WEBVTT - 11-6-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.360 Don't want to be in a mean idiot. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.360 Good morning, Scott's Loan Show on seven hundred WLW on 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.959 a beautiful Thursday morning. Of course, there is a poll 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.200 cast over our area, our region of what happened with 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.800 the crash of a UPS twenty nine seventy six in 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:20.080 Louisville just two days ago. Three crew members and what 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:22.840 I think twelve dead, three of them crew members, the 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.200 rest on the ground. There's still several more missing, a 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.440 bunch of people injured. To here's what we know so far. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.720 Of course, that flight to Honolulu when it went down 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.159 at five point fifteen on Wednesday, it's a MD eleven 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.000 and two hundred almost three hundred thousand gallons of fuel 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.319 and a full of cargo bound for Honolulu, and that 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:44.160 upon takeoff, striking a petroleum recycling center at one hundred 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.360 and seventy miles an hour. And there are way more 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.920 questions and answers to this point as usual, and honest, 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.120 let me bring in that he's a local commercial pilot. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.760 His name is Ken Reader. Captain Ken Reader. Welcome back 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.240 our aviation expert this morning on the Scott Sloan Show. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:57.880 How are you good? 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.959 Good morning, Scott, Yeah, have said, uh, say a turn 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.600 of events here, and uh yeah, I'm happy to talk 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.800 about it. It's very tough. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.440 For the aviation community as a whole on this one. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:11.880 Let's let's set the scene here a little bit too. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.000 And you've flown in and out of Louisville many times. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.480 It's most people kind of have an idea. That's the 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.800 worldwide air hub for UPS. Not just the worldwide hub, 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.360 but also it's their training centers, their training facility. There's 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.840 like five million square feet around there and there are 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.200 two million package that's just the processing let alone, the 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.080 commercial field and the private aviation area as well. So 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.320 it's there's a lot going on at that field. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.039 Yes, there is. It's uh uh UPS has such a 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.600 large footprint there and uh this is this is going 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.759 to affect them. But you know, just the accident as 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:50.760 a whole, an accident like this is uh throughout history. 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:52.760 There's a few of these that happen now and then, 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.120 and it affects all of the airline pilots, all of 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.320 the pilot, but airline pilots specifically, because we put a 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.320 lot of time into trying to mitigate train for an 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.200 event like this, and some things you just can't train for. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.960 And this is one of those events that all the 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.920 commercial pilots are looking at it and say, now the 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:17.639 engine came off the aircraft and that opens up a whole. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:18.200 Lot of questions. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.959 Yeah, most casual passengers that fly nervous when they land 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.600 because you know the ground's gonna be got penny, Oh 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.560 my gosh. The worst, the most dangerous areas. Any pilot 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.200 like yourself will tell you is going to be takeoff. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.600 And so let's let's go through that. During the takeoff role. 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:32.919 What what did you see happen here? 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.720 Yeah, so specifically for an airline jete, but this is 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.959 small aircraft too. There is a time that right when 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:45.120 the airplane leaves the ground for a number of seconds, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.399 maybe minutes, that there is uh, you've got a lot 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.280 of risk, you know. There's we have little options as 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:57.040 pilots on what we can potentially do to save ourselves, 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.440 save the aircraft. These are rare events that I want 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:02.720 to make sure that's clear. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:04.600 In this particular. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.440 Case, when an aircraft is moving down the runway, we 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:08.200 take into a. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.359 Whole lot of thoughts. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:15.320 And planning into that takeoff environmental concerns, whether the aircraft weight, 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.120 how much fuel we got with the length of the runway. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.720 There's a lot of factors. This is all plugged into 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.960 let's call it a computer, and the system then gives 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.280 us a takeoff number that we will leave the ground with, 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:32.520 and it's an air speed, and the airspeed we call 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.920 it V one. V stands for velocity and one is 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.840 just that particular moment how the aircraft is set up. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.520 When the aircraft reaches V one, if we have a 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.080 problem prior to V one, we can put on the brakes. 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.280 All we got come to a complete stop. We'll stop 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.120 on the runway and we'll figure out what the problem 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.840 was after that. After V one, we're still not ready 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.400 to fly yet, but we're so far down the runway 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.600 that we can't stop. In that case, the air does 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.360 take off, and we can take off on one engine. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:08.080 The air big transport category airplanes, which this is one 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.440 of the aircraft can fly on one engine. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.000 It has to that much power. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.880 So this airplane had three engines, so it lost one 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:22.400 third of its power. It should have been able to fly. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.600 And that starts to bring in all the I don't 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.040 know the questions and the right there's so many people 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.120 trying to come up with their own thoughts on how this. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.159 Yeah, yeah, and there's you know, and that's a critical 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.599 thing is V one And bringing it back to that, 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.480 it's a whole bunch of factors going in the cocular. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.360 It's the way, it's the runway length, that's if the 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:46.160 runway's wet or icy contaminated, temperature, prey. A whole bunch 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.440 of factors right in what that how many knots of 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.360 takeoff speed is? But as I understand it, ken once 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.320 you hit that mark, that's it's either go or no go. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.080 Once you're pass V one, if you have engine fail 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:56.960 or you power through it. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.040 Right, it is it is a go. And that what 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.840 is the event that airline pilots, specifically corporate pilots, we 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.640 all go through this scenario every training episode that we 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.760 have throughout our career, so we all understand what is 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.960 going to take to fly an airplane that you got 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:18.760 to kind of think that the symmetrical thrust that would 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.960 bring you forward is now coming off of one wing 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.320 or the other and you have to compensate for that 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:27.000 and how you do that. But like I said, we 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.920 trained for that all the time. In this case, there's 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.279 some factors that are unexplained. You know, the engine leaving 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:38.440 the airplane, that's something we don't train for. We can't 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:45.120 train for. And and actually there is an airplane that 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.839 this happened to, and it was a DC ten. Happened 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.159 in the late nineties or late seventies and the American 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:55.120 Airlines Flight one ninety one. It's left engine came off 0:05:55.160 --> 0:06:00.960 the aircraft after departure out of Chicago. And the DC 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.560 ten and the MD eleven are sister airplanes. The MD 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.320 eleven is the more modern version of the DC ten. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.960 So scenarios like that, I'm sure we're engineered out of 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.760 the airplane, so that wouldn't happen. So what happened on 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.440 this one? But then the investigators they are going to 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.400 take weeks and months and probably years to find out 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:22.400 exactly what the cause was. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.240 Typically you don't see that where the engine separates from 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.000 the pilon, which is what holds it to the wing, 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.400 and you see some of these videos it's completely gone 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.360 at that point, and that is such an extremely rare occurrence. Said, 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.440 there's no way to prepare for that, because if you 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.159 think about it like it's like one of the wheels 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.120 of your tire. You know, your tire falling off on 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.400 a car. All of a sudden you're driving in that 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.719 engine's gone. It throws the way to the aircraft off. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.160 The wing starts to dip down. It's not asymmetrical, which 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.560 is you know, a trade anymore. And that really is 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.159 what you don't see it in the video in the seconds, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.800 but there's no way with that gone it could have 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.799 got off the ground. But there's there's two other engines, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.760 as you mentioned, did water. Both those have to fail 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:58.440 for this to occur. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.880 You know, there there is some questions out there about 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.240 the right wing engine and uh there's uh we call 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.160 it compressor stall. It's when the air coming into the 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.600 engine with the fuel mixture is not right and the 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.920 engine will it's called kind of like a backfire in 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.280 a way, but it reduces power a little bit. There's 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.920 some question out there. There's some flashes on video showing 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.960 that maybe it was encountering that that would be that 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:30.720 reduction and thrust that may be part of the reason 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.800 that they couldn't keep the airplane flying. But that's all 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.160 speculation at your point. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.760 Sure, but you think is that because with the engine 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.320 leaving the left wing being separated. Does that clause like, 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:45.760 I don't know some of the hydraulic lines and like 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.760 to are they completely separate in that case, because did 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.000 the one engine take the other one out? 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:51.120 We'll cause the compressor to stall. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:57.240 Yeah, there there is common systems between the engines, but 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.800 there are very few and you know, hydraulics and and 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.520 anything that would drive that engine would be separated from 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.240 the from the engine that the part of the airplane. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.800 Now that doesn't say that the debris coming off the 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:16.000 other engine didn't cause some other related you know, emergency 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.240 items or even debris going into the intake of the 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.480 other engine for all we know. So there's a and 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.960 and the investigators are going to figure out all of that. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.200 But you know, just to go in the investigation side 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:30.440 of it a little bit. There's going to be a 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.600 preliminary report that will come out probably in about two 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:38.280 three weeks. This is a very notable different accident, so 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:39.920 it may take a little bit longer, but there'll be 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.800 a preliminary report that These are a few things that 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.800 we already know from the black boxes. You know, if 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.160 one is a voice recorder and the other one is 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.600 is data aircraft set up and all those kind of 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.160 things that they'll they'll compare the two. They'll learn a 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.559 lot from that, and then from there it's going to 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.600 be kind of a slow chug to try to narrow 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.040 it down to exactly what the causes. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.160 He is, Captain can read a commercial pilot of Cincinnati. 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.400 He's flown a long time. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:08.040 Let's put it down. 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:09.520 Don't make you old ken me for low a long time. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.839 You've seen it all. We're talking about, of course, what 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.520 happened in Louisville on Wednesday. Now the death holls up 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.160 to twelve, and that number is actually fluction. I've seen 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.400 different reports right around twelve. The three crew members for 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.200 sure that was not survivable. And now people on ground, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.199 including a small child I guess, which is just parent's 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.840 going to be unconsolable there. There's still some folks missing, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.600 and now they're in the recovery phrase of this whole thing. 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.440 When it went down about five fifteen hour time on 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.240 Wednesday in Louisville at Muhammad Ali, we're talking to the 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.160 other element of this thing too, with a plane and 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.439 speculators of what may have caused this. Because people get 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.120 concerned because we have CVG here, you've got DHL and 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.680 Amazon flying in and out. And you look at this 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.880 field at Louisville, and if you looked at Google Earth, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.360 like I did at the moment of the crash, I noticed, Wow, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.960 the initial reports were a particular couple of roads there, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.400 and I noticed that there is a big FOURD assembly 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.679 plant in that area as well. I mean, could you 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.240 imagine how it hit that. But let's talk about the 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.600 field design here too. And a lot of urban area 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.040 airfields have things around it, obviously for expediency, but you 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.040 know some in some airports you can go off the runway. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.320 Even in louisvill there's some areas where it had not 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:17.120 been that particular. One Way seventeen right, there's fields around 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.640 there too, but it's so built off with industry right 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.839 up into the end of the where you would lift 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.880 off or land. Would they did have a look at 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:28.360 that and go man man in the future, maybe it's 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.040 not a good idea to put these things out close 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:30.679 to the runway. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.040 You know, everybody wants their airports is close to there 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.439 where they live, the center of the city as possible. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.600 You know, look Wardy, there's Newark. There's so many airports. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.800 I could use it as an example how tight things 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.559 are midway at Chicago a number of years back, Southwest 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.679 went over overran the runway icy conditions and went out 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:59.319 onto a street. So the field design is a small 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.400 part of this. Louisville specifically is a well designed airport, 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:08.040 and so it's a matter of bad luck with this one, 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:12.360 bad luck for where the runway was or the airport 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.920 was when the failure happened. And but a field design 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.280 it plays a I'm going to say a lesser of 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.200 a role in this particular crash. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.960 Yeah, as I look at this too, Ken, the other 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:29.960 problem here is, and it's just speculation that the plane, 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.640 allegedly this particular arcaft went for under repair for corrosion 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.600 and cracks back in September. But as I understand too, 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.520 that they switched the equipment out, I guess two hours before. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.240 Do you know what the timeline is for that? Here? 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.000 You know, and I know the airplane was delayed on 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.960 the ground for about two hours for a left engine 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.920 issue unspecified at this point. Is so what the issue is? 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.880 I will say this though you and I talked about 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.280 this whole few years back when we were talking about 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:03.719 the life of an aircraft generally, cargo carrying aircraft are 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.680 used towards the end of the life of the equipment. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.880 You know, this particular airplane was four years old. It 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.880 came from another airline and was converted into a freighter 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:21.280 in two thousand and six. So the airplane, a thirty 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.440 four year old airplane is not considered super old. But 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.600 it goes back to the cycles. Like we spoke about 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.720 years back, how many cycles does the airplane have on it, 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.520 you know, how many times does the airplane flight, and 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.480 what other corrosion or issues are on there. In this 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:43.760 particular case, I believe that there was a catastrophic failure 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:48.560 of the engine itself. Whether it blew up, which is 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.560 very rare, but something caused it to explode off of 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.959 the wing you know, the mounts that hold the wings. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:13:00.640 That that's something that would be less like to fail. 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.080 In this case, I believe it was more of a 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:04.280 catastrophic failure. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.880 Okay, yeah, because the latest on this is this plane, 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.640 this particular aircraft flew to San Antonio on September third 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.520 and was there til October eighteenth for maintenance issues. A 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.840 contractor doesn't work on the MD eleven fleet there in 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.840 San Antonio, so it had been down for service. They 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:21.640 noticed a crack string under the center wing of the 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.840 upper fuel tank, but that's not indicative that, you know, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.720 related to the engine falling off in this case. Is 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.240 that something that could have been done, or maybe they 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.040 took the engine offering maintenance it wasn't put back on properly. 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:34.480 Is that a possibility here? 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.320 That could be a possibility, And the investigators are probably 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:43.319 determined that if they haven't already right away, so that'll 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:44.240 come quick. 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:44.719 But if you. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:48.880 Remember the Concord crash back in the nineties, Concord was 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.480 taken off out of heat throw. There was debris on 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.080 the runway. They cut the tire, the debris went up 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.960 into the fuel tank and all the fuel leaking out 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:58.880 the air planting flu for about I want to say, 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.000 about three minutes. It's been a long time since I've 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.960 looked at it, but at about ten miles and while 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.920 they were trying to fix the issue, they couldn't. It 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:12.680 resulted in a crash. This particular crash could be related 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.840 to something that has nothing to do with the maintenance 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:15.400 on the airplane. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:15.959 It could be. 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:20.840 Something unrelated on the runway. In that Concord crash, they 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.720 ended up narrowing it down to the aircraft that had 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.520 a piece of metals come off the aircraft and land 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.280 on the runway. And that's what the attire whatever. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.680 That's incredible that something like that could take an engine out, 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.280 I mean literally make it fall off. 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.000 That's you. You hear that. 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.720 It doesn't really make me want to fly, but you know, 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.360 we have tens of thousands of flights at any one time, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.360 and this is a very very rare occurrence. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.080 What happened here. It just happened to be with a. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.400 Fully loaded cargo aircraft striking the end of the runway 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:53.560 and a precise location that involved a recycling fuel recycling area, 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.080 and the you know what, roughly what is that one 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.560 hundred and seventy miles an hour roughly a takeoff that's 0:14:58.600 --> 0:14:59.480 going to be catastrophic. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.000 Yeah, yeah, hundred and eighty six went up to about 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.760 one hundred and seventy five feet in the air, and 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.920 you can tell the pilots were working everything they could 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.680 to try to make the slide. This particular aircraft, the 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.600 NBA eleven, it's only operated by three cargo carriers in 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.680 the US, set x ups and I believe it's Gemini 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.440 and other than that, it's been retired from around the world. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.600 The airplane is known as a fast airplane, but it's 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.240 also known to have a history of crashes through its 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:33.480 lifetime and in the different models. The DC ten before 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.440 runner to the NBA eleven, which stayed engineering out all 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.280 the bad habits. Shall I say about the previous airplane, 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:44.160 But yes, this is a very rare occurrence, and it 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.160 has stirred up all the pilots in the business. I mean, 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.800 we're all talking about it, and you know, I would 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:51.960 that should have said, it's gonna be a lot of 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.800 us going back to the books and saying, okay, so 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.240 what happens if that were to happen to me? How 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:57.160 am I going to get out of that? 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.480 Yeah? Is it? You meant one? 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.400 Which is the speed you have to get to be airborne? 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.920 And so either before that you can aboard, after you can't. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.040 Is there been cases where you're able to successfully aboard 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:10.000 after you hit that speed? 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:12.320 You know? 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.800 Yes, yes, there are. There's there's at the end of 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:22.280 the runway, there's an emat, generally a surface of like 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:26.760 foam or soft material that brings the airplane to a stop. Yes, 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.720 there are cases that it has worked in this particular case. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.560 I believe their takeoff weight is probably somewhere over five 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:34.800 hundred thousand pounds. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.320 You know, when you as. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.320 A pilot, when we put the brakes on full max braking, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.800 there's some limitations on that. So eventually we are going 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.840 to use up because we're moving so fast and so heavy, 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.160 We're going to use all the breaking material. The brakes 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.640 will then fail because there's nothing left. And now now 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.520 I'm in a really bad spot. Now I'm a rolling, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.960 you know, shopping cart with no brakes. So there's limits 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:07.159 on our takeoff configuration and performance because the engineering says 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.640 we can't do that. So after V one, yes, we are. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.080 It's very rare. 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.640 That I know of somebody that has said I'm gonna 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.199 stop now. Yeah, if I can't, if I don't think 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.040 the airplane's gonna fly, I'm gonna I'm gonna take that 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.440 chance and and bring the airplane to a stop best 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.159 way I can, because if it doesn't fly, there's I 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:27.800 know the answer to the problem right. 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.080 Right, And there's not much room at the end of 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.159 the runway either. You're looking at buildings coming at you 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.159 as opposed to maybe a field in some trees and 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:35.800 then buildings that probably. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:36.360 Factors as well. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:38.320 Yeah, very much. 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:39.879 Yeah, unfortunate. 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:41.720 All right, So there's the timeline, you know what, the 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.720 very latest here with this crash in Louisville. It's interesting 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.560 here because theres a lot of speculation that I love 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.199 having you on because you're informed relatively and speculation, and 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.880 that is Captain Ken Reader, commercial pilot based out of Cincinnati, 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.160 our aviation expert on the Scots Slump Show. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:56.800 Can all the best. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.200 Yeah, my prayers go out to the family as the 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:01.760 end of the flying community as a whole. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:02.680 And thanks for having me on. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:04.639 Yeah, yeah, anytime. All right. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.520 Hopefully we can talk when times are better as opposed 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.000 to these kind of tragedies right here. But you know, again, 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:11.920 for those here, this has got Matt. I'm never gonna 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.040 it's so rare for things like this to happen. Typically 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.359 it's more private aviation, you know, the private planes as 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.280 opposed to commercial. But you got a lot of cargo 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.200 flying around too, and you don't really hear about these. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.480 It probably seems like at any one time, especially here 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.560 in Cincinnati, there's more cargo flying around than passenger. And 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.399 yet you know, we don't hear about these things happening, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.480 Oh thank god. But when they do, of course it's 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.640 huge news. It wasn't that long ago, certainly within my lifetime, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.000 where these things were kind of frequent, I believe it 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.280 or not, and now it's pretty rare, extremely rare for 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.480 that matter. Let me get a news update in a 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.000 little reaction to the election from Tuesday and what it 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:47.920 all means. And I've been thinking on this is good, 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.720 just some good toilet time for me to get some 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.600 thoughts together. We'll do that at nine thirty five, right 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:56.360 after news sol only here on seven hundred WWT. Scott's 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:00.320 flowing back on seven hundred WLW. Thanks to you can 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.720 reader for jumping on this morning. Chris, you're flying out today, 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.800 flying right. You know, we've got the delays because of 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.399 the government shut down which continues, and no after thirty 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.000 days we start to feel the squeeze a little bit more. 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.280 We'll see if there's an end in sight. Who knows, 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.280 who knows how long they're going to drag this nonsense out. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.480 I'll tell you, as a smart politician, you may hate 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.560 the hell out of her, but you got to respect 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.520 her game. That would be Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi announcing 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.320 her retirement, and say what you will about the woman, 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.840 but she knows when to get off a sinking ship. 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.920 It's over first establishment Democrats and Republicans, so that it's 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.760 kind of over right now. I want to think it's 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.679 I was planning this already, but with the election of 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.639 zohanmandamia New York, I can see the writing. 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:47.840 On the wall. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.159 And he won the mayoral races, you know, with just 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:51.560 over fifty percent of the vote. 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:52.680 Quomo got forty two. 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.119 Curtis Leewag got what seven percent, So even put those 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:59.080 two together, you still lose twice as many voters turned 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.120 out than the last mayor line in New York City. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.159 So I often don't care about New York. I care 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.320 about Ohio, I care about Kentuck, I care about Indiana. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.880 But it's going to affect us here in some way, 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:10.520 shape or form at some point. 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:12.879 And I know too. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.280 It's just like listening a little bit to Willie and 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:21.000 some of the other conservative hosts and all across the landscape. 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.600 It's you know, people that some people are like beside 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.600 themselves over what happened in New York City is grave concern, 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.959 especially with this win because a Marxist, was a lot 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.359 of communists elected mayor. And now I heard things about 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.200 stupid voters, and you know, people just want free stuff 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.159 and other tantrums, and you know, I think you ignore 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.280 that at your peril. It's the same histronics after Trump 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:47.000 want it's not the fall of the voters. Everyone Hillary 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.199 lost and oh my god, it's stupid voters and how 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.000 could you vote. It's the fall of Democrats and Republicans 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.000 for not offering a better alternative. Trump was a better 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.560 alternative than Hillary Clinton. We got tired of Trump, but 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.919 elected Biden. Biden was worst. You got Trump again, so 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:06.439 h and mendam me say what you will about He's 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.920 the anti Trump, right, He's a progressive Trump, he's a populist. 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.120 He use social media and had a great ground game 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.880 to win. He got what a million vote went over 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:17.800 a million votes are crying out loud and double the 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:23.159 turnout for that matter. And you know, you may despise 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.199 and hate and disagree vehemently, as I do with what 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.960 he's about, but he's a force and you've got to 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.919 respect and fear that. So you know, And I was 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.000 watching something yesterday, I reading something, and it's something big 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.200 it's it's like Trump did right. He turned out people 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.680 who generally don't vote, they call him low propensity voters, 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.119 and he turned out people under the age of thirty. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.520 We was talking about, oh the young vote, the young vote, vote, vote, 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.399 vote right, and they never turn out. You got them 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.760 to turn out, and he got a lot of immigrants 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.920 to turn out. And I'm guessing that's probably because of 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.760 the fear in the backlash immigration and ice and a 0:21:57.800 --> 0:21:59.680 lot of young professionals are the other things. Well, yeah, 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.080 they're all freeloaders and we's okay, but what about all 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.399 the young professionals. You know, I came up during a 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:09.639 time when it was a Reagan Revolution, and then you 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.719 had a lot of young professionals discover conservatism in Reagan. 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.359 And now here you are a couple generations later, and 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:20.520 you've got young professionals who don't see upward mobility. You know, 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:22.760 we are sold trickle down economics and all that stuff. 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:24.440 How did that work? Eh? 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.600 But upward mobility in their future, they don't see it. 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:28.760 These are people that have college education, they have student loans. 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.720 They see rampant inflation, they see the outrageous cost of living. 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:34.879 I think, what's set people over the edge was just 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.080 a few months ago. The meme going around was, there's 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.160 just like an average men thirty dollars sandwich in New York. 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:42.680 We're not talking like kats Is Deli or something like that. 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:48.040 We're talking just a regular bodega sand would you're like 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:49.320 thirty dollars. 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:50.400 It's outrageous. 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:52.480 The cost of living there has always been outrageous, even 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:54.840 more outrageous today. And you know, you have people in 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:58.000 their thirties forties with roommates, you have healthcare issues, you 0:22:58.040 --> 0:22:59.919 have all that weighing down and even so, you know, 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.080 it's honestly just a bunch of freeloaders and dead beats. 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.959 And I get it. There's an appeal to that too, 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.919 as having someone else pay for what I want. And 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.639 he comes out with free buses and free childcare, and 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.359 we're gonna freeze the damn right rents too. Damn how 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.560 we're gonna freeze the rent It's it's the mirror. It's 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:16.439 the opposite, the other side of the coin of Trump's 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.359 promised to end inflation, bring back manufacturing through tariffs, and 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:23.000 make government more efficient. He just sell on the socialist 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:26.479 side of populism is what this is and you know, 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:30.239 as someone certainly who leans a lot more right than left, 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:37.640 and someone who is a he understands capitalism and free 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.320 and open markets and libertarianism. 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:43.520 You know what you got. 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.680 Trump's got to do something here otherwise, and I think 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.120 you probably are because we live in a copycat world. 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.200 You know, anytime you have something successful, there's a rush 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:54.560 to copy it, and it's never usually as good as 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:58.040 the original. But in this case, you're gonna have a 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.440 bunch of mom donnies in places like Frisco in LA 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:03.000 and Chicago and Seattle, and God knows right, because there's 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:04.400 gonna go out. It worked in New York, I'll try 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.520 it here. And that's where you should be a little 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:12.440 concerned if you live in southwest Ohio and Indiana and Kentucky. 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.399 And now's the time to focus on the commony, Okay, 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:18.399 not Gaza, not Greenland, not not Ukraine. He's off the 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.359 national guarden ice. This is what you got to focus on. 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:25.119 And I fully I understand because I have kids that 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.240 are thirty years older, under the age of thirty and 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.439 right around that age, and they are completely disconnected from 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.440 the economy, like they don't. 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:33.520 Know that they're scared to death. 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.480 And in the long run, you know, I see what 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:39.399 the promises are, and it's easy to make fun of 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.640 the free buses and free carre and we know it's 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.280 how's that gonna end? It's not gonna end well, because 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:45.880 you know, we've seen this before. We've heard that before. 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:47.920 If you're old or older, you may recall like the 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.199 nineteen seventies in New York and I was just a 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.479 baby then, but having grown up in that state anyway, 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:55.680 on the other side of it, you kind of could 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:56.359 see the effects of that. 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:57.600 I mean kind of knew. You know, at that age 0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:59.280 you have a sense that something's not quite right. 