1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news Radio. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 2: Thanks Dan Watkins, rather Jay and for Dan tonight. And 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: I'm talking to you all out there in terms of 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: family history family folklore. A lot of families have a 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: story one of your ancestors was a pirate or a 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: Mayflower person, or on the Constitution, or ran a butcher 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: shop in Harvard Square. Whatever, there's some family story that 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 2: gets passed down. And two things I would like you 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: to a share that story with us, with the community here, 10 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: the Beezy community. And b I'm going to talk to 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: a genealogist. The genealogist not just a genealogist. We have 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: as a guest here in studio is David Allan Lambert. 13 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: He's the chief genealogist for the brew Family Learning Center. 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: And also you have other gigs that you do. Why 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: don't you tell us about those? 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: Well, Brutlet Family Learning Center is with American Ancestors, which 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: is one hundred and eighty years old. I'm also the 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: state historian for the Sons of the American Revolution. 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: So it's a little uh. 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: Have to talk about around the corner. You have to 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: talk about that a bunch and so I guess I 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 3: would start. 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: I have a little bit of a family story to 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: try to prime the pump, and I want you to 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: tell your story. And it doesn't have to be some 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: mayflowery story. It can be. I think my grandfather came 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: across came from Ireland in eighteen ninety four. I'd really 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: like to you know where, no where from Ireland it was, 29 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: so maybe I can go visit anything genealogical. This is 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: your chance for kind of a freebie, to get some 31 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: tips on how to track that down. Or maybe you 32 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: have no idea of any luminaries or bad people in 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: your family. Maybe you want to find out. We'll also 34 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: find out about the companies that do it and what 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: those are like, and maybe how DNA plays plays into 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: this or not. I have a bunch of questions, but 37 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: I guess I'll start out with a story. Sure of 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: my family. For the first one of us Jays came 39 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: to the Dover area in Gover, New Hampshire area in 40 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: about sixteen forty and they fished in the Oyster River area, 41 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: and I think he was killed in an altercation with 42 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 2: Native Americans over territorial rights. But his son built a 43 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: garrison and I went to see it. The two falls ago. 44 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: I went up there, somebody from the Durham Area Historical Society. 45 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: I met her at the train with my brothers and 46 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: we all went and the story of this. There was 47 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: a garrison and there were about eighteen men I guess 48 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: associated with the garrison and families, and the Native Americans 49 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: noticed that all eighteen or all eighteen men were out 50 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: in the field, and so they attacked. They attacked them 51 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: in then they went back to the garrison and killed 52 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: most of those people. If there were two boys who 53 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: fought them off for a while and then finally they 54 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: succumbed and the woman, and I don't know if it 55 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: was if it was the lieutenant Lieutenant James's wife was 56 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: taken hostage for a year and released a year later. 57 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: And it's a detailed account of it. I guess it 58 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: was a big deal at the town. So there's a 59 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: detailed a count by somebody Mather, and I don't think 60 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: it was Cotton, or it may have been. 61 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: He actually did a lot with the part Salem Witchcruft trails, 62 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: because I think this happened in like seventeen oh four. 63 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: Because my William Pittman from the same place was killed 64 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: river at the same time sixteen or sixteen eighty nine 65 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: eighty nine case of the first the first attack when 66 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: that happened. 67 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: And and that is quite interesting. And I did my research. 68 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: I found the written and the written what do have you? 69 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: What do you call it? His last rolling testament or 70 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: the account of the event? No, like the family line 71 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: of the genealogy, the genial there you go. Okay, somebody 72 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: somebody begat somebody and and got it right up to 73 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: my actual grandfather. So I knew it was legit. And 74 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: the I'm going to leave it alone because I like that. 75 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: I like that tale, and I don't don't want to 76 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: learn any more that might make it false. But it 77 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 2: is really interesting and it is interesting to read accounts 78 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: if there are any, about the way people fought. And 79 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: it's interesting in the account by Mather how they spoke 80 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: about the Native Americans. They used all kinds of less 81 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: than less than nice adjectives, and I won't say what 82 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: they were, but it was a different time. And so 83 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: if anybody else has a you know, a story that 84 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: they'd like to get tips on how to verify or debunk, 85 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: or if you'd just like to find out more about 86 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 2: your family. Maybe you know nothing. A lot of people 87 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: do the genetic swab thing, but what you do is 88 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: kind of cooler. I think, well we do. What are 89 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: the difference? 90 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: I mean, the scientific approach with DNA allows you to 91 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: basically you know the paternity of your ancestors, so you 92 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: could like find out if your last name is correct. 