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Speaker 2: Only seven hundred WLW the weekend of year. You can

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Speaker 2: And thank God because we have football, football, and football

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Speaker 2: the voice of both Dan Horde jumps in this morning

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Speaker 2: on the Big One. Danny, It's been a interesting week,

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Speaker 2: to say the least, sports wise. I let me begin

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously surprised by some of the people that are involved,

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Speaker 3: I can't say that I'm shocked.

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Speaker 2: What strikes me is the stupidity of the bets that

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Speaker 2: scandal that sort of involved you see Bearcat Baseball team

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Speaker 2: of the guy from was It Alabama was betting on

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Speaker 2: going to see that instantly. Now, the X ray poker tables,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically face down cards can be seen. Wow

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Speaker 2: If I were sitting at a table, my concern would

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Speaker 2: the stuff I worry about. Let's pivot to. Let's start

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Speaker 2: with you see this morning break it up simply because

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Speaker 2: Sadderfield because he's been in a hot seat. Let's face it,

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Speaker 2: look in a rip bof a seventh straight win. They

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Speaker 2: sit at number twenty one in the AP their bowl

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Speaker 2: homecoming against Baylor at four o'clock and you on the call.

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Speaker 3: Great opportunity for Cincinnati to keep moving toward possibly playing

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Speaker 3: in the Big Twelve Championship game at the end of

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Speaker 3: the year. In Dallas, they've got five games left in

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Speaker 3: which is good, including tomorrow's four o'clock homecoming game. If

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Speaker 3: simply one word, Dallas. That's what they've been focused on,

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Speaker 3: trying to get to the Big twelve Championship game in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: It seems far fetched to many at the beginning of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bless the injuries for me than it is the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: They switched to Tyrod Taylor at halftime of their lost

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Speaker 4: Number on the board.

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Speaker 3: But I wouldn't expect either of those quarterbacks to lead.

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Speaker 4: The Jets to a bunch of points. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Dealon offensive line, well, let me backtrack. Stacks are not

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Speaker 2: Dan Horde, voice of the Bengals and the Bearcats. Big

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Speaker 2: He is a busy man this weekend and his partner's

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Speaker 2: It all goes through your fingers, Dan, all through, all

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Speaker 2: That's going to be awesome, all right, will you enjoy it?

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Speaker 2: I know you well, Danny, all the best.

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Speaker 8: stuff for fans of Bruce Springsteen, little easter eggs and

436
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Speaker 8: stuff where you're like, oh, this is where he got

437
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Speaker 8: the inspiration for that song that he'll.

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Speaker 5: Write, you know, twenty years later or whatever.

439
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Speaker 6: So it's in movie theaters this weekend.

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Speaker 8: It's and it's getting a lot of oscar buzz already

441
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Speaker 8: for Jeremy Allen White for playing Bruce Springsteen, so you know,

442
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Speaker 8: if you're looking to see something in theaters this week,

443
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Speaker 8: and I think it's a pretty solid choice.

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Speaker 5: I had a good time watching.

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Speaker 2: The sound is amazing. I mean, he his vocals are

446
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Speaker 2: really really strong.

447
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Speaker 8: I couldn't believe it, I know, and I guess you

448
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Speaker 8: know he was sort of worked with and hand selected

449
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Speaker 8: by Bruce Springsteen to some extent, So you know, I

450
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Speaker 8: think when when you're sort of taken in the fold

451
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Speaker 8: in that way, you better sound pretty great, right, And

452
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Speaker 8: I think he nailed it.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty cool. And you know, just kind

454
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Speaker 2: of known about Nebraska. The album itself, he like really

455
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Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to be. I think it was a demo

456
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Speaker 2: basically he's recording and just recording stuff on a on

457
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Speaker 2: a simple recorder, wasn't even a studio, and he said

458
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Speaker 2: now we're gonna, We're going to release it. Likely a

459
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Speaker 2: huge gamble for the record company. And if you if

460
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Speaker 2: you know it was coming with the next album, of

461
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Speaker 2: course in eighty four, would be born in the USA,

462
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Speaker 2: and a number of the songs that he wrote that

463
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Speaker 2: would have been he left off and then turned out,

464
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Speaker 2: you know, like Glory Days, for example, is on the

465
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Speaker 2: All Stamily one of the biggest albums of the eighties

466
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Speaker 2: if if out All Time, and that's born in the USA,

467
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Speaker 2: So you see the seeds of that that thinking, and

468
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Speaker 2: it's all coming out in Nebraska.

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Speaker 5: Really neat exactly exactly.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So it's it's a really you know, it's a good,

471
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Speaker 8: great movie for fans of Bruce and a and a

472
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Speaker 8: really great movie for people who.

473
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Speaker 5: Don't maybe know that that much about him.

474
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Speaker 2: How much in the is the East Street Band featured

475
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Speaker 2: in that.

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Speaker 8: It's I would say it's more about Bruce and his

477
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Speaker 8: like early relationships with like women and his mom and stuff,

478
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Speaker 8: and his managers in it as well.

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Speaker 6: But the band, you know, not not so much.

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Speaker 5: It's really more of like a yeah, more I would.

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Speaker 6: Say, like personal and interpersonal, like gotcha relationship.

482
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Speaker 2: If you're expect to be like the Queen or the

483
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Speaker 2: Elton John one, that's not the case.

484
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Speaker 8: That's exactly correct, that's exactly correct.

485
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Speaker 4: Yeah, gotcha.

486
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Speaker 2: So I don't prepare to be disappointed. Is that what

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Speaker 2: you're saying.

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, it's just it's a different type

489
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Speaker 8: of movie.

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Speaker 5: It's you know, it's it's yeah, well it's a.

491
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Speaker 2: Worth of twenty bucks or whatever it's going to cost

492
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Speaker 2: me to go see this thing.

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Speaker 5: I would say, yes, definitely.

494
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Speaker 2: Is it an imax too?

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Speaker 6: I actually I don't have the answer for you there.

496
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Speaker 5: I yeah, yeah, good question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just to see I mean, you want to

498
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Speaker 2: see it. It's like if you like the music, you

499
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Speaker 2: want to see in the big screen because it's it's

500
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Speaker 2: just so immersive. Well, gance in New York this morning,

501
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Speaker 2: So deliver me from nowhere is a go I know

502
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Speaker 2: that Adam Brody of course that Oscar, But Kristen Bell,

503
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Speaker 2: nobody wants to set's on Netflix right now? What's that about?

504
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is season two.

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Speaker 8: So season one came out back in November December, and

506
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Speaker 8: we're already at season two.

507
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Speaker 6: But this show sort of blew.

508
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Speaker 5: Up in a way that nobody thought it would.

509
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Speaker 8: It was nominated for a ton of Emmys this year,

510
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Speaker 8: Kristen Bell and Adam Brody and the show itself was

511
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Speaker 8: nominated for Best Comedy.

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Speaker 5: So this is the one.

513
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Speaker 6: That's based on a true story.

514
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Speaker 8: She played a podcaster who's not really religious at all

515
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Speaker 8: and ends up meeting a.

516
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Speaker 5: Rabbi at a party and.

517
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Speaker 6: End up falling for each other. So season one ended

518
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Speaker 6: basically with.

519
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Speaker 8: Them saying, you know what, let's try and make this happen.

520
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Speaker 8: You know, despite not really fitting into each other's you know,

521
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Speaker 8: personal lives or families, you know, work relationships are all

522
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Speaker 8: sort of thrown into the air because of this relationship.

523
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Speaker 8: And season two picks up with them trying to make

524
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Speaker 8: it work, and each episode is only about half an hour.

525
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Speaker 6: It's really sweet, really funny.

526
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Speaker 8: The soundtrack is actually like a ton of fun as well.

527
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Speaker 8: So this, you know, for anyone who wants to stay

528
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Speaker 8: in and only has a little bit of time and

529
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Speaker 8: can catch an episode here or there.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun this show. Nobody wants to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I know because when I fell in was in love

532
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Speaker 2: with my rabbi, it was a lot more dramatic and

533
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Speaker 2: it didn't work out right right.

534
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Speaker 6: Everyone can relate to falling in love with their rabbi.

535
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Speaker 6: It's the tale as old as time.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I'm a gentle I'm not even close

537
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Speaker 2: to Jewish, but you know, I understand what else you got.

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Speaker 8: So they announced yesterday that the last episode of Stranger

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Speaker 8: Things of the entire series, is going to hit theaters

540
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Speaker 8: the same day that the episode starts streaming on Netflix.

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Speaker 5: So for anyone who maybe forgot what happened.

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Speaker 8: You know, season four of Stranger Things came out over

543
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Speaker 8: to like about two years ago. So I am recommending rewatching.

544
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Speaker 8: I have been rewatching from season one all of Stranger Things,

545
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Speaker 8: because the final season will drop about a month from now.

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Speaker 8: And you know, some estimates say that there they spent

547
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Speaker 8: sixty million dollars per episode of this last season making

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Speaker 8: the show, yeah yeah, come to life, and so it's

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Speaker 8: gonna be huge. It's gonna be epic and it's gonna

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Speaker 8: be a movie theaters, So you know, it's I have

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Speaker 8: I've had such a fun time rewatching the show and

552
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Speaker 8: reminding myself you know, why I loved it, why it's

553
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Speaker 8: really been boundary breaking, and why Netflix has invested so

554
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Speaker 8: much into it. So yeah, if if you have some

555
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Speaker 8: time to kill, uh, you know, the final season will

556
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Speaker 8: drop right before Thanksgiving, the first part of that season,

557
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Speaker 8: so you know, have about a month if you want

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Speaker 8: to rewatch the first four seasons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's I think the reason

560
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Speaker 2: why and we can talk about why it's so iconic.

561
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Speaker 2: I think just because it really captured the whole eighties

562
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Speaker 2: aesthetic really well. It wasn't like campy or anything like that.

563
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Speaker 2: It was it's really well.

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Speaker 8: Done exactly, and even the way they fold in some

565
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Speaker 8: sort of eighties familiar faces. Of course, Winona Ryder plays

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Speaker 8: the mom, and then they have guest appearances from you know, Sean.

567
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Speaker 5: Aston who was in the Goonies and.

568
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Speaker 8: You know, things like that, and then in the last

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Speaker 8: season there will be some guest appearances as well from

570
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Speaker 8: other eighties icons.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I think it's it is it.

572
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Speaker 8: Really does a good job with that eighties you know

573
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Speaker 8: aesthetic and vibe and even the music you know, pays

574
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Speaker 8: homage to that time as well.

575
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Speaker 2: Plus it's so weird, right, you got horror and sci

576
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Speaker 2: fi and mystery and it's a coming of age drama.

577
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Speaker 2: You get like it's it's hitting all and normally it's

578
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Speaker 2: way too they'd be way too confusing, but they make it.

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Speaker 8: Work exactly, and parts are very funny too, and and

580
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Speaker 8: you know, heartwarming.

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Speaker 5: So so yeah, it is like it blends those.

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Speaker 8: Genres really really well. And it's well acted also.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you think about it too, I mean,

584
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Speaker 2: this was the first season. I want to say, was

585
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Speaker 2: it twenty fourteen, twenty somewhere in there, but it really

586
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Speaker 2: felt like this is the one, Like the Sopranos made Hbo.

587
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Speaker 2: This felt like this is what made Netflix.

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Speaker 5: To me, I think you're right on the money with that, exactly.

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Speaker 8: This was when I was like, oh, okay, like I

590
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Speaker 8: should be paying a subscription to watch this show.

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Speaker 2: Yep, right exactly. He is will Gans, ABC News multi

592
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Speaker 2: platform guy in New York. He does it all. Go

593
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Speaker 2: see him on GMA three at will Gans with two

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Speaker 2: Wes's and Deliver from Nowhere looks like the hit that

595
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Speaker 2: people are pretty I think it's gonna be pretty well

596
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Speaker 2: the box office. And then you got options on the

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Speaker 2: small screen as well. Appreciate it. Well, we'll talk next week.

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Speaker 5: Man, all right, have a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: You as well. You as well, you as well. So

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Speaker 2: there you go. Stranger things got that. Nobody wants this,

601
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Speaker 2: and it's kind of like the Jets, nobody wants us.

602
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: We got that on Sunday, and you see football tomorrow.

603
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Speaker 2: So hey man, we got sports. You got stuff to do.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go to the theater. It's I

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Speaker 2: don't know, maybe not this weekend. At some point, I'm

606
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Speaker 2: gonna go see Delivered Me from Nowhere. I haven't been

607
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Speaker 2: in the theater in a long time. Like that seems

608
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Speaker 2: to me like the one to go see because it's

609
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: gonna sound great. And who isn't a Jeremy Allen White fan.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you saw Shameless, that that was what

611
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: he made him. Let's put it that way. He's like, woh,

612
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Speaker 2: this guy's a great actor. And then he does the Bear,

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Speaker 2: which is as good in a different way. I thought

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Speaker 2: the last season wasn't as good as the previous ones,

615
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Speaker 2: but it was still pretty good. And now he's Springsteen,

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Speaker 2: So those are the things you're like, I kind of

617
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Speaker 2: gotta go see him because he is a hell of

618
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Speaker 2: an actor. And if he's doing the singing and the guitar,

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Speaker 2: and if you've seen some of the clips on social

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Speaker 2: the vocals are it's incredible. It's like you think you're

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Speaker 2: watching Bruce Springsteen and a lot of the facial features

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Speaker 2: and gestures. He really has him down, did a really

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Speaker 2: really job with it. The storyline, I'm just curious, is

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Speaker 2: it two inside Baseball? Like Nebraska is not the biggest

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Speaker 2: reason why they're doing I guess it's the story behind it.