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:01.959 And I just remember as a kid, like when I 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:05.320 watch the Yankees or something like that, they show shots 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.919 of the Bronx burning and things like that, and you 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.800 know it sticks with you. And so the idea that 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:12.399 he's going to freeze rent, I was like, Okay, it 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:15.200 sounds great because I can't afford rent anymore and we're 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:18.760 going to force rent control policies and okay, well I'm 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.640 a landlord now and I'm old, so I like, okay, well, 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:23.840 first thing I see is that am I going to 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.480 put money back into those properties? No operating costs are 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:30.000 going to go up. I mean, let's face it, inflation 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:33.800 is bad taxes, property taxes, Like if we did, then Ohio, 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:35.919 I'm looking to wait, I've got all these proper taxes 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:39.159 that are going up. I've got escalating energy costs and 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.840 things I have to pay for, the cost of goods 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:46.920 and materials are going up through the roof. That now 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.560 cuts into mind. I can't raise the rent in order 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:51.679 to make a profit in order to cover that. 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:53.960 And so what do I do? I guess I could 0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:54.800 sell the property. 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.000 But if you do that, you're going to have everyone 0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:01.199 selling their property, which makes the property valuable. So what 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:03.879 happened in the seventies when they did this is landlords 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.760 just simply abandoned their properties. They couldn't afford to maintain them. 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.440 They're getting nailed by the health department because you know, hey, hey, 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.120 I need a new stove. Okay, well what's that five 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:17.720 hundred dollars? I'm making maybe fifty bucks a month because 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:19.760 of the frozen rent now after a period of time, 0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:21.560 so you know what, you're not getting a new stove. 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.880 And they complained to just and people literally and then 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:25.560 at one point in the seventies they were doing. They're 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.960 hiring arsonists, like the best job in New York was 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.480 a professional arsonist. So you burn the building down, get 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.040 the insurance money. And so that's why you saw the 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:36.520 Bronx burning literally is because landlords are paying people going, 0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.760 I can't afford because of frozen rent, I can't afford 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.320 to have this property anymore. I can't sell it because 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.280 there's no demand for it. No one's going to buy this, 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.760 and so they let the match And what does that 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.000 do to the quality nambers? The same people you're trying 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.320 to help and lift up out of poverty, you're actually 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.840 hurting because the tax base goes away, and now you've 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.600 got blight. And that of course lots to the Renaissance 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.400 with Juliani and that you know, times squares and mass 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.240 Its all a mess, and they turn the thing around. 0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.760 In addition, I mean now you have, instead of more 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.280 property which makes her cheaper, you have less property. You're 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.120 not incentivizing people to invest in New York City. You're 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:16.680 disincentivizing them. And when landlers can't charge market rate, building 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.159 new rental housing becomes less profitable. It's just it's simply 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.600 not going to happen. It's basic economics, one on one. 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.639 But if you're around thirty and you're desperate and you 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:29.240 simply can't afford anything, I understand the everyone wants something 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.480 for nothing. We're nation of all of us. I don't 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:33.160 care if you're on the right or the left, young, old, 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:35.840 doesn't matter. We all want stuff and we want someone 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.720 else to pay for it. Right, I mean, I get 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.800 a mortgage production. If you have a house, I do too, Right, 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.520 I get a break for owning this thing. Should you? Well, 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:46.400 it's all debtal. But everyone has some sort of subsidy 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.080 in their life. And it's not a subsidy when you're 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.399 getting it. It's always a subsidy when someone else is 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.640 getting it, which is part of the problem. And that's 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:57.399 just the housing thing, you know, talking about what was 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:00.399 the other thing? At grocery stores, I don't know how 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.359 you have a government run grocery store be successful. The 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:07.240 only one I can think of would be if you're 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.560 on a military base, we have stores. 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:11.000 The FED I. 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:12.720 Forget what it's called not I want to say fed X. 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.639 It's not fed AX, it's fed something fat. Anyway, Essentially 0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:18.320 there there you can go buy. You have to you know, 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.400 prove that you're a member of the military, active military, 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.679 and you get stuff extremely cheap. I mean, the prices 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:27.879 are insanely good. But because it's run by the government, 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.639 there's no profit incentive, and so you're not going to 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.159 get you're not going to innovate. You operate at a loss. 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:35.520 And that's just you know, for the military. And I 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.320 get why, because then we should do that. I'm not 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.000 knocking it having some of the other p x's and 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.000 things like that. But if you rose that, if you 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:44.680 if you launched that in a city like the sides 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:48.120 of New York and brought that up to scale, how 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.880 many millions, if not billions of dollars would you lose 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:52.880 over the course. It's just it's insane to think that 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.280 a government run store can come in and offer people 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.520 food and medicine and everything at cost. Someone's got to 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:02.840 pay for that. Same with you know, free buses. I 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.720 don't if you just simply have buses open to everybody 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:08.880 and you have a homeless population New York, won't the 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:09.960 homeless people just go on the bus? 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:10.840 I mean, we kind of saw that. 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:12.320 And since he with the with the street car or 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:17.520 some degree, you're talking about the largest public transpation system 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.760 in the United States, public transportation to the buses and subways. 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.640 If you're gonna make that free, that could be a problem, 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:26.400 but not as much as the rent thing, because that 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.160 will absolutely decimate it. But the problem is that these 0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.200 are lagging indicators. If you do that, now, it's gonna 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:34.000 take a while for the wheels to fall off that cart. 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.000 It's not gonna happen. Okay, he's gonna do this, and 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:37.080 it's gonna it's gonna collapse. 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:37.320 It's not. 0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.800 It's gonna take a few years. But by then that 0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:41.880 pendulum is already in motion. And how to stop it 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:43.400 and bring it back the other way. It's gonna it's 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.800 gonna cost a fortune, you know, if somebody voted for him, 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:48.120 I mean the long term. I look at this guy, 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.880 it's just it doesn't work. His models don't work. But 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.760 he's promising these grandiose things. As I said, my observation 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:58.160 is a casual political observers. He's like the anti Trump. 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.320 I mean, look at all those promises. Trump, I'm gonna 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.240 end the war on day one. Well, here we are 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.280 over a year back in and we still have the 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:07.520 Ukraine War going on. And he threw a lot of 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:09.560 stuff at the wall, and I think we all knew 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:11.760 his voters going, you know, if you could do a 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:13.960 few of these things, great, some of the bigger ones 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.000 like the terriffs and the economy and many you're gonna 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:19.160 bring manufacturing back in less than four years? Probably not, 0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:22.239 But we just want some hope, that's all. And I 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.160 think that's what Mandammi's offering. He's open and offering people hope. 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.600 You don't know, we're not thinking through going could. 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:29.040 You really do all this? Can you really end the 0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:29.680 war on day one? 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:29.880 No? 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:35.920 Well, can he offer? Can he freeze rent? There's also 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.760 a saw this too, the rent control policies there is 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:42.400 they have like a nine or ten member Rent Guidelines board. 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:44.960 He appoints those people. That's really the only thing to control. 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:46.640 That's the one I like if there's a good shot 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.480 at it, the freezing the rent. He be able to 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.680 pull that one off. But yeah, some of the other stuff, 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:53.040 the buses and the MC it's all controlled by the state, 0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:54.880 so he doesn't have a bigger hand in that. But again, 0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:57.000 it's that populous thing. I'm gonna do all this stuff 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:58.960 and you're not gonna pay for things. It's gonna be great, 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.000 it's gonna be nervana just to let me and then 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.760 you have to govern and we'll see if people don't 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:05.560 go back the other way. So you know, if you're 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:07.200 worried about this, you heard about this and you're flipping 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.160 out because Okay, that's New York City and then it's 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:10.800 going to be in Chicago, and that's going to be 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.680 in LA and that's going to come to Frisco, and 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:18.160 then it's going to come to Cincinnati. You know, I'm 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:19.840 sure you're going to see some copycats, but I'm not 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:21.720 sure this is really what's we need. 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:24.479 Less regulation is what we need. That's the problem. 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.240 Subsidy in too much government is causing everything to be 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:31.040 too damn expensive. And we also have to get back 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.040 to tying. I don't know how we do this with 0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:38.120 corporate America and you know public company, publicly traded companies 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.400 of course, and of course all the people throwing their 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:43.840 money and they had and private equity. And that is 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:47.000 GDP has to keep up with wages. There was one 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.920 time in America where GDP and wages were connected as 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.560 our gross dometic product. And that means companies in our money, 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:54.600 the workers made more money, and that hasn't been true 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:57.200 since the nineteen eighties. And now this is why we 0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:58.880 are where we are, and that's very true. How do 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:01.640 you get back to do them paying a market rate 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.440 that's fair and equitable for workers. And that's not socialism 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.560 or Marxism or anything. That's just you know, people can't 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.840 afford the product they're making or the service they're providing. 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:11.680 That is a problem for economy and it's been going 0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:13.840 down this way for a long time. And we're seeing 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:17.160 the fruits of that. And I think regulation all that 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.240 stuff that we talked about, and certainly those are supposed 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.720 to do that, and it didn't that taking all those 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:27.239 hamstrings away and all those roadblocks and obstacles is going 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.640 to make the economy hum But unfortunately we have the 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:32.400 current system that's set up that encourages more of those things. 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:34.959 Despite the fact how well we talk about getting rid 0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.200 of them. Oh, we have just as many, maybe different 0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.200 roadblocks getting where we are. One of those right now 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.560 is the government shutdown at this point where you have 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.480 Trump saying, well, and now we got to end the filibuster, 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.880 and at some point somebody's got to just go look 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:47.080 we got to figure this thing out. We've got to 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.200 get this thing done and move on and negotiate healthcare 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.800 whatever the hell it is. But again, that's just more subsidy. 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.160 No one has a solution of the healthcare crisis, and 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.200 more of the same, which is why the more desperate, 0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:58.320 the more things like that happen. That's why people are 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.920 attracted to Mandami or Trump for that matter. It's going 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.880 to be more populist kind of governance. Now, saying and 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.360 governing are two different things. So we'll see what happens. 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:09.880 But Nancy Pelosi today's smartest person in the room because 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.520 she's getting off that sink and ship she sees what's 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:14.760 coming goes. I'm done. I want no part of this. 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.280 It's over for establishment politics. Good luck with that, Good 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.560 luck with that. I'll get a news update in in 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.960 just about six seven minutes here on the Scot Sloane 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.560 Show on seven under WW. One of the big things 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.480 that came out the election, in addition to city council 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.040 here in Cincinnati staying all Democrat charter rights did not 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.000 take a bite at all out of things. And I 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.320 know maybe some men DOMI parallels to that. I'm not 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:42.160 quite sure in one of the issues. And I had 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:47.080 Sean Murphy on CPS Superintendent on yesterday's show at this time, 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.400 talking about the success they had with the levy, which 0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.480 it passed, but not only just passed, it passed overwhelmingly 0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.520 because voters I don't live in Cincinnati may not either, 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:00.440 but they see progress being made, they see things change, 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:03.040 and she made a good case for that as to 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.760 why CPS deserved the money yesterday. I give her credit 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.680 at Tarnowski's here the study in school choice, it's another 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:10.360 big issue going on. 0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:11.440 We do it in Ohio. 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:13.960 There's a problem though, because as you know, we have 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.800 school choice, but the funding has always been the issue. 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.200 You know, property taxes, and we're seeing the property taxes 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:20.920 go through the roof and that's also part of the 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.239 problems I mentioned. But school choice is starting to take 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.279 a root in America, and I think these things are 0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:27.839 related to because you look at CPS and it used 0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:29.400 to be Okay, here's your building, here's when you go. 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:31.680 And now you know, we've added Montosori centers that are 0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:35.080 bringing back up shop in schools and things like. There's 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.640 alternatives to you can stay in CPS but find the 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.239 school that's right for your child. 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.520 That's really not that wouldn't happen it wasn't for school choice. 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:43.920 I don't think. 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:45.600 I mean, it seems like we're moving that direction. But 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.240 the school choicing is, hey, we better sharpened. And again, 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:52.799 competition is what we're talking about here. Mondami doesn't want that, 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:55.719 but competition is making the public schools, like CPS public 0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.800 schools better. It's taken a long time. You're also fighting 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.120 a horrific abbsence rate and a whole bunch of other 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.960 problems that are unique to urban schools for sure. But 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:07.279 voters said, hey, you know what you're making move in 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:08.800 the right direction. I'll give you credit. We'll give you 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:10.560 some more money renew the level as a renewal on 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.400 top of it, wasn't like Lakota that was asking for 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.680 half a billion dollars. Nonetheless, school choice, we'll talk about 0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:17.880 that coming up with Ed Hearnowski next on the show, 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.280 Why it's spreading and why it's good for schools overall 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:22.520 when it comes to competition. Next on the Scotts Loan Show, 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.840 I'm the Home of the Best Bengals coverage off this week. 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:29.000 Fortunately during on offic hopefully no one gets hurt and 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:32.680 we don't lose. Can the defense give up less than 0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:36.239 one hundred yards total offense? How about one thousand yards 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:40.600 total offense in a bye week? We need a break? 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:42.839 I think we do Scott's loan seven hundred WW since 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:43.200 now do. 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:44.720 You want to be an American? 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:48.160 Slowly back on seven hundred WLW. 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:50.600 Something we do in Ohio is going into a heated 0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.960 nationwide showdown, if you want to call it that, over 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.960 whether taxpayer dollars should follow students right, portable funding, backpack funding, 0:35:58.040 --> 0:35:59.200 you want to call this, So we called it here 0:35:59.200 --> 0:35:59.760 in Ohio. 