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Speaker 1: Seven oh six, a thinky about KRSD talk station, busy

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Speaker 1: weekend for law enforcement downtown Cincinnati and joining the fifty

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Speaker 1: five KRCE Morning Show. Perfect timing on this FOP President

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Speaker 1: Ken Kobe, representing the sincint Police Department's Union. Ken, it's

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure having you on the show, and sorry

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Speaker 1: for the subject matter. I didn't have anything to do

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Speaker 1: the weekend in downtown since they is the problem violence

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Speaker 1: or is it the problem messaging? Which was the message

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Speaker 1: that we got from the elected officials after the survey

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Speaker 1: came out from residents about their priorities and where they

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Speaker 1: feel they'd been left down. Ken, good to have you

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Speaker 1: back on the show, sir.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Brian. Thanks for having me now. It

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Speaker 2: was a pretty busy and pretty violent weekend in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: I mean there were several shootings every night, including a

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Speaker 2: homicide of a fifteen year old kid. And it's first

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Speaker 2: first warm weekend. As soon as you saw the forecast,

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Speaker 2: just figured that this was going to be exactly what

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Speaker 1: And isn't it a sad thing that you can just

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Speaker 1: pick as soon as the temperature gets more and people

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Speaker 1: waiting around for the temperatures to warm up so they

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Speaker 1: can go make good on their threats or whatever. I

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Speaker 1: just don't get this.

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 1: I just tell you, brother, I am just quite frustrated

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Speaker 1: this morning with everything's going on in the world. It's

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Speaker 1: like it feels like I'm overwhelmed. But this violence is inexcusable.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to pivot over to the whole street

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Speaker 1: takeover that took place on Glen WAYN in clas Warsaw.

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Speaker 1: Are you aware of that, because if you look at

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Speaker 1: local news reporting, you wouldn't even know what happened.

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Speaker 2: Ken, Yeah, you know. Unfortunately, and this has become the

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Speaker 2: reoccurring theme with these juveniles. Either you get one hundred

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Speaker 2: and what ends up happening with this And thankfully it

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Speaker 2: then parents are wondering, oh my gosh, how did this happen? Well,

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Speaker 2: it happened because you don't know where your kids are. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you let them run around, You let them just create

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Speaker 2: You know, typically it happened down at the banks. You know,

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Speaker 2: they'll they'll drop off two hundred kids gun at small

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Speaker 2: lot of these are young kids, twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old,

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Speaker 2: and it's just something that you know, until these parents

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Speaker 2: to be the reoccurring theme all summer, oh.

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Speaker 1: And on into the future. Then I think we all

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Speaker 2: Ken. Yeah, I mean, it's it's a shame that we

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Speaker 2: see these things happen, but we see at anytime there's

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Speaker 2: And you know, I just cringe at the thought of

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Speaker 1: Well, and it sounds like a bold statement. You are

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Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati because they have these events all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, very well could happen. But I mean

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Speaker 2: now for kids being out after curfew, you know, engaging

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Speaker 1: Well, once they kick the punishment phase out of law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: And with I think social media is part of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, I mean, you look at

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Speaker 2: The amount of resources that it takes to corral these

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Speaker 2: We're down about one hundred right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you got a hundred fewer offices we would have

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Speaker 2: No, no, you're absolutely right. You know, whether that's these kids'

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Speaker 1: Oh for one of parents out there that actually cares.

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Speaker 1: You pointed out the outset and now this curfew. Someone

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Speaker 1: confused on that one, Ken Cover.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, there is a curfew that's that's city

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Speaker 2: the sole thing that they're doing is violating curfew. The

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Speaker 2: Like I said, we'll get them, We'll get them some

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Speaker 1: Point but you say the police are not allowed to

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Speaker 2: They could Because the laws haven't changed. The policy is

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Speaker 2: not the law. So yeah, I mean the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: If it's curfew only, we're not taking them, So figure

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Speaker 2: And that's that's why we're in the situation we're in

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Speaker 1: So the law says you can process them criminally, and

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Speaker 1: the policy in the practice is no, we won't do that.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you is there a name behind the

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Speaker 1: law itself has not changed, Ken.

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Speaker 2: Well, these are policies that have been set by city hall,

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Speaker 2: whether it's counsel of the city manager. They're the ones

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Speaker 1: And if the chief does not abide and continues to

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Speaker 1: the chief faces removal from office exactly. Oh, maybe we

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Speaker 1: figured out what happened to police Chief Diji Ken. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Ken Cobert, you have a difficult job on

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Speaker 1: your hands.

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Speaker 2: You have.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on the Borning Show and

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Speaker 1: talking to my listeners, to me about this, and we're

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Speaker 1: can take away from this one. The policy, there's no accountability,

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Speaker 2: No, you're absolutely right, and that's that's the hard part is,

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Speaker 2: you know, between all the shootings that occurred, they're trying

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Speaker 2: guess if we've going to prioritize violence, I guess I

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Speaker 2: guess the multiple shootings that occurred is what's gonna going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the story about the gunshot wounded the head and

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Speaker 1: lower Price Hill, just print those now. The problem is, Ken,

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Speaker 1: I think you know it. The kids that are involved

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Speaker 1: to create chaos. Those kids ultimately become the people behind

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Speaker 1: the triggers in these other instances.

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Speaker 2: With a doubt, you know, they dip their toe in

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Speaker 2: escalates further and further and further until of course they're

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Speaker 1: Well on behalf of all my listeners, my executive producer

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Speaker 1: Joe Chaker, and myself, we truly appreciate the since a

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Speaker 1: police department of the work that they're doing in spite

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Speaker 1: of the policies that you have to follow. As bad

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Speaker 1: as it is for our society generally speaking, we all

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Speaker 1: know where the blame is. And you know what, in fact,

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Speaker 1: things like this I think are going to boost the

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Speaker 1: Maybe it'll boost the cooperation between the citizenry and the

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Speaker 1: don't know though, with parents dropping their children off for

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Speaker 1: these crazy activities, we may have been we're just maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe the horses escape the barn and it's too late.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Ken Kober. You're always welcome here in

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Speaker 1: the fifty five Casey Mornish and I appreciate your talking

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Speaker 1: with me and my listeners today. Thank you, sir for

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Speaker 1: what you do.

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Speaker 2: Sure thanks for having me Brian anytime,