choice.
Speaker 5: I had a good time watching.
Speaker 2: The sound is amazing. I mean, he his vocals are
Speaker 2: really really strong.
Speaker 8: I couldn't believe it, I know, and I guess you
Speaker 8: know he was sort of worked with and hand selected
Speaker 8: by Bruce Springsteen to some extent, So you know, I
Speaker 8: think when when you're sort of taken in the fold
Speaker 8: in that way, you better sound pretty great, right, And
Speaker 8: I think he nailed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty cool. And you know, just kind
Speaker 2: of known about Nebraska. The album itself, he like really
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to be. I think it was a demo
Speaker 2: basically he's recording and just recording stuff on a on
Speaker 2: a simple recorder, wasn't even a studio, and he said
Speaker 2: now we're gonna, We're going to release it. Likely a
Speaker 2: huge gamble for the record company. And if you if
Speaker 2: you know it was coming with the next album, of
Speaker 2: course in eighty four, would be born in the USA,
Speaker 2: and a number of the songs that he wrote that
Speaker 2: would have been he left off and then turned out,
Speaker 2: you know, like Glory Days, for example, is on the
Speaker 2: All Stamily one of the biggest albums of the eighties
Speaker 2: if if out All Time, and that's born in the USA,
Speaker 2: So you see the seeds of that that thinking, and
Speaker 2: it's all coming out in Nebraska.
Speaker 5: Really neat exactly exactly.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So it's it's a really you know, it's a good,
Speaker 8: great movie for fans of Bruce and a and a
Speaker 8: really great movie for people who.
Speaker 5: Don't maybe know that that much about him.
Speaker 2: How much in the is the East Street Band featured
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 8: It's I would say it's more about Bruce and his
Speaker 8: like early relationships with like women and his mom and stuff,
Speaker 8: and his managers in it as well.
Speaker 6: But the band, you know, not not so much.
Speaker 5: It's really more of like a yeah, more I would.
Speaker 6: Say, like personal and interpersonal, like gotcha relationship.
Speaker 2: If you're expect to be like the Queen or the
Speaker 2: Elton John one, that's not the case.
Speaker 8: That's exactly correct, that's exactly correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2: So I don't prepare to be disappointed. Is that what
Speaker 2: you're saying.
Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, it's just it's a different type
Speaker 8: of movie.
Speaker 5: It's you know, it's it's yeah, well it's a.
Speaker 2: Worth of twenty bucks or whatever it's going to cost
Speaker 2: me to go see this thing.
Speaker 5: I would say, yes, definitely.
Speaker 2: Is it an imax too?
Speaker 6: I actually I don't have the answer for you there.
Speaker 5: I yeah, yeah, good question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just to see I mean, you want to
Speaker 2: see it. It's like if you like the music, you
Speaker 2: want to see in the big screen because it's it's
Speaker 2: just so immersive. Well, gance in New York this morning,
Speaker 2: So deliver me from nowhere is a go I know
Speaker 2: that Adam Brody of course that Oscar, But Kristen Bell,
Speaker 2: nobody wants to set's on Netflix right now? What's that about?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is season two.
Speaker 8: So season one came out back in November December, and
Speaker 8: we're already at season two.
Speaker 6: But this show sort of blew.
Speaker 5: Up in a way that nobody thought it would.
Speaker 8: It was nominated for a ton of Emmys this year,
Speaker 8: Kristen Bell and Adam Brody and the show itself was
Speaker 8: nominated for Best Comedy.
Speaker 5: So this is the one.
Speaker 6: That's based on a true story.
Speaker 8: She played a podcaster who's not really religious at all
Speaker 8: and ends up meeting a.
Speaker 5: Rabbi at a party and.
Speaker 6: End up falling for each other. So season one ended
Speaker 6: basically with.
Speaker 8: Them saying, you know what, let's try and make this happen.
Speaker 8: You know, despite not really fitting into each other's you know,
Speaker 8: personal lives or families, you know, work relationships are all
Speaker 8: sort of thrown into the air because of this relationship.
Speaker 8: And season two picks up with them trying to make
Speaker 8: it work, and each episode is only about half an hour.
Speaker 6: It's really sweet, really funny.
Speaker 8: The soundtrack is actually like a ton of fun as well.
Speaker 8: So this, you know, for anyone who wants to stay
Speaker 8: in and only has a little bit of time and
Speaker 8: can catch an episode here or there.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun this show. Nobody wants to Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know because when I fell in was in love
Speaker 2: with my rabbi, it was a lot more dramatic and
Speaker 2: it didn't work out right right.
Speaker 6: Everyone can relate to falling in love with their rabbi.
Speaker 6: It's the tale as old as time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I'm a gentle I'm not even close
Speaker 2: to Jewish, but you know, I understand what else you got.
Speaker 8: So they announced yesterday that the last episode of Stranger
Speaker 8: Things of the entire series, is going to hit theaters
Speaker 8: the same day that the episode starts streaming on Netflix.
Speaker 5: So for anyone who maybe forgot what happened.
Speaker 8: You know, season four of Stranger Things came out over
Speaker 8: to like about two years ago. So I am recommending rewatching.
Speaker 8: I have been rewatching from season one all of Stranger Things,
Speaker 8: because the final season will drop about a month from now.
Speaker 8: And you know, some estimates say that there they spent
Speaker 8: sixty million dollars per episode of this last season making
Speaker 8: the show, yeah yeah, come to life, and so it's
Speaker 8: gonna be huge. It's gonna be epic and it's gonna
Speaker 8: be a movie theaters, So you know, it's I have
Speaker 8: I've had such a fun time rewatching the show and
Speaker 8: reminding myself you know, why I loved it, why it's
Speaker 8: really been boundary breaking, and why Netflix has invested so
Speaker 8: much into it. So yeah, if if you have some
Speaker 8: time to kill, uh, you know, the final season will
Speaker 8: drop right before Thanksgiving, the first part of that season,
Speaker 8: so you know, have about a month if you want
Speaker 8: to rewatch the first four seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's I think the reason
Speaker 2: why and we can talk about why it's so iconic.
Speaker 2: I think just because it really captured the whole eighties
Speaker 2: aesthetic really well. It wasn't like campy or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It was it's really well.
Speaker 8: Done exactly, and even the way they fold in some
Speaker 8: sort of eighties familiar faces. Of course, Winona Ryder plays
Speaker 8: the mom, and then they have guest appearances from you know, Sean.
Speaker 5: Aston who was in the Goonies and.
Speaker 8: You know, things like that, and then in the last
Speaker 8: season there will be some guest appearances as well from
Speaker 8: other eighties icons.
Speaker 6: So you know, I think it's it is it.
Speaker 8: Really does a good job with that eighties you know
Speaker 8: aesthetic and vibe and even the music you know, pays
Speaker 8: homage to that time as well.
Speaker 2: Plus it's so weird, right, you got horror and sci
Speaker 2: fi and mystery and it's a coming of age drama.
Speaker 2: You get like it's it's hitting all and normally it's
Speaker 2: way too they'd be way too confusing, but they make it.
Speaker 8: Work exactly, and parts are very funny too, and and
Speaker 8: you know, heartwarming.
Speaker 5: So so yeah, it is like it blends those.
Speaker 8: Genres really really well. And it's well acted also.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you think about it too, I mean,
Speaker 2: this was the first season. I want to say, was
Speaker 2: it twenty fourteen, twenty somewhere in there, but it really
Speaker 2: felt like this is the one, Like the Sopranos made Hbo.
Speaker 2: This felt like this is what made Netflix.
Speaker 5: To me, I think you're right on the money with that, exactly.
Speaker 8: This was when I was like, oh, okay, like I
Speaker 8: should be paying a subscription to watch this show.
Speaker 2: Yep, right exactly. He is will Gans, ABC News multi
Speaker 2: platform guy in New York. He does it all. Go
Speaker 2: see him on GMA three at will Gans with two
Speaker 2: Wes's and Deliver from Nowhere looks like the hit that
Speaker 2: people are pretty I think it's gonna be pretty well
Speaker 2: the box office. And then you got options on the
Speaker 2: small screen as well. Appreciate it. Well, we'll talk next week.
Speaker 5: Man, all right, have a great weekend.
Speaker 2: You as well. You as well, you as well. So
Speaker 2: there you go. Stranger things got that. Nobody wants this,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like the Jets, nobody wants us.
Speaker 2: We got that on Sunday, and you see football tomorrow.
Speaker 2: So hey man, we got sports. You got stuff to do.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go to the theater. It's I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe not this weekend. At some point, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go see Delivered Me from Nowhere. I haven't been
Speaker 2: in the theater in a long time. Like that seems
Speaker 2: to me like the one to go see because it's
Speaker 2: gonna sound great. And who isn't a Jeremy Allen White fan.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you saw Shameless, that that was what
Speaker 2: he made him. Let's put it that way. He's like, woh,
Speaker 2: this guy's a great actor. And then he does the Bear,
Speaker 2: which is as good in a different way. I thought
Speaker 2: the last season wasn't as good as the previous ones,
Speaker 2: but it was still pretty good. And now he's Springsteen,
Speaker 2: So those are the things you're like, I kind of
Speaker 2: gotta go see him because he is a hell of
Speaker 2: an actor. And if he's doing the singing and the guitar,
Speaker 2: and if you've seen some of the clips on social
Speaker 2: the vocals are it's incredible. It's like you think you're
Speaker 2: watching Bruce Springsteen and a lot of the facial features
Speaker 2: and gestures. He really has him down, did a really
Speaker 2: really job with it. The storyline, I'm just curious, is
Speaker 2: it two inside Baseball? Like Nebraska is not the biggest
Speaker 2: reason why they're doing I guess it's the story behind it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, if you're a fan of music, he got that.
Speaker 2: We got football this weekend and got movies, got it
Speaker 2: all going on. Let's get a time out in It's
Speaker 2: the Scott Sloan Show. In about four minutes here on
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW will get into the NBA scandal and
Speaker 2: some observations about that, and particularly the day after the
Speaker 2: NBA season starts, right this is when the FBI decides
Speaker 2: that they're going to overshadow all of that with this scandal.
Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting timing and why we'll get
Speaker 2: into and just minutes here, slowly back and forth on
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLWT, seven minutes away from news on this
Speaker 2: Friday morning. Seven hundred WLWT is so far nice and quiet,
Speaker 2: like we like it, like we like it. Steve Gooden,
Speaker 2: who is a council CANDI, former councole person and attorney,
Speaker 2: a little analysis on what the city just did relative
Speaker 2: to Terry Fiji, because it really leaves a lot of
Speaker 2: folks myself included scratching our heads going, I just I've
Speaker 2: never seen anything like this before. You fire someone and
Speaker 2: then decide to find the reasons why you fired her
Speaker 2: in the first place. That just ahead Bengals trying to
Speaker 2: get into even five hundred Bearcats going for seven straight.
Speaker 2: We've got lots of football this weekend. Also also also
Speaker 2: we have the scandal that just broke yesterday. So why
Speaker 2: does the FBI do this massive press conference slash purp
Speaker 2: walk yesterday afternoon the day after the well, the the
Speaker 2: as I say, at the start of the NBAC, they
Speaker 2: had twelve games on Wednesday, and of course you had
Speaker 2: you know, a night kickoff, couple games, a couple of
Speaker 2: games and then big with a big slide full slighting.
Speaker 2: Why would they do that like opening week because it
Speaker 2: totally took away from opening to the NBA basically is
Speaker 2: what it was opening day. I guess I should say
Speaker 2: with a full slight of night games. Everyone's so excited
Speaker 2: about that, and I think it. You know, looking at
Speaker 2: you can kind of tell why. So Travel's coach, the
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer Chauncey Billups and Miami Terry Rose here
Speaker 2: thirty people among their people, thirty four in total arrested yesterday,
Speaker 2: and this investigation has been going on for a long
Speaker 2: time in the FBI. It's Wirefrog conspiracies, money laundering. So
Speaker 2: Rosier arrested and accused of leaking confidential information about his
Speaker 2: health to people associates who used that to bet that
Speaker 2: he would underperform. So he's in a game, he said, hey,
Speaker 2: here's here's again, and you know, he winds up leaving early,
Speaker 2: faking an injury, and they bet the under onund how
Speaker 2: many points each court basically and Chauncey Billups, it's a
Speaker 2: whole different thing. That's Tony Soprano and the Italian mob
Speaker 2: of Coosonostro, which surprises of Italian they still are still
Speaker 2: that strong. But although they have private table games backed
Speaker 2: by the New York Mob, and there's X ray poker tables,
Speaker 2: so I can see what the cards are, and it's
Speaker 2: that that's a whole different thing right there. And of
Speaker 2: course John D Porter, a former NBA bench player, also
Speaker 2: accused of disclosing confidential information about his health to a
Speaker 2: better So those are three of the big ones. But
Speaker 2: I look at this and go, okay, why would you
Speaker 2: do this on that It's because the NBA already cleared
Speaker 2: Rose here essentially did their own internal investigation, I guess,
Speaker 2: and said, okay, yeah, nothing to see here, and the
Speaker 2: FBI said, well hold on just a second. So they
Speaker 2: start looking at it, and then I think, what's happening,
Speaker 2: especially under Trump right doesn't like to be if you're
Speaker 2: the FBI, like, wow, the NBA said, there's nothing to
Speaker 2: see here, and clearly there's a lot to see here.
