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Speaker 2: By the way, nothing has ever been worse than that Manning.

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Speaker 1: the McLaughlin group. Josana Anderson of a lot of places,

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Speaker 1: Get your calls in now eight three to three four

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Speaker 1: It's down to whether Rogers's wrist will permit him to play,

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Speaker 1: Like that guy said, with divisional games coming up, not

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Speaker 2: Pierre.

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Speaker 1: That felt like a relatively big win Sunday at Stockholm.

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Speaker 1: The Penguins had been treading sludge for a bit. But

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Speaker 1: Morishav got that shot out on Sunday and he played

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Speaker 2: Why is sid scoring more?

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Speaker 1: That let's stay with that, because I think you're onto something, Pierre.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Sid hasn't been able to adjust to

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Speaker 4: I've been friends with them a long time. It's easier

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Speaker 4: The game needs to be a little bit slower. People

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Speaker 4: the honor of coaching and Pittsburgh, and also Mike Stuthers,

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Speaker 4: who I watched playing coached against when he was playing.

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Speaker 4: I think both those guys have helped all the defects

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Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh and they deserve a pat on the back,

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Speaker 4: both those guys.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an elite coaching staff under Muse here

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, and I think they're reaping the benefit from that.

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Speaker 1: Here's the maybe the biggest story, uh, Pierre. The PK

441
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Speaker 1: is number four in the league and the power play

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Speaker 1: is number one. What's making those two units tick well?

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Speaker 4: Nellie will problem with Todd Nelson will probably take charge

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Speaker 4: of the power play, and I'm sure Southers and Coach

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Speaker 4: News are going to be a big part of the

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Speaker 4: and Nick Benino be a big part of the penalty kill.

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Speaker 4: You know, News did a real good job in New

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Speaker 4: York with the penalty kill. He and Michael Pecker worked

449
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Speaker 4: together and they were very good on the penalty kill

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Speaker 4: with the Rangers. So robbyo Lette was there, and I

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Speaker 4: would say that, so those are the guys in the

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Speaker 4: PK in Pittsburgh, and then obviously Nelly would be a

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Speaker 4: big part. Todd Nelson would be a huge part of

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Speaker 4: the power play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they're keeping it simple in the

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Speaker 1: power play. And here's an underestimated thing, Pierre, and I

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Speaker 1: bet it's something you stressed as a coach. They get

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Speaker 1: clears on the PK. You know a lot of the

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Speaker 1: stuff with the PK. They do everything but get the

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Speaker 1: clear right. And the Penguins are getting the clears right.

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Speaker 1: They're they're really hitting the white spots, those creases where

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Speaker 1: the puck can get out.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a really smart statement and it's actually factual,

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Speaker 4: which is really cool that you would say that. But

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Speaker 4: here's here's the big there's there's certain things that are

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Speaker 4: not negotiab on the penalty kill. One, win the initial

467
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Speaker 4: draw right. Two, when you do win, it clear to

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Speaker 4: Mark's points. Three, make sure you're always in the lane physically,

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Speaker 4: so don't let tucks get through you to the net,

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Speaker 4: and if they do, make sure everybody boxes out the

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Speaker 4: no second and third chance opportunities. And then the final

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Speaker 4: one is active stick positioning and understanding when to press

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Speaker 4: and when to back up. If you follow those simple guidelines,

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Speaker 4: it's not that convoluted. But if you follow those simple guidelines,

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Speaker 4: your penalty kill should be in the top ten every

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Speaker 4: single season. It's not that complicated.

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Speaker 1: Pierre, How bad does the Jack Hughes injury hurt New Jersey?

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Speaker 1: It seems crippling because he's their catalyst, isn't he?

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, between him and Beggie Hamilton, you got

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Speaker 4: a lot out of the line up right now. I mean,

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Speaker 4: people don't realize those guys matter. Cody Glass is another

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Speaker 4: one that came back, and you don't know what's gonna

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Speaker 4: happen with Cody. You know, there's a lot about that.