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:04.280 The concerns are about budgets, accountability, curriculum, and it seems 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.279 like school choice is becoming universal so so far now 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:11.520 six new states have added that choice nineteen overall, including 0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.000 the Buckeye State, and only two of the new programs 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:16.319 have full funding guarantees. That's a rub so here in 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.160 Ohio to bring up to speed. If you're aware of this, 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:20.040 or maybe you're Kentucky and the Inn or somewhere else, 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:24.320 we did universal school choice for K through twelve. It's 0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:27.719 sort of with near universal access. The problem is we 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.160 don't have universal funding, and that is the issue We 0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:32.560 spend over a billion dollars in private school vouchers this 0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.319 year and joining the show, he broke this down with 0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.319 the future where it's going is Ed Tarnowski. He is 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:41.320 with ED Choice, where he's a policy and advocacy director. 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:41.480 Ed. 0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:42.560 Welcome, Ario, Thanks. 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:42.839 For having me on. 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:43.719 I'm doing very well. 0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:44.239 How about you. 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:45.439 I'm doing fine. 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.000 This has been a battle in Ohio for a long 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.160 long time, I mean decades that the state Supreme Court 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:55.680 found it unconstitutional and legislature pretty much ignored this whole thing. 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:59.080 We moved to the school funding choice, where it's universal, 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:02.600 it's backpack, take your money, it's out, you're eligible, you 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:04.680 can go where you want to go. But we still 0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.120 have the funding question, which looms it's head during elections 0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.080 like we're having and where you know some areas are 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.480 are taking millage off their levees and saying, well, we're 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.719 going to replace that with a a one percent income tax. 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.440 Let's say a lot of areas are doing that now 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.960 because the funding model is broken. Is that true elsewhere 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.000 or is that because we're kind of a trend sitter 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:23.799 here in Ohio on this we're one of the first 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:25.640 states to do it, or one of a painful of full 0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:28.400 states to do it, but the funding question is the 0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:29.200 big outlier here. 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:31.920 M hm. Well, I think one of the things that 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.759 that's part Ohio's bastor programs from a lot of the 0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:37.319 other school choice starts from the country is well one. 0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:39.879 It still is about your and most states are moving 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:44.279 toward education sagess accounts, giving families more flexibility and how 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.320 funs can be fun can be spend. But since Ohio 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:50.800 has had such a long history of school choice, the 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:54.200 legists are opted for just expanding existing programs instead of 0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:56.839 creating a new one. But we were hoping to see 0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:00.839 Ohio move toward more flexible system in the future, where 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.000 you know, families con centered on things that in far 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:08.160 school tuition, like tutoring, therapies, curriculum, things of that nature. 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:12.160 When it comes to the funding, Ohios, the program that 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:17.399 has universal ability where all families can apply, still still 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:22.200 fall short on funding and it's actually tiered by my income. 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:26.040 You will get more, you will get less money for 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:30.280 vouchers the more the more income, the higher your family's 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.279 income is. And one of the reasons is so problematic 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:38.759 is because it really falls short of creating maximizing a 0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:42.160 robust martiplace of education. We want to see you know, 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.800 we're not means testing for your local district school for example, 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:49.160 NOLLA and whatever experien conversation. If you can, if your 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:50.879 kids can attend your local district school. 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:51.880 So why are we doing this? 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.600 The school choice should really be on the same footing. 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.200 It's just a way of rethinking public education. 0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:02.040 Yeah, and overall the argument has been, well, this is 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.120 public money and you're destroying public schools and you're given 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:06.920 the private enterprise who can do what? And there's no 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.200 accountability here whatsoever. But where's the accountability that's led to 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.719 the state of public schools right now? Where we're celebrating, Hey, 0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:14.680 we're now we have a D average. Now we've got 0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.600 a D on our state report card for example, and wow, 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:19.320 that's the first time we've been out of f in 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:22.000 twenty years. And we're now celebrating this and we've got momentum. 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:23.800 And then they change the standards for measuring how the 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:25.560 schools are with report cards and we do this all 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.080 over again. I think people are wise to it. I 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.840 don't understand how that destroyed. How does competition destroy anything? 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.680 Competition makes us better. That's a problem with anything where 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:36.480 there's no cop healthcare is a great example of that. 0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:40.920 Oh absolutely. And what we're seeing is school choice is 0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:45.280 introducing a whole new type of accountability into American's education 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.800 system that for so long we haven't had because you know, 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.640 the parents or kids are unsatisfied that they're not being 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.399 served properly by their school. When it comes to private 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:58.040 school choice, parents can just walk away. And if no 0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:02.400 times walk away, right, and the public school system is 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:06.440 it us parents walk away or or they're struggling, or 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.320 they're you know, the students are struggling, the school just 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:12.919 gets more funding. We're not really seeing that type of accountability. 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.320 We're just seeing more money thrown up the problem. And 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:19.319 clearly we're seeing the district school system that's not working. 0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:21.480 To look at Baltimore, for example, one of the highest 0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:25.600 funded school districts in the country at we've had years, 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.200 are not one student with proficient in reading right, And 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:30.400 that's just accept horrible. 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:32.319 Although it's a different problem, right because if you look 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.320 at the traditional typically the urban schools are the ones 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.480 that do poorly. At Tarnowski suburban schools or my kids 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.080 went to school now there's taxes are higher, obviously because 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:43.720 property taxes. With the bill, we have plenty of suburban 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.000 districts if people will flock to to send their kids to. 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.040 You know, I I don't think that's going to change 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.160 based on these models, right. It seems like this is 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:54.560 going to hurt the urban areas and maybe rural areas more. 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:57.960 Well. Yeah, and you know, I'm assided to the public 0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.719 school myself. I was lucky enough to go to a 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:04.279 good district school. But and the thing to take away 0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:07.320 here is, you know, families right out of the current system. 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.080 We do have school choice for people who can afford it. 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:13.800 You can go ahead and take your buy a house 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:17.200 in a higher performing school district. But if you can't 0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.640 afford to do that, then you're stuck in, you know, 0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:22.840 those lower performing schools. So right now we have school 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:27.120 choice in places about in places that are just relying 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.719 on the district school system. Still we have school choice 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:31.759 for the rich that people can afford to get up 0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:33.480 and move and buy a Mark Smith's house and a 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:36.880 Marksmen the neighborhood. But if you can't, you can only 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.120 go to your local district school. It is you will 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.640 really be arrested if you're trying to send your kids 0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.520 to a school in a different district outside of these 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:49.680 arbitrarily drawn lines. So right now we have school choice 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:53.040 for the rich and true school choices, you know, open competition, 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:55.799 allowing anyone to take the funding set aside for their 0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.040 kids and take it to the school that steps for them. 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.879 Yeah, it's to show all full circle. 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:03.480 We'd come back in when it was fifty four, when 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:06.520 we had the fight over segregating schools, Brown versus Board 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:08.960 of Education, where all you want to do is send 0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.160 his daughter to the school that was literally across the 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:12.920 street or down the block from whether they've instead of 0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:14.600 busing or across town because of the color of her skin. 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:18.360 And now here's twenty you know, in the everwhere we 0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:20.520 live right now, we have kind of the inverse of that. 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:22.520 It's like, well, wait, the school that's down the street 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.320 for me is terrible, it's underperforming. There's a better performing school, 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.239 you know, maybe it's a private school across I should 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.040 be able to send my kid there if I care 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:31.840 about their education. 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.720 Well, of course, And it's we talk about systemic racism. 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.080 I mean, some of these just for school lines are 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:42.439 often I mean arbitrary is run decades ago and often 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.960 now with the best intentions in mind, and yet we're 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:48.760 seeing them just send it substaunchly and often blindly without 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:51.440 thought for with the reason being, you know, this is 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:53.320 how things have been done, which I think are some 0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:56.640 of the most dangerous were in the English language. It's 0:42:56.760 --> 0:43:00.160 just it's time to rethink public education. I think that 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.640 pandemically opens to a lot of minds, and I think 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.480 what we're seeing with school choice sweep humnation is that 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.480 I think it's the most significant education reform that we've 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:15.239 seen that the civil rights movement. And that's why getting 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:18.680 these details very so important because that school choice continues 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.200 to increase and we're seeing more and more states and race. 0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:24.279 As we've talked about universal eligibility, we want to get 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.560 that funding right too, because if you know, if every 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:30.120 state can make all kids eligible, they're applying for a program, 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:33.440 but if they're not all funded, then as a truly 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:38.080 universal we really are we really maximizing the education reform 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:39.680 that we can see the change that we can see. 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:42.399 Ed Taranowski is with the ed choice and we're talking 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:45.000 about the growing number of states that are moving towards 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:47.280 school choice programs. 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:48.280 We have it here in Ohio. 0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:51.120 The problem though, of course, is we are universally eligible 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.440 to do it, but there's no universal funding and that 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.040 has been a problem in Ohio for a long time, 0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:57.040 regardless of what we're doing. We spend over a billion 0:43:57.080 --> 0:44:01.040 dollars on vouchers last year this year, and that gets 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.000 less than ten percent of residents. I think there's like 0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:06.360 a well over a million and a half students in 0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.480 the Buckeye State. What would that cost to fund that? 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:13.840 Well, I don't have the numbers on the top of 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:17.200 my head. However, what I will say is and Ohio's 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:21.840 fundy mechanism isn't necessarily one of the worst. The problem 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.719 as that I see in Ohio is that how it's 0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:27.880 you know, the funding is tiered based on income. We 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.280 want to see three university, want to see all families 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:32.640 able to access because you know, the more competition, the 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.719 more small competition for seing, the more we see improvement, 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:38.359 honest to the education system as a whole. 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.240 Yeah, we have in Ohio. It's like eight different private 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:46.759 school choice programs. That's it's pretty fragmented. Does that hurt 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:48.880 the goal of universal access? 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:50.600 Yes? 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.799 Well Ohio, Yeah, yes, we talk A lot of us 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:55.839 did a choice because One of our big projects every 0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.320 year is BBC's School Choice where we break down the 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:00.480 details of every single school choice program in the country. 0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:03.279 And Ohio is always a long one, but yeah, I 0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:06.360 mean Ohio. I think the reason they have so many programs, 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.799 one of the reasons at least is, you know, Ohia 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.359 has one of the longest histories of having school choice, 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.839 private school choice in the country. Ohio on Wisconsin were 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.719 kind of where the modern school choices was in was born. 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:23.120 Where we saw you know, regional in Wisconsin's Milwaukee, we 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:27.080 saw it in Highos, Cleveland, we saw regionally based small 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:30.560 vecher programs designed to serve love forming students of pharma 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.560 schools and low came areas. So a lot of these 0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:35.680 programs have just been around for so long. You know, 0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:39.399 I don't think it necessarily hurts, you know, if if 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.240 as long as we do continue to have those programs 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:45.000 with universalige ability, I think it's necessarily a bad thing 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:48.400 to have programs on top of that. However, you know, 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:51.880 I think it's consolidated and just have you know, universal 0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:54.799 money across the board. Get rid of that the incomes here, 0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.400 then it may not be necessary. Uh. And what we 0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:00.840 are seeing as I kind of touched upon earlier, is 0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:04.640 Ohio is a big boucher state, not an education Safety's 0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:07.239 account state yet, so one thing where it does fall 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:11.720 short quite having so many different docture programs, Ohio doesn't 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:16.560 have a robust education stavit's account program or funds can 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.000 be spent on things other than private school tuition, right, 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.200 which we are seeing in those states last year or 0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:24.680 this year. Rather we saw a ballot seventy five percent 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:28.480 involved private school choice related legislation was related to education 0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:31.720 savor's accounts. So truly we're moving towards more flexibility for parents. 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:35.040 And we have eighty eight counties in Ohio, and you know, 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.160 a couple dozen are more than a couple doesn't are 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.759 highly populated, but typically you know Ohio, we have a 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:44.160 lot of rural communities. Does this apply to them and 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.000 do they get squeezed out or result of that? 0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.600 It absolutely applies to royal communities. And there's there's a 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:52.680 couple of big reasons for that. I mean number one is, 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:56.799 you know, one thing that we're putting together and we've 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:58.760 done for some states in the Path to Dad Choices. 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.040 We call it the the roadmap, and you'll see that 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:06.799 generally speaking, people are much more closer to a private 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:10.360 school options than they realize. I say, in Georgia, for example, 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:13.080 I think it's like which has a lot of rural areas. 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.960 I think over like ninety percent of people within fifteen 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.920 to twenty minute drive of a private school, and two 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.520 even in those rural communities where they do have maybe 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:27.879 fewer options. In some other areas, the glory of choice 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:29.919 and a marketplaces of education is you're going to see 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:34.040 new education providers come up. In Arizona and Florida, for example, 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:38.439 which which have now both had true universal educational choice 0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:40.439 for some time now, and then they have a history 0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:43.439 of having school choice prior to going full universal. We've 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:48.200 seen massive increases in the number of education providers, in 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:52.640 number schools. You know, different entrepreneur entrepreneurial ideas for education, 0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:56.960 but we're seeing a record number of new education providers 0:47:57.000 --> 0:48:00.640 popping up as a result of this market of education 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:03.279 that's been formed with in a system where the money 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:05.880 is calm and the child and it's truly universal everywhere. 