1 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Hey Rubs. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: This football season, bel Bank is giving one kfan listener 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: each week one thousand dollars to pay it forward to 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: a charity of their choice. Just over to KFA dot 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: com Keeper Contests to learn more and enter today kfan 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: dot com you were contests. 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: Dan, You've always hated the Gophers. You see my edge, Dan, 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 3: from a concerned Gopher. I'm concerned for the Brochmer people 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: and Gopher fans who have basically decided to invest everything 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 3: in this one belief. And as I said before, it's human. 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: He's an easy player to root for. He is undrafted, 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: he wasn't supposed to even reach this level. All of 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: that's true. I couldn't have been more complimentary of him 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: last year when he played, couldn't have been and was 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: extremely complimentary of what we'd heard about out of him 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 3: from training camp. That's not exactly being negative about a Gopher. 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: I'm just looking for a little bit of rationality here, 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 3: taking a little bit of the emotion out of it, 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 3: which I don't think we're unfortunately seeing all that much of. 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: Let's get to another Vikings talking point, you know, Let's 21 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: go to maybe this will unify us and calm everybody down, 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: Let's get to I think an area I'm hoping that 23 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 3: we can all agree on. 24 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: This talking point is called the run defense. That it wasn't. 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 4: Second and ten Wentz comes out of the shotgun. He's 26 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 4: going to give it to showtime. Aaron Jones right up 27 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: the middle and Derwin j play action for Justin again. 28 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 4: He's back to pass, but you can run and there 29 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: he goes, heads out to his left to the twenty 30 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 4: five to twenty, gets to the fifteen. Justin Herbert scampers 31 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 4: out of bounds at the thirteen yard line. That is 32 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 4: a run of eighteen yards for Justin and another first 33 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: down for him. Bolts empty backfield for Justin Herbert. Six 34 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 4: year from Oregon Vikings rush four. Herbert steps up the middle, 35 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 4: pedal to the medal thirty five, forty hangles to the 36 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 4: right to the fifty blake cashman finally brings him down 37 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: at a forty nine. It's a seventeen yard run for 38 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: Justin Herbert. I don't know if people were listening about 39 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 4: ten minutes ago, Ben Leeber could not have laid out 40 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: any better. Justin Herbert's running nobility and how he sees 41 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 4: it and what he does with it, because that's exactly 42 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 4: what he just did. Justin Herbert, who takes the snap, 43 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 4: hands into the doll and he scoops up the middle 44 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: between the hash marks. For a game of five, make 45 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 4: it seven second in Courcus forty for the Charger. 46 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're gonna go out unfortunately this is the 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 5: position for the Vikings defense. You're gonna go out and 48 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 5: give up five to seven yards per rush. The Chargers 49 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 5: with harball will just keep running the football. I mean 50 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 5: they don't. I don't think they're gonna want to put 51 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 5: it the ball at risk at all. They've come out 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 5: with some bigger personnel and they're just gonna keep running it. 53 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 4: Second and three offset I right behind Herbert, who goes 54 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: under center, puts Asid in the second in motion to 55 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 4: the left hand off the doll. Plenty of room up 56 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 4: the middle as he darts to the left across their 57 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 4: series gets to the forty five. Then he's finally hit 58 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: and stopped at about the forty eight. Effortless run of 59 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: eight maybe nine yards. Not by the day, not by 60 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 4: Chuck m Up, not by Omari and Hampton. 61 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: Kamani Vidal well done. 62 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 4: Second year from Troy, six round pick in twenty twenty four, 63 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 4: and that young man now has thirteen runs for thirty 64 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 4: nine yards and the first rushing touchdown of his career. 65 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 6: And it's a. 66 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 4: First down for the Chargers. They scrimmage from their own 67 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 4: forty eight yard line. Herbert unders painful, great eye behind him, 68 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 4: Vidal the tailback. Bradley Boseman snaps it to Herbert back 69 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: to Vidal, more room up the middle. Ivan Pace whipped 70 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 4: on a tackle as Vidal heads into Bikings territory across 71 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 4: the forty five and he's taken down at the forty eight. 72 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 4: A run of eight yards by Kamani, Vidal and Paul. 73 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 5: That's that's just the lead Isola, right, I mean, that's 74 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 5: that's about as simple of a running play as you get. 75 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 5: And that's to you have a full back and a tailback, 76 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 5: eye formation, take a crow hop and then just let 77 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 5: the blocks in front of you develop. And there's absolutely 78 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 5: nobody playing on the Chargers side of the line of scrimmage. 79 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: It's all just stuck at the line. 80 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 3: That's I'm sure those plays were Carson Wentz's fault too, 81 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: I know if there's any question about that. So here 82 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: are the rushing yards of totals that matter that tell 83 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: you that this team is not. And this team, by 84 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: the way, spent major money to shore up the interior, 85 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 3: it's defensive line. 86 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: I've never even heard those players' names anymore. 87 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: Have you. 88 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: One hundred and thirty yards rushing or more to four 89 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: opponents this year and the Chargers, and they ended up 90 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: rushing for two hundred and seven yards. And by the way, 91 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: that's not the most we've given up this year. Atlanta 92 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: got two hundred. 93 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: And eighteen. 