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Speaker 1: Hi, Hello, Welcome in Happy Sunday. My name's Austin Olmore.

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Speaker 1: This is seven hundred wl W. We've got a little

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Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon sports talk for you. I'm fired up about it.

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Speaker 1: Been a while since I've been on the air on

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Speaker 1: a Sunday afternoon, but I reckon it's that time of

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Speaker 1: the year and looking forward to it, looking forward to

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Speaker 1: spending the next three hours with you. It won't be

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Speaker 1: just me. We're gonna have a couple of polls joined

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Speaker 1: the show as well. Half an hour from right now,

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Speaker 1: Paul Dayner Junior from the Athletic I've got Bengals questions

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Speaker 1: for him, and then at five thirty five, Paul Fritchner

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Speaker 1: from the Rebound Rundown talking a little college basketball. Because

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Speaker 1: we are rapidly approaching March. Some area teams, including the

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Speaker 1: Miami RedHawks, are playing some good basketball. Big win yesterday

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Speaker 1: by Xavier. We'll get to all of that between now

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Speaker 1: and six o'clock. Phone lines are open at three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 1: part of the show by tweeting at me and following

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Speaker 1: me at Audie Elmore, that's a U T y E.

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Speaker 1: L MRI on Twitter, or if you're one of those

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Speaker 1: people who calls it X that too. I got to

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Speaker 1: start with something about the Bengals because I've been hearing

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Speaker 1: this narrative lately about them, and as I've heard it,

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Speaker 1: I've realized that I am one of the people responsible

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Speaker 1: for pushing this narrative over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: And I've really been thinking about this a lot because

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this or not, but

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Speaker 1: we just passed the four year anniversary of Evan McPherson

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Speaker 1: kicking the game winning field goal in the Super in

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Speaker 1: the AFC Championship Game to send the Bengals to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and I was at times overcome with emotion

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Speaker 1: this week thinking back at that period in time as

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Speaker 1: a Bengals fan and thinking about how one week from

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Speaker 1: today is the Super Bowl, and at that time, when

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Speaker 1: the Bengals had gone to the Super Bowl and then

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Speaker 1: right back to the AFC Championship Game, you were thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals are a legitimate contender and will be for

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Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. And here we are three straight seasons

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Speaker 1: without a playoff. Berth two major injuries to Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: and a defense that has gone from bad to worse,

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Speaker 1: to bad to worse and back again. And I've been

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Speaker 1: one of the people who has repeatedly said that the

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Speaker 1: Bengals aren't that far away, and I do believe that.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things I've been hanging my hat

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Speaker 1: on has been that the Bengals aren't that far away

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Speaker 1: because the defense doesn't need to be the best in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. The defense just needs to be league average.

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Speaker 1: Then Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and t Higgins and

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Speaker 1: Chase Brown and Mike Gisiki, they'll take care of the rest.

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Speaker 1: And I had my reasons for these arguments, and it

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Speaker 1: was something that I truly did believe, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know that I believe you have to have the absolute

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Speaker 1: best defense in the NFL to win the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: but you need a consistent defense, and you need at

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Speaker 1: least a top ten defense in the NFL, I think,

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Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl. I remember multiple times I said, well,

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Speaker 1: if the Bengals can go from thirty second to twenty second,

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Speaker 1: they'll be back in the playoffs and have a chance

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Speaker 1: at the super Bowl. And that is not a good

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Speaker 1: enough bar. That's not a high enough bar. The bar

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Speaker 1: should be in the Joe Burrow era to win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. The bar shouldn't be let's get back to

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Speaker 1: not big enough. The bar needs to be higher. The

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Speaker 1: standard needs to be higher. It needs to go beyond

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Speaker 1: just hey, get to twentieth in the NFL in defense,

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Speaker 1: get to seventeenth in the NFL in defense, and if

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Speaker 1: you do that well, then you're going to be right

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Speaker 1: back in it. I don't want to just be in it.

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Speaker 1: I want to win it. And looking at the way

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Speaker 1: that the playoffs have shaken out over the last couple

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Speaker 1: the Bengals are actually going to be able to go

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Speaker 1: from thirty first or thirty second up to the top ten.

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Speaker 1: They have plenty of cap space to be able to spend,

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Speaker 1: and the cap number is going up. The reports earlier

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Speaker 1: this week say it's going to be over three hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars. There is plenty of cap space for the

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Speaker 1: Bengals to fix various parts of their defense, but the

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Speaker 1: draft is a huge part of that, and we saw

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Speaker 1: And I started looking at the playoffs and obviously a

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Speaker 1: where those two teams rank in terms of total defense

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Speaker 1: of proves my point right there. The Rams are likely

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Speaker 1: They've got as good of a wide receiver as there

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Speaker 1: is in this league. In Puka Nakua. They've got a

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Speaker 1: good defense, they've got a good defensive coordinator. They have

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Speaker 1: all the things that you want the Bengals to have,

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Speaker 1: and yet their defense still was the thorn in their

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Speaker 1: side in the NFC Championship game and they lost. They're

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Speaker 1: how you need to be an aggressive pursuit of a

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Speaker 1: running and operating and coaching and playing on a professional

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Speaker 1: and the teams in this city to aggressively pursue a

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Speaker 1: championship at all costs. And for some that's too high

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Speaker 1: of a bar. For some, they're happy with eighty one

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Speaker 1: want more than that, and so shame on me. For

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Speaker 1: which is just get to league average and your offense

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Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that the offense will do the rest.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals have had a good offense top ten in

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Speaker 1: with him, we know how good the advanced numbers suggest

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Speaker 1: the offense is when Higgins, in Chase and Burrow are

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Speaker 1: all healthy at the same time. But that's not always

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Speaker 1: The injuries to Burrow have been unfortunate. The injuries to

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Speaker 1: But it is a part of football. It's how football works,

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Speaker 1: and so you need to play complimentary football, which means

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Speaker 1: if your offense is struggling, your defense will pick you up.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the twenty twenty two playoffs. It would

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Speaker 1: have been January of twenty three when the Bengals played

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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens in the Wildcard round. The defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: Seahawks and the team favored in Super Bowl sixty. He

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Speaker 1: put the Bengals offense in a blender that night. They

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Speaker 1: couldn't do anything. It was as inefficient and unproductive as

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Speaker 1: an offense you've seen in the Borough era. But the

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Speaker 1: Bengals won the game. Why because Sam Hubbard returned to

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Speaker 1: fumble ninety nine yards to the house. The defense picked

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Speaker 1: in that Divisional round playoff game against Tennessee the year

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Speaker 1: the Bengals went to the Super Bowl, Joe Burrow was

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Speaker 1: sacked eight times. Burrow made some big throws in that game,

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Speaker 1: but there were also massive plays made by Jesse Bates

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Speaker 1: the Bengals win. What about an overtime of that game

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Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard forced a sack and a fumble on Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: The point I'm trying to make here is that in

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Speaker 1: do more than just get off the field on third down.

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Speaker 1: You've got to have a defense that can stymy an offense.

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Speaker 1: You've got to have a defense that can score. You've

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Speaker 1: got to have defense that can force turnovers and multiple turnovers.

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Speaker 1: You've got to have a defense that can sack the

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Speaker 1: the Bengals are so far away from being able to

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Speaker 1: have that right now, and so part of the reason

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to Paul is to figure out

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Speaker 1: and he's got this exercise on Theathletic dot Com called

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Mock Offseason, which allows you to go into

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Speaker 1: a spreadsheet and pick I want to sign this player,

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Speaker 1: this player, I'm gonna draft this guy, and how the

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Speaker 1: financials all work out. The question I legitimately have is

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Speaker 1: can the Bengals go from by the way, Cincinnati thirty

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Speaker 1: first in total defense this year? Can they go from

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Speaker 1: that number to tenth? Honest to God, That's all I'm

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Speaker 1: looking for. I used to be looking for twentieth, and

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Speaker 1: then I was looking for sixteenth or seventeenth. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: looking for tenth because I feel like if you have

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, You've done all those things I've just listed,

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Speaker 1: and you are setting up your offense to be more successful,

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Speaker 1: and you are winning games when good defenses do stemy

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Speaker 1: your offense. You play complimentary football. That's the goal. Can they,

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Speaker 1: as currently constructed and holding the tenth overall pick in

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Speaker 1: this year's draft and the tenth pick in each of

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Speaker 1: the rounds after that, and with the amount of cap

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Speaker 1: space that they have, can the Bengals actually turn it

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Speaker 1: around in one offseason? What do you think? Five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 1: four nine seven thousand is the phone number? You can

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Speaker 1: tweet it me as well at Audie Elmore on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a break. We'll come back. Your phone calls

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Speaker 1: in more. This is a little Sunday afternoon sports talk

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW. We'll talk a little bit later

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Speaker 1: on about the NFL coaching carousel. The final open positions

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Speaker 1: head coach positions across the league have been filled today

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Speaker 1: or are about to be filled. The Bengals actually made

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Speaker 1: an addition to their staff. Tom Pellasero of NFL Network

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Speaker 1: reports that the Bengals are hiring Davis Ketter or excuse me,

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Speaker 1: Davis Cutter. Cutter, the son of former NFL coach Dirk Cutter.

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Speaker 1: You might remember him.

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Speaker 1: Davis Cutter will be the assistant wide receivers coach. According

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Speaker 1: to Tom Pellsero, He's been at Texas for two years

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Speaker 1: and was at South Carolina as an analyst last year.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I do believe the Bengals defense can get significantly better,

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Speaker 1: Whoa man? What's on your mind?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, Seef. You know, I just kind of look

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Speaker 5: You know, when the Bengals were in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 5: like the line's looking pretty good. Offensive line, but you know,

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Speaker 5: And I don't think he got stupid. I just this

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, we're up against the clock. I

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Speaker 1: is plenty of blame to go around with what got

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Speaker 1: the Bengals in this position. We'll figure out more about

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Speaker 1: where they're at and where they can go with Paul

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Speaker 1: Danner Junior from the Athletic After the News right here

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW. Welcome back a little Sunday afternoon

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Speaker 1: sports talk Here on seven hundred WLW. My name's Austin

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Speaker 1: Ellmore talking Bengals and hour number one and specifically can

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Speaker 1: they do all the things they need to do to

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Speaker 1: get back to the playoffs and more importantly the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl this offseason? Here to talk about it is the

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Speaker 1: man who covers the Bengal for the Athletic Paul Danner

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Speaker 1: Junior joining us now, Paul, Happy Sunday? How are you

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Speaker 1: happy Sunday? To you, Austin? How are we doing? I'm

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Speaker 1: wonderful and I've been doing the mockoff season on Theathletic

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Speaker 1: just kind of wondering. I talked in the first half

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Speaker 6: I mean, now, a defense capable of playing in the

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Speaker 6: but they don't need stars. For this thing to be better,

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Speaker 7: Like that's where the high end has to come from.

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Speaker 6: And we spent all I mean, Austin, how much time

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Speaker 6: the new that was happening there on that side of

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Speaker 6: the ball last year, it matters.

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Speaker 1: It matters on that side of the ball more than anything.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to Trey Hendrickson, what's the best course

436
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Speaker 1: of action for the football team, Let him walk, wash

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Speaker 1: your hands of it, tag him, trade him, get something

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Speaker 1: for him.

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Speaker 6: Well, tag him, trade him, gets something for it. Sounds

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Speaker 6: great for us to stay here on the radio on

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Speaker 6: a Sunday afternoon. I the execution of that is a

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Speaker 6: little more challenging. What's his market is? Is he able

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Speaker 6: to fetch enough in return that it's worth it better?

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Speaker 1: What does that look like?

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Speaker 6: You know, I probably would say you think you could

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Speaker 6: probably get a third but I mean we there's been

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Speaker 6: seven tag in trades since twenty nineteen, and only three

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Speaker 6: in the last five years. There's a reason for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's not because there haven't been good free agents. It's

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Speaker 6: hard to do and none of those seven Austin have

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Speaker 6: been older than twenty nine years old. So you throw

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Speaker 6: his age, you throw injury, you throw all of that,

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Speaker 6: and then you throw in dealing with the Bengals and

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Speaker 6: trying to pull off a trade into that, and the

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Speaker 6: actual execution of it is harder. Yes, if you could

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Speaker 6: go out there and if you could drop a third

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Speaker 6: round pick in the twenty twenty six draft into your

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Speaker 6: lap and say all you gotta do is just go

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Speaker 6: tag and send, of course anybody would do it. But

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Speaker 6: I just think the complication of that, I don't know

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Speaker 6: that that's necessarily gonna come to fruition. What that's gonna

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Speaker 6: look like? I think you're gonna attempt it, and you're sir,

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Speaker 6: they're certainly gonna look into it inevitably. I don't see

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Speaker 6: it happen. I think this it probably ends up going

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Speaker 6: the way of Jesse Bates, where Jesse Bates walks.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully not in the.