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Speaker 4: But Jack and I talked to somebody in the NHL

485
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Speaker 4: this morning about this. You know, they're saying, oh, Jack

486
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Speaker 4: Hugh's gonna fence you know this guy and that guy said, no,

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Speaker 4: it's gonna affect six guys because it's gonna it's gonna

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Speaker 4: affect the second line as well, because now people start

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Speaker 4: to move around in the lineup, and so it doesn't

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Speaker 4: just affect one line, it affects two lines. And so

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Speaker 4: that's a problem for New Jersey. They obviously had a

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Speaker 4: tremendous start, they got a lot of team speed. Jack's

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Speaker 4: been a big part of that. But without him, and

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Speaker 4: that's gonna be a long injury. It doesn't just affect

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Speaker 4: New Jersey. I think it affects Team USA going to

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Speaker 4: the Olympics as well.

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Speaker 2: No question about that.

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Speaker 1: And to get to your point about the lineup being

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Speaker 1: switched around, my big example is Nicoheshier is a very

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Speaker 1: good number two center, but now he's got to do

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Speaker 1: more and I think he can, but I'm not sure,

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Speaker 1: and maybe it makes him less of a two hundred

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Speaker 1: foot player on the second line.

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Speaker 4: Oh, no question, Mark, That's exactly what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: I mean, people don't realize every they say, oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: one guy is out. No, it's not. It's not one guy.

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Speaker 4: One guy affects six guys, and that's the way it goes.

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Speaker 4: That's why you Okay, let's use Yesper Brock as an example,

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Speaker 4: who's been a tremendous player for the New Jersey Devils.

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Speaker 4: He's got this great chemistry going with Jackie. You don't

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Speaker 4: think that's gonna affect Yesper Brown, who's an undersized player

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Speaker 4: to begin with. He's got to square most of his

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Speaker 4: stuff off the rush. That's not gonna happen right now.

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Speaker 4: So no, there's a lot. It's gonna affect a lot

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Speaker 4: of guys here. It's unfortunate. I hope jack keels up. Well.

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Speaker 4: I'm knowing him and I know his family. I mean

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Speaker 4: the father and mother. I had the mother in hockey

518
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Speaker 4: camp when she was a very young lady before the

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Speaker 4: ninety eight Olympics. And I've known my father since he

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Speaker 4: was a player at Problem With College way back in

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Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties. So I've known the family a long time.

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Speaker 1: Now, we don't want to get nobody fired, Pier, and

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Speaker 1: it is only mid November, but what coach is in

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Speaker 1: the most danger right now? Because some seats are certainly

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Speaker 1: heating up.

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Speaker 4: Well, I gotta think Andrew Burnett. That pains me to

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Speaker 4: say that too. Again, you know, for so long in

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Speaker 4: this business, and Andrew is a really serviceable player called

529
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Speaker 4: a Cup champion with Barry Trots up in Maine way

530
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Speaker 4: back in the day. To show you how far back

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Speaker 4: I go with say, I watch him playing online in

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Speaker 4: on Sound, Ontario and the Ontario Hockey League with Scottie Walker,

533
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Speaker 4: who had a really distinguished career in Kirk Malty, the

534
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Speaker 4: multiple Stanley Cup winner with the Detroit Red Wings. It

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Speaker 4: breaks my heart. But I think Nashals, there's going to

536
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Speaker 4: be at some point something's going to a given Nashal.

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Speaker 4: I know. I know they've endorsed the coaching staff in

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Speaker 4: Toronto and I would as well. I just don't know.

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Speaker 4: At some point here if they can't get this thing

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Speaker 4: to turn around, and let's just say they lose twelve

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Speaker 4: games in a row, I don't know what direction they go.

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Speaker 4: The biggest problem, and this is this is for everybody

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Speaker 4: out there, the biggest problem this year. There's one elite

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Speaker 4: coach that knows how to win, and he hasn't won

545
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Speaker 4: the Cup yet, but he knows how to win and

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Speaker 4: it's peaked the board. And when you got a guy

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Speaker 4: that's out there circling and he's not doing any wrong,

548
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Speaker 4: but when his name's out there, that's a problem if

549
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Speaker 4: you're a coach. Is not winning right now.

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Speaker 1: Pierre, I feel like every team in the Eastern Conference

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Speaker 1: is either pretty good or maybe none of them are.

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Speaker 2: Which is it. The standings are so tight, there's no

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Speaker 2: room to move.

