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Speaker 3: Not only do we have a lunar New Year and

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Speaker 3: of the Mardi Gras, but Dan Ray is back in

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Speaker 3: the host seat at Nightside after just a few nights

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Speaker 3: off a little bit of a Valentine's Day respite. Want

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Speaker 3: to thank Bradley Jay for sitting in Thursday night, Friday

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Speaker 3: night and Monday night. Now you have me back, folks,

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Speaker 3: you every night from eight to midnight right here on

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Speaker 3: WBZ Nightside with Dan Ray. And remember it is not

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Speaker 3: to participate as a listener and participate as a caller,

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Speaker 3: because nothing could be more boring than for me to

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Speaker 3: certainly sure you wouldn't want me to do that. Also,

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Speaker 3: back tonight after a night off. Last night is Rob Brooks,

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Speaker 3: the producer of this program. We have four intriguing guests.

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Speaker 3: I don't know I'm gonna be able to say they're

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Speaker 3: but those sometimes turn out to be the best guest

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Speaker 3: here on Nightside. We will talk at nine o'clock when

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Speaker 3: this is just guests. The first hour, four guests, we'll

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Speaker 3: talk about another kind of high profile convicted murderer released

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Speaker 3: by the Massachusetts Parole Board as a consequence of that

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Speaker 3: maddess decision of twenty twenty twenty four. Most of you

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Speaker 3: At nine o'clock. Then we're going to talk about problems

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Speaker 3: with public schools across America. And Nicholas Christoph wrote a

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Speaker 3: very interesting article in The New York Times which basically,

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Speaker 3: the performance of their students, but also the amount of

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Speaker 3: and California. We'll get to all of that, but first,

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Speaker 3: our first guest tonight is Daniel Greenfield. He's the CEO

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Speaker 3: of the David Horwitz Freedom Center. So, mister Greenfield, welcome

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Speaker 3: to Nightside. How are you, sir?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: The David Horwitz Freedom Center is named after the writer

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Speaker 3: and thinker David Horowitz who started out on the far

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Speaker 3: a very interesting progression. I assume that's the same David

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Speaker 3: Horowitz that that that we're talking about.

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Speaker 4: That is absolutely correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And the focus tonight is an article that you've written,

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Speaker 3: I believe about presidents in UFOs. And it's sort of

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Speaker 3: Saturday Night, former President Obama said that, Yeah, he kind

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Speaker 3: I think erupted and he kind of qualified. What is

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Speaker 4: No. They keep saying that there's little green man in

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Speaker 4: up UFOs. Yet every time, you know, we have president

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Speaker 4: He was also attacked by a rabbit.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, And he also lusted in his heart.

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Speaker 4: He lost it in his heart for rabbits in his

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Speaker 3: I don't think he was lestening after rabbits, but we'll

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Speaker 4: We have absolutely no ideas. The bottom line, it's complete speculation.

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Speaker 4: But what it's interesting is that presidents have gone into this.

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Speaker 4: The Clintons were really obsessed with UFOs, the chairman of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that the article that I read,

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Speaker 3: He was like the president who killed John Kennedy? President Kennedy? Uh,

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Speaker 4: Unless the UFOs killed JFK.

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Speaker 3: Again, your audio has dropped out of me. There are

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Speaker 4: No not, I said, unless the UFOs the little Greek

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Speaker 3: Yeah, your audio has come back brilliantly. Which is which is?

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Speaker 3: Which is great? Now? I joke on this program and

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Speaker 3: He's he's different. And I don't know if if you

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure Louisiana really is part of this planet.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure it's part of this country. James Carvill

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Speaker 3: Well, they are a different breed of people. There is

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Speaker 4: Well, we have seen poor people get elected to Congress.

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Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people get there and they just

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Speaker 3: because even though we've never been able to impose term limits,

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Speaker 3: you seem like a bright guy. Daniel Greenfield, I appreciate

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Speaker 3: your time here. And CEO of the David Horowitz Freedom

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Speaker 3: I always ask this of my guests, Daniel, if there's

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I'm the author of Domestic Enemies, which is

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Speaker 4: a book about early American history. The first hundred years

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Speaker 4: of this country were far crazier, far more bizarre than

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't have the Internet of those days, and

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Speaker 3: deep and deep into the history books. Danie Greenfield, appreciate

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Speaker 3: All right, we get back. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: Raphael Scalzi, the director of the Boston Wine Expo. This

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Speaker 3: and there will be over one hundred international wineries represented here.

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Speaker 3: It is becoming a bigger and bigger event in Boston

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 3: Well, those of us who live in Boston know that

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Speaker 3: Boston is quickly emerging as a food and wine destination,

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Speaker 3: and we have in the b bustin the Boston Wine Expo.

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Speaker 3: With us is the director of the Boston Wine Expo,

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Speaker 3: Rafael Scalzi. Rafael, welcome to Night Side. How are you.

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Speaker 3: You're very welcome. How long has the Boston Wine Expo

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Speaker 3: Titanic saying, just to put it in perspective, where did

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Speaker 3: the Boston Wine Expo arrive.

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Speaker 5: So the Boston Wine Expo has been a part of

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Speaker 5: the city of Boston since nineteen ninety and I've had

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Speaker 3: Okay, so nearly well thirty six years old at this point,

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Speaker 3: How long has it been really cooking here in Barston?

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Speaker 3: How many years?

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Speaker 5: So the past four years it's been cooking at the

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Speaker 5: longer around anymore. They knocked that building down. So twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so ben at the Park Plaza since twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: Sell it. Raphael, Well, hey, I'm glad you asked. So

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Speaker 3: well at least on Sunday, that's for sure. No tickets

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Speaker 3: on Sunday, I believe anyway, thanks so much. You're good sport. Rafael.

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Speaker 3: Rafael Scalzi, the director of the Boston Wine Expell appreciate

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Speaker 5: Thank you, appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Very welcome. When we get back, we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: Field guide for those who have mastered the art of

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Speaker 3: detachment while quietly unraveling. This is one I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, it's Night Side with Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 3: Well delighted to welcome Charlie O'Neil, Charles O'Neil. He has

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Speaker 4: You knew you.

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Speaker 2: I haven't decided who I am. You know that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you I'm going through the same process.

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Speaker 3: I totally identify with that. Trust me, you're.

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Speaker 2: Glad to be here. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Well, my pleasure, my pleasure. You're in North America's back porch.

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Speaker 3: Cool on the outside screaming on the inside. And it's

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Speaker 3: What are we talking about here? I didn't. I have

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Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, sir. The book is really about authenticity in

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Speaker 3: Now. Obviously, I assume when you write a book like this,

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Speaker 2: I try, I'll see that. I think you guys have

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Speaker 3: How did how did you come to this realization? I mean,

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Speaker 2: Starting from childhood, in this country right now and particularly

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Speaker 3: Okay, So so your book the title is you Cool

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure that I fully understand this

436
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Speaker 3: because I can be driving a car and have some knucklehead,

437
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Speaker 3: you know, pull out in front of you, and you

438
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Speaker 3: really want to scream, but you can't do that because

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Speaker 3: at this point you never know who has a gun,

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Speaker 3: who's crazier than you. Okay, So therefore you have to

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Speaker 3: remain cool for self preservation. When your boss tells you

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Speaker 3: something that you you don't agree with, in most instances,

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Speaker 3: you have to say, okay, let me think about that

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Speaker 3: at least, or yeah, I'll try to do that when

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Speaker 3: you want to say whatever, So is that cool on

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Speaker 3: the outside screaming on the inside. Or if you're having

447
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Speaker 3: an argument with your wife and you just know you're right,

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Speaker 3: you know you you might win the argument, but you'll

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Speaker 3: lose you'll lose in the long way.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to bring my wife into it, I

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Speaker 2: have no.

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Speaker 3: She's lovely.

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Speaker 2: She's a lovely girl.

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Speaker 3: Is that? What is that what we're talking about here?

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Speaker 3: Do you think?

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Speaker 2: Well, a little bit. We have to wear. We have

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Speaker 2: to be somewhat different people in different situations, right. I

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Speaker 2: Mean a great example to me is the workplace. If

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Speaker 2: you go in and you bring all your vulnerabilities and

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Speaker 2: your insecurities and your existential anguish to work, you're going

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Speaker 2: to be at odd trouble at the office. No one's

462
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Speaker 2: you know, you're going to fail. So you know, work

463
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Speaker 2: is not an emotional support system, right, So we have

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Speaker 2: to have this little editor on our shoulder, sort of

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Speaker 2: an internal filter that help us navigate our way around

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Speaker 2: the world. So I think, to your example, yes, that's

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Speaker 2: a great example. You you may bee maybe really upset

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Speaker 2: about that driver and I met him through downtown Congress

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Speaker 2: Street just the other day. You're talking to the BMW,

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Speaker 2: the red one with the dents on. Yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 2: he uh, you know, he gets everybody upset, but he's

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Speaker 2: still driving. I don't know what to tell you about that. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: we have to learn how to put a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a veneer over some of our behavior. We can't

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Speaker 2: run around having a battle in public between our ego

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Speaker 2: and our id and and and go crazy all the time.

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Speaker 2: But I think what we can do is trying to

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Speaker 2: reaffirm the desire to get back to act, you know,

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Speaker 2: believing in the things we want to believe in, thinking

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Speaker 2: about the things we want to we want to think about,

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Speaker 2: not letting everyone else tell us what to do and

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Speaker 2: who to be. That's what it comes down to. So

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Speaker 2: who are we what what we tolerate? And I think

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Speaker 2: knowing what that is is cool. And uh again, I

485
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Speaker 2: think people going to work, it's helpful to know who

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Speaker 2: you are so that you're not thrown off center by

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Speaker 2: every event that takes place at the office, which I

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Speaker 2: think is one of the big things these days. Everyone

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Speaker 2: talks about AI disrupting jobs. People have a lot of

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Speaker 2: stress at the office. You know, you got a lot

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Speaker 2: of stress to read something today that's sorry, go.

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Speaker 4: Ahead, no good.

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Speaker 3: A lot of stress everywhere, Well there.

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Speaker 2: Is, there's plenty of stress. And now you have people

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Speaker 2: working in big companies whose bosses are telling them your

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Speaker 2: jobs are going to replace by AI. And then they

497
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Speaker 2: wonder why everyone is losing productivity and why everyone's stressed

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Speaker 2: out and unhappy. Well, excuse me, you got it out.

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Speaker 3: Management Screaming on the industry a monetized guide to projecting

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Speaker 3: stability with style. It's also a field guide for those

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Speaker 3: who have mastered the art of detachment well quietly unraveling.

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Speaker 3: I know it's a long title. It's an ebook. Where

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Speaker 3: can they get it? Right now? Amazon?

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Speaker 2: It's on Amazon right now. And also you can order

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Speaker 2: a hard copy, either either a paperback or hard copy

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Speaker 2: at bookstores.

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Speaker 3: This is your first book?

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Speaker 2: Those are available.

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Speaker 3: Have you read it?

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Speaker 5: Is?

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Speaker 2: It's the first book I published. No, I've written a

512
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Speaker 2: lot in business and I says and so forth, but

513
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Speaker 2: it is my first book. It is a herculean cask.

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Speaker 2: You've done books, you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: No, I've never written a book. You kidding me. I

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Speaker 3: don't have time to write a book. I do twenty

517
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Speaker 3: hours of radio a week, which which mandates about sixty

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Speaker 3: hours of prep per week. I don't have time to

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Speaker 3: write letters anymore. But so my hat's ay.

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Speaker 2: Who doesn't write books? You're pretty well known for your journalism.

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Speaker 2: Let me put it that way.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know thirty one years in TV in nineteen

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Speaker 3: and radio and as a talk show host. Will kind

524
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Speaker 3: of do that, but sometime we should talk about the process,

525
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Speaker 3: because I do. At some point I want to leave

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Speaker 3: some sort of a memoir of all the people I've

527
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Speaker 3: met in the circumstances that I found myself in, and

528
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Speaker 3: may maybe there'll be an opportunity if I maintain my sanity.

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Speaker 3: You obviously are maintaining your sanity, and I envy you

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Speaker 3: for it. Charlie o'deane, Well, thank you much, Maverick. Okay, pleasure, Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Jarley, have a good night by me too.

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Speaker 3: When we get back, we're going to talk with Henry

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Speaker 3: Shandonay Hope I pronounced that correctly. He's a business news

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Speaker 3: reporter for Business Insider. Interesting study, Uh, they ask people

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Speaker 3: to choose between two jobs, a remote job and one

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty k are an in the office job

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Speaker 3: at two forty k twice the amount. The results closer

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Speaker 3: than expected. Back on night Side right after the break.

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Speaker 1: It's night Side with Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 3: Delighted to welcome Henry Shandonay, business news reporter for Business Insiders.

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Speaker 3: Did I get the last name? Kind of close? Henry?

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Speaker 2: I hope you got it.

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Speaker 3: Very much. See that then that high school French sometimes

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Speaker 3: comes into into play. Business Insider readers were asked to

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Speaker 3: vote on whether they would take a job a remote

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Speaker 3: job doing the same thing for one hundred and twenty k,

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Speaker 3: which is, you know, that's that's pretty good about you know,

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Speaker 3: twenty two hundred dollars a week or twice that two

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty k as an ind office job. And

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Speaker 3: the results were closer than people expected. What did you

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Speaker 3: think the results would be?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I expected that you'd take double the salary, right,

553
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Speaker 6: everybody wants more money, And it turned out to be

554
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Speaker 6: almost split down the middle, with actually one more person

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Speaker 6: choosing the virtual option for half the salary, which was surprising.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a there's a thing about it. The more

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Speaker 3: money you make, the more you pay in taxes.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 3: There is that factor. Okay, if you can live on

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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty. I am broadcasting remotely and have

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Speaker 3: been doing so since COVID, so I used to drive

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Speaker 3: in to the studio for years and years and years. Now,

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Speaker 3: as someone who's remote, I don't have to drive round

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Speaker 3: trip thirty miles every day. I can at the end

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Speaker 3: of the show, go downstairs and have a beer, and

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Speaker 3: you'll watch a little bit of TV or something and

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Speaker 3: go to bed and not worry about driving, which which

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Speaker 3: is a which is a factor. So it's it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: What were the reasons that those who went for the

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Speaker 3: for the for the for the the the less money

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Speaker 3: for the one hundred and twenty thousand dollars, which is

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Speaker 3: a good salary. You know, if you live in New

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Speaker 3: York City, that may not be a great salary, but

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Speaker 3: most anywhere in the country one hundred and twenty thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars is not jump change. Well, was the reason just convenience?

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Speaker 3: Was that it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I heard a lot about commute right The commuting

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Speaker 6: to the office is a strain. You also hear just

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Speaker 6: about the comfort.

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Speaker 3: Of the home. Right.

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Speaker 6: I spoke to one person who boarded dogs in her

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Speaker 6: home and she needed to be able to take care

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Speaker 6: of them. I also spoke to people right who they

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Speaker 6: would take the virtual option to be able to move

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Speaker 6: out of an expensive city like New York.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: I One person that I spoke to taught at a

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Speaker 6: community college in the Bay Area, which is kind of

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Speaker 6: notoriously a really high cost of living space, and she said,

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Speaker 6: if I could work fully virtual, I would leave the

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Speaker 6: Bay Area. Okay, it's a really personal choice, right, and

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Speaker 6: it depends off of kind of who you live with,

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Speaker 6: what your priorities are, and how much you value if

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Speaker 6: that makes even your personal space.

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Speaker 3: Now, now let me ask you, Samy, what do you

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Speaker 3: think the business trend is? You write for a magazine

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Speaker 3: called business Insiders, So therefore I'm going to make you

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Speaker 3: a business insider here hit everybody remembers twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 3: by March there were a lot of people who were

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Speaker 3: being old if they could work from home. And of

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Speaker 3: course eventually covid has never gone away. It's never going

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Speaker 3: to go away. It's always going to be around in

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Speaker 3: some form of fashion, and it might pick up some

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Speaker 3: some winters, who knows. At least that's what I believe

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Speaker 3: and what I've read, But a lot of people who

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Speaker 3: the company was very happy to have them go home.

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Speaker 3: Now the company's trying to drag people back. What a

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Speaker 3: business is doing at this point too? Are they allowing

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Speaker 3: people to stay home generally or are they basically knuckling

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Speaker 3: them and putting some pressure on them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a mix. It depends where you work. Right,

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Speaker 6: We've seen this kind of mass movement to rto or

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Speaker 6: return to office, especially this year. I would say that

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Speaker 6: a lot of especially white collar workers are facing right.

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Speaker 6: You talk it to people that work in big tech

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Speaker 6: or in consulting or in other industries like that, and

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Speaker 6: a lot of them are really facing five day return

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Speaker 6: to office mandates. Places also still have flexibility, right, and

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Speaker 6: you can choose which days you go in person, or

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Speaker 6: you have a hybrid schedule and you can go in

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Speaker 6: some days and stay home the other days. It really

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Speaker 6: depends on the workplace. I also, by the way, have

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Speaker 6: spoken to many business owners who say, I don't want

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Speaker 6: to stay pay for the office space, or I don't

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Speaker 6: really see the benefit of having everybody come in person.

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Speaker 6: People work better from home, and maybe they actually choose

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Speaker 6: to keep everybody virtual. So it's a real mix.

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Speaker 3: And do you think that we have gotten to the

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Speaker 3: point where the companies that are trying to compel people

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Speaker 3: to come back to the office. Have we reached a

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Speaker 3: point where pretty much we have struck that balance, or

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Speaker 3: do you think that there will be another push, because

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Speaker 3: my sense is that the push has somewhat abated in

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Speaker 3: recent months.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it depends on the industry is the

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Speaker 6: first thing I would say, right, the depending on what

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Speaker 6: your job looks like that really determined when you went

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Speaker 6: back in person. I think that also it depends on

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Speaker 6: kind of your corporate culture.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 6: We have Business insider are often reporting on this kind

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Speaker 6: of hardcore work culture that has come back with CEOs

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Speaker 6: really wanting everybody to be in person and together and

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Speaker 6: really putting their heads down and working these long hours.

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Speaker 6: And in that kind of corporate culture, I think there

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Speaker 6: still is probably room to grow, not as speaking from

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Speaker 6: people that I've spoken to, but just kind of a prediction.

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Speaker 6: I do also think right that a lot of companies

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Speaker 6: have already had returned to office mandates. A lot of

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Speaker 6: other bosses have kind of started a foot in the

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Speaker 6: ground and said no, I'm sticking with this, So maybe

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Speaker 6: we are reaching It's difficult to tell.

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Speaker 3: Have there been any definitive studies on productivity, which which

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Speaker 3: which have basically settled the argument, or are they still

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Speaker 3: in either in process or in development.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there are experts all across the field who will

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Speaker 6: tell you different things.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 6: Nick Bloom is a great researcher at Stanford.

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Speaker 2: He has some studies about the.

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Speaker 6: Productivity gains of being virtual or being hybrid. You can

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Speaker 6: go to other universities or other research bases and see

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Speaker 6: people who will say, like in person, work has collaboration

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Speaker 6: and it fosters connection and you build your friendships. So

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Speaker 6: it depends on the study absolutely well.

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Speaker 3: Henry Shondonay, thank you so much. Business reporter for Business Insider.

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Speaker 3: How can people follow your work?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you can subscribe to Business Insider. We publish some

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Speaker 6: really great stuff. Me and all my colleagues. I'm obviously

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Speaker 6: also on socials and not constantly promoting my work and

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Speaker 6: constantly looking for people to tell me new things about

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Speaker 6: the workplace and about their jobs.

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Speaker 2: So reach out to me sounds great.

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Speaker 3: Henry, appreciate it very much. Henry Shandonay C H A

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Speaker 3: N N N E T Business Inside, our business news reporter. Thanks, Henry,

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Speaker 3: appreciate your time tonight.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: A good night, very welcome.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back right after the nine o'clock news and

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about another what I would consider

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Speaker 3: to be high profile first degree murderer set free by

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Speaker 3: the Mass Parole Board because of the ill conceived, maddest decision.

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Speaker 3: Right after the nine o'clock news