94 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: Five point four yards per play or per rush, I 95 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: guess we would say, And as Ben Gessling, our four 96 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: to thirty guest notes, Chargers were content to bully the 97 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: Vikings with fullbacks and tight ends, gaining five point four 98 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 3: yards per play with two tight ends and two running 99 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 3: backs on the field according to NFL Next Gen Stats. 100 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: That's Harbaugh football. Now, we said going into this game, 101 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: Hardball can't play Hardball football because he's down like three 102 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: running backs. He hasn't been able to do it against 103 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: anybody else. No way he's gonna be able to do 104 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 3: it against us. 105 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: Right, and he did. 106 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 3: We got a problem that has nothing to do with 107 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: the quarterback, nothing to do with the depleted offensive line. 108 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 3: This defense has been exposed, and the word around the 109 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: campfire is that the Jackals are sharp, starting to sharpen 110 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: their knives. Wondering whether the league has caught up with 111 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: the B flow scheme. Now, I'm not ready to play 112 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: that card yet because I think it may have as 113 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: much to do with personnel as it does scheme. And again, 114 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 3: we see great shifts and performance from week to week. 115 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: But I'll bring up what I did the day of 116 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 3: the Eagles game and the day after the Eagles game. 117 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: How often do opposing team quarterbacks, when they are not 118 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: second teamers, when they are not kids starting their first game, 119 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: successfully dissect this defense? You can look it up. It's 120 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: substantial and yet another really good quarterback inconsistent of the postseason. 121 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: But a guy who's obviously highly skilled who diced them up. 122 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: Hurts diced them up, go down through the list as 123 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: we did. As I said a week or so ago, 124 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: who's the Rams quarterback Stafford diced them up? Golf clinic. 125 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: It's happening too often. And again, you know, it's harder 126 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: to look good against good quarterbacks and good offenses. I 127 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: get that, but it hasn't even been been close and 128 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: in this case, it's total system because at varying times, 129 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: I guess, and the KOC we played it live. 130 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: He tried to hang his hat on. 131 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: Well, we did do a pretty good job off the 132 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: bye week handling the Eagles run better. 133 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: Then we'd handle the run previously. 134 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, but does anybody really going to give you a 135 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: banner for that if it comes at the expense of 136 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: the You know, the huge explosive plays that the Eagles 137 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: were able to come up with, right, the big plays 138 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 3: that they were able to come up with, they are endless. 139 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: I'll give you more defensively, twenty nine first downs for 140 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: the Chargers, no punts, thirty nine minutes ball possession, ten 141 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: plays of fifteen yards or more, seven of them, by 142 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: the way, in the first half, when you know, obviously 143 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: the game was pretty much much won. Four drives of 144 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: nine plays or more. That's pretty sustaining. And the biggest, 145 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: of course, was the second quarter of the ninety four 146 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 3: yard which ended rather badly for the Vikings. Herbert twenty 147 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: seven yard trow over Jeff Okudah. Okudah may represent the 148 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: personnel side of this from a Bflow and Viking stand 149 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 3: personnel standpoint, what are we hear in training camp has 150 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: been a struggle for him. 151 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: But Bflow sees something in them. Man. 152 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: Bflow identifies this talent who fits into this defense, and 153 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: we got another good look here in Bflow we trust well. 154 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 3: I think what we're seeing. Analytically speaking, I think Okuda 155 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: is literally the worst ranked defensive back in football right now. 156 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: And again Pro Football Focus, we get it. Some people 157 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: believe in it, some people think it's a little simplistic, 158 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: depending on the system you play, but none of the 159 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: signs are very good on Okudah. 160 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: And then that is where is. 161 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: It the scheme with Bflow or is it some personnel decisions, 162 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: including the front the interior of the defensive line have 163 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: been made that are not panning out at all whatever 164 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: B flow is trying to implement. And by the way, 165 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:21,359 Speaker 3: who do you play next? Detroit Lions. Another sharp quarterback 166 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 3: who's you know, sort of built his way into matured 167 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: into the perfect system for him in Detroit and has 168 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: been just just has just killed this defense. So we'll 169 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 3: see that doesn't exactly give you a warm and fuzzy feeling, 170 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: even though you have all this extra time now for 171 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: a number of people to get healthy health isn't the 172 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: issue on defense right now? I know we got one 173 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 3: defensive guy still out. He's a good Van Ginkle's good 174 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: Van Ginkle's good Gink. But come on, man, there's a 175 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: million teams that are on a weekly basis missing three 176 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: four five people from their defense. Else is allegedly back 177 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: and we just ain't playing. So that's why I say 178 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 3: total system failure. And I say regardless of what you 179 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: think should have been done or can be done at 180 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: the quarterback position, because this is gonna be McCarthy's team now, 181 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: there's no question about that. 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There is still very 201 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: much now this one in this quarterback controversy. 202 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: WinCE is eliminated. 203 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: But believe me, there is amongst at least one element 204 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: of the population, a massive, massive quarterback controversy. Now I 205 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: said this before I say it again. This is all 206 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: in JJ McCarthy's control because it's his team. There's not 207 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 3: any question about that. That's why they took him where 208 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: they took him. You believe in the quarterback whisperer. You 209 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: believe in still in term of his ability to evaluate quarterbacks. 