Speaker 2: So we're going to we're going to rain on their parade.
Speaker 2: We're going to destroy opening week because this is now
Speaker 2: the big story. Like nobody's paying, you know, paying somewhat attention,
Speaker 2: but no one cares. I cared about the NBA, going wow,
Speaker 2: what the hell's going to the NBA? I mean, a
Speaker 2: huge black guy for the league could have done this
Speaker 2: weeks ago, probably before the season, preseason whatever, but they
Speaker 2: decided to drop it this week. I think that's in
Speaker 2: the message. I really really do that this is a
Speaker 2: lot bigger deal than the NBA. It's you know, hard
Speaker 2: to say that the NBA covers something up or look
Speaker 2: the other way. And I mean pretty clearly if you
Speaker 2: say there's nothing than to see here everything's good, and
Speaker 2: the FBI says no, there isn't and you've got you know,
Speaker 2: the mob involved for crying out loud and it's all
Speaker 2: tied together. That is clearly a shot across the bow
Speaker 2: of the National Basketball Association. I think the other thing too,
Speaker 2: is looking at this because now it's on trial, is
Speaker 2: the integrity of professional sports and the legal betting era. Right,
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this is what happened. This is what happened.
Speaker 2: You have all these sports book and gaming sports, but
Speaker 2: see you could see this coming. Look it's not like
Speaker 2: cheating and point shaving. All this stuff is new. It
Speaker 2: just used to we'd still be doing this. It's not
Speaker 2: all like sports gambling would go away. You know when
Speaker 2: you're back in college back in the day, buddy, that
Speaker 2: what you had someone who's a bookie, you knew someone
Speaker 2: who knew somebody, okay, and you know, if there's enough money.
Speaker 2: But it's not like we haven't had a long history
Speaker 2: of people trying to fix games and matches since sports
Speaker 2: began in the United States, which in the early days, right,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure like when they're playing that weird game
Speaker 2: where they got a leather ox and ball and they're
Speaker 2: throwing it through the hoop on horseback with Indians, like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure somebody was betting on that, and then somebody
Speaker 2: was like fixing game, you know, boxing and all that
Speaker 2: stuff back in the day. So yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm it's it's certainly more complextions a lot more
Speaker 2: money in it, because you're talking about one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty billion dollars in legal bets just last year alone,
Speaker 2: huge amount of money, and somebody's going to skim some
Speaker 2: of that. I totally get it. But let's look at
Speaker 2: how they got caught for a second. So you had
Speaker 2: a better professional better I think, placed thirty wagers in
Speaker 2: less than an hour and all involving Terry Rozier. Do
Speaker 2: you remember a few years ago and the U see
Speaker 2: baseball team. I think you See Baseball is called no
Speaker 2: one from you See Baseball. I think was Charger got
Speaker 2: in trouble for it. But there's a guy who was
Speaker 2: a great American ballpark at the sportsbook there and it
Speaker 2: was putting as I recall, you may remember this better
Speaker 2: than I do, but I think it was pending like
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars on an Alabama baseball game. I
Speaker 2: was like Alabama, Clemson or wherever it was, and he
Speaker 2: had inside information that the pitcher would be benched. So
Speaker 2: he's betting one hundred grand on that on college baseball.
Speaker 2: So in this case, you've got a guy betting a
Speaker 2: lot of money on Terry Rozier and that's just gonna
Speaker 2: set the algorithms go nuts. And it's not like they
Speaker 2: don't have people at all the sports books that are
Speaker 2: monitoring that behind the scenes and so obviously all electronics,
Speaker 2: but they're social media. Who's betting on what the prop bets?
Speaker 2: And do you look at this, you go, WHOA that
Speaker 2: jumps off the I mean, it's terror's here, right, So
Speaker 2: it jumps off the page. And that's where they start
Speaker 2: the investigation. Like the NBA couldn't figure that working with
Speaker 2: the sports books. That's what tells me this is why
Speaker 2: they did it when they did it. That could be
Speaker 2: wrong about that, but this is gonna be a black
Speaker 2: guy for the NBA for a long time. So as
Speaker 2: far as the integrity of professional sports go, I think
Speaker 2: you're this is going to be commonplace. I think maybe
Speaker 2: not happening all the time, but it's going to take
Speaker 2: an idiot like that, you know, like the the that
Speaker 2: Alabama guy with uc and at Great American Ballpark or
Speaker 2: this case, and every few years you're gonna have knuckle
Speaker 2: at doing this or somebody trying to do this. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get cads can be a big story because they're
Speaker 2: so good at catching this stuff. Because again, this is
Speaker 2: not good, not good for the sports books. It makes
Speaker 2: them look really, really bad. So there's a more incentive
Speaker 2: them to to make sure they're moditning this at all times.
Speaker 2: I think it goes away. I think it's just something
Speaker 2: we're gonna live with. I don't think it's the end
Speaker 2: of sports or anything like that, like some people are
Speaker 2: making it out to be, Oh, this is what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they downfalls non buying it. I really not. We'll get
Speaker 2: a news update Steve good Next, you fire the chief
Speaker 2: and then you look for the reasons to fire hers.
Speaker 2: It's making sense to you, does makes sense to him either,
Speaker 2: and he's an attorney's ready to go. We'll talk to
Speaker 2: him next after news on the Home of the Best
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Speaker 2: covered on all those platforms. A mind up boggling example
Speaker 2: of ready fire aim chief Teresa Thiji placed on administrative leave,
Speaker 2: paid administrator to leave at that and an interim chief.
Speaker 2: And Adam Henny named this before the investigation into the
Speaker 2: effectiveness of our leadership as a city calls it that
Speaker 2: any of this happens. It's the city is looking for
Speaker 2: a reason to fire the chief. After they fire the chief,
Speaker 2: it just goes from bad to worse. Too ridiculous at
Speaker 2: this point with the City of Cincinnati, and it's a
Speaker 2: leader after ad Pierre Valscher along the city manager in
Speaker 2: just more confusion and chaos. When we don't need it.
Speaker 2: Steve Goodness, here is a council candidate from a council member,
Speaker 2: attorney and charter right, and with his analysis here this morning, Steve,
Speaker 2: how are you, Steve? You there, Steve Gooden? Well wait wait,
Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, stam let's go there we go.
Speaker 2: We got you asked you yeah, yeah, yeah, first day
Speaker 2: on the new job, first day, and the new job
Speaker 2: for me, there's an irony here because it's the executive branch,
Speaker 2: it's law enforcement. The irony is, of course, there's no
Speaker 2: due process for the chief of police. This is conviction
Speaker 2: before being charged. And on that they even't even hired
Speaker 2: a law firm.
Speaker 4: Yet.
Speaker 2: How does this make any sense legally?
Speaker 4: Well it doesn't.
Speaker 7: I mean, look, you know, I've had employees, you know,
Speaker 7: for most of my career. And look, rule number one
Speaker 7: is if you've got the goods on somebody, you just
Speaker 7: go ahead and fire them, you know. And so the
Speaker 7: idea that here they said, hey, well we want you
Speaker 7: to resign. The charter clearly says that once the chief
Speaker 7: has served more than six months, she can only be
Speaker 7: fired for cause. So presumably, if they had any kind
Speaker 7: of cause or bad behavior on her part, that had
Speaker 7: been documented, they were just going ahead and fired her,
Speaker 7: and we wouldn't have this far.
Speaker 4: So now they're.
Speaker 7: Trying to create a ground, obviously, create grounds to fire
Speaker 7: her after the fact, after they've already sort of gone
Speaker 7: to her and asked her to resign. It is a
Speaker 7: morale killer. It's more politics that the rank and file
Speaker 7: see this. I talked to some officers yesterday who are
Speaker 7: just disgusted by how this is playing out. I mean,
Speaker 7: they're already short staff, morale was already bad. And I
Speaker 7: got to hand it to mayor and the council. They
Speaker 7: have done the impossible. They have taken a horrible situation
Speaker 7: and made it yet worse. I always thinking like, there's
Speaker 7: really no way it gets any worse. We have rampant
Speaker 7: gun violence, business is downtown, is scared in town. We
Speaker 7: literally have slats standing on Fountain Square. My offices right
Speaker 7: there was there yesterday. We don't really have a police chef.
Speaker 7: How could we make it worse? And also, you know,
Speaker 7: I've never seen a situation we're bringing a bunch of
Speaker 7: lawyers in. Billing by the hour makes anything better. I
Speaker 7: not say that as a lawyer who bills by the hour.
Speaker 7: It never makes things better.
Speaker 2: Here's a great example.
Speaker 4: It's terrible.
Speaker 2: See here's a scandal, the betting of the gambling scandal.
Speaker 2: Chauncey Billups. Okay, how it works all always is always deficient.
Speaker 2: Is all of a sudden, there's a bombshell, Hey, we're
Speaker 2: on a press count. Here's what's gonna happen. It's like,
Speaker 2: we caught all these players in the gambling scheme and
Speaker 2: at the mob's involved, and you have a press conference,
Speaker 2: you lay the charges out. On the other side says, oh,
Speaker 2: we deny, we deny, we deny. Uh. That's how you
Speaker 2: don't go, Hey, by the way, uh, Chauncey, we're going
Speaker 2: to we're gonna we're gonna do this, uh, and then
Speaker 2: go and find that we're not sure we believe they
Speaker 2: did this, and now we're gonna go and investigate it.
Speaker 2: It's it's completely backwards. You don't do that. You have
Speaker 2: the charges that they make, the presentation. You don't present
Speaker 2: and say we're gonna let we're Chauncey Billups, We're we're
Speaker 2: gonna suspend you, We're gonna come after, we're gonna charge you,
Speaker 2: but we're not going to tell you what it is.
Speaker 2: We've got to hire a team to do that, but
Speaker 2: we know you're guilty of something. It does, It doesn't
Speaker 2: even pass a sniff test for most people. It's insane, right, right.
Speaker 7: It's a fundamental, you know, violation of it, just even
Speaker 7: the most basic due process on her part. She can't
Speaker 7: answer the charges because she doesn't know what they are.
Speaker 7: Now we know from the mayor's comments that they're hanging
Speaker 7: all this on her quote in effectiveness.
Speaker 4: But what she's.
Speaker 7: Already telegraphed very strongly is I think she acknowledges she
Speaker 7: was uneffective, okay, because of the policies she was given
Speaker 7: an instructed to do. I mean, we know that city
Speaker 7: Hall and the mayor helped elect a set of judges
Speaker 7: over in the courthouse that really didn't believe in cash bail,
Speaker 7: so they were putting gun offenders back on the streets rapidly,
Speaker 7: and that that contributed to the frustration in the police department,
Speaker 7: and that she has clearly said that she went to
Speaker 7: the mayor to try to correct the situation and he refused.
Speaker 7: We also know that this whole bizarre compliance versus enforcement
Speaker 7: thing on lower level offenses came right from the city
Speaker 7: manager and the mayor now I fault the chief candidly
Speaker 7: for not pushing back more on that. So they stopped writing,
Speaker 7: you know, weed tickets, stopped pursuing graffiti issues, stopped dealing
Speaker 7: with the homeless situation downtown, and over time, the failure
Speaker 7: to prosecute or deal with these low level offenses created
Speaker 7: a sense of lawlessness that brought the real bad actors
Speaker 7: with guns downtown. So we've seen that. But calling her
Speaker 7: ineffective because your policies were ineffective, I mean, that's ridiculous
Speaker 7: and this just isn't the way you do things. So ok,
Speaker 7: I used to run a big law firm and there
Speaker 7: were a couple of different instances where we had young
Speaker 7: lawyers who had who had done bad things, and we
Speaker 7: did an investigation and then we went to them and
Speaker 7: laid it out.
Speaker 4: And so you either.
Speaker 7: Resign or get fired, and here are your options. And
Speaker 7: here's what we found. Unless you have some answer, that's
Speaker 7: how it works. This is they're trying to make up
Speaker 7: a reason to fire her after that.