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Speaker 6: Way that every Bengals fan spends the next four years

468
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Speaker 6: being mad about the fact that they have to.

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Speaker 7: Go watch them go to Pro Bowls and have pick

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Speaker 7: sixes on Monday Nights Football.

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Speaker 6: But I think it probably goes that way in that

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Speaker 6: he just walks and signs, but it's there as an

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Speaker 6: option if they feel like they can pull it off.

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Speaker 1: The Super Bowl is a week from now. Do you

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Speaker 1: anticipate any current Bengals making the rounds at media row

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Speaker 1: and making any offseason demands kind of like what we

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Speaker 1: saw last year?

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Speaker 7: Hope not. I mean, it doesn't feel like they're in

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Speaker 7: very much a making demands type of thing.

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Speaker 6: I mean, sure you could see them making demand stuff

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Speaker 6: coming last year, and in fact.

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Speaker 1: We didn't really need them to make them demands. They'd

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Speaker 1: already done them.

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Speaker 7: They've already done them for weeks. So you don't get

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Speaker 7: that sense.

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Speaker 6: You get that sense that everybody sees what you see,

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Speaker 6: what I see. What all the fans know is that, look,

488
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Speaker 6: this thing is coming back for next year and all

489
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Speaker 6: bets are off after that. And so you get the

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Speaker 6: sense that that's kind of where they're at organizationally. So

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Speaker 6: I would be stunned if we heard anything like that

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Speaker 6: coming out of radio Road. Now, you never know what

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Speaker 6: could happen there, But I feel like everybody's kind of

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Speaker 6: of the We're giving this thing the real shot this year,

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Speaker 6: and we'll see where it all falls.

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Speaker 1: Two very quick final questions for Paul Danner Junior from

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Speaker 1: The Athletic. The first one is, if you had to

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Speaker 1: wager an amount of money that mattered to you, I'm

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Speaker 1: not asking for a specific player. What position do the

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Speaker 1: Bengals draft at number ten in April?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean if.

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Speaker 6: I had to make the call now, I would say edge.

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Speaker 6: I think you're hoping you know who we don't know.

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Speaker 6: There's a long way to go in terms of risers

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Speaker 6: and followers and guys, but I mean you're hoping that

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Speaker 6: you can sniff a Reuben Bane or a David Bailey

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Speaker 6: or somebody like that. I mean, pass rush certainly makes sense.

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Speaker 6: Defensive tackle you would love to take there. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's just that there's no good defensive tackles and free

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Speaker 6: agency really, uh, they're impossible to find in the draft

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Speaker 6: certainly that can come make an immediate impact.

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Speaker 7: And so when you're at ten, where you haven't been

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Speaker 7: there in a while, that's a.

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Speaker 6: Position that you would be starting with, the problem being

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Speaker 6: there has to be someone worth the pick there, and

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Speaker 6: we don't know that that's gonna be the case. So

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Speaker 6: I would say defensive line and throwing. I don't know

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Speaker 6: where Peter Woods is gonna land.

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Speaker 1: I don't you know.

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Speaker 7: He's kind of all over the map right now in

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Speaker 7: the early going.

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Speaker 6: But I think if you were making a bet, I

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Speaker 6: think you would probably start there. I'd throw some change.

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Speaker 6: Can I split my bet? Can I do like a

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Speaker 6: three way? Can I do some side change on safety

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Speaker 6: for Caleb Downs?

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Speaker 1: And then I want to wager, man, just just choose

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Speaker 1: the worst. I know, I know exactly what you're trying

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 6: You just a five on offensive tackle, just as a

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Speaker 6: on the side.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, who's going to win Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: sixty Seattle? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean, they they're so well rounded, They've won every

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Speaker 6: way you need to.

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Speaker 7: And I'm just I.

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Speaker 6: Believe in what they're doing a little bit more than

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Speaker 6: what New England has done to get there. And I

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Speaker 6: think New England is better than people give them credit for.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, you know, Seattle's won shootouts against the Rams,

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Speaker 6: They've won defensive struggles, they've blown people out. They just

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Speaker 6: they just have it all and they're just such a

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Speaker 6: complete team. And I don't know if New England can

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Speaker 6: hang with them that way. If Drake Drake May is

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Speaker 6: going to have to have a coming of age game,

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Speaker 6: a career type of game, I think for for them

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Speaker 6: to hang And it's not it's not saying that they

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Speaker 6: can't do that, but boy, doing that against this Seattle defense.

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Speaker 7: Is a is a mighty task.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there with you and May a little

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Speaker 1: bit banged up as well.

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Speaker 7: Paul.

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Speaker 1: Tell people what you're working on and where they can

554
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Speaker 1: find you. Come up with your coverage of the Bengals.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, briefly mentioned, I'm doing a three part series on

556
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Speaker 6: the Bengals Hunt for Pass Rush this offseason. That's coming

557
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Speaker 6: out this week, so keep an eye out on that.

558
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Speaker 6: And of course we've got we got the Growler still

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Speaker 6: going with all of our episodes over there, so subscribe,

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Speaker 6: follow everything and.

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Speaker 1: Of course everything's always there at the Athletic awesome. Shame

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Speaker 1: on me for not mentioning The Growler. I only listen

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Speaker 1: to it every week. Paul, Thank you so much. Le everybody.

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Speaker 1: That is Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the

565
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Speaker 1: Growler podcast, which I cannot recommend enough. We'll take a break.

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Speaker 1: We've got time for a couple of phone calls. That's

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Speaker 1: next right here on seven hundred WLW. My thanks to

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Speaker 1: Paul Danner Junior for joining us. He said he thinks

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Speaker 1: they can do it. They can fix the defense in

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Speaker 1: one offseason. That makes me feel better. Let's go to Don. Hello, Don,

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Speaker 1: what's up?

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Speaker 9: While we had minus twenty two yesterday in Ohio? Hey,

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Speaker 9: you talked about the salary cap going, yes, now talk

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Speaker 9: to well, we want to know. We know about the

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Speaker 9: quarterback and the receivers and they make that kind of money,

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Speaker 9: but what we never really hear about the guys in

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Speaker 9: the trenches, the left tackle or the right tackle or

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Speaker 9: the guards.

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Speaker 10: You know, to know how a team's going.

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Speaker 9: To be able to pay and build, you know, one

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Speaker 9: of the guys in the trenches making I mean, talk

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Speaker 9: to the regular guy about that.

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Speaker 1: Like you want to, I'm not sure. I follow. You

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Speaker 1: want to know how much money those guys are making. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you're.

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Speaker 9: Raised at another five million dollars and the quarterback's already

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Speaker 9: making forty or fifty million, and you know he can't

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Speaker 9: do nothing without an offensive front line.

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Speaker 1: The Browns approved that.

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Speaker 9: So what's the guy making when he's the one protecting

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Speaker 9: the quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he's doing his job. The left tackle,

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Speaker 1: it's for a long time been one of the highest

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Speaker 1: paid players in the NFL. Edge rushers obviously have played

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Speaker 1: a role in that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, however,

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Speaker 1: how much every single guy makes. I mean, for example,

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Speaker 1: like one of the top avery, one of the top

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Speaker 1: available free agents this year might make twenty five to

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Speaker 1: thirty million dollars at left tackle a year, so a

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Speaker 1: little bit less than top flight wide receivers.

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Speaker 9: Oh what would Joe Thomas have made just as he retired.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Joe was making a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: I know that much.

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Speaker 2: Hey, all right, but here's my requestion real quick. The

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Speaker 2: backup quarterback for Joe Burrows.

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Speaker 9: Why aren't the backup quarterbacks getting in the game when

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Speaker 9: it's a blowout. I mean, how could Denver lose their

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Speaker 9: guy and they talk about he never throw the pass

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Speaker 9: for such and such. Why aren't they playing more when

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Speaker 9: it's a blowout?

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Speaker 1: Okay, But yeah, Don, I don't know the answer to

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Speaker 1: that question. There definitely have been times where I wish

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Speaker 1: that Zach Taylor would have taken Joe Burrow out of

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Speaker 1: the game, and we did see that a little bit

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Speaker 1: towards the end of the games that towards the end

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Speaker 1: of the season. This, Don, thank you for the phone call. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think maybe that's something that just doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen all that often across the NFL. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Denver for example, So I'm sorry I was not

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Speaker 1: prepared for that question. I will tell you this, though,

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Speaker 1: you can find out how much just about anybody is

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Speaker 1: making on the internet. Off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much every left tackle or right

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Speaker 1: tackle or right guard is making for the Bengals this year.

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Speaker 1: I know Ted Carris is a pretty cheap contract at

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Speaker 1: six eight million dollars something along those lines. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to Kevin in Columbus. Hello, Kevin, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I had heard some other callers saying about they thought

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Speaker 11: the defense got better in the second half. I want

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Speaker 11: to point to remember the New England game. I was

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Speaker 11: actually inspired that game. Their defense made a couple of

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Speaker 11: deadline stands. I agree remember, and even the Patriots were

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Speaker 11: frustrated that they couldn't, you know, get it in from

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Speaker 11: the one yard line. And I thought to myself, maybe

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Speaker 11: they're turning a corner here. Yeah, and I don't really

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Speaker 11: pan out or anything, but you know, we're always trying

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Speaker 11: to look for a bright spot or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they had. There was a stretch right

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Speaker 1: after that Bears game. Other than not being able to

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Speaker 1: tackle in Pittsburgh, I thought they were okay. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: the Patriots game where I thought they played pretty well

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Speaker 1: and if they have Burrow and Chase, they might win

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Speaker 1: that game. And yeah, Baltimore, they really stymied the Ravens

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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving night. So yeah, there was little, you know,

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Speaker 1: stretches here and there where it's like.

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Speaker 11: Oh, yeah, we're trying to look for a glimmer of hope.

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Speaker 11: But then this happened so much with the Bengals. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 11: we're not that bad, and that they upset somebody at

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Speaker 11: the end of the year, and then the next year

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Speaker 11: comes in for punk you know, so, yeah, we've seen

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Speaker 11: too much of that. I really did what you'd say

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Speaker 11: about that, and what the other guy talked about, Why

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Speaker 11: aren't they using backups more? I wondered that with Jake

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Speaker 11: Browning for the last four he only got into the

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Speaker 11: game one time, the Philadelphia game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he looked like a guy who hadn't played in

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Speaker 1: a few years when he came into the game this

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Speaker 1: year and Kevin, thank you, I'm up against the clock. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with the one hundred percent. Here's the thing I gotta

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Speaker 1: remember about the defense. You can't let the eleven plays

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Speaker 1: in which they kept New England out of the end

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Speaker 1: zone make you forget about the thirty plays against Chicago,

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Speaker 1: or the twenty plays against the Lions, or all the

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Speaker 1: plays against Minnesota or Buffalo where they allow Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: to win the game with his feet. You can't allow

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Speaker 1: one or two good things to totally shift the way

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Speaker 1: you perceive your defense next season. We saw this at

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Speaker 1: the end of last year. They won those five straight games.

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Speaker 1: They did it against bad quarterbacks. They decided to bring

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Speaker 1: back guys that they shouldn't have and that can't happen

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Speaker 1: this year. I want to shift the conversation to the

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Speaker 1: Reds and why I am struggling to get excited about

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Speaker 1: baseball and pitchers and catchers reporting like a week. I'll

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Speaker 1: explain next on seven hundred wl DO. Hi, Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: in our number two a little Sunday afternoon sports talk

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Speaker 1: Here on seven hundred WLW. My name is Austin Olmore.

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Speaker 1: Got a little ahead of myself. You might normally hear

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Speaker 1: me down the dial on ESPN fifteen thirty. I co

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Speaker 1: host Tony Pikes since E three sixty weekdays from noon

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Speaker 1: to three, and you can also follow along be a

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Speaker 1: part of the show on Twitter at Audiel Moore a

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Speaker 1: U T y E L. M Ore If you want

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Speaker 1: to be a part of the show that way. Phone

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Speaker 1: lines are open at five one, three, seven four, nine,

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Speaker 1: seven thousand. I want to shift to baseball. We're like

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Speaker 1: eight days away from pitchers and catchers reporting to Goodyear, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Many of those guys will start reporting this week. A

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Speaker 1: lot of early arrivals, and you know, all those sort

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Speaker 1: of things going on and Goodyear and the Bengals or

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Speaker 1: the Reds are coming off of a post season appearance.

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Speaker 1: They went to the wild card. They hung on the

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Speaker 1: race just to get to the playoffs last year was exciting,

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Speaker 1: It was treacherous, it was intense, it was all the

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Speaker 1: things that make being a sports fan fun. Is kind

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Speaker 1: of fighting for your playoff life over the last month

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Speaker 1: of the season last year. And then the Reds got

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs and they went out to Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: to play the Dodgers in the wild Card round and

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Speaker 1: they got destroyed. They really weren't competitive in any of

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Speaker 1: the games, and they kind of just just went down

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Speaker 1: without much of a fight. And that was obviously disappointing.