210 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: He likes what he thinks McCarthy can be. 211 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 3: But if McCarthy struggles mightily, if there aren't enough at 212 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: least flashes of oh, here's where this is going, it'll 213 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: get worse. And that's the nature of the position, especially 214 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: when let's be honest and be clear about it. 215 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: You've been anointed the job. He didn't win the job. 216 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: I mean you could say technically he won the job 217 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 3: in college, or he won the Vikings over enough to 218 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: draft him, But there was no meaningful competition. 219 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: In training camp. This was the guy. 220 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 3: If there had been any meaningful competition a possible then 221 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones would probably be this team starting quarterback. I 222 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 3: do believe that. I think Jones understood no matter what 223 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: they told him, he probably understood that it's the way 224 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 3: teams tend to operate when they take a quarterback that high. 225 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: I mean, who was the Colts quarterback he beat out? 226 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: I can remember his name. 227 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: Richard, thank you. 228 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: So you could say, well the Colts said they Well, 229 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: the Colts had had a couple of years with their phenom. 230 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: That's the difference. 231 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: So they were already at a point where they said, 232 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 3: you know, we got to open it up. 233 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: A little bit. 234 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: So what the Vikings did is really the pattern most 235 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: teams follow, where you you anoint a guy who say 236 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: now is his time, et cetera. I've said this before, 237 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: We've talked about it, we will again. I'm sure when 238 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: Ben Gesling joins in just a couple of minutes. Part 239 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: of the pressure that the Vikings are feeling, whether it's 240 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: fair or not, or the KOC and the organization are feeling, 241 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 3: is that pretty much every other quarterback we had something 242 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: to do with last year is excelling, either in free 243 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: agency in the case of a roj or on quarterbacks 244 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: they had on the roster in the case of Darnold, 245 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: who we all understand was going to be tough to 246 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: bring back unless you franchised him, which they could done 247 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: at at a greater expense, which means other things can't 248 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: be done. I get that, or a more reasonable price 249 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: for Daniel Jones. And what have I said from the beginning. 250 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: If your quarterback is playing well too, that'll go away fast. 251 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: But if you're if yours is. 252 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 3: Injured and not available, as has largely been the case, 253 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: that's my biggest gripe on McCarthy. He's just I mean, 254 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: the Vikings have had to do other things, consider other 255 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: things because he just hasn't been available to them. Then 256 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: you're gonna You're gonna it's gonna play out this way. 257 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: It's gonna be this way. It's gonna be agonizing and painful. 258 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: The rest of the uh the season as well. Let 259 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: me see if I have one other text here. You know, 260 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: Lovel's covering something right now. I wonder is he confirmed 261 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 3: for five point thirty? Do we know of you texted him? 262 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 3: That's what I've got. I mean, I can send him, 263 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 3: send him a text just to remind him. I think 264 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: he's covering a hockey game right now. He's he's he's 265 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: live tweeting hockey game, that's for sure. Real quick on 266 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: Bflow feels like the NFL in general may have figured 267 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: out Beflow's mysterious complex as a scheme. Is this the 268 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: way it usually goes? Someone does something new or different. 269 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: It's effective for a year, maybe two, But eventually with 270 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: all the other sexy coordinators, all the other savvy coordinators 271 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: could be sexy two. Either your scheme has to evolve 272 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: or you fall behind. Love b flow and many of 273 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: our pieces, but other teams seem to be easily solving 274 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: our defensive puzzle. That's from red Rover out of red Wing. 275 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: Well to that extent, you'd say you'd like to get 276 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: more solid and more fundamental and basic, although that's what 277 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: bflow said he was intending to do with our ability. 278 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 3: You know we're trying to stop the run now. I 279 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: think went into the Eagles game, which they did do, 280 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: but at a huge expense obviously, So then you start 281 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: to wonder about the pieces as well as the plane itself. 282 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: Ben Gesling Media Jackal back from Los Angeles, California. We'll 283 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: check in with him, get his reaction out. He's had 284 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: a little time to process it and think about it 285 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: to the current plight of the Minnesota Vikings and how 286 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: they go forward from here. 287 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: Questions for Ben. 288 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: Six four six eighty six is the Bradshaw and Bryant 289 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: Cafe and text line. 290 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: Bonus Box is back on kfan. We have nine chances 291 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: for you to win one thousand dollars every weekday. That's 292 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: every hour from nine am till five pm. Tenner keywords 293 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: to learn more ato kfan dot com. Bonus Box is 294 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: presented by two men in a junk truck. 295 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 3: Standard heating and air Conditioning brings us Ben Gestling each 296 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: and every week on the Bumper to Bumper program and 297 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 3: on the Paul Allen Project as well. Ben kind enough 298 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: to join us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. Were 299 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 3: you participating in today's zoom presser? 300 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: The day after. 