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Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham, the great American welcome this Monday afternoon of

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Speaker 1: the tri State March. Mad is ain't what it used

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Speaker 1: to be. No UC, no Xavier, no NKU. Will follow

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Speaker 1: Miami Wednesday night about nine to fifteen, nine thirty pm

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Speaker 1: to see what happens there. One thing I took interest

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Speaker 1: in is that there was another attempt at street takeover

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. I guess about forty people and involving sixty

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Speaker 1: five cars street takeover and the headline of the inquire

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Speaker 1: is the following Cincinnati Police, Ken Cober, that would be you,

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Speaker 1: arrested thirty nine people and towed more than five dozen

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Speaker 1: cars after drivers zigzag through the city donuts, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: drag racing and blocking traffic, et cetera. And officers intercepted

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Speaker 1: a group of about one hundred drivers at several locations

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Speaker 1: across the city the night of Saturday, March fourteenth, which

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Speaker 1: was Saturday early Sunday morning. And according to arrest documents,

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Speaker 1: just give us this skill of what happened Saturday night

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Speaker 1: Sunday morning, because this thing is but below the radar

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Speaker 1: largely what happened, Ken Cober.

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Speaker 2: So we had some information that there were a bunch

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Speaker 2: of people that are going to be coming from Columbus.

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Speaker 2: It was actually well advertised on some social media platforms

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Speaker 2: that they were going to do this street takeover and

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Speaker 2: it was dubbed as the Columbus to Cincinnati takeover. So

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Speaker 2: is of course, as these people start convening upon Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: you know, all the officers in the city knew what

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Speaker 2: was going on. There were traffic stops that were made

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Speaker 2: for reckless driving before any of this even started. There

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Speaker 2: are people that fled from the State Patrol. There were

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Speaker 2: people driving like absolute morons up and down Adams on

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Speaker 2: the West End or the west side of Cincinnati, East

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Speaker 2: side of Cincinnati downtown, and eventually we were able to

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Speaker 2: corral them all where they their meeting point at Woodward

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Speaker 2: High School. At that point, you know, thankfully we had

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Speaker 2: enough resources working that they were able to put out

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Speaker 2: some stopsticks to keep people from fleeing.

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Speaker 3: And the end result of that.

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Speaker 2: Was thirty nine arrests so far, and I'm guessing that

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Speaker 2: there's probably going to be at least a dozen more

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Speaker 1: Uh one Number one is like CIA intelligence, So the

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Speaker 1: Columbus is Cincinnati takeover one hundred drivers well organized planned

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Speaker 1: an event. How in the world were you how many

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Speaker 1: officers were involved in this detail? It would have to

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Speaker 1: be dozens and dozens. You just can't stop one hundred

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Speaker 1: people with two cars. How'd you plan this?

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Speaker 2: Well, what they ended up doing is, you know, they

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Speaker 2: knew where they were going to meet, so it was

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Speaker 2: a matter of just monitoring where.

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Speaker 3: These people were.

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Speaker 2: And so they get to their meeting location, they get

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Speaker 2: to Woodward High School, well there's limited you know, points

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Speaker 2: of entry and exit into Woodward High School. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: the simple answer has put out stop sticks at the

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Speaker 2: exits and if.

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Speaker 3: They want to drive over them in flatten their tires,

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Speaker 3: they're not going to go very far.

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Speaker 2: But that was the that was the plan that was

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Speaker 2: developed to keep these people from fleeing, so they couldn't

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Speaker 2: go out on the street and cause mass chaos like

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Speaker 2: that's been done many times before.

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Speaker 1: This isn't the first time, correct, There's been several especially

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Speaker 1: at the banks. I can recall that the street takeover,

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Speaker 1: which is fun unless you get hit by a car,

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Speaker 1: unless you're driving around I seventy five maybe at midnight,

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Speaker 1: it's not fun. And so this wasn't a one off.

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Speaker 1: This has been going on for a while.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is something that of course, you know, going

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Speaker 2: into warmer weather, you know, this is kind of a

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Speaker 2: spring in summer activity. We saw, of course a reprieve

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Speaker 2: in the wintertime. But this is something that we are

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Speaker 2: taking absolutely seriously. I mean, you see how these people drive.

