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Speaker 1: is the number TOM in framing Ham. Thanks for holding

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Speaker 1: Tom and welcome hiy Jeff.

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Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of nice things about heat pumps

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Speaker 2: this morning. My experience with him is that they're a

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Speaker 2: lousy I used to when I lived in Maryland, I

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Speaker 2: had I had a combination heat pump and electric system.

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Speaker 2: When the temperature got below thirty degrees, I couldn't keep

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Speaker 2: that place warm. I ended up turn the electric on,

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Speaker 2: and of course the the meter was flying around at

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Speaker 2: the speed of sound at that point, the electric meter.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is I live in a neighborhood that

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Speaker 2: has mostly was built in the seventies the early seventies,

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Speaker 2: and everyone's got a boiler, everyone's got an oil hydronic system.

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Speaker 2: And I've noticed my next door name has a split

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Speaker 2: heating cooling split heating cooling system, you know, with the

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Speaker 2: And I noticed her chimneys and going full out for

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Speaker 2: the last three hours, like you know, so her boiler's on.

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Speaker 2: She's got her boiler on, She's got her thermostat set

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Speaker 2: you know, high enough to keep the place warm, so

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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like that and weather like this and

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Speaker 2: really cold weather, at least from my memory, unless you

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Speaker 2: get an over a really oversized system, those heat pumps

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Speaker 2: don't really work too good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom, Look I've heard that as well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I got to say, some people speak very well of

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Speaker 1: the only one who's told me this, sayhad Jeff. They're

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Speaker 1: really not all that there. They're cracked up to be,

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Speaker 1: and you're right below a certain temperature. They say they

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Speaker 1: just don't work well or they don't even work at all.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Tom, that's Look, this is what I

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Speaker 1: find a bit disturbing from at least some of the

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Speaker 1: not you, but others. It's like they're looking for ways

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Speaker 1: to survive Healey's Green socialist onslaught. It's like, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: how do we absorb the blow and keep going? And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, let's just end it, let's repeal it,

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Speaker 1: let's defeat her. I mean, this is ridiculous. We shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have to put up with this. Having look paying twelve thirteen,

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen hundred dollars a month for electric and gas

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Speaker 1: is insane, period, full stop. Here I can give you

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Speaker 1: more examples. This is from a Fox twenty five, a

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Speaker 1: local you know Fox twenty five, the local affiliate. There's

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Speaker 1: a woman cited in the story. She's on a fixed

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Speaker 1: that her utility bill has tripled in one year. Tripled.

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Speaker 1: It's gone from one hundred to over way over three

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars. And she says, look, I'm on a fixed income.

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Speaker 1: This is killing me. She goes, you don't understand, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm on Social Security. I'm counting pennies and it just

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Speaker 1: keeps going up and up. And she goes, I'm using

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Speaker 1: the same amount of energy, same heating, same electricity, same power,

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Speaker 1: nothing has changed, and it just more than tripled. Now

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Speaker 1: to me, this is an affordability crisis, a cost of living,

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Speaker 1: this is an inflation crisis. Now, if the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: can't run on this, then I'm telling you they're useless.

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Speaker 1: Like they're just absolutely useless, and we the citizens should

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Speaker 1: say enough is enough, Like no, we're not gonna no,

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to dinky ten here by the way,

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Speaker 1: just so that you know, Tom, this little dinky, it's

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Speaker 1: not even a reduction, it's a delay. This ten percent

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Speaker 1: you have to pay it. You're gonna get charged extra

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Speaker 1: ten and twenty five percent in the summer. The utilities

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Speaker 1: now have just come out this broke a couple of

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Speaker 1: days ago. They're gonna charge up to six point seven

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Speaker 1: five let's not quibble, seven percent interest on top of

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Speaker 1: the you know when they increase your ten percent twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent, so we're actually gonna end up paying more.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to pay back the ten twenty five

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Speaker 1: off the off peak years, okay, the off peak months

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Speaker 1: forgive me, okay in August and September and October, and

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna get hit base with a six seven

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: People? Are they that stupid? These move bats? The du

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. This ends like why are we accepting this now? Look, honestly,

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Speaker 1: prices go up a little bit here, a little bit there, Okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: that's life. But triple quadruple I was paying five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: I'm now almost at fifteen hundred. What this is like

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Speaker 1: you want to chase every working middle class person out

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Speaker 1: looking for fixes or a heat pump or no. I

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Speaker 1: want to repeal NED zero by twenty fifty. All of

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Speaker 1: see the cost of everything is going to go down dramatically.