93 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I've had plenty of people think that they 94 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: have a mayfil hour line only to find out their 95 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: last name is McGillicuddy. So you know, Saint Patrick's Day 96 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 3: becomes more important than Thanksgiving. 97 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: But other way, those people are sad. They are they 98 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: are I wish they kept their money in their pocket. 99 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: They just stuck with their myth. 100 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: And I mean, so we do the research as well. 101 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: My colleague Melanie macomb is, our genetic genealogist, has a 102 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: lot of consultations with people that get DNA results. But 103 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: it could be there trying to find their dad where 104 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 3: they're trying to find you. Why do all of a 105 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: sudden I have all these matches. So we don't do 106 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: DNA testing, but we do the analysis of it and 107 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: the other thing that we do on American ancestors for 108 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty years is we welcome people in. 109 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: I mean, in fact, we're open, like I mentioned, until 110 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: March for free. Just give a donation if you like. 111 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: In ninety seven Newbery, so you can come in, if 112 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: you're in the Boston American Ancestors, American ancestor what's in 113 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 3: there when you go in there? We have a research 114 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: center that has over a quarter of a million books, 115 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: twenty eight million manuscripts, and besides our new Family Heritage Experience, 116 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: which is like a virtual, interactive, hands on experience to 117 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: learn about genealogy and cultures, which is what we expanded. 118 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: Because we used to be one building, we built an addition, 119 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 3: so we're now at ninety seven Newbery and expand into 120 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: almost three properties right on Newberry Street near the. 121 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: Intersection of Clarendon. One thing I noticed, it's interesting is 122 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: how little people traveled until maybe nineteen fifty, so that 123 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: families are clustered around a pretty close area. For example, 124 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: the sixteen forty guy in my family came to an 125 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: area twenty minutes from where I live, and people didn't 126 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: go very far, like the sun got a place next 127 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: to next door. As a matter of fact, my father 128 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: bought a plot of land next to where he grew up. Sure, 129 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: I walked across the field to my grandfather's house kind 130 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: of thing. Yeah, and then when air travel became available 131 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: to everybody, everything changed pretty much. Well, you always say the. 132 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: Oldest son got the farm. That primer generator was well, 133 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: you know, into play in the seventeenth, eighteenth and early 134 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: nineteenth century. 135 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: The youngest son. 136 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: Got to get a wagon and a horse, and not 137 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: so the ones that went west because they're not gonna 138 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: inherit that interesting one. 139 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, so beck in the day and not that far back, 140 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 4: the oldest son got everything pretty much, or it was divided. 141 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: But in some cases, but generally the oldest son would 142 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: inherit and then and oftentimes would get the farm. And 143 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: then you know, the younger son may get a portion 144 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: of or they might equally divide it, but typically it's 145 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: by primogenitor, especially in the earlier days. 146 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: I bet you have a story. Usually people in the 147 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 2: biz have a story like Richard Pickering from Plymouth Plantation. 148 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: It's two family members in the Mayflower so he can 149 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: destroy anybody that at parties when they start bragging about. 150 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: Being a Mayflower. You must have an interesting story, right. 151 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: I have a lady who was accused of witchcraft. All right, 152 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: lit'en hear that story after this on WBZ. 153 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan on Boston's news radio. 154 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: Bradley for Dan, we were with David Alan Lambert, who 155 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: is a big time, big deal genealogist, and we're going 156 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: to ask you to share if you have a myth 157 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: you would like to be able to verify in your family, 158 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: be it good, bad, or ugly. We're going to give 159 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: you some tips on doing that, and I'll get to 160 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: Nick and Somerville in a minute. First, David, you I 161 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: find that people who are in genealogy have just happened 162 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: to have interesting genealogical stories. Maybe everyone does, and you 163 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: happen to have ferreted it out. Tell us your story. 164 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: Tenth great grandmother Mary Perkins Brawdbury lived up in Salisbury, Massachusetts, 165 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 3: and one of her neighbors accused her to manifest into 166 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: a blue boar. 167 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: And what year was this? Of course it was, and 168 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: she was arrested. Do you know who's the witch there 169 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: blue boar? The person that is accused of turning into 170 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: a blue boar or the person that saw the blue boar. 171 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: Well, they said that she manifested into one and then 172 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: chased at his horse. 173 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: What happened to her, Well, she was put into jail 174 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: but escaped. 175 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 3: Her husband was a merchant and she disappeared into northern 176 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 3: New England. And we know that because she died eight 177 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: years later. But after everything died down, she pulled back. 178 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: There's a great push right now to exonerate those that 179 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: have been accused of witchcraft. Right now, there's a house 180 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 3: bill Palace built nineteen twenty seven which is right out 181 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: there that might hopefully pass through that will clear the 182 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: names of everyone after three hundred and thirty plus years. 