Speaker 2: Forgets yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And now we have a
Speaker 2: pattern of behavior, Steve Gooden, and when it's abuse of
Speaker 2: due process, let's go back to the July Street brawl
Speaker 2: where you had an individual white guy right who has
Speaker 2: started this whole thing allegedly, and then the city comes
Speaker 2: out and says, well, well, you know what, actually a
Speaker 2: minute forty six prior, they were the victim of some
Speaker 2: very extreme racial attacks and physical attacks and this was
Speaker 2: him bass So and you know, he had the ministers
Speaker 2: crying for Whitey to be charged all this stuff, and
Speaker 2: they do that and it's actually Adam Henny now the
Speaker 2: interim chief oddly enough, so you see there's some quid
Speaker 2: pro quote at least, and I'm not demeaning Chief Henny here.
Speaker 2: I understand it's a great cops cops cop, but again,
Speaker 2: playing the game is that now you cast dispersions on
Speaker 2: the integrity of the office, because like, if you're willing
Speaker 2: to write a ticket for something you didn't witness yourself,
Speaker 2: and the officers didn't want to get jammed up, and
Speaker 2: he said, I'll take the bullet from my officer so
Speaker 2: to speak, and write the citation that led to the charges.
Speaker 2: It's cut from the same cloth like, Okay, we're going
Speaker 2: to wait a month to charge someone, and pretty clearly
Speaker 2: it's someone who shouldn't be charged, but we're doing it
Speaker 2: because of political correctness and political expediency, just like we're
Speaker 2: doing now we have a trend now.
Speaker 7: Right Well yeah, I mean it's just what we've done
Speaker 7: here is just they're going to just undermines the sense
Speaker 7: of fairness and of law and order in the town.
Speaker 7: It really does look like the mayor and the city
Speaker 7: manager can say I want they charged, so they.
Speaker 4: Go back and charge them.
Speaker 7: Whether there's evidence or not, I don't know, but certainly
Speaker 7: you had a guy who an officer who signed the charge,
Speaker 7: who was not involved in the investigation, wasn't there, it
Speaker 7: hadn't interviewed the guy even apparently. And now you also
Speaker 7: have the scenario where they're saying, on these low level offenses,
Speaker 7: we don't want people charge.
Speaker 4: And how do you have a city that way.
Speaker 7: We have a charter that says our police chief and
Speaker 7: city manager is supposed to be independent above politics. They're
Speaker 7: supposed to be out there policing and do it, you know, working,
Speaker 7: going where the crime is, looking at real metrics and
Speaker 7: trying to figure out what to do. And that's what
Speaker 7: the neighborhoods are, you know, crying about, because I mean,
Speaker 7: I mean, we don't even trust I don't trust the
Speaker 7: data coming out of the police department in City Hall anymore.
Speaker 7: I think it's clearly been manipulated to make the gun
Speaker 7: violence look less. You know, from shots Boer, we're on
Speaker 7: track for twenty three thousand shots fire, but that isn't
Speaker 7: reflected in the other data.
Speaker 2: It's clear from the top right, I mean, the two examples.
Speaker 2: I game what you saided here too. It's like the
Speaker 2: mayor is deciding what justice looks like in I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but I wonder about those people who would support AFTAB
Speaker 2: perval and a heartbeat who are down marching at the
Speaker 2: No Kings rally. Isn't this what you're allegedly fighting against?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I mean, it could not be more
Speaker 7: perfect of an analogy between Donald Trump and AFTAB. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's exactly the same thing. It's just, you know, they're
Speaker 7: on different sides of the aisle politically, you know, but
Speaker 7: there is this sense on both sides that they are
Speaker 7: like busting through some of the norms you know that
Speaker 7: we have out there. Is the critique people make of
Speaker 7: Donald Trump is exactly the same critique that could be
Speaker 7: made of AFTAB, which is somebody who really just doesn't
Speaker 7: plan with the rules and I would go a step further.
Speaker 7: I mean, the thing that makes me the sickest is
Speaker 7: we've had mayors in the past who have kind of
Speaker 7: lost their way, but we've always had some diversity of
Speaker 7: thought on city Council and some people with backbone that
Speaker 7: we're willing to push back. These guys have been with
Speaker 7: maybe one exception in the last twenty four hours, no
Speaker 7: one's done anything. I mean, in the the old days,
Speaker 7: you know, Chris Smitherman or a Steve Gutten or even
Speaker 7: maybe Alassie somewhere you know, or you called someone like
Speaker 7: that would have called for a hearing right a public
Speaker 7: here to say like what happened here?
Speaker 4: They bring the chief, and they.
Speaker 7: Bring the city manager in and say like, hey, look,
Speaker 7: you know, with the cameras on, tell us what the
Speaker 7: hell is going on here where?
Speaker 4: You know? And they wouldn't have.
Speaker 7: Just accepted this nonsense day in and day out. So
Speaker 7: there's a lack of oversight from council that really really
Speaker 7: makes this even worse, because I mean, they have a
Speaker 7: role in this process. They can you know, they have
Speaker 7: the ability to shine a flashlight here and they are
Speaker 7: hiding under their desks.
Speaker 2: But I would point out that we're being told to
Speaker 2: add at nauseam from after a peer of all in others,
Speaker 2: this is not political. She's not a political scapegoat. The
Speaker 2: election has nothing to do with the decision. The decisions
Speaker 2: we take public safetyes are number one priorities. We're taking
Speaker 2: it seriously. This is not political all. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, she's not even fired. She's on paid administrative leave.
Speaker 2: And there's another part of the of the absurdity Steve Gooden,
Speaker 2: is that, all right, Thigi's on paid administrative got fired,
Speaker 2: she's had administrative leader. She's still in the paycheck while
Speaker 2: we investigate her over the next one. It's going to
Speaker 2: take months, apparently to solved this. Then why name a
Speaker 2: interim chief instead of an acting chief. If you're suspended,
Speaker 2: it's an acting chief. Like if someone's hurt. You know,
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco is the acting starting quarterback, he is not
Speaker 2: the interim starting There's a difference in a nuance. There
Speaker 2: is interim chief not acting. They essentially have given it like, well,
Speaker 2: we're done with the old chief. This is the innermundile.
Speaker 2: We find a new one. They've already stated that, and
Speaker 2: then they go back and go, well, no, she just
Speaker 2: doesn't leave.
Speaker 7: Well, you know what's so funny is he actually slipped
Speaker 7: up at one of his you know, he was sort
Speaker 7: of ambushed coming out of council chambers yesterday and I
Speaker 7: think it was Channel twelve or one of the other
Speaker 7: reporters asked him, you know some pretty tough questions. He said, well,
Speaker 7: whenever we move on and change leadership at a tough time.
Speaker 7: And I said, okay, so you're firing her. Oh no,
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that. You just said we're changing leadership.
Speaker 3: And it was like, you know, you're like you can't
Speaker 3: even keep.
Speaker 2: Your your Live Street interim in acting for god, so
Speaker 2: you don't even know what the adjectives you mean at
Speaker 2: this point. It's so comically bad in the in the
Speaker 2: sad part about this is all right, it's going to
Speaker 2: go on in for a months, okay, so put your
Speaker 2: political hat on here. A second, good and from the
Speaker 2: legal one, Okay, after the election, what happens, well.
Speaker 7: You know after the election, I mean Louell first, unfortunately,
Speaker 7: I see this dragging into the next year.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: And I mean I think number one, what the first
Speaker 7: one we got to watch for is what law firm
Speaker 7: they choose. So if they choose one of the go
Speaker 7: to law firms that have represented AFTAB and council in
Speaker 7: the past, and they've gotten in trouble, we're going to
Speaker 7: know the fixes in you know, I we're hoping to
Speaker 7: go with someone outside the area, if you have some
Speaker 7: integrity here, who might actually push back. But I wouldn't
Speaker 7: hold my breath for that. So Number one is we
Speaker 7: got to watch which law firm. If it's one of
Speaker 7: these like hyper connected democratic law firms, you know, then
Speaker 7: all bets are off as to what happens there. But
Speaker 7: I would expect us to drag on at least through
Speaker 7: the end of the year with us having a suspended
Speaker 7: chief and an interim chief and then some sort of
Speaker 7: a search. If there was any integrity here, they'd wait
Speaker 7: and see what the new council is going to look
Speaker 7: like so that they could have some input. But my
Speaker 7: guess is that there's going to be like a hurry
Speaker 7: up to try to resolve all this in December before
Speaker 7: anybody can come in and shine a.
Speaker 4: Light on it.
Speaker 2: How much longer is she under contract? How much as
Speaker 2: you do? How long does that last?
Speaker 7: My understanding is, and I haven't read it, but my
Speaker 7: recollection is that they renew it every two years. And
Speaker 7: that is where this gets funny from a legal standpoint,
Speaker 7: is that if you recall, we have this thing called
Speaker 7: Issue five that was passed back from two thousand and five,
Speaker 7: which is deeply unpopular with the FOP and probably is ripe.
Speaker 4: To be revisited.
Speaker 7: That kind of takes the chief out of some of
Speaker 7: for or most of the civil service protections. So the
Speaker 7: idea is that the Sydney Manager, with input from the mayor,
Speaker 7: actually could just fire the chief for cause. And that's
Speaker 7: in the charter and it spells it out pretty clearly
Speaker 7: that once you're in the job six months, it's kind
Speaker 7: of a probationary period. Could be fired for any reason.
Speaker 7: After six months, they have to actually prove that you've
Speaker 7: screwed something.
Speaker 4: Up for cause.
Speaker 7: But they are, on top of that, have apparently been
Speaker 7: issuing these two year contracts that somehow, you know, deal
Speaker 7: with compensation and so forth, and apparently there's language in
Speaker 7: there that contradicts the Charter. So that's why she's lawyered
Speaker 7: up and there's going to be some sort of a
Speaker 7: court battle about what her rights really are. And even
Speaker 7: this is a mess. I don't know how the law
Speaker 7: department allowed this to happen where you have something in
Speaker 7: the contract that I guess the contract doesn't mention her
Speaker 7: being fired for cause, but yet the charter says she is.
Speaker 7: They're in conflict, and it's the classic sort of thing
Speaker 7: that you end up, I hate to say it, having
Speaker 7: lawyers fight out in court in the fact that we're
Speaker 7: here and that we've been kind of doing business this
Speaker 7: way for years, you know, is just terrible. And again
Speaker 7: the taxpayers lose. I mean, this is going to cost
Speaker 7: every bit of a million dollars or about the salary
Speaker 7: and benefits of five to six police officers the time
Speaker 7: this is all said and done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a Steve Gooden counsel condidate, former councilman
Speaker 2: and a charter right Steve Gooden on the Ready Fire
Speaker 2: aim approach with Fiji. She is on paid administrative leave.
Speaker 2: They name an interim chief not acting interim, so there's
Speaker 2: confusion there. And now they're going to hire a law
Speaker 2: firm that could take months for them to investigate why
Speaker 2: they fired her in the first place. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: real life. That's really happening in the city right now
Speaker 2: with an election happening by the way, in just a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, and of course everyone is saying, I
Speaker 2: have to have on down. This is not political. Is
Speaker 2: it time for us to blow everything up? The way
Speaker 2: it works because we have a very inofficial if you
Speaker 2: live in Cincinnati, been here long til you kind of
Speaker 2: pay attention to it. But our government is so inefficient.
Speaker 2: And it starts the fact there's so much overlap between
Speaker 2: Hamlin County and the City of Cincinnati in fighting for
Speaker 2: their turf. Of course you see stadium issues and such,
Speaker 2: but even within the design itself. You know, you mentioned
Speaker 2: the contentious issue five, but also how council works, how
Speaker 2: the city manager in rates and all this stuff. Because
Speaker 2: there's cover for everyone involved. Her council can go, well,
Speaker 2: we have a strong mayor in the mayor goes, well,
Speaker 2: we've got a city manager, and the city manager says, well,
Speaker 2: we've got a mayor and a council. It's like no one,
Speaker 2: there's no one. The way we've got it wired right now,
Speaker 2: it strikes the average person like myself, Steve goodin that
Speaker 2: it's wired so there's no one accountable.
Speaker 7: Well, it's wired so that you end up with an
Speaker 7: absurd result and you know, and it would work. The
Speaker 7: current system would work. It's not perfect, but would work
Speaker 7: better if council would just step up, if we didn't
Speaker 7: have like a you know, an all a nine member
Speaker 7: politically ambitious Democratic city council who would actually step up
Speaker 7: and provide some of the oversight.
Speaker 2: That they are allowed to do.