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:10.120 He's at Taranowski with the Edge Joys talking about school 0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:12.719 vouchers in the whole program. Ohio is one of the 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:14.719 newer states, and one of the first states to do this, 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.080 or maybe not the first, but we're kind of in 0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:19.120 the mix. But now nineteen states total are offering this, 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:21.280 and many more look like they're head in this direction. 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.759 The other aspect outside of rural communities that this is 0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:26.960 going to affect is the fact that a judge in 0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:31.160 Franklin County recently ruled that the voucher program's unconstitutional. That's 0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:32.759 the other part of the problem, and that's part of 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:37.000 the process or constitutional challenges in lawsuits. But it seems 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.279 like it's difficult to get a measure on or even 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.880 move with the universal of eligibility question as the funding 0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:45.879 mechanisms get fought and played out in court. 0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.800 Yeah, wells, as we often jokes, many dead taxes and 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:55.799 teacher unions or others doing once private school programs are 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.800 extended to pass. It's certainly not the first time that 0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:04.400 we've seen off. We continue to be be confident that 0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:08.359 school choice is legal, particularly especially at the federal level. 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:10.399 You know, the state court. This is going to play 0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:12.600 out in state courts, so it is we will see 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:16.239 how it goes, but we certainly hope that families will 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:20.240 continue to be able to access abroad this broad choice program. 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:22.480 You know, what should and what should we do relative 0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:24.560 to funding? I mean, what give me an example of 0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:25.799 where it works and how they do it, because here 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:27.839 it's it's property taxes and we have levees, and then 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:29.920 we have some areas are pulling the levies back and 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.160 we're doing income taxes, and it's just a it's an 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:34.600 un going to mitigated disasters. It's been going on since 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.560 almost as long as I've been voting no. 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:39.359 It's a great question. And I'm going to talk about 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:43.000 New Hampshire as an example because this year we were 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:46.479 considering them the star of this year's legislation school choice 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.719 legislation and when the Hampsters program does so. They had 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.400 had their program since twenty twenty one and it started 0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:55.240 with an income liment, similar to what many of Ohio's 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:58.840 programs started with. And this year they went forward and 0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:01.920 looked at an income liment, so now it has universal altibility. 0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:04.919 What said the Hamphurd part is as even talking about 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:07.920 it has one multiple of uses. You can use the 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:12.399 funds on the varying educational expenses. But the main part 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:16.080 here is that funding mechanism. The Hampshire's Education's Freedom Come 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:20.200 program ties its funding mechanism to the stage education funding formula, 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:23.839 so that money that's already set aside to educate each 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:27.640 kid follows each kid. So instead of creating a new 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:32.040 appropriation or revenue stream here, it's just it's tapping into 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.800 the funding already set that the state already sets aside 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:38.520 for people on average to educate them. So we're seeing 0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:41.480 it choice to putting on the be put on the 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:46.320 same footing as just your schools. It's just rethinking public 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:49.279 education as I mentioned, and this is really and they 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:52.800 sort of and there's no teering on income based on 0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:55.960 on how much you get you know, each each students 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:59.440 participating that gets the average for people funding it's too 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.200 after all, it is the money set aside to educate them. 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:03.960 They would not get less if they were in a 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:06.359 disious school. So it's truly putting it on the same 0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:09.120 footing as a schools. I think that's been great. Or 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:12.279 like I said, for a bus marketplace for education, you 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:17.080 get more competition and more competition because more entrepreneurship, more 0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:20.240 people coming up in new schooling models, and we send 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:22.759 more improvement on the system across the board. 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:23.120 Yeah. 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.040 Yeah, because right now. I mean, I think it's less 0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:26.800 than ten minus. I said, eight to nine percent of 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:30.600 Ohio students are participating even though they're all eligible, and 0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:32.360 I think it's going to take a while for that 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:34.160 to catch up. It's going to take a generation for 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:36.319 this to be common. But the funding thing is what's 0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.520 got to be addressed initially at Tarnowski with ed Choice, 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:41.160 Thanks again for jumping on this morning, appreciate it. 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:42.680 Thanks for having me on. 0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:46.120 Interesting how this is, you know, spreading to other states 0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:48.680 right now, the idea that hey, if public schools are failing, 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:52.480 we have an alternative. Now, yesterday I had the superintendent 0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:56.160 of CPS and Studio Sean Murphy. They're making some great improvements, 0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:58.279 and certainly not all schools and CPSS such a big 0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:01.440 urban districts, it's got problems or failed schools. The report 0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:03.720 card is still a problem, Attendance is still a big problem. 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:08.040 Right but voters overwhelmingly supported a renewal levey for CPS 0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:11.279 as a result of that, so they're obviously, you live 0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:13.360 in Cincinnati, you're satisfied with the progress. But you know, 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:14.920 if I'm not, I'm near a school where my kid 0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:16.360 would go and it's terrible, and I want to do 0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:18.879 better by them. I should be allowed to send them 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:22.160 where I want to in a better performing school. And 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:25.320 I think the school choice models actually affected public schools 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.360 that way because you have monosories and all these different 0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:30.640 types of schools or ways to teach kids that you 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:31.320 didn't have before. 0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:35.239 So competition is good. That is the bottom line. Got 0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:36.000 a news update on. 0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:38.440 The way, and then our health and fitness doctor is here, 0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:41.120 doctor Sanjay, dealing with the time change. Still, he's got 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:42.680 some ideas for you to help you out. Next on 0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:45.960 the Scots Salon show seven hunderd w Clonia, I'm seven. 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:49.480 Every Thursday morning. No, I've got a new segment here. 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:51.440 It's kind of healthy food and fitness, but not that 0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:54.800 pushy like you know, you're not allowed to eat carbs 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.000 the rest of your life kind of stuff. Sanjay Scheva 0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:00.960 Cremani's a physician in Cincinnati. Air doc also is the 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:02.800 health minded guy here on the show. So you know 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:04.560 on Thursday good time to check into it too. And 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:07.000 I know that this is the time of year especially, 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:08.839 I know some people are really struggling here at work 0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:11.000 when it comes to the time change. 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:13.279 I know, the older I get the worse it gets 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:15.040 for me, it happens to us. 0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:17.440 It's happened to me too. In the in the beginning 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:19.800 of my career, when I was working overnight shifts, I 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:21.440 could just you know, I could rip off three or 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:24.120 four in a row. And now one or two max 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:25.680 is what I can do, and I'm just a mess 0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:28.960 for another fire. Absolutely, Yeah, it's not getting any better. 0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:30.600 Why why is that? 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:32.480 I think we talked about it was sleep, So is 0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:33.600 why am I getting up at three or four in 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:34.839 the morning and just like I'm wide awake? 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:37.799 Yeah, it's it's part of that. But also it's our 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:41.200 body is tuned to be on the same cycle all 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:44.720 the time, and so you know, even an hour difference 0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:47.360 makes a huge difference to our bodies in general. So 0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:50.600 when we throw anything off at all, our hormones just 0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:53.160 go a little bit haywire and we just feel in 0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:55.920 a fog. It's like being jet lagged, essentially. But with 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:57.960 that only that one hour time difference, it makes a 0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:00.120 huge difference. All right, So how do you combat this? 0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:02.000 I mean, it's you know, here we are on Thursday already, 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:03.799 and that happened on Monday. Sunday was fine. 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:05.760 It's like a it's great, Oh yeah, that's ver asleep, awesome, 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:07.800 and then Monday hit and it's like I'm still in 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:08.800 the RUD a week later. 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.520 And that's typical. So it's like five to seven days 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.680 to get back to normal, which you'll find even when 0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:17.360 you travel internationally, the same kind of thing happened. There 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:18.840 are a couple of things we can do, but I 0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.080 still want to start with the fact that I am 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:24.440 so grateful that I did not work Saturday night this year. 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:27.720 There is nothing worse than it looking at the clock 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:30.239 at one fifty nine in the morning on overnight and 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:32.480 then waiting for the next minute and suddenly it's one 0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:32.919 in the morning. 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:35.239 You get that whole hour over again when you're working. Yeah, 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:35.880 I've done that one. 0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:38.120 Yeah. The converse is true too, you know in spring, 0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:40.399 you skip an hour, You're like, oh, I'm almost done 0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:42.680 with my shift. This this one stinks. So I was 0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:47.840 off this weekend. But a big shout out to the docks, nurses, firefighters, police, 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:51.960 even you know, industrial workers and truck drivers that were 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:54.399 out there overnight and had to put in an extra hour. 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:56.040 Yeah, I've had to work that show. 0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.320 I actually worked at the place one time where I 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:00.560 know my time and I was so college but in 0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:02.839 my time card that they showed me an hour. 0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:04.000 So like I worked the next year, ard, I know 0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:06.040 you did, Yeah I did, time went backwards. 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:07.719 I'm more I worked and actually I had to fight 0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:09.919 them on It's like it's an hour for God's sake 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:10.680 that I was working. 0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:13.840 Absolutely, Yeah, it's want to make sure your HR department 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:17.560 knows about that whole thing. It's a minor detail. But yeah, 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:20.960 to your question about how do we combat that, first, No, 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:24.160 you're not alone if you feel like trash for about 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:26.200 a week. And that's that's one of my main things 0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:29.640 always is like just acceptance of yeah, this this thinks. 0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:31.200 But there are things you can do so that One 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:33.800 of the biggest things is actually your light exposure. Okay, 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:36.560 and so you know we get we get light at 0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:38.759 a different time. Now you would just kind of want 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:41.160 to reset your body's clock. What what your body responds 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:44.200 most to is sunlight, and so trying to get sunlight 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:46.040 at the beginning of the day to say, hey, it's 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.239 time to wake up. This is the new morning time. 0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.719 And getting that light exposure is the most important step 0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:52.040 you can do. 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:54.160 Okay, just shine Okay, So it's a happy let to 0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:56.640 turn a light on when when your arm goes. 0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:57.880 Off, turning a light is decent. 0:55:58.200 --> 0:55:58.319 Uh. 0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.200 You know, looking at a screen is not great because 0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:04.040 of all the distractions, but light and turning on the 0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:06.680 light is okay. But seeing natural sunlight is what our 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:07.280 body responds. 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:09.000 You know, you live in Ohio, Kentucky, a Diana, right, 0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:10.359 you're not gonna see man. 0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:13.759 I grew up in Boston, So okay, I'll take this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:16.359 Artificial light then will be the or not Florida sun. 0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:20.480 And you'd like, I mean, right now, it's too late. 0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:22.040 I know you're supposed to ease into this, but who 0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:24.560 has time to Okay, set your clock fifteen minutes or 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:26.600 every night, and then you'll get nobody has that kind 0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:26.879 of time. 0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:28.680 Nobody has that kind of time. And I'm not even 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:30.800 sure it works that well to do it just gradually. 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:33.360 I think, you know, as long as we have to 0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:35.480 deal with daylight saving time, and we can we can 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:37.520 lean into that a little bit more and talk about it. 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:39.160 But as long as we have to deal with that, 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:41.879 you know, we're gonna have to deal with the disruptions 0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:44.600 and the bad health of consequences that come with you. 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:46.759 Yeah, and you mentioned the time shifting and things like that, 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:51.120 you know, having traveled this summer through the international dateline, 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:53.120 I don't know how people do Like all the P 0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:55.799 and G people listening and people who travel for sales 0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:56.640 get buddies. 0:56:56.360 --> 0:56:57.880 That do this, like, I don't know how they do it. 0:56:58.200 --> 0:56:58.520 I don't. 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:00.879 I don't know how you do it too. I've been 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:03.160 doing it myself for twenty two years of my life 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:06.239 with you know, shifting times all over the place with 0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:09.080 my schedule, and I still, like you mentioned, it gets 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:12.400 worse with age, and it's just getting harder and harder. 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:15.440 And you know, as far as shifting time zones is 0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:18.320 one God the higher country of three hundred million people 0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:21.840 have to change their schedules for this, minus of course Arizona, 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:25.280 who is battling this or is already they won the battle, 0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:27.600 and like the sixties, and they don't change time. 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:29.960 When everyone just do that, that seems like should we 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:31.440 get rid of this time change thing? 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:36.200 I would say yes. And so nineteen states currently are 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:38.400 battling it, and they've passed it a state level, but 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:41.680 it's going to take federal approval to make a change. 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:43.400 And so that's not that hasn't happened. 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:45.040 To Yeah, I know the farmers, well the farmers, yeah, 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.080 but they all have headlights on their gear now, so 0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:48.080 it's not like the old days. 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:50.080 It's a horse and a oh wow. 0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:52.640 So here's an interesting thing. It's not the farmers that 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:55.800 are big constituents of this whole thing. They actually are 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:59.680 anti for the most part. Farmers don't like the time change. 0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:02.360 They don't like the daylight saving time. This came from 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:06.000 kind of the industrial revolution in the in the nineteen 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:08.400 tens and nineteen forties, where it was just kind of 0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:11.120 saving energy so that lights didn't have to be on longer. 0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:16.160 Yeah, well wartime. That also during World War two, so exactly. 0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:18.600 It started in World War One, it got revamped in 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:21.760 World War Two, and we've been stuck in that ever since. Yeah, 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:24.880 and now when we're finding is it doesn't even necessarily 0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:27.720 save energy, and so the question is really why are 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:30.280 we doing this? And I'm at a loss because a habit, 0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:33.400 I think, so it's things are things are just that way. 0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:35.600 And there's Indiana where there's areas where it goes back 0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:37.360 and forth like six times. If you've ever driven to 0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:39.840 French like oh, you know, like the time changes like 0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:40.680 six times. 0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:43.040 It feels like Dan Kentucky are both kinds of saint 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:45.120 with the you know, districts, so I don't know how 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:47.320 you live in those areas or like work from home 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:49.600 and deal with people on the other side. 0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:51.840 Down and then the whole times of like people traveling. 