301 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 6: I was involved in it. Yes, I was mostly monitoring 302 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 6: as I was just getting back gotch but didn't ask 303 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 6: any questions. But yes, was all yours for it. 304 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: I'm wondering if I want you to hear a bit 305 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 3: of sound from early in the presser, if you remember it, 306 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: and whether it at all made you WinCE a little bit. 307 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: Brett Blakemore, Let's play. 308 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: That many things on the film are correctable. 309 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: So for a lot of our listeners you might not 310 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 3: be shocked to learn it was a stunning, jarring throwback 311 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: moment that had them breaking out in hives and thinking 312 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 3: about the Christian ponder era. 313 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if it hit you the same way. 314 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 3: I don't know if the coach has any understanding of that, 315 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 3: the use of that term, because it's not a new term. 316 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: A lot of people use it. 317 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: No, but here it seems it's almost like we need 318 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 3: some kind of a trigger warning anytime anybody in the 319 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 3: current administration gets anywhere near easily correctable. 320 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 6: Yes, there are certain words, and my mind went there 321 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 6: as well. There are certain words in Viking's War that 322 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 6: just kind of have that evocative feeling that do have 323 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 6: that trigger, the easily correctable one with Ponder is certainly 324 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 6: there anytime somebody says anything about a tweak. I think 325 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 6: about the Neil Hunter and Mike Zimmer who thought a 326 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 6: hernia was just a tweak. So yeah, there are certain 327 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 6: words that when those come up, and it may be 328 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 6: completely unintentional, but people that weren't here for that. Certainly, 329 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 6: Kevin O'Connell was not here for Christian Pond. In fact, 330 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 6: I think was, you know, probably wrapping up his career 331 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 6: around the time that Christian Ponder was talking about things 332 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 6: that were easily correctable. But yeah, I my mind does 333 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 6: go there when I heard it, I think he said it. 334 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 6: He might have said it last night too, but yeah, 335 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 6: when I hear it, that's the first thing I think of, 336 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 6: it's too good. 337 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: All right, I want to read you. 338 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: A lot of texts have come in that I asked 339 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 3: for questions for you, and we're going to try to 340 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: get to some of them. 341 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: And the first time I'm going. 342 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: To read is going to sound I think a little 343 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 3: bit uh, sky is falling, and maybe a little bit uh. 344 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: It'll feel like an overreaction, but I do think it 345 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: leads to something I want to ask you. Here's the text, 346 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: Unpopular no that's Harrison Phillips related. 347 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: Where did it go? No, No, that's I thought I 348 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: favored it. 349 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 4: It was. 350 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: Basically I can't find it now. 351 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: I thought I had saved it, But the basic premise 352 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 3: of it was, I gotta admit, you know, I'm always 353 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: going to be a Vikings fan, you know, through thick 354 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: and thin. That's never oh here it is. I'll always 355 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: root for the Vikings. But last night didn't bother me 356 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: a bit, as again shows that we should have hired 357 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 3: the quirky coach who wins everywhere and not the with it. 358 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: And while culture is everything coach now that may well 359 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: be an overreaction to what took place last night, but 360 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: there's an element of what I've received today a little 361 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: bit after the Eagles game that I think speaks to 362 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: something you and I have talked about before. This regime 363 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: has been together for a while now, this coach and 364 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 3: this general manager. There are no playoff victories on the 365 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: resume to fall back on. There's none of that equity, 366 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: even if there's a lot of regular season victories, and 367 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: I think part of the story going forward, especially if 368 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: they can't sort of, you know, right the ship at 369 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 3: least enough to either be back in the race or 370 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: at least to show here's why we invested in JJ McCarthy. 371 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 3: It's going to get louder, it's going to get a 372 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 3: little tougher and a little bit more difficult. And you Jackals, 373 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: I think, are going to be a little bit more 374 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: aggressive as well. And after a game like last night, 375 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 3: I'm not particularly surprised that that's the way it can. 376 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: It can shift very quickly. 377 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I have saw a lot of it last night 378 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 6: on social media. I mean it was the level of 379 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 6: anxiety and a level of angst to was not hard 380 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 6: to find. And yes, I think it is getting to 381 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 6: that point because this is your four of it. And 382 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 6: you know, they're in this ship a little bit because 383 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 6: they had success with kind of temporary quarterbacks, but those 384 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 6: didn't result in playoff wins. And those are the things 385 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 6: that when we talked about equity, those are the things 386 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 6: that get you some equity. And I think everybody over 387 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 6: there knows that. I think everybody is pretty clear eyed 388 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 6: about the fact that you need playoff success to lead 389 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 6: to sustainable goodwill and for people to feel good about, 390 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 6: you know, the regime going forward. You know, I've had 391 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 6: these conversations with people in that building and say, yeah, 392 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 6: but the regular season success is great, but it doesn't 393 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 6: mean a whole lot unless you can go deep in 394 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 6: the playoffs and probably do so with a quarterback that 395 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 6: you know is going to be your guy for the 396 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 6: long term. So yeah, I think all of that is 397 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 6: shifting a little bit, and I don't think anybody's terribly 398 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 6: surprised by it. I think, you know, some of the 399 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 6: irritation from the head coach lately, as we talked about, 400 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 6: has been this sort of narrative of whether McCarthy it's 401 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 6: actually injured, and people kind of saying, well, is this 402 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 6: actually a thing that has been keeping them out? Which 403 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 6: it is. But I think some of that's coming from there. 