Speaker 7: But I mean, to your larger point, I have always
Speaker 7: been somebody who has been pushing for at least some
Speaker 7: form of metro government so that we might actually find
Speaker 7: some of these efficiencies.
Speaker 2: I mean, even.
Speaker 7: Hyahoga County, even Cleveland has gone to a limited form
Speaker 7: of metro government, Indianapolis has, Louisville as I mean, it's
Speaker 7: it's ridiculous that we have all these turf battles. It's
Speaker 7: ridiculous that our departments don't work well together. And I
Speaker 7: mean back when I was in the prosecutors obviously as
Speaker 7: a young assistant prosecutor, back in two thousand and one,
Speaker 7: post to Timothy Thomas shooting and the riots that happened,
Speaker 7: we absolutely had a level of cooperation between the city
Speaker 7: and the county then that will be unheard of now.
Speaker 7: You know, we had Operation Vortex. You know they were
Speaker 7: doing gun and drug sweeps with CPD and Sheriff's patrols,
Speaker 7: I mean, and Ohio State Patrol and it was wonderful
Speaker 7: and it really made a difference. But now everyone is
Speaker 7: just in their silos and they don't cooperate at all,
Speaker 7: and it's really silly. And that's something that just desperately
Speaker 7: needs some fresh thought. And I can tell you this
Speaker 7: current crew or that's not where their head is. They're
Speaker 7: just all about protecting what they have rather than trying
Speaker 7: to look at what would actually serve the public bust.
Speaker 2: This is the maybe this is a catalyst for Steve.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying to be optimistic here.
Speaker 7: Well, well, I'm trying to be optimistic too, and I
Speaker 7: think another part of it is and I'm hoping this
Speaker 7: is the year and the time frame where some folks
Speaker 7: in the business community who I know have been talking
Speaker 7: for some time about metro government and substance of reforms.
Speaker 7: I know there's a working group down at the Chamber.
Speaker 7: It's very quiet that they've been looking at and studying
Speaker 7: and pushing these issues. And there's just got to come
Speaker 7: a time where we're not not just you know, the citizens,
Speaker 7: but the business community and all these other groups that
Speaker 7: kind of feed in, they have to speak up on
Speaker 7: this stuff too, I mean, because they have a right
Speaker 7: or wrong, a louder voice, and it's been very easy
Speaker 7: for them to kind of go along cynically and say, well, look,
Speaker 7: you know, I have to have very you know, he's
Speaker 7: going to win, it's a blue city, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 7: and just to go along to get along, and some
Speaker 7: people are going to have to stand up. I mean,
Speaker 7: you know, we've been our little group has been pretty
Speaker 7: fearless about speaking out on these issues this year. We've
Speaker 7: paid a price for it in terms of some lost
Speaker 7: friendships and broken business relationships. But that's fine. I mean,
Speaker 7: that's what it takes. We need more people to speak
Speaker 7: up and say this isn't working, we're not happy, we're
Speaker 7: not going to go along to get along. We need
Speaker 7: real substance of change, just at every step of the way.
Speaker 7: And it's just going to take some political courage and
Speaker 7: some personal courage, frankly, because you know, in this world
Speaker 7: of lobbyists and nonprofits and the people that really have
Speaker 7: a lot of voices at city hall, there's a lot
Speaker 7: of personal relationships and you have to be willing to
Speaker 7: just step on those at times if you're going to
Speaker 7: do the right thing.
Speaker 2: Gotch all right, he's a consul candidate, Steve Gooden. We'll
Speaker 2: see if this enacts any change. Probably not with the mayor,
Speaker 2: but I you know, ask others about the trickle down here,
Speaker 2: and I think it's I would think it's going to
Speaker 2: be substantial that somebody's going to pay for all this
Speaker 2: ineptitude that's happening at the hand of a f tab
Speaker 2: and cheer along and forts. It's probably gonna be some
Speaker 2: decent people on console for that matter. We'll see how
Speaker 2: it shakes out. Steve, all the best, and maybe you're
Speaker 2: part of that change, hopefully, and you can bring some
Speaker 2: of these ideas to fruition. All the best, man, have
Speaker 2: a great weekend. Thanks you two. Take care, take care.
Speaker 2: We got to get the news and we're in a return.
Speaker 2: We have fun because it's Friday. A little heavy for
Speaker 2: a Friday. I apologize. But the insanity what's happening in
Speaker 2: the city is it's unprecedented. It really really is. Austin
Speaker 2: Elmore from ESPN fifteen thirty jumps in. Next. We'll talk football, football,
Speaker 2: and more football, plus the NBA scandal the latest on
Speaker 2: that next seven hundred WW Scott Flund show. The music
Speaker 2: needs one thing orange synthesizers in Austin Elmore. That's what
Speaker 2: I think of when I hear this sees Austin More
Speaker 2: from ESPN fifteen thirty. Since he three sixty is the show?
Speaker 2: Tony Pike not anymore. It's not since he three sixty anymore? Wait,
Speaker 2: because he was fired for a week. Now we it's
Speaker 2: Tony Pikes since e three to sixty. Oh, Tony, what's
Speaker 2: the name of the show. How do you feel about
Speaker 2: being now relegated the fifth wheel and still the second
Speaker 2: My exact.
Speaker 9: Words to management were, I'm pissed about this. Yeah, and
Speaker 9: they said life's not fair. That's what they told you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh okay, good, Well guess what. They're not wrong.
Speaker 2: You're You're on You're right now, You're on this show
Speaker 2: on l W. And Tony's not about that. On the
Speaker 2: other hand, he's going to be inducted to the UC
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame later today. I know. I am looking
Speaker 2: forward to that. It's before it. I'll have later out
Speaker 2: of the show to talk. It's a great weekend though,
Speaker 2: because like the Pike's doing that and you've got lap
Speaker 2: going in.
Speaker 9: It's it's awesome. And the weather it looks like it's
Speaker 9: going to be pretty good. I love a four o'clock
Speaker 9: start at Nippert. That's going to be beautiful. I'm come up
Speaker 9: against Baylor. Yeah, it's it's gonna be a fun weekend.
Speaker 9: I have a hankering to go to the Bengals game.
Speaker 9: I don't know why, but like, I really just want
Speaker 9: to go. You know, I know why. You just expected
Speaker 9: it to be a beatdown. No, I don't, No, I don't.
Speaker 9: I don't expect that. Well, let's jump into that. Let's
Speaker 9: start before we get into all that stuff. First of all,
Speaker 9: reaction to the NBA scandal yesterday. I'll give you my
Speaker 9: take whatever that might be on it. But I'm curious
Speaker 9: this thing holds it And I've just talked about this.
Speaker 9: To me, it's not that a broke, it's when it broke, Yeah,
Speaker 9: right after the start of the season, like the day after.
Speaker 2: It overshadowed Opening Day basically so well.
Speaker 9: And I think what we've learned so far already is
Speaker 9: that the NBA knew about this and swept it under
Speaker 9: the rug.
Speaker 2: And that tells me the Trump administration said, watch this
Speaker 2: we're going to ruin opening week maybe because it's been
Speaker 2: going on for years, Why do it that day? Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 9: And obviously there's this belief that Gilbert Arenas, who was
Speaker 9: the first arrest in this, snitched on everybody back in July.
Speaker 9: And so you could say that, Okay, well, over the
Speaker 9: last couple of months, they've been getting their p's and
Speaker 9: q's in order and getting this case strong so that
Speaker 9: they can go and you know, do this whole thing. Ye,
Speaker 9: Or you can say they knew this whole time what
Speaker 9: was going to happen, and so we're going to do
Speaker 9: it to ruin the NBA.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 9: So I don't know that it matters that much as
Speaker 9: much as the truth matters here, and the truth is
Speaker 9: that the NBA has a gambling problem. This is not
Speaker 9: the first time that this has happened. And you know,
Speaker 9: you don't see this issue in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 9: You've started to see it a little bit in Major Baseball.
Speaker 9: You don't see it in hockey. You haven't seen it
Speaker 9: at the college level to this point. The NBA has
Speaker 9: an issue specifically with this, and I think part of
Speaker 9: it is you play eighty two games, there's so many
Speaker 9: singular prop bets. There's so many different ways to manipulate it.
Speaker 9: But the sports books know, and the sports books knew
Speaker 9: about Terry Rozier right away, and the NBA came up
Speaker 9: with this fake injury and he stopped playing, and they
Speaker 9: knew about it and swept it under the rug. Come
Speaker 9: to find out, it goes deeper with ties to a
Speaker 9: crime family and high stakes poker games and these elite
Speaker 9: level boards and sunglasses.
Speaker 2: And a car table X ray table. I'm going to
Speaker 2: Watson's like.
Speaker 9: It goes so deep, and it's just it's not a
Speaker 9: good thing for the NBA.
Speaker 2: It's not And here's that. And that's why I think
Speaker 2: is like the NBA did investigation on Rogier, right, It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it had nothing to see here, And then the FBI
Speaker 2: is probably saying they're like, yeah, now the FB like
Speaker 2: did they were they incompetent investigation or did they just
Speaker 2: simply go, hey, man, the money's rolling in. We don't
Speaker 2: want to we don't need controversy. And I think that's
Speaker 2: why they did this the day after in an overshadowed
Speaker 2: opening week. It took all the steam out of that
Speaker 2: engine that the big build up for the NBA season,
Speaker 2: and I think that was to send a message and
Speaker 2: politics aside.
Speaker 9: I have no problem with that because there is no
Speaker 9: place because I love the NBA. I watched the NBA.
Speaker 9: There's no place for that, and you've got to get
Speaker 9: it buttoned up. This is one of the concerns that
Speaker 9: people had from the very beginning. So the NBA is
Speaker 9: I'm sure feeling the pressure from the sports books in
Speaker 9: and of itself, and they're probably like, Hey, aren't you
Speaker 9: gonna do anything about this? And they're like, no, we're good.
Speaker 9: Well it's like, hello, you're messing with our business. So
Speaker 9: then you get the FBI involved. I'm sure the other
Speaker 9: leagues are not happy with the NBA two because now
Speaker 9: doubt starts to creep into everything that had Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think the other element is people are
Speaker 2: making this is the in the integrity of sports with
Speaker 2: gambling and college like you've always had that, you're still
Speaker 2: gonna have it. And look at how he got caught right,
Speaker 2: it was it was a professional gambler. It's putting all
Speaker 2: this money in Rogier that basically betting the under knowing
Speaker 2: that he was going to leave the game, and it
Speaker 2: set off all these signals are off of the sports
Speaker 2: books and kind of like remember the UC scandal what
Speaker 2: you see was named in it with the Alabama baseball coach.
Speaker 2: Sure that happened the summer at GABP. I was just
Speaker 2: talking about that going It's the same thing. Were like,
Speaker 2: this guy put one hundred thousand dollars on an Alabama
Speaker 2: baseball game for the picture for them to way because
Speaker 2: they knew the starting pitcher was gonna eat pinch. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's what else is new?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: So anyway, let's move on to football. You see Tony
Speaker 2: Pike Day at at Nipperts Stadium as home coming, and
Speaker 2: of course normally we talk about Baylor, we think about
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament and basketball, not so much with football.
Speaker 2: I will say though, that you look at their record
Speaker 2: and you look it up, they're still putting up with
Speaker 2: thirty six points, so you know, and UC's defense is
Speaker 2: certainly not the best it's ever been. High scoring game.
Speaker 9: You think on something, I think you see defenses a
Speaker 9: work in progress, and they're an entirely different defense without
Speaker 9: Dante Corleone on the field, and they have to do
Speaker 9: a better job of adjusting because teams are taking advantage
Speaker 9: of that defense when he's not on the field. And
Speaker 9: Baylor specifically as one of the best passing offenses in
Speaker 9: the NFL or in the in the country in college football,
Speaker 9: So they are going to try to air it out.
Speaker 9: They're gonna try to use play action, They're gonna try
Speaker 9: to get those linebackers out of position, and it's not
Speaker 9: it's gonna be a challenge for you.
Speaker 2: Six Saturday.
Speaker 9: Brendan Sowersby is playing like one of the best quarterbacks
Speaker 9: in the country eighteen to one touchdown to interception ratio.
Speaker 9: He's been able to move the ball with his feet
Speaker 9: outside the pocket. He's finally got weapons that he can
Speaker 9: get the ball to on the outside. They're they're playing
Speaker 9: as good as they have under Scott's sadderfield altogether. I
Speaker 9: think their special teams has been pretty solid as well.
