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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand.

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Speaker 2: Gary, Welcome to Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Hi Gary, how

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Speaker 2: can I help you? Well, make sure you've got your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am trying right now. Hang out to lease.

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Speaker 3: Thanks right off, right now, Grief, I lost my fiance.

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Speaker 3: Let me get the speakerphone off here to please sure. Alright,

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Speaker 3: I'm back, Okay. I lost my fiance Friday afternoon. When

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Speaker 3: I heard about it, I crust got out quite heavily.

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Speaker 3: I just a reaction and not even sure why I

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Speaker 3: did that off that like that, and she was a

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Speaker 3: real good woman and the best things that ever came

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Speaker 3: to be. I just wanted to know why she got

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Speaker 3: Take it so soon.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to get an answer. It's going to

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Speaker 2: satisfy the loss that you have right now. Gary, It's

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Speaker 2: to try and ask the questions of God as to

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Speaker 2: the timing of things is really beyond comprehension. Right now

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Speaker 2: is a is the time to experience the pain. And

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Speaker 2: if you if you curse out God and you get angry,

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Speaker 2: the Father knows that that comes from pain. And it's

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Speaker 2: not a not a firm place in your heart.

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Speaker 3: No it's not. And I mean will I be forgiven

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Speaker 3: for that?

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Speaker 2: Of course if you ask for it, and you if

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Speaker 2: you and you turn away from it. But God, God

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Speaker 2: wants you to talk to him, and that that means good,

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Speaker 2: bad and different. There's going to be different places.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: You must give God reverence. But but as a child

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Speaker 2: of God, you that's being honest. If you said, oh

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Speaker 2: I love you God, but in your heart you felt

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Speaker 2: those things God, it was, it's the same to God.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, No, I mean I I realize I didn't blast.

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Speaker 3: I've He's provided a lot for me and I've given

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Speaker 3: a lot back and I believe in this. But how

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Speaker 3: do I how do I handle my grief? Then? Just

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Speaker 3: one day at a time? I mean, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, of course you don't. The thing with grief is

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Speaker 2: you don't want to rush through it, but you don't

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Speaker 2: want to prolong it either. And if there is ways

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Speaker 2: to start shifting your grief eventually, and there's places where

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Speaker 2: you can get counseling and be with others who have

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Speaker 2: lost and to understand it. I know that it feels

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Speaker 2: that something was taken away from you and you alone,

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Speaker 2: and that's a hard position to be in. And how

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Speaker 2: did this go down? You were engaged.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been engaged about fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: And you've been engaged for fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've known each other and probably been engaged with

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Speaker 3: like that past six and.

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Speaker 2: You've been engaged for six years. Yeah, that's not an engagement.

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Speaker 3: Well okay, Well, there were some tax issues that.

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Speaker 2: I had then in I see, and.

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Speaker 3: I was about three months from finishing clearing that up.

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Speaker 3: It was something I could not clear up that quick.

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Speaker 3: But she was the best thing ever came to me.

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Speaker 3: And I mean we knew it. And I showed her

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Speaker 3: a lot of the world and she helped maybe go

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Speaker 3: a better man, a lot better person. And now if

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Speaker 3: she didn't believe that heavily in God and I just

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Speaker 3: the way that they were brought up, I tried bringing

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Speaker 3: her around and everything this, how do we know? I know,

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Speaker 3: we don't know if wherever were going to meet each

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Speaker 3: other again someday, But I can just I guess, just

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Speaker 3: in my heart. Just keep on helping that.

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Speaker 2: You have to trust God and the things that you

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Speaker 2: don't know. Deuteronomy twenty nine, twenty nine says the secret

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Speaker 2: things belong to the Lord. There's just going to be

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Speaker 2: parts that you won't get and you have to trust

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Speaker 2: for them. You don't know what conversations she had with

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Speaker 2: God in private. You don't know what she was going

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Speaker 2: But the best way is to be the best example

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Speaker 2: you can in your life to motivate and inspire people

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Speaker 2: to want to learn more about God. But you can't

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Speaker 2: really know, and it's kind of a way of your

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Speaker 2: life to focus on. Well, I wonder if when it

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Speaker 2: it at this point. So it's a matter of honoring

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Speaker 2: her life through the things that you guys experienced, through

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Speaker 2: passing those along to friends and family, to keeping her

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, is it okay to I mean to

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Speaker 3: the other side now on that? Well?