404 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 6: I don't know that the expectations are anything that they 405 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 6: are alarmed by or surprised by. That's part of this job, 406 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 6: and it's completely fair for people to say, you know what, 407 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 6: this is year four of this. It's you haven't seen 408 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 6: the level of payoff yet. I mean, you know by 409 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 6: this point, I mean, they've had more success in the 410 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 6: regular season than my Zimmer, but Mike Zimmer had been 411 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 6: to an NFC title game. I think at the end 412 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 6: of year four. So you do get to a point 413 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 6: where the playoff wins matter, and the fact that they're 414 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 6: not here yet people start to say, Okay, we need 415 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 6: to see some results here. Just gouttle everything down. 416 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 3: What from last night should be at the top of 417 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 3: the concern list for your average Vikings fan? 418 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: What was it for you? 419 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 6: Well, well, both lines of scrimmage, to me are the 420 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 6: things that pop about. I'm actually written about that for 421 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 6: Sunday in the sense that you know, we heard all 422 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 6: offseason and they put a lot of money behind it 423 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 6: of fixing both of these lines, I mean the interior 424 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 6: offensive line with the big priority, and they also wanted 425 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 6: to add pass rush on the defensive line, and they 426 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 6: make the moves that they did for Bill Fries and 427 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 6: Ryan Kelly and drafting Donama Jackson. A Donoma Jackson I 428 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 6: think has been has been pretty solid to this point, 429 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 6: but you have a lot of questions with injuries in 430 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 6: that group. And then on the defensive side of it, 431 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 6: we have not seen much from Javon Hargrave. In fact, 432 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 6: I think last night he was on the field for 433 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 6: like forty some percent of the snaps and it was 434 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 6: one of his lower snap usages. Of the season Jalen Redmond. 435 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 6: I think it's taken a lot of his playing time. 436 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 6: But you have a lot of players that got a 437 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 6: lot of money, and it's going to put them back 438 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 6: in a tough cat situation after this year. So when 439 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 6: you've made those moves and those players aren't producing, and 440 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 6: a lot of them are not twenty five years old, 441 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 6: you have players who are in their early thirties or 442 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 6: in their late twenties when they are kind of staring 443 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 6: at a little bit of a tipping point with that group, 444 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 6: even after all of the investments they made. And that 445 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 6: is the piece to me that shows up because the 446 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 6: Chargers basically said, we can run the ball with heavy 447 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 6: personnel as much as we want. We're not afraid of 448 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 6: trying to play bullyball with you. And then on the 449 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 6: other side of it, the Chargers have been one of 450 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 6: the worst run defenses in the NFL. The Vikings basically 451 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 6: decided they couldn't do that with the number of guys 452 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 6: that they were missing, especially when Suja Ham's out, Josh 453 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 6: Oliver's out, and they said, okay, we've got to go 454 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 6: try to throw the ball and keep keep Carson Wentz 455 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 6: protected in the backfield. Obviously they weren't able to do 456 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 6: that either. So the fact that they got beat at 457 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 6: bad Lee, if they did up both lines from a 458 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 6: team that kind of hung it out on, We're going 459 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 6: to be better in both of these spots. That's the 460 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 6: part that stuck out, and I think as you go 461 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 6: forward with some of the questions that will come along 462 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 6: both of those lies the scrimmage. It makes it all 463 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 6: the more concerning for them into the future. 464 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: I remain stunned by the decision to not bring Wentz 465 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 3: over to the bench, because obviously Wentz wasn't going to 466 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: take himself out. A lot of players pride themselves on that. 467 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 3: I think he has shown an incredible level of toughness, 468 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: but the head coach always has a right to say, 469 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: come on over, that's it for tonight. I'm still stunned 470 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: by it, not because I think Brosmer was going to 471 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: bring them back in the game, but to me, it 472 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 3: reached a point where you go, put the kid in hand, 473 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 3: the ball off, throw a few swing passes, let's go home. 474 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: We're not We're done. We're not going to win this game. 475 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: And I don't, for the life of me, understand that 476 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 3: a coach who's kind of made his whole persona. I'm 477 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 3: the humanitarian coach, right, I know how to treat players 478 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 3: the right way. 479 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm not old school in that regard. 480 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: I guess I'm still kind of gobsmacked that he didn't 481 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: pull him, and I found his explanation last night a 482 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 3: little bit not very solid either. 483 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: What did you make of that? What do you think 484 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: that's about? 485 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 6: Well, I think you know what he alluded to was 486 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 6: with Brozmer. If you put him in there, you're setting 487 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 6: him up to have a pretty tough go of it 488 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 6: when the pressure had been as steady as it was 489 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 6: and you're trying to make decisions. That scenario does not 490 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 6: assume kind of what you're talking about, where you just say, hey, 491 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 6: let's punt it out and keep it simple and go 492 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 6: home and kind of wave the way flag. I don't 493 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 6: think he was looking at it, or at least because 494 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 6: I think I was the one that asked the questions. 