Speaker 9: So Bearcats are favored. I expect them to win. And yeah,
Speaker 9: it's gonna be a fun weekend with Tony going into
Speaker 9: the Hall of Fame tonight and a few others and
Speaker 9: they're all being honored and there's a big parade tomorrow
Speaker 9: before the game as well that Tony's gonna be the
Speaker 9: Grand Marshagans they're taking.
Speaker 2: It's in front of day Open giant inflatable, real size
Speaker 2: Tony Pike head. Well, I don't know if they make
Speaker 2: them that big.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: And speaking of honoring people, are Tony Pike and our
Speaker 2: Dave Lapham gets it on Sunday a ring of honor
Speaker 2: and the three and four Bengals trying to get to
Speaker 2: an even five hundred six and a half point favorites
Speaker 2: the dog of the league, the New York Football Jets
Speaker 2: are in with their oh to seven record, and you know,
Speaker 2: you look at it on page it's a it's a
Speaker 2: total mismatch, especially considering the injuries that a bad Jets
Speaker 2: team has on top of this.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless it's still an seven team. It's cornering an
Speaker 2: injured dog, so to speak. You gotta watch out. Yeah.
Speaker 9: And historically the Bengals, coming off of the quote unquote
Speaker 9: many bye are not very good. I believe they've lost
Speaker 9: nine straight games following a Thursday game over the last
Speaker 9: ten seasons. Now, in their last ten Thursday games, they're
Speaker 9: six and four, So they've been good at that, but
Speaker 9: they've almost always followed it up with the loss. They
Speaker 9: have to avoid that against the Jets. On Sunday. My
Speaker 9: biggest issue with the Bengals right now is even if
Speaker 9: the Jets are hurt, and even if they're zero and seven,
Speaker 9: and even if you don't know who their quarterback is,
Speaker 9: if you don't tackle, you will get beat. Like their
Speaker 9: defense is good enough to keep them in the game
Speaker 9: even with the injuries, but you have got to get
Speaker 9: your defense off the field. If you're the Bengals. What
Speaker 9: are the three biggest issues with the Bengals. They have
Speaker 9: a bad offensive line, they have a bad defensive line,
Speaker 9: and they can't tackle. It doesn't matter who you play
Speaker 9: in the National Football League. Those three things will get
Speaker 9: you beat.
Speaker 4: Got it?
Speaker 9: So the offensive line trending in the right direction, defensive
Speaker 9: line you think will be better with Trey hendrickson coming back.
Speaker 9: You have got to tackle or you will lose. You
Speaker 9: can't overlook this game. You can't start looking ahead to Chicago.
Speaker 9: You can't have a hangover after you beat the Steelers
Speaker 9: on a Thursday night. Hopefully a normal week with the
Speaker 9: Bengals offense and with Joe Flacco and maybe a little
Speaker 9: bit of clarity on what this defense wants to do
Speaker 9: and if they're a little healthier, can mean that the
Speaker 9: Bengals start to turn it in the right direction. But
Speaker 9: those things, especially the tackling the last two weeks nineteen
Speaker 9: misstackles against the Green Bay Packers, double digits again against
Speaker 9: the Pittsburgh Steelers. That cannot happen. That is a red
Speaker 9: flag for the Bengals. Cray is limited with the hip.
Speaker 9: Does it make sense that you could still win this
Speaker 9: game with Shamar and there? I mean, granted, now he's
Speaker 9: not played up to where he should be or expected
Speaker 9: being even by those admission he hasn't either. But it
Speaker 9: feels to me, with the limited weapons that they have,
Speaker 9: and now Tyrod Taylor, who's going to be a pocket,
Speaker 9: it seems to me like you can win without Trey.
Speaker 2: Being in there.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you would think so, or if this makes sense
Speaker 9: to rest him again, I don't know that I would
Speaker 9: do that. Trey will want to play and part of
Speaker 9: his contract involves playtime, so him missing one game, he's
Speaker 9: not going to want to do that. But at the
Speaker 9: bare minimum, I would like to see him in at
Speaker 9: pass rushing downs. You know, much like the Packers at
Speaker 9: the beginning of the season with Michael Parsons, he had
Speaker 9: that back injury. He only really came out on the
Speaker 9: field on third downs, third and five or longer. And
Speaker 9: so maybe we'll see that type of thing from Trey
Speaker 9: Hendrickson and redoce that workload a little bit, because Shamar
Speaker 9: needs more reps and I give him a little bit
Speaker 9: of grace coming off the ankle injury against the Steelers
Speaker 9: last week, but he's got to start making some noise.
Speaker 2: Nobody else really is now.
Speaker 9: I will say this, Joseph Osai has really ticked up
Speaker 9: over the last couple of games. He's starting to trend
Speaker 9: in the right direction. One of the league leaders in
Speaker 9: pressures right now. So if Osai can stay consistent much
Speaker 9: like he was the final five games of last year
Speaker 9: with Trey, with Shamar, you might start to have something.
Speaker 9: You're gonna have to run game. I have a run game.
Speaker 2: Mean, Chase Brown put up ridiculous numbers last week. Didn't
Speaker 2: No one saw that comings They've been so bad all
Speaker 2: year and then just absolutely flashes. You probably don't have
Speaker 2: to put that kind of performance in simply because mentioned
Speaker 2: the injury bug. I was kind of looking forward to
Speaker 2: seeing Sauce against our number ones, right Chase on twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, when he came in the league. It's like, here,
Speaker 2: do you see guy homecoming weekend and be a great story.
Speaker 2: He comes in, he shut Chase down last time, while
Speaker 2: he do it again this week, so he is out.
Speaker 2: You look at their secondary, the guy I will forget
Speaker 2: what his name, other corner he's got to I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna play. They're so banged up. But the point
Speaker 2: is he's just gonna air the ball out. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can need a little run game to balance with Flacco,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he's just gonna pass them, cut them up.
Speaker 9: I would expect the Bengals to try to keep it
Speaker 9: going with that, that run game that they found against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 9: I think they want to really double down on that
Speaker 9: and establish that because you can see how that opens
Speaker 9: up the rest of the offense. And the Bengals had
Speaker 9: a big tendency breaker against the Steelers, which is when
Speaker 9: they went under center, they did a couple I think
Speaker 9: four straight drop back passes, which means when they're under center,
Speaker 9: previously it was either they run the ball or they
Speaker 9: play action. Now two step, three step drop ball out
Speaker 9: of the hands of Joe Flacco. Defenses had to be
Speaker 9: prepared for that. That opens up parts of the offense
Speaker 9: as well, and it especially opens up parts of that
Speaker 9: run game. I saw some creativity in that run game.
Speaker 9: I saw some execution. Dalton Reisner at left guard. Don't
Speaker 9: know if he's going to start. Zach Taylor hasn't said
Speaker 9: going to be, but Dalton Reisner over the course of
Speaker 9: his career has played left guard more and he looked
Speaker 9: a lot more comfortable there against the Pittsburgh and good
Speaker 9: correct So I could see Zach Taylor saying, Okay, I'm
Speaker 9: gonna stick with what's working here. If we're able to
Speaker 9: run the ball effectively with this grouping, let's stick with
Speaker 9: that and see how it goes.
Speaker 2: Now, are they do?
Speaker 9: They have a short leash like Jalen Rivers who is
Speaker 9: struggling in pass protection, maybe especially if there's a situation
Speaker 9: where the Bengals have to throw the ball. But I
Speaker 9: think Zach will lean into that run game to try
Speaker 9: to really get some confidence and some consistency in that
Speaker 9: unit going, and then that will open up the pass game,
Speaker 9: much like you saw against.
Speaker 2: Yea and Dylan Fairshat and always hurt coming back off
Speaker 2: that and what pieces he puts together for for this
Speaker 2: Jets game. But he has options there as they start
Speaker 2: to hopefully it looks like they're turning the corner. But
Speaker 2: the Jets, you know, as a bad team to begin with,
Speaker 2: you got you got Tyrod Taylor in there. You don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about Justin Field's running all over you.
Speaker 2: Tyrod's gonna be a pocket guy at this state of
Speaker 2: the game. Joe Flacco gets to play another old quarterback.
Speaker 2: They were teammates fourteen years ago. It's insane in twenty
Speaker 2: eleven to Rod Taylor and Joe Flacco were teammates with
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens. Isn't that crazy that they're both still
Speaker 2: doing it? Yeah, they really are. Yeah, but you don't
Speaker 2: want to look past it. They're owing seven like you
Speaker 2: should die.
Speaker 9: And I think the message from from Zach Taylor should
Speaker 9: be this week, Hey, all the crap that we've went
Speaker 9: to went through, and we're going to getting forty year
Speaker 9: old quarterback and Joe Burrow is still hurt. We still
Speaker 9: have a chance to be five hundred and two and
Speaker 9: zero in our division at home over the next couple
Speaker 9: of weeks, and we can get the five hundred before
Speaker 9: the bye. That should be the message. Everything you want
Speaker 9: is still right in front of you. And I think
Speaker 9: the confidence of going and beating the Pittsburgh Steelers, the
Speaker 9: way that they played in that second half against Green Bay.
Speaker 9: I think this team has more confidence now than they've
Speaker 9: had at any point since Burrow got hurt, and that
Speaker 9: I think is a good thing. But you just want
Speaker 9: to avoid that hangover and say, okay, listen, you got
Speaker 9: to get to four and four so that you have
Speaker 9: a chance to get to five and four before the bid.
Speaker 2: Chicago is a good team. We'll talk about that next week.
Speaker 2: That could be the trap there.
Speaker 9: But that's the thing is you're gonna play a lot
Speaker 9: of good teams between now at the end of the season.
Speaker 9: There's a stretch there with Buffalo and Baltimore twice and
Speaker 9: New England is really coming on strong. So these games
Speaker 9: are very, very very important if you're continuing to try
Speaker 9: to buy some time for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: We're also heading close to the trade deadline, and I
Speaker 2: you know, bring up the Logan Wilson thing and every
Speaker 2: year you have teams at the and I get it, man,
Speaker 2: you know, here's a guy, he's what is late twenties,
Speaker 2: twenty nine, I think, and he wants to play and
Speaker 2: they got rookies in there, he's not playing, and so
Speaker 2: he had played. They sat him at Green Bay last week,
Speaker 2: and you're looking for a new home, so you know,
Speaker 2: I know that a lot has been made. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's controversial. I think that's just the NFL and
Speaker 2: he'll end up somewhere else.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a lot of guys that have asked for
Speaker 9: trades over the last couple of years with the Bengals,
Speaker 9: and none of them have gotten traded. So I don't
Speaker 9: know that it means all that much. It's a smart
Speaker 9: move for him because you're two weeks out of the
Speaker 9: trade deadline and they clearly don't plan on playing you
Speaker 9: a significant amount. And there are some linebacker needy teams
Speaker 9: out there, the Dallas Cowboys, the forty nine ers. You
Speaker 9: obviously think of the fit of him and Louen or
Speaker 9: Rumo in Indianapolis. There are some other teams out there that, Okay,
Speaker 9: they might pick up the phone and call for Logan Wilson,
Speaker 9: But the Bengals, as far as I'm concerned, the depth
Speaker 9: at that position is still a major issue. You know,
Speaker 9: outside of Logan Wilson, it's Shaka Hayward and Orrin Burks,
Speaker 9: and you don't really want to have to turn to
Speaker 9: those guys in the biggest moments.
Speaker 2: Austin Elmore today ESPN fifteenth thirty, Tony Pike, since E
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Speaker 2: the home of the best Bengals coverage seven hundred WW Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: It's got a flum show on seven hundred WLW. The
Speaker 2: National Football League it is a monster, and that I
Speaker 2: think really diminishes what it is. I wish I could
Speaker 2: come up with a better adjective because I think about it,
Speaker 2: you know, yea, how big soccer is in racing and tennis,
Speaker 2: and the NFL generates more revenue than any other league
Speaker 2: in the world, and it's nearly all domestic if you
Speaker 2: think about it. As far as TV shows go. NFL
Speaker 2: counted for seventy the top one hundred broadcasts in the
Speaker 2: United States last year twenty three billion in revenue. The
Speaker 2: Bengals and the all the other thirty one teams get
Speaker 2: over four hundred and thirty million dollars a year back
Speaker 2: from the NFL from TV revenue and all everything involved there.
Speaker 2: And there are three powerful figures that got us to
Speaker 2: where we are today. Is one of them Paul Brown.
Speaker 2: Let me ask Ken ken Belson. He's a veteran NFL
Speaker 2: business reporter with the New York Times, has the book
Speaker 2: out every day is Sunday, and Ken, welcome, How are
Speaker 2: you very good?