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Speaker 1: But I thought to myself, Hey, this team went through

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Speaker 1: a lot to try to find a way to get

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Speaker 1: to the postseason, and in the first year, Terry francona, Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe there's something here. But I also thought to myself

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Speaker 1: at that point, they will have a chance this offseason

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Speaker 1: to fix their off so that they can be a

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Speaker 1: little bit more competitive. And here we are eight days

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Speaker 1: out from spring training and the Reds haven't done anything

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Speaker 1: to fix their offense. One of their most prolific home

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Speaker 1: run hitters, Austin Hayes, just signed yesterday with the Chicago

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Speaker 1: White Sox. Their deadline acquisition last year. Miguel Andrew Harr

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Speaker 1: has not yet signed with any team, and he was

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Speaker 1: one of the best hitters on the team. Oh, by

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Speaker 1: the way, they traded away Gavin lux who by far

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Speaker 1: put together the most professional and consistent at bats last

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Speaker 1: season and led the team in batting average. They haven't

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Speaker 1: gotten better offensively at all. And I'm finding myself struggling

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Speaker 1: to get excited for this baseball season. And I know

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Speaker 1: in this city and on this radio station that's borderline blasphemous.

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Speaker 1: I totally understand. But if the team that I root

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Speaker 1: for and I care about deeply isn't doing what's necessary

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Speaker 1: to improve what was their biggest flaw last year, why

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Speaker 1: should I feel excited about their prospects of this year.

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Speaker 1: And we can get all hot and bothered about what

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Speaker 1: teams like the Dodgers and the Mets and the Blue

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Speaker 1: Jays do, but those are large market teams that spend

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Speaker 1: a lot of money and are an aggressive pursuit of

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Speaker 1: a championship. I will never fault them for doing what's

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Speaker 1: best for their organization and doing everything in their power

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Speaker 1: to win. I will the system and major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: in and of itself is completely broken. I think we

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Speaker 1: would all agree with that. And I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: going to be any baseball at all next summer because

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Speaker 1: of the collective bargaining Agreement and the lockout that's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. But when half the league, because of the

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Speaker 1: structure of the league and because of the way ownerships

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Speaker 1: across the league work, when half the league's fan bases

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like they don't have a chance, I

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Speaker 1: find that hard to get excited about. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I love baseball. I love baseball with every fiber of

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Speaker 1: my being, and being a fan of the Cincinnati Reds

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00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: in this town, it's supposed to be special and it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to mean something. Unfortunately, they've been largely irrelevant in

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Speaker 1: the national landscape for the better part of the last

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Speaker 1: thirty years. Ellie is fun, Hunter Green is good, Andrew

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Speaker 1: Abbott's an awesome story. There are interesting pieces of this

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Speaker 1: ball club, but the conversation is never about being in

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Speaker 1: position to win a championship. It is Hey, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if Ellie's gonna do something cool tonight, or are they

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to afford him, or Hey, one of

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Speaker 1: our ex players did something cool like Joey Vado's joining NBC.

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Speaker 1: It's never about a successful organization on the field. It's

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Speaker 1: about Redsfest, it's about the community Fund, it's about all

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Speaker 1: those type of things. And those are great things, and

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00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: the Reds are the gold standard of community outreach and

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00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: off the field promotions and marketing and all of that.

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Speaker 1: They're the best in the world. They're the Dodgers of that.

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Speaker 1: But on the field they're largely irrelevant. And I went

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Speaker 1: to twenty five games last year to see the Reds.

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Speaker 1: I think I saw them in four different states. I

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Speaker 1: went to the Bristol disaster, and I remember walking out

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Speaker 1: towards the end of the season thinking, Gosh, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I want to do this next year. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I want to sit here and watch

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Speaker 1: them struggle to score a run. I mean, they scored

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Speaker 1: two or fewer runs in the vast like a quarter

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Speaker 1: of their games last year, probably more than that, and

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Speaker 1: they haven't done anything to fix it. And then they

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Speaker 1: will insult you by telling you, oh, yeah, we tried

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Speaker 1: to get Kyle Schwarber. Ah shucks, And then it comes

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Speaker 1: out that they only tried to get Kyle Schwarber because

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Speaker 1: he would sell tickets. Do you know how insulting that

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Speaker 1: is to me as a Reds fan? Do you feel insulted?

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Speaker 1: Five point three seven four nine seven thousand. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber would be great. He would be a legend here.

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Speaker 1: He'd come here and hit fifty homers and people would

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Speaker 1: love him forever, and he'd probably help him get back

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Speaker 1: to the postseason, which would increase the lower even more.

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Speaker 1: But the Reds were never serious about acquiring Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 1: They're like, hey, we'll get out there and sell him

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Speaker 1: that he's going to be a hometown hero and he'll

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Speaker 1: hit fifty homers and because of that, he'll take a discount.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber probably laughed in their face. He's one of

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Speaker 1: the best hitters in baseball and he does not have

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Speaker 1: any interest in taking a hometown discount for an organization

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Speaker 1: that doesn't exhaust every avenue to try to win. And

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Speaker 1: I just feel so exhausted already by the idea of

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Speaker 1: having to watch this team every night try to scrape

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Speaker 1: across one run with the hopes that they can win

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Speaker 1: a game two to one or one to nothing. Now,

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Speaker 1: their pitching staff is good, their pitching staff might actually

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Speaker 1: be great. They've done a great job building that. They've

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00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: done a great job developing that. I think they deserve

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Speaker 1: a ton of credit for the way they've built the

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Speaker 1: pitching staff. And lord knows, if they're gonna face lineups

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Speaker 1: like the Dodgers in the postseason or in important games,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna need a really good pitching staff, no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. They deserve credit for it. But if you

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Speaker 1: don't score, you can't win. There's an old saying out

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00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: there that says, if we score, we might win. If

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Speaker 1: they don't score, we can't lose. Well, the Reds are

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00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: the team that don't score. Ever, Like I just have

805
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: a hard time believing that one year is gonna make

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Speaker 1: all the difference. Yeah, is Matt McClain gonna improve? I

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00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: would hope so, But what is there to go on

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Speaker 1: to make me think he will. It's been almost three

809
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: years since he produced at that level. Spencer Steer, I

810
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: don't think is nursing any sort of phantom shoulder injury.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his. I think he's a

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Speaker 1: great hitter, but he's gonna be playing a different position

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Speaker 1: seemingly every day. They've invested long term in a horrible

814
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Speaker 1: hitter in kee Brian Hayes because of his defense. They

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Speaker 1: seem to not really know exactly what the plan is

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Speaker 1: going to be for salth Stewart, Like, why should I

817
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Speaker 1: believe in their plan? And it's just exhausting to think

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Speaker 1: that over the next several months there's gonna be one

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two games in which the Reds are

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Speaker 1: going to have to scratch and fight and claw just

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Speaker 1: to put a couple of runs on the board. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I talked earlier about the standard about aggressive

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Speaker 1: pursuit of a championship. The Reds, at least from the

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Speaker 1: very beginning of the bobcast Selini era, have never qualified

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Speaker 1: for that. There have been times, as most notably when

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Speaker 1: Dick Williams was the GM, where it felt like they

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Speaker 1: were really going for it, like they were really trying,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of those moves blew up in their

829
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Speaker 1: face and they failed. Hugo Akiyama, Mike Mustakis, Yasiel Puige,

830
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Speaker 1: Matt Kemp and so on. I could at least respect

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Speaker 1: them for trying, but the rebuilds have been brutal. They

832
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: never really had what it took. Outside of twenty twelve

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Speaker 1: I think that team was special and they ran into

834
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Speaker 1: a great team in the Giants, and that obviously was

835
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Speaker 1: a brutal way to lose. But that's really one Sea

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00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety where it felt like you had a

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00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: ball club capable of actually winning the World Series. And

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00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: then the whole Schwerber thing turned me off to them

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Speaker 1: even more because for some reason it gets leaked that

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Speaker 1: all they really cared about was selling tickets, which is

841
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: not the first time there has been a direct insult

842
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Speaker 1: lobbed at Reds fans about the fact that we know

843
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: you guys will show up because you love the Reds

844
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: so much and winning is not that important. We're just

845
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: trying to get some butts in the seats. And then

846
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: you see the support at Redsfest, and good for them.

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Speaker 1: It came back. It was an awesome event. I went,

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, and it just makes you wonder are

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Speaker 1: they ever going to change? Are they going to do

850
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: what they need to do? The plan feels flawed, the

851
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: offense seems nonexistent. Hope is not a strategy, and yet

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00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: it feels like we're hoping they'll be healthier, We're hoping

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00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: that Elie de la Cruz will put the team on

854
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: his back. We're hoping that Matt McClain's shoulder injury won't

855
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: be nagging him this year. We're hoping that Hunter Green

856
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: and Nickelodolo stay healthy for the Big one sixty two.

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Speaker 1: We're hoping that Terry Francona is going to keep squeezing

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Speaker 1: the juice out of this orange. But what makes you

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Speaker 1: think they can compete with the Dodgers. What makes you

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Speaker 1: think they can compete in their own division with the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Cubs and the Milwaukee Brewers. You know, it's one thing.

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Speaker 1: The Brewers never spend money either, but they consistently win

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Speaker 1: eighty five to ninety five games because they've got a

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Speaker 1: long track record of drafting and developing young players. The

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Speaker 1: Reds don't have that. They've had like six hitting coaches

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Speaker 1: over the last ten years, a couple of different managers.

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Speaker 1: Like I just I'm finding the hard. I'm finding it

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Speaker 1: hard to find the thing that I can hang my

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Speaker 1: hat on to get me excited about this season, other

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Speaker 1: than Hey, the weather's going to be nice and the

871
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Speaker 1: Reds are on the radio? Is there anything else? Your

872
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: phone calls when we get back. This is seven hundred

873
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Speaker 1: WLW under the hour. I have several cuts from the

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Speaker 1: interview we did with Charlie Goldsmith, from Charlie's Chalkboard and

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Speaker 1: from Fox nineteen about the Reds that I want to

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Speaker 1: get to, including about what Charlie says is debunking a

877
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Speaker 1: myth about the twenty twenty six Reds. I'll tell you

878
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Speaker 1: about that, about the slowly moving free agent market, and

879
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: so much more. We've got a lot of good stuff

880
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Speaker 1: from the interview we did on Friday on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 1: thirty with Charlie Goldsmith, So stick around after the news

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Speaker 1: for that. Right now, though, we've got time for phone calls.

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Speaker 1: Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to Dayton and talk to Jeff. What's up, Jeff, Hie Austin, Oh.

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Speaker 2: I enjoy when you're on the ear. I wish you

886
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Speaker 2: were on more, but I really enjoy your shows. It's

887
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Speaker 2: very nice, Yes, sir, h okay, quickly the Reds. I

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00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: think you're playing down the Reds batting lineup this year. Look,

889
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: they had a lot of Andrews. All teams do, but

890
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Speaker 2: let's just say they all stay healthy. All teams stay healthy.

891
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Speaker 2: And he's talking that, but let's say they all do.

892
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Speaker 2: He got Steer. It's going to come back. I think

893
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Speaker 2: he's going to hit more home runs this year because

894
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Speaker 2: he had that injured shoulder last year. He's still at

895
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Speaker 2: twenty two. I think McClean will bounce back. It's uh,

896
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Speaker 2: I really believe that. I think the kids are very

897
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Speaker 2: good ballplayer. He has trouble with off speed cutters, and

898
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he works for them in the off seasons.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be back. Now let's talk about powers.

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Speaker 2: I think you know South starts west twenty five pounds.

901
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Speaker 2: He's six to one. Last year we had two. I

902
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Speaker 2: saw a film on working up in the gym. This

903
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: kid is, he's ready. He had a conversation with Tito

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Speaker 2: about conditioning and he lost twenty five pounds. That sounds

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Speaker 2: betty to it.

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Speaker 11: He is.

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Speaker 2: I think he and Mark the bot it quot for

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Speaker 2: thirty four months.

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Speaker 1: I really do. So.

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Speaker 2: All you have if you have to put South Steward

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Speaker 2: at first base especially, have always weight loss of the

912
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: little quicker over there at first base, and then he

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Speaker 2: puts Steer in left field if you like. I know

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Speaker 2: he's the gold glover or quote it. But he's also

915
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Speaker 2: a very good left fielder. So now you've got solid outfield.

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Speaker 2: It's call it infield as far as d.