495 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 6: But did you think about making the move independent of 496 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 6: Carson Wentz's injury on a performance basis? Did you think 497 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 6: about putting Max Bergmer in just feeling like maybe he 498 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 6: would have a better chance to move the offense and 499 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 6: you know, he was thinking about it at that point 500 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 6: from the standpoint of Okay, if I did it earlier 501 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 6: in the game, you're not probably just waving a white 502 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 6: flag at that point. But yeah, I think a lot 503 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 6: of it goes to the idea of am I going 504 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 6: to mess up a young quarterback. I think there's a 505 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 6: lot of that thought process that goes into his decisions 506 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 6: with certainly with JJ McCarthy and then with Max Brosmer. 507 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 6: You know that maybe to a point where you overcorrect. 508 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 6: I think that's certainly a fair argument that you could have. 509 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 6: I think a lot of his thought process is I 510 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 6: don't want to put a young quarterback in a situation 511 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 6: where it's basically all right, kid, you're in the deep end. 512 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 6: Try to, you know, bend for yourself or find a 513 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 6: life preserver somewhere. I think that went into a lot 514 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 6: of it, and Wentz kept saying I could go back 515 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 6: in it's just pain. I can make my way through it. 516 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 6: But yeah, when he was getting hit as much as 517 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 6: he was, and he was obviously in the pain that 518 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 6: he was, it was hard to watch. And I think 519 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 6: a lot of that as he comes through it, he 520 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 6: said he probably has not been in that much pain 521 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 6: in a game before, and O'Connell did wonder on the 522 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 6: interception if some of the injury and some of them 523 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 6: maybe to follow through mechanics because of that front shoulder 524 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,959 Speaker 6: affected things there. So yeah, it is it was a 525 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 6: tough one to think about. I use the analogy a 526 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 6: number of times in the press box. It felt like 527 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 6: a starting pitcher that had gotten hit around, and you say, hey, 528 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 6: you just got to go out there and give us 529 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 6: a few mornings so we could say the bullpen. The difference, 530 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 6: of course, is that when you were doing that as 531 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 6: a quarterback in that setting, you are getting hit around 532 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 6: a different commutation and that becomes pretty difficult for the 533 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 6: guy that has to go out there. 534 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 4: And do it. 535 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: Let me run by you. 536 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 3: A theory that is gaining traction in golfer Land. 537 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious to get your view of. I 538 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: don't know. If you've heard it, and I think I've 539 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: heard it, okay, then. 540 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 3: You kind of know where I'm The theory is, there's 541 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: only one rational reason for why the head coach did 542 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 3: not insert Rosmer fear that if Brozmer plays well, he's 543 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 3: then stuck with another quarterback controversy. That has nothing to 544 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: do with Carson Wentz that he was going to probably 545 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: had a chance to play so well that therefore we'll 546 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: find out the truth that as much cat draft capital 547 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 3: as if I can spend on on JJ, they actually 548 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: should have. Well, I guess they didn't need to do 549 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 3: the cat draft capital on the free agent quarterback. 550 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: That's the beauty of it, that. 551 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 3: That's really the guy better equipped right now to take 552 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 3: this team to the Promised Land. 553 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 6: Your thoughts, well, yeah, I mean I've heard it. I've 554 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 6: seen it quite a bit, and I think we're you know, 555 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 6: we're kind of basing that on preseason football for the 556 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 6: most part. We're probably basing that on a little bit 557 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 6: of Robot skutty my Goo Gophers. But yeah, I've heard 558 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 6: a lot of it. I don't know that. I necessarily 559 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 6: think preseason football gives us enough of a window into 560 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 6: what the regular season would look like to say one 561 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 6: transfer to the other. I remember that with back in 562 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 6: the Kyle Flotter days, where people would say, boy, this 563 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 6: guy is tearing it up. Why isn't he a certain quarterback? 564 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 6: When he looks this good. 565 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: Gretta if you want to go back fair enough, yeah, 566 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 3: before your time Gino Tretta was unbelieved and he was 567 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 3: a Heisman Trophy guys, I recall, wasn't he and yeah, 568 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 3: and we all had fun with that. 569 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So I think there's a little bit of that, 570 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 6: But yeah, I think it is. It's different in the 571 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 6: regular season when you're not getting the number of reps 572 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 6: in practice that you're getting in the preseason. I think 573 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 6: a lot of what Max Grosmer is doing is Yeah, 574 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 6: I've had the conversation with him. He's probably working, he's 575 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 6: off working on the side quite a bit. You're not 576 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 6: getting much other than maybe a little bit of scout 577 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 6: team stuff. But as the third quarterback in the regular season, 578 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 6: you're not getting prepped the way that the starter is 579 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 6: just because there aren't the number of reps in those 580 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 6: practices to do it. So I don't think it's necessarily anything. 581 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 6: We've had a lot of fun with JJ McCarthy related conspiracy, 582 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 6: whether it's injuries or whether it's Max Brosmer. I understand 583 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 6: the sentiment. I do think Max Brosmer has some promise, 584 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 6: but I don't know that that is the exact reason 585 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 6: that he's trying it up this much, Because if that 586 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 6: were the case, I think we've seen evidence with this 587 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 6: coaching staff where I mean Jalen Redmond's an example of this. 588 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 6: They signed Javon Hargrave. Redmond was an undrafted free agent. 