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Speaker 1: Stanley in Boston. Thanks for holding Stanley, and welcome, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: I just got off the phone with the Massachusetts Department

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Speaker 3: of Public Utilities, UH, and I've been told that they

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Speaker 3: are going to make a decision probably in the next

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Speaker 3: few days on the interest on those deferred payments on

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Speaker 3: gas and electric. But today is the last day that

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Speaker 3: the public can contact them with comments for their consideration.

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Speaker 3: So the telephone number is six one seven three zero

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Speaker 1: If you don't mind, let me just give out the

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Speaker 1: number again, six six one seven three zero five thirty

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Speaker 1: five hundred. Again it's six one seven three zero five

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Speaker 1: three five zero zero Stanley, I've got to ask you this,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if they if they told you

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Speaker 1: any more information, but I'm just curious. This is all

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Speaker 1: beyond our control, right, you mean this entire audience. We

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Speaker 1: didn't ask for a deferred payment in February or March.

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Speaker 1: This is all being done by more heally, unilaterally. So

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Speaker 1: it's not a reduction. That's a lie. We have to pay.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna pay an extra ten percent in the off

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Speaker 1: peak months, ten percent on gas two months, twenty five

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Speaker 1: just you pay less in February March. You pay more,

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Speaker 1: say in August, September or September, October, but then they're

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Speaker 1: gonna hit us with an interest charge, so I'm actually

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Speaker 1: paying more. So my question to you is I don't

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Speaker 1: want to pay more, So how about I don't get

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Speaker 1: your deferral? So leave me alone. Don't reduce a ten

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Speaker 1: me alone. Is there an opt out Stanley or you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious did they mention that.

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Speaker 3: To you? Is that last year I sent a letter

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Speaker 3: Department of Public Utilities. That's a three member, three member commission.

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Speaker 3: Two of their members left within the last eight months.

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Speaker 3: They have a new member there, basically stating that I

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Speaker 3: did not want of a deferred payments that I have

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Speaker 3: I pay it. And what I have just assured this

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Speaker 3: I have the ability to pay, I want to pay,

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Speaker 3: that I will probably litigate it for you and everyone

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Speaker 3: else should litigate it. What herey is basically doing is

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Speaker 3: and I think the raw long road down the line

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Speaker 3: a yearly payment program. You know you need you need

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Speaker 3: the guess and electric companies need your approval to get

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Speaker 3: on a yearly program. Yet herely is opting here and

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Speaker 3: pushing everybody to get a deferred payment program when a

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Speaker 3: lot of people don't want that, okay, because they're basically

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Speaker 3: the fact that here he took one hundred was one

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Speaker 3: million dollars to pay the utility companies. Now that's tax

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Speaker 3: payer money, that's our money. She's taken one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty million dollars to pay the utility companies to defer

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Speaker 3: So it's the incentive for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. And

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Speaker 3: putting up one hundred and eighty million, I can pay

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Speaker 3: my bill. I want to pay my bill. And here

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Speaker 3: bill is going to be deferred they're basically stepping on

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Speaker 3: everyone's contract. I mean it is a contract agreement, a

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Speaker 3: want to defer their payment and what a nerve on them?

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Speaker 3: And then to charge and then to charge a percentage

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Speaker 3: for what's this a late payment?

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Speaker 1: It's discussing. You've got to be Stanley. I gotta tell

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Speaker 1: your genius. Really, I'm telling your genius, your definitely IQ

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Speaker 1: above one forty. I'm telling you absolute genius. You so

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Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head. And Stanley, if you

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Speaker 1: don't mind me asking when you mentioned all this, what

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Speaker 1: Did they say anything?

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Speaker 3: That's the sweet young lady that works as the depopment

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Speaker 3: She said, well, you know I have to pay a

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Speaker 3: what Heley needs to watch out for is there's one million,

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Speaker 3: six hundred thousand gas uses in Massachusetts. A million and

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Speaker 3: a half people use natural gas to heat their homes.