183 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 2: Do you ever do any genealogical work with those accused witches? Oh? 184 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: Sure, you know all the time. I've got people that 185 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: are descendants. I mean, my hometown of Stoton is named 186 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: for the judge, which I think is ironic. One of 187 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: my ancestor's brother was Samuel Sewell, the great Diarist of Boston, 188 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: and he was the only judge who actually felt bad 189 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: about it. 190 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 2: Do you think the judges really believed they were witches? 191 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: You know, one of the things I've always thought is 192 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 3: that you know, you're either the accused or the accuser. 193 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 3: So I mean, do you want to be uh, take 194 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 3: the side of your neighbor and say, oh, no, they're 195 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 3: definitely not a witch by all means, and then all 196 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 3: of a sudden they'll think you're in league with them 197 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: and then accuse me. 198 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course. Okay, got to go with the flow. 199 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: If you're a judge back, then you have more interesting 200 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: family stuff. Oh yeah, I have a bootlegger a story. Family, 201 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: show tell the bootlegger story, grand and no one knows 202 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: more detail about genealogy, So tell the detailed bootleggo version. 203 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: The story was, my grandfather was a bootlegger in East 204 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: Boston and the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties, and as 205 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: the story goes, he was the personal bootlego for a 206 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 3: man by the name of Joseph Patrick Kennedy. 207 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: He may have heard of his you say, as the 208 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: story goes back, did you, We. 209 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: Said, well, there's no record at the Kennedy line. I 210 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: didn't sign a receipt. No, no, it's all oral tradition. 211 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: But and that's one of the things about genealogy is 212 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 3: where we have people come into our location all the time, 213 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 3: Bradley that have these stories and yeah, some things you 214 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: can find in the newspapers. Sometimes you can find that 215 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: someone was murdered because you find the death record, or 216 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: you know they had a fortune and lost it because 217 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: it's a court case. But some of them lie in 218 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: the paths of history that we can't travel down. And 219 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: I love a good mystery, but I also like to 220 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: crack a good mystery too. 221 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 2: So let's say I wanted to any of us wanted 222 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: to know more about our families. We walk in here 223 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: to the. 224 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: Two American ancestors at ninety seven New Breech Street in Boston, and. 225 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 2: Well, what would be the first thing we would do. 226 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: I wouldn't know where to go or where to look. 227 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: You have people to help out, we do. 228 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 3: They're going to send you right up to the seventh 229 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 3: floor where we have staff on the desk, and we'll 230 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: give you a family chart and you could start putting 231 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: down what you know, and we work with Basically, you know, 232 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: you might have your parents, grandparents, our great grandparents' name. 233 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: You might want to know where in Ireland you come from, 234 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: or what boat your family came over on, or perhaps 235 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: maybe you're Native American, or you want to know where 236 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 3: in Italy your family comes from. We can point you 237 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: out of the sources. If we don't have that, we're 238 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: going to get you to that direction. And the other 239 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: thing is that even if you can't come to visit US, 240 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: Americanancestors dot Org, which is our website, has over a 241 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: billion searchable records, and on there you can search things, 242 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: some for free. You can register on look at More, 243 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: you can pay and become a member. But if you 244 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: want to come into the library, I think that's the 245 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 3: best avenue because you get to experience it and have 246 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: hands on with the books and the resources and the staff. 247 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: So you go in and you fill out all the 248 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: information that you have, but then you yourself have to 249 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: go and look. No, we help you, you do, we 250 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 3: do help you. Yeah, we guide you along the way. 251 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: Nobody is left in the dark. 252 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: Because I can just picture myself wandering through stacks of 253 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: books twenty feet high, like at Trinity College in Dublin, Like, 254 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, it sounds like a bad dream. 255 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 3: We don't let anybody loose in the wilderness. I mean, 256 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: people can browse as much as it hy. But we're 257 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 3: obviously going to keep a good guidance, all right, So 258 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,599 Speaker 3: let's talk to Nick and Somerville. 259 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: Man Tiking machine. Here. Hi, Nick, are you're on WBZ 260 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: with David Allen Lambert. 261 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 5: Pull Over there, Hi, I thought you since you're talking 262 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 5: about genealogy. I live in Somerville, but I've got a 263 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,359 Speaker 5: cousin who's upstate in New York in the Albany area, 264 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 5: who just wrote a book. And the book is about 265 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 5: six generations of entrepreneurs. And he's a small businessman in 266 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 5: the Albany area and he's been intrigued by his forbearers 267 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 5: ahead of him, who were also small business of people, 268 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 5: entrepreneurs who started in Italy and one by one they 269 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 5: came over to America and they became very Americanized. And 270 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 5: he's written a book and Amazon has it now. It's 271 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 5: called Chopper and Sons. And that's cho Ppa and Sons 272 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 5: and as a not to be redundant, but he talks 273 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 5: about his six generations of entrepreneurs from Italy to America. 