626
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Speaker 2: But anyway, if you're a fan of music, he got that.

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Speaker 2: We got football this weekend and got movies, got it

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Speaker 2: all going on. Let's get a time out in It's

629
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Speaker 2: the Scott Sloan Show. In about four minutes here on

630
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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW will get into the NBA scandal and

631
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Speaker 2: some observations about that, and particularly the day after the

632
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Speaker 2: NBA season starts, right this is when the FBI decides

633
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Speaker 2: that they're going to overshadow all of that with this scandal.

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Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting timing and why we'll get

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Speaker 2: into and just minutes here, slowly back and forth on

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLWT, seven minutes away from news on this

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Speaker 2: Friday morning. Seven hundred WLWT is so far nice and quiet,

638
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: like we like it, like we like it. Steve Gooden,

639
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: who is a council CANDI, former councole person and attorney,

640
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: a little analysis on what the city just did relative

641
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Speaker 2: to Terry Fiji, because it really leaves a lot of

642
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Speaker 2: folks myself included scratching our heads going, I just I've

643
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Speaker 2: never seen anything like this before. You fire someone and

644
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Speaker 2: then decide to find the reasons why you fired her

645
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Speaker 2: in the first place. That just ahead Bengals trying to

646
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Speaker 2: get into even five hundred Bearcats going for seven straight.

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Speaker 2: We've got lots of football this weekend. Also also also

648
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Speaker 2: we have the scandal that just broke yesterday. So why

649
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Speaker 2: does the FBI do this massive press conference slash purp

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Speaker 2: walk yesterday afternoon the day after the well, the the

651
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Speaker 2: as I say, at the start of the NBAC, they

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Speaker 2: had twelve games on Wednesday, and of course you had

653
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Speaker 2: you know, a night kickoff, couple games, a couple of

654
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Speaker 2: games and then big with a big slide full slighting.

655
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Speaker 2: Why would they do that like opening week because it

656
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: totally took away from opening to the NBA basically is

657
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: what it was opening day. I guess I should say

658
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Speaker 2: with a full slight of night games. Everyone's so excited

659
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Speaker 2: about that, and I think it. You know, looking at

660
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: you can kind of tell why. So Travel's coach, the

661
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer Chauncey Billups and Miami Terry Rose here

662
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: thirty people among their people, thirty four in total arrested yesterday,

663
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: and this investigation has been going on for a long

664
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Speaker 2: time in the FBI. It's Wirefrog conspiracies, money laundering. So

665
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: Rosier arrested and accused of leaking confidential information about his

666
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: health to people associates who used that to bet that

667
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: he would underperform. So he's in a game, he said, hey,

668
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: here's here's again, and you know, he winds up leaving early,

669
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: faking an injury, and they bet the under onund how

670
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: many points each court basically and Chauncey Billups, it's a

671
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: whole different thing. That's Tony Soprano and the Italian mob

672
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Speaker 2: of Coosonostro, which surprises of Italian they still are still

673
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Speaker 2: that strong. But although they have private table games backed

674
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Speaker 2: by the New York Mob, and there's X ray poker tables,

675
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: so I can see what the cards are, and it's

676
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: that that's a whole different thing right there. And of

677
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: course John D Porter, a former NBA bench player, also

678
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: accused of disclosing confidential information about his health to a

679
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: better So those are three of the big ones. But

680
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: I look at this and go, okay, why would you

681
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: do this on that It's because the NBA already cleared

682
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: Rose here essentially did their own internal investigation, I guess,

683
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: and said, okay, yeah, nothing to see here, and the

684
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: FBI said, well hold on just a second. So they

685
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: start looking at it, and then I think, what's happening,

686
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: especially under Trump right doesn't like to be if you're

687
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: the FBI, like, wow, the NBA said, there's nothing to

688
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: see here, and clearly there's a lot to see here.

689
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: So we're going to we're going to rain on their parade.

690
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: We're going to destroy opening week because this is now

691
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: the big story. Like nobody's paying, you know, paying somewhat attention,

692
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: but no one cares. I cared about the NBA, going wow,

693
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: what the hell's going to the NBA? I mean, a

694
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: huge black guy for the league could have done this

695
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 2: weeks ago, probably before the season, preseason whatever, but they

696
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: decided to drop it this week. I think that's in

697
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: the message. I really really do that this is a

698
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: lot bigger deal than the NBA. It's you know, hard

699
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: to say that the NBA covers something up or look

700
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: the other way. And I mean pretty clearly if you

701
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: say there's nothing than to see here everything's good, and

702
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: the FBI says no, there isn't and you've got you know,

703
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: the mob involved for crying out loud and it's all

704
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: tied together. That is clearly a shot across the bow

705
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: of the National Basketball Association. I think the other thing too,

706
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: is looking at this because now it's on trial, is

707
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: the integrity of professional sports and the legal betting era. Right,

708
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this is what happened. This is what happened.

709
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: You have all these sports book and gaming sports, but

710
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: see you could see this coming. Look it's not like

711
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: cheating and point shaving. All this stuff is new. It

712
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: just used to we'd still be doing this. It's not

713
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: all like sports gambling would go away. You know when

714
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: you're back in college back in the day, buddy, that

715
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: what you had someone who's a bookie, you knew someone

716
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: who knew somebody, okay, and you know, if there's enough money.

717
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: But it's not like we haven't had a long history

718
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: of people trying to fix games and matches since sports

719
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: began in the United States, which in the early days, right,

720
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure like when they're playing that weird game

721
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: where they got a leather ox and ball and they're

722
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 2: throwing it through the hoop on horseback with Indians, like,

723
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure somebody was betting on that, and then somebody

724
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: was like fixing game, you know, boxing and all that

725
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: stuff back in the day. So yeah, I don't know

726
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: if I'm it's it's certainly more complextions a lot more

727
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: money in it, because you're talking about one hundred and

728
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: fifty billion dollars in legal bets just last year alone,

729
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: huge amount of money, and somebody's going to skim some

730
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: of that. I totally get it. But let's look at

731
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: how they got caught for a second. So you had

732
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: a better professional better I think, placed thirty wagers in

733
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: less than an hour and all involving Terry Rozier. Do

734
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Speaker 2: you remember a few years ago and the U see

735
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: baseball team. I think you See Baseball is called no

736
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: one from you See Baseball. I think was Charger got

737
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: in trouble for it. But there's a guy who was

738
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: a great American ballpark at the sportsbook there and it

739
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: was putting as I recall, you may remember this better

740
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: than I do, but I think it was pending like

741
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars on an Alabama baseball game. I

742
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: was like Alabama, Clemson or wherever it was, and he

743
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: had inside information that the pitcher would be benched. So

744
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: he's betting one hundred grand on that on college baseball.

745
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: So in this case, you've got a guy betting a

746
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 2: lot of money on Terry Rozier and that's just gonna

747
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: set the algorithms go nuts. And it's not like they

748
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: don't have people at all the sports books that are

749
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: monitoring that behind the scenes and so obviously all electronics,

750
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: but they're social media. Who's betting on what the prop bets?

751
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: And do you look at this, you go, WHOA that

752
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: jumps off the I mean, it's terror's here, right, So

753
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: it jumps off the page. And that's where they start

754
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: the investigation. Like the NBA couldn't figure that working with

755
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 2: the sports books. That's what tells me this is why

756
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: they did it when they did it. That could be

757
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: wrong about that, but this is gonna be a black

758
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: guy for the NBA for a long time. So as

759
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: far as the integrity of professional sports go, I think

760
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: you're this is going to be commonplace. I think maybe

761
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: not happening all the time, but it's going to take

762
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: an idiot like that, you know, like the the that

763
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: Alabama guy with uc and at Great American Ballpark or

764
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: this case, and every few years you're gonna have knuckle

765
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: at doing this or somebody trying to do this. I'm

766
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: gonna get cads can be a big story because they're

767
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: so good at catching this stuff. Because again, this is

768
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: not good, not good for the sports books. It makes

769
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: them look really, really bad. So there's a more incentive

770
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: them to to make sure they're moditning this at all times.

771
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: I think it goes away. I think it's just something

772
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: we're gonna live with. I don't think it's the end

773
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: of sports or anything like that, like some people are

774
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: making it out to be, Oh, this is what happens. Yeah,

775
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: they downfalls non buying it. I really not. We'll get

776
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: a news update Steve good Next, you fire the chief

777
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: and then you look for the reasons to fire hers.

778
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: It's making sense to you, does makes sense to him either,

779
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: and he's an attorney's ready to go. We'll talk to

780
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: him next after news on the Home of the Best

781
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: Bengals coverage seven hundred WLWD Cincinnat. It's a Scott'sloan show

782
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,560
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783
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Speaker 2: with the iHeartRadio app. Take It's with You podcast after

784
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: the show streaming. We got you Covered, we got you

785
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: covered on all those platforms. A mind up boggling example

786
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: of ready fire aim chief Teresa Thiji placed on administrative leave,

787
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 2: paid administrator to leave at that and an interim chief.

788
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: And Adam Henny named this before the investigation into the

789
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: effectiveness of our leadership as a city calls it that

790
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: any of this happens. It's the city is looking for

791
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: a reason to fire the chief. After they fire the chief,

792
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: it just goes from bad to worse. Too ridiculous at

793
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: this point with the City of Cincinnati, and it's a

794
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: leader after ad Pierre Valscher along the city manager in

795
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: just more confusion and chaos. When we don't need it.

796
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: Steve Goodness, here is a council candidate from a council member,

797
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: attorney and charter right, and with his analysis here this morning, Steve,

798
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 2: how are you, Steve? You there, Steve Gooden? Well wait wait,

799
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, stam let's go there we go.

800
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: We got you asked you yeah, yeah, yeah, first day

801
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: on the new job, first day, and the new job

802
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: for me, there's an irony here because it's the executive branch,

803
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: it's law enforcement. The irony is, of course, there's no

804
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: due process for the chief of police. This is conviction

805
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: before being charged. And on that they even't even hired

806
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 2: a law firm.

807
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: Yet.

808
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: How does this make any sense legally?

809
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 4: Well it doesn't.

810
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 7: I mean, look, you know, I've had employees, you know,

811
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 7: for most of my career. And look, rule number one

812
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 7: is if you've got the goods on somebody, you just

813
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 7: go ahead and fire them, you know. And so the

814
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 7: idea that here they said, hey, well we want you

815
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 7: to resign. The charter clearly says that once the chief

816
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 7: has served more than six months, she can only be

817
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 7: fired for cause. So presumably, if they had any kind

818
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 7: of cause or bad behavior on her part, that had

819
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 7: been documented, they were just going ahead and fired her,

820
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 7: and we wouldn't have this far.

821
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: So now they're.

822
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 7: Trying to create a ground, obviously, create grounds to fire

823
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 7: her after the fact, after they've already sort of gone

824
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 7: to her and asked her to resign. It is a

825
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 7: morale killer. It's more politics that the rank and file

826
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 7: see this. I talked to some officers yesterday who are

827
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 7: just disgusted by how this is playing out. I mean,

828
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 7: they're already short staff, morale was already bad. And I

829
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 7: got to hand it to mayor and the council. They

830
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 7: have done the impossible. They have taken a horrible situation

831
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 7: and made it yet worse. I always thinking like, there's

832
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 7: really no way it gets any worse. We have rampant

833
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 7: gun violence, business is downtown, is scared in town. We

834
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 7: literally have slats standing on Fountain Square. My offices right

835
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 7: there was there yesterday. We don't really have a police chef.

836
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 7: How could we make it worse? And also, you know,

837
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 7: I've never seen a situation we're bringing a bunch of

838
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 7: lawyers in. Billing by the hour makes anything better. I

839
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 7: not say that as a lawyer who bills by the hour.

840
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 7: It never makes things better.

841
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: Here's a great example.

842
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 4: It's terrible.

843
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: See here's a scandal, the betting of the gambling scandal.

844
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Chauncey Billups. Okay, how it works all always is always deficient.

845
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: Is all of a sudden, there's a bombshell, Hey, we're

846
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: on a press count. Here's what's gonna happen. It's like,

847
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: we caught all these players in the gambling scheme and

848
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: at the mob's involved, and you have a press conference,

849
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: you lay the charges out. On the other side says, oh,

850
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: we deny, we deny, we deny. Uh. That's how you

851
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 2: don't go, Hey, by the way, uh, Chauncey, we're going

852
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: to we're gonna we're gonna do this, uh, and then

853
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: go and find that we're not sure we believe they

854
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: did this, and now we're gonna go and investigate it.

855
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: It's it's completely backwards. You don't do that. You have

856
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: the charges that they make, the presentation. You don't present

857
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: and say we're gonna let we're Chauncey Billups, We're we're

858
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: gonna suspend you, We're gonna come after, we're gonna charge you,

859
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: but we're not going to tell you what it is.

860
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: We've got to hire a team to do that, but

861
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 2: we know you're guilty of something. It does, It doesn't

862
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: even pass a sniff test for most people. It's insane, right, right.

