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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati. From Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: this is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go start of our number two

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Speaker 2: since he three sixty on the home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, our guy on Tuesdays.

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Speaker 2: Right here to kick off our number two from Fox

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Speaker 2: nineteen is one Joe Daniman joining us right now. Joey

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Speaker 2: d what's going on?

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Speaker 3: What's up? Tony? Hi, Austin, How are you guys?

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Speaker 4: Wonderful Joe better now that you're here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a what a fantastic way to kick off

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Speaker 2: our number two. I do have to ask, Joe, are

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Speaker 2: you a big Olympic guy? If so, do you have

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Speaker 2: a favorite Winter Olympic sport.

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Speaker 3: I'm a huge summer Olympics guy. I'm a casual Winter

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Speaker 3: I'll usually get home from work little after midnight after

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Speaker 3: doing the late news, the last thing I usually want

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Speaker 3: to do when I get home is like watch Sports

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Speaker 3: Center or watch anything else sports after the day. You know,

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Speaker 3: it just depends if the NBA is on late. I

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Speaker 3: watched the NBA. But I'm typically a movie guy, and

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Speaker 3: last night when I got home, I felt this burn

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Speaker 3: to watch a miracle. I watched Miracle last night to

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Speaker 3: get myself fired up for Team USA hockey. That's my

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Speaker 3: one big event for the Winter Olympics. I like watching

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Speaker 3: speed skating. I really appreciate what a lot of these

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Speaker 3: grab my attention, it's absolutely Team USA hockey. I challenge

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Speaker 3: people to go at some point today to look at

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Speaker 3: what the Russians did in every other game they played

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Speaker 3: eight games. I mean, their gold differential was near sixty

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Speaker 3: hockey is my jam.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: On this date in the year two thousand, Ken Griffy

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Speaker 2: Junior was announced to the Cincinnati Reds Austin. I think

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Speaker 2: put it yeah, put it great. In the previous segment,

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Speaker 2: that would be like today, sho Heo Tani signing with

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Reds. Do you remember anything specifically about that

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Speaker 3: Of course, so I was in college. This is a

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Speaker 3: great memory of mine. I was in college up at

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Speaker 3: was announced, I remember seeing it come across the ESPN

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Speaker 3: bottom line. That was like where you got your news then,

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Speaker 3: because the Internet was just starting to happen on college campuses.

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Speaker 3: So I saw it come across the bottom line, and

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Speaker 3: ESPN actually dipped into the press conference. So there I

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Speaker 3: Kendricky Junior's press conference. And what always stood out to

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Speaker 3: go back and you can watch it, I believe it's

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Speaker 3: on YouTube, there are like politicians standing behind Ken Griffy Junior.

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Speaker 3: You know, you've got the Red Brass, You've got ownership,

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Speaker 3: You've got Jim Bowden, You've got Junior family, You've got

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Speaker 3: some of the Reds legends. And then you have Charlie Lukens,

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Speaker 3: the mayor of Cincinnati's there. I think Cincinnati City Council

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Speaker 3: people are there. So you go back and you think

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Speaker 3: about that twenty five, twenty six years ago. How big

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Speaker 3: of a deal it was for Cincinnati to get Keen

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Speaker 3: The other thing I miss that's now gone from how

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Speaker 3: I love that aura. That that is aura of a

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Speaker 3: big moment. Now if we all plug into one microphone

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Speaker 3: it leads to our cameras and all the mic flags

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Speaker 3: are now gone. But that moment right there, the fact

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Speaker 3: you're around back then, and listen, guys, I was alive

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Speaker 3: during the nineteen ninety World Series. I was ten years old,

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Speaker 3: and that was a great team. I loved that team

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Speaker 3: and watched every minute of the playoffs. But the nineteen

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Speaker 3: It was almost like, just go ahead and print the

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Speaker 2: It just there's the image of kind of his dad

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Speaker 2: because at that time you obviously don't know the future.