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Speaker 4: The Atlanta's really good, the Metro's mediocre atest. The Atlantic's

555
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Speaker 4: really good and it's tough, every game's a dogfight, but

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Speaker 4: the Metro's not as good. And then if you go

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Speaker 4: out West, you obviously look at it and they say, okay,

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Speaker 4: you know what's going on out there, I'd say that

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Speaker 4: the Central is okay. I would say the Pacific is

560
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Speaker 4: really getting better, and that's why you've seen Calgary fall

561
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Speaker 4: so far behind. It's just that the Pacific has gotten

562
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Speaker 4: so much better, with Anaheim being improved, la and really

563
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Speaker 4: doing a good job. Santel's a being improved and under

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Speaker 4: Lane Lambert, Seattle's done a good job. So it's kind

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Speaker 4: of like the West has one division that's really good,

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Speaker 4: the Pacific, and the Central's mediocre. In the East, it's

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Speaker 4: the same thing. You know, the Metro is mediocre and

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Speaker 4: the Atlantic is pretty un good.

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Speaker 1: Pierre, what about Colorado only one loss in regulation thirteen

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Speaker 1: one and six. What's allowed them to make a step

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Speaker 1: up besides the usual suspects. I mean, we knew they

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Speaker 1: were good, but they're even better, aren't they?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: Getting Nate just signed to a contract, bringing in brock

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Speaker 4: Nelson last year was good. Having the valoring at Chuskin

576
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Speaker 4: right from the start of the year, no off ice.

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Speaker 4: Bringing in Brent Burns not enough. I was shocked more

578
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Speaker 4: people weren't talking about that, especially people in Carolina where

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Speaker 4: he left. Brent Burns was a really good tick up

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Speaker 4: for them. And then last year, people forget McKenzie Blackwood

581
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Speaker 4: and Scott Rudgwood, the two Woods, those guys going in

582
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 4: there really created a great one two tandem and they

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Speaker 4: found some found money. I'm not kidding it, and I

584
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Speaker 4: know that's kind of an awkward statement, but Sam Malynski

585
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Speaker 4: was a tremendous player out of Minnesota. He went to

586
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Speaker 4: Cornell University as a free agent and he has been tremendous.

587
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Speaker 4: He's a lot like Ryan Shane in terms of improving.

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Speaker 4: So they got they got a lot going on and

589
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Speaker 4: it's really positive. They've got role players like Parker Kelly

590
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Speaker 4: and Jack Turry and Ross Colton that are really good.

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Speaker 4: Getting Gavin Brimley from Columbus was really good. Like they've

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Speaker 4: done some really smart things with their roster in terms

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Speaker 4: of team building exercise, Pierre, we.

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Speaker 1: Got Minnesota here Friday night. They signed Caprasoft to that

595
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Speaker 1: huge deal. I think they go to good roster. Let's

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Speaker 1: hold them back because I expected better than their record.

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Speaker 4: They've dealt with some injuries, Mark, and they're starting to

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Speaker 4: get a little bit more healthy. They've got some young

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Speaker 4: players like Daneil Duroff that's really starting to evolve. They

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Speaker 4: really missed Nico Stern. Marco Ross he's been hurting Meam

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Speaker 4: Wultler is a really good young player. They've got a

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Speaker 4: lot going on that's more positive and negative there. They

603
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Speaker 4: just got to get healthy and start to play. Yes

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Speaker 4: for walst at a goal, he's really started to evolve.

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Speaker 4: He's backed up and playing with Philip Gustis, and they've

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Speaker 4: got a lot. I just don't like to talk too

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Speaker 4: much about Minnie because my kid's part of their organization,

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Speaker 4: so I don't want to get him in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Well, Pierre, if guys keep getting hurt, maybe he gets

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Speaker 1: a call up.

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Speaker 2: What do you think he's one.

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Speaker 4: Of their hurt guys right now he's got a broken foot.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's say that was an ironic laugh, because we

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Speaker 1: wish him a quick and speedy recovery.

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Speaker 4: I get listen. As I told his mother, who was

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Speaker 4: very disappointed, said look, if this is part of the business,

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Speaker 4: you have to adapt and overcome him. And so he's

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Speaker 4: living in the weight room every day and working on

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Speaker 4: things he can work on so he can get back

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Speaker 4: on the ice. That's just the way it is.

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Speaker 1: Pierre has always great stuff. A pleasure to work with you,

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Speaker 1: and we'll do it again next week. Enjoy the hockey.

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Speaker 4: You are an amazing friend and professional. I'm so grateful

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Speaker 4: for every single Tuesday we get to talk.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mark, Right back at you, Pierre.

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