Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: Got a new angle on the violence downtown. So you
Speaker 2: go back to the brawl and late Jult we had
Speaker 2: one person out of hundreds calling nine one one Fountain
Speaker 2: Square shootings. We just had again a little number of
Speaker 2: people calling nine one one inside of the business that
Speaker 2: was shot up, and it begs the question why. From
Speaker 2: the Brain Performance Center in Dallas, Lee Richardson is here.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: How are you, good morning, Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 3: I'm doing well.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You've seen the video. It's been national international news and
Speaker 2: it's hard still kind of hard to watch too. And
Speaker 2: regardless of who said what and what transpired, the fact
Speaker 2: that only a couple people, maybe one or two people,
Speaker 2: said hey, I better call the police is something I
Speaker 2: don't think we've ever seen. I mean, it's a newer trend,
Speaker 2: I suppose, but in our lifetimes, if you would have
Speaker 2: said maybe ten or fifteen years ago, maybe five years ago,
Speaker 2: that yeah, you'd have something like this and one person
Speaker 2: will call nine one one, which means in the future,
Speaker 2: I suppose maybe no one calls nine one. Maybe these
Speaker 2: things happen and then we never hear about it because
Speaker 2: no one thinks to call the police. The question for
Speaker 2: someone like yourself is why how much of that as
Speaker 2: social media.
Speaker 3: And COVID Well, I think that you know, anytime you've
Speaker 3: seen a really intense event that triggers adrenaline in your body,
Speaker 3: the drones they start kicking out all that corsal, and
Speaker 3: that gives you a psych physiological rush, and you get
Speaker 3: excited and you want to capture the moment. And I
Speaker 3: think many people, honestly, social media plays into it because
Speaker 3: they think if they get the shocking footage, that's going
Speaker 3: to get them more likes, more shares, more comments on
Speaker 3: social media and the thought of being the one who
Speaker 3: got the video that activates the brain sop immine reward system.
Speaker 3: It's just like when you win at cambling. I think
Speaker 3: filming it can make you feel like you're doing something
Speaker 3: without risking any personal safety as well. I did watched
Speaker 3: the video Scott, and I couldn't believe it appeared that
Speaker 3: people were cheering, almost cheering it on. You know, there
Speaker 3: was no space. Everybody was crowding around and that certainly
Speaker 3: escalate the intensity of it. And people pull out a
Speaker 3: camera and cameras create an audience.
Speaker 2: Well, you maybe just think of this. Speaking of video.
Speaker 2: This summer on vacation, did a bucket list trip to Australia.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. My wife wanted to do like a whale
Speaker 2: watching crew. So you get on this boat and you
Speaker 2: look for whales because whales go up and down the
Speaker 2: Aussie coast. It's called the hump Back Highway, and so
Speaker 2: this time of year especially get to see whales, which
Speaker 2: you want to do, like, all right, I'll go check
Speaker 2: some whales out, which sounds pretty good. And so we're
Speaker 2: on this butat and it's interesting because every single person
Speaker 2: for the entirety of the trip, as I look around,
Speaker 2: is recording every little thing, holding the phone up to
Speaker 2: their face and not actually looking at the whale. They're
Speaker 2: looking at through a monitor. And there are a couple
Speaker 2: of younger people who wanted nothing to do with well watching,
Speaker 2: who were belong by their parents, as you typically have,
Speaker 2: and they were in the boat inside on their phones
Speaker 2: playing games in the middle of the ocean. So I
Speaker 2: look at that and go what and this is before
Speaker 2: all this happened too. I thought, it's very surreal that
Speaker 2: we experience life through a viewfinder, and I think, lee
Speaker 2: when you do that, it's not real if you're watching
Speaker 2: a device. So what you see on your your viewfinder,
Speaker 2: what you see on your camera or your phone is
Speaker 2: not real. It's a it's a show, it's streaming, it's
Speaker 2: a TV show. And so if you looked up in
Speaker 2: a Wow, this is really happening. It's a much different
Speaker 2: experience than looking through a little, you know, four inch
Speaker 2: by two inch you finder.
Speaker 3: I can make really good points. God, I mean when
Speaker 3: you're when you're in a spectator mindset and you're just
Speaker 3: watching something. If you were there and maybe you would
Speaker 3: have thought about being a help helper. No, you're just
Speaker 3: part of an audience, and that makes it much easier
Speaker 3: just to watch or film whatever it is rather than
Speaker 3: act on it.