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Speaker 7: H and you know you can.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they won't bring back my Miguel and Boar. I'm

919
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Speaker 2: if they do finally take the oy with that too,

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Speaker 2: but I and then you got to go finally with

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Speaker 2: the pitching staff. I don't think there's a better pitching

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Speaker 2: staff in baseball outside of maybe the Boxers.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah about the Cubs and yeah, no, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, Jeff, like everything you said, that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: I would do. I would put Steering left, I'd put

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Speaker 1: Stewart at first. I'd play them every single day. I

927
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Speaker 1: see what happens. They got to figure out who's gonna

928
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Speaker 1: be the backup to Matt McClain, because I think Ellie's

929
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Speaker 1: gonna get more days off this year. And I want

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Speaker 1: to believe all the stuff you're saying, And Jeff of

931
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Speaker 1: Ntrisne squeeze in one more phone call. Thanks again, Like

932
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Speaker 1: I want to believe all the stuff you're saying, but

933
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Speaker 1: it just hasn't happened yet. They haven't put it all together,

934
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Speaker 1: they haven't stayed entirely healthy. They don't have depth good

935
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Speaker 1: enough to compete if those guys do go down now,

936
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Speaker 1: pitching staff wise, I think they're fine, but the depth

937
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Speaker 1: isn't there. And again, hope is not a strategy. There

938
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Speaker 1: aren't enough proven dudes that can go and do it

939
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Speaker 1: consistently on the roster. And until I see that happen,

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing. I mean, even in

941
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, Vado hit thirty six homers. That was

942
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Speaker 1: a huge part of their offensive success. I just don't

943
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Speaker 1: know if that they have that type of dude on

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Speaker 1: the roster. Mike, we got about a minute here. What

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Speaker 1: do you got, Mike and Columbus.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, So I'm trying to make a quick you know,

947
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Speaker 12: I find an interesting Pittsburgh went out and got Brandon

948
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Speaker 12: Lowell and then the Reds traded Lucks. How nice would

949
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 12: it have been to had low in there, especially if

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Speaker 12: South Steur can have a big year at the plate,

951
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 12: that would have made a big difference in this offense.

952
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 12: But right now, I don't think they have a plan.

953
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Speaker 12: I think they're still just throwing guys out there seeing

954
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Speaker 12: what can happen.

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Speaker 1: My question to you, though.

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Speaker 12: Real quick is I mean a salary cap great? Maybe,

957
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Speaker 12: So I don't know I'm not a big fan of

958
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 12: salary caps, but it is out of control. But the

959
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 12: thing is, until they can figure out a way to

960
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Speaker 12: share this television revenue in which baseball is mostly regional,

961
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Speaker 12: you're not going to have a salary cap. And does

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Speaker 12: anybody believe the Dodgers are going to be okay with

963
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 12: a salary cap. I don't know how the ownership's going

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Speaker 12: to be when they spend all the money and they

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Speaker 12: have the roster they have, which, by the way, many

966
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Speaker 12: people fail to realize a lot of that roster are

967
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Speaker 12: grown players that they mind the long term contracts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they love to hear. Yeah, Mike, thank you for

969
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: the phone call. They have one of the best farm

970
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: systems in baseball, no doubt about it. They have a

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Speaker 1: TV deal that is far and away the most in

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, more than anybody else. A team like

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers want nothing to do with the salary cap.

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Speaker 1: The players also want nothing to do with the salary cap.

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Speaker 1: There needs to be something in place, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: where there is a salary floor and there is a

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Speaker 1: salary cap, and they have got to figure out a

978
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Speaker 1: way for these regional sports networks like the whole Bally

979
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: Sports are the FanDuel Sports Network thing that the Reds

980
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: are one of the excuses they're using not to spend money.

981
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: Other teams are doing that as well. They've got to

982
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: figure out how to make sense of the revenue sharing

983
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: with the TV deals in which it is an equal

984
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: playing field for everybody else. I honestly don't know if

985
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: it's possible, and I know the players are never going

986
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: to go for a salary cap, and for that reason,

987
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like there's not going to be

988
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: baseball next year. I think there's a long, long way

989
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: to go, and I don't know what the solution is.

990
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: I wish it was as simple as throwing a salary

991
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: floor and throwing a salary cap on there, but there's

992
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: way too many dollars at stake for teams like the

993
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: Dodgers that are going to prevent that. I'm way late

994
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: for the news when we come back. Charlie Goldsmith on

995
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW, continuing the Reds conversation. I mentioned earlier

996
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: that I co host Tony Pikes since E three p

997
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: sixty Down the Hall on ESPN fifteen thirty, and one

998
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of that show is every Friday,

999
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: we get a chance to talk to Charlie Goldsmith, and

1000
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: I wanted Charlie to be on this show today, but

1001
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Speaker 1: he was unfortunately unavailable. So I said, you know what,

1002
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: let me go cut up some of our interview with

1003
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: Charlie from Friday, because in my opinion, he's the best

1004
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: baseball writer in America, and the way that he perceives

1005
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: and understands and writes and offers perspective on the Reds

1006
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: is the best. I could just flat out it's the best.

1007
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: And I always learned something when Charlie talks and when

1008
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: he writes about him, and so I said, let's bring

1009
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: some of these this conversation to the airwaves on WLW today.

1010
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: And I thought what Charlie said about the idea that

1011
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: the Reds don't want to hit more home runs was

1012
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: really interesting. Now we had asked him about the idea,

1013
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: the possibility of bringing in Auhaneo Suarez, or what the

1014
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 1: mindset of the organization was when it comes to power.

1015
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what Charlie said about the twenty

1016
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: twenty six Reds and their belief about hitting home runs.

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Speaker 10: I want to clarify something. The Reds are trying to

1018
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 10: hit more homers this year. I talked to this guy,

1019
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 10: and I know, like there are different Chrystal Laker quotes

1020
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 10: that have taken off, Like I talked to Chris at

1021
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 10: the winter meeting, Like when he talked about the off

1022
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 10: season strategical plans that they've developed for most of their hitters.

1023
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 10: They circle around impacting the baseball war. So I Matt

1024
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 10: McClain's added like ten pounds or something, and he plans

1025
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 10: to drive the ball more. I haven't confirmed this with Ellie,

1026
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 10: but my guess would be that Ellie is going to

1027
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 10: stick with the high leg kick that he ended last

1028
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 10: season with, which is his home run kind of sell

1029
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 10: out for power swings. They're committing to playing South Stewart.

1030
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 10: That's a power driven decision. All of these are developmental focus.

1031
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 10: I don't expect them to or I guess they theoretically

1032
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 10: could with a guy like Swarez, but they would. Power

1033
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 10: isn't necessarily the first thing that they'll prioritize when they

1034
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 10: add a free agent. But if the Suarez market dips enough,

1035
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 10: which maybe it will, because clearly he's not as in

1036
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 10: pursuit as a lot of projections expected him to be.

1037
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 10: At the start of the season. If he's get him

1038
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 10: for the right price, that makes it much easier to

1039
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 10: pigeonhole him. Is just a full time ignore the defense

1040
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 10: and live with the strikeouts. But the Reds, how they've

1041
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 10: built this organization kind of strategically and philosophically from hitting perspective,

1042
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 10: doesn't necessarily mean, oh, we just have no interest in

1043
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 10: anyone who would hit homers, or any interest in having

1044
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 10: our own guys try to hit more homes.

1045
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: That is Charlie Goldsmith about the Reds philosophy when it

1046
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: comes to home runs. That's good to hear. I assume

1047
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: and hope and expect it to be true. I need

1048
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: to see them hit more home runs. They have to.

1049
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: You know, they've talked a lot about the philosophy being

1050
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: able to drive the ball and string together hits, and

1051
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: it's part of the reason why Terry Francona is not

1052
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: as aggressive on the base pass. And that's a whole

1053
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: other can of worms to open up. But how many

1054
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: times last year would the Reds season have been totally

1055
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: different if they just had a guy that could hit

1056
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: the ball over the fence, it would have been entirely different.

1057
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm a big believer in Noel vi Marte.

1058
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in Elie de la Cruz. It

1059
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: could be as simple as those two guys fully healthy

1060
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: for an entire season changes the dynamics of this team

1061
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: from a power standpoint, It really could. But again, I

1062
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: just haven't seen enough of it to believe it yet,

1063
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Speaker 1: and I hope that Charlie's assessment is accurate. He talked

1064
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Speaker 1: about a guy like Auhanio Suarez I mentioned earlier, and

1065
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: again this interview was from Friday. Austin Hayes signed yesterday

1066
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: with the Chicago White Sox. Luis arise Is signed with

1067
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: the San Francisco Giants. So guys out there that could

1068
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: provide some more offense are getting plucked up. Other than that, though,

1069
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: it's been a very slowly moving free agency period. Here's

1070
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: what Charlie had to say about that.

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Speaker 10: They see even more so. And I don't know if

1072
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 10: it's the TV stuff or really what's going on, but

1073
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 10: there is a stunning amount of free agents left unside.

1074
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 10: Like I haven't studied the starting pitching market as much

1075
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 10: because the Red don't need one, but like there's still

1076
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 10: like twenty like legit starting pitchers available, like every team

1077
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 10: could use Nick Martinez. He's just sitting out there. And

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Speaker 10: then on the position player side, I think it's like

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01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 10: five outfielders, five DH's all of the first basemen, basically

1080
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Speaker 10: all of the utility players. And it's normal because it's

1081
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 10: just like life, like it's like what are you gonna

1082
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 10: do on Saturday night. You'll keep your options open, you'll

1083
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 10: but eventually it's like Saturday at four and it's like,

1084
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,479
Speaker 10: oh wait, like I need to actually get this done.

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01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 10: Deadlines make deals, and the freeze is continuing, and eventually

1086
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 10: over the next week, ass that puts will come to

1087
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 10: shove and you'll see a ton of action because there

1088
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 10: are a ton of real players out there.

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Speaker 1: That's already proven to be true with the two signings.

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01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: Twenty four hours after Charlie made those comments, I also

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01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: wanted to ask Charlie about Rhet Louder because that feels like,

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01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: to me, a name that's kind of flown under the radar.

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Speaker 1: You had a tough season with injuries last year, and

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01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: I asked Charlie, what's the latest with Red Louder. What's

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Speaker 1: the plan for him as we go into spring training?

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Speaker 10: So he's full go and his off season is I guess,

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Speaker 10: very similar to what it was last year, which was

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01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 10: a normal healthy offseason for him entering the spring. The

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01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 10: reality is, as long as I've been doing this, someone

1100
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 10: always gets hurt during spring training. That's happened every year.

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01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 10: So if you look at the red main rotation candidates, Green, Lidolo, Abbott, Burns, Singer,

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Speaker 10: I would set really Singer Burns, I would say those

1103
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 10: are your clear top five. I think case Burns would

1104
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 10: be wasting his time throwing another pitch in the minors.

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 10: So if you were breaking camp right now with this

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Speaker 10: being your team, I'd have burned a head a lauder

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Speaker 10: in that competition. But because someone always gets hurt, has

1108
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 10: to slow play their throwing program, like Andrew Rabbit spent

1109
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 10: the first two weeks on the IL last year because

1110
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 10: he was a bit behind with its drown progression, like

1111
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 10: something like that always happened. So that could open up

1112
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Speaker 10: a spot for Louder, who I think.

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01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 2: More than more and more than a big.

1114
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 10: League caliber arm right now already, even with him having

1115
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 10: missed the year. But if you get lucky and everyone

1116
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 10: stays healthy, I think there's also nothing wrong with the

1117
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 10: guy who just missed an entire season, getting a couple

1118
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 10: starts in Triple I, until the need opens up, until

1119
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 10: someone gets hurt, because really, you do mean nine or

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Speaker 10: ten starting pitchers you trust.

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01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 2: On your depth.

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Speaker 1: That is Charlie Goldsmith from our show on Friday. We

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Speaker 1: also asked him about injuries. We've talked about it a

1124
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Speaker 1: lot today. Already healthy, everybody's staying healthy, the depth being

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01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: able to put together a full season. I asked him,

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Speaker 1: are there any injuries going into spring training that could

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01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: linger like we saw a year ago with Andrew Rabbit

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Speaker 1: and with Spencer Steer. Is there anything like that that's

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01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: going to crop up over the next week or so.

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Speaker 1: Here's what Charlie had to say.

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01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 10: I specifically, I asked Terry Francona or Red Sveeth just

1132
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 10: two weeks ago, and he said, the only one that

1133
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 10: was even on his radar was just Tyler Callahan coming

1134
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 10: back from two major surgeries, and he was swinging and

1135
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 10: doing all that stuff. But they might have to keep

1136
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 10: an eye on him, is what Francona said. But other

1137
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 10: than that, when I asked, there was nothing that came up.

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01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: So that's good news obviously to have such little injury

1139
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: issues going into spring training we'll see if there's any

1140
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: differences or if there were any you know, injuries in

1141
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: training in the off season, when the full squad gets

1142
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: there in about seven eight to ten days, and we'll

1143
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: see what the story is then. But I also wanted

1144
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: to know about the backup second base position because it's

1145
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: kind of an important spot. If Elie de la Cruz

1146
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: is going to get more days off, then somebody's gonna

1147
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: have to play second base while Matt McClain plays shortstop.

1148
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: And in the past, maybe it's been a Spencer Steer,

1149
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: maybe it's been Gavin Lux, maybe there's been santiago Es.