589 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 6: He is playing better than just about anybody they have, 590 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 6: and he's taking staffs away from a guy. And they 591 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 6: gave a lot of money too. So I don't think 592 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 6: they are shy about saying, if you're the best one 593 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 6: out there, you're going to play. Yeah. I don't know 594 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 6: that the conspiracy theory, as much fun as it might be, 595 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 6: has legs on this one. 596 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: No, I tend to agree with you. Is it again? 597 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 3: The league is set up in a way where a 598 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 3: game like that that was so thorough as you laid 599 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 3: out very nicely in your game story in your analysis, 600 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 3: feels like more than one game, right, Yeah, but it 601 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 3: did feel so thorough to me that you're in this 602 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 3: this strange period where I don't think there's anything the 603 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 3: head coach can say. 604 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 4: Now. 605 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 3: He goes tends to go word salad. He's the other 606 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: extreme of ZIM. I actually think here's what's odd. I 607 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 3: think as much as ZIM got ripped and fans are 608 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: ready to say good riddance, I think what they're looking 609 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 3: for right now is a little more zim you know, 610 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 3: fire and brimstone, and that's of course just not Koc's nature. 611 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: I mean, he did, I guess last night go with 612 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 3: the old you know, I didn't have the team ready 613 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 3: to play, which he doesn't usually play that card all 614 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: that often. But yeah, where do I mean is this season? 615 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 3: Do you view this in terms of being a credible 616 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: playoff threat? Do you think this is still salvageable here 617 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: or are we at pretty close to a point where look, 618 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: we know it's McCarthy's team now for sure. Wentz has 619 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 3: come back to the pack in a big way. So 620 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 3: this just play the thing out and if there's some 621 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 3: JJ struggles, at least we're gaining that experience and we 622 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 3: can try to, you know, really restart the clock at 623 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 3: the start of next season. 624 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, you look at the standings in the NFC, 625 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 6: it is getting a little harder to see a path 626 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 6: to the playoffs. To use the Steve Kornacki path to 627 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 6: victory sort of phrasing, they are twelve tied for twelve 628 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 6: the NFC right now. They're behind Atlanta, who they already 629 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 6: lost to. They're behind the Lions, who it'll play next week. 630 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 6: Obviously they'll play the Seahawks, and you know, trying to 631 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 6: just look to the standings that play the Packers here 632 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 6: in a couple of weeks. But the schedule is tough 633 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 6: enough that they'll have opportunities. Certainly they'll play a lot 634 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 6: of these teams that they would have to overtake to 635 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 6: get to the playoffs. But the flip side of that 636 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 6: is you're not looking at last year's schedule where it's 637 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 6: the AFC South and a lot of teams they can 638 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 6: beat up on. In fact, there aren't many teams left 639 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 6: on the schedule, probably other than the Giants that they're 640 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 6: going to go into a game as favorites. I think 641 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 6: that's gonna happen quite a bit where they are the 642 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 6: underdogs and they're gonna have to play with a level 643 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 6: of consistency we have not seen to this point if 644 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 6: they want to make a run. Because if you're probably 645 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 6: talking about I mean there are seven six teams in 646 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 6: the NFC already with five wins and one with four, 647 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 6: but call it four and a half with the Packers. 648 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 6: So you're sitting behind quite a large portion of the NFC, 649 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 6: and you're gonna have to play at a pretty high 650 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 6: level to overtake those teams, especially with two NFC losses 651 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 6: already on the Ledgers. So I think they would have 652 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 6: to play well enough to make a run and probably 653 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 6: do it with Jaj McCarthy is the quarterback that if 654 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 6: they do make a run, it's gonna make everybody feel 655 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 6: a lot better about a lot of things, in part 656 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 6: because the quarterback will have to play that well. But 657 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 6: to ask him to come back in and you know, 658 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 6: you've kind of gone from this thing of they wanted 659 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 6: it to be supportive for him. They wanted to be 660 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 6: kind of this smooth on ramp. Now he's going to 661 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 6: come back in and say, Okay, kid, we haven't won 662 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 6: in poor Field since twenty twenty eight. You've got to 663 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 6: come back in and be the igniter of some hope, 664 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 6: at least for the fan base. I don't know if 665 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 6: the team will be thinking about it that way, but 666 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 6: I think there's going to be some of that from 667 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 6: the fan base with McCarthy. So that's a lot to ask, 668 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 6: and it's a lot to expect from a team that 669 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 6: has not been consistent on either line of scrimmage. We've 670 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 6: seen issues on special teams, with the penalties we've seen, 671 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 6: coverage bucks, I mean, there's a lot of things that 672 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 6: have to get fixed for a large stretch of the 673 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 6: season against a very, very tough schedule that I think 674 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 6: if they're going to make a run, it's going to 675 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 6: take a level of play we haven't seen to this point, 676 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 6: and I don't have a lot right now to go 677 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 6: off of to say, yeah, they're gonna do that. I mean, 678 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 6: it's it's possible. You know, teams the NFL is weird. 