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Speaker 2: It was just the It was the excitement, and then

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Speaker 2: it was the thought of, man, they could go win

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Speaker 2: the whole thing, the optimism around what had happened in

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Speaker 2: that's kind of what now this time of the year is.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a time for optimism. It's a time to think, Okay,

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Speaker 2: obviously bodes well for this team as well as spring training,

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Speaker 2: pitchers and catchers have reported, where where do you sense

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Speaker 2: the optimism? I know you're gonna have a chance to

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Speaker 2: be around this team, but just from an overall feel

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Speaker 2: around the Reds. Does it feel like there's an optimism

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Speaker 3: Yeah? How could it not be? And I think I

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Speaker 3: think the important thing is if you look at this

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Speaker 3: word I used on Twitter after I got out of

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Speaker 3: well immediately with the fan base, but I think the

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Speaker 3: go ahead and start taking those steps, that was step

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Speaker 3: one last year getting to the playoffs. Now I know

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Speaker 3: that that the eighty three win number it is not

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Speaker 3: So now you're thinking closer to ninety games. And if

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Speaker 3: Brewers take a step back to the Chicago Cubs not

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Speaker 3: win ninety five to one hundred games? Can the Reds

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Speaker 3: this has become now. It's not just getting into the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: It can this team win an NL Central title against

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Speaker 3: the Cubs, against the Brewers teams that have You know,

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Speaker 3: we look at the Milwaukee Brewers. They've dominated this division

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Speaker 3: I think should be around this team that they should

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Speaker 3: that way. But either way, I feel it's last year

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Speaker 3: with step one. This year should be step two of

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Speaker 2: Is this roster going to spring training as is? Or

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Speaker 2: would you like to get crazy with me, Joe and

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Speaker 2: bring Nick Castianos back to this team?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no no no. Cantiano does

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Speaker 3: not does not fit this team, not from production and

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Speaker 3: They needed somebody with an edge, and he backed it

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Speaker 3: it can rock the boat. And I don't think this

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Speaker 3: what it was when he was here. I don't think

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Speaker 3: to what Nick Cantiano's did in his year in Cincinnati. No,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that fits. I also think he's rapidly

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Speaker 3: going downhill as far as production goes. He might have

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Speaker 3: unlock a little bit more of his numbers closer than

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Speaker 3: I don't think fits from a culture standpoint with this

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Speaker 2: We heard our guy Charlie Goldsmith asked Hunter Green the

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five was one hundred and eighty or

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Speaker 2: more innings sub three ERA, two hundred plus strikeouts, an

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Speaker 2: one of those goals happen? How many of those goals

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Speaker 2: injuries he's gone through, you think of who's around in

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Speaker 2: the Sayh Youung race in the National League with Paul

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Speaker 2: Skeins and Yamamoto and Otani. Out of those goals, which

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Speaker 2: he does that, that means he's healthy, right, and it

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Speaker 2: gives him an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I think it takes the one eighty number.

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Speaker 3: I think four of those five are going to fall

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Speaker 3: around one hundred and fifty. And when he threw one

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Speaker 3: if he gets up to the one eighty mark, and

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Speaker 3: that would be about thirty starts, which you would expect

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Speaker 3: him to do if he's healthy. Yeah, certainly four of

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Speaker 3: those five fall into place. And if four of those

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Speaker 3: for the fifth one, which would be the cy Young Now,

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Speaker 3: you made a great point of the competition he's up

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Speaker 3: against in the National League, and if I'm the Dodgers,

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Speaker 3: I'm limiting Yamamoto somewhat this year. You know, I'm limiting

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Speaker 3: fresh for the playoffs. Certainly they'll do that with Sho

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Speaker 3: are observations. We might even sprinkle in some Charlie Goldsmith.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, streaming shows Monday Tuesday, eight o'clock Live from

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Speaker 3: Red Spring Training.

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Speaker 4: Just a sprinkle of gold. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Drive, that's it yet, Joe Daniman, You're the man. Talk

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Speaker 2: to you soon, Joe Danaman, Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 4: We didn't even plan that.

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