1150
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: But all those guys aren't here anymore, and Steer is

1151
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: expected to play first in the outfield. So what's the

1152
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: latest with that battle? Here's what Charlie had to.

1153
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 10: Say, any important thing, because like they're going to get

1154
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 10: any more days off, when Ellie gets a day off,

1155
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 10: how do you fill your infield that day? Because McClain's

1156
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 10: going to be at short so at second there are

1157
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 10: three options. Option one is that they still add a

1158
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 10: utility player between now and the start of the season,

1159
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 10: and it could even be if the prices line up,

1160
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 10: they could add another you know kind of outfield, first

1161
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 10: base type where which would be a bat first guy

1162
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 10: and then sign a utility guy as well, just to

1163
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 10: fill your gaps, give you more comfort, give you more

1164
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 10: confidence to kind of fill the role that Espinal had

1165
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 10: last season, and big league guys. Big league teams have

1166
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 10: guys like that on their team. Option number two would

1167
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 10: be short and yes, it sounded like he's been focusing

1168
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 10: on first and third. He played seventeen games in the

1169
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 10: miners at second last year. He's not your prototypical second

1170
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 10: baseman's it's a position he doesn't really have a ton

1171
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 10: of experience that would you be willing to have him,

1172
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 10: you know, be able to start there in a pinch

1173
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 10: is a question that you probably would have the answer

1174
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 10: to until springs, until you see how it looks. Now

1175
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 10: you get to Spencer Steer, who has more experienced at second,

1176
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 10: but the last time we saw him there in twenty

1177
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 10: twenty four spring training, who went pretty poorly. Can he

1178
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 10: still in a second? I know that was a conversation

1179
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 10: in October. Something he could work on during the offseason. Again,

1180
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 10: something will need to see in spring. I'd love for

1181
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 10: Steer orst Or to be able to play second, because

1182
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 10: if you don't sign that utility guy in Steer and

1183
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 10: Stout Camps. Well, then all of a sudden, you're opening

1184
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 10: up an opportunity for Tyler Callahan or a Michael schauvis

1185
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 10: or I guess Garrett Hampson to be on the roster,

1186
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 10: which is something that we're not expecting right now. But

1187
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 10: you need a backup second basement. So that's how you

1188
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 10: circle back.

1189
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: To that is Charlie Goldsmith, And that to me is,

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01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, the most fascinating part of

1191
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: this team. And I know that might be boring to

1192
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: have a backup second basement position as the most fascinating part,

1193
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: but it is like, truthfully, how is this team gonna

1194
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: look when Ellie isn't playing? Because we saw that the

1195
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: big one sixty two was a little bit too much

1196
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: for him last year. He played hurt through a lot

1197
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: of it, and for some reason the Reds refused to

1198
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: tell him, no, Well, he's gonna get tight days off

1199
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: this year and he should. Can the Reds stay afloat

1200
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: without Elie de la Cruz in the lineup? Without his

1201
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: that threat of Ellie and also, guys are going to

1202
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: get hurt, much like Charlie said at the beginning of

1203
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: all this, Do you have the depth to be able

1204
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: to withstand an injury. If the guy's out for ten days,

1205
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: if he's out for two weeks, if he's out for

1206
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: a month, how do you adjust? What is the plan

1207
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: for that? The Reds so far to this point, to me,

1208
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: haven't planned well enough for it. I also asked Charlie

1209
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: about the next step for a guy like Nicklodolo. Here's

1210
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:47,479
Speaker 1: what he had to say.

1211
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Speaker 10: Lodolo in twenty twenty three never came back from the

1212
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 10: calf injury. But I think if he did in twenty

1213
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 10: twenty three, Lodolo, if he did in more importantly, the

1214
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 10: red made the playoffs in twenty twenty three, which obviously

1215
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 10: they didn't, I think Lodola would have been the Game

1216
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 10: one starter in twenty twenty three. Now, it was a

1217
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 10: bit of a different circumstance in twenty twenty five, because

1218
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 10: you know, Abbott had levels up to that extent, because

1219
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 10: Hunter had You know, he was basically coming off complete

1220
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 10: games shutout against the Cubs that he had just delivered,

1221
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 10: and we all know what his upside is. But over

1222
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 10: the course of Lodola's career effort, several smart baseball people

1223
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 10: I really trust say they'd take Lodolo over the group personally. Actually,

1224
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 10: I think I might take Chase Burns out of that

1225
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 10: entire group, just if you're giving me one guy for

1226
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 10: the rest of his career. But because the breaking ball

1227
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 10: and the arm angle and all that, and the ability

1228
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 10: to play that sinker up in the zone is so

1229
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 10: rare from Lodolo. It really is that front line upside.

1230
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 10: And I was thinking to myself today, like, what's the

1231
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 10: thing for Nick this year? Like, what's the big kind

1232
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 10: of you know, the way I think of it as

1233
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 10: a story I'm going to write and sprint and for me,

1234
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 10: for Nick, you know who accomplished stang healthy last year?

1235
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 10: What if he looks like as a starter in the

1236
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 10: playoffs in a must win game.

1237
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: Since know, we.

1238
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 10: Forget that he had to pitch out of the bullten

1239
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 10: last year because they needed him in Game one sixty

1240
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 10: two because they were kind of going all in to

1241
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 10: win that game, and that cost them Lodola starting game too.

1242
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 10: So what does Nick Lodola look like in as a

1243
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 10: starter on that stage. That's kind of a last question

1244
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 10: for me about him, And that's an exciting place for.

1245
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: A Pitcher to be great stuff from Charlie Goldsmith. You

1246
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: can find that entire interview, including the Bengals side of

1247
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: the conversation, on ESPN fifteen thirty dot com and anywhere

1248
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: you get your podcast. Just search for Cincy three sixty

1249
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: and our conversation Tony Pike and myself with Charlie Goldsmith

1250
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: is there and it's all really really good. When we

1251
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: come back, a quick look around the rest of the

1252
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: National League Central. What are the expectations for the rest

1253
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: of the division and how do the Reds compare. We'll

1254
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: talk about that next on seven hundred WLW Sunday afternoons,

1255
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. My name's Austin Elmore. Thanks for being here.

1256
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: Tell you what's coming up at the top of the hour.

1257
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: In just a moment, I will tell you this. At

1258
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: five point thirty five, Paul Fritchner from the Rebound Rundown

1259
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: we'll stop by to talk a little college hoops. Looking

1260
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: forward to talking to Paul. He's got a great thing

1261
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: going on with the Rebound Rundown podcast. We'll talk to

1262
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: you about that. I mentioned the National League Central. If

1263
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: there is something that gives me hope when it comes

1264
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: to the Reds. I don't feel like the other teams

1265
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: in the division have done a bunch to separate themselves

1266
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: from anybody else, Like I think they're all kind of

1267
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: clumped together in the same grouping. Now the Cardinals, I

1268
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: don't think they're actually trying to win baseball games. They

1269
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: traded away Nolan Aeronato, they traded away Sonny Gray. That

1270
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: is an organization that has deeply fallen from where it

1271
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: used to be, and they are are not like going

1272
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: to be a competitive bunch at all. The Pirates have

1273
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: actually spent a decent amount of money. It feels like

1274
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: they've heard the crawls from Paul Skins and from their

1275
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: fan base to say, okay, you guys better you know,

1276
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: build around Paul Skins here or else. You're gonna lose

1277
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: a lot of fans and you're gonna lose him. Well,

1278
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: they haven't necessarily done a bunch to separate themselves, But

1279
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: the Pirates I don't think will be a pushover by

1280
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: any stretch next season. And then, of course, the Cubs

1281
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: have signed Alex Bregman to a long term deal. They've

1282
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 1: beefed up their pitching staff a little bit. They lost

1283
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker, to the Dodgers. That's gonna be a big blow,

1284
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: but he wasn't great last year. The Cubs have some

1285
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: shuffling to do around in their infield and might still

1286
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: end up making a trade, but they are the favorites

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01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 1: in the NL Central. Here are the current win totals

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01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: according to fan Duel sportsbook, the Cubs are eighty eight

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: and a half is the over under on win total.

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01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: They are the favorite in the National League Central. That

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01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: is followed by the Brewers at eighty five and a half,

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Speaker 1: of the Reds at eighty one and a half, the

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: Pirates at seventy four and a half, in the Cardinals

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01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,959
Speaker 1: at seventy one and a half. The Brewers are maddening

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01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: because it feels like they never do anything, but they

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01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: win eighty five to ninety five games. They develop some

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01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: good young pitching, they developed some scrappy outfielders. They got

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: guys who play hard, YadA, YadA, YadA. Okay, we're gonna

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01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: just accidentally fall out of bed and win ninety games.

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01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, their manager is one of the best in

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01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, Pat Coch, So like, they're always going

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: to be formidable, They're always going to be tough, Chicago.

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01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 1: You know, it feels like the Reds have always played

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01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: well against the Cubs. Seems like they always seem to

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01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: up their game against the Cubs for whatever reason. So

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01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: I have a lot of faith in that. But like

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01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: as our caller mentioned earlier, when you look at the

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01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: pitching staff of every single one of these teams, you

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01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: will take the red over and over and over again.

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01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter if it's starting rotation, bullpen, one or the other,

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01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: you'll take the Reds. And so for that reason, and

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01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: the teams that you play the majority of your games against,

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01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: including one team in Saint Louis who's actively not trying,

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01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: that in and of itself makes me feel good about

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01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: the Reds prospects of at the very least being competitive

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01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: in the National League Central. And if you're able to

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01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: win the division, that gives you quite the advantage and

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01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: being able to host a game instead of going out

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01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 1: to LA and being one of those wild card teams. So,

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01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: just as it stacks up against the rest of the

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01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: National League Central, I don't think that is as much

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01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: of an uphill battle as maybe the rest of the

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01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: National League is for the Reds. When we come back,

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01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: I have a request for Zach Taylor. He said something

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01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: about Duke Tobin that I need him to apply to himself.

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01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it is next. WLW man two

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Speaker 1: hours down, one to go. Hi, Hello, Welcome in final

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Speaker 1: hour of a little Sunday afternoons sports talk here on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. My name's Austin Olmore. Thank you for

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01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: being here, Thank you for listening. We talked to Bengals

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01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 1: an hour one, including a chat with Paul Danner Junior.

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: We talked Reds an hour two, and we're gonna split

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01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: this hour with some more Bengals and a little bit

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01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: of college basketball. Coming up at five point thirty five,

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01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: Paul Fritchner from the Rebound Rundown podcast is gonna join us.

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: He's also a play by play man. He's all over

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01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: the Big East. He's gonna talk some college hoops with us,

1338
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: including the story of the country, at least in our eyes,

1339
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: the Miami RedHawks at twenty two and oh, we'll get

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01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: to that coming up after the news. But I want

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: to finish a thought a conversation about the Bengals. I'm

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: gonna get to the continuity thing. I asked Paul little

1343
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: bit about that earlier and when you look at the

1344
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: rest of the AFC North, in the lack of continuity,

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01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: the Bengals' ability to stick with their staff and their

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01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: people and their process, it really sticks out like a

1347
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: sore thumb, not just in the AFC North, but also

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: in the rest of the league. And so I was

1349
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: thinking a lot about something Zach Taylor said at the

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01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: end of year press conference he had right after the

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01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: Bengals played the Browns in the first week of January,

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01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: and he was asked about his working relationship with Duke

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01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: Tobin and what he likes about Duke, and he said

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01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: that working with Duke is there's no ego whatsoever. Egos

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01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: are checked at the door, there's no arrogance, there's no

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01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: ego like he loves working with a guy like that

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01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: who's not afraid to be open minded and be willing

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01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: to concede on things and talk through it and just

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01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 1: not have an ego. And I appreciated that answer because

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 1: we don't know that much about Duke Tobin, and there

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01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: are probably enough evidence out there to make you think

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: that there is some ego involved with a guy like

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01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin, but Zach says otherwise, And I think about that,

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01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 1: and I think about the statement that was released by

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01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: Mike Brown that same morning saying that the Bengals are

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01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: sticking by Duke Tobin and sticking by Zach Taylor, but

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01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: that they are looking at everything they do when it

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01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: comes to their process. And it made me wonder of

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01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: all the issues the Bengals have, this is not the

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01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: biggest one, but it does make me wonder if it's

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01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: where they can get better at in the margins, and

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01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: does it have to do with ego? And it's Zach

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01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: Taylor calling the place. I don't like to complain about

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01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: play calling. I don't think Zach Taylor is a bad

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01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: play caller, but I think there are times throughout the

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01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 1: course of the season in which there was a play

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01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,839
Speaker 1: call that got in late that cost them five yards,

1378
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: or it cost them to burn a timeout, or it

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01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 1: led to frustration on the sideline. There are little operational

1380
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: things about the way Zach Taylor calls the plays that

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01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: I wonder if somebody else was doing it. Would it

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01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: improve the Bengals offense in the margins? Would it improve

1383
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: the game management portion in the margins? Would it give

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01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: you one extra possession in some way, shape or form,

1385
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,879
Speaker 1: Would it allow you to throw the challenge flag sooner?