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Speaker 2: I know they're recovered. You know, at least they are

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Speaker 2: three guns that were recovered based off of different traffic stops.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: There was a woman there with an infant to take

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Speaker 2: in these these sites where these people are driving recklessly,

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Speaker 2: and it's only a matter of time before one of

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Speaker 2: these people are going to lose control and they're going

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Speaker 1: In other markets, it's happened in La and San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: It's a big deal. Bystanders are killed or injured. Could

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Speaker 1: have happened to Cincinnati. I won't talk about the intelligence,

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Speaker 1: but hopefully this will be an impediment to future activities.

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Speaker 1: The concern I have is here, we sit here about

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Speaker 1: a little afternoon and there were two cases I understand

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Speaker 1: then there's thirty seven or forty more in about twenty

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Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt, especially when the vast majority of

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Speaker 2: these people aren't from Cincinnati. We will have an officer

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Speaker 2: There'll be another one there at twelve thirty. And I'm

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Speaker 2: just waiting to hear how many people didn't show up

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Speaker 2: I will be surprised because they were all given thousand

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Speaker 2: in Columbus, and who knows, they may not show back up.

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Speaker 1: What happens to the cars?

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Speaker 2: So right now they're toad they're in the impound lot.

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Speaker 2: They're being held because I know we've got investigators that

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Speaker 2: are going through tons of footage through social media, balance cameras,

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Speaker 2: to make more arrest as a result of this, because

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Speaker 2: the law is very clear for street racing in Ohio,

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Speaker 2: the Higher Revised Code, and there's a subsection there that

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Speaker 2: says you just have to be a participant.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to be a driver. You could be

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Speaker 3: a passenger, you could.

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Speaker 2: Be somebody sitting there videotape in it so you can

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Speaker 2: put it on social media. You could be one handed

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Speaker 2: out popcorn. If you are a participate in any manner,

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Speaker 2: then you are considered guilty of this section. And that's

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Speaker 2: exactly what these officers are going to do. They're going

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Speaker 2: to go around, They're going to identify more people and there.

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Speaker 3: Will be more charges.

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Speaker 1: Why don't they charged with felonies because it appears they're

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Speaker 1: all misdemeanors. There's a Rico violation, which is when three

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Speaker 1: or more persons get together to violate the law. That's

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Speaker 1: a felony. I think inducing panic, that's a felony. Why

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Speaker 2: I think anything else, especially when you get into like

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Speaker 2: Rico's statutes. That's something that typically we get advice from

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Speaker 2: the prosecutor's office because of those, you know, the prosecutor's

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Speaker 2: to to make a case such as that. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: want to add additional charges the prosecutor's office, they can

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Speaker 2: have at it. I certainly welcome it, because ultimately, what

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Speaker 1: The forty or so that's currently been arrested more to come.

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Speaker 1: I take it most of from outside this community. And

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Speaker 1: assuming they don't want the cars, are the cars auctioned off?

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Speaker 1: What happens? Many have split tires, they can't move. Is

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Speaker 1: that an impediment to these guys? Or may I say

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Speaker 1: you can go steal more cars and simply do it again?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, ultimately, what's going to happen is if

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Speaker 2: you have somebody that was you know, the car is

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Speaker 2: not stolen. You know the police are going to keep it.

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Speaker 2: Once they've met the legal threshold, they'll apply for a

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Speaker 2: salvage title and that they'll option these cars off. You know, Ultimately,

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Speaker 2: what we want people to do is just not come

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Speaker 2: here and do this foolishness. Eighty five percent of these

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Speaker 2: people involved in this were not from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: That's a problem.

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Speaker 2: Somehow Cincinnati has become a destination to come and engage

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Speaker 2: in this foolishness. And that's why I got with Counselman

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Speaker 2: Jeffreys yesterday talked to several other council members to put

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Speaker 2: forth an ordinance that makes this more of a deterrent.

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Speaker 2: Hold onto these cars for six months like Louisville does,

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Speaker 2: hold on to it for six months. They have to

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Speaker 2: pay the fees, they have to pay the toe, all

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Speaker 2: this stuff for six months until they get their car back. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's that's something that will be a turrent.

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Speaker 1: Do you think possibly the court system here is so

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Speaker 1: lax that individuals around the Midwest, one that picks Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: assuming they get out quickly and you're saying this morning too,

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Speaker 1: or let go quickly on one hundred dollars, two hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars in you'ar out only misdemeanors and they don't care.

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Speaker 1: They picked Cincinnati because of the lax judges we have, Oh,

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Speaker 1: without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: That's why I had asked counsel to create an ordinance

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Speaker 2: and makes it a civil as to civil violation. It

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Speaker 2: takes it out of the court's hands, takes it out

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Speaker 2: of some judges hands.

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Speaker 3: That goes or just guys are just trying to have fun. No,

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Speaker 3: this is nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Someone is going to get killed because of this and

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Speaker 2: if they're not going to take it seriously, then we

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Speaker 2: have to make such a deterrent from the civil side

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Speaker 2: that people just aren't going to want to come here

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens down the road. We're going to

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Speaker 1: follow these cases and I'm going to find out the

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Speaker 1: judges involved. I've given out names of judges before. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to keep doing it because they have to take

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Speaker 1: an approach that our community is worth saving. When you

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Speaker 1: have sixty two percent or so increase in shootings in

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Speaker 1: the first couple months of this year, not counting Riverfront Live,

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Speaker 1: when you have judges handing out bonds to people shooting

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Speaker 1: other people and getting out when you have knuckleheads. The

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Speaker 1: the judges dismissed the cases. It sends the message it's

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Speaker 1: like wide open crime in Cincinnati, which historically has not

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Speaker 1: been the case. Whatsoever, do you think we're geting a

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Speaker 1: bad reputation among the criminal element that Cincinnati is the

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Speaker 1: place to go to commit crime because the judges seemingly

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Speaker 1: don't care.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, people are seeing it. And ultimately what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen. It's going to tank the economy. That

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Speaker 2: people don't feel safe to come here, to go see

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Speaker 2: then this city is going to suffer greatly, you know

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Speaker 2: the most. The safest cities in the United States are

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Speaker 2: the ones that of course prosper the most because people

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Speaker 2: want to come there, people want to live there, people

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Speaker 2: want to spend their money there, and unfortunately we're going

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Speaker 2: the wrong direction right now. It needs the course needs

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Speaker 2: to be corrected, very very quickly.

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Speaker 1: The most one of the more absurd findings is Shaquille Ferguson.

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Speaker 1: Shaquille Ferguson was a twenty four year old man. At

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Speaker 1: twenty four, I was barely getting out of college, ready

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Speaker 1: to go to law school. Brian eyed and bushy tail.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four years old. He shoots someone on the North Side,

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Speaker 1: gets out on a bond, which would have been impossible

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Speaker 1: and the good old days, if you use a gun

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Speaker 1: getting out he shoots somebody in Northside, gets out, then

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Speaker 1: gets into some freaks with two people in a chicken

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Speaker 1: And then a bunch of charges are fouled by Cincinni police,

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Speaker 1: and within a couple of weeks all the charges are dismissed.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain that one.

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Speaker 3: They find them not guilty. Okay, we lived with it.

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Speaker 2: But not even getting to that point is the thing

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Speaker 1: This one, especially including shooting Cincinnati Live and the judge

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Speaker 1: That's disgusting. You bring up downtown and I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: You guessed it, cry It is just it. It's like

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Speaker 2: Am I going to go someplace where I might get

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Speaker 1: This so called straight takeovers is an example of the

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Speaker 1: another street takeover. That's the message being sent. And when

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Speaker 1: it is reality. The reality is Cincinnati is not safe.

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Speaker 1: Business leaders have said so, gun uses rampant, and warm

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Speaker 1: it does. Now. Lastly, I've scheduled tomorrow. I spoke to

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Speaker 2: I think it's absolutely fantastic. There's there's no way that

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Speaker 2: And those are things that just it should be a

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Speaker 1: You think of a woman or a man, the spouse

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Speaker 1: But within about two days or one day of the

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Speaker 1: Is it a bad idea not to show when emotions

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Speaker 1: Rodney Hinton's viewpoint probably not that somehow that's bad procedure

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is part of the city administration is well,

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Speaker 2: we've got to be transparent. We've got to be transparent.

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Speaker 2: Well in cases like this. I don't know that this

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Speaker 3: So hopefully they will.

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Speaker 2: Think twice the next you know, the next time that

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Speaker 3: But just just to show them that and then let

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Speaker 2: The community is certainly certainly problematic, and I hope, I

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately it will, and the hint And family should not

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Speaker 1: Ken Kober, Maybe I'll give you a call in an

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Speaker 3: As soon as I know, I'll give you a full report.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 1: God bless America, ken Kober, Thank you very much. Let's

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Speaker 1: and more coming up later will be a report from Israel.

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