274 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 5: And my cousin's name, my cousin who wrote the book. 275 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 5: His name is Anthony J. Chopper Sr. He wrote this 276 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 5: book and concert with his daughter Mary Teresa Chopper O'Neill. 277 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 5: And it goes on to talk about all the efforts 278 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 5: that were put into the businesses and the raising of 279 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 5: the family and their successes here in America. And if 280 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 5: you want to go ahead and ask me any questions, 281 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 5: I'd be happy to answer them as best I can. 282 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: I don't think we have any questions. Would you like 283 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: to learn more about this? Well, in which way, well, 284 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: you know, learn more about the Choppers. I love that 285 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: name Chopper. 286 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 5: Well what they when when they started in Italy? The 287 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 5: name and my cousin Anthony Chopper Senior, who wrote the 288 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 5: book uh in his dining room in his home in Lowdonville, 289 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 5: New York. It's it shows where the three of the 290 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 5: entrepreneurs who came who were born in Italy. Their real 291 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 5: name was Della Chopper then yeah, it was Della Chopper. 292 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 5: And they originated in a very small town called Bellona 293 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 5: in the province of Cazte, Italy. And in as time 294 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 5: went on, they turned their name. They changed their name 295 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 5: to Americanizer, to chump A Choppa. And they were either 296 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 5: master tailors, master shoemakers. They were really ottisans in their 297 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 5: own way. 298 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: So no bums the whole in the whole group, everybody, 299 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 2: everybody was doing well. 300 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, but they were doing well, but with a lot 301 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 5: of very hard work. Even though back in the old country. 302 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 5: You know, people in so many of a country think 303 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 5: that the streets of America aligned with gold, but they 304 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 5: never really pushed the fact that people had in those 305 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 5: days when they came back here in the late eighteen 306 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 5: hundreds and the early nineteen hundreds, had to work pretty 307 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 5: hard to get that golded. 308 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like a great book that we need 309 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 2: to have at the library. 310 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 3: American ancestors would be interested in getting your copy. So 311 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: thanks for telling me about it. I'll look it up 312 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: on Amazon. I did tom Anino's genealogy as people came 313 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 3: from Avellino. 314 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: I did that gosh over thirty years ago, and it's 315 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: it's it's fascinating. 316 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 3: Italian genealogy is really lucky because you can go back 317 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: to the Napoleonic era with some of the records, so 318 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: you can go back over two hundred years for we'll 319 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: call Nick appreciate that. 320 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 2: After this break, I want to find out we say, 321 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: I did tom Anino's genealogy. I want to know the 322 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: step by step of what you do. Don't tell me yet, 323 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: but we're all going to find out together together. After 324 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 2: this On WBZ, rob. 325 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 326 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 2: All Right, American Ancestors is an organization that our guest 327 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: is the chief genealogist of David Allan Lambert, and I'd 328 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: love you to share at six months, seven, two, four, 329 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: ten thirty any family rumors and we can we actually 330 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: dave down that, but can give you some ideas, some 331 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: tips on how to track that down and they will 332 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: actually help you. At American Ancestors, you mentioned that you 333 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: had done Tom Anino's genealogy. You don't have to tell 334 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: me any dok secrets, but I would love to know 335 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: the process. So somebody comes in Tom. Did Tom come 336 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: in himself? No, it was an interest. 337 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 3: I started working at American Ancestors the same year he 338 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: became mayor of Boston and back in ninety three, and 339 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 3: I was just curious, you know, as anybody is with 340 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: you know, people in politics, they always say the easiest 341 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: way to get genealogy is done. 342 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 2: Is to run for office. So I started looking up. 343 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 3: I looked up his birth record, and I had his 344 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: parents and got his grandparents and got back to his 345 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: great grandparents, and I was already in the old Country. 346 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: Then I started looking at other things like naturalization records 347 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: where did they come from? And military draft records? 348 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: You know when they registered for the draft, and so 349 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 2: where do you find these? How do you find military 350 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: draft records? 351 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: Well, what I did thirty years ago is going to 352 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 3: the National Archives in Waltham, Massachusetts, and now I can 353 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 3: go online to places like. 354 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: You used to do a lot of footwork and driving around, Yeah, 355 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: asking people, can I can I get in here during 356 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: these certain hours. 