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01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 1: Would it prevents you from burning a time out that

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01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,719
Speaker 1: you can use later in the game, and that gives

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01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: you another chance to go and win it with an

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01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: Evan McPherson field goal. The little things, the tiny details,

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01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: are what I want cleaned up. When it comes to

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01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: the offense. Now, they need a third wide receiver who

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01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: can win one on one coverage consistently. Andrey Yoshivash wasn't

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01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: that they need to re sign Dalton Reisner at the

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01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: right guard position. They need another tight end, They need

1395
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: some backup offensive linemen. Those are relatively inexpensive, no brainer,

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01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 1: cheap things to do with the offense. You've got the

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01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: other ten starters already on the books, like, you're good?

1398
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: How can you improve it? If you're looking at everything

1399
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: when it comes to the process of being a winning

1400
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: football team, that would include play calling as well. I mean, hell,

1401
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,799
Speaker 1: we're having the conversation a week ago about Dan Pitcher

1402
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: potentially leaving the Bengals so that he can go and

1403
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: do the same thing the same position in Tampa with

1404
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers. But because it would be a play calling position,

1405
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: it would help him get his dream job of being

1406
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: a head coach because Zach will not allow Dan Pitcher

1407
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: to call the place. And anytime play calling has been

1408
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: brought up, Zach has referenced that it's a collaborative approach

1409
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: and throughout the week they're building the game plan and

1410
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: what does Joe like, and what does Zach like? And

1411
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: what does Dan like? And what does all the other

1412
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: guys involved in the offense, what do they like? And

1413
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: then on game day itself, it's just Zach who's the

1414
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: one pressing the button and talking into the ear of

1415
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. If the process is truly that collaborative, then

1416
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: why can't somebody else do it on game days? And

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01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: can that allow Zach Taylor to become a better head coach? Now,

1418
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: there are a lot of play calling head coaches in

1419
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: the NFL. Mike McDonald is one of them, for the

1420
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks calling the defense. Now on the other sideline,

1421
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel is not. He doesn't call the defense. A

1422
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, who is with the Broncos, he calls the offense.

1423
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: They were in the AFC Championship game. I'm not saying

1424
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: a head coach calling the plays determines whether or not,

1425
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: a team has a chance to go deep into the playoffs.

1426
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: But if you have guys on your offense like Dan

1427
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: Pitcher who have been there for a long time. Dan

1428
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: Pitcher was here when Marvin Lewis was the coach, and

1429
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, who's going to be entering his seventh season,

1430
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: and Chase and Higgins, and the continuity that you have

1431
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: strictly on the personnel side of the offense, whether that's

1432
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 1: players or coaches, doesn't that make it an easier transition

1433
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: to have someone else call the place. And by the way,

1434
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: if it goes poorly, Zach can just say okay, I'm

1435
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: calling him now. I just wonder if the details and

1436
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 1: if there's ego there from Zach Taylor as if to say,

1437
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: you know what, I can let somebody else do this.

1438
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to talk to our defense.

1439
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to talk to Al Golden.

1440
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to get the report on an injury.

1441
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to work the official I'm

1442
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: not going to have to burn a time out. I'm

1443
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: gonna be able to talk to our replay guy, our

1444
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: analytics dude will be able to give me a little

1445
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: bit more information because I'm not delivering a play call.

1446
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: How often did you hear Joe Burrow putting his hands

1447
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 1: over his ears or smacking on his helmet or pointing

1448
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: at it and say I can't hear you. Or the

1449
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,839
Speaker 1: play call came in late, or the play clock expired

1450
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: and you can't get the call in, or you got

1451
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: a burn of time out, or you take it to

1452
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: lay a game, or there's a false start because you're rush.

1453
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: Can you clean that portion of it up? I don't

1454
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: think that's a lot to ask. I really don't, And

1455
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: again I don't think it's the biggest issue in the world.

1456
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 1: But when you need every advantage possible to win, that

1457
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 1: sort of stuff has to be fixed as far as

1458
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. And the other thing, too, is when you

1459
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: look at the rest of the AFC North, the Browns

1460
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: with a new head coach in Todd Munkin, the Ravens

1461
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: in a new head coach in Jesse mentor the Steelers

1462
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: with a new head coach, albeit an experienced one in

1463
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. The continuity that the Bengals have from top

1464
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: to bottom in their staff, and I mentioned earlier that

1465
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: they have hired an assistant wide receivers coach earlier today

1466
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: to our knowledge, that's the only acquisition and they're been

1467
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: no no departures yet to our knowledge. That has to

1468
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: count for something, right. As Paul said earlier, continuity is

1469
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: better than no continuity. But I already don't like that

1470
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: this is being used as a buzzword this offseason. Oh well,

1471
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 1: we got the continuity. We don't have to wait that

1472
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: long for uh. We don't have to wait that long

1473
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 1: for uh uh Al Golden and his staff to get

1474
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: together and to work with the personnel staff and the

1475
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: scouting department to figure out what exactly is going on

1476
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: and what type of player we want to you know,

1477
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: put together. You don't have to worry about that stuff.

1478
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: That all together, to me, makes this a very much

1479
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: make or break year for the Bengals now obviously right

1480
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: as of now, next season, in the season after those

1481
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: are the years left on Zach taylor contract. Then what

1482
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: happens if you go next year and this thing fails.

1483
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: I feel like Mike Brown would be a lot more

1484
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: likely to move on from Zach Taylor with a year

1485
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: left on his contract as opposed to two. I also

1486
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: think it's noteworthy that Mike Brown mentioned Duke Tobin in

1487
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: that statement, and Duke Tobin and his staff have added

1488
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 1: people to that scouting department. And now you're in the

1489
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: back half of this decade in which the contracts of

1490
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: Higgins and Chason Burrow expire at the end of this

1491
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 1: and with the continuity in place in the AFC North

1492
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 1: here more than anywhere else, it makes you think, Okay,

1493
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: it's really going to be the pressure is really going

1494
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: to be felt by Zach Taylor in this coaching staff.

1495
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: It has to be a make or break year. There

1496
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: are no excuses when it comes to the rest of

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Speaker 1: the AFC North, and especially if they spend a lot

1498
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: of money in free agency, like we expect them to do,

1499
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: if they do see improvements on defense, if they can't

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01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form, at the bare minimum

1501
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: get back to the playoffs, we're gonna be having this

1502
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: conversation right now talking about who the Bengals new head coaches.

1503
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: And I think that sort of pressure and that sort

1504
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 1: of understanding by the coaching staff and by the players

1505
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: and by the entire organization is a good thing. I

1506
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 1: really do. The Bengals have just had another player named

1507
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl. I'll tell you who it is

1508
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: next on seven hundred WLW. All Right, we got some

1509
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 1: breaking news. It is the first of the month and

1510
01:23:53,960 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: the Reds have made an acquisition. Ready for this. Buckle

1511
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: your seat belts, put your car in park, drive over

1512
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: to the side of the road if you need to.

1513
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 1: We're just talking about the Reds and this need for power.

1514
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: Right Well, they've got power. ESPN's Jeff Passen is reporting

1515
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: that the Cincinnati Reds and slugger au Hanio Suarez are

1516
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:29,440
Speaker 1: in agreement on a one year, fifteen million dollar contract

1517
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 1: that includes a mutual option for the twenty twenty seven season.

1518
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: Passing says he's the best bat left on the market

1519
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: and he goes to Cincinnati, where he's expected to get

1520
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: most of his at bats as a DH. I want

1521
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 1: your immediate reaction. We've got seven minutes five one, three, seven, four, nine,

1522
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: seven thousand, your immediate reaction to au Hanio Suarez being

1523
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 1: the latest acqui position for the Reds. Now. I'm sure

1524
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: people like Jim Day are fired up, good friends with

1525
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: au Haneo Suarez and just swore as saying Jim Day

1526
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: is hilarious every single day. But I mean what do

1527
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: you think the guy hits a bunch of homers. He's

1528
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: a fan favorite. I hope this isn't one of those

1529
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: moves where it's like, oh, yeah, Suarez is gonna sell tickets,

1530
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: so that's why we're gonna sign him. I mean, that's typically,

1531
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's what we've come to know with the Reds.

1532
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: Au Haneo last year for the Diamondbacks and the Mariners

1533
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: hit forty nine bombs with one hundred and eighteen runs

1534
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: batted in. If he did that this year, I'd be

1535
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: pretty excited. Let's go to Mike in Independence. Mike, your reaction.

1536
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, I just poured on my driveway and you're

1537
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 3: announcer game of Goosebumps.

1538
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: Man goose Bumps.

1539
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, pretty excited. Yeah that's uh good news.

1540
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, it is Sworez. Like, where do you rank him, like,

1541
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 1: among your favorite Reds of all time? Because a lot

1542
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: of people love the guy.

1543
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like him. I like the foreign guys who

1544
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 3: have trouble with the language, who seem to appreciate everything

1545
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 3: on Jose Rio were my favorite small time I like

1546
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 3: the way he talks.

1547
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fair enough, Mike, Mike, thank you. Suarez

1548
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: is a funny guy. Let's go to Tim and Cole Raine.

1549
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: What's up? Tim?

1550
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 11: Helly Austin, how you doing, Bud?

1551
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm wonderful. The Red's got a bat.

1552
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 2: Finally we have power.

1553
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 13: We have power, are yo?

1554
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 2: Well, we just won't give you a radio swarz back

1555
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 2: and hopefully he makes this helps us get back to

1556
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,520
Speaker 2: where we need to be and to dig on playoffs.

1557
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to just constantly have somebody in the lineup

1558
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: who poses a threat to go deep. I think is huge.

1559
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 10: Exactly, Yes, it is, yea, and that's my stance on it.

1560
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim, thank you for the phone call. I get

1561
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: forty nine homers, one hundred and eighteen runs bad it is.

1562
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: He's going to strike out a lot. His on base

1563
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 1: percentage was less than three hundred. But sometimes if you

1564
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: got a DH in the lineup, can the dude put

1565
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: one in the in the smokestacks? Can he put one

1566
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: in the second deck over there by the Kroger's the

1567
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 1: K zone. Maybe it's the difference in four or five, six,

1568
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: seven games over the course of a season. Let's go

1569
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: to Saint Louis where John is standing by John your reaction.

1570
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 7: Hey, sorry, I maybe you're repeating because I.

1571
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 14: Mess what he had said, but I think it's I

1572
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 14: think it's a great idea. I mean, they got to

1573
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 14: do something. They have to do something. I remember picking

1574
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,719
Speaker 14: up I live out of town, but a huge Red fan,

1575
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 14: and you pick up the news in the morning from

1576
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 14: Cincinnati dot com Andy who had picked up some bats

1577
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,759
Speaker 14: and a guy's bat in two thirty two thirty five.

1578
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 14: I mean, come on, so this is something who knows

1579
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 14: what they'll do with it, but it's something I'll take it.

1580
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: I agree with you, John, And that's a good way

1581
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: to look at it. Like they didn't sign Barry Bonds

1582
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 1: or Ken Griffy Junior, they didn't sign Kyle Schwarber, but

1583
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: they signed a powerful bat, a right handed bat who

1584
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: can hit left handed pitching, and a guy you can

1585
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: plug in as DH just about every day. That's a

1586
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: good thing. And a dude that can hit the ball

1587
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 1: out of the ballpark. I mean, you just had the

1588
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: conversation what an hour ago about maybe it's as simple

1589
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 1: as Marte and de la Cruz and those two guys

1590
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: being healthy generating all the power. Well, now it's not

1591
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: all on their shoulders. If Suarez is going to be

1592
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: there every day. It's going to brand in an indie. Brandon,

1593
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: what's up, hey, Austin, how are you doing? I'm great, man,

1594
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? You know? I was telling people.

1595
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 15: This year I was bummed in the Bengals season and

1596
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 15: the Colts and all that. And because I love football,

1597
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 15: I know you do too, there's just nothing like NFL Sunday.

1598
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 15: And I was just kind of getting tired of baseball

1599
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 15: because I don't think there's gonna be a season next year.

1600
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 15: But that's next year, I guess. But I'm so glad

1601
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 15: to hear this. That just brightens my day.

1602
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 1: After it's kind of been a a little bit bum

1603
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: up a week in the kind of raw. But that

1604
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: that's really good. That's really good.

1605
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 15: I mean, I think I know he's not SWERB or anything,

1606
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 15: but I say I'm glad that Nick, carl and no

1607
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 15: guys put their heads together and finally have done something.

1608
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Brandon. I agree with you one hundred percent.

1609
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: We're starting to see a little bit more details about

1610
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 1: this deal. Charlie Goldsmith reporting, according to his sources, Suarez

1611
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: will likely play first base, third base, and dh the

1612
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,919
Speaker 1: Reds will not have to shed salary. That is important.