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Speaker 2: Is it very human to desire to have contact with somebody? Yes,

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Speaker 2: but it's it's biblically from a Christian standpoint, there's no

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Speaker 2: purpose to it and doesn't happen. So it's more of

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Speaker 2: a an emotional comfort maybe to some to feel that

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Speaker 2: someone's looking down on them, But really that's a way

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Speaker 2: of keeping them here. I'll put it to you this way, Gary.

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Speaker 2: In life, there are a series of graduations that you're

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Speaker 2: the ways you were before as you grow out of them.

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Speaker 2: And when people try and reach into the afterlife to

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Speaker 2: trying to dress their adult child, the adult son or

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Speaker 2: to reverse the natural process of things, and it becomes

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Speaker 2: it becomes a perversion of the truth. The truth is

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Speaker 2: this person has passed on, and what you have now

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Speaker 2: the process, the natural process, and that becomes that becomes

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Speaker 2: a kind of a misuse of the gift of life.

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Speaker 2: That's the purpose. It goes quickly, and it's it's temporal,

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Speaker 2: and so you're supposed to enjoy it. You don't try

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Speaker 2: then you say, Okay, regardless of age, I have fulfilled X,

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Speaker 2: or I've touched these many people, or I've done these things,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is, but don't try and don't try and

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Speaker 2: bring her here. For if she is with God, why

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Speaker 2: would you try and pull her from.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't want that union just now. And I'm of

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Speaker 3: course beating myself up saying, whatever, what would happen if

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Speaker 3: I would have kissed her a little more, held her

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Speaker 2: And how would that have changed things?

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Speaker 3: Gary?

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Speaker 2: I know that you miss her, and I know that

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Speaker 2: to have that experience now would be wonderful to be

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Speaker 2: able to connect with her. But it's not about the

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Speaker 2: It was all those that you did right. That is

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Speaker 2: if I only had one more, that's emotional greed, because

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Speaker 2: when you look at everything that you had that was

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Speaker 2: more than many. There are those that are listening right now,

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Speaker 2: they're in a state of loneliness that have never, you know,

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Speaker 2: But it's not about reversing things. It's about really appreciating

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Speaker 2: experienced with her Gary, and now you let her go

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Speaker 2: to live your life in a way that glorifies God.

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Speaker 2: That is your purpose, and that's what you're here for.

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Speaker 2: But this kind, this notion, although it's understood to that

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Speaker 2: or I could have done that more, But really don't

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Speaker 2: live there. That's of the devil. The enemy would love

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Speaker 2: to taint any beauty of a relationship, of a past relationship,

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Speaker 2: taint that with the what ifs, what if I did

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Speaker 2: devil do that. Take joy in your mourning as range

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Speaker 2: as that sounds, and expressed those feelings, whatever they may be,

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Speaker 2: about the loss of someone who meant something in your life. Pama,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Pamela, Hi, turned

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Speaker 2: down your radio.

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 2: How can I help you today? Ah?

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Speaker 4: Yes, good morning. I hope that you can help me

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Speaker 4: to make a spiritual decision. When I was approaching my forties,

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Speaker 4: I kind of put it in the hands of God

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Speaker 4: sign from God that we should be together. We dated

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Speaker 4: for about a year and a half over the phone.

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Speaker 4: We couldn't take the phone down. We talked about everything.

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Speaker 4: And as soon as this man came into the United States,

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Speaker 4: an explosive temper. If I confide in him and things now,

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Speaker 4: he throws it back at me during fights, things that

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Speaker 4: are very hurtful about my family past. If I talk

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Speaker 4: So I'm afraid to talk to this man about anything

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Speaker 4: come with an illness that he's acquired from get pursuing

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Speaker 4: I feel I can't leave him because he needs the

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Speaker 4: where the country comes from, and when he comes to

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Speaker 4: the United States, he pummeled me with explosive temper words

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Speaker 4: If I walk away, he'll follow me from room to

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Speaker 4: don't know what to do.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you do know what to do. Does

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Speaker 2: this sound like somebody if you asked a friend, you