357 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: Exactly, But the records are still the same way. They're 358 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: kind of locked down. Anything in Massachusetts, it's a birth 359 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: that occurs after nineteen thirty five, you get to go 360 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 3: to the Department of Idol Statistics or the city of 361 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: town clerk. If it's before thirty five, it's at the 362 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: mass State Archives. Well, lucky they go back to eighteen 363 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 3: forty one. So it's everybody's birth, marriage, and death. 364 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 2: Okay, what else did you check on Tom Anino? 365 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: I mean, well, I mean what I wanted to try 366 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: to find out if there was any interesting stories. So 367 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: I mean with his family, you know, they were all 368 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: living in the Hyde Park area for years. His father's 369 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 3: family worked for Westinghouse right there across the tracks from 370 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: where they lived. It was just it was interesting to 371 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: see his other family was the Sachetti family and they 372 00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: were also. 373 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: From Avellino, Eve Avellino. 374 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: And uh, when we gave him his genealogy, uh, he 375 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 3: was so touched by it he teared up. And because 376 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 3: he had some of it he didn't know. 377 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: I mean some of it. 378 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: You're going to know your grandparents, but you might not 379 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 3: know your grandmother's middle name. 380 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: You might not know where she was born or something 381 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 2: like that. 382 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 3: So I think we we added that little extra detail. 383 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 3: I've done Doris Curne Goodwin's genealogy. I did David McCullough's genealogy. 384 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: Uh Ken Burns, who just did the. 385 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: Genealogy, Oh my goodness. 386 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: So and uh David McCullough, that was no kidding. Yeah, 387 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: so I got a chance to do that. 388 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 2: You are genealogists to the stars. Well, I've been doing 389 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: a few of them over the years. 390 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 391 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: But okay, before we get to Donna in Portsmouth, I 392 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: wonder which Portsmouth. I bet it's New Hampshire anyway. Actually, uh, 393 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 2: let's go right to him right now. I want to 394 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: make sure he has plenty of time. Don in Portsmouth? 395 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 2: Which Portsmouth? Don you're on w b. 396 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, New Hampshire, right on there we go. Yeah, my 397 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 6: family comes from Wisconsin. But what I wanted to say 398 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 6: is that all my details about what I'm talking about 399 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 6: are now in a safe in my office. But anyway, 400 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 6: the gist of the story is that these three hourshmen 401 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 6: came over here from Ireland and like the eighteen seventies, 402 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 6: and one lived at State in Boston, one went to Wisconsin, 403 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 6: one went to California. But the one that went to 404 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 6: Wisconsin he married a woman there and they had sixteen kids, 405 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 6: and my great great grandfather or my great grandfather was born. 406 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 6: He was his last one, sixteen. But things got so 407 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 6: tough and rough the economy that they couldn't they couldn't 408 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 6: raise a kid, so my grand great grandfather was adopted. 409 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 6: Well probably not legally, but because he kept the same name. 410 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: Anyway, would you like to find out all the details. 411 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 6: Well, I have it all pretty much. I just wanted 412 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 6: to tell you about it. He's this Indian tribe in 413 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 6: Wisconsin called the chip Awa Indians. They adopted my grandfather 414 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 6: because they couldn't raise They didn't they couldn't afford all 415 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 6: the kids, so they adopted him. 416 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: His parents could not afford to take care of him. 417 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: So the Americans adopted him, did they just say? 418 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 6: Hear otherwise? No? You go ahead, sorry, Yeah, well, I 419 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 6: say adopted on party, not legally, but they raised them 420 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 6: and he married one of them, one of the tribe 421 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 6: ladies there that he grew up with, and her name 422 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 6: was Manih. But anyway, is that true? Yeah, that's true. Yes, 423 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 6: you know it's I got a picture and everything and 424 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 6: I got you know. 425 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: Okay, So David Allen Lambert DL, I know that miniehow 426 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: has a famous Native American person, but I forget the 427 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: exact details. 428 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously is one of the names that 429 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: you hear a lot when people put out names. The 430 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 3: thing with the DNA, if you've ever done the DNA 431 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 3: to so, I'll tell you, one way or another, how 432 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: much percentage you are Native American based upon your autosomal DNA. 433 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 3: So there's a variety of different companies ancestry my Heritage 434 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: twenty three meters. 435 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 2: They'll all help you with that. 436 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: But it sounds like you've got the stories. And the 437 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 3: nice thing is you've got the story because a lot 438 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: of people find the facts, but they don't have the 439 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: story to back it up. The three brothers from Ireland 440 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 3: is a very common myth, but it's also three brothers 441 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 3: from Sweden. Three brothers from Ireland Wisconsin. 442 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would have Swedish. Yeah, I wouldn't think 443 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 2: of being a. 444 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: Very Irish heavily populated. Did they keep in touch with 445 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 3: the Boston family, That's all I'm curious about. 