1613
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 1: The Reds will not have to shed salary and there

1614
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: is no deferred money in the contract. Now we've gotten

1615
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: accustomed to, Well, if the Reds are gonna sign somebody

1616
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 1: for a decent amount of money, well then they've got

1617
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: to shed the salary somewhere else. Charlie says, that's not

1618
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 1: going to happen here. He also says first base, third base,

1619
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 1: and DH are the possibilities for au Haanio Suarez. What

1620
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 1: this my immediate reaction is, Okay, what exactly does this

1621
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,560
Speaker 1: mean for South Stuart? What exactly does this mean for

1622
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: Fencer Steer? Because you know, Francota said, they want to

1623
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: give Steer the chance to play every day, but they

1624
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: are excuse me, Stuart the chance to play every day,

1625
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: but they want him to earn it, and they're not gonna,

1626
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 1: you know, put somebody in his way, like they're gonna

1627
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 1: give him the chance to earn it. Okay, Well, is

1628
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: he gonna be going back and forth with Suarez at

1629
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 1: d H at first base? Is this means Steer is

1630
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: basically exclusively an outfielder now, because you'd you'd I still

1631
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 1: don't know why they did it, but they signed Key

1632
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 1: Brian Hayes. They traded for Key Brian Hayes. He's here

1633
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 1: for the rest of the decade, and he's the best

1634
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 1: third baseman defensive third baseman in all of baseball. They

1635
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: value that he ain't moving and he can't hit. So

1636
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with Key Brian Hayes. Is

1637
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: he gonna be one of those late game replacements for defense.

1638
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't know so if that's the best way to

1639
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:05,759
Speaker 1: spend that money. But okay, one more phone call. Pat

1640
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 1: In Dayton. Your reaction to Auhaneo Suarez signing with Reds.

1641
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: I like it. I kind of see him.

1642
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 13: He's probably on like the fourteenth or fifteenth.

1643
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 5: Pole of his career.

1644
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 13: I would say, yeah, he's streaky, but he's a guy

1645
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 13: that the Reds haven't had, who's literally every team he's

1646
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 13: been on, you'll look and you'll he's the hottest player

1647
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 13: in baseball for about two or three weeks every single season.

1648
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,560
Speaker 13: He's sure he'll win you five games a week, sometimes

1649
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 13: in a short period. But I see him playing about

1650
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 13: one hundred and twenty five or one hundred and thirty

1651
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 13: games and pretty much guaranteed that if a lefties start

1652
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 13: and he's going to be your starting DH every time.

1653
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I agree with you, Pat, Thank you

1654
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: for the phone call. And I mentioned there's some swing

1655
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 1: and miss. Three times in his career, Suerez has led

1656
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: the major leagues in strikeouts. Last last year he struck

1657
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,719
Speaker 1: out one hundred and ninety six times. That's obviously not great.

1658
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: He played in one hundred and fifty nine games last year,

1659
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty eight the year before, all one

1660
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 1: sixty two back in twenty twenty three, so there's some

1661
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 1: durability there. You're right, He's been productive everywhere. He's been streaky.

1662
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: Home runs the last few years forty nine, thirty twenty two,

1663
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: thirty one, thirty one, fifteen in the COVID shortened the

1664
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 1: year with the Reds, and before that forty nine, which

1665
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: we all remember that historic season he had here. So

1666
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: Aohano Suarez is the latest Red to sign with the

1667
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: ball club. The other thing I teased and didn't get

1668
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 1: to is that Joe Burrow has been named to the

1669
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl Games. He's joining Joe Flacco, Jamar Chase, and

1670
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: T Higgins on the AFC Pro Bowl roster. I could

1671
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: probably do an entire show on the Pro Bowl. But

1672
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 1: I'm going to save you all from that. We're going

1673
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 1: to talk college basketball when we get back. Paul Fritzner

1674
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: joins us. This is seven hundred WLW guest on the radio.

1675
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: Something big happens. The last time was a major Verizon

1676
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: outage that half the country couldn't communicate with one another.

1677
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: This time it's a power outage. Not really, it's a

1678
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: influx of power to the Reds lineup. Au Haaneo Suarez

1679
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: signed by Cincinnati one year, fifteen million dollars, according to

1680
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 1: Jeff Passon of ESPN and Charlie Goldsmith reporting it as well. Paul,

1681
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,600
Speaker 1: you're a Paul Fritchner joining me now, the host of

1682
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 1: the Rebound Rundown College basketball broadcaster. Paul, you're a Reds fan.

1683
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: What's your reaction to au Haaneo Suarez. I mean, how

1684
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: about that? Look at this right we come on, we

1685
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 1: want to talk hoops. I do. I'm doing one.

1686
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 8: Little check at Twitter here before I get on, just

1687
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,800
Speaker 8: to see if there's anything, any notes, anything I want

1688
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,600
Speaker 8: to bring up. And my timeline is flooded and I

1689
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 8: text you and I say, I'm sure this is the

1690
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 8: top of your packing order that you want to talk

1691
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 8: to Paul Fritschner when we got breaking Aohanneo Suarez news.

1692
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 1: But how about it, let's go fire me up Boston. Yeah,

1693
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: good vibes only, as au Haneo would say, And I'll

1694
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: tell you there's a lot of good vibes in Oxford

1695
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 1: right now, Paul. The Miami RedHawks are twenty two and zero.

1696
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: For those out there who maybe haven't watched Miami play

1697
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 1: this year, how do you explain who they are, what

1698
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 1: they do, and why they are successful.

1699
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 8: Well, they score the basketball at an exceptionally high rate.

1700
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 8: They're one of the best offensive efficiency teams in the country, right,

1701
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,679
Speaker 8: so they can score at a rate with pretty much anybody.

1702
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 8: In fact, they score more points per game than anybody

1703
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 8: in the country. They are literally the highest scoring offense

1704
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 8: in the nation. So their struggles this year have come

1705
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 8: on the defensive end. And I talked to Travis feel

1706
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 8: about that yesterday after the game. I could tell in

1707
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 8: his press conference he was frustrated with the defensive effort

1708
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 8: of his group because look, Northern Illinois sub three hundred team,

1709
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 8: they were only up by two and a half and

1710
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 8: you're thinking to yourself, all right, is it going to

1711
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 8: come down to the wire again. They played two overtime games,

1712
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 8: plus you know one game before that had just come

1713
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 8: down to the wire, and you're thinking to yourself, all right,

1714
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 8: all right, are they gonna put Northern Illinois away? And

1715
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 8: they did that yesterday. They closed the game on a

1716
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 8: thirty eight to nine run. They changed up some of

1717
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 8: their coverages in the second half and they really adjusted well.

1718
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 8: Their defense played a whole lot better. But their offense

1719
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 8: is there, and they're building this team around retention, right,

1720
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 8: freshmen and retention they have. They have players that have

1721
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 8: been there, their experience. They only went to the portal

1722
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 8: for one player often, and they're a lot of fun

1723
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 8: to watch.

1724
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 1: And the other thing too that I hear with them

1725
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: is well, they haven't played anybody. Well, what's your response

1726
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,759
Speaker 1: to that. How do you explain, well, they haven't played anybody,

1727
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:41,839
Speaker 1: but they are twenty two and oh what's your response

1728
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 1: to that.

1729
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you don't follow college basketball very closely in

1730
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 8: the scheduling, like right, it's a very niche topic and

1731
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 8: there's a lot of nuance to it. And basically, right now,

1732
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:57,560
Speaker 8: the way that the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee is incentivizing

1733
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 8: teams to schedule it's really hard for the teams that

1734
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 8: are projected to be in that like one hundred to

1735
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 8: one to seventy five range to get games because there's

1736
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 8: no upside to the high major teams, to the Power

1737
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 8: five conferences to say that, hey, if you play these

1738
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 8: teams and beat them, it's not really going to do

1739
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 8: a whole.

1740
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: Lot for you.

1741
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 8: And if you play these teams and lose to them,

1742
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 8: it's going to kill you on Selection Sunday. So for

1743
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 8: teams like Miami that are in that range, it's hard

1744
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 8: for them to reach out to some of these top

1745
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 8: tier teams and say, hey, I want to play you.

1746
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 8: You need to agree to play to us. And plus

1747
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 8: with Miami Austen, there was a lot of unknown with

1748
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 8: them because they were a layup short of winning the

1749
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 8: MAC Tournament title last year and actually playing in the

1750
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 8: NCAA tournament. They bring a lot back and they're supposed

1751
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 8: to be a lot better the projections had them, you know,

1752
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 8: right around that top one hundred, you know, maybe in

1753
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 8: the low nineties or you know, high one hundred's there,

1754
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 8: and you're thinking to yourself, all right, do I want

1755
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 8: to play a team like this? And if you're a

1756
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 8: top tier team. Maybe you don't, right. I mean, I

1757
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 8: know Akron played Perdue. Oakland always schedules tough, but it's

1758
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 8: hard for a team like Miami to consistently get games

1759
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:09,799
Speaker 8: at the top level.

1760
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: Let's say that they do run the table but lose

1761
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:17,679
Speaker 1: in the MAC Championship game, get your crystal ball out.

1762
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: Would they make the NCAA Tournament in that scenario. Yeah.

1763
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 8: I actually think they can afford one loss in the

1764
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 8: regular season and still get in. And it depends on

1765
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 8: where that loss is, right. I don't think it can

1766
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 8: be to a directional Michigan school. Like I think this

1767
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 8: week is a tough week. They're going on the road

1768
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 8: to Buffalo, They're going on the road to Marshall. It's

1769
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 8: probably their toughest week of the regular season remaining. But

1770
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 8: I think they can afford one loss in that like

1771
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty range if they took it, and

1772
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 8: then you know, if they lose in the MAC tournament,

1773
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 8: obviously they'd have two losses. I don't think they can

1774
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 8: go into selection Sunday with more than two losses.

1775
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 1: Though. Let's switch the conversation to Xavier. They were down

1776
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 1: eighteen points in the second half yesterday they had to

1777
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: come from behind when a buzzer beater shot that goes in.

1778
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 1: How do you explain the progress, the trajectory of this

1779
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 1: team from the start of the season to where they're

1780
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 1: at right now.

1781
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, they have a group of guys that are very experienced,

1782
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 8: they're very mature. They've played together now for two thirds

1783
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 8: of the season, and they're starting to figure a little

1784
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 8: bit out what they need to do in the second

1785
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 8: half of the game. He saw that yesterday. I mean,

1786
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 8: they really struggled in the second half this year. That's

1787
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 8: been where they've gone into halftime and things have fallen

1788
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 8: apart in the second half. And you saw yesterday they're

1789
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 8: down by whatever it was eighteen with about thirteen and

1790
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 8: a half to go, and then the last thirteen and

1791
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 8: a half minutes they're defending better and De Paul only

1792
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 8: had one main shot in the final five and a

1793
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 8: half minutes of the game. Dab was just jumping out

1794
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 8: making everything difficult and the offense was clicking. It was

1795
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 8: funny because I was talking to somebody for the game

1796
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 8: and I'm saying that was one of the best comebacks

1797
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 8: in Cintas Center history, and it didn't really feel like

1798
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:11,640
Speaker 8: they were. It wasn't like there was some huge, you know,

1799
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 8: avalanche of threes and you know it was it was

1800
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 8: one basket after another for like three minutes and boom,

1801
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 8: it was just in a blink of an eye. Back

1802
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 8: It was just like they kept getting stops. Slowly, they

1803
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 8: get a couple of laughs, maybe maybe there was a

1804
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 8: three here and there, and they crawl back into the game.

1805
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 8: And then they put themselves in a position at the

1806
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 8: end where you know, Philip Orto Vichenen, who's played for

1807
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 8: Richard Patino at New Mexico, you know he knows the

1808
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 8: system as well as anybody. He puts himself in a

1809
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 8: spot where he loved that little fadeaway mid range jumper

1810
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,759
Speaker 8: and that's what he hit for the win. So just

1811
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 8: just glad for those guys that a tight game finally

1812
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 8: went their way.

1813
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,639
Speaker 1: You know, I think with Xavier, the expectations going into

1814
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 1: this year with all the turnover, we're very low. And

1815
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the expectations necessarily have changed, but

1816
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody expected them to progress the

1817
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 1: way that you just outlined. How impressed are you being

1818
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 1: around them as frequently as you are with Richard Patino,

1819
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 1: his style of coaching and the way that he has

1820
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: gotten these guys to progress over the course of the season.

1821
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,679
Speaker 1: Patino specifically, what impresses you the most.

1822
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's his ability to adapt and change.

1823
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 8: And I know I've said that with you before, and

1824
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,640
Speaker 8: I'll just continue to say it because I think you

1825
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 8: know it goes without saying that a coach's job should

1826
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 8: be to adapt to what they have on the floor.

1827
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 8: But I think it's underrated how much coaches don't do

1828
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:39,639
Speaker 8: that sometimes, where they have a way that they want

1829
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 8: to do something and in the preseason they think this

1830
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 8: or this is going to work, and then they're just

1831
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 8: bound and determined to try and make whatever that is work.

1832
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 1: And earlier in the season.

1833
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,879
Speaker 8: Richard Patino had no problem changing up the starting lineups,

1834
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 8: changing up some of how they played defensively, offensively, whatever

1835
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 8: it is. He's going to go out there and make

1836
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 8: the changes that they need to make to try and

1837
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 8: win games. They change the starting lineup, then they change

1838
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 8: the starting lineup back. They try to run some sets

1839
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 8: to get Malik Messina more open for threes, and a

1840
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 8: career three point shooter who was shooting abysmally in the

1841
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,640
Speaker 8: non conference is now right back to his you know,

1842
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 8: career averages and Big East play. So from that perspective

1843
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 8: for Richard Patino, that's what you know. If you're a

1844
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 8: Xavier fan, listening to this should really excite you going forward.

1845
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 1: That yeah, there's Zavier team. There's no doubt about it.

1846
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 8: They don't have the top end talent that they need

1847
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 8: to compete in the Big East this season. But when

1848
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 8: they get that top end talent, when they develop that

1849
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,640
Speaker 8: or get it out of the portal going forward, you know,

1850
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 8: it's got to give you a lot of hope as

1851
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 8: as a Xavier fan to see what this coaching staff

1852
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 8: has done this year.

1853
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 1: Let's go over to Clifton and talk about the Bearcats,

1854
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 1: who it feels like they've played the same game for

1855
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 1: the last five years. They got their face bashed in

1856
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: over the weekend by Houston and a lot of teams

1857
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 1: do Houston's really really good? The Bearcats are eleven and

1858
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,720
Speaker 1: a lot three and six in the Big Twelve. How

1859
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 1: do you explain or how do you wait? Where do

1860
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 1: they go from here? Basically is what I'm trying to say, Like,

1861
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: what can they get out of the rest of this

1862
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 1: season if anything.

1863
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 8: Well, the nice thing is for Cincinnati is that they

1864
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 8: don't have an incredibly difficult end of the season. I mean,

1865
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 8: they still have to play Kansas, they thought to play

1866
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 8: Texas Tech and BYU, But you know, they've already played Houston,

1867
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 8: They've already played Arizona, They've already played Iowa State. They

1868
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 8: have some of the top end games out of the way.

1869
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 8: They played Houston twice, and you know, so it's not

1870
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 8: like it's not like they have an impossible end of

1871
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 8: the season. So for some of these guys, they've played

1872
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 8: in so many close games this year, and some of

1873
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 8: these games lately they haven't been close.

1874
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:49,600
Speaker 1: Right, And you lose to.

1875
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:52,759
Speaker 8: Arizona by twenty six, you lose to Arizona State by fourteen,

1876
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 8: and that kind of felt like a bottoming out to me,

1877
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 8: Austin that game against Arizona State.

1878
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 1: But then they respond and they.

1879
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 8: Beat Baylor, and so to me, you know, I don't know.

1880
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:05,719
Speaker 8: I think there are gonna be a lot of questions

1881
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 8: in the offseason for Cincinnati, right it is what what

1882
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 8: does this team look like next year?

1883
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 1: Is west Miller still a coach next year?

1884
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 8: How many players, if any, do you bring back from

1885
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 8: from this year's team, there are so much unknown, but

1886
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 8: I think down the stretch, I mean, you might see

1887
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 8: them win a handful of games here against teams that

1888
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 8: you know they should beat in the Big twelve, because

1889
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 8: it's not overly difficult down the stretch from your perspective.

1890
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 1: Over the last couple of years, I know there's been

1891
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,520
Speaker 1: a lot of turnover. When you think of the Bearcats

1892
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 1: and when you watch them, what stands out to you

1893
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:41,919
Speaker 1: as the single biggest issue at the offense?

1894
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 8: I mean it has to be because defensively they're able

1895
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 8: to do what they need to do to win a

1896
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 8: lot of games. But then whether it's isoball in situations

1897
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 8: when it can't be ISO ball, or just overall stagnation

1898
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 8: of the offense. It's so frustrating to watch when you

1899
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 8: get in to some of these games that you feel like,

1900
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:03,840
Speaker 8: all right, they've gotten the stops they need to make

1901
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 8: a run, but then they can't actually score to finish

1902
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 8: off the run on the other end, and that's frustrating.

1903
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 8: I know, just overall, it's a tough go of it

1904
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 8: on the offensive end.

1905
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 1: And I'm not breaking any ground here.

1906
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 8: Anybody that's watching Cincinnati for the last three and a

1907
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 8: half years knows this, but you know that's the thing

1908
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 8: that going forward, you hope that next year you can

1909
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:31,880
Speaker 8: turn a corner and make this offensive style more palatable.

1910
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 1: To watch one more before I let you go. Talking

1911
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,520
Speaker 1: to Paul Fritchener. He's the host of the Rebound Rundown podcast.

1912
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: All over the college basketball scene. The Kentucky Wildcats, it

1913
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 1: seems like they can't make up their mind whether or

1914
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 1: not they want to be a good team. They had

1915
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Speaker 1: a big win yesterday knocking off John Caliperi in Arkansas

1916
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Speaker 1: on the road. What do you make of the Wildcats?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's funny because they go on that what four

1918
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Speaker 8: or five game winning streak, then they drop a game

1919
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Speaker 8: that they probably should have won, and then they go

1920
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Speaker 8: to col They go to Arkansas, right and they win

1921
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,560
Speaker 8: that game. So Cal comes to Rough last year and wins,

1922
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Speaker 8: and then Mark Pope and Kentucky go over to Arkansas

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Speaker 8: and they win that game.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right.

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Speaker 8: Like this team, they've been so injured with Cam Williams

1926
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Speaker 8: and Jadan Quainton's and Jalen Lowe, they've been so injured

1927
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 8: this year. They've never really had their full complement of

1928
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 8: what we thought they would be, but we also had

1929
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 8: concerns about Kentucky in the offseason not recruiting enough shooting.

1930
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Speaker 1: That was the theme.

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Speaker 8: That was what we heard for six months leading into

1932
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Speaker 8: Opening Night, was that they didn't recruit enough shooting. But yeah,

1933
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 8: you're right, I think like what you saw yesterday, I mean,

1934
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Speaker 8: Arkansas is a really good team.

1935
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Speaker 1: They have a ton of talent.

1936
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Speaker 8: Darius Acup, great player, probably a lottery pick in the draft.

1937
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Speaker 8: I mean that that was a great win for Kentucky

1938
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 8: to go on the road and it's like you're they're

1939
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 8: teasing you. It's like that team is in there. You

1940
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 8: know that team is there, and why.

1941
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Speaker 1: Isn't it there consistently? Yeah, let me ask you that

1942
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Speaker 1: you mentioned a lottery pick. This has been going around

1943
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:07,760
Speaker 1: college basketball for the last couple of weeks. Guys that

1944
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Speaker 1: have played in the NBA are been drafted the NBA

1945
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Speaker 1: coming back. What do you think like the endgame is

1946
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: with this? I mean, I know everybody says it's the

1947
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 1: wild Wild West with college athletics. Do you think the

1948
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 1: NBA would at any point get involved? Can the NCUBA

1949
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 1: do anything when it comes to these guys who get

1950
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 1: drafted or play professionally now returning to college.

1951
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Speaker 8: Well, the one thing that the NCUBA does have in

1952
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 8: their back pocket for this is that they could say

1953
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 8: that some of these teams that take guys who have

1954
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 8: played in NBA games, you would just say that they're

1955
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 8: ineligible for the NCAA tournament, right, like, hey, you can

1956
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 8: come back and you can play, and you can cash

1957
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 8: a check if you want to, But as soon as

1958
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 8: he steps on the floor, your team is going to

1959
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 8: be ineligible for the NCAA tournament.

1960
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Speaker 1: Now, it's good play Charles Peediaco.

1961
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 8: Charles Pediaco, who's playing at Alabama, and he's the one

1962
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:57,720
Speaker 8: that really got all these headlines going in the last

1963
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 8: couple of weeks, which by the way, they lost to

1964
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 8: Florida today, smoked by Florida today. But he had a

1965
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 8: restraining order allowing him to play, and in that restraining

1966
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 8: order it said that Alabama and Charles Bettioco can't be

1967
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 8: penalized in any way for him going on the court

1968
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 8: and playing and essentially saying you can't leave them out

1969
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 8: of the tournament because he's on the floor. So you know, legally,

1970
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:24,599
Speaker 8: is the NCAA allowed to do that? Those are all again,

1971
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 8: it's just a gray area of all this. But yeah,

1972
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 8: everybody wants to keep saying that the NCAA's hands are tied.

1973
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Speaker 1: You're right, they are.

1974
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Speaker 8: But to an extent, they could just say, hey, he

1975
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 8: wants to come back and play, fine, but he's not

1976
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 8: going to play in the tournament.

1977
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Speaker 1: And that's the one thing I'll be interested to see

1978
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 1: if they if they try to push for We're just

1979
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Speaker 1: over a month until selection Sunday. I'm going to ask

1980
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 1: you to be a bracketologist right now. Early prediction. Who's

1981
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:52,640
Speaker 1: going to be in the final four. Who's going to

1982
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 1: win the national championship?

1983
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Speaker 8: Ooh, the final four in the National Championship? All right,

1984
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:02,200
Speaker 8: I'll say I'll say the top three have really separated themselves.

1985
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Speaker 8: I think Michigan and Arizona are going to get there.

1986
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Speaker 8: I really really like the way that Houston plays, just

1987
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 8: because I think, you know, Kelvin Samson, I feel for

1988
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Speaker 8: him after last.

1989
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Speaker 1: Year was so close to that title.

1990
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Speaker 8: So I'll throw Houston in there, and then one dark horse.

1991
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Speaker 1: Let's just have a little fun. They Lewis, oh theylew Okay,

1992
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Speaker 1: they blew it the Blis on a Cinderella run. You're

1993
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 1: saying they're They're.

1994
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Speaker 8: A ton of fun, and honestly, I don't even know

1995
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Speaker 8: how much of a Cinderella run it would be. I

1996
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 8: think in brand name it might be. But the talent

1997
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:39,599
Speaker 8: on the floor, I mean, they are wiping the floor

1998
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 8: with the A ten this year. Maybe the bracket breaks

1999
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,599
Speaker 8: the right way and we can get some March magic

2000
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Speaker 8: with the Billikins. But I say Michigan wins the title.

2001
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, well you ruined it. You can't be saying

2002
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Speaker 1: yeah there, yeah bad.

2003
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Speaker 8: Do you want me to just say Arizona winsor title

2004
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 8: Arizona windsor tidle.

2005
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Speaker 1: Stick stick with your guns, don't retreat. Paul, thanks so

2006
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Speaker 1: much for joining us, joining us. Where can people find

2007
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Speaker 1: The Rebound Rundown and what are you working on?

2008
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, the Rebound Rundown. It's on all podcasts, platforms and YouTube.

2009
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,839
Speaker 8: It's a daily audio only show for your morning commute

2010
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Speaker 8: and our interviews go up on YouTube as well, covering

2011
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Speaker 8: all the college basketball around here in the Cincinnati area.

2012
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Speaker 8: Coming down to stretch of the season. It's the best

2013
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Speaker 8: part of the season right now. So yeah, good vibes only.

2014
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Speaker 1: There no doubt about it. Way to tie it in, Paul,

2015
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Yeah, that's right. See often that is

2016
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Speaker 1: Paul Frichner from The Rebound Rundown. You can find him

2017
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Speaker 1: on Twitter as well at Paul Frichner. All right, Well,

2018
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Speaker 1: this went fast and there was a lot going on.

2019
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Speaker 1: I didn't even get to some of the stuff I

2020
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Speaker 1: wanted to get to due to the late breaking news.

2021
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:48,760
Speaker 1: In case you missed it, two pieces of Cincinnati sports

2022
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 1: information today, Joe Burrow has been named to the Pro

2023
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:56,520
Speaker 1: Bowl roster with the AFC, joining Jamar Chase T. Higgins

2024
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Speaker 1: and Joe Flacco. There's a whole story to be there,

2025
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: but the big news of the day the Reds have

2026
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: signed former Red au Haineo Suarez to a one year,

2027
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Speaker 1: fifteen million dollar deal. He's expected to play first, third

2028
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:17,679
Speaker 1: and DH for the Reds this year. They finally get

2029
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 1: the bat that everybody has been looking for. If you

2030
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Speaker 1: liked what you heard, you can hear me each and

2031
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Speaker 1: co host Tony Pikes since e three to sixty. Down

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Speaker 1: the Dial on ESPN fifteen thirty invites you to listen

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Speaker 1: tomorrow starting at noon. I also host the Ball Don't

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