679 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 6: Teams get hot and figure things out and prove people 680 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 6: along all the time. But just looking at what we've 681 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 6: seen to this point, it's hard to see an obvious 682 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 6: path for that to happen. 683 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 3: Somebody who's listening to us is frustrated, I guess, with 684 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 3: both of us, but suggesting that, you know, how, given 685 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 3: the injuries along the line of scrimmage, how can you 686 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 3: possibly expect anything better than the way it's gone for 687 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 3: the Vikings? And obviously I think I get it to 688 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 3: at least a degree on the offensive line side, But 689 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 3: that doesn't explain the defensive front, does it. 690 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 6: No, it doesn't. I mean that would be where I 691 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 6: would come back to that too, is. This is a 692 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 6: team that was second in the league against the run 693 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 6: last year and they're twenty fourth right now, So that 694 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 6: is as big of an issue, I think as anything. 695 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 6: I mean, you look at the Chargers run for two 696 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 6: hundred and seven yard last night, and really Justin Herbert 697 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 6: was sacked twice, but otherwise had room to scramble, had 698 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 6: room to sit in the pocket. I think a lot 699 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 6: of the things that you hang your having with this 700 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 6: team are on the defensive side of the ball, and 701 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 6: they've had some things there. I think Van Ginkel being 702 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 6: out has been a big factor, and Blake Cashman being 703 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 6: out certainly as a factor as well. It's not anywhere 704 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 6: near to the level that they've faced it on the 705 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 6: offensive line, So I put a lot of it there. Yeah, 706 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 6: I understand what he's saying about the pressure and all 707 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 6: of the machinations they've had to come up with on 708 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 6: the offensive line. They still have not had a single 709 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 6: snap where the five starters they want have been on 710 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 6: the field together. So that's really really difficult for any 711 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 6: NFL team to work past. You never see NFL teams 712 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 6: with enough offensive line depth in this day and age 713 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 6: to survive that, and I think that's that's a valid point. 714 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 6: But the fact they've been as porous as they have 715 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 6: against the run and we've seen some coverage bucks in 716 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 6: the last couple of weeks. I don't know that that 717 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 6: is one you just pass off of injuries. I think 718 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 6: that's a deeper issue that comes down to a lot 719 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 6: of wider things than just health. 720 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 3: So we're it Is it fair to say that we're not. 721 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned at the start, and you're going 722 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 3: to write about this for Sunday Line of Scrimmage again, 723 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 3: huge issue, both offensive line and defensive line. That the 724 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 3: early signs if and again we're almost we're getting close 725 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 3: to halfway through the season or will be fairly soon, 726 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 3: that the early signs regarding the acquisitions we made, The 727 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 3: signings that we made very disappointing, whether it's due to 728 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 3: injury in some cases or just invisible in the case 729 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 3: a couple of the defense interior defensive linemen. 730 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, I think that's right. I mean you had 731 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 6: it certainly with some of the injuries. Ryan Kelly obviously 732 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 6: is the most significant one at least of the new acquisitions. 733 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 6: On the offensive line, Will Prides has been the one 734 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 6: guy that's been on the field and stay healthy among 735 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 6: those offensive linemen. But yes, the defensive line. I mean 736 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 6: Javon Hargrave is as a cap number this year of nineteen. 737 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 6: Now that that my cat number almost eight million dollars 738 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 6: this year, and then next year it goes to twenty one, 739 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 6: and that'll be a larger discussion for later. I think 740 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 6: you're probably talking about them having to do something with 741 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 6: that contract. But the way he's played or the way 742 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 6: he's kind of played himself out of that rotation a 743 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 6: little bit, especially agains the run, Yeah, that's been disappointing. 744 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 6: And then Jonathan Allen's probably been a little bit better, 745 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 6: but not to the degree that I think they would 746 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 6: have hoped for when they gave him fifty one million 747 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 6: dollars or three years. I think both of those signings 748 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 6: have not been what they were hoping. They wanted interior 749 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 6: pass rush from those guys, and they've got a couple 750 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,919 Speaker 6: of sacks at piece, but they certainly have not been 751 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 6: the consistent disruptors that they wanted, and against the run, 752 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 6: they have been part of the struggle. So yeah, I 753 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 6: think a lot of those things have not worked out 754 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 6: the way they hoped, and they're going to have a 755 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 6: lot of questions after this year because they've got I 756 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 6: think three hundred and forty seven million dollars of cap 757 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 6: commitments for next year already, and you're going to have 758 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 6: conversations pretty quickly on some of these players they signed 759 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 6: and saying is the second year of this contract worth it? 760 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 6: Or do we need to think about doing some other things? 761 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: Good work. Hopefully you can get some sleep. 762 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 3: We'll look forward to what you're writing for Sunday and 763 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 3: we'll let chat next week. 764 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 6: Thanks man, all right, sounds good. 765 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 3: Thanks Dom, Ben Gestling, Star Tribune and of course startobune 766 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 3: dot com. Brought to you by Standard Heating and Air Conditioning. 767 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 3: A Lavelle is tentatively scheduled for five thirty. Do we 768 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 3: have confirmation? He says he's in awesome between games, maybe 769 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 3: a mini top five at five. I went a little 770 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 3: on with Ben, what do you got lots of w's 771 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 3: Wild Wolves World Series