446 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 6: I don't think they did. Somehow they knew that one 447 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 6: of the brothers went to California, and I don't know, 448 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 6: they don't know. I mean, I don't know what his name. 449 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 6: But I'm sure they. 450 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: Can help you with that. We can help you with that. 451 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 3: Come one into American Ancestors sometime when you're down from 452 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: Portsmouth or just go to American Ancestors. There's a great 453 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: database we have called Missing Friends. It was ads published 454 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 3: in the Boston Pilot. 455 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: It's ninety Street in Boston. Go in there, tell them 456 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 2: you're on WBZ and they'll help you. They would help 457 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: you anyway, but maybe they'll help you more. 458 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 6: Oh great, thank you? 459 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: What's done? You take care? Oh yeah? How much does 460 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: it cost to get your genealogy done? Say that, I'm 461 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 2: John Smith. I want to know about my family. Well, 462 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 2: we're gonna say it depends. It really does. The trouble 463 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: of saying that, yeah, is it by the hour? Is 464 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: it by how famous I am, how much money I have? 465 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: How do sliding scale for four poor people? 466 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 3: Well again, we're open for free, just you know, give 467 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 3: a donation through the march, so you can come in 468 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: pretty much every day and we can help you a 469 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 3: little bit at a time. If you wanted us to 470 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: just do the genealogy for you. We have a research 471 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 3: services department that charges by the hour. 472 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: And if you're a member, there's one rate. 473 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: If you're a non member, there's another rate. Right now, 474 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: because of the amount of people that we get, we 475 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 3: have over six. 476 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: Month wait to do the geniality. 477 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: Oh so you better have doing it yourself, or we 478 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 3: do consultations, or we do consultations on zoom or in person, 479 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 3: and that's quicker. You could book something like that in 480 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks, short time, and then we can 481 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: kind of. 482 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 2: Which is a membership. 483 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 3: Membership is ninety nine to ninety five for. 484 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: A couldn't couldn't just make it one hundred bucks. I 485 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: got to give that nickelback. It's interesting, and uh, look 486 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: I think we have time for Florence and Groveland or 487 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: Groveland in Florence. 488 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 5: Hello Florence, Hi, how are you very well? 489 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 7: We are well, well, well, I just wanted to tell you. 490 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 7: I've already told this to Dan Gray one time a 491 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 7: while bad and also more than why can't you? But 492 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 7: on my father's side, I am related to Franklin Pierce, 493 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 7: our fourteenth president, and I think it's eighteen fifty four 494 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 7: or something like that. And I'm also related to Barbara Bush, 495 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 7: who is passed on now. 496 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 6: Also, let me ask you a question. 497 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: Does that make you feel better about yourself? I mean, 498 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: this is a that's a legit question, like why do 499 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: people people want to be mayflower people? People want to 500 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: be a constantly? You know, my cousin fought on the constant, 501 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: My great great, great great fought on the Constitution. I'm 502 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: gonna ask you, and then I'll ask David. How much 503 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: a motivation this is? What does it? Does it puff 504 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: people up? Make them feel more legitimate? Because I have 505 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: been thinking about this in our existences here on earth. 506 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: The big question is what's the point and what we 507 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: all search for? What we all search for at the 508 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: end of the day, Florence is significance. We all search 509 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: for significance, whether it's I'm cool I'm on the radio, 510 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: or I'm cool i'm the president, or I'm cool because 511 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: i'm rich, I am sign that boils down to significance. 512 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: And if you, I mean, this is kind of a 513 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: shortcut to significance if you have fancy relatives from way back. 514 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 2: So do you feel a little more significant, don't you? 515 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 5: No? 516 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: Yes, you do, Yes, you do. 517 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 5: I just. 518 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: It's okay, cry, it's okay. 519 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 7: I was surprised when I heard a little bit about 520 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 7: it from my dad, and I just thought, where you 521 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 7: were talking about this, that's good. You might like to 522 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 7: hear about it. 523 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 2: I did, and. 524 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 7: So I think it's nice. It's nice. They're going. You 525 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 7: can't talk with them now, and you know, but it's 526 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 7: nice to know that you had some ancests that we're 527 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 7: in the I don't know. Can we call it lime 528 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 7: light for a little while ago significant. 529 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: That's a great call. Look at the time, it's five 530 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: nine five, so we got to go. But that was 531 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: a really good call, Thank you very much. I'll admit it. 532 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: I would probably feel more significant if my ancestor was Napoleon. 533 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: There you go, you know, yeah, you go to a party. Well, 534 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: you know, my ancestor was on the Mayflower and if 535 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: I could say, yeah, my ancestor was Alexander the Great, Okay, 536 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: so take that exactly. 537 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 3: You know, for me, I lost all my grandparents Bradley 538 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 3: by the time I was eleven years old. 539 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: They we're all gone, and I wanted to know where 540 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: I came from. So I started to research. 541 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 3: The stories because my parents didn't have a great knowledge 542 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 3: of their own grandparents. And for me, it allowed me 543 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 3: to see where I fit into local history, state history, 544 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 3: American history, and world history. Because then I enjoyed social 545 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: studies as a kid, because as a seventy eight year old, 546 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 3: I could say, oh, well, my ancestor was marched on 547 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 3: Lexington and Concker to my ancestor was a drummer boy 548 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: in the Civil War. Her brother was a drummer boy 549 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 3: in the Civil War, and he gave me that connection 550 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 3: in history became more interesting at least for me as 551 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: a kid, and I, you know, I care more about 552 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: the regular paperhanger who was my great grandfather was on 553 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 3: a whaling ship, or my soldier who was a British 554 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: red Coat who was at bunker Hill. 555 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 2: And yeah, after this break, you you found out, Well, 556 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: you just kind of gave it away, but you can 557 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: flesh that out a little bit. Kind of a surprise, yeah, 558 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: and a big and this relative did a big circle 559 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: coming back to a place not realizing what his ancestor 560 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 2: had been. And this is something you uncovered. And we'll 561 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: tell that story next on WBZ. 562 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 563 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: news Radio. 564 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 2: Great great, great great great guests David Allen Lambert from 565 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: American Ancestors, and we're going to go ahead and you're 566 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: going to tell the story about a surprise you had 567 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: when you looked into yours. Then we're going to talk 568 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: about the Ken Barons genealogy you did, because you there's 569 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: a fascinating fact in that. Sure, all right, we have 570 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: a short time, So beast of synct. 571 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 3: Okay, Thomas Barry came to Boston right at the time 572 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: when the rebellion is going on. 573 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: You know, the Boston Tea Party had happened. 574 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 3: By seventeen seventy four, we have troops coming into Boston. 575 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 3: He was with a thirty eighth Regiment afoot. He did 576 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: march to Lexington Green was there, he was at Conquered Bridge. 577 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 3: He was at Bunker Hill, at other places Brooklyn Heights, 578 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 3: and then at the end of the war a batch 579 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: of the guys from that regiment were actually mustered out 580 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: and got Crown land grants in Nova Scotia. 581 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 2: So you've told them which side you tell the people? 582 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: Which you said? Yeah, he's a red coat. 583 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: So and I'm the state historian for the Massachusetts Sunsay 584 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 3: the American Revolution, so stating that I have a red 585 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: coat in the family tree just gives me a lot 586 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 3: of pressure from my fellow members. 587 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: So these crown how'd they get land grants from the king. 588 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 3: After the Revolution? So he was up in Nova Scotia. 589 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 3: The regiment had disbanded after the war, and I think 590 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 3: about twenty of them got land in Nova Scotia, which 591 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 3: is now New Brunswick. Fast forward to nineteen twenty three, 592 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: my grandmother, who was his third great granddaughter, comes down 593 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 3: and settles in East Boston. By the nineteen thirties of 594 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 3: living in Charlestown, right in the sunnyside of the shady 595 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 3: side of Bunker Hill, my father would have been beat 596 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: up as a child if he had ever told his 597 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 3: classmates that his ancestor was a redcoat. Going to Charlestown 598 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 3: High School or you know. So it was an interesting 599 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 3: thing for me to discover. 600 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: My dad never learned that. I found it years after 601 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: he passed away. 602 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 3: But a lot of people have people who fought a 603 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 3: march on Lexington and Concord. But if you look at 604 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 3: the math Bradley, if you march in from New Hampshire, 605 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 3: you're not going to be there in enough time. But 606 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 3: if you're with a redcoat regiment that went there to 607 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 3: begin with your ancestors there, So I'm there, but on 608 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 3: the wrong side. 609 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: Clarify something for me, not being an expert on anything, 610 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: I would have thought that the king would have lost 611 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: his ability to give land grants after the war. Well, 612 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: Canada was still the British Canada. Yeah, so Canada. That explains. Yeah, 613 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: so where in Canada is in an. 614 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 3: Area called now Albert County, New Brunswick and a little 615 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 3: town called Coverdale near Moncton, New Brunswick, Monkton. 616 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 2: I know where that is. My grandmother was born. All right, 617 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: now tell the answer. Oh, interesting fact related to not 618 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 2: really related to genealogy, but only in that when people 619 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 2: pass different things happened to their remains, and that's kind 620 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 2: of related to genealogy and to tell your Disneyland story. 621 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 2: Oh well one of the things people, Yeah, this is. 622 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 3: The story I maybe hopefully not just an urban myth. 623 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 3: I think this actually comes up because they have a 624 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 3: code for it. I write a book about twenty years 625 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 3: ago called a Guide to Massachusetts Cemeteries and if somebody 626 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 3: is cremated, because some places have cremation gardens. Luckily I 627 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 3: did a book on Massachusetts and not Florida because I'd 628 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 3: have to include the Haunted Mansion at disney World, because 629 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 3: they go in the spread Grandma's ashes or Grandpa's ashes 630 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 3: in the Haunted Mansion, and then they have a code 631 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 3: to clean it up. 632 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 2: So instead of say, uh, Cooperstown, New York, right, they'll 633 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: spread the ashes in the Haunted Mansion, right, and Disneyland. 