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Speaker 4: Everyone that I've talked to, who's a friend I'm embarrassed

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Speaker 4: to get a divorce from this man, but I feel

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Speaker 4: personal obligation to see him through his residency because I

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Speaker 4: responsible for him for five years and plus. Without me,

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Speaker 4: I don't know how he would actually get well and

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Speaker 2: The decisions you make it goes to show you how

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Speaker 4: Well, I've dated people, As I said, I was approaching

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Speaker 4: He had plastic surgery to his face for wrinkled and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's now, this is all very, very very bad

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Speaker 2: You know, you're you're bound, and you're saying, well, gosh,

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Speaker 4: Oh, he goes on and on that he hates the

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Speaker 2: Well, then, is he upset that you're not moving in

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Speaker 4: He's brought that up a couple of times, that I

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Speaker 4: So that's the point. So it was decided that he

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Speaker 2: Well, the vanity of the of the wrinkles and how

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Speaker 4: Is that seven years younger than I am?

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Speaker 4: Like that, But it's a polymer that's approved in Europe

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Speaker 2: Here I see, And so he's having reactions to that.

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Speaker 4: Quite frankly, here they really don't know because they don't

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Speaker 2: And what what faith is he a part of? He's Muslim, okay,

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Speaker 4: So that's the only reason why I've stuck it out

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Speaker 4: If it's no, he's not doing the procedure for vanity.

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Speaker 2: So this is going to stop eventually.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So when all this stops the procedure, whichever if

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Speaker 2: Okay, he's telling you, then, he's telling you that this

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Speaker 2: and I will not deal with it, period. It is

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Speaker 2: hurt you. Jim, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Speaker 1: I am. I would like to know if you can

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Speaker 2: There's over there's many more than ten commandments. Although it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the thing is is it's specifically talking about

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Speaker 1: ceremonial laws, all those numerous laws. It is the ten Commandments.

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Speaker 2: Yes, But as it goes on in verse twelve, it

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Speaker 2: also mentions the law of liberty, which is a different

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Speaker 1: Okay, I guess my question is many many pastors, as

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Speaker 1: you know, and James has written thirty years after the Cross,

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Speaker 1: more than thirty years, many pastors are teaching that the

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Speaker 1: law was done away with at the Cross, and certainly

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Speaker 1: the ceremonial laws were That's why the lamb ran away

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Speaker 1: and the veil was torn from top to bottom. Yes, correct,

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Speaker 1: the ten Commandment law was written with the finger of God,

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Speaker 1: and it was written in stone, never to be changed.

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Speaker 1: And in Genesis two two and three, And this is

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Speaker 1: my point, I admit right here, in Genesis two to

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Speaker 1: Christian world I do want to stay with James two

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Speaker 1: eight to eleven. Why are these New Testament scholars still

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Speaker 1: teaching the ten Commandment law? We see it in Revelation

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Speaker 1: fourteen twelve, Revelation twelve seventeen, and today the Christian world

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Speaker 1: was keeping nine out of ten of those commandments?

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Speaker 2: Are you Are you a Seventh day Adventist, Jim.

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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't think we wanted to get into nominations here.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm a I'm asking if that's where this is

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Speaker 1: Well, it's coming from Scripture. Why are these New Testament

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, it's an excellent qu It's an excellent question. Now,

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Speaker 2: of course, if you remember in Matthew five seventeen and

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Speaker 2: to fulfill. The law is not destroyed, it is fulfilled,

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Speaker 2: it is made full. And that means that certain ceremonial

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Speaker 2: it comes to the Ten Commandments, keep in mind they

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Speaker 2: the concept of the Commandments, the way they're broken down

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Speaker 2: the way scripture has been parsed. It's not that that

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Speaker 2: superseded it. For instance, the Christians don't celebrate the Sabbath anymore.

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Speaker 2: They don't worship on the Sabbath. They worship on the

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Speaker 2: Lord's Day, which is completely different and seen in scripture,

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Speaker 2: in the Book of Acts and so on, that there

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Speaker 2: was other days that they were that they worshiped on.

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Speaker 2: It's not about abolishing anything in the Ten Commandments. The

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Speaker 2: fullness of the Ten Commandments is being explained to a

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