863
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 7: It's a fundamental, you know, violation of it, just even

864
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 7: the most basic due process on her part. She can't

865
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 7: answer the charges because she doesn't know what they are.

866
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 7: Now we know from the mayor's comments that they're hanging

867
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 7: all this on her quote in effectiveness.

868
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 4: But what she's.

869
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 7: Already telegraphed very strongly is I think she acknowledges she

870
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 7: was uneffective, okay, because of the policies she was given

871
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 7: an instructed to do. I mean, we know that city

872
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 7: Hall and the mayor helped elect a set of judges

873
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 7: over in the courthouse that really didn't believe in cash bail,

874
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 7: so they were putting gun offenders back on the streets rapidly,

875
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 7: and that that contributed to the frustration in the police department,

876
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 7: and that she has clearly said that she went to

877
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 7: the mayor to try to correct the situation and he refused.

878
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 7: We also know that this whole bizarre compliance versus enforcement

879
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 7: thing on lower level offenses came right from the city

880
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 7: manager and the mayor now I fault the chief candidly

881
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 7: for not pushing back more on that. So they stopped writing,

882
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 7: you know, weed tickets, stopped pursuing graffiti issues, stopped dealing

883
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 7: with the homeless situation downtown, and over time, the failure

884
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 7: to prosecute or deal with these low level offenses created

885
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 7: a sense of lawlessness that brought the real bad actors

886
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 7: with guns downtown. So we've seen that. But calling her

887
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 7: ineffective because your policies were ineffective, I mean, that's ridiculous

888
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 7: and this just isn't the way you do things. So ok,

889
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 7: I used to run a big law firm and there

890
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 7: were a couple of different instances where we had young

891
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 7: lawyers who had who had done bad things, and we

892
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 7: did an investigation and then we went to them and

893
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 7: laid it out.

894
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: And so you either.

895
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 7: Resign or get fired, and here are your options. And

896
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 7: here's what we found. Unless you have some answer, that's

897
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 7: how it works. This is they're trying to make up

898
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 7: a reason to fire her after that.

899
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: Forgets yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And now we have a

900
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: pattern of behavior, Steve Gooden, and when it's abuse of

901
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: due process, let's go back to the July Street brawl

902
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: where you had an individual white guy right who has

903
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 2: started this whole thing allegedly, and then the city comes

904
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: out and says, well, well, you know what, actually a

905
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: minute forty six prior, they were the victim of some

906
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: very extreme racial attacks and physical attacks and this was

907
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: him bass So and you know, he had the ministers

908
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: crying for Whitey to be charged all this stuff, and

909
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: they do that and it's actually Adam Henny now the

910
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: interim chief oddly enough, so you see there's some quid

911
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: pro quote at least, and I'm not demeaning Chief Henny here.

912
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: I understand it's a great cops cops cop, but again,

913
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: playing the game is that now you cast dispersions on

914
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: the integrity of the office, because like, if you're willing

915
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: to write a ticket for something you didn't witness yourself,

916
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: and the officers didn't want to get jammed up, and

917
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: he said, I'll take the bullet from my officer so

918
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: to speak, and write the citation that led to the charges.

919
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: It's cut from the same cloth like, Okay, we're going

920
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: to wait a month to charge someone, and pretty clearly

921
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: it's someone who shouldn't be charged, but we're doing it

922
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 2: because of political correctness and political expediency, just like we're

923
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: doing now we have a trend now.

924
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 7: Right Well yeah, I mean it's just what we've done

925
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 7: here is just they're going to just undermines the sense

926
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 7: of fairness and of law and order in the town.

927
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 7: It really does look like the mayor and the city

928
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 7: manager can say I want they charged, so they.

929
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: Go back and charge them.

930
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 7: Whether there's evidence or not, I don't know, but certainly

931
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 7: you had a guy who an officer who signed the charge,

932
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 7: who was not involved in the investigation, wasn't there, it

933
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 7: hadn't interviewed the guy even apparently. And now you also

934
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 7: have the scenario where they're saying, on these low level offenses,

935
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 7: we don't want people charge.

936
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 4: And how do you have a city that way.

937
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 7: We have a charter that says our police chief and

938
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 7: city manager is supposed to be independent above politics. They're

939
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 7: supposed to be out there policing and do it, you know, working,

940
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 7: going where the crime is, looking at real metrics and

941
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 7: trying to figure out what to do. And that's what

942
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 7: the neighborhoods are, you know, crying about, because I mean,

943
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 7: I mean, we don't even trust I don't trust the

944
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 7: data coming out of the police department in City Hall anymore.

945
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 7: I think it's clearly been manipulated to make the gun

946
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 7: violence look less. You know, from shots Boer, we're on

947
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 7: track for twenty three thousand shots fire, but that isn't

948
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 7: reflected in the other data.

949
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: It's clear from the top right, I mean, the two examples.

950
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: I game what you saided here too. It's like the

951
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: mayor is deciding what justice looks like in I'm sorry,

952
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: but I wonder about those people who would support AFTAB

953
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: perval and a heartbeat who are down marching at the

954
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: No Kings rally. Isn't this what you're allegedly fighting against?

955
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I mean, it could not be more

956
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 7: perfect of an analogy between Donald Trump and AFTAB. I mean,

957
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 7: it's exactly the same thing. It's just, you know, they're

958
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 7: on different sides of the aisle politically, you know, but

959
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 7: there is this sense on both sides that they are

960
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 7: like busting through some of the norms you know that

961
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 7: we have out there. Is the critique people make of

962
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 7: Donald Trump is exactly the same critique that could be

963
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 7: made of AFTAB, which is somebody who really just doesn't

964
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 7: plan with the rules and I would go a step further.

965
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 7: I mean, the thing that makes me the sickest is

966
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 7: we've had mayors in the past who have kind of

967
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 7: lost their way, but we've always had some diversity of

968
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 7: thought on city Council and some people with backbone that

969
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 7: we're willing to push back. These guys have been with

970
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 7: maybe one exception in the last twenty four hours, no

971
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 7: one's done anything. I mean, in the the old days,

972
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 7: you know, Chris Smitherman or a Steve Gutten or even

973
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 7: maybe Alassie somewhere you know, or you called someone like

974
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 7: that would have called for a hearing right a public

975
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 7: here to say like what happened here?

976
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 4: They bring the chief, and they.

977
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 7: Bring the city manager in and say like, hey, look,

978
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 7: you know, with the cameras on, tell us what the

979
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 7: hell is going on here where?

980
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: You know? And they wouldn't have.

981
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 7: Just accepted this nonsense day in and day out. So

982
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 7: there's a lack of oversight from council that really really

983
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 7: makes this even worse, because I mean, they have a

984
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 7: role in this process. They can you know, they have

985
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 7: the ability to shine a flashlight here and they are

986
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 7: hiding under their desks.

987
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: But I would point out that we're being told to

988
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: add at nauseam from after a peer of all in others,

989
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: this is not political. She's not a political scapegoat. The

990
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: election has nothing to do with the decision. The decisions

991
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: we take public safetyes are number one priorities. We're taking

992
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: it seriously. This is not political all. As a matter

993
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: of fact, she's not even fired. She's on paid administrative leave.

994
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 2: And there's another part of the of the absurdity Steve Gooden,

995
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: is that, all right, Thigi's on paid administrative got fired,

996
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: she's had administrative leader. She's still in the paycheck while

997
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: we investigate her over the next one. It's going to

998
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: take months, apparently to solved this. Then why name a

999
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: interim chief instead of an acting chief. If you're suspended,

1000
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: it's an acting chief. Like if someone's hurt. You know,

1001
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco is the acting starting quarterback, he is not

1002
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: the interim starting There's a difference in a nuance. There

1003
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 2: is interim chief not acting. They essentially have given it like, well,

1004
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: we're done with the old chief. This is the innermundile.

1005
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: We find a new one. They've already stated that, and

1006
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: then they go back and go, well, no, she just

1007
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: doesn't leave.

1008
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 7: Well, you know what's so funny is he actually slipped

1009
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 7: up at one of his you know, he was sort

1010
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 7: of ambushed coming out of council chambers yesterday and I

1011
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 7: think it was Channel twelve or one of the other

1012
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 7: reporters asked him, you know some pretty tough questions. He said, well,

1013
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 7: whenever we move on and change leadership at a tough time.

1014
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 7: And I said, okay, so you're firing her. Oh no,

1015
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that. You just said we're changing leadership.

1016
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 3: And it was like, you know, you're like you can't

1017
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: even keep.

1018
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: Your your Live Street interim in acting for god, so

1019
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: you don't even know what the adjectives you mean at

1020
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: this point. It's so comically bad in the in the

1021
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: sad part about this is all right, it's going to

1022
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: go on in for a months, okay, so put your

1023
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: political hat on here. A second, good and from the

1024
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: legal one, Okay, after the election, what happens, well.

1025
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 7: You know after the election, I mean Louell first, unfortunately,

1026
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 7: I see this dragging into the next year.

1027
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

1028
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 7: And I mean I think number one, what the first

1029
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 7: one we got to watch for is what law firm

1030
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 7: they choose. So if they choose one of the go

1031
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 7: to law firms that have represented AFTAB and council in

1032
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 7: the past, and they've gotten in trouble, we're going to

1033
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 7: know the fixes in you know, I we're hoping to

1034
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 7: go with someone outside the area, if you have some

1035
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 7: integrity here, who might actually push back. But I wouldn't

1036
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 7: hold my breath for that. So Number one is we

1037
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 7: got to watch which law firm. If it's one of

1038
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 7: these like hyper connected democratic law firms, you know, then

1039
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 7: all bets are off as to what happens there. But

1040
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 7: I would expect us to drag on at least through

1041
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 7: the end of the year with us having a suspended

1042
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 7: chief and an interim chief and then some sort of

1043
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 7: a search. If there was any integrity here, they'd wait

1044
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 7: and see what the new council is going to look

1045
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 7: like so that they could have some input. But my

1046
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 7: guess is that there's going to be like a hurry

1047
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,959
Speaker 7: up to try to resolve all this in December before

1048
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 7: anybody can come in and shine a.

1049
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 4: Light on it.

1050
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: How much longer is she under contract? How much as

1051
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: you do? How long does that last?

1052
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 7: My understanding is, and I haven't read it, but my

1053
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 7: recollection is that they renew it every two years. And

1054
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 7: that is where this gets funny from a legal standpoint,

1055
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 7: is that if you recall, we have this thing called

1056
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 7: Issue five that was passed back from two thousand and five,

1057
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 7: which is deeply unpopular with the FOP and probably is ripe.

1058
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 4: To be revisited.

1059
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 7: That kind of takes the chief out of some of

1060
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 7: for or most of the civil service protections. So the

1061
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 7: idea is that the Sydney Manager, with input from the mayor,

1062
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 7: actually could just fire the chief for cause. And that's

1063
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 7: in the charter and it spells it out pretty clearly

1064
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 7: that once you're in the job six months, it's kind

1065
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 7: of a probationary period. Could be fired for any reason.

1066
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 7: After six months, they have to actually prove that you've

1067
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 7: screwed something.

1068
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 4: Up for cause.

1069
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 7: But they are, on top of that, have apparently been

1070
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 7: issuing these two year contracts that somehow, you know, deal

1071
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 7: with compensation and so forth, and apparently there's language in

1072
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 7: there that contradicts the Charter. So that's why she's lawyered

1073
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 7: up and there's going to be some sort of a

1074
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 7: court battle about what her rights really are. And even

1075
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 7: this is a mess. I don't know how the law

1076
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 7: department allowed this to happen where you have something in

1077
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 7: the contract that I guess the contract doesn't mention her

1078
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 7: being fired for cause, but yet the charter says she is.

1079
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 7: They're in conflict, and it's the classic sort of thing

1080
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 7: that you end up, I hate to say it, having

1081
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 7: lawyers fight out in court in the fact that we're

1082
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 7: here and that we've been kind of doing business this

1083
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 7: way for years, you know, is just terrible. And again

1084
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 7: the taxpayers lose. I mean, this is going to cost

1085
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 7: every bit of a million dollars or about the salary

1086
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 7: and benefits of five to six police officers the time

1087
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 7: this is all said and done.

1088
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a Steve Gooden counsel condidate, former councilman

1089
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 2: and a charter right Steve Gooden on the Ready Fire

1090
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: aim approach with Fiji. She is on paid administrative leave.

1091
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: They name an interim chief not acting interim, so there's

1092
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: confusion there. And now they're going to hire a law

1093
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: firm that could take months for them to investigate why

1094
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: they fired her in the first place. Yeah, that's that's

1095
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: real life. That's really happening in the city right now

1096
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: with an election happening by the way, in just a

1097
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, and of course everyone is saying, I

1098
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: have to have on down. This is not political. Is

1099
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: it time for us to blow everything up? The way

1100
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: it works because we have a very inofficial if you

1101
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: live in Cincinnati, been here long til you kind of

1102
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: pay attention to it. But our government is so inefficient.

1103
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: And it starts the fact there's so much overlap between

1104
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: Hamlin County and the City of Cincinnati in fighting for

1105
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: their turf. Of course you see stadium issues and such,

1106
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: but even within the design itself. You know, you mentioned

1107
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: the contentious issue five, but also how council works, how

1108
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: the city manager in rates and all this stuff. Because

1109
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: there's cover for everyone involved. Her council can go, well,

1110
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 2: we have a strong mayor in the mayor goes, well,

1111
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: we've got a city manager, and the city manager says, well,

1112
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: we've got a mayor and a council. It's like no one,

1113
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 2: there's no one. The way we've got it wired right now,

1114
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: it strikes the average person like myself, Steve goodin that

1115
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: it's wired so there's no one accountable.

1116
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 7: Well, it's wired so that you end up with an

1117
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 7: absurd result and you know, and it would work. The

1118
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 7: current system would work. It's not perfect, but would work

1119
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 7: better if council would just step up, if we didn't

1120
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 7: have like a you know, an all a nine member

1121
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 7: politically ambitious Democratic city council who would actually step up

1122
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 7: and provide some of the oversight.

1123
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: That they are allowed to do.

1124
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 7: But I mean, to your larger point, I have always

1125
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 7: been somebody who has been pushing for at least some

1126
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 7: form of metro government so that we might actually find

1127
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 7: some of these efficiencies.

1128
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: I mean, even.

1129
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 7: Hyahoga County, even Cleveland has gone to a limited form

1130
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 7: of metro government, Indianapolis has, Louisville as I mean, it's

1131
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 7: it's ridiculous that we have all these turf battles. It's

1132
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 7: ridiculous that our departments don't work well together. And I

1133
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 7: mean back when I was in the prosecutors obviously as

1134
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 7: a young assistant prosecutor, back in two thousand and one,

1135
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 7: post to Timothy Thomas shooting and the riots that happened,

1136
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 7: we absolutely had a level of cooperation between the city

1137
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 7: and the county then that will be unheard of now.

1138
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 7: You know, we had Operation Vortex. You know they were

1139
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 7: doing gun and drug sweeps with CPD and Sheriff's patrols,

1140
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 7: I mean, and Ohio State Patrol and it was wonderful

1141
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 7: and it really made a difference. But now everyone is

1142
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 7: just in their silos and they don't cooperate at all,

1143
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 7: and it's really silly. And that's something that just desperately

1144
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 7: needs some fresh thought. And I can tell you this

1145
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 7: current crew or that's not where their head is. They're

1146
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 7: just all about protecting what they have rather than trying

1147
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 7: to look at what would actually serve the public bust.

1148
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: This is the maybe this is a catalyst for Steve.

1149
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying to be optimistic here.

1150
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 7: Well, well, I'm trying to be optimistic too, and I

1151
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 7: think another part of it is and I'm hoping this

1152
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 7: is the year and the time frame where some folks

1153
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 7: in the business community who I know have been talking

1154
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 7: for some time about metro government and substance of reforms.

1155
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 7: I know there's a working group down at the Chamber.

1156
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 7: It's very quiet that they've been looking at and studying

1157
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 7: and pushing these issues. And there's just got to come

1158
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 7: a time where we're not not just you know, the citizens,

1159
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 7: but the business community and all these other groups that

1160
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 7: kind of feed in, they have to speak up on

1161
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 7: this stuff too, I mean, because they have a right

1162
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 7: or wrong, a louder voice, and it's been very easy

1163
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 7: for them to kind of go along cynically and say, well, look,

1164
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 7: you know, I have to have very you know, he's

1165
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 7: going to win, it's a blue city, et cetera, et cetera,

1166
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 7: and just to go along to get along, and some

1167
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 7: people are going to have to stand up. I mean,

1168
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 7: you know, we've been our little group has been pretty

1169
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 7: fearless about speaking out on these issues this year. We've

1170
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 7: paid a price for it in terms of some lost

1171
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 7: friendships and broken business relationships. But that's fine. I mean,

1172
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 7: that's what it takes. We need more people to speak

1173
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 7: up and say this isn't working, we're not happy, we're

1174
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 7: not going to go along to get along. We need

1175
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 7: real substance of change, just at every step of the way.

1176
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 7: And it's just going to take some political courage and

1177
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 7: some personal courage, frankly, because you know, in this world

1178
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 7: of lobbyists and nonprofits and the people that really have

1179
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 7: a lot of voices at city hall, there's a lot

1180
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 7: of personal relationships and you have to be willing to

1181
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 7: just step on those at times if you're going to

1182
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 7: do the right thing.

1183
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: Gotch all right, he's a consul candidate, Steve Gooden. We'll

1184
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 2: see if this enacts any change. Probably not with the mayor,

1185
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: but I you know, ask others about the trickle down here,

1186
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: and I think it's I would think it's going to

1187
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: be substantial that somebody's going to pay for all this

1188
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: ineptitude that's happening at the hand of a f tab

1189
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: and cheer along and forts. It's probably gonna be some

1190
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: decent people on console for that matter. We'll see how

1191
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: it shakes out. Steve, all the best, and maybe you're

1192
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: part of that change, hopefully, and you can bring some

1193
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: of these ideas to fruition. All the best, man, have

1194
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: a great weekend. Thanks you two. Take care, take care.

1195
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 2: We got to get the news and we're in a return.

1196
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: We have fun because it's Friday. A little heavy for

1197
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: a Friday. I apologize. But the insanity what's happening in

1198
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: the city is it's unprecedented. It really really is. Austin

1199
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 2: Elmore from ESPN fifteen thirty jumps in. Next. We'll talk football, football,

1200
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: and more football, plus the NBA scandal the latest on

1201
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: that next seven hundred WW Scott Flund show. The music

1202
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: needs one thing orange synthesizers in Austin Elmore. That's what

1203
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: I think of when I hear this sees Austin More

1204
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 2: from ESPN fifteen thirty. Since he three sixty is the show?

1205
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 2: Tony Pike not anymore. It's not since he three sixty anymore? Wait,

1206
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: because he was fired for a week. Now we it's

1207
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 2: Tony Pikes since e three to sixty. Oh, Tony, what's

1208
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: the name of the show. How do you feel about

1209
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: being now relegated the fifth wheel and still the second

1210
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: My exact.

1211
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 9: Words to management were, I'm pissed about this. Yeah, and

1212
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 9: they said life's not fair. That's what they told you.

1213
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh okay, good, Well guess what. They're not wrong.

1214
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: You're You're on You're right now, You're on this show

1215
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: on l W. And Tony's not about that. On the

1216
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: other hand, he's going to be inducted to the UC

1217
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame later today. I know. I am looking

1218
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: forward to that. It's before it. I'll have later out

1219
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: of the show to talk. It's a great weekend though,

1220
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: because like the Pike's doing that and you've got lap

1221
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: going in.

1222
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 9: It's it's awesome. And the weather it looks like it's

1223
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 9: going to be pretty good. I love a four o'clock

1224
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 9: start at Nippert. That's going to be beautiful. I'm come up

1225
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 9: against Baylor. Yeah, it's it's gonna be a fun weekend.

1226
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 9: I have a hankering to go to the Bengals game.

1227
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 9: I don't know why, but like, I really just want

1228
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 9: to go. You know, I know why. You just expected

1229
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 9: it to be a beatdown. No, I don't, No, I don't.

1230
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 9: I don't expect that. Well, let's jump into that. Let's

1231
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 9: start before we get into all that stuff. First of all,

1232
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 9: reaction to the NBA scandal yesterday. I'll give you my

1233
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 9: take whatever that might be on it. But I'm curious

1234
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 9: this thing holds it And I've just talked about this.

1235
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 9: To me, it's not that a broke, it's when it broke, Yeah,

1236
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 9: right after the start of the season, like the day after.

1237
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 2: It overshadowed Opening Day basically so well.

1238
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 9: And I think what we've learned so far already is

1239
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 9: that the NBA knew about this and swept it under

1240
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 9: the rug.

1241
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: And that tells me the Trump administration said, watch this

1242
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: we're going to ruin opening week maybe because it's been

1243
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: going on for years, Why do it that day? Well,

1244
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1245
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 9: And obviously there's this belief that Gilbert Arenas, who was

1246
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 9: the first arrest in this, snitched on everybody back in July.

1247
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 9: And so you could say that, Okay, well, over the

1248
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 9: last couple of months, they've been getting their p's and

1249
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 9: q's in order and getting this case strong so that

1250
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 9: they can go and you know, do this whole thing. Ye,

1251
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 9: Or you can say they knew this whole time what

1252
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 9: was going to happen, and so we're going to do

1253
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 9: it to ruin the NBA.

1254
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: Maybe.

1255
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 9: So I don't know that it matters that much as

1256
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 9: much as the truth matters here, and the truth is

1257
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 9: that the NBA has a gambling problem. This is not

1258
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 9: the first time that this has happened. And you know,

1259
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 9: you don't see this issue in the NFL.

1260
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: Nope.

1261
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 9: You've started to see it a little bit in Major Baseball.

1262
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 9: You don't see it in hockey. You haven't seen it

1263
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 9: at the college level to this point. The NBA has

1264
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 9: an issue specifically with this, and I think part of

1265
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 9: it is you play eighty two games, there's so many

1266
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 9: singular prop bets. There's so many different ways to manipulate it.

1267
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 9: But the sports books know, and the sports books knew

1268
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 9: about Terry Rozier right away, and the NBA came up

1269
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 9: with this fake injury and he stopped playing, and they

1270
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 9: knew about it and swept it under the rug. Come

1271
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 9: to find out, it goes deeper with ties to a

1272
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 9: crime family and high stakes poker games and these elite

1273
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 9: level boards and sunglasses.

1274
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: And a car table X ray table. I'm going to

1275
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: Watson's like.

1276
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 9: It goes so deep, and it's just it's not a

1277
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 9: good thing for the NBA.

1278
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: It's not And here's that. And that's why I think

1279
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: is like the NBA did investigation on Rogier, right, It's like, oh,

1280
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: it had nothing to see here, And then the FBI

1281
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: is probably saying they're like, yeah, now the FB like

1282
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: did they were they incompetent investigation or did they just

1283
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: simply go, hey, man, the money's rolling in. We don't

1284
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: want to we don't need controversy. And I think that's

1285
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: why they did this the day after in an overshadowed

1286
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: opening week. It took all the steam out of that

1287
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: engine that the big build up for the NBA season,

1288
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: and I think that was to send a message and

1289
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: politics aside.

1290
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 9: I have no problem with that because there is no

1291
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 9: place because I love the NBA. I watched the NBA.

1292
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 9: There's no place for that, and you've got to get

1293
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 9: it buttoned up. This is one of the concerns that

1294
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 9: people had from the very beginning. So the NBA is

1295
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 9: I'm sure feeling the pressure from the sports books in

1296
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 9: and of itself, and they're probably like, Hey, aren't you

1297
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 9: gonna do anything about this? And they're like, no, we're good.

1298
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 9: Well it's like, hello, you're messing with our business. So

1299
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 9: then you get the FBI involved. I'm sure the other

1300
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 9: leagues are not happy with the NBA two because now

1301
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 9: doubt starts to creep into everything that had Yeah.

1302
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: Well, and I think the other element is people are

1303
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: making this is the in the integrity of sports with

1304
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: gambling and college like you've always had that, you're still

1305
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: gonna have it. And look at how he got caught right,

1306
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: it was it was a professional gambler. It's putting all

1307
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: this money in Rogier that basically betting the under knowing

1308
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: that he was going to leave the game, and it

1309
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: set off all these signals are off of the sports

1310
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: books and kind of like remember the UC scandal what

1311
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 2: you see was named in it with the Alabama baseball coach.

1312
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: Sure that happened the summer at GABP. I was just

1313
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: talking about that going It's the same thing. Were like,

1314
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: this guy put one hundred thousand dollars on an Alabama

1315
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: baseball game for the picture for them to way because

1316
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: they knew the starting pitcher was gonna eat pinch. It's like,

1317
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: it's what else is new?

1318
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 6: Right?

1319
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: So anyway, let's move on to football. You see Tony

1320
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 2: Pike Day at at Nipperts Stadium as home coming, and

1321
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: of course normally we talk about Baylor, we think about

1322
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament and basketball, not so much with football.

1323
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: I will say though, that you look at their record

1324
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: and you look it up, they're still putting up with

1325
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: thirty six points, so you know, and UC's defense is

1326
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 2: certainly not the best it's ever been. High scoring game.

1327
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 9: You think on something, I think you see defenses a

1328
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 9: work in progress, and they're an entirely different defense without

1329
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 9: Dante Corleone on the field, and they have to do

1330
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 9: a better job of adjusting because teams are taking advantage

1331
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 9: of that defense when he's not on the field. And

1332
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 9: Baylor specifically as one of the best passing offenses in

1333
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 9: the NFL or in the in the country in college football,

1334
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 9: So they are going to try to air it out.

1335
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 9: They're gonna try to use play action, They're gonna try

1336
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 9: to get those linebackers out of position, and it's not

1337
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 9: it's gonna be a challenge for you.

1338
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: Six Saturday.

1339
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 9: Brendan Sowersby is playing like one of the best quarterbacks

1340
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 9: in the country eighteen to one touchdown to interception ratio.

1341
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 9: He's been able to move the ball with his feet

1342
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 9: outside the pocket. He's finally got weapons that he can

1343
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 9: get the ball to on the outside. They're they're playing

1344
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 9: as good as they have under Scott's sadderfield altogether. I

1345
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 9: think their special teams has been pretty solid as well.

1346
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 9: So Bearcats are favored. I expect them to win. And yeah,

1347
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 9: it's gonna be a fun weekend with Tony going into

1348
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 9: the Hall of Fame tonight and a few others and

1349
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 9: they're all being honored and there's a big parade tomorrow

1350
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 9: before the game as well that Tony's gonna be the

1351
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 9: Grand Marshagans they're taking.

1352
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 2: It's in front of day Open giant inflatable, real size

1353
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: Tony Pike head. Well, I don't know if they make

1354
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: them that big.

1355
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 7: Uh.

1356
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 2: And speaking of honoring people, are Tony Pike and our

1357
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: Dave Lapham gets it on Sunday a ring of honor

1358
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: and the three and four Bengals trying to get to

1359
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: an even five hundred six and a half point favorites

1360
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: the dog of the league, the New York Football Jets

1361
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: are in with their oh to seven record, and you know,

1362
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: you look at it on page it's a it's a

1363
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: total mismatch, especially considering the injuries that a bad Jets

1364
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 2: team has on top of this.

1365
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 6: Uh.

1366
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: But nonetheless it's still an seven team. It's cornering an

1367
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: injured dog, so to speak. You gotta watch out. Yeah.

1368
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 9: And historically the Bengals, coming off of the quote unquote

1369
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 9: many bye are not very good. I believe they've lost

1370
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 9: nine straight games following a Thursday game over the last

1371
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 9: ten seasons. Now, in their last ten Thursday games, they're

1372
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 9: six and four, So they've been good at that, but

1373
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 9: they've almost always followed it up with the loss. They

1374
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 9: have to avoid that against the Jets. On Sunday. My

1375
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 9: biggest issue with the Bengals right now is even if

1376
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 9: the Jets are hurt, and even if they're zero and seven,

1377
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 9: and even if you don't know who their quarterback is,

1378
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 9: if you don't tackle, you will get beat. Like their

1379
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 9: defense is good enough to keep them in the game

1380
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 9: even with the injuries, but you have got to get

1381
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 9: your defense off the field. If you're the Bengals. What

1382
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 9: are the three biggest issues with the Bengals. They have

1383
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 9: a bad offensive line, they have a bad defensive line,

1384
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 9: and they can't tackle. It doesn't matter who you play

1385
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 9: in the National Football League. Those three things will get

1386
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 9: you beat.

1387
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 4: Got it?

1388
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 9: So the offensive line trending in the right direction, defensive

1389
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 9: line you think will be better with Trey hendrickson coming back.

1390
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 9: You have got to tackle or you will lose. You

1391
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 9: can't overlook this game. You can't start looking ahead to Chicago.

1392
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 9: You can't have a hangover after you beat the Steelers

1393
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 9: on a Thursday night. Hopefully a normal week with the

1394
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 9: Bengals offense and with Joe Flacco and maybe a little

1395
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 9: bit of clarity on what this defense wants to do

1396
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 9: and if they're a little healthier, can mean that the

1397
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 9: Bengals start to turn it in the right direction. But

1398
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 9: those things, especially the tackling the last two weeks nineteen

1399
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 9: misstackles against the Green Bay Packers, double digits again against

1400
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 9: the Pittsburgh Steelers. That cannot happen. That is a red

1401
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 9: flag for the Bengals. Cray is limited with the hip.

1402
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 9: Does it make sense that you could still win this

1403
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,919
Speaker 9: game with Shamar and there? I mean, granted, now he's

1404
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 9: not played up to where he should be or expected

1405
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 9: being even by those admission he hasn't either. But it

1406
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 9: feels to me, with the limited weapons that they have,

1407
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 9: and now Tyrod Taylor, who's going to be a pocket,

1408
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 9: it seems to me like you can win without Trey.

1409
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: Being in there.

1410
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, you would think so, or if this makes sense

1411
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 9: to rest him again, I don't know that I would

1412
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 9: do that. Trey will want to play and part of

1413
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 9: his contract involves playtime, so him missing one game, he's

1414
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 9: not going to want to do that. But at the

1415
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 9: bare minimum, I would like to see him in at

1416
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 9: pass rushing downs. You know, much like the Packers at

1417
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 9: the beginning of the season with Michael Parsons, he had

1418
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 9: that back injury. He only really came out on the

1419
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 9: field on third downs, third and five or longer. And

1420
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 9: so maybe we'll see that type of thing from Trey

1421
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 9: Hendrickson and redoce that workload a little bit, because Shamar

1422
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 9: needs more reps and I give him a little bit

1423
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 9: of grace coming off the ankle injury against the Steelers

1424
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 9: last week, but he's got to start making some noise.

1425
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: Nobody else really is now.

1426
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 9: I will say this, Joseph Osai has really ticked up

1427
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 9: over the last couple of games. He's starting to trend

1428
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 9: in the right direction. One of the league leaders in

1429
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 9: pressures right now. So if Osai can stay consistent much

1430
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 9: like he was the final five games of last year

1431
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 9: with Trey, with Shamar, you might start to have something.

1432
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 9: You're gonna have to run game. I have a run game.

1433
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 2: Mean, Chase Brown put up ridiculous numbers last week. Didn't

1434
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: No one saw that comings They've been so bad all

1435
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: year and then just absolutely flashes. You probably don't have

1436
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: to put that kind of performance in simply because mentioned

1437
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: the injury bug. I was kind of looking forward to

1438
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: seeing Sauce against our number ones, right Chase on twenty

1439
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: twenty two, when he came in the league. It's like, here,

1440
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: do you see guy homecoming weekend and be a great story.

1441
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 2: He comes in, he shut Chase down last time, while

1442
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: he do it again this week, so he is out.

1443
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 2: You look at their secondary, the guy I will forget

1444
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: what his name, other corner he's got to I think

1445
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: he's gonna play. They're so banged up. But the point

1446
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 2: is he's just gonna air the ball out. I mean,

1447
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: you can need a little run game to balance with Flacco,

1448
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: but yeah, he's just gonna pass them, cut them up.

1449
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 9: I would expect the Bengals to try to keep it

1450
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 9: going with that, that run game that they found against Pittsburgh.

1451
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 9: I think they want to really double down on that

1452
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 9: and establish that because you can see how that opens

1453
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 9: up the rest of the offense. And the Bengals had

1454
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 9: a big tendency breaker against the Steelers, which is when

1455
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 9: they went under center, they did a couple I think

1456
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 9: four straight drop back passes, which means when they're under center,

1457
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 9: previously it was either they run the ball or they

1458
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 9: play action. Now two step, three step drop ball out

1459
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 9: of the hands of Joe Flacco. Defenses had to be

1460
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 9: prepared for that. That opens up parts of the offense

1461
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 9: as well, and it especially opens up parts of that

1462
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 9: run game. I saw some creativity in that run game.

1463
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 9: I saw some execution. Dalton Reisner at left guard. Don't

1464
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 9: know if he's going to start. Zach Taylor hasn't said

1465
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 9: going to be, but Dalton Reisner over the course of

1466
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 9: his career has played left guard more and he looked

1467
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 9: a lot more comfortable there against the Pittsburgh and good

1468
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 9: correct So I could see Zach Taylor saying, Okay, I'm

1469
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 9: gonna stick with what's working here. If we're able to

1470
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 9: run the ball effectively with this grouping, let's stick with

1471
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 9: that and see how it goes.

1472
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: Now, are they do?

1473
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 9: They have a short leash like Jalen Rivers who is

1474
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 9: struggling in pass protection, maybe especially if there's a situation

1475
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 9: where the Bengals have to throw the ball. But I

1476
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 9: think Zach will lean into that run game to try

1477
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 9: to really get some confidence and some consistency in that

1478
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 9: unit going, and then that will open up the pass game,

1479
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 9: much like you saw against.

1480
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: Yea and Dylan Fairshat and always hurt coming back off

1481
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 2: that and what pieces he puts together for for this

1482
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: Jets game. But he has options there as they start

1483
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 2: to hopefully it looks like they're turning the corner. But

1484
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 2: the Jets, you know, as a bad team to begin with,

1485
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: you got you got Tyrod Taylor in there. You don't

1486
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: have to worry about Justin Field's running all over you.

1487
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: Tyrod's gonna be a pocket guy at this state of

1488
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: the game. Joe Flacco gets to play another old quarterback.

1489
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 2: They were teammates fourteen years ago. It's insane in twenty

1490
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: eleven to Rod Taylor and Joe Flacco were teammates with

1491
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens. Isn't that crazy that they're both still

1492
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: doing it? Yeah, they really are. Yeah, but you don't

1493
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: want to look past it. They're owing seven like you

1494
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 2: should die.

1495
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 9: And I think the message from from Zach Taylor should

1496
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 9: be this week, Hey, all the crap that we've went

1497
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 9: to went through, and we're going to getting forty year

1498
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 9: old quarterback and Joe Burrow is still hurt. We still

1499
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 9: have a chance to be five hundred and two and

1500
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 9: zero in our division at home over the next couple

1501
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 9: of weeks, and we can get the five hundred before

1502
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 9: the bye. That should be the message. Everything you want

1503
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 9: is still right in front of you. And I think

1504
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 9: the confidence of going and beating the Pittsburgh Steelers, the

1505
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 9: way that they played in that second half against Green Bay.

1506
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 9: I think this team has more confidence now than they've

1507
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 9: had at any point since Burrow got hurt, and that

1508
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 9: I think is a good thing. But you just want

1509
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 9: to avoid that hangover and say, okay, listen, you got

1510
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 9: to get to four and four so that you have

1511
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 9: a chance to get to five and four before the bid.

1512
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 2: Chicago is a good team. We'll talk about that next week.

1513
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: That could be the trap there.

1514
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 9: But that's the thing is you're gonna play a lot

1515
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 9: of good teams between now at the end of the season.

1516
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 9: There's a stretch there with Buffalo and Baltimore twice and

1517
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 9: New England is really coming on strong. So these games

1518
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 9: are very, very very important if you're continuing to try

1519
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 9: to buy some time for Joe Burrow.

1520
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 2: We're also heading close to the trade deadline, and I

1521
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: you know, bring up the Logan Wilson thing and every

1522
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 2: year you have teams at the and I get it, man,

1523
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: you know, here's a guy, he's what is late twenties,

1524
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: twenty nine, I think, and he wants to play and

1525
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: they got rookies in there, he's not playing, and so

1526
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 2: he had played. They sat him at Green Bay last week,

1527
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 2: and you're looking for a new home, so you know,

1528
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 2: I know that a lot has been made. I don't

1529
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: think that's controversial. I think that's just the NFL and

1530
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 2: he'll end up somewhere else.

1531
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a lot of guys that have asked for

1532
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,959
Speaker 9: trades over the last couple of years with the Bengals,

1533
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 9: and none of them have gotten traded. So I don't

1534
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 9: know that it means all that much. It's a smart

1535
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 9: move for him because you're two weeks out of the

1536
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 9: trade deadline and they clearly don't plan on playing you

1537
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 9: a significant amount. And there are some linebacker needy teams

1538
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 9: out there, the Dallas Cowboys, the forty nine ers. You

1539
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,640
Speaker 9: obviously think of the fit of him and Louen or

1540
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 9: Rumo in Indianapolis. There are some other teams out there that, Okay,

1541
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 9: they might pick up the phone and call for Logan Wilson,

1542
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 9: But the Bengals, as far as I'm concerned, the depth

1543
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 9: at that position is still a major issue. You know,

1544
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 9: outside of Logan Wilson, it's Shaka Hayward and Orrin Burks,

1545
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 9: and you don't really want to have to turn to

1546
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 9: those guys in the biggest moments.

1547
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: Austin Elmore today ESPN fifteenth thirty, Tony Pike, since E

1548
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 2: three Tony Pikes, since he three to sixty. I'm just

1549
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: gonna call it since E three six. Thanks man, you

1550
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 2: got it starring Austin Elmore. Yeah, today at noon, my guy,

1551
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,560
Speaker 2: the home of the best Bengals coverage seven hundred WW Cincinnati.

1552
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: It's got a flum show on seven hundred WLW. The

1553
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: National Football League it is a monster, and that I

1554
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: think really diminishes what it is. I wish I could

1555
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 2: come up with a better adjective because I think about it,

1556
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: you know, yea, how big soccer is in racing and tennis,

1557
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: and the NFL generates more revenue than any other league

1558
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 2: in the world, and it's nearly all domestic if you

1559
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: think about it. As far as TV shows go. NFL

1560
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 2: counted for seventy the top one hundred broadcasts in the

1561
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 2: United States last year twenty three billion in revenue. The

1562
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 2: Bengals and the all the other thirty one teams get

1563
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 2: over four hundred and thirty million dollars a year back

1564
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 2: from the NFL from TV revenue and all everything involved there.

1565
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: And there are three powerful figures that got us to

1566
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 2: where we are today. Is one of them Paul Brown.

1567
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 2: Let me ask Ken ken Belson. He's a veteran NFL

1568
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: business reporter with the New York Times, has the book

1569
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 2: out every day is Sunday, and Ken, welcome, How are

1570
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: you very good?

1571
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on.

1572
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we live in Cincinnati where Paul Brown still casts

1573
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 2: the shadow. I think you know the person who is

1574
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 2: essentially one of the cornerstones in the Mount Rushmore of

1575
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 2: the early NFL. But we're not talking about that. We're

1576
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: talking over the last couple of decades and how it

1577
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: became such a revenue monster. And the three people responsible

1578
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 2: are whom.

1579
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones and I started the book in the early nineties.

1580
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 4: So just as a reference for it, if we're going

1581
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 4: to expand Mount Rushmore, Paul Brown would most definitely be

1582
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,799
Speaker 4: on it. But Jerry Jones, Robert Craft and now Roger Goodell,

1583
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 4: and I'm talking dollars and sometimes common sense.

1584
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look at that line. Go well, Jerry Jones

1585
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: came in prior to Robert Craft, I believe, and Roger

1586
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: Goodell of course the last commissioner. So let's start with

1587
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: the time. Let's start with Jerry Jones.

1588
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 4: Sure, Jerry came in eighty nine. The Cowboys, which used

1589
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 4: to be America's team self proclaimed, of course, you know,

1590
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 4: were flat on their back. They were losing a million

1591
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 4: dollars a month. And he revived what was then the

1592
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 4: premieer brand of the seventies, and all those Landry Stylebach teams,

1593
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 4: he revived them. He brought money in Glymer and Glitz back,

1594
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 4: and of course won three Super Bowls. But his big contribution,

1595
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 4: at least from where I sick writing the book looking

1596
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 4: at the League overall, was he was the first to

1597
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 4: look at the TV kind of tracts, which back then

1598
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 4: was CBS, ABC, NBC. There were only three bidders. It

1599
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 4: was a cozy club art model of the Browns used

1600
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 4: to run the the broadcasting contract. And Jerry, you know,

1601
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 4: as an entrepreneur, said why don't we have a fourth bidder,

1602
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 4: Why don't we get an auction going, which is also

1603
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 4: business common sense yep. So he invited in a fellow

1604
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 4: named Rupert Murdoch, who was desperate for sports, to put

1605
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 4: Fox on the map and to get affiliates to switch

1606
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 4: over to him, and it worked. He blew a CBS

1607
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 4: out of the water. CBS learned its lesson, came back

1608
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 4: four years later and paid twice as much for the

1609
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 4: AFC package. And so Jerry really brought that kind of

1610
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 4: businessman's instinct, also a bit of a wildcatter's instinct. He

1611
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 4: started marketing the cowboys every which way and that pissed

1612
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 4: off a lot of old owners. But yeah, he, as

1613
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 4: Carmen Polosy said, he taught us how to make money.

1614
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 4: That's what Jerry goes.

1615
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 5: He really did.

1616
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean, think how you monetized the cheerleaders too. Had said, hey,

1617
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 2: you know Sexel sex Adalla's cowboy chelers are a huge

1618
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 2: thing in the seventies, had a TV show and everything.

1619
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: So he was squeezing every possible nickel out and this

1620
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 2: precipitated the era that we're in right now with the flamboyants,

1621
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 2: the media presence, the monetization of everything. So how does

1622
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 2: that then lead into Robert Craft? How did what did

1623
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 2: he add to the mix?

1624
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 4: Well, Robert came in very much like Jerry. He paid

1625
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 4: record amount for a really bad team. The Patriots were

1626
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 4: always at the bottom of the league financially and usually

1627
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 4: in the standings as well, and he, you know, again

1628
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 4: set out to revive it. He built a new stadium

1629
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 4: eventually and then built real estate around it and went

1630
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl, as we all know. But again

1631
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 4: he got very involved in league business and also on

1632
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 4: the media side. He had owned part owned a CBS

1633
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,799
Speaker 4: affiliate in Boston, so he already had really good contact

1634
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 4: with Les Moonbez and Melk Camisan and these guys. And

1635
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 4: you know, he was the guy who brought CBS back

1636
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety six and they, as I said, they

1637
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 4: did twice as much for what was considered back then.

1638
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 4: The AFC package was considered less prestigious. So Robert also

1639
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 4: had that instinct we all need to we need to

1640
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 4: lift all both. We can't just focus on our own

1641
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 4: teams in our own markets. And you know, Jerry in

1642
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 4: various places has picked on the Browns, the Brown family,

1643
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 4: and the Bengals because they weren't carrying or he felt

1644
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 4: they weren't carrying their weight. But his argument was, look,

1645
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 4: if we juice up the marketing, you know, everybody should

1646
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 4: be able to sell in their own markets and make

1647
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 4: extra money. But you know, some of the older teams

1648
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 4: are the older owners. They this wasn't how they did business.

1649
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 4: So there was a good culture clash, and it's a good one.

1650
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 4: But there was a culture class in the nineties that

1651
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 4: now is just taken for granted. Everybody's in it to make.

1652
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 2: Money, yeah, and it really has. And I think Bob

1653
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: Kraft and he had a hand in launching NFL Network

1654
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 2: and Sunday Ticket and all those things we just take

1655
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 2: for granted. But that was largely out of the mind

1656
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: of Bob Craft, wasn't it.

1657
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 4: Absolutely? And you know, Bob still called Robert. He still

1658
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 4: goes to the Allen and Company, you know confab out

1659
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 4: Idaho every summer. He's you know, shoulders with NBC. All

1660
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 4: the networks come to see and go through Bob Craft.

1661
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 4: The big Sunday ticket renewal with YouTube when they switched

1662
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 4: over to YouTube was over two billion dollars a year,

1663
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 4: more than double what had been paid. And again, Craft

1664
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 4: was very instrumental in that in some ways. Really interestingly,

1665
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 4: Jerry and Robert compete against each other for who gets

1666
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 4: credit for all this and they so I guess their

1667
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 4: egos also put them up on the Mount rushmore.

1668
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So Paul Brown begets Jerry Jones, a big gess

1669
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft to So where does that go?

1670
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 4: Then?

1671
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 2: If that that lineage, you can get Bob Kraft, Getrie Jones.

1672
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 2: Who's the next I guess revolutionary? If you will change

1673
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 2: into the NFL, strights ownership goes which owner?

1674
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like we're entering NFL three point zero here.

1675
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 4: You know where teams are even now like lifestyle brands,

1676
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 4: they're becoming you know, real estate play. They're becoming literally communities.

1677
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 4: You look at what's happening in Nashville. They're building townhouses

1678
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 4: next to NFL stadiums. It used to be I mean,

1679
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 4: you know this every fan does. Stadiums used to be

1680
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 4: out in the suburbs and they were just surrounded by

1681
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 4: miles of parking lots. Kansas City still has that, and

1682
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 4: teams are realizing, Boy, our brands are so powerful. We

1683
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 4: could sell pretty much anything because fans want to be

1684
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 4: sort of close to it, and Baseball has done a

1685
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 4: good job of it over the years. You know, building

1686
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 4: stadiums in cities. You know, family was sort of grandfarthered

1687
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 4: in even my beloved vents. You know, they're now putting

1688
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 4: a soccer stadium across the street and apartments. But football's

1689
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 4: been slow to them, partly because of the size of

1690
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 4: the stadiums and just the infrequency of the number of games.

1691
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: But there there is a scary city with the NFL, right,

1692
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is amazing part about this is

1693
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,839
Speaker 2: they did this is a baseball or hockey or the NBA.

1694
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: This is like seventeen weeks. Eighteen weeks, you're beginning, ending,

1695
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 2: and done. And that's an incredibly small amount of time

1696
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 2: to generate this kind of revenue. You're right about the bomb. Mean,

1697
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati, you know, you can get a place

1698
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 2: overlooking Great American Ballpark. So he's Ken Belson. He writes

1699
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 2: for the New York Times vetric Reporter every day a Sunday.

1700
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 2: How Jerry Jones, Robert Craft and Roger Goodell turned the

1701
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut. It's fascinating. So

1702
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 2: we get to Roger Goodell, now Ken and his target

1703
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 2: going in when he took office, I think in twenty

1704
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 2: oh six, he wanted to triple the NFL revenue to

1705
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 2: twenty five billion by twenty twenty seven. I said in

1706
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 2: the open last year they did twenty three billion. He's

1707
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 2: not on target, he's over target.

1708
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, and it was audacious when he made

1709
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 4: that prediction to the owners. He was a relatively new

1710
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 4: commissioner then, but he wanted to show the owners what

1711
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 4: he was about. He was working on behalf of them

1712
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 4: in the thirty two and you know, as he knows,

1713
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 4: he knows who pays his salary. And if you said

1714
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 4: an aggressive target, even the owners in the room that

1715
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,560
Speaker 4: I spoke with were shaking their saying, how are we

1716
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 4: going to get there? That's up billion dollars a year

1717
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 4: for fifteen some odd years. That's that's pretty audacious. And

1718
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 4: the league back then was maybe ten billion dollars. So

1719
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 4: he did it. He did it through TV deals, not

1720
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 4: just Roger, of course, but he sets the tone in

1721
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 4: the building, not just for the media deals that the

1722
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 4: owners negotiate, but the sponsorships. You look now, of course

1723
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:26,879
Speaker 4: you got Verizon and Pepsi. There's a new official bank EA,

1724
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 4: the game company. They keep splicing, slicing it a little

1725
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 4: thinner and finding new ways to market. And you know

1726
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 4: it used to be and have a drink, Well, now

1727
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 4: there's the official rum sponsor, the official bost sponsor. So

1728
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 4: they're finding money in new places and look, brands want

1729
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 4: to be associated with the league and many sports.

1730
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, Ken, how has international expansion worked? Is that

1731
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 2: the future? Because it seems they're really pushing it. It's

1732
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: hard to tell me. You have a lot of expats attending

1733
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 2: games in London and elsewhere, and you're trying it in

1734
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,799
Speaker 2: different countries and in different continents. Is that the future

1735
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 2: of the NFL?

1736
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 4: It's one future of the NFL. I think there's something

1737
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 4: of a misconception that you know, this is like gravy

1738
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 4: on top of you know, an already robust domestic market.

1739
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 4: But the reality is they need to look overseas. The

1740
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 4: growth rate in America is population growth rate is slowing.

1741
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 4: You know, the concussion issue has turned some parents away

1742
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 4: from football, and you know, many many studies have shown

1743
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 4: that what sport you play as a kid is going

1744
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 4: to turn you into a fan later in life. So

1745
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 4: if you play grow up playing a little league baseball, you're

1746
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 4: more likely to be a baseball fan. Of course, you

1747
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 4: like many sports, but your primary sport. So the NFL

1748
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 4: needs young kids playing the game. And that's where Flag

1749
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 4: comes in obviously, because it's a cheap way to start

1750
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 4: kids out on football and also to reassure parents. But

1751
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 4: it's also why the NFL is looking overseas. They need

1752
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 4: new fans, new markets, new media deals, new sponsors, and

1753
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 4: so they using flag because outside of North America probably Germany,

1754
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 4: really not many people play it. So they have to

1755
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 4: educate fans. So I see international as much as a

1756
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 4: necessity as a luxury, and that's why we're seeing all

1757
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 4: these extra games being added. Roger Goodell see apparently they

1758
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 4: want to add two more international games next year. Eventually

1759
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 4: they'll get to basically one every week by the time

1760
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 4: they're done with it.

1761
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 2: And that seems like, I think of your football fan here,

1762
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 2: it just seems like that in no way the Europeans

1763
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 2: a British state, they don't really care about American football that.

1764
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 2: But it wasn't that long ago. Mostly under Roger Goodell,

1765
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 2: we said the same thing about female fans. It's a

1766
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 2: bunch of guys watching the women go and shop and

1767
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: make dinner or whatever. You know. Back of the seventies,

1768
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: SAJ think and now just as many women is matter

1769
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 2: watching football. How do they pull that one off?

1770
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a very deliberate long term strategy. Flag

1771
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 4: is one way to teach the game to fans who

1772
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 4: aren't interested in you know, option plays and or pos

1773
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 4: and all this other stuff, but they want they see

1774
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,480
Speaker 4: the basics. I think they've been very good the branding

1775
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 4: of the league. I'm not just talking about preast cancer awareness,

1776
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 4: but literally the fashion items. If you go on NFL

1777
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 4: dot com, there's a lot of women's uh that lean

1778
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 4: into the women's fashion as well. Uh. And trying to

1779
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 4: make it sort of more fan friendly. The game day experience.

1780
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 4: I mean the days when you would tailgate, drink a

1781
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 4: six pack of beer and go with your buddies. They're

1782
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 4: trying to make it so you can bring your kids

1783
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 4: to the game and your wife, maybe your girlfriend, So

1784
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 4: softening the sport a little bit. Not like the old

1785
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 4: dog Pound in the municipal stadium, you know she was

1786
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 4: was It wasn't even fan friendly, but uh yeah it

1787
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 4: was kind of a rough out there. So yeah, So

1788
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 4: I think these are all very deliberate efforts to sort

1789
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 4: of broaden the audience because the older fans, I mean

1790
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 4: not one of them, we're aging out. Younger kids want

1791
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 4: an experience. This isn't just true of football, but many sports.

1792
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 4: They're looking for the experience, not so much looking for

1793
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 4: a season package. They're by the jersey, but you need

1794
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 4: a Joe Burrow, you know, you need some star pal.

1795
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 4: And then the NFL has picked up on that.

1796
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think maybe still a little bit from

1797
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 2: the NBA speaking of that. Of course, you know, we

1798
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 2: have controversies right and navigating and can suck concussion lawsuits

1799
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: and CTE and the flight date and all that stuff.

1800
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 2: NFL is really really good about handling criseses and flare

1801
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 2: ups like that.

1802
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. One of the themes in the book is you

1803
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 4: see over and over the Ray Rice issue, the bullying scandal,

1804
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 4: the de fight, to a certain degree, deflacate the social

1805
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 4: justice protests in twenty seventeen. The NFL is kind of

1806
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 4: a deck at identifying the problem, trying to minimize the risk,

1807
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 4: usually with lawyers. Concussion crisis another example of this, and

1808
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 4: then trying to turn the focus back to number one

1809
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 4: quote what they call solutions, say for helmets, neurologists on

1810
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 4: the sidelines, and then trying to pivot forward, you know,

1811
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 4: and rebranding the game. They know, like it's you and

1812
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 4: I would understand, anybody would understand it. It's all about

1813
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 4: the games. Once the games start, people are hooked, particularly

1814
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,839
Speaker 4: late in the season, and so they try and address

1815
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 4: these problems so they can quickly pivot back to the football,

1816
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 4: the action on the field.

1817
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ken, what do you see as the biggest threat

1818
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 2: to the NFL over the next decade? Is it health?

1819
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 2: Is in fan engagement? Something else?

1820
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 4: You know. The players now see gambling very differently. Many

1821
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 4: of them have grown up as adults after sports legalized

1822
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 4: sports gambling. You know, sports gambling was legalized nationally, so

1823
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 4: they don't have the same Alex karras Paul Hornig, you know,

1824
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 4: Pete Rose stigma, right, and it's mean as more entertainment.

1825
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 4: And I think players are going to unwittingly walk into

1826
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 4: some of these traps and not fully grasp what's going on.

1827
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 4: The Other thing is FELP funds. This is both good

1828
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 4: in bad. You can watch your favorite highlights to get

1829
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 4: your fantasy scores, but it also distracts you from the

1830
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 4: actual product, and gambling only accelerates that. You know, the

1831
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 4: dopamine hit of seeing your favorite player score a touchdown

1832
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 4: and maybe get you six points in a fantasy league

1833
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 4: is now accelerated. You know, hyped up when money is

1834
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 4: on the line, and you know, so I think it's

1835
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 4: it's it's not just the NFL, but the NFL is

1836
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 4: the most gambled on sport, and I think they're going

1837
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 4: to grapple with sort of a changing fan attitude towards

1838
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 4: the league. And I don't know how you put the

1839
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 4: genie back in the bottle. That's not my expertise, but

1840
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 4: it's it's going to play out over a bunch of

1841
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 4: years now.

1842
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 2: Also, wonder how AI is going to change all the

1843
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 2: That's that's the unforeseen. I'm the I'm sure the NFL

1844
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 2: lean into it and adapt to whatever it is. But

1845
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: you know, I see that from an entertainment perspective, which

1846
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,879
Speaker 2: sports is. It's not about sports anymore, it's about entertainment.

1847
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 2: I see that as an existential threat.

1848
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, right now AI is being used

1849
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 4: mostly in in you know, analytics departments at teams, but

1850
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 4: also to figure out a way to get you to

1851
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 4: buy an extra ticket or you know, anticipate what you're

1852
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 4: going to want to drink when you get to the

1853
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 4: stadium and send you a coupon for it. So right

1854
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 4: now it's mostly on the business side, but there could

1855
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 4: be media strategies around it. I mean, fans are using

1856
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 4: it all over the place, and you know, spoofing is

1857
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 4: a big issue too. But I just think that the trusts.

1858
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 4: It's so hard in any brand to build up trust,

1859
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,799
Speaker 4: and it can evaporate very quickly if there's a scandal

1860
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 4: and people stop believing what they're watching.

1861
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 2: All right, veteran New York Times sports reporter Ken Belson.

1862
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: The book is Every Day Is Sunday. How Jerry Jones,

1863
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 2: Robert Craft, Roger Goodell turn the NFL into a cultural

1864
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 2: and economic juggernauts. Fantastic read, Very very interesting, and considering

1865
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 2: we are the home of the best Bengals coverage, I

1866
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 2: think pretty relevant too to see where things have gone

1867
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 2: and where they're going. Ken, all the best, good luck

1868
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 2: with the book. Thanks for jumping on this morning.

1869
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 4: All right, and Gojo Flackham.

1870
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 2: We need we need Joe to go and the your

1871
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 2: Jets to go down. That's what we need.

1872
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 4: That's another former Jets quarterback elsewhere.

1873
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get the Jets and the Browns together with quarterbacks.

1874
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 2: It's like a it's like an insynct grinder, for God's sake,

1875
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 2: see you.

1876
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 4: Buddy, Yeah, Okay, take care.

1877
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 2: We'll do a news update here in just minutes on

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Speaker 2: the big one seven hundred WWS afore mentioned j E

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Speaker 2: T S Jets. Jets Jets are in town Sunday. We'll

1880
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 2: have the game for you here, of course, with Dan

1881
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Speaker 2: and the Ring of Honor inductee himself, Dave Lapham here

1882
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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW.

1883
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Speaker 10: The weekend's coming on and you need to make the

1884
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Speaker 10: most of it. Where to go and what to do.

1885
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Speaker 10: She has the tips and inside to help you make

1886
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Speaker 10: it a super weekend, So listen up. This is the

1887
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 10: Local Loop with Ali Martin on seven hundred w l W.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on your week? Everything good?

1889
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Speaker 11: It is great. It's chrispy out.

1890
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Speaker 2: This is cold.

1891
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Speaker 1: Actually, I feel like it's every finance bro dream because

1892
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: it's puffer vest season, Buffer best season.

1893
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Speaker 2: You know the look I know, yeah, the quarters it yeah.

1894
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Speaker 2: And if you're thick, you look like a marshmallow. It's

1895
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1896
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Speaker 2: and you get away. You get away with that. So

1897
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Speaker 2: it's all good. Ally Martin, it's the Local Loop. We'll

1898
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Speaker 2: jump right in. It feels like it's pumpkin season, to

1899
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 2: be sure, with Halloween on the horizon.

1900
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Speaker 11: Let's go.

1901
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 1: Yes, it is a pumpkin season and it's time for

1902
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 1: maybe a good haunted tour or if you're going, if

1903
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: you're going to any haunted houses. But there's one spot

1904
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: in particular that they're doing it right. Honestly, they're doing

1905
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Speaker 1: it right just in general because they have an incredible

1906
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Speaker 1: line of events that we have two we're gonna talk

1907
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Speaker 1: about here, and that's Northern Row. You remember Northern Row.

1908
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 1: It's a brewery near and over the Rhine. Really cool,

1909
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Speaker 1: a lot of awesome history. Coming up. On Thursday, October thirtieth,

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Speaker 1: they're doing this pumpkin painting party and you're like, well

1911
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: that kind of is that really fun? And like, yeah,

1912
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 1: it is fun because they're going to bring in live

1913
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: music and it's all for free and you can go

1914
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Speaker 1: and they'll give you pumpkins and you give you know,

1915
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,600
Speaker 1: they give you all of the material and everything to

1916
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: use it. It's an extension of what they're doing called

1917
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Speaker 1: Craft Nights. So yes, it's a pun on words in

1918
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: regards to craft beer. But also they're bringing in craft

1919
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: artists where they're really encouraging if you're into whatever it is,

1920
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: maybe you like to crochet, or you do like to paint,

1921
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Speaker 1: or you like to tinker with.

1922
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Speaker 11: Some cool stuff.

1923
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 2: I just want to drink you.

1924
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Speaker 11: Then come and drate the craft beer.

1925
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Speaker 1: On top of this though, because they're doing this pupkin

1926
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: painting party, they're collaborating with American Legacy Tours because right

1927
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: down the street is the Linked Tunnels in which they

1928
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: do their ghost tours. So you can hang out, d

1929
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 1: some beer, and sign up and go do a tour

1930
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Speaker 1: at the same time and check out the tunnels. If

1931
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 1: you've never done it and do the full on ghost tour,

1932
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: it is because.

1933
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 11: You've been out of the have you done? You have

1934
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 11: done ghost ghost Let me.

1935
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Tell you can you try to get those guys out

1936
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: next week sometime for Halloween.

1937
01:29:59,360 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 11: You got it.

1938
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: Randa, she'll have she's her favorite Australia stories. She has

1939
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: all of the stories. I have stories myself down there

1940
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: too because of just going down and having a good

1941
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: relationship with them, and every single time it's a little different.

1942
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: They give you different equipment, so ghost hunting equipment, and

1943
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 1: they turn off the lights and you're rolling down with

1944
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:18,759
Speaker 1: just a flashlight.

1945
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 2: What they give you, what's ghost setting equipment?

1946
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Okay, have you ever seen those copper rods that people

1947
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: will hold.

1948
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it detects m Yeah.

1949
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 11: So they have the EMF readers, they have the copper rods.

1950
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to get too much into the

1951
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: history of our city, but the best way to put

1952
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: it is this city has a lot of trapped energy, yea, cholera,

1953
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: a lot of death sure.

1954
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 11: Back in the day. And there are plenty of ghost

1955
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:44,679
Speaker 11: stories to go around.

1956
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 2: But we'll save that for time.

1957
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:48,759
Speaker 11: You will save that for Miranda.

1958
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: But also happening at Northern Row is a new event

1959
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: called Low and Slow.

1960
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 11: Write this down, put this in your calendar.

1961
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: It's happening on November eighth, So it's not this week,

1962
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 1: it is November eighth, and it's all it's an event

1963
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 1: honoring firefighters while also raising money and having a barbecue,

1964
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: barbecue cookar. So yeah, they're launching a new beer called

1965
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: Roughneck Lagger. It's an American light ale. And while they're

1966
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: brewing this also a good portion of the proceeds are

1967
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: going to be going back to the Cincinnati Firefighters Union

1968
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: Local forty eight, which is a really great organization that

1969
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: it you know, firefighters protect our community. This is an

1970
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: organization that protects themselves. So it helps with resources. It

1971
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: supplies them with access to health and wellness care. You know, taboo.

1972
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: Mental health is pretty taboo within that community. So being

1973
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: able to give them those types of resources is it

1974
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 1: goes a long way.

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01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 11: So it will be going back.

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01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 2: To the fire there and the food.

1977
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 1: Got oh, you're bringing in pickled pig. You're bringing in

1978
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 1: Celia Joe's Brothers barbecue. I got a little scoop that

1979
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: the pickled pig Gary over there is incredible. He's doing

1980
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: a smoked lamb ragou with a creamy polent.

1981
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 2: That probably pretty good. That's a good cold weather food

1982
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 2: right there. That is lamb night.

1983
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 1: We're just chef's kiss run that cusp of that. So

1984
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure i'll I'll mention it again in the next

1985
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but November eighth, write it in low

1986
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: and slow and give back to your firefighters.

1987
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 2: I love it. Okay, this morning I'm driving in listening

1988
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 2: to Hawkins and for Tom Brenneman's up doing football this

1989
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 2: weekendational games, and he had someone on from the cost

1990
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 2: Coffee Festival.

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01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,600
Speaker 11: Right, Okay, you're a coffee guy, like coffee. Let's go

1992
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 11: uh Yeah.

1993
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Coffee Festival is happening this Saturday and Sunday at the

1994
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,839
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Music Call. What I do love about this festival

1995
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 1: is it's approachable. Where the tickets aren't, you know, fifty

1996
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:38,959
Speaker 1: five bucks, It's like twenty.

1997
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 2: Why would you need to have much for coffee and wine?

1998
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 2: I could see that, but it's coffee.

1999
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, But you know, sometimes these festivals are like,

2000
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 1: all right, what what is.

2001
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 2: Happening as the water and beans? Let's let's not let's

2002
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 2: sixty bucks.

2003
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 1: Come on, man, and you're gonna have people who are

2004
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: running laps in that place and no time.

2005
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 2: Like this because I'm trying to the coffee. This is

2006
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 2: really good. Any things are really good. This is really good.

2007
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 2: You think I talk fast now? Okay, talk to me

2008
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 2: after coffee Fest.

2009
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 11: You need a depressant after fall asleep place and no time?

2010
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 2: Cofee? This is really good. Anything that's really good, This

2011
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 2: is really good. Think I talk fast now, talk to

2012
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 2: me after coffee Fest.

2013
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 11: You need a depressant after.

2014
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 2: I'll fall asleep on Monday at nine adhd awful. There

2015
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 2: we go.

2016
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 11: Michelle's gonna love it.

2017
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's happening at the Society Music Hall. There's

2018
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 1: gonna be over sixty different vendors, you know, coffee roasters,

2019
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: tea shops, chocolate tears, pastry, pastries, and baked goods. What

2020
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,959
Speaker 1: I really enjoy is a really good latte art throwdown.

2021
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: So that's one of those things that I like coffee.

2022
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,600
Speaker 1: I would like to learn more about coffee. I'd like

2023
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,600
Speaker 1: to invest in a fancy espresso maker and do some

2024
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: of that fun latte art. Never really have gotten into it,

2025
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: but there is a nuance and there is an art

2026
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 1: to it which is pretty cool. And do you know

2027
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 1: what takes? What it takes to have the freshest cup

2028
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: of coffee?

2029
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 2: Hot water, good water, good good water, good filtered water,

2030
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 2: filtered water. Okay, I have that.

2031
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I learned this the other day that in

2032
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: order to have like the freshest cup of coffee is

2033
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,679
Speaker 1: just to grind the beans right on the spot, which

2034
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: is not always accessible and easy to do. But if

2035
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: you can grind the beans and then make a cup

2036
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 1: of coffee right there, that's going to be your freshest

2037
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 1: cup of coffee. And if you're going into a coffee shop,

2038
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 1: ask for the most recent because you know, usually have

2039
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: the they have like the big jugs that are already

2040
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,600
Speaker 1: pre made, ask for the most recently.

2041
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 2: Or just do a power over right, it's pour over. Yeah,

2042
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 2: and and French press.

2043
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 1: I think if you can even again have the beans

2044
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:41,679
Speaker 1: grinded there. But that's going to be your your best bet.

2045
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with a c at home. I'm good.

2046
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 1: See Andrew killing and you're killing the planet.

2047
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 11: You're one of those you're.

2048
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 2: Too lazy to say, says the woman who has three

2049
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 2: Starbucks a day in a giant plastic cup of a

2050
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:52,759
Speaker 2: huge straw.

2051
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: I am offended. I am That is not me walking

2052
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 1: through these hallways in ron.

2053
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 2: I watched I Need and I Need it now star

2054
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 2: but not making a whole pot of morning on the

2055
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 2: way in every day? What's wrong with you?

2056
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 1: Hold on, there's a lot to unpack. I'm still offended.

2057
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:07,680
Speaker 11: I'm holding on it.

2058
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 2: You think I'm a Starbucks screen Yeah, you seem like

2059
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 2: I'm a.

2060
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 11: Dunk and girly.

2061
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 1: I'm all about affordability and their coffee is really good.

2062
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm with you?

2063
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 1: Donkeys, thank you, thank you. Just the black dark cup

2064
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: and then.

2065
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 2: What kind of cup do they served that in?

2066
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 3: You know?

2067
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 11: That's what if I told you I bring my own cup.

2068
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 2: You don't, don't. I'm looking right through you. I see

2069
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 2: you raise through you.

2070
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 11: Here's the other thing, What I do you.

2071
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 2: Bring on shopping bag or you're not one of those

2072
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:36,719
Speaker 2: people but iring champagne. I don't have to. I'm lucky.

2073
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 2: I remember to wear pants, want to go to the

2074
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 2: grocery store. I can't remember to bring where those toes?

2075
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 11: That means this is a sign of Alzheimer's.

2076
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,480
Speaker 2: Probably is coffee. More like I don't Carozheimer's.

2077
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 11: And how many guns you are at that age?

2078
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 9: Zero?

2079
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Given when you were at when you were at the

2080
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 1: grocery store, what coffee are you reaching for? If you're

2081
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 1: making it from home? Everything is carrec you've never do

2082
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: you don't have like a coffee p.

2083
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 2: I used to, but it's like you throw half of

2084
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 2: it out because you have. And like in the morning

2085
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 2: when I cut, when I get up, okay, so I'm

2086
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 2: up at arm goes up five forty five. Yeah, I get.

2087
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 2: I'm making my coffee my travel mug. Right, bring that

2088
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 2: in a couple of two pods and I'm good to go.

2089
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 11: How do you feel about the poor over? Would you

2090
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 11: ever switch to the pace?

2091
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 2: It's much better than the cureate. I'll give you that,

2092
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 2: and you keep it clean and stuff like that. But

2093
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 2: I don't have that kind of time. I'm not getting

2094
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 2: up an extra forty five minutes earlier to make a

2095
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:27,560
Speaker 2: perfect cup of coffee. I don't care. I need a

2096
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 2: caffeine out.

2097
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 11: I'm a poor over girl. You hear me out. You

2098
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 11: get one of those keem x for the hour glass

2099
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 11: looking thing.

2100
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: You just put the funnel, wet the filter, You throw

2101
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: the grounds in there too.

2102
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 2: Much time, one push squeezes the water left. Don't care.

2103
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 11: You're not respecting all right.

2104
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 2: On the weekend, I five times, Sure.

2105
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 11: Don't show up?

2106
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I'm gonna want to. You're right, you don't

2107
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 2: want to come up with my senka.

2108
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 1: You know what, you can stay up in Mason because

2109
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 1: there's a new coffee shop up there.

2110
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 4: What is it?

2111
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:55,799
Speaker 11: Ca Maria Coffee.

2112
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I didn't think you could possibly have any

2113
01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 2: more coffee places, but here we go.

2114
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 1: Hey have to admit, Cincinnati, we have a killer coffee

2115
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 1: chop scene, and we got another one right in your

2116
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 1: neck of the woods. And it's a Yemony coffee house.

2117
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 11: So I guess it's going for like it's rich flavors,

2118
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 11: traditional brewing methods.

2119
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 1: You know what, hump breaks to have another cup of coffee.

2120
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 2: Good, just a coffee, a good cup of black coffee.

2121
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm good.

2122
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: And I will say they make a really great good

2123
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 1: cup of coffee. They have awesome obviously lattes ChIL Their

2124
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: chilatt is really good. And they have a series of

2125
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 1: different pastries. They do this like baclava cheesecake, a Dubai cookie.

2126
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 1: Have you been hearing about how this du Baie chocolate

2127
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 1: is taking here.

2128
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing and it's expensive as hell.

2129
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 11: What is the deal with that?

2130
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 2: I guess it's really good.

2131
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 11: I guess it's really good.

2132
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 2: And they have a by the way, the Bye cookiee chocolate.

2133
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 11: It's chewy sweet and it's absolute perfection.

2134
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: And almond croissant, different types of breads that go back

2135
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: to the amity culture. And I will say, I'm a

2136
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 1: stickler of a coffee shop that has the right vibes.

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Speaker 1: And this Camarera, they they pretty much nailed it. It's big,

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of space. They have this big booth, a

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Speaker 1: lot of outlets, which is really important if you want

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Speaker 1: to work.

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Speaker 11: And they have this little.

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Speaker 1: Couch area so maybe check that out if you're wanting

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Speaker 1: to try.

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Speaker 2: And if I can distinguish many coffee and one of

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Speaker 2: the other coffee is it's just coffee to me. I mean,

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Speaker 2: unless there's like a pumpkin spice.

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Speaker 11: You've had to have had a bad cup of coffee.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've had bad cups of coffee. I just

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Speaker 2: like I'd like a dark roast kind of you know

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Speaker 2: what strong.

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Speaker 1: Coffee you want to Here's the other thing. If you

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Speaker 1: want to save a couple of bucks, don't sleep. There's

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Speaker 1: a speedway in Westchester, the Westy Chesty, and they have

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Speaker 1: one of those fancy smancy coffee machines that makes the

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Speaker 1: law taste. So most people who are spending seven bucks

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Speaker 1: on a lot dance Starbucks.

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Speaker 11: You can go to the shout out to the speedway.

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Speaker 2: I will shout out, hell yeah, because a lot of

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Speaker 2: people where they. I mean, it's a machine of grinds

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Speaker 2: right there for you. It's really good. I think.

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Speaker 11: You know what, I'm going to put that to the top.

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Speaker 11: You have a fancy machine.

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Speaker 2: And you don't need glass for shout out to the

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Speaker 2: west Chester speed All right, what else do we have here?

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Speaker 2: We have these scinety Oh, she's crabby about coffee. I

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Speaker 2: remember that. That's I didn't have my coffee this mone.

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, got it. I was on the run this morning.

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Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, the Society Comic expos in town, Superman Legacy

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Speaker 1: meet and greet. All Right, Am I a comic girly?

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Speaker 1: Heck no, but I feel like you would be a

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Speaker 1: comic guy.

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Speaker 4: Why don't you talk?

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Speaker 2: No, you just mentioned this. I'm surprised Jack Crumley is

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Speaker 2: not kicking the.

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Speaker 11: Store or Ricky Chino. I feel like he's one of

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Speaker 11: those two.

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Speaker 2: I know he's more sports, but Jack Crumley's definitely our

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Speaker 2: Jack Crumley definitely loves him.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, to be honest, I put this on the list.

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Speaker 1: And I really don't know a whole lot about the

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Speaker 1: comic scene, but it is Friday is Sunday at the

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Speaker 1: Sherfield Convention Center at Superman. I think they're really leaning

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Speaker 1: into that theme. They have their normal celebrity like cud

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Speaker 1: lest lineup.

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Speaker 11: That was just funny though, makes it even.

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Speaker 1: Better because you know what people still will show up

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Speaker 1: and and if they're those celebrities are accessible, which is nice,

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Speaker 1: and you can get your autographs and this is where

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Speaker 1: the cosplay really comes out. I'm always super I think

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Speaker 1: this is by those comic people will spend an entire

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Speaker 1: year to make a single outfit and it is intense

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Speaker 1: and I applaud that and perfect time a year because

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Speaker 1: then if you were to make a cosplay outfit, you

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Speaker 1: can wear it for Halloween, right right?

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Speaker 2: Perfect killed. So yeah, scene, but I know people that

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Speaker 2: do it, it's like it's yeah, is it any different

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Speaker 2: than someone who put where's a Joe Burrow jersey? It's

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Speaker 2: the same.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever collect comics?

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Speaker 2: Never collected them? I mean soccer. I was never really

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Speaker 2: like a comics. I read them, but I wasn't like

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Speaker 2: collecting into the whole storyline and the Yeah, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: just a it's just a soap opera in print. Basically,

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Speaker 2: it's a story.

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Speaker 1: So well and like animey anime sons. So I want

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Speaker 1: to understand it. Yeah, I have a hard time.

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Speaker 2: But you know, there's that's a thing. It's a beautif world.

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Speaker 2: There's so much things. It's just not my thing. Maybe

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Speaker 2: that's not my thing, but I think that's.

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Speaker 11: Kind of the beauty behind it.

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Speaker 2: I always of comic art, I think that's kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of art, came across a pretty cool concept

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Speaker 1: called art Drops Cincinnati. Just learned about this yesterday and

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Speaker 1: it's this new local art engagement project project. So long

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Speaker 1: story short, this community is working with local artists around

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Speaker 1: town and every week they collect a different piece of art.

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Speaker 1: So it could be sculpture, it could be a painting,

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Speaker 1: you name it, and they're dropping it somewhere randomly in

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Speaker 1: the city, all within two seventy five and they give

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Speaker 1: you clues enhance on social media and if you find.

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Speaker 11: It, it's yours to keep. Oh cool, I'm like, this

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Speaker 11: is actually a really cool quest.

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Speaker 1: There are some really great artists in town that deserve

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Speaker 1: to have.

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Speaker 11: Number One.

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Speaker 1: It highlights the artists, It allows you to kind of

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Speaker 1: explore it a little bit of a treasure hunt and

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Speaker 1: a lot of the times it's in whether maybe it's

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Speaker 1: like in a cool urban spot or in a park,

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Speaker 1: and it allows you to explore the city. But then

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Speaker 1: you also get to keep the art works like a

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Speaker 1: Pokemon go of a Yeah, in real life, fine and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Actually good to keep it. How do you get in

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Speaker 2: on this?

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Speaker 1: So you go to art dash drops dot com.

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Speaker 11: I signed up. Also just follow them on social media.

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Speaker 1: On Instagram is the best way to go about it,

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Speaker 1: and that's where those clues happen every single week. So

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Speaker 1: they highlight what the art is going to be, they

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Speaker 1: highlight the artist, and then they show the little glimpse

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Speaker 1: of where it's placed, and then it's on YouTube. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you know it, maybe you don't, okay, and then if

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Speaker 1: you can find it, it's yours to keep.

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Speaker 2: We have going here. But the obvious too is we've

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Speaker 2: got uc homecoming which is gonna be huge and around Clifton,

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01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 2: and then you've got Bengals game Day on Sunday with

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01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 2: the Jets and town a great weekend to be downtown.

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01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 2: Lots of stuff going on, so you know, if you're

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Speaker 2: looking to do stuff before the football game, coffee after

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Speaker 2: the games, get some coffee to get your art thing.

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Speaker 2: We've got football all over the place this weekend. She's

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Speaker 2: Ali Martin. It's a local loop this morning on seven hundred.

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Speaker 2: WA should be back next Friday. I'm sure it'll be

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Speaker 2: all Halloween related on Halloween, so I can't wait for that.

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Speaker 2: All right, go get some coffee, I will and rely No,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to Duncan get some coffee and relaxed,

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Speaker 2: be DC. I like Dunk Duncan's fine, you did. I

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01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 2: did the midnight Dunk Midnight Yeah. Yeah, that's the dark

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Speaker 2: one dark so good pund Yeah. And the reason I

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Speaker 2: do the Starbucks because the cure. The Starbucks are all over.

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Speaker 2: They don't have the Duncan little pods and the sailors

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Speaker 2: of the Kroger. So I'm all about the value. Have

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Speaker 2: a great weekend, Ali Martin at the Local Loop that's

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Speaker 2: her YouTube channel, and at Ali Martina or social feed,

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Speaker 2: it's the Local Loop every Friday morning. Have a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: Go Cats and who Day Home of the best Bengals

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Speaker 2: coverage seven hundred w Olbody's Cincinnati