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we live in Cincinnati where Paul Brown still casts
Speaker 2: the shadow. I think you know the person who is
Speaker 2: essentially one of the cornerstones in the Mount Rushmore of
Speaker 2: the early NFL. But we're not talking about that. We're
Speaker 2: talking over the last couple of decades and how it
Speaker 2: became such a revenue monster. And the three people responsible
Speaker 2: are whom.
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones and I started the book in the early nineties.
Speaker 4: So just as a reference for it, if we're going
Speaker 4: to expand Mount Rushmore, Paul Brown would most definitely be
Speaker 4: on it. But Jerry Jones, Robert Craft and now Roger Goodell,
Speaker 4: and I'm talking dollars and sometimes common sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look at that line. Go well, Jerry Jones
Speaker 2: came in prior to Robert Craft, I believe, and Roger
Speaker 2: Goodell of course the last commissioner. So let's start with
Speaker 2: the time. Let's start with Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4: Sure, Jerry came in eighty nine. The Cowboys, which used
Speaker 4: to be America's team self proclaimed, of course, you know,
Speaker 4: were flat on their back. They were losing a million
Speaker 4: dollars a month. And he revived what was then the
Speaker 4: premieer brand of the seventies, and all those Landry Stylebach teams,
Speaker 4: he revived them. He brought money in Glymer and Glitz back,
Speaker 4: and of course won three Super Bowls. But his big contribution,
Speaker 4: at least from where I sick writing the book looking
Speaker 4: at the League overall, was he was the first to
Speaker 4: look at the TV kind of tracts, which back then
Speaker 4: was CBS, ABC, NBC. There were only three bidders. It
Speaker 4: was a cozy club art model of the Browns used
Speaker 4: to run the the broadcasting contract. And Jerry, you know,
Speaker 4: as an entrepreneur, said why don't we have a fourth bidder,
Speaker 4: Why don't we get an auction going, which is also
Speaker 4: business common sense yep. So he invited in a fellow
Speaker 4: named Rupert Murdoch, who was desperate for sports, to put
Speaker 4: Fox on the map and to get affiliates to switch
Speaker 4: over to him, and it worked. He blew a CBS
Speaker 4: out of the water. CBS learned its lesson, came back
Speaker 4: four years later and paid twice as much for the
Speaker 4: AFC package. And so Jerry really brought that kind of
Speaker 4: businessman's instinct, also a bit of a wildcatter's instinct. He
Speaker 4: started marketing the cowboys every which way and that pissed
Speaker 4: off a lot of old owners. But yeah, he, as
Speaker 4: Carmen Polosy said, he taught us how to make money.
Speaker 4: That's what Jerry goes.
Speaker 5: He really did.
Speaker 2: I mean, think how you monetized the cheerleaders too. Had said, hey,
Speaker 2: you know Sexel sex Adalla's cowboy chelers are a huge
Speaker 2: thing in the seventies, had a TV show and everything.
Speaker 2: So he was squeezing every possible nickel out and this
Speaker 2: precipitated the era that we're in right now with the flamboyants,
Speaker 2: the media presence, the monetization of everything. So how does
Speaker 2: that then lead into Robert Craft? How did what did
Speaker 2: he add to the mix?
Speaker 4: Well, Robert came in very much like Jerry. He paid
Speaker 4: record amount for a really bad team. The Patriots were
Speaker 4: always at the bottom of the league financially and usually
Speaker 4: in the standings as well, and he, you know, again
Speaker 4: set out to revive it. He built a new stadium
Speaker 4: eventually and then built real estate around it and went
Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl, as we all know. But again
Speaker 4: he got very involved in league business and also on
Speaker 4: the media side. He had owned part owned a CBS
Speaker 4: affiliate in Boston, so he already had really good contact
Speaker 4: with Les Moonbez and Melk Camisan and these guys. And
Speaker 4: you know, he was the guy who brought CBS back
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety six and they, as I said, they
Speaker 4: did twice as much for what was considered back then.
Speaker 4: The AFC package was considered less prestigious. So Robert also
Speaker 4: had that instinct we all need to we need to
Speaker 4: lift all both. We can't just focus on our own
Speaker 4: teams in our own markets. And you know, Jerry in
Speaker 4: various places has picked on the Browns, the Brown family,
Speaker 4: and the Bengals because they weren't carrying or he felt
Speaker 4: they weren't carrying their weight. But his argument was, look,
Speaker 4: if we juice up the marketing, you know, everybody should
Speaker 4: be able to sell in their own markets and make
Speaker 4: extra money. But you know, some of the older teams
Speaker 4: are the older owners. They this wasn't how they did business.
Speaker 4: So there was a good culture clash, and it's a good one.
Speaker 4: But there was a culture class in the nineties that
Speaker 4: now is just taken for granted. Everybody's in it to make.
Speaker 2: Money, yeah, and it really has. And I think Bob
Speaker 2: Kraft and he had a hand in launching NFL Network
Speaker 2: and Sunday Ticket and all those things we just take
Speaker 2: for granted. But that was largely out of the mind
Speaker 2: of Bob Craft, wasn't it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely? And you know, Bob still called Robert. He still
Speaker 4: goes to the Allen and Company, you know confab out
Speaker 4: Idaho every summer. He's you know, shoulders with NBC. All
Speaker 4: the networks come to see and go through Bob Craft.
Speaker 4: The big Sunday ticket renewal with YouTube when they switched
Speaker 4: over to YouTube was over two billion dollars a year,
Speaker 4: more than double what had been paid. And again, Craft
Speaker 4: was very instrumental in that in some ways. Really interestingly,
Speaker 4: Jerry and Robert compete against each other for who gets
Speaker 4: credit for all this and they so I guess their
Speaker 4: egos also put them up on the Mount rushmore.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Paul Brown begets Jerry Jones, a big gess
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft to So where does that go?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 2: If that that lineage, you can get Bob Kraft, Getrie Jones.
Speaker 2: Who's the next I guess revolutionary? If you will change
Speaker 2: into the NFL, strights ownership goes which owner?
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like we're entering NFL three point zero here.
Speaker 4: You know where teams are even now like lifestyle brands,
Speaker 4: they're becoming you know, real estate play. They're becoming literally communities.
Speaker 4: You look at what's happening in Nashville. They're building townhouses
Speaker 4: next to NFL stadiums. It used to be I mean,
Speaker 4: you know this every fan does. Stadiums used to be
Speaker 4: out in the suburbs and they were just surrounded by
Speaker 4: miles of parking lots. Kansas City still has that, and
Speaker 4: teams are realizing, Boy, our brands are so powerful. We
Speaker 4: could sell pretty much anything because fans want to be
Speaker 4: sort of close to it, and Baseball has done a
Speaker 4: good job of it over the years. You know, building
Speaker 4: stadiums in cities. You know, family was sort of grandfarthered
Speaker 4: in even my beloved vents. You know, they're now putting
Speaker 4: a soccer stadium across the street and apartments. But football's
Speaker 4: been slow to them, partly because of the size of
Speaker 4: the stadiums and just the infrequency of the number of games.
Speaker 2: But there there is a scary city with the NFL, right,
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is amazing part about this is
Speaker 2: they did this is a baseball or hockey or the NBA.
Speaker 2: This is like seventeen weeks. Eighteen weeks, you're beginning, ending,
Speaker 2: and done. And that's an incredibly small amount of time
Speaker 2: to generate this kind of revenue. You're right about the bomb. Mean,
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati, you know, you can get a place
Speaker 2: overlooking Great American Ballpark. So he's Ken Belson. He writes
Speaker 2: for the New York Times vetric Reporter every day a Sunday.
Speaker 2: How Jerry Jones, Robert Craft and Roger Goodell turned the
Speaker 2: NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut. It's fascinating. So
Speaker 2: we get to Roger Goodell, now Ken and his target
Speaker 2: going in when he took office, I think in twenty
Speaker 2: oh six, he wanted to triple the NFL revenue to
Speaker 2: twenty five billion by twenty twenty seven. I said in
Speaker 2: the open last year they did twenty three billion. He's
Speaker 2: not on target, he's over target.
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, and it was audacious when he made
Speaker 4: that prediction to the owners. He was a relatively new
Speaker 4: commissioner then, but he wanted to show the owners what
Speaker 4: he was about. He was working on behalf of them
Speaker 4: in the thirty two and you know, as he knows,
Speaker 4: he knows who pays his salary. And if you said
Speaker 4: an aggressive target, even the owners in the room that
Speaker 4: I spoke with were shaking their saying, how are we
Speaker 4: going to get there? That's up billion dollars a year
Speaker 4: for fifteen some odd years. That's that's pretty audacious. And
Speaker 4: the league back then was maybe ten billion dollars. So
Speaker 4: he did it. He did it through TV deals, not
Speaker 4: just Roger, of course, but he sets the tone in
Speaker 4: the building, not just for the media deals that the
Speaker 4: owners negotiate, but the sponsorships. You look now, of course
Speaker 4: you got Verizon and Pepsi. There's a new official bank EA,
Speaker 4: the game company. They keep splicing, slicing it a little
Speaker 4: thinner and finding new ways to market. And you know
Speaker 4: it used to be and have a drink, Well, now
Speaker 4: there's the official rum sponsor, the official bost sponsor. So
Speaker 4: they're finding money in new places and look, brands want
Speaker 4: to be associated with the league and many sports.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, Ken, how has international expansion worked? Is that
Speaker 2: the future? Because it seems they're really pushing it. It's
Speaker 2: hard to tell me. You have a lot of expats attending
Speaker 2: games in London and elsewhere, and you're trying it in
Speaker 2: different countries and in different continents. Is that the future
Speaker 2: of the NFL?
Speaker 4: It's one future of the NFL. I think there's something
Speaker 4: of a misconception that you know, this is like gravy
Speaker 4: on top of you know, an already robust domestic market.
Speaker 4: But the reality is they need to look overseas. The
Speaker 4: growth rate in America is population growth rate is slowing.
Speaker 4: You know, the concussion issue has turned some parents away
Speaker 4: from football, and you know, many many studies have shown
Speaker 4: that what sport you play as a kid is going
Speaker 4: to turn you into a fan later in life. So
Speaker 4: if you play grow up playing a little league baseball, you're
Speaker 4: more likely to be a baseball fan. Of course, you
Speaker 4: like many sports, but your primary sport. So the NFL
Speaker 4: needs young kids playing the game. And that's where Flag
Speaker 4: comes in obviously, because it's a cheap way to start
Speaker 4: kids out on football and also to reassure parents. But
Speaker 4: it's also why the NFL is looking overseas. They need
Speaker 4: new fans, new markets, new media deals, new sponsors, and
Speaker 4: so they using flag because outside of North America probably Germany,
Speaker 4: really not many people play it. So they have to
Speaker 4: educate fans. So I see international as much as a
Speaker 4: necessity as a luxury, and that's why we're seeing all
Speaker 4: these extra games being added. Roger Goodell see apparently they
Speaker 4: want to add two more international games next year. Eventually
Speaker 4: they'll get to basically one every week by the time
Speaker 4: they're done with it.
Speaker 2: And that seems like, I think of your football fan here,
Speaker 2: it just seems like that in no way the Europeans
Speaker 2: a British state, they don't really care about American football that.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't that long ago. Mostly under Roger Goodell,
Speaker 2: we said the same thing about female fans. It's a
Speaker 2: bunch of guys watching the women go and shop and
Speaker 2: make dinner or whatever. You know. Back of the seventies,
Speaker 2: SAJ think and now just as many women is matter
Speaker 2: watching football. How do they pull that one off?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a very deliberate long term strategy. Flag
Speaker 4: is one way to teach the game to fans who
Speaker 4: aren't interested in you know, option plays and or pos
Speaker 4: and all this other stuff, but they want they see
Speaker 4: the basics. I think they've been very good the branding
Speaker 4: of the league. I'm not just talking about preast cancer awareness,
Speaker 4: but literally the fashion items. If you go on NFL
Speaker 4: dot com, there's a lot of women's uh that lean
Speaker 4: into the women's fashion as well. Uh. And trying to
Speaker 4: make it sort of more fan friendly. The game day experience.
Speaker 4: I mean the days when you would tailgate, drink a
Speaker 4: six pack of beer and go with your buddies. They're
Speaker 4: trying to make it so you can bring your kids
Speaker 4: to the game and your wife, maybe your girlfriend, So
Speaker 4: softening the sport a little bit. Not like the old
Speaker 4: dog Pound in the municipal stadium, you know she was
Speaker 4: was It wasn't even fan friendly, but uh yeah it
Speaker 4: was kind of a rough out there. So yeah, So
Speaker 4: I think these are all very deliberate efforts to sort
Speaker 4: of broaden the audience because the older fans, I mean
Speaker 4: not one of them, we're aging out. Younger kids want
Speaker 4: an experience. This isn't just true of football, but many sports.