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:53.920 As I meant, I will say that if you're listening, like, 0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:55.919 oh man, I've got a fly and there's an app 0:58:56.000 --> 0:58:58.160 I used called time Shifter, and you put your flight 0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:00.480 information in it and then actually calculates and tells you 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:02.760 okay at this time. Try to take an app stay 0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:04.880 awake here, get sunlight, take melatone in here, and it 0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:06.400 does it for like a three day period to ease 0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:08.760 you back. It was developed like a I think an 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:10.480 astronaut developed the app, and it's really cool. 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:11.040 You've used it. 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:12.840 I tried it, Yeah, what do you think? I don't know. 0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:13.440 It seemed to work. 0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:16.080 I mean I just I usually plow through and just 0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:18.400 stay up and you know, just to just a natural 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:19.880 time and try to you know, stay. 0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:21.840 I wonder I can work for my shifts. 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:24.560 Yeah, my I'll go send all over the place call 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:27.160 time shifter. I think I think I mean this, you 0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:29.240 put your flight info and it it knows what times 0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:31.320 they are. Yeah, but yeah, it's pretty cool. You might 0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:34.880 to shift a new app and you know, retire for 0:59:36.040 --> 0:59:39.040 physicians liked son Jay Shiv Carmani's here, he's our health 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:40.960 and fitness guy. We're talking about the time change and 0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:43.040 if it's still biting you, which it seems like a 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:46.240 lot of people are struggling with the time change, especially 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:47.960 this time of year. Knowing that, hey, I woke up 0:59:47.960 --> 0:59:49.920 in the sun's here, but now all of a sudden 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:51.360 five thirty, the sun's going down. 0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:52.840 It's not gone already. 0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:54.400 I'll tell he was really messed up as our dog 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:57.000 because he eats at five and now he's at four o'clock. 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.040 He's scratching at his food bowl, going its time to eat. 0:59:59.080 --> 0:59:59.840 He doesn't know this time. 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:02.120 It's not like your cat scratching at your head, which 1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:06.080 is what they typically do too. So yeah, I don't 1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:08.120 have children, but I know children are thrown off by 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:08.720 this whole thing. 1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:09.280 Uh. 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:12.480 Yeah, I'm I'm very much in the con camp as 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:14.080 far as daylight saving. 1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:16.200 Should you do you just your eating schedule with us? 1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:17.320 Should you? 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:18.000 Yes? 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:23.440 Do I personally no? But yeah, your time and and 1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:27.000 where you live and where your body knows it's time 1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:30.120 is based on light, it's based on food, is based 1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:33.400 on exercise and movement, and those are the main things. 1:00:33.440 --> 1:00:37.240 There's a cool word called zite gaber which is a timekeeper, 1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:40.400 so like an external cue something out in the outside 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:45.720 world that tells you what time it is. So some light, exercise, fooding, fooding, uh, food, 1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:49.480 the eating and food, yeah, exactly, just doing that thing. 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:52.840 But ZiT gabers are so it's a German word and 1:00:53.000 --> 1:00:56.160 it basically it says, these are the cues that tell 1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:58.920 you where you are, and so those don't change necessarily, 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:01.160 but our clocks do, so things go a little haywire. 1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:04.760 Okay, all right, makes sense, all right, So consistent sleep, schedule, 1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:05.240 all that stuff. 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:08.280 If your struggle, how long typically does this last? If 1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:10.400 you're really struggling with the time change. 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:12.400 So it'll usually be about five to seven days, but 1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:15.919 it's going to depend on you know, in general, age 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:19.040 is a big thing. How use you are to throwing 1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:22.040 off your schedule are the kind of the two main things. 1:01:22.080 --> 1:01:25.320 And then there's the whole chronotypes thing, which I don't 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:27.080 know if you've heard of it. So it's basically the 1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:31.720 time person you are. So there are larks and there 1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:35.000 are owls. Larks are the fancy name for like mourning people, 1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:37.680 and owls are the fancy word for evening. 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:40.560 Always hated ark makes sense? What's that I always hated larks. 1:01:41.280 --> 1:01:42.200 But here's what I guess. 1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:44.160 I used to be an owl and now I'm a lark. 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:47.360 Interesting. Yeah, that that can happen. And so it depends 1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:50.120 on like how your schedule builds out. But about fifty 1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:53.640 percent of what you are is based purely on genetics, 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:56.120 and then fifty percent is everything else. And so you know, 1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:58.000 if you're like, oh, man, I'm trying to be a 1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:01.360 morning person, you may not have any control over that. 1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:04.360 And so give yourself a break. If you're trying to 1:02:04.640 --> 1:02:06.480 be a type of morning person. Even if you do 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:10.320 light exercise food in the morning, you still may not 1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:12.840 be able to combat your owl self. 1:02:12.960 --> 1:02:14.760 You may just be a night person and eventually I've 1:02:14.760 --> 1:02:16.800 become a flamingo. I just stand and sleep on one foot. 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:19.160 That would be a skill. You can retire with that 1:02:19.200 --> 1:02:23.200 skill looking down for shrimp. That's what I'm doing. And 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:25.560 the problem is that we get home and I think 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:27.840 there's a depression element to it because it's like, oh, okay, 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:29.800 work days over and you go, wow, I've got thirty 1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:32.439 minutes of sunlight maybe or eventually in a couple of months, 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:33.520 we'll go to work with dark. 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:34.480 We get home and it's dark. 1:02:34.680 --> 1:02:34.880 Yeah. 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:37.560 And so depression is one of the bigger things that 1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:41.840 we see with the time change, especially moving forward. We 1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:44.880 see you mentioned it. It gets darker when we're commuting home, 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:47.680 and so there's more pedestrians struck and there's more car 1:02:47.760 --> 1:02:50.240 accidents in general because our bodies aren't used to plus 1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:54.720 we're exhausted. And then the second part is just in general, 1:02:54.800 --> 1:02:58.080 as stress goes up and everything that comes from that 1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:01.959 as well with the Russian anxiety, all of those things 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:04.960 tend to get greater. So not only is it colder 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:08.040 and darker outside, now you have a time change too, 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:10.240 where it's dark when you leave for work and it's 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:11.160 dark when you come home. 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:13.640 Yeah, and we just are also bad sleep as we 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:15.439 That was our segment last week, we talked about sleep, 1:03:15.480 --> 1:03:17.040 and this is kind of playing off that this morning 1:03:17.040 --> 1:03:20.760 with Sanja Schev CREMANI and I don't even even talked 1:03:20.760 --> 1:03:23.240 about sleep atnel last because just so many Americans are 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:24.840 affected by bad sleep it's incredible. 1:03:25.000 --> 1:03:27.240 Yeah, and it's getting worse. Did you see this, by 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:29.520 the way, the study on melatonin. 1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:32.560 I wanted to ask you about that because, as we 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:35.440 talked about, I'm a melatonin user and I probably use 1:03:35.480 --> 1:03:38.280 it more than I should. But now there's a link 1:03:38.320 --> 1:03:40.520 possibly between melatonin and heart disease. 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:43.200 Yeah, and it was actually a study on heart failure. 1:03:43.280 --> 1:03:46.200 But using the word study I think is loose, So 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:49.240 it's not great. So if you're all alarmed and you 1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:51.400 have like a stash of melatonin at home and you're 1:03:51.680 --> 1:03:54.160 you know, scared and either threw the bottle away or 1:03:54.240 --> 1:03:57.720 thinking about it, just know that the study isn't conclusive. 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:00.680 And so basically what it says is, yes, there's a link. 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:04.000 If you use melatonin, there is more heart failure. But 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:07.960 what we all oftentimes stay is science is correlation does 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:11.640 an equal causation exactly? And so you know there may 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:13.960 be something tying both of those together. What type of 1:04:14.040 --> 1:04:16.800 person uses melatonin a lot and what type of person 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:20.920 develops congestive heart failure, those two things may be linked 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:22.840 by something else. And so the thought is, if you 1:04:22.920 --> 1:04:26.680 have chronic insomnia, maybe that's what's leading to you getting 1:04:26.720 --> 1:04:29.560 melatonin and getting congestive heart failure as opposed to the 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:33.640 melatonin causing it. There's nothing out there that says it's 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:36.120 not the melatonin, but I have a feeling it's not. 1:04:36.320 --> 1:04:40.800 And the study was so it's patients that were prescribed melatonin, 1:04:41.200 --> 1:04:43.680 and so how many of us have been prescribed melatonin? 1:04:44.000 --> 1:04:47.360 Like no, exactly, So yeah, we get OTC. So you know, 1:04:47.800 --> 1:04:52.920 for this patient population, it's not it's not representative of 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:55.320 us as a whole. So I think more studies have 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:58.120 to be done. But I'm not doing anything with my melatonin. 1:04:58.200 --> 1:05:00.880 I use it maybe once or twice a week, usually 1:05:01.000 --> 1:05:04.560 like one to two milligrams max. And I'm not worried 1:05:04.560 --> 1:05:06.520 about it. I'm gonna keep using it, yeah, I think. 1:05:06.920 --> 1:05:08.840 And that's that's interesting how you point out because people 1:05:08.840 --> 1:05:10.919 here that they flip out like time on. All right, well, okay, 1:05:11.000 --> 1:05:13.440 let's look at the melatonin thing for a second. If 1:05:13.520 --> 1:05:17.240 I can't sleep, well, I'm suffering from insomnia. Okay, try melotone. Okay, 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:19.600 I'll try that. Well, I'm taking it. It may help 1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:21.440 a little bit. I fall asleep, I still wake up. 1:05:21.680 --> 1:05:24.160 Maybe it's sleep apnea and you're undiagnosed, and that we 1:05:24.320 --> 1:05:27.280 know that that leads to heart disease, heart failure, chronic 1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:31.120 heart failure, and so it's that it's not the melotone. 1:05:30.840 --> 1:05:34.200 Exactly, but bad sleep in general. So who's getting prescribed 1:05:34.240 --> 1:05:36.960 melatonin by their doctor in high enough doses that you 1:05:37.040 --> 1:05:39.160 need a prescription or in general, it's the people that 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:43.080 have received other prescriptions for sleep probably and are getting 1:05:43.120 --> 1:05:45.440 this now from their doctor to be like, oh, you know, 1:05:45.600 --> 1:05:48.480 looking for another helper. But these are the versions with 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:52.360 chronic insomnia, and like you said, observed to sleep, apnea, 1:05:52.960 --> 1:05:56.040 chronic insomnia, they're all led to they're all linked to 1:05:56.080 --> 1:05:56.600 heart disease. 1:05:57.000 --> 1:05:58.800 Yeah, that's the thing. It's gonna be a root cause. 1:05:58.800 --> 1:06:00.480 And that's where you trust your physicians too, is to 1:06:00.560 --> 1:06:02.000 get you know, and you've got to go to the doctor. 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:03.920 You should be going, especially as you get older, at 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:06.120 least once a year, get your annual physical, talk to 1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:08.240 your physician, find someone you trust and like, and have 1:06:08.360 --> 1:06:10.520 those problems sorted out, because you know, I wonder how 1:06:10.560 --> 1:06:12.520 you talk about how many people are getting an accidents 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:14.680 and dying and we're talking about sleep and the time change, 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:17.600 but so many folks are out there falling asleep behind 1:06:17.640 --> 1:06:19.680 the wheel and causing problems at work, and we talk 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:21.880 about drugs and all that, but we rather talk about sleep. 1:06:21.880 --> 1:06:23.680 And that's probably the biggest thing out there, because I'll 1:06:23.720 --> 1:06:24.160 have to sleep. 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:27.480 Yeah, exactly, And yeah you mentioned it, you know, having 1:06:27.520 --> 1:06:29.600 a good link with your doctor, but also understanding you 1:06:29.680 --> 1:06:32.120 know this this news is just breaking. We're all trying 1:06:32.160 --> 1:06:34.160 to digest it too. I mean the forums online, we're 1:06:34.160 --> 1:06:35.680 all just like, what do we do with this? Yeah, 1:06:36.400 --> 1:06:38.560 you know, you figure it out with the melatonin and 1:06:38.640 --> 1:06:41.280 you parse through it. But there's more to be learned always, 1:06:41.320 --> 1:06:44.040 and so maybe someday we'll find something. Yeah, I don't 1:06:44.080 --> 1:06:47.080 think this is anything to really change your lifestyle about, 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:49.440 but you know, I could be wrong, but I think 1:06:49.480 --> 1:06:50.200 that chance is low. 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:51.720 Yeah, you wouldn't worry a bit. It's not like at 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:53.600 the top of your righty going there's probably something else there. 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:55.800 But then I don't know what's the responsibility of reporting 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:59.080 and issuing these studies. If it scares people into a 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:01.720 false belief, that's that's not good medicine either. 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:01.760 Is it. 1:07:01.960 --> 1:07:03.800 It's it's not great medicine, but it is the way 1:07:03.840 --> 1:07:06.640 of the world, right, Like every study now gets shared 1:07:06.920 --> 1:07:09.680 and and so that's why the internet's so noisy is 1:07:09.760 --> 1:07:12.160 there's so much data out there and no one knows 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:14.080 what to do with it. But certain ones rise to 1:07:14.160 --> 1:07:17.439 the top for whatever reason, and usually it's because they're 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:21.720 alarmist and so things that have surprising results, even if 1:07:21.760 --> 1:07:26.000 they're not fully founded in in causation, et cetera, those 1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:28.160 will rise to the top because they get people worried. 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:32.440 And I mean almost every everyone I know uses melatonin, 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:35.000 and so of course that's going to be there. I mean, 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:37.200 same thing you just mentioned, talent, all, same thing. People 1:07:37.280 --> 1:07:39.800 will bring that up more because it's more it's it's 1:07:39.880 --> 1:07:42.480 more pervasive in their life and it's more relevant to them. 1:07:42.960 --> 1:07:45.360 Yeah, on the tunnel thing, I mean I probably have 1:07:46.400 --> 1:07:48.520 mild connection to that, I suppose, but it's kind of like, 1:07:49.080 --> 1:07:50.640 you know, me with a bad shoulder. It's like, well, 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:53.080 I take advil and it didn't wear my shoulder out. 1:07:53.080 --> 1:07:56.720 I'm thinking it goes my shoulder were out exactly like that. 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:58.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:00.840 All right, So with some some tips to help deal 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:02.760 with the time change, if you're still dealing with this thing, 1:08:02.760 --> 1:08:04.640 you should be able to catch up a little this weekend, though, 1:08:04.720 --> 1:08:06.840 right to get to adjust your schedule if you have 1:08:06.920 --> 1:08:07.760 a couple days off. 1:08:07.800 --> 1:08:10.400 Yeah, it's a good idea to kind of get the 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:13.840 rest and listen to your body. So, like we mentioned 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:16.240 about the chronotypes and the larks being the morning people, 1:08:16.560 --> 1:08:18.840 you'll probably wake up at five or six in the morning, 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:21.479 and that's your normal and that's cool. Owls have a 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:23.800 tougher time. They tend to wake up around nine or 1:08:23.840 --> 1:08:26.680 ten in the morning. If left without an alarm let 1:08:26.800 --> 1:08:30.400 that happen too. It's an interesting thing about circadian rhythm, 1:08:30.520 --> 1:08:34.800 So what controls our cycle through the day. People have 1:08:35.080 --> 1:08:38.400 a cycle that's not twenty four hours exactly right, and 1:08:38.560 --> 1:08:41.439 so we're always playing catch up or a little too far. 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:44.240 And it's interesting. We're between twenty three and a half 1:08:44.280 --> 1:08:46.040 and twenty four and a half hours for our rhythm, 1:08:46.400 --> 1:08:48.800 and so the weekend's a good time to catch up 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:50.519 on those half hours you're missing here and there. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:51.120 Gotcha all right? 1:08:51.200 --> 1:08:54.080 Interesting sign Jay Shiv CARMANI he's a air physician here 1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:56.600 in Cincinnati, but on the show Thursday mornings, we're a 1:08:56.680 --> 1:08:58.920 health and food and fitness collide. And thanks again, man, 1:08:58.960 --> 1:09:01.840 appreciate talk next weekppreciate it stuff Scot Flown Show after 1:09:01.960 --> 1:09:06.120 news continues coming up in just minutes here kids confronting 1:09:06.200 --> 1:09:07.960 parents about their addiction issues. We'll get into that one. 1:09:08.040 --> 1:09:09.840 Zinga Harrison, She's next on the show seven hundred de 1:09:09.840 --> 1:09:10.559 Wuti other day. 1:09:10.560 --> 1:09:12.080 Do you want to be an American? 1:09:13.360 --> 1:09:15.280 He's got flown back on seven hundred wt ol Over 1:09:15.360 --> 1:09:19.600 y Man, we got the problems. Seventeen million children and 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:23.040 seventeen million children and adolescents are living with a parent 1:09:23.120 --> 1:09:27.639 in their household who has a substance abuse problem, alcohol 1:09:27.720 --> 1:09:28.320 use disorder. 1:09:28.479 --> 1:09:29.800 The leading contributor there. 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:33.080 Number two now is cannabis, and I'd imagine that has 1:09:33.080 --> 1:09:37.000 to do with recreational cannabis being legalized. So, families, how 1:09:37.040 --> 1:09:38.720 do you identify this? Where do you go for help? 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:40.439 Because this is kind of like a to me, like 1:09:40.479 --> 1:09:43.000 an unknown error. We talk about usually it's addiction. It's 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:44.840 going to be a family member. You know, we're doing 1:09:44.880 --> 1:09:46.560 some of our kids, our sons, our daughters, you know, 1:09:46.640 --> 1:09:48.320 the whole just say no thing. But if it's like this, 1:09:48.439 --> 1:09:51.000 mom or dad, how do you navigate that? And if 1:09:51.040 --> 1:09:53.439 your mom or dad, how do you how do you 1:09:53.479 --> 1:09:53.960 get treatment? 1:09:54.000 --> 1:09:54.479 How do you do this? 1:09:54.800 --> 1:09:56.639 And Zinga Harris is a co founder and chief Medical 1:09:56.680 --> 1:09:59.240 officer at Eleanor Health here in Ohio, and that's an 1:09:59.280 --> 1:10:00.719 outpatient addiction treatment program. 1:10:00.800 --> 1:10:03.360 Welcome to the show, good morning, Thank you so much, 1:10:03.439 --> 1:10:03.920 good morning. 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:06.240 Disturbing problem here, and it's an area you really don't 1:10:06.280 --> 1:10:08.400 talk about, and that is usually it's the kids. You know, 1:10:08.439 --> 1:10:11.160 they go to school, bad influence, as they said back 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:14.559 in the day, and maybe they start experimenting with drugs 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:16.880 and alcohol and it gets to be a problem. We 1:10:17.040 --> 1:10:19.680 often don't talk about the opposite of that. That'll be 1:10:19.880 --> 1:10:23.360 mom or dad and or dad having substance abuse issues. 1:10:23.439 --> 1:10:25.160 And it's in the news from time to time where 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:27.080 kids have to be removed from a home because of that, 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:29.840 and we just shutter and shake our head and go, 1:10:30.560 --> 1:10:31.280 my god, it's that. 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:34.280 That's a horrible thing, addiction. But it really doesn't get 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:36.080 the attention it deserves, does it. 1:10:37.400 --> 1:10:38.280 It really doesn't. 1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:41.800 And so the statistics you shared, seventeen million kids are 1:10:41.840 --> 1:10:45.440 dealing with a parent at home that has a use disorder, 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:52.240 as the diagnosis that we use is even likely less, 1:10:52.960 --> 1:10:56.040 you know, it's even likely more than that, because we're 1:10:56.160 --> 1:10:59.400 such under diagnosing the condition of substance disorder. 1:10:59.479 --> 1:11:02.560 Because, like you've mentioned, the stigma and the silence that 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:03.479 we have around it. 1:11:03.840 --> 1:11:07.640 Yeah, and what the advent of recreational weed here in 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:10.240 Ohio as many other states are are we seeing an 1:11:10.280 --> 1:11:13.320 increase of that is, are the numbers increasing, are they 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:14.080 getting better? 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:14.759 Are they flat? 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:19.360 It's a bit early to tell, but the expectation is 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:22.400 that we will see an increase in individuals that have 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:27.120 cannabis use disorder. And that's just as you make something legal, 1:11:27.280 --> 1:11:30.639 then it feels safer to people. And to be honest, 1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:35.040 like marijuana certainly has medical uses, it certainly is quote 1:11:35.160 --> 1:11:39.320 less addictive than other illicit drugs we have. But when 1:11:39.439 --> 1:11:43.280 cigarettes are legal, smoking is higher. When alcohol is legal, 1:11:43.400 --> 1:11:44.960 alcohol use disorder is higher. 1:11:45.080 --> 1:11:46.759 So we expect to see that, Yeah. 1:11:46.680 --> 1:11:48.400 And I guess the same would be sure for gambling 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:50.880 or anything along those lines, where if you legalize it, 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:52.200 you're going to just going to be and which is 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:54.320 why you devote some of the money to treatment programs 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:57.200 and intervention and you can't catch them all that it's sad, 1:11:57.280 --> 1:12:01.800 but that's a different argument entirely. So as the situation develops, though, 1:12:02.439 --> 1:12:05.840 how do you, I guess if you're a kid, especially too, 1:12:06.080 --> 1:12:08.760 you think that's normal. It's one thing for an adult 1:12:08.840 --> 1:12:11.360 to go. I think my son or daughter, my middle 1:12:11.400 --> 1:12:13.680 school or my teenager. I don't want to say they do, 1:12:13.880 --> 1:12:17.120 but I've kind of noticed some weird things off putting behavior. 1:12:17.880 --> 1:12:20.320 It seems like it's almost impossible for a child an 1:12:20.320 --> 1:12:23.559 adolescent to identify this in their parents. The exact opposite 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:25.599 is impossibility to diagnose yourself. 1:12:27.000 --> 1:12:30.120 I think, actually, I'll push back on that idea Scott. 1:12:30.280 --> 1:12:33.599 So it's interesting. I have two boys now they're nineteen 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:36.960 and eighteen. But when my oldest was four years old, 1:12:37.040 --> 1:12:39.920 I went to like it was career day and all 1:12:39.960 --> 1:12:42.360 of the parents I came in and I went and 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:45.800 I spent time in every single grade pre KK, one, two, three, 1:12:45.880 --> 1:12:47.800 four or five talking to the kids. 1:12:47.880 --> 1:12:48.880 I was like, I'm a doctor. 1:12:48.960 --> 1:12:51.439 I'm a physician. I specialize on a brain. I take 1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:53.479 care of people who have addiction. I was, you know, 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:57.400 like sprinkling in a little snak. Addiction provision for the 1:12:57.479 --> 1:13:02.240 kids started at pre K. Kids knew so starting in 1:13:02.479 --> 1:13:07.000 first grade, as I was like, and here's what addiction is. Literally, 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:09.599 the first graders were like, is that when my daddy 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:12.880 hides the bottle in the trash because he doesn't want 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:16.080 mommy to see yeah, wow. And in second grade a 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:18.760 kid was like, is that like because my dad went 1:13:18.800 --> 1:13:21.000 to jail and he said he's never gonna smoke again, 1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:23.200 but then he came home and my mom caught hers smoking. 1:13:23.720 --> 1:13:29.960 So like ASA's first second elementary school, the children recognize it. 1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:33.599 But because we can't talk about it, and because it's 1:13:33.720 --> 1:13:36.240 like so scary and so dangerous to say I think 1:13:36.320 --> 1:13:40.720 I might need help that there's like and children don't 1:13:40.840 --> 1:13:43.960 raise those sorts of things to adults. That's our culture, right, 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:47.400 like that's not your place. And so the children really 1:13:47.560 --> 1:13:50.439 had eyes wide open, and I was like, oh, well, 1:13:50.520 --> 1:13:54.000 let me Yeah, I don't need to tell them how 1:13:54.040 --> 1:13:56.320 to recognize the problem. So I was like, well, now 1:13:56.520 --> 1:13:59.920 let's focus on we're not mad at mommy or dad. 1:14:01.360 --> 1:14:03.560 I guess, yeah, I guess that's maybe a way to 1:14:03.600 --> 1:14:05.200 look at it too, and singer right, is it? Like 1:14:05.320 --> 1:14:07.400 the kids noticed, but they think, all right, should I 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:09.800 say something? Is it normal behavior? Because you think that's 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:12.800 the way adults are, right, And and then you say 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:14.920 it's a prime and you go, oh, I put it together, 1:14:14.960 --> 1:14:16.920 and you know I just had Honestly, you made the 1:14:16.960 --> 1:14:18.040 hair in the back of my next day and up 1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:21.160 something I have not thought about in I can't remember 1:14:21.240 --> 1:14:25.679 when growing up as a kid, my maternal grandfather and grandma, 1:14:26.160 --> 1:14:27.840 i'd go, you know, go visit them. They lived maybe 1:14:27.880 --> 1:14:31.320 a mile from us, and I remember my grandmother yelling 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:33.519 at him, my grandfather, and he would and I had 1:14:33.560 --> 1:14:35.040 I thought it was kind of funny at the time, 1:14:35.160 --> 1:14:37.200 Like he'd hide bottles in the trash in the trunk 1:14:37.240 --> 1:14:39.439 of the car and he had I remember him like 1:14:39.720 --> 1:14:42.920 now that as an adult, he'd like get gasoline on 1:14:43.000 --> 1:14:45.400 the rag and he sniffed a Huffett when he was driving. 1:14:45.439 --> 1:14:47.719 I mean, he he had some and he was driving 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:49.840 us around and I remember him getting yelled at by 1:14:49.880 --> 1:14:51.640 my grandmother and like at the time, you think, why 1:14:51.640 --> 1:14:53.680 are they fighting? What's what's going on? You know it's 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:56.640 not right, but you can't qualify it. And now that 1:14:56.760 --> 1:14:58.960 you said that, I haven't thought of that in decade. Well, 1:14:59.000 --> 1:15:01.120 you're really good that It's a really really good therapy 1:15:01.200 --> 1:15:01.400 for me. 1:15:01.479 --> 1:15:01.760 Thank you. 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:04.719 I'm here for you, Scott. 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:07.000 What's my cope on this? By the way, is there. 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:10.280 So? 1:15:10.400 --> 1:15:10.599 Yeah? 1:15:10.600 --> 1:15:11.720 I mean it happened to me and I was a 1:15:11.760 --> 1:15:14.559 little I couldn't have been I don't know kindergarten, first grade, 1:15:14.600 --> 1:15:17.760 and I kind of remember that stuff. But yeah, you're 1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:19.639 you know, kids are they're a sponge, but I don't 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:21.960 just don't know if they identified until an adult says, hey, 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:25.240 you know, substance abuse, and are we doing a better 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:26.760 job of that in your I mean, you did that 1:15:26.800 --> 1:15:28.840 in Career Day, But is that something that's coming up 1:15:28.920 --> 1:15:32.799 in school that kids are you know, being taught to identify. 1:15:33.280 --> 1:15:35.200 I can imagine that that is a slippery slope that 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:37.800 we don't want our kids turning into little detectives and 1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:38.719 cops and narcs. 1:15:38.800 --> 1:15:41.240 But are we teaching that in school? 1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:42.959 Certainly? 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:45.400 So you know, there used to be the program in 1:15:45.479 --> 1:15:48.240 schools that are still in some schools that actually demonstrated 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:52.519 to be can be dangerous. So I'd just say no, 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:55.880 approach doesn't equip kids with the information that they need. 1:15:57.000 --> 1:15:59.559 And so some high school the answer to your question this. 1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:04.120 Belt thematically, we are not doing affective drug education and 1:16:04.240 --> 1:16:06.200 prevention in school. Certainly. 1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:08.959 When I did Career Day in elementary school, the principal 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:10.920 had no idea that's what I would be doing. 1:16:11.160 --> 1:16:13.200 That's nothing like I'm a doctor. 1:16:13.280 --> 1:16:14.840 I'll be happy to come talk to kid. 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:19.960 Yeah, but as my kids went to middle school and 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:23.720 high school, I stuck myself into their schools that way 1:16:23.840 --> 1:16:24.320 every time. 1:16:24.479 --> 1:16:26.920 And in high school the. 1:16:27.000 --> 1:16:33.080 Convocation that I did one was voluntary and packed out 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:37.720 the auditorium. So high school kids chose to come. They 1:16:37.800 --> 1:16:40.760 had to request to sign out seat from class to come. 1:16:41.040 --> 1:16:43.760 They requested, they come, came to learn about this, and 1:16:43.880 --> 1:16:46.519 I taught them about craft the R A s F T, 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:49.080 which is an adolescent stuff that use to water scream, 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:52.840 And I was like, apply this to either yourself or 1:16:52.960 --> 1:16:55.280 someone in your life that you might be worried about. 1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:59.519 And if you're worried, you're right. And here's how you 1:16:59.640 --> 1:17:04.000 can get help. Here's an online resource. Here's eleanorhealth dot com. 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:06.320 If we're in your state, like we are in Ohio, 1:17:06.880 --> 1:17:10.160 here's a team, you know, support group where you can 1:17:10.240 --> 1:17:12.640 talk to other people. Here's how to raise the conversation 1:17:12.800 --> 1:17:15.519 with your parents. Those are the skills that we need 1:17:15.640 --> 1:17:19.000 to be equipping young people with, is how to have 1:17:19.200 --> 1:17:19.920 the conversation. 1:17:20.479 --> 1:17:22.719 That's stuff we really want to turn the times. 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:25.920 Imagine, yeah, and and take me through that. 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:27.640 If you're a kid, and not that I have a 1:17:27.680 --> 1:17:30.760 lot of kids listening, but you know, I think if 1:17:30.760 --> 1:17:33.360 you're pro, I think the approach happens when they're not 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:36.240 in a moment where they're engaging in that behavior and 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:38.040 doing the addiction is you want. 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:40.600 To wait until they're sober. And but but how do 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:42.200 you wordy that? How do you approach your mom or 1:17:42.320 --> 1:17:45.320 dad and saying hey, I think you have a problem. 1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:49.320 Yeah, that's exactly right. So Scott, I'm going to do 1:17:49.400 --> 1:17:52.840 a shameless plug for my book here. It's called an 1:17:52.920 --> 1:17:55.840 Addictioned six to mind Changing Conversations that could Save a. 1:17:55.880 --> 1:17:57.960 Life, available online and storace everywhere. 1:17:58.439 --> 1:18:01.000 And I did that plug because this is exactly what's 1:18:01.040 --> 1:18:03.200 in the book. Is like teaching people how to have 1:18:03.320 --> 1:18:04.479 the conversation. 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:05.400 With your child. 1:18:05.840 --> 1:18:09.639 There are scripts from preschool all the way to adult child, 1:18:10.040 --> 1:18:12.599 with yourself, with a friend you care about, with a colleague, 1:18:12.640 --> 1:18:15.960 et cetera. And the approach is always the same, which is, 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:19.800 I'm worried about you, and so what we've done with 1:18:19.960 --> 1:18:23.080 substance you supporders. And this is our central premise at 1:18:23.120 --> 1:18:23.840 Eleanor Health. 1:18:24.040 --> 1:18:26.000 Also so at Eleanor. 1:18:25.720 --> 1:18:28.639 Health where I'm the chief medical officer, we take care 1:18:28.720 --> 1:18:32.040 of people who have addiction and wrap their families in 1:18:32.120 --> 1:18:36.240 that process as well. The approach to addiction has been punitive. 1:18:37.200 --> 1:18:41.519 So either pretend it doesn't exist, or criminalize people, or 1:18:41.800 --> 1:18:46.120 vilify and punish them for having this really devastating illness 1:18:46.200 --> 1:18:49.120 that makes people suffer and makes the person who has 1:18:49.200 --> 1:18:51.400 this suffer and makes their family suffer. It makes the 1:18:51.560 --> 1:18:55.160 children that we're talking about suffer. And so the first 1:18:55.240 --> 1:18:59.720 approach is always I am worried about you, and I 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:02.680 think you might have this illness, right, And this is 1:19:02.800 --> 1:19:05.720 what I'm seeing that makes me think you might have 1:19:05.880 --> 1:19:08.599 this illness, And I want you to know I'm here 1:19:08.720 --> 1:19:13.439 to join forces with you against this illness, right, Because 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:15.360 usually our approaches. 1:19:15.000 --> 1:19:16.360 Like what are you doing? 1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:20.439 Like your grandmother was yelling at your grandfather? My grandmother 1:19:20.880 --> 1:19:22.640 had really severe alcoholism. 1:19:22.800 --> 1:19:24.360 Everybody was yelling at her. 1:19:24.800 --> 1:19:27.720 Right, And it's like they're already suffering. So how do 1:19:27.800 --> 1:19:31.800 we approach with compassion and say we see you suffering. No, 1:19:31.960 --> 1:19:35.720 it's an illness. It is also making us suffer, So 1:19:35.960 --> 1:19:38.439 how do we join forces to get you from help? 1:19:38.920 --> 1:19:40.840 And that's and that's a remarkable to look at rather 1:19:40.880 --> 1:19:43.200 than the yell, because you know, if you're engaging in 1:19:43.280 --> 1:19:46.120 the destructive behavior and you feel like you're getting attacked, 1:19:46.760 --> 1:19:48.280 you're going to go in to shell and probably do 1:19:48.400 --> 1:19:50.680 more of that destructive behavior. But it's I think it's 1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:53.599 human nature to lash out at that moment when they're low, 1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:56.479 as opposed to fighting your tongue and waiting until they're 1:19:56.560 --> 1:19:59.920 more I guess, approachable and have there what's about them 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:02.160 when they're sober and saying, hey, listen, I'm not going 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:05.759 to attack you. Is like I'm just I feel worried 1:20:05.840 --> 1:20:08.680 when you know you're drinking or smoking or whatever it is. 1:20:09.560 --> 1:20:11.439 And how do we you know, how do we work 1:20:11.479 --> 1:20:11.760 through this? 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:12.080 Do you? 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:15.880 And it's really now because you could absolutely push that 1:20:15.960 --> 1:20:17.880 person away too, which is the last thing you want, right. 1:20:18.800 --> 1:20:19.240 That's right? 1:20:19.520 --> 1:20:21.680 And I mean I really like what you said. It's 1:20:21.800 --> 1:20:25.519 human nature because we have to remember this addiction is 1:20:25.640 --> 1:20:28.760 not just making the person who suffer, who has the 1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:32.519 addiction suffer. You're also suffering, right, So, like you're in 1:20:32.640 --> 1:20:35.559 pain and you're scared, and you're sad and you're angry, 1:20:35.960 --> 1:20:39.880 and it's human nature to laugh out at that time. Unfortunately, 1:20:40.120 --> 1:20:43.200 human nature doesn't serve us well in this moment. And 1:20:43.320 --> 1:20:46.120 so I know it's not an easy ask that I'm 1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:49.960 making which is like calm down, cowcatin until there's a 1:20:50.040 --> 1:20:52.720 calm moment, bring it up in the one moment when 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:54.720 things are going well and you feel like I hate 1:20:54.760 --> 1:20:57.400 to ruin this moment. And so this is why we 1:20:57.560 --> 1:20:59.720 always say, like, get support. 1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:00.400 And place for you yourself. 1:21:00.520 --> 1:21:04.400 Also, even if your person is not going to treatment, 1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:07.960 get support in place for yourself, because this illness is 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:09.400 also making use. 1:21:09.280 --> 1:21:11.840 Of Nazeca Harrison is here. She's co founder or chief 1:21:11.880 --> 1:21:14.759 medical officer at Eleanor Health. They do outpatient addiction treatment 1:21:14.840 --> 1:21:18.120 PROGRAMM here in Ohio, and talking about this. It's not 1:21:18.240 --> 1:21:21.479 often talked about, but there's something like seventeen million children 1:21:21.560 --> 1:21:25.120 and therefore tens of thousands in our listening area right 1:21:25.160 --> 1:21:27.760 now listening where children ado lessons are living with a 1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:29.960 parent who has a substance abuse problem. Normally we think 1:21:29.960 --> 1:21:31.519 it was, hey, my kid goes to school and they 1:21:31.560 --> 1:21:33.439 getting on with the wrong crowd and they become drug 1:21:33.439 --> 1:21:36.280 addicts or something happens in their life, and now I've 1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:38.519 got to get help for my kid. And it's just 1:21:38.600 --> 1:21:40.479 as common to have it the other way, where it's 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:42.960 a parent or a loved one that's doing this and 1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:45.960 the child recognizes the behavior, How do you get that 1:21:46.120 --> 1:21:48.160 person the help that they need. I think it's easier 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:50.920 from the parental role for a child to intervene, But 1:21:51.560 --> 1:21:54.840 a child intervening on the half of adult seems really 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:57.639 really hard for them to do and overwhelming. So when 1:21:57.720 --> 1:22:01.240 this thing escalates, and thing it into a safety situation, 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:04.599 a dangerous situation that escalates, that changes a whole bunch 1:22:04.640 --> 1:22:08.000 of stuff, because that kind of behavior doesn't always happen 1:22:08.040 --> 1:22:11.360 that way, but as the addiction becomes more and more serious, 1:22:11.600 --> 1:22:16.000 it does because that person chooses the drug over the family, 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:17.600 over the kid, over the What do you do in 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:19.080 a situation where it becomes dangerous? 1:22:19.560 --> 1:22:20.600 How does a kid prepare for that? 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:25.320 It's so difficult, And I hate to put the responsibility 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:27.960 on the kid, right, I know, right, that's so bad. 1:22:28.080 --> 1:22:30.160 I know, it's so tricky. It's so tricky. This is 1:22:30.240 --> 1:22:33.200 where other adults in that south life have to take 1:22:33.240 --> 1:22:36.160 on some responsibility. So I ask people to think of 1:22:36.240 --> 1:22:38.519 it the same way you think about any other crivent 1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:41.040 illness that is riting through their home. So say a 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:43.760 parent has a heart attack, or has a stroke, or 1:22:43.800 --> 1:22:47.160 has a seizure disorder, develop cancer, You hope there are 1:22:47.240 --> 1:22:49.680 other adults in that south life that can be there 1:22:49.720 --> 1:22:52.840 as a courss before and one of the things we 1:22:53.040 --> 1:22:56.759 do human nature with all illnesses, but especially with addiction, 1:22:57.000 --> 1:23:00.760 is like not recognize it until it's severe. And so 1:23:01.240 --> 1:23:04.360 if we can teach kids to recognize kind of the 1:23:04.479 --> 1:23:08.880 signs before the safety it meant happens and have a 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:12.280 plan in place, so if at any point you feel unsafe, 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:15.040 this is who you call, whether that's nine one one, 1:23:15.160 --> 1:23:18.240 whether that's a trusted adult, whether that's you tell someone 1:23:18.320 --> 1:23:20.760 at school, whether that's a friend's house. This is who 1:23:20.840 --> 1:23:23.360 you call, This is where you go, this is. 1:23:23.400 --> 1:23:23.960 What you say. 1:23:24.360 --> 1:23:27.200 Having that plan laid out, this is who you text 1:23:27.360 --> 1:23:30.680 in twenty twenty five right, having that plan laid out 1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:34.080 in at van so the child is not having to 1:23:34.240 --> 1:23:37.280 figure that out in the midst of a crisis. It's 1:23:37.320 --> 1:23:40.920 the same reason we have airplane pilots, these simulations our crashes. 1:23:41.280 --> 1:23:44.320 Is why race car drivers practice on the track so 1:23:44.439 --> 1:23:47.200 that in the moment you don't have to figure it out. 1:23:47.280 --> 1:23:52.360 But Scott, what that takes is acknowledging we see that 1:23:52.600 --> 1:23:57.680 your parent has this illness, and we're acknowledging that we 1:23:57.840 --> 1:23:59.679 need to put a safety plan in place. 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:03.880 Yeah, yeah, and so it's so sickening and horrifying to 1:24:03.960 --> 1:24:05.680 even have to talk about that right now with you 1:24:05.800 --> 1:24:08.679 and Zinga. Do we have And by the way, speaking 1:24:08.720 --> 1:24:10.800 of treatment, I know that that you guys at the 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:14.759 Eleanor here in Ohio, that it's an outpatient edition treatment program. 1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:17.640 There's you guys doing it, and of course we have 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:19.720 the Linder Center here and a bunch of it. But 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:22.360 are there enough badgs, are enough facilities to treat this 1:24:22.680 --> 1:24:23.120 in Ohio? 1:24:24.920 --> 1:24:29.120 No, there is a definite lack of treatment access in Ohio, 1:24:31.080 --> 1:24:33.200 even though they're, like you said, tons of folks that 1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:38.320 are doing great work. And that's really why we found 1:24:38.360 --> 1:24:40.960 at Eleanor Health. It is because of this lack of access. 1:24:41.600 --> 1:24:45.240 And we specifically we're in eight different states, and we 1:24:45.560 --> 1:24:50.840 specifically chose Ohio because of the high rate of addiction and. 1:24:51.000 --> 1:24:52.960 The low access to care. 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:53.320 Wow. 1:24:53.880 --> 1:24:56.200 And so one of the things that we do that's 1:24:56.240 --> 1:24:57.840 really differently we don't have that. 1:24:58.160 --> 1:25:02.040 We're outpatients and so you you stay, you're able to 1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:03.840 go to work, you're able to be at home with 1:25:04.000 --> 1:25:07.160 your family. And we also serve the entire state of 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:11.040 Ohio virtually, and so we have many people who go 1:25:11.200 --> 1:25:13.559 to work and then connect to us on their lunch 1:25:13.600 --> 1:25:17.040 break or connect to us before work or they're at home. 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:20.200 It gives us access to be able to support the family. 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:22.760 It makes you not have to leave for a month 1:25:22.880 --> 1:25:25.519 and not have wages to be in salary to be 1:25:25.600 --> 1:25:29.840 able to support your family. And so it's a full 1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:33.360 model that really starts with compassion and expertise in this 1:25:33.520 --> 1:25:37.960 illness of addiction and is empowering people to understand how 1:25:38.040 --> 1:25:38.960 to live their lives. 1:25:39.040 --> 1:25:41.280 Well, yes, I guess you too, as long as you 1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:44.400 catch it earlier, right, because the longer you're in you're 1:25:44.439 --> 1:25:46.600 going to need inpatient where you're you know, doing like 1:25:46.680 --> 1:25:48.479 a thirty day forty day plan or something like that. 1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:51.280 Whereas if you catch us early enough, you can do 1:25:51.960 --> 1:25:56.080 as you mentioned, you know, virtual sessions and outpatient treatment 1:25:56.240 --> 1:25:57.360 and get your mind. 1:25:57.400 --> 1:25:58.760 But you got to do it. You got to do 1:25:58.800 --> 1:26:02.000 it now again and singing Harrison, thanks, yeah, go ahead. 1:26:02.240 --> 1:26:04.479 I just wanted to say, make it, make it a sandwich. 1:26:04.560 --> 1:26:07.320 So people also take thirty days and in your cures. 1:26:07.760 --> 1:26:11.240 I want people to understand addiction like diabetes. So sometimes 1:26:11.280 --> 1:26:14.280 your diabetes takes you to the hospital. That's a thirty 1:26:14.360 --> 1:26:18.320 day residential disorder. So when you get out of the hospital, 1:26:18.640 --> 1:26:20.800 your treatment of diabetes is not over. 1:26:21.040 --> 1:26:22.719 You need a long term partner. 1:26:23.160 --> 1:26:26.320 Eleanor Health is that long term partner early before you 1:26:26.439 --> 1:26:30.360 need the hospital. And also, i'm sorry, a hospital residential, 1:26:30.479 --> 1:26:33.479 but also long term after you get out of hospital 1:26:33.560 --> 1:26:36.200 or residential. Sure to keep the illness intermission. 