634 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: But that's not a good idea, folks. And did you 635 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: tell them why? 636 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, because they do clean the place occasionally. Vacuuming might 637 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 3: be a problem, and it's not just a random vacuum 638 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 3: at the end of the night. It's kind of like 639 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 3: a spill on Aisle three in the Superman. 640 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 2: It's a code. They will say, they will see ashes 641 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 2: on the floor, they'll know what's up, and somebody will 642 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 2: go on the loud speaker, h code code Grandma. You 643 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 2: said it was code. I think it's like something like 644 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 2: code code Grandma haunted mansion. And they will come and 645 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 2: sweep up your in somebody's ashes and throw them out. 646 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: I guess so. So you never know where you're gonna 647 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 2: end up. All right, In the remaining time, let's talk 648 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: about your very fascinating interactions with Ken Barns as you 649 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: did the Brons genealogy. 650 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 3: You know, Ken Burns has done so much to give 651 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 3: us the story of baseball, jazz, and now recently the Revolution. 652 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 3: But he had done the Civil War, and I had 653 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 3: done the genealogy for David McCullough, who narrated the Civil 654 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 3: War series. But we had ken Burns as a guest Bradley, 655 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 3: and as I looked into his genealogy, I found out 656 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 3: he had a New Jersey family with the last name 657 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 3: of Flowers. And something struck a chord there, because I 658 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 3: know I'd seen that name before, and like our caller 659 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 3: from Groveland, Mass connection to Franklin Pierce, Well, yeah, ken 660 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 3: Burns actually has a connection to Abraham Lincoln. Their ancestors 661 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 3: were brothers in New Jersey and the colonial period. So 662 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 3: ken Burns's cousins with Abraham Lincoln. 663 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 2: Their answers were brothers. Yes, so his cousins with He's 664 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 2: a cousin with Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, see there's some significance. Yeah. 665 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean, I don't know who'd be more impressed, 666 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln ken Burns. 667 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: That's a good point. Yeah, like who's all right? You know, 668 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 2: I guess we'll have to save some for next time. 669 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 2: I do. I have four minutes here, and I don't 670 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 2: want to, you know, not give you the time to 671 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 2: say a proper goodbye. I want to go through everything 672 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 2: again as far as how people can get in touch 673 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 2: with you and learn, learn what's back there, because even 674 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 2: if even if you are not related to anybody that 675 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: anyone knows, it is super interesting. I would say, to 676 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 2: know where you are from, and because where you're from 677 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 2: and the time that happened all goes into you know, 678 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 2: making up who you are. 679 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,439 Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, if you come and visit 680 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 3: us again ninety seven Newbury, We're open Tuesday through Saturday 681 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 3: ten to six, or just go to American Ancestors dot 682 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 3: org and sign up for a free account. And there 683 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 3: are things you have to be a member for Bradley, 684 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 3: but I mean you can get a lot just by 685 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 3: going on on our own website and checking it out. 686 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 2: Okay, And we didn't even get into the fact that 687 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 2: you were the chief genealogist for the Sons of the Revolution. 688 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'm chief genealogist for American ancestors and and I'm 689 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,720 Speaker 3: the state historian for the Sons of the American Revolution. 690 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 2: Do you have a quick story of a son of 691 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: the American Revolution Revolution? 692 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 3: I mean, we have people want to join all the time. 693 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 3: But the Boston Chapter, which I'm the vice president for, 694 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 3: I had a guy. 695 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: Come to me at work one time. 696 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 3: It says I'm related to John Adams, And I'm like, yeah, 697 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 3: sure you are, because I figured that you have a 698 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 3: great ancestor. Right, it's a common question, But actually no, 699 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 3: his grandfather was Charles Francis Adams from Raytheon. And actually 700 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 3: he is not just John Adams descendant, but John Quincy. 701 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 3: So when I brought him in for membership, I said, 702 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 3: would you like three descendants of someone who has patriotic 703 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 3: service and the Revolution? 704 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 2: Oh? 705 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, because that means you didn't fight, but you 706 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,959 Speaker 3: had something to contribute to related to John Adams, John Quinn, 707 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 3: John Quincy Adams, all the way down to his mother 708 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 3: who was an Adams, and his grandfather was Charles Francis Adams. 709 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 3: He lives down on the Cape and he and his 710 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 3: two sons joined up his members and so. 711 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 2: They were that, well, who is the patriotic service? John 712 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 2: Adams the president? Wow, so you rolled your eyes. You 713 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 2: were wrong on that one. Thank you so much, David Lambert. 714 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: You have many more stories I can tell, So we're 715 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 2: gonna have to have you back, and you're really good 716 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 2: on the radio. So thank you very much and the 717 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,280 Speaker 2: best to you and yours. Next up, what is punk