Speaker 4: They're looking for the experience, not so much looking for
Speaker 4: a season package. They're by the jersey, but you need
Speaker 4: a Joe Burrow, you know, you need some star pal.
Speaker 4: And then the NFL has picked up on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think maybe still a little bit from
Speaker 2: the NBA speaking of that. Of course, you know, we
Speaker 2: have controversies right and navigating and can suck concussion lawsuits
Speaker 2: and CTE and the flight date and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: NFL is really really good about handling criseses and flare
Speaker 2: ups like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. One of the themes in the book is you
Speaker 4: see over and over the Ray Rice issue, the bullying scandal,
Speaker 4: the de fight, to a certain degree, deflacate the social
Speaker 4: justice protests in twenty seventeen. The NFL is kind of
Speaker 4: a deck at identifying the problem, trying to minimize the risk,
Speaker 4: usually with lawyers. Concussion crisis another example of this, and
Speaker 4: then trying to turn the focus back to number one
Speaker 4: quote what they call solutions, say for helmets, neurologists on
Speaker 4: the sidelines, and then trying to pivot forward, you know,
Speaker 4: and rebranding the game. They know, like it's you and
Speaker 4: I would understand, anybody would understand it. It's all about
Speaker 4: the games. Once the games start, people are hooked, particularly
Speaker 4: late in the season, and so they try and address
Speaker 4: these problems so they can quickly pivot back to the football,
Speaker 4: the action on the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ken, what do you see as the biggest threat
Speaker 2: to the NFL over the next decade? Is it health?
Speaker 2: Is in fan engagement? Something else?
Speaker 4: You know. The players now see gambling very differently. Many
Speaker 4: of them have grown up as adults after sports legalized
Speaker 4: sports gambling. You know, sports gambling was legalized nationally, so
Speaker 4: they don't have the same Alex karras Paul Hornig, you know,
Speaker 4: Pete Rose stigma, right, and it's mean as more entertainment.
Speaker 4: And I think players are going to unwittingly walk into
Speaker 4: some of these traps and not fully grasp what's going on.
Speaker 4: The Other thing is FELP funds. This is both good
Speaker 4: in bad. You can watch your favorite highlights to get
Speaker 4: your fantasy scores, but it also distracts you from the
Speaker 4: actual product, and gambling only accelerates that. You know, the
Speaker 4: dopamine hit of seeing your favorite player score a touchdown
Speaker 4: and maybe get you six points in a fantasy league
Speaker 4: is now accelerated. You know, hyped up when money is
Speaker 4: on the line, and you know, so I think it's
Speaker 4: it's it's not just the NFL, but the NFL is
Speaker 4: the most gambled on sport, and I think they're going
Speaker 4: to grapple with sort of a changing fan attitude towards
Speaker 4: the league. And I don't know how you put the
Speaker 4: genie back in the bottle. That's not my expertise, but
Speaker 4: it's it's going to play out over a bunch of
Speaker 4: years now.
Speaker 2: Also, wonder how AI is going to change all the
Speaker 2: That's that's the unforeseen. I'm the I'm sure the NFL
Speaker 2: lean into it and adapt to whatever it is. But
Speaker 2: you know, I see that from an entertainment perspective, which
Speaker 2: sports is. It's not about sports anymore, it's about entertainment.
Speaker 2: I see that as an existential threat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, right now AI is being used
Speaker 4: mostly in in you know, analytics departments at teams, but
Speaker 4: also to figure out a way to get you to
Speaker 4: buy an extra ticket or you know, anticipate what you're
Speaker 4: going to want to drink when you get to the
Speaker 4: stadium and send you a coupon for it. So right
Speaker 4: now it's mostly on the business side, but there could
Speaker 4: be media strategies around it. I mean, fans are using
Speaker 4: it all over the place, and you know, spoofing is
Speaker 4: a big issue too. But I just think that the trusts.
Speaker 4: It's so hard in any brand to build up trust,
Speaker 4: and it can evaporate very quickly if there's a scandal
Speaker 4: and people stop believing what they're watching.
Speaker 2: All right, veteran New York Times sports reporter Ken Belson.
Speaker 2: The book is Every Day Is Sunday. How Jerry Jones,
Speaker 2: Robert Craft, Roger Goodell turn the NFL into a cultural
Speaker 2: and economic juggernauts. Fantastic read, Very very interesting, and considering
Speaker 2: we are the home of the best Bengals coverage, I
Speaker 2: think pretty relevant too to see where things have gone
Speaker 2: and where they're going. Ken, all the best, good luck
Speaker 2: with the book. Thanks for jumping on this morning.
Speaker 4: All right, and Gojo Flackham.
Speaker 2: We need we need Joe to go and the your
Speaker 2: Jets to go down. That's what we need.
Speaker 4: That's another former Jets quarterback elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get the Jets and the Browns together with quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: It's like a it's like an insynct grinder, for God's sake,
Speaker 2: see you.
Speaker 4: Buddy, Yeah, Okay, take care.
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Speaker 10: The weekend's coming on and you need to make the
Speaker 10: most of it. Where to go and what to do.
Speaker 10: She has the tips and inside to help you make
Speaker 10: it a super weekend, So listen up. This is the
Speaker 10: Local Loop with Ali Martin on seven hundred w l W.
Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on your week? Everything good?
Speaker 11: It is great. It's chrispy out.
Speaker 2: This is cold.
Speaker 1: Actually, I feel like it's every finance bro dream because
Speaker 1: it's puffer vest season, Buffer best season.
Speaker 2: You know the look I know, yeah, the quarters it yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you're thick, you look like a marshmallow. It's
Speaker 2: like you got to be Paul and bony like you
Speaker 2: and you get away. You get away with that. So
Speaker 2: it's all good. Ally Martin, it's the Local Loop. We'll
Speaker 2: jump right in. It feels like it's pumpkin season, to
Speaker 2: be sure, with Halloween on the horizon.
Speaker 11: Let's go.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is a pumpkin season and it's time for
Speaker 1: maybe a good haunted tour or if you're going, if
Speaker 1: you're going to any haunted houses. But there's one spot
Speaker 1: in particular that they're doing it right. Honestly, they're doing
Speaker 1: it right just in general because they have an incredible
Speaker 1: line of events that we have two we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about here, and that's Northern Row. You remember Northern Row.
Speaker 1: It's a brewery near and over the Rhine. Really cool,
Speaker 1: a lot of awesome history. Coming up. On Thursday, October thirtieth,
Speaker 1: they're doing this pumpkin painting party and you're like, well
Speaker 1: that kind of is that really fun? And like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is fun because they're going to bring in live
Speaker 1: music and it's all for free and you can go
Speaker 1: and they'll give you pumpkins and you give you know,
Speaker 1: they give you all of the material and everything to
Speaker 1: use it. It's an extension of what they're doing called
Speaker 1: Craft Nights. So yes, it's a pun on words in
Speaker 1: regards to craft beer. But also they're bringing in craft
Speaker 1: artists where they're really encouraging if you're into whatever it is,
Speaker 1: maybe you like to crochet, or you do like to paint,
Speaker 1: or you like to tinker with.
Speaker 11: Some cool stuff.
Speaker 2: I just want to drink you.
Speaker 11: Then come and drate the craft beer.
Speaker 1: On top of this though, because they're doing this pupkin
Speaker 1: painting party, they're collaborating with American Legacy Tours because right
Speaker 1: down the street is the Linked Tunnels in which they
Speaker 1: do their ghost tours. So you can hang out, d
Speaker 1: some beer, and sign up and go do a tour
Speaker 1: at the same time and check out the tunnels. If
Speaker 1: you've never done it and do the full on ghost tour,
Speaker 1: it is because.
Speaker 11: You've been out of the have you done? You have
Speaker 11: done ghost ghost Let me.
Speaker 2: Tell you can you try to get those guys out
Speaker 2: next week sometime for Halloween.
Speaker 11: You got it.
Speaker 1: Randa, she'll have she's her favorite Australia stories. She has
Speaker 1: all of the stories. I have stories myself down there
Speaker 1: too because of just going down and having a good
Speaker 1: relationship with them, and every single time it's a little different.
Speaker 1: They give you different equipment, so ghost hunting equipment, and
Speaker 1: they turn off the lights and you're rolling down with
Speaker 1: just a flashlight.
Speaker 2: What they give you, what's ghost setting equipment?
Speaker 1: Okay, have you ever seen those copper rods that people
Speaker 1: will hold.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it detects m Yeah.
Speaker 11: So they have the EMF readers, they have the copper rods.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to get too much into the
Speaker 1: history of our city, but the best way to put
Speaker 1: it is this city has a lot of trapped energy, yea, cholera,
Speaker 1: a lot of death sure.
Speaker 11: Back in the day. And there are plenty of ghost
Speaker 11: stories to go around.
Speaker 2: But we'll save that for time.
Speaker 11: You will save that for Miranda.
Speaker 1: But also happening at Northern Row is a new event
Speaker 1: called Low and Slow.
Speaker 11: Write this down, put this in your calendar.
Speaker 1: It's happening on November eighth, So it's not this week,
Speaker 1: it is November eighth, and it's all it's an event
Speaker 1: honoring firefighters while also raising money and having a barbecue,
Speaker 1: barbecue cookar. So yeah, they're launching a new beer called
Speaker 1: Roughneck Lagger. It's an American light ale. And while they're
Speaker 1: brewing this also a good portion of the proceeds are
Speaker 1: going to be going back to the Cincinnati Firefighters Union
Speaker 1: Local forty eight, which is a really great organization that
Speaker 1: it you know, firefighters protect our community. This is an
Speaker 1: organization that protects themselves. So it helps with resources. It
Speaker 1: supplies them with access to health and wellness care. You know, taboo.
Speaker 1: Mental health is pretty taboo within that community. So being
Speaker 1: able to give them those types of resources is it
Speaker 1: goes a long way.
Speaker 11: So it will be going back.
Speaker 2: To the fire there and the food.
Speaker 1: Got oh, you're bringing in pickled pig. You're bringing in
Speaker 1: Celia Joe's Brothers barbecue. I got a little scoop that
Speaker 1: the pickled pig Gary over there is incredible. He's doing
Speaker 1: a smoked lamb ragou with a creamy polent.
Speaker 2: That probably pretty good. That's a good cold weather food
Speaker 2: right there. That is lamb night.
Speaker 1: We're just chef's kiss run that cusp of that. So
Speaker 1: I'm sure i'll I'll mention it again in the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but November eighth, write it in low
Speaker 1: and slow and give back to your firefighters.
Speaker 2: I love it. Okay, this morning I'm driving in listening
Speaker 2: to Hawkins and for Tom Brenneman's up doing football this
Speaker 2: weekendational games, and he had someone on from the cost
Speaker 2: Coffee Festival.
Speaker 11: Right, Okay, you're a coffee guy, like coffee. Let's go
Speaker 11: uh Yeah.
Speaker 1: Coffee Festival is happening this Saturday and Sunday at the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Music Call. What I do love about this festival
Speaker 1: is it's approachable. Where the tickets aren't, you know, fifty
Speaker 1: five bucks, It's like twenty.
Speaker 2: Why would you need to have much for coffee and wine?
Speaker 2: I could see that, but it's coffee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, But you know, sometimes these festivals are like,
Speaker 1: all right, what what is.
Speaker 2: Happening as the water and beans? Let's let's not let's
Speaker 2: sixty bucks.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, and you're gonna have people who are
Speaker 1: running laps in that place and no time.
Speaker 2: Like this because I'm trying to the coffee. This is
Speaker 2: really good. Any things are really good. This is really good.
Speaker 2: You think I talk fast now? Okay, talk to me
Speaker 2: after coffee Fest.
Speaker 11: You need a depressant after fall asleep place and no time?
Speaker 2: Cofee? This is really good. Anything that's really good, This
Speaker 2: is really good. Think I talk fast now, talk to
Speaker 2: me after coffee Fest.
Speaker 11: You need a depressant after.
Speaker 2: I'll fall asleep on Monday at nine adhd awful. There
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 11: Michelle's gonna love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's happening at the Society Music Hall. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be over sixty different vendors, you know, coffee roasters,
Speaker 1: tea shops, chocolate tears, pastry, pastries, and baked goods. What
Speaker 1: I really enjoy is a really good latte art throwdown.
Speaker 1: So that's one of those things that I like coffee.
Speaker 1: I would like to learn more about coffee. I'd like
Speaker 1: to invest in a fancy espresso maker and do some
Speaker 1: of that fun latte art. Never really have gotten into it,
Speaker 1: but there is a nuance and there is an art
Speaker 1: to it which is pretty cool. And do you know
Speaker 1: what takes? What it takes to have the freshest cup
Speaker 1: of coffee?
Speaker 2: Hot water, good water, good good water, good filtered water,
Speaker 2: filtered water. Okay, I have that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I learned this the other day that in
Speaker 1: order to have like the freshest cup of coffee is
Speaker 1: just to grind the beans right on the spot, which
Speaker 1: is not always accessible and easy to do. But if
Speaker 1: you can grind the beans and then make a cup
Speaker 1: of coffee right there, that's going to be your freshest
Speaker 1: cup of coffee. And if you're going into a coffee shop,
Speaker 1: ask for the most recent because you know, usually have
Speaker 1: the they have like the big jugs that are already
Speaker 1: pre made, ask for the most recently.
Speaker 2: Or just do a power over right, it's pour over. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and and French press.
Speaker 1: I think if you can even again have the beans
Speaker 1: grinded there. But that's going to be your your best bet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with a c at home. I'm good.
Speaker 1: See Andrew killing and you're killing the planet.
Speaker 11: You're one of those you're.
Speaker 2: Too lazy to say, says the woman who has three
Speaker 2: Starbucks a day in a giant plastic cup of a
Speaker 2: huge straw.
Speaker 1: I am offended. I am That is not me walking
Speaker 1: through these hallways in ron.
Speaker 2: I watched I Need and I Need it now star
Speaker 2: but not making a whole pot of morning on the
Speaker 2: way in every day? What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Hold on, there's a lot to unpack. I'm still offended.
Speaker 11: I'm holding on it.
Speaker 2: You think I'm a Starbucks screen Yeah, you seem like
Speaker 2: I'm a.
Speaker 11: Dunk and girly.
Speaker 1: I'm all about affordability and their coffee is really good.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm with you?
Speaker 1: Donkeys, thank you, thank you. Just the black dark cup
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: What kind of cup do they served that in?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 11: That's what if I told you I bring my own cup.
Speaker 2: You don't, don't. I'm looking right through you. I see
Speaker 2: you raise through you.
Speaker 11: Here's the other thing, What I do you.
Speaker 2: Bring on shopping bag or you're not one of those
Speaker 2: people but iring champagne. I don't have to. I'm lucky.
Speaker 2: I remember to wear pants, want to go to the
Speaker 2: grocery store. I can't remember to bring where those toes?
Speaker 11: That means this is a sign of Alzheimer's.
Speaker 2: Probably is coffee. More like I don't Carozheimer's.
Speaker 11: And how many guns you are at that age?
Speaker 9: Zero?
Speaker 1: Given when you were at when you were at the
Speaker 1: grocery store, what coffee are you reaching for? If you're
Speaker 1: making it from home? Everything is carrec you've never do
Speaker 1: you don't have like a coffee p.
Speaker 2: I used to, but it's like you throw half of
Speaker 2: it out because you have. And like in the morning
Speaker 2: when I cut, when I get up, okay, so I'm
Speaker 2: up at arm goes up five forty five. Yeah, I get.
Speaker 2: I'm making my coffee my travel mug. Right, bring that
Speaker 2: in a couple of two pods and I'm good to go.
Speaker 11: How do you feel about the poor over? Would you
Speaker 11: ever switch to the pace?
Speaker 2: It's much better than the cureate. I'll give you that,
Speaker 2: and you keep it clean and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: I don't have that kind of time. I'm not getting
Speaker 2: up an extra forty five minutes earlier to make a
Speaker 2: perfect cup of coffee. I don't care. I need a
Speaker 2: caffeine out.
Speaker 11: I'm a poor over girl. You hear me out. You
Speaker 11: get one of those keem x for the hour glass
Speaker 11: looking thing.
Speaker 1: You just put the funnel, wet the filter, You throw
Speaker 1: the grounds in there too.
Speaker 2: Much time, one push squeezes the water left. Don't care.
Speaker 11: You're not respecting all right.
Speaker 2: On the weekend, I five times, Sure.
Speaker 11: Don't show up?
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I'm gonna want to. You're right, you don't
Speaker 2: want to come up with my senka.
Speaker 1: You know what, you can stay up in Mason because
Speaker 1: there's a new coffee shop up there.
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 11: Ca Maria Coffee.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I didn't think you could possibly have any
Speaker 2: more coffee places, but here we go.
Speaker 1: Hey have to admit, Cincinnati, we have a killer coffee
Speaker 1: chop scene, and we got another one right in your
Speaker 1: neck of the woods. And it's a Yemony coffee house.
Speaker 11: So I guess it's going for like it's rich flavors,
Speaker 11: traditional brewing methods.
Speaker 1: You know what, hump breaks to have another cup of coffee.
Speaker 2: Good, just a coffee, a good cup of black coffee.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: And I will say they make a really great good
Speaker 1: cup of coffee. They have awesome obviously lattes ChIL Their
Speaker 1: chilatt is really good. And they have a series of
Speaker 1: different pastries. They do this like baclava cheesecake, a Dubai cookie.
Speaker 1: Have you been hearing about how this du Baie chocolate
Speaker 1: is taking here.
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing and it's expensive as hell.
Speaker 11: What is the deal with that?
Speaker 2: I guess it's really good.
Speaker 11: I guess it's really good.
Speaker 2: And they have a by the way, the Bye cookiee chocolate.
Speaker 11: It's chewy sweet and it's absolute perfection.
Speaker 1: And almond croissant, different types of breads that go back
Speaker 1: to the amity culture. And I will say, I'm a
Speaker 1: stickler of a coffee shop that has the right vibes.
Speaker 1: And this Camarera, they they pretty much nailed it. It's big,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of space. They have this big booth, a
Speaker 1: lot of outlets, which is really important if you want
Speaker 1: to work.
Speaker 11: And they have this little.
Speaker 1: Couch area so maybe check that out if you're wanting
Speaker 1: to try.
Speaker 2: And if I can distinguish many coffee and one of
Speaker 2: the other coffee is it's just coffee to me. I mean,
Speaker 2: unless there's like a pumpkin spice.
Speaker 11: You've had to have had a bad cup of coffee.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've had bad cups of coffee. I just
Speaker 2: like I'd like a dark roast kind of you know
Speaker 2: what strong.
Speaker 1: Coffee you want to Here's the other thing. If you
Speaker 1: want to save a couple of bucks, don't sleep. There's
Speaker 1: a speedway in Westchester, the Westy Chesty, and they have
Speaker 1: one of those fancy smancy coffee machines that makes the
Speaker 1: law taste. So most people who are spending seven bucks
Speaker 1: on a lot dance Starbucks.
Speaker 11: You can go to the shout out to the speedway.
Speaker 2: I will shout out, hell yeah, because a lot of
Speaker 2: people where they. I mean, it's a machine of grinds
Speaker 2: right there for you. It's really good. I think.
Speaker 11: You know what, I'm going to put that to the top.
Speaker 11: You have a fancy machine.
Speaker 2: And you don't need glass for shout out to the
Speaker 2: west Chester speed All right, what else do we have here?
Speaker 2: We have these scinety Oh, she's crabby about coffee. I
Speaker 2: remember that. That's I didn't have my coffee this mone.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, got it. I was on the run this morning.
Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, the Society Comic expos in town, Superman Legacy
Speaker 1: meet and greet. All Right, Am I a comic girly?
Speaker 1: Heck no, but I feel like you would be a
Speaker 1: comic guy.
Speaker 4: Why don't you talk?
Speaker 2: No, you just mentioned this. I'm surprised Jack Crumley is
Speaker 2: not kicking the.
Speaker 11: Store or Ricky Chino. I feel like he's one of
Speaker 11: those two.
Speaker 2: I know he's more sports, but Jack Crumley's definitely our
Speaker 2: Jack Crumley definitely loves him.
Speaker 11: So yeah, to be honest, I put this on the list.
Speaker 1: And I really don't know a whole lot about the
Speaker 1: comic scene, but it is Friday is Sunday at the
Speaker 1: Sherfield Convention Center at Superman. I think they're really leaning
Speaker 1: into that theme. They have their normal celebrity like cud
Speaker 1: lest lineup.
Speaker 11: That was just funny though, makes it even.
Speaker 1: Better because you know what people still will show up
Speaker 1: and and if they're those celebrities are accessible, which is nice,
Speaker 1: and you can get your autographs and this is where
Speaker 1: the cosplay really comes out. I'm always super I think
Speaker 1: this is by those comic people will spend an entire
Speaker 1: year to make a single outfit and it is intense
Speaker 1: and I applaud that and perfect time a year because
Speaker 1: then if you were to make a cosplay outfit, you
Speaker 1: can wear it for Halloween, right right?
Speaker 2: Perfect killed. So yeah, scene, but I know people that
Speaker 2: do it, it's like it's yeah, is it any different
Speaker 2: than someone who put where's a Joe Burrow jersey? It's
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you ever collect comics?
Speaker 2: Never collected them? I mean soccer. I was never really
Speaker 2: like a comics. I read them, but I wasn't like
Speaker 2: collecting into the whole storyline and the Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just a it's just a soap opera in print. Basically,
Speaker 2: it's a story.
Speaker 1: So well and like animey anime sons. So I want
Speaker 1: to understand it. Yeah, I have a hard time.
Speaker 2: But you know, there's that's a thing. It's a beautif world.
Speaker 2: There's so much things. It's just not my thing. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's not my thing, but I think that's.
Speaker 11: Kind of the beauty behind it.
Speaker 2: I always of comic art, I think that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of art, came across a pretty cool concept
Speaker 1: called art Drops Cincinnati. Just learned about this yesterday and
Speaker 1: it's this new local art engagement project project. So long
Speaker 1: story short, this community is working with local artists around
Speaker 1: town and every week they collect a different piece of art.
Speaker 1: So it could be sculpture, it could be a painting,
Speaker 1: you name it, and they're dropping it somewhere randomly in
Speaker 1: the city, all within two seventy five and they give
Speaker 1: you clues enhance on social media and if you find.
Speaker 11: It, it's yours to keep. Oh cool, I'm like, this
Speaker 11: is actually a really cool quest.
Speaker 1: There are some really great artists in town that deserve
Speaker 1: to have.
Speaker 11: Number One.
Speaker 1: It highlights the artists, It allows you to kind of
Speaker 1: explore it a little bit of a treasure hunt and
Speaker 1: a lot of the times it's in whether maybe it's
Speaker 1: like in a cool urban spot or in a park,
Speaker 1: and it allows you to explore the city. But then
Speaker 1: you also get to keep the art works like a
Speaker 1: Pokemon go of a Yeah, in real life, fine and stuff.
Speaker 2: Actually good to keep it. How do you get in
Speaker 2: on this?
Speaker 1: So you go to art dash drops dot com.
Speaker 11: I signed up. Also just follow them on social media.
Speaker 1: On Instagram is the best way to go about it,
Speaker 1: and that's where those clues happen every single week. So
Speaker 1: they highlight what the art is going to be, they
Speaker 1: highlight the artist, and then they show the little glimpse
Speaker 1: of where it's placed, and then it's on YouTube. Maybe
Speaker 1: you know it, maybe you don't, okay, and then if
Speaker 1: you can find it, it's yours to keep.
Speaker 2: We have going here. But the obvious too is we've
Speaker 2: got uc homecoming which is gonna be huge and around Clifton,
Speaker 2: and then you've got Bengals game Day on Sunday with
Speaker 2: the Jets and town a great weekend to be downtown.
Speaker 2: Lots of stuff going on, so you know, if you're
Speaker 2: looking to do stuff before the football game, coffee after
Speaker 2: the games, get some coffee to get your art thing.
Speaker 2: We've got football all over the place this weekend. She's
Speaker 2: Ali Martin. It's a local loop this morning on seven hundred.
Speaker 2: WA should be back next Friday. I'm sure it'll be
Speaker 2: all Halloween related on Halloween, so I can't wait for that.
Speaker 2: All right, go get some coffee, I will and rely No,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to Duncan get some coffee and relaxed,
Speaker 2: be DC. I like Dunk Duncan's fine, you did. I
Speaker 2: did the midnight Dunk Midnight Yeah. Yeah, that's the dark
Speaker 2: one dark so good pund Yeah. And the reason I
Speaker 2: do the Starbucks because the cure. The Starbucks are all over.
Speaker 2: They don't have the Duncan little pods and the sailors
Speaker 2: of the Kroger. So I'm all about the value. Have
Speaker 2: a great weekend, Ali Martin at the Local Loop that's
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