1:26:36.280 --> 1:26:38.840 It's the medicine basically, and Singer Harrison, co founder in 1:26:38.920 --> 1:26:41.479 chief medical office at Eleanor Health. They do Outfai didiction 1:26:41.560 --> 1:26:43.920 treatment program in Ohio virtually too as well. She has 1:26:43.920 --> 1:26:45.640 a book called An Addiction Too, by the way, that 1:26:45.640 --> 1:26:47.439 I just learned about. So and said all the best. 1:26:47.560 --> 1:26:49.800 I hope to maybe we'll talk again in the future. 1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:51.280 But thanks again for jumping on the show. 1:26:51.400 --> 1:26:54.000 Thank you so much, Scott. You're saving lives with this show. 1:26:54.320 --> 1:26:55.200 Really appreciated. 1:26:55.479 --> 1:26:56.040 Oh you're sweet. 1:26:56.080 --> 1:26:56.280 Thank you. 1:26:56.360 --> 1:26:57.680 Glad to help. It's a small part. 1:26:58.200 --> 1:26:59.880 We got a news update. We'll get to that in 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:02.320 just about four minutes here on this Thursday morning. Scott's 1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:04.360 Sloan Show continues on seven hundred WLW. 1:27:06.720 --> 1:27:07.320 The bells. 1:27:08.400 --> 1:27:09.439 Do you hear the bells? 1:27:09.800 --> 1:27:11.200 It could only mean one thing. 1:27:11.960 --> 1:27:13.240 It's real estate time. 1:27:13.520 --> 1:27:18.280 With Michelle Sloane Remax, time agent and proprietor of sloan 1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:23.559 Sellshomes dot Com. Heed her words or face her wrath 1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:26.640 on seven hundred Wlwige. 1:27:27.439 --> 1:27:30.680 Well, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood? 1:27:30.800 --> 1:27:33.320 Is that it is? 1:27:34.280 --> 1:27:38.160 I was talking to our health and fitness doctor Sanjay 1:27:38.320 --> 1:27:40.720 earlier in the show, and we're talking about the sleep thing, 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:43.240 and I brought up the story that our dog does 1:27:43.320 --> 1:27:45.640 not have a watch apparently, and he normally has a 1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:48.040 five And I'll be damn that dog knows exactly when 1:27:48.080 --> 1:27:50.439 it's five o'clock, like sometimes a little early, sometimes a 1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:52.840 couple of minutes after, but within about a ten minute 1:27:52.880 --> 1:27:55.120 window at the top of the hour, right around between 1:27:55.200 --> 1:27:57.880 four fifty and five ten, I'll be damned if he's 1:27:57.920 --> 1:27:59.960 not poking at as food bowl, dragging around the kitch, 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:02.519 go on, it's time eight, let's go. And now he's 1:28:02.560 --> 1:28:04.880 doing that at four o'clock because he doesn't know the 1:28:04.960 --> 1:28:07.800 time changed. And I was asking, how exactly do you 1:28:07.840 --> 1:28:12.599 adjust the food schedule? But dogs Lug's rhythm were me off. 1:28:12.680 --> 1:28:15.200 It's like he gets all pissed off because he's not 1:28:15.240 --> 1:28:16.479 getting his food at the right time. 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:18.880 I don't know you were mad at me last night 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:20.720 because I went to bed at eight thirty. I said, 1:28:20.800 --> 1:28:22.320 it's I'm tired. 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:25.280 I don't care. You gotta plow through it. Woman, come on, no. 1:28:26.840 --> 1:28:28.960 Eight thirty and she's in bed. I'm like, is this 1:28:29.120 --> 1:28:32.560 what it's come to? I'm not sleeping, And then the 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:34.479 lights went off. Are you you're going to bed? 1:28:34.600 --> 1:28:34.640 No? 1:28:34.840 --> 1:28:38.120 No, no, I'm just I'm just laying here. Eyes are open, yeah, 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:41.559 I my eyes are open underneath my eyelids. 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:43.479 But you'll still sleep till seven thirty. 1:28:43.600 --> 1:28:46.160 So I don't understand how I was up this morning 1:28:46.240 --> 1:28:49.200 at six. Okay, I was up when you were up 1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:49.799 this morning. 1:28:50.120 --> 1:28:51.720 I actually was up in the middle of the night 1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:54.400 because then, you know, I think I fell asleep for 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:55.840 about an hour and then I woke up. 1:28:56.040 --> 1:28:58.320 It almost took a pre sleep nap. 1:28:58.920 --> 1:29:02.599 Yes, I haven't done one of those for a while, 1:29:02.720 --> 1:29:06.519 but this it felt like it was so late last night. 1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:09.000 Just now when it gets clided me this weekend with 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:10.599 the rain coming in and stuff like that, and it's 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:12.920 going to get cold, so yeah, that's what we're going 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:15.080 to wind up doing. Sometimes, you know, spend time in 1:29:15.120 --> 1:29:17.320 the house and nest a little bit I got, you know, 1:29:17.520 --> 1:29:19.960 from moving in August. We still have tons of boxes 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:21.960 of stuff to put away, which I'll probably start cracking 1:29:22.000 --> 1:29:24.240 on this weekend because you know, a little less football 1:29:24.320 --> 1:29:26.760 this weekend for sure with the buys. So I feel 1:29:26.760 --> 1:29:29.680 I want to be productive this weekend. And also it's 1:29:30.280 --> 1:29:32.439 some people this time of years, like I am inside anyway, 1:29:32.439 --> 1:29:34.120 I might as well do a little home improvement type 1:29:34.160 --> 1:29:37.559 of projects and stuff. That leads us in today's topic, Well, 1:29:37.640 --> 1:29:42.320 it's called fixer upper regret. What to know before taking 1:29:42.439 --> 1:29:45.800 on a major renovation. And you know, we have taken 1:29:45.880 --> 1:29:50.000 on so many major renovations in our homes over the years, 1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:53.040 over the course of the last thirty years, and it 1:29:53.880 --> 1:29:58.320 inevitably one thing leads to another, leads to another, leads 1:29:58.400 --> 1:29:58.840 to another. 1:29:59.040 --> 1:30:02.840 So it's not just let's paint the bathroom or something. 1:30:02.960 --> 1:30:05.679 It's like, oh, let's rip out the cabinetry and let's 1:30:05.720 --> 1:30:07.960 put new and let's move this, and let's do that. 1:30:08.640 --> 1:30:11.519 So you know, if it's be as something or anything 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:16.280 beyond just cosmetic, you really have to know what the 1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:20.360 heck you're getting into because it can't add up financially 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:21.960 really really quickly. 1:30:22.240 --> 1:30:24.439 I will say that the two biggest one. 1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:29.200 The number one biggest one would be a kitchen remodel, 1:30:29.600 --> 1:30:32.040 having done that before myself, and you know, cabinets and 1:30:32.040 --> 1:30:34.200 all that, and it takes a while, especially if you're 1:30:34.200 --> 1:30:36.479 doing it, you know, after work between things. It dragged 1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:38.760 because you know, the microwave goes another room and you're 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:40.600 eating out a lot and it's like, okay, when can 1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:42.400 I get my kitchen back and get all the cabinets 1:30:42.439 --> 1:30:44.840 and all that stuff. That takes a while. And the 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:47.559 other one would be a bathrooms. Now, if you have houses, 1:30:47.720 --> 1:30:49.599 a lot of houses too have multiple bathrooms, you're good. 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:51.720 But if you have one bathroom and you're remodeling it, 1:30:51.800 --> 1:30:54.920 that's a huge problem. So those two rooms right there, 1:30:54.920 --> 1:30:56.680 you've got to come up with an alternative. And I 1:30:56.680 --> 1:30:58.200 don't know if you call rumpkey and get a porta 1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:00.720 potty out back, but now you're doing that, so and 1:31:00.760 --> 1:31:04.479 where you're going to shower and bathe. That's yeah, I think, 1:31:04.560 --> 1:31:06.120 which is why a lot of these companies are the 1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:08.439 other one day kitchens, the one day bathrooms. That's why, 1:31:08.600 --> 1:31:11.280 because man, you with one of those two rooms or 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:13.760 both those rooms out, you know, you may want to 1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:15.760 think about getting a hotel while that's getting. 1:31:15.520 --> 1:31:18.840 Done, absolutely, So you do have to look at the scope. 1:31:18.840 --> 1:31:21.280 If you're going to hire it done, it will probably 1:31:21.360 --> 1:31:23.400 get done quicker. If you're going to try to do 1:31:23.479 --> 1:31:27.800 it yourself. No, if know your role, as you will say, 1:31:29.000 --> 1:31:31.760 know what you are capable of, because I've seen so 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:34.720 many projects and I know a lot of my contractor 1:31:34.760 --> 1:31:39.040 friends have said, yeah, my DIY owner tried to get 1:31:39.240 --> 1:31:42.240 this done himself and now it's costing him double or 1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:45.640 triple because of the way it wasn't done correctly. So 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:49.040 you really want to ask yourself why why are you renovating? 1:31:49.240 --> 1:31:53.439 Is it for comfort? Is resale value? Functionality? As we 1:31:53.520 --> 1:31:56.320 get older, you know you need to put in maybe 1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:58.640 some don't. You may even need to put in some 1:31:58.880 --> 1:32:02.240 ramps for the older appearance or something like that. So 1:32:02.760 --> 1:32:05.200 what kind of project are you doing, what kind of 1:32:05.320 --> 1:32:06.960 satisfaction are you looking for? 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:09.800 And then what kind of a budget do you have? 1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:12.440 So setting a realistic budget. 1:32:12.160 --> 1:32:16.240 Budget always add what did they say twenty percent to 1:32:16.360 --> 1:32:21.400 at budget right, because homeowners often underestimate the total cost 1:32:21.520 --> 1:32:26.080 by between fifteen and thirty percent, So you always want 1:32:26.120 --> 1:32:28.840 to make sure and be careful. And I know that 1:32:28.960 --> 1:32:32.240 people have done this too, maxing out your home equity 1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:33.519 or your credit cards. 1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:34.880 You're like, oh, just. 1:32:34.920 --> 1:32:36.960 One more thing, Oh just one more thing, or I 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:39.479 need it, I need it to be perfect. I want 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:42.840 the most expensive light fixtures, and I want the most 1:32:42.960 --> 1:32:47.040 expensive polls and on these cabinets. And you know, there 1:32:47.200 --> 1:32:51.000 is a point where you could over improve your property. 1:32:51.840 --> 1:32:54.479 And when you overimprove, that just means that you are 1:32:55.439 --> 1:32:57.920 spending more money. Then you're going to be able to 1:32:58.000 --> 1:33:00.519 get back on that property, and that you know that 1:33:00.760 --> 1:33:02.680 if you're okay and you're going to be living there, 1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:04.320 you're going to be enjoying it. 1:33:04.640 --> 1:33:04.800 You know. 1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:06.240 That's the same thing with like, if you're going to 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:08.200 put a pool in your backyard and you're going to 1:33:08.400 --> 1:33:12.479 enjoy it, it's going to cost some money, but if 1:33:12.520 --> 1:33:14.639 you're going to enjoy it, and then you may take 1:33:14.680 --> 1:33:16.680 a hit on resale, you're not going to get one 1:33:16.760 --> 1:33:20.520 hundred percent back on a lot of your major renovations. 1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:22.840 So if you're going to be putting in a new 1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:26.479 kitchen and new cabinets and new flooring and new counters 1:33:26.520 --> 1:33:29.000 and all that stuff, you're spending one hundred thousand dollars 1:33:29.080 --> 1:33:31.160 on your kitchen, but you live in a three hundred 1:33:31.200 --> 1:33:36.160 thousand dollars home. That's something you really really need to 1:33:36.960 --> 1:33:37.679 scale back there. 1:33:38.160 --> 1:33:40.080 At that point, it's like, well, maybe i'd be looking 1:33:40.120 --> 1:33:43.040 at a new house as opposed to remodeling spending that 1:33:43.160 --> 1:33:45.000 kind of money the value of the house I'm going 1:33:45.040 --> 1:33:46.640 to put just in the kitchen now, grant, I'm sure 1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:50.080 it's going to be a spectacular kitchen. And the other thing, too, 1:33:50.240 --> 1:33:52.439 is you tend to not stick with the plan because 1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:56.360 you see things and like, especially if you're indecisive, contractors 1:33:56.840 --> 1:33:58.479 up to a certain point, love them and then after 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:00.560 a certain point hate them. Are called change order. So 1:34:00.880 --> 1:34:02.800 when you have a change order, that adds a lot 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:05.000 more cost to the job than if it were factored 1:34:05.040 --> 1:34:06.960 in the first place, because you're already in the process 1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:08.920 of doing things and you go, okay, well what if 1:34:08.960 --> 1:34:11.840 we actually made this a I was thinking to make 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:14.320 this a pantry in the kitchen instead of you know, 1:34:14.400 --> 1:34:15.720 it's just going to cost you more money, and you 1:34:15.800 --> 1:34:18.679 can you can drive your contractor crazy without those change orders. 1:34:18.880 --> 1:34:21.479 You are to drive yourself poor by doing that a 1:34:21.520 --> 1:34:23.599 lot too. So come up with a plan and stick 1:34:23.640 --> 1:34:24.680 with it no matter what you see. 1:34:24.800 --> 1:34:28.080 Just focus on the finish, and you may not realize, 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:31.439 depending on the age of your home, once you get 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:37.600 into any remodeling project whatsoever, you may not realize that 1:34:37.800 --> 1:34:42.000 what's actually behind the walls. Maybe there was another remodeling 1:34:42.080 --> 1:34:46.320 project that somebody just covered up, or or maybe it 1:34:46.439 --> 1:34:51.800 was wiring or some sort of structural issues behind that wall. 1:34:52.040 --> 1:34:52.200 You know. 1:34:52.320 --> 1:34:55.679 You see that on some of those dumb home improvement 1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:59.760 shows when they're taking their sledgehammer and oh, look, we're 1:34:59.760 --> 1:35:00.840 gonna take out this wall. 1:35:01.040 --> 1:35:02.759 Oh no, look what we found. 1:35:03.520 --> 1:35:05.760 I got my skinny jeans, my new tool belt on, 1:35:05.920 --> 1:35:08.519 my brand new sledgehammer, my glasses, and I don't have 1:35:08.560 --> 1:35:09.519 a speca dust on me. 1:35:09.560 --> 1:35:10.400 How is that possible? 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:13.320 I don't know how that's possible, But yeah, I mean 1:35:13.400 --> 1:35:16.640 I've had some people, especially with older homes in Cincinnati, 1:35:17.560 --> 1:35:21.679 tear out some of the ceiling and finding an a massive, enormous, 1:35:22.000 --> 1:35:28.200 gorgeous ceiling above. And why would somebody cover something like 1:35:28.280 --> 1:35:31.920 that up? Probably energy efficiency, you know, maybe they had 1:35:31.960 --> 1:35:35.160 a leak at some point, who knows. But you could 1:35:35.280 --> 1:35:39.560 find some really beautiful especially in the older homes in Cincinnati. 1:35:39.640 --> 1:35:42.120 You can find some really good surprises, or you can 1:35:42.160 --> 1:35:44.400 fight some really nasty supply. 1:35:44.040 --> 1:35:46.880 Some older homes and you know, the seventies were sixty 1:35:46.960 --> 1:35:49.439 seventies like an architectural nightmare. They come and put these 1:35:49.479 --> 1:35:51.280 fake ceiling and pull them back. It's like, oh my god, 1:35:51.320 --> 1:35:53.400 look at this gorgeous eight inch crown molding and they 1:35:53.479 --> 1:35:56.280 covered their ashes. It's like that wasn't the esthetic then, 1:35:56.479 --> 1:35:58.559 and now that's all vogue. And you come back and wow, 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:00.720 I can reclaim that are floors, you know, you pull 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:03.360 that carpet and see these beautiful inlaid floors. They need Yeah, 1:36:03.360 --> 1:36:05.760 they need some love and some work. But I've seen 1:36:05.800 --> 1:36:08.600 people and there's plenty of good companies in Cincinnati to 1:36:08.680 --> 1:36:10.400 do it, and contract is to do that will restore 1:36:10.439 --> 1:36:12.439 those floors. Now, it'll cost you a little bit about 1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:14.000 my god, what a show piece is going to add 1:36:14.280 --> 1:36:16.120 so much valuable home because it's the original stuff. You 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:18.720 can't replace that, like older houses. 1:36:18.400 --> 1:36:23.080 With hardwood floors, especially, so many hardwood floors in Cincinnati 1:36:24.520 --> 1:36:27.519 have been covered up with carpet. And you've got some 1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:30.479 tax strips, you've got some holes. But for the most part, 1:36:31.520 --> 1:36:33.680 you know, people felt like carpet was a new thing. 1:36:33.800 --> 1:36:37.439 It was nice, it was warm. But now guess what 1:36:37.840 --> 1:36:41.800 the hardwood is back, and that hardwood is real all 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:42.960 the way hardwood. 1:36:43.040 --> 1:36:45.320 It's not like the veneer that we have today. 1:36:46.000 --> 1:36:48.240 So when you have those older homes, like I said, 1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:52.320 there's there can be some really good surprises, but nine 1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:56.000 times out of ten surprises will cost you money. So 1:36:56.240 --> 1:37:00.920 make sure prepare financially when you go into a renovation. 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:04.360 If you're going to hire a contractor, talk to a 1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:07.120 couple different ones, make sure that you're doing your due 1:37:07.160 --> 1:37:10.640 diligence because the worst thing that could happen is a 1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:14.280 contractor shows up the first day, starts doing demo and 1:37:14.400 --> 1:37:17.240 then he or she is gone for three months and 1:37:17.600 --> 1:37:20.320 you're left with an absolute disaster of a mess. And 1:37:20.600 --> 1:37:24.720 we've heard those horror stories as well. So do your 1:37:24.800 --> 1:37:27.320 due diligence. If you're hiring somebody, make sure that you 1:37:27.560 --> 1:37:31.200 are understanding the true scope of the work. Make sure 1:37:31.240 --> 1:37:33.920 that you're hiring someone who's reputable, who's going to show up, 1:37:34.000 --> 1:37:36.800 who will give you a timeline and a deadline of 1:37:36.920 --> 1:37:39.839 when it can be done. And then just be careful 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:44.880 to not over improve. Don't try to. If you want 1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:46.720 the best of the best and you want the high 1:37:46.840 --> 1:37:49.800 end everything, do you live in a high end home, 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:51.200 and does it really make sense? 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:53.240 And that's hard for people to take on that. 1:37:53.400 --> 1:37:55.479 Sure, Now, if you're going to stay there forever, maybe 1:37:55.520 --> 1:37:57.599 you can recoup those costs down the line, I suppose, 1:37:58.000 --> 1:37:59.240 or if money's no objects. 1:37:59.439 --> 1:38:00.320 But that's a very few. 1:38:00.240 --> 1:38:03.360 People, that is absolutely And then you have to know 1:38:03.520 --> 1:38:04.479 when to stop. 1:38:04.880 --> 1:38:07.720 You know, if the costs are getting too great, and 1:38:07.840 --> 1:38:12.160 the project feels absolutely endless, like it's been years and 1:38:12.280 --> 1:38:15.200 I've had people say it's taken me over a year 1:38:15.640 --> 1:38:19.800 to get this project project finished, you may want to 1:38:19.960 --> 1:38:27.000 just pause, reassess, and you know, put a stop to 1:38:27.120 --> 1:38:28.759 it and stop the bleeding. 1:38:28.840 --> 1:38:30.840 You know, I think there was a money pit. 1:38:31.040 --> 1:38:33.160 Is that a yeah, there's a move Tom Hanks movie 1:38:33.200 --> 1:38:33.720 from back in day. 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:34.040 Yeah. 1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:38.479 But and especially today as we talk about renovation, regret, 1:38:38.520 --> 1:38:41.120 fixer up or regret with my wife Michelle Sloan, Uh, 1:38:41.600 --> 1:38:44.280 It's it's interesting, you know, we people are like jumping 1:38:44.320 --> 1:38:44.799 into houses. 1:38:44.880 --> 1:38:44.960 Now. 1:38:45.000 --> 1:38:46.760 It's like, okay, well I got to find the right 1:38:46.800 --> 1:38:49.120 house because now as we're back to a you know, 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:51.160 a buyer's market, I picked the right house I got 1:38:51.240 --> 1:38:53.200 to get and you know, you pick something go well, 1:38:53.240 --> 1:38:54.320 you know, what it's. 1:38:54.439 --> 1:38:56.120 It's I like the bones of it. I like the location. 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:58.080 It's in the right school district, it's close to work, 1:38:58.120 --> 1:39:00.160 close to high whatever it is, you know, we can 1:39:00.200 --> 1:39:02.800 work around that. We'll just remodel it. And there's people 1:39:02.880 --> 1:39:05.040 doing that too. But you know, sometimes you jump in 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:07.760 and buy the house and I realize there's a lot 1:39:07.840 --> 1:39:09.240 of problems behind those walls. 1:39:09.840 --> 1:39:12.800 Exactly, and then listen to the experts. So I'm going 1:39:12.840 --> 1:39:15.880 to tell you a quick story about a client of 1:39:16.000 --> 1:39:18.960 mine who was looking at a property in Mount Adams 1:39:19.360 --> 1:39:21.800 and it had a gorgeous view and it was a 1:39:21.920 --> 1:39:25.920 really cool, unique property, but the darn foundation was falling 1:39:25.960 --> 1:39:29.160 off the side of the hill. And she wanted this 1:39:29.439 --> 1:39:33.120 property so bad, she said, but look, but look, but 1:39:33.240 --> 1:39:38.280 she didn't see what could be. And if you're looking 1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:42.360 at find foundation issues, that can be thousands of thousands 1:39:42.400 --> 1:39:44.559 of dollars before you even get to the fun stuff. 1:39:45.160 --> 1:39:47.040 And so that's where you have to be, you know. 1:39:47.600 --> 1:39:50.840 And for me, it showed me a picture of that 1:39:50.960 --> 1:39:52.840 house idea, and I was looking at it and I 1:39:52.960 --> 1:39:54.240 just looked the pictures of the back yard ago I 1:39:54.240 --> 1:39:56.559 wouldn't touch that because you know, the walls are both 1:39:56.640 --> 1:39:58.760 there's you know, four by four and like we just 1:39:58.840 --> 1:40:00.840 had a deck collapse, and and Clifton at the you 1:40:00.920 --> 1:40:04.360 know at you see with those kids college students and 1:40:04.600 --> 1:40:07.080 what ten people hurt. I'm looking at this going wow, 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:09.920 that's way undersize, and it just it looked janky just 1:40:09.960 --> 1:40:12.120 from a photo which was I don't like one hundred 1:40:12.160 --> 1:40:14.360 yards away. I mean, I'd have to drive out there 1:40:14.360 --> 1:40:16.760 and look at the go. Yeah, better have some money 1:40:16.760 --> 1:40:17.439 if you're gonna buy that. 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:20.519 I don't like to be the bad guy because if 1:40:20.560 --> 1:40:26.600 you let your emotions, you know, ruled the equation, you 1:40:26.760 --> 1:40:30.040 could regret it, because then financially, you're gonna go back 1:40:30.080 --> 1:40:32.600 and you're gonna look at the person who sold you 1:40:32.680 --> 1:40:35.320 the property or helped you buy the property and say, Michelle, 1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:36.600 why did you make me buy that? 1:40:36.760 --> 1:40:38.160 I'm like, oh wait a minute. 1:40:38.840 --> 1:40:39.479 Yeah. Yeah. 1:40:39.880 --> 1:40:42.280 You have to be careful and listen to the people 1:40:42.360 --> 1:40:46.200 around you because being in the business as long as 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:48.600 I have and you have, and we know, we know 1:40:48.800 --> 1:40:52.360 there are some things that no matter how beautiful the 1:40:52.479 --> 1:40:54.880 view is, it just may not be worth it. 1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:57.000 So you have to be realistic. 1:40:57.600 --> 1:41:01.000 And being realistic is oftentimes it's not as fun as 1:41:01.160 --> 1:41:04.080 just being a dreamer and enjoying a motion of it. 1:41:04.240 --> 1:41:06.840 It's like when you bought your first car because the radio, 1:41:06.920 --> 1:41:07.920 the stereo was good. 1:41:09.160 --> 1:41:09.920 That's what it's like. 1:41:10.360 --> 1:41:13.240 My wife Michelle Sloan slon sellslmes dot com Open House 1:41:13.240 --> 1:41:16.439 show that's on the iHeartRadio app, the podcast as well 1:41:16.520 --> 1:41:19.760 as on YouTube too, and she's at Remax time in 1:41:20.160 --> 1:41:22.040 Mainfel slon sells homes dot com. All Right, Olby, I 1:41:22.080 --> 1:41:23.559 gotta go, I gotta go go feed the dog. 1:41:24.479 --> 1:41:25.400 Okay, it's not time. 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:28.720 Yeah, well ask Kim many time. It's a good time 1:41:28.800 --> 1:41:31.120 to eat. It's like me, like as owner. We've got 1:41:31.200 --> 1:41:33.120 news on the way in just minutes. Willie takes over 1:41:33.600 --> 1:41:35.320 on the Home of the Best Bengals covered seven hundred 1:41:35.400 --> 1:41:36.120 ww since that