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Speaker 3: And all they have to remember from election time is

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Speaker 3: when she said a few short years ago, proudly I

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Speaker 3: stop two gas pipelines coming into Massachusetts. But Jeff, can

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Speaker 3: I just say this, there are two federal regulatory agencies

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Speaker 3: about not letting pipe cut lines come through. They're purposely

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Speaker 3: doing this knowing full well there's no infrastructure in the

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Speaker 3: They know it. This is something that that the Democrats

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Speaker 3: in Massachusetts pushed under the mass Safe program, which is

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Speaker 3: another scam. That's one thing I mentioned to her real

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Speaker 3: take advantage of this mass Save program, that's a bull

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Speaker 3: faced lie because people who rent and people who lease

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Speaker 3: cannot modify a property without the permission of the owner.

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Speaker 3: So people who are rending and leasing, you're paying into

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Speaker 3: this mass Safe program and they can't take advantage of this.

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Speaker 3: That's the other big scam. But they legislated that, and

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Speaker 3: let me tell you a lot of people are going

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Speaker 3: to be moving out of Massachusetts, chef. That's all I

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Speaker 3: have to say.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I agree, Stanley, I agree, Dynamite call honestly, dynamite, Stanley,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for that call. Look, let me

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Speaker 1: call it for what it is.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not here to speak the truth, then what's

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Speaker 1: the point of me being behind this microphone. It's theft.

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Speaker 1: When Stanley said that, I'm like, I'm joining. Oh, Julie,

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Speaker 1: She doesn't have the authority. This has to go through committee,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for holding Kathy, and.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Jeff boy that last call.

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Speaker 5: It was excellent. Good for him. I think all your

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Speaker 5: You know, I like to join it on that as well.

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Speaker 5: Every single one of your call is please go online

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Speaker 5: to tell your select people or your city councilors, your mayor,

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Speaker 5: It's insanity. So people need to become aware of what's

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Speaker 5: and stop saying no, we're not taking anymore. And you know, Jeff,

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Speaker 5: Mary really needs to go.

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Speaker 1: Kathy, you couldn't be more right. Okay, you couldn't be

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Speaker 1: more right. So I've got to ask you the obvious

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Speaker 1: this is slam dunk now after slam dunk after slam

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Speaker 1: is great, don't get me wrong, But why are we

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Speaker 1: they going after Healey? Why aren't they attacking her on

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Speaker 5: This is being run by Amy Kanavali and she's weak.

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Speaker 5: I told him, why are you not Why have you

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Speaker 5: not gone on the Jeff Cooner show yet? Why are

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Speaker 1: Kathy, thank you very much for that call. Dale in Brockton.

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Speaker 6: How's it going, Jeff, I'm good?

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Speaker 1: How are you? Dale?

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Speaker 6: Not too bad? So I want to reiterate on the

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Speaker 1: What Dale, are you serious?

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Speaker 1: It went from eighty dollars a month to fifteen hundred

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Speaker 6: Over time, it started going up, up, up up.

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Speaker 1: Dale, O, if you don't want me asking over like

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Speaker 6: No? No, no, I had took this apartment over because

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Speaker 6: I used to live in Kansas, but I was born

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Speaker 1: I got you, but I have yes. I don't mean

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yep, a year. It started off at eighty bucks a month,

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Speaker 6: And I have oil heat, I don't have air conditioning,

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Speaker 6: debt dale. How do you keep get hire.

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Speaker 1: And hire daily? Again, I don't want to get too

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Speaker 1: how do you afford that fifteen hundred dollars a month?

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Speaker 1: A ya yai.

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Speaker 6: Plans and they offer all these things, but they don't

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Speaker 6: Like I said, I have oil, I don't even have

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Speaker 1: Oh that's true, Okay, okay, that's a good point.

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Speaker 6: So what am I using here?

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Speaker 3: For?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 6: Two TVs? And they're not latched TVs? A couple of

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: I believe Yeah, No, you're subsidizing. You're you're paying for

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Speaker 1: the climate change, you're paying for illegals, You're you're you're

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Speaker 1: you're paying for. It's they're robbing us, blind Dale. I mean, really,

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