Speaker 2: That might explain why people are doing I think the
Speaker 2: other element too, as everyone wants to be Insta famous
Speaker 2: too and post these provocative videos, and the people who
Speaker 2: posted the ones that caught on that we've all seen
Speaker 2: now are getting all sorts of clicks and views and
Speaker 2: subscribers maybe to their channel, even if that's nothing we're about.
Speaker 2: And so that also feeds this too as well. We're
Speaker 2: in the we're in the essentially the content creator phase.
Speaker 2: Everyone's a content creator. Now that's a problem.
Speaker 3: That is a problem, and you know we have to remember,
Speaker 3: especially at night, and when you add a little bit
Speaker 3: of alcohol, it makes us feel more anonymous. It we'rewith
Speaker 3: if we drop our inhibitions, and we also behavee more
Speaker 3: impulsively and we lose empathy.
Speaker 2: Brain Expertly Richardson on the Scotsland Show on seven hundred WLW,
Speaker 2: we had the brawl over the summer and one person
Speaker 2: out of hundreds called nine to one one. We saw,
Speaker 2: well police respond pretty quickly what happened and just happened
Speaker 2: on Fountain Square over the last couple of days, but
Speaker 2: again an another low level of nine one one calls
Speaker 2: because people are just rather recorded then do something about it.
Speaker 2: And it has to do with obviously being a content creator,
Speaker 2: but looking through your screen and not seeing things in
Speaker 2: real life, being a spectator and not someone who's engaged.
Speaker 2: How much do you think COVID has factor in this
Speaker 2: as well? Is this still like we're seeing more of
Speaker 2: the stuff because of COVID and how does that work
Speaker 2: if so?
Speaker 3: Well, I think we're still on the aftermath of COVID,
Speaker 3: and I think COVID left all of us with some
Speaker 3: emotional trauma and that impacts our judgment, particularly late at
Speaker 3: night with alcohol. But I think that we shut down
Speaker 3: during COVID, and for some people that has maybe become
Speaker 3: the default mode. They see something, it's intense, the I'm
Speaker 3: not sure how to overreact. Then they see everybody, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of encouraging it, and everybody pulls out their camera,
Speaker 3: so that becomes the social norm. Oh, it's okay to
Speaker 3: feel this, everybody else is. And I think that we
Speaker 3: just we go more into the freeze date after COVID
Speaker 3: than we did before.
Speaker 2: And of course now we have to talk about the
Speaker 2: algorithms that encourage us going to be behavior to begin with,
Speaker 2: and how much worse is it going to get? You know,
Speaker 2: you want to think this has got to be bottomed,
Speaker 2: but it's not. Probably, no, it's not.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at loneliness, loneliness is at
Speaker 3: an all time high, and I think that that started
Speaker 3: with COVID. We were forced to isolate. We didn't go
Speaker 3: to school the same way, we didn't go to work,
Speaker 3: we didn't go to church, we didn't go to gym
Speaker 3: the same way. And for a lot of people that
Speaker 3: had severe anxiety, it was very comforting, but that I
Speaker 3: think for many people that just pushed them deeper into
Speaker 3: their anxiety. And we've got to start to connect everybody wanted.
Speaker 3: I think resilient is the foundation that we all stand on,
Speaker 3: but that doesn't just mean cognitively that your brains can.
Speaker 3: Emotionally you're you're able to control your emotions and socially
Speaker 3: you feel connected. And I think that's one thing that
Speaker 3: we're all we haven't really built back up. It's our resilience.
Speaker 2: How do you see this thing shaken out? I mean,
Speaker 2: it's part of our culture, it's part of our fabric.
Speaker 2: It's not going away. Do we just simply adapt? Do
Speaker 2: we learn to we be able to back off and
Speaker 2: understand that what the negative consequences of this life stilence?
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's really complex. Holly that took the
Speaker 3: big punch in the face, someone started to go fundme
Speaker 3: page for her, So we see an extreme of non
Speaker 3: caring and then at the same time we see that
Speaker 3: people do care. So I think that it all ties
Speaker 3: into emotional balance and that we're still in that aftermath
Speaker 3: coming out of COVID how to connect, how to react,
Speaker 3: and we are still riding the roller coaster that fights
Speaker 3: flight freeze, and I think until we can create more stabilization.
Speaker 3: And that's mentally as well as physically. It's one unit
Speaker 3: the brain and the body. It's one ning. The body
Speaker 3: keeps score of everything going on the brain with the
Speaker 3: Once we can calm that brain down and we can
Speaker 3: all do that, we can work on that on our own.
Speaker 3: There's no meditation. Breathing and making sure you get a
Speaker 3: good night sleep, exercising the basics, eating healthy foods. I've
Speaker 3: heard a term the neuroprotective diet. What you eat can
Speaker 3: protect your brain.
Speaker 2: You know, we've also heard you mentioned meditation. All these
Speaker 2: things which are much harder to do because you know
Speaker 2: your dopamine recappers are going nuts. Anytime you look at
Speaker 2: something online, you're being fed a steady dyet of that stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know it all sounds well and good. You
Speaker 2: have to be very, very proactive and saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: I've got to balance out my digital lifestyle with real life.
Speaker 2: Very very few people are going to do that simply
Speaker 2: because you're not being rewarded as much as you are
Speaker 2: when the algorithms do what they do and you're getting
Speaker 2: that neural response.
Speaker 3: Absolutely and alto neural to gendrite. Think're really confused. You
Speaker 3: know that brain starts kicking out that dopamine, and that
Speaker 3: confuses those neurons and gendrits. Instead of you know, I
Speaker 3: like this, it turns into I want this, and then
Speaker 3: it turns into I need this.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, I think also because you wonder how much
Speaker 2: it's a cyclical behavior, is that we watch what happened,
Speaker 2: people are all recording. No one's calling nine to one
Speaker 2: one because they become spectators. It's become everything's a show.
Speaker 2: Now everything is going meant to be put online, and
Speaker 2: it's a performance in front of me. Despite the fact
Speaker 2: that we've lost any sense of empathy, that we saw
Speaker 2: people kicking folks when they're down, people normally don't act
Speaker 2: like that. And I wonder how many people who are
Speaker 2: caught up in this and who are going to be
Speaker 2: charged and prosecuted and sentenced may have regret for the actions,
Speaker 2: but look back and go, what the hell was I thinking?
Speaker 2: I got swept up in a moment in the zeitgeist,
Speaker 2: and now I'm paying a heavy prices. Well you should
Speaker 2: for that kind of behavior. I don't think that's going
Speaker 2: to cause anyone else to be interested back to go. Man,
Speaker 2: Maybe you know what I maybe it's social media. Maybe
Speaker 2: I need to quit recording everything and just live more life,
Speaker 2: life as it's meant to be, and not document every
Speaker 2: little mundane moment in life and live life in the moment.
Speaker 2: But very few people are going to think like that.
Speaker 2: I think that this has just encouraged more behavior. And
Speaker 2: that's what happens, right is that doesn't this lead to
Speaker 2: more impulsivity and normally public behaviors because you're hiding behind
Speaker 2: that screen name where you'll go and attack people. You'll
Speaker 2: get that dopamine spike and you'll have this heated argument
Speaker 2: online or attack or dock somebody and it makes you
Speaker 2: feel good, but you don't think that's a real person.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think you make a good point. This
Speaker 3: has become a social norm there. Everybody pulls out their
Speaker 3: phone and if they're like taking selfies or are they're
Speaker 3: looking for something to see them. They're looking for something
Speaker 3: to catch. Everybody's watching and recording. So if everybody else
Speaker 3: is doing it, actually doing it too. And once you
Speaker 3: create a social norm, it it's going to be very
Speaker 3: hard to change.
Speaker 2: It's almost like life itself has become a video game,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you share followers, you get points. Essentially,
Speaker 2: it's only turned social interaction in a competitive game. And
Speaker 2: and people, there are people out there doing stuff online,
Speaker 2: just ridiculously stupid stuff, dangerous stuff for that matter, at
Speaker 2: any cost and for shock value, and we manufacture outrage
Speaker 2: and uh that just encourages more attention seeking antisocial behavior.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's a race to the bottom. And so it's
Speaker 2: literally I mean, if you get points, we're doing what
Speaker 2: you do what should be clicks? So what should be like?
Speaker 2: Isn't this a game?
Speaker 3: Sounds like it? I mean, and I think we're becoming
Speaker 3: these sensitized. I think we see so much of it
Speaker 3: that it's just like h's you know, here's another one.
Speaker 3: And I think that a lot of this are we're
Speaker 3: seeking stimulation and we're and for young adults are they're
Speaker 3: looking for pure ruble and putting it on social media
Speaker 3: is a quick way to get that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it also effects I think socialization too. I
Speaker 2: see a number not all, of course, but there are
Speaker 2: a lot of young people now that you know, we'll
Speaker 2: talk in one hundred and forty characters or less and
Speaker 2: not make eye contact.
Speaker 4: To it.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you if you wouldn't know. They seem
Speaker 2: autistic in a way, but it's actually the fact that
Speaker 2: all their communication has done digitally. There's very little one
Speaker 2: on one, face to face communication. It feels like that's
Speaker 2: a dying art.
Speaker 5: Well, it does.
Speaker 3: And eye contact and just verbal I have many clients
Speaker 3: that say, I don't call anybody. I can't remember the
Speaker 3: last time I called somebody. Yeah, I just text him.
Speaker 3: I just text him. And you know, if you think
Speaker 3: about how we're using AI now, there are studies that
Speaker 3: have come out that the younger population they're turning to AI,
Speaker 3: and I think thirty five percent of one survey I
Speaker 3: said that's because it didn't have anybody else to talk to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear that. And that's a very interesting point
Speaker 2: main Lee Richardson is the fact that with all this technology,
Speaker 2: grinning more and more isolated and therefore depressed. COVID exacerbated that,
Speaker 2: to be sure, but it doesn't feel like we've moved
Speaker 2: away from that. I mean, you know, when you are
Speaker 2: social distancing and you're working at home and I know
Speaker 2: they're calling people back to the office and people reluctantly
Speaker 2: are doing that. But you're not interacting with anyone that
Speaker 2: is so dangerous to the human psyche because we're social creatures,
Speaker 2: are not built for.
Speaker 3: That, and I think we kind of forget how when
Speaker 3: you don't, when you don't use social skills, well thinks that.
Speaker 3: You know, we've talked about COVID when people first started
Speaker 3: getting on the road again and driving as we came
Speaker 3: out of COVID, the road rage was incredible. We forgot
Speaker 3: how to drive nice.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we ever knew how to drive nice,
Speaker 2: but it certainly got I agree with it got worse
Speaker 2: after COVID, simply because it all became about us. We
Speaker 2: are ready very self centered people with the advent of
Speaker 2: digital technology, because it became our bone individual brand, right,
Speaker 2: That's what it was about, you know, and you're told
Speaker 2: the steady diet. If you're the most important person, you're snowflake.
Speaker 2: You know your your fingerprint, you're you're different than everyone else,
Speaker 2: and you're special. And we started naming people, you know,
Speaker 2: people get names like princess and king and things like that.
Speaker 2: Queen and those titles go around. But then you add
Speaker 2: the isolation of COVID and social media in there, and
Speaker 2: we have a very self centered society now, and it's
Speaker 2: about me and my instant gratification and no one else.
Speaker 2: How we see that people getting getting shot at McDonald's
Speaker 2: behind the counter because you know, they got a cheeseburg
Speaker 2: instead of a hamburger. If we allow that, it's not
Speaker 2: much of a stretch to go, wow, hey, there's a
Speaker 2: guy that I got beef with sitting at Citybird on
Speaker 2: Fountain Square and broad Dayla album a fire, couple of
Speaker 2: rounds in the window, or the guys that got in
Speaker 2: an argument and started shooting across traffic rush hour right
Speaker 2: at Fountain Square a couple of days ago, same thing?
Speaker 3: Wow right, Yeah, I mean, and there's something that we
Speaker 3: have to do about it if we just we just
Speaker 3: rollish and say, oh, that's just the way it is now,
Speaker 3: so will only get first. And I think that that's
Speaker 3: something that that we as we move forward with technology,
Speaker 3: we've got to redefine our relationship with technology. Your phone
Speaker 3: is not your best friend. Your phone does not need
Speaker 3: to sleep with you. And I have clients that when
Speaker 3: I say where's your phone's sleep form? You know I
Speaker 3: used to call asleep with it in my hands. Really,
Speaker 3: is that where it needs to be and I have
Speaker 3: clients that refer to AI as AL. Well, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go home. I'm going to go home and hang
Speaker 3: out with AL Who's ol ask my boyfriend. I don't
Speaker 3: know you had a boyfriend, Well, AI, I call him out.
Speaker 2: Wow, And they have conversations with AI. And I've done
Speaker 2: that kind of of je to see when the responses are.
Speaker 2: It's frightening, is what it is. And we're becoming Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're becoming more attracted to digital a digital person than
Speaker 2: a real person. That's that's frightening and exper I think
Speaker 2: a lot of this, a lot of what's happened here
Speaker 2: now anyway, what we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna say because they tell us what we want to hear,
Speaker 3: of course we're getting it.
Speaker 4: We want that.
Speaker 3: I mean AI talks to you just like you talk
Speaker 3: to it, and it will tell you and if you
Speaker 3: use it consistently, it picks up your algorithm. It will
Speaker 3: and it will learn to talk and it will tell
Speaker 3: you what you want to hear. So yeah, we all
Speaker 3: do like you, Hey, beautiful, you have a great day.
Speaker 2: And eventually we're gonna have a machine that does that
Speaker 2: in real life and there'll be no human interaction. I'll
Speaker 2: be dead and gone and happy by then. But chee
Speaker 2: Lee Richardson at the Brain Performance Center in Texas. Lee
Speaker 2: all the best, thanks for the inside good stuff. As always,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Take care, b Welly. So what
Speaker 2: we saw in July on the streets of Cincinnati, the
Speaker 2: international those to the most recent Fountain Square shootings, which
Speaker 2: has led to the dismissal essentially whatever you're calling it,
Speaker 2: administrative leave of Chief Terry Fiji. I'm guessing that that's
Speaker 2: what helped drive in the thing. And then you had
Speaker 2: the shooting in front of the in between Thursday on football.
Speaker 2: All these people around the city's lit up, and there's
Speaker 2: cops around, cops are around Fountain Square, and these people
Speaker 2: they just simply don't care. It's almost they lived in
Speaker 2: their own world, a video game as it were, or
Speaker 2: a world where I'm the central attraction. I'm the only
Speaker 2: thing that matters. I'm not going to discount criminality, predatory
Speaker 2: criminal behavior, and sociopaths that are engaging, there's no question,
Speaker 2: but I think there's a reflection there on all of
Speaker 2: us as societies where we're headed now with AI coming
Speaker 2: into fruition, which we still don't know what tomorrow is
Speaker 2: going to bring with that, but also the fact that
Speaker 2: you know, look at the few people calling nine to
Speaker 2: one one when something goes on, they'd rather record it,
Speaker 2: post content on their page to get clicks and views,
Speaker 2: and that feeds even more of the stuff too. And
Speaker 2: I think in that regard we are all to blame
Speaker 2: to some degree because we're feeding that and then you
Speaker 2: put that in the hands of well street thugs and
Speaker 2: criminals and sociopaths, and this is what happens. Just something
Speaker 2: to think about and if that's true in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form, is it really the fault of Terry
Speaker 2: Fiji or Adam Henny or whoever the chief is the
Speaker 2: city of Cincinnati. Probably not. Could you do better with
Speaker 2: the policies, absolutely, but that's above them. Scott'sland with News
Speaker 2: in four minutes here seven hundred W.
Speaker 4: Well the.
Speaker 2: Scott's looking here seven hundred W l W Welcome to
Speaker 2: the show. I just talked to Lee Richardson, and Lee
Speaker 2: is with the Brain Performance Center in Dallas and we
Speaker 2: just had the you know what cosed Terry Fiji her
Speaker 2: job essentially that would be the violence downtown, the shootings
Speaker 2: at Fountain Square, and also I would include there what
Speaker 2: happened at the end between two and you know, you
Speaker 2: talk about the impact social media has on people, and
Speaker 2: just let's look, let's look back at what happened in
Speaker 2: July when you had all these people that were fighting
Speaker 2: and getting curb stomped and everything else, and what one person,
Speaker 2: maybe two people called nine one one, and even the
Speaker 2: person who's gonna call nine one one was threatened and
Speaker 2: didn't you know, didn't feel comfortable in reaching out to
Speaker 2: police because they felt like, hey, you know what, we
Speaker 2: don't want to upset this. This is happening in our
Speaker 2: little ecosystem here, and we're gonna have race wars, but
Speaker 2: we don't want anyone responding. And you know there's people
Speaker 2: down bleeding, you know, significant and serious injuries, two people,
Speaker 2: and you wonder why that exists. Well, she talked greatly
Speaker 2: about how the impact that social media has had on
Speaker 2: all of us, and even if you're not involved in
Speaker 2: you're offended by that. We also are still to blame
Speaker 2: because we drive the content through the algorithms and that's
Speaker 2: why clickbait is created. I think it's interesting too just
Speaker 2: reading the story about social media. The social media make
Speaker 2: you dumber, And the answer is well, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: we can. I think we can absolutely measure that, but think, okay, well,
Speaker 2: how do we test that? How we get simply just
Speaker 2: you know, there's really no way to measure it, but
Speaker 2: there is. If you had a you know what they
Speaker 2: call in the research field, you know you've got a
Speaker 2: you got a test, and a test better than a
Speaker 2: I'm not blanking on the name of it, you know
Speaker 2: I'm talking about anyway, long story short. If you think
Speaker 2: scrolling the Internet days making it dumber, what about AI?
Speaker 2: So what they did is fascinating researchers, I think Texas.
Speaker 2: And then they took junk data. They took the stuff
Speaker 2: that we look at, the clickbait, the millions and millions
Speaker 2: of short social media posts. They took stuff from Facebook
Speaker 2: and x and Instagram and all that, and they put
Speaker 2: a bunch of it into AIAI models. The stuff that
Speaker 2: has a lot of engagement, likes, reposts, longer content, that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, sensationalized presentations and really thin on actual information.
Speaker 2: Basically the same type of content that's rotting our own
Speaker 2: brands or it feels like our writting own bridge. What
Speaker 2: did AI do with this stuff? Because it's a learning
Speaker 2: model the AI models that they use saw significant drops
Speaker 2: in reasoning capabilities, understanding context, and being safe a sense
Speaker 2: adherence to safety standards. So more than just getting dumber,
Speaker 2: they included the clickbait, they included the junk, and it
Speaker 2: also changed the model's personality because it's a learning model
Speaker 2: and so we'll learn and the responses when you read them,
Speaker 2: you tend to look at and go, okay, it's not
Speaker 2: just data, but there's a little personality. Well that's a yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, you could say, hey, take the story and
Speaker 2: make it funny, and it would make it funny that
Speaker 2: there's a personality element to it. And I know it's
Speaker 2: a I know it's a computer and it's it's AI.
Speaker 2: But that's the scary part of the good part about it,
Speaker 2: I suppose. So they put this through I think metas
Speaker 2: when a meta's AI bots, and it displayed significantly higher
Speaker 2: levels of narcissism and became less agreeable and also went
Speaker 2: from displaying nearly no signs of psychopathy to extremely high
Speaker 2: rates of psychopathy. That's crazy. Literally, it's making the computer crazy.
Speaker 2: So if that is AI, and we can measure baseline
Speaker 2: AI and go okay, well, this is before we feeded
Speaker 2: a bunch of junk. If that's rotting the brain of
Speaker 2: the computer, so to speak, what is that doing to
Speaker 2: me and you? And conversely, when you look at what
Speaker 2: happened at Fountain Square, when you look at what happened
Speaker 2: d'uring the beatdown in July, it wouldn't surprise one that
Speaker 2: no one is going to call the police. No one
Speaker 2: cares to call the police or reach out and say, hey,
Speaker 2: these are actually living human beings here because we're programmed
Speaker 2: to steady died of this doncentse And you know, if
Speaker 2: you spend all day looking at it, and I'm guilty
Speaker 2: of it too, you might be as well. I try
Speaker 2: to avoid it as much as possible, because it just
Speaker 2: feels toxic to me. It really really does. So social media,
Speaker 2: when you take it and put it at AI, makes
Speaker 2: AI worse, dumber, more angry, just like us. We're in
Speaker 2: day twenty three the shutdown now and now officially the
Speaker 2: second longest funding lapse in modern history, eclipsing the one
Speaker 2: back in back to nineteen ninety five during the Clinton administration.
Speaker 2: Thirty five days would be the record, by the way,
Speaker 2: in case you're counting thirty five days and healthcare of
Speaker 2: course as a hold up in this whole thing. We've
Speaker 2: been talking about that. I'll have a guest on at
Speaker 2: eleven oh six on that topic entirely too. Now, especially
Speaker 2: as we head into benefit season here. It's open enrollment
Speaker 2: coming up November first, and we're expecting the worst works
Speaker 2: back being you know, a lot less coverage and more cost.
Speaker 2: And that's for all of us too. So we are
Speaker 2: now day twenty three of this thing. Yesterday they tried
Speaker 2: to pass the I think the twelfth attempt to pass
Speaker 2: the bill and nothing, largely because no one's outrage yet.
Speaker 2: Now I know that they're going to start cutting SNAP
Speaker 2: and that does affect seniors as well as low income families.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that will get someone's attention or they'll
Speaker 2: just go what they usually do is just say, well,
Speaker 2: you know we can we we'll find some money for
Speaker 2: because you know, it's theater up until a point that
Speaker 2: someone gets hurt, no doubt about it. So we have
Speaker 2: that going on. This is in the medical area here too.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this. Last year they handed on a
Speaker 2: Nobel Prize and on the nobil risory toxic and polarize
Speaker 2: these days, but the Nobel buying physiology went to I
Speaker 2: guess it a scientist or scientists, I should say that
Speaker 2: studied animals, animals that can breathe through their anus. What
Speaker 2: So now they've taken their research and said, there's mammals
Speaker 2: that are capable of breeding through their butt. What do
Speaker 2: we do with that? Well, for people who have disabilities
Speaker 2: or blocked airways or clogged lungs, the OPD, for example,
Speaker 2: maybe I don't know, they are now experimenting and getting
Speaker 2: promising results to bring rectal oxygen delivery one step closer
Speaker 2: to medical reality. I don't know if that's a foot pump,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. If you, I don't know, you stop
Speaker 2: at UDF and you put quarters in, I'm not I
Speaker 2: have no idea how that would work, but guarantee this,
Speaker 2: if they get to that point, there will be some
Speaker 2: product that comes out. PNG is probably already working on
Speaker 2: something to make your anus smell better. So it's to
Speaker 2: have fresh breath from the mouth and the butt as well,
Speaker 2: a butt muffler or something. I don't know how they're
Speaker 2: going to do this. It's a I don't know, if
Speaker 2: it's a stovepipe, I'm not going not wait sure, you
Speaker 2: just think about going well, you know, you've seriously if
Speaker 2: you can't breathe, that's problematic for the human condition. Generally.
Speaker 2: Not breathing is frowned upon in these parts, tends not
Speaker 2: to have good outcomes, as they say in the medical field.
Speaker 2: Now there's an option to actually be able to breathe
Speaker 2: through your butt, well, not an option yet, it's maybe
Speaker 2: they're working on this thing. What does that kind to
Speaker 2: look like? Science is freaking amazing, absolutely amazing. That's good
Speaker 2: stuff right there, Scott's Loan Show on this Thursday morning.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're on the backside of this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Coming up at ten oh six Dominic Miserndido's here. He's
Speaker 2: a retail expert, okay, and what nine months in roughly
Speaker 2: we're heading to the quarter four quarter four is here?
Speaker 2: How's this whole tariff thing working out? I was at
Speaker 2: the store yes two days ago and it was Costco
Speaker 2: of all places, which I love be some Costco because
Speaker 2: the prices are good, people are very friendly there, and
Speaker 2: everything's in quantity, which we like. I actually, for the
Speaker 2: first time a long time or since I can ever remember,
Speaker 2: said look to beef and went, yeah, it's too expensive.
Speaker 2: It didn't high like to eat right, being Italian and
Speaker 2: all that, and I look at it and go, wow,
Speaker 2: pick up a pack of steaks and I think they
Speaker 2: were just like I don't know, strip stakes or something
Speaker 2: like that. And it was one hundred dollars for it
Speaker 2: was a good There was a costco sized pack mine.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like tuesdaks. Even the hamburger was like, you know,
Speaker 2: six between six seven dollars a pound, Wow for hamburger.
Speaker 2: It looked at it when O kaid, it's a lot
Speaker 2: of hamburger freeze, like a lot of the stuff putting
Speaker 2: in the ceiler and bag it up. But yeah, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm good chickadizer, Like I got two forty
Speaker 2: nine pounds. I'll go that. I'll do that, like do
Speaker 2: I need no, No, we're good, We're good. I couldn't
Speaker 2: believe it. But then that's just me, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: you and in course countless other people, so many people
Speaker 2: feel the effect that every day. And you know, you
Speaker 2: look at it and go, can I actually afford to
Speaker 2: buy hamber It used to be steak right or something
Speaker 2: nicer cut of meat. Now it's like I can't even
Speaker 2: I can't affer eggs Hamburger. It's all going through the
Speaker 2: roof inflation and tariffs and of course you know with
Speaker 2: beef too. There's a lot of other factors in there
Speaker 2: as well, with droughts and sicknesses. But we'll get into
Speaker 2: that with the dominant. Coming up at twelve. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: twelve was six, I said, coming up at the ten
Speaker 2: oh seven this morning here on the Scott Sloan Show
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WW News on the way about six
Speaker 2: minutes here, seven hundred W WELW Scott's Loan Show. Keeping
Speaker 2: on top of everything. The latest Thigi news kind of
Speaker 2: light today, But yesterday I think it was WCPO nine
Speaker 2: at a interview with aftab Purevall and he said, this
Speaker 2: investigation is going to take months to figure out what
Speaker 2: she did wrong so we can fire her. And you know,
Speaker 2: typically you go, well, maybe, okay, yeah, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: Thigi was did something that's going to cause her to
Speaker 2: be suspended and paid leave and what what has she
Speaker 2: got someoned back from the conference in Denver and we
Speaker 2: thought it was crime related and they're investigating her and
Speaker 2: now she's paid leave. What's going on? What kind of
Speaker 2: high level stuff is going on? Ask yourself a question,
Speaker 2: and that may be true, but ask yourself a question.
Speaker 2: How many times has that actually happened where someone as
Speaker 2: that said, Hey, we've suspended a person. Now we're going
Speaker 2: to wait two or three months and then tell tell
Speaker 2: you what it is we think they did wrong. Doesn't
Speaker 2: that Isn't that completely counter to the criminal justice system,
Speaker 2: even did the basics of due process, And ironically, she's
Speaker 2: the chief of police due processes. Okay, here's what we're
Speaker 2: charging you with. Here are the accusations against you. Defend yourself. Instead,
Speaker 2: they're going, okay, we're going to suspend you. Now we're
Speaker 2: going to look for the stuff we suspended you. It's
Speaker 2: it's part and parcel for what's going on at city Hall.
Speaker 2: It really is something else. I'm not saying she's Clai.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Knowing Terry and her family and what
Speaker 2: they've done. Hard to believe that she'd be up to
Speaker 2: something that would cost her her job, and you start
Speaker 2: to the mind wanders of things you could do as
Speaker 2: a chief that would cause you to be forced out.
Speaker 2: But we've never heard a rumor about that. Talk to
Speaker 2: people at other news organizations, they haven't heard anything like
Speaker 2: that with Terry Thiji. It doesn't pass a sniff test.
Speaker 2: But again, now, normally how you do, like pe sitting
Speaker 2: and felt for example, Okay, we heard rumors and then
Speaker 2: okay we had the FBI and the sting and all that.
Speaker 2: That information came out and he of course denied it
Speaker 2: all and then went to prison and then got out
Speaker 2: of prison because it was overturned. I get that. That's
Speaker 2: usually how it works. I don't see too often if ever,
Speaker 2: we met something and go we're suspending them, and there's
Speaker 2: no inkling as to what they They don't know what
Speaker 2: they did. So I'll reach out to Steve vm over
Speaker 2: at Finney lawfer maybe he wants to come on and
Speaker 2: address this. We'll probably do that next week because hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, Thursday, Friday, you're thinking about the weekend,
Speaker 2: and so am I. So it feels like a good
Speaker 2: Monday topic. And who the hell knows what's going to
Speaker 2: happen between now and then? You got me? You got me,
Speaker 2: Speaking of crime and punishment, the Louver The louverra reopened yesterday,
Speaker 2: first time since Steve's stold eight of France's Crown jewels,
Speaker 2: and the value on that, by the way street value
Speaker 2: of over one hundred million dollars for eight jewels, and
Speaker 2: they're still in the hunt obviously for the four thieves
Speaker 2: that did this during daylight hours. And what it incredibly
Speaker 2: they are addressed is construction workers. They get in and
Speaker 2: out of the louver in less than what seven minutes
Speaker 2: while the museum was opening to the public, and they
Speaker 2: also set off two alarms and were confronted by security
Speaker 2: personnel and show talked their way out of it and
Speaker 2: then hopped on some motorcycles and took off, which is
Speaker 2: pretty smart when you think about I mean Paris, they
Speaker 2: are a live you never been but it's incredible number
Speaker 2: of motorcycles they have in Europe, but particularly in France
Speaker 2: and in Paris obviously because so many people in the
Speaker 2: streets are so narrow, but you can get around on
Speaker 2: them pretty quickly. The idea that you're going to know
Speaker 2: all the things it gets you know, if you I
Speaker 2: don't stole a painting, be much harder to get away
Speaker 2: on a motorcycle. But he's still jewels, which is probably
Speaker 2: part of the target. It's like, okay, well I can
Speaker 2: throw them in my pocket, get them on bike and roll.
Speaker 2: And then they had that image of the electric ladder
Speaker 2: that was extended the second floor window, but the louver
Speaker 2: is undergoing extensive remodeling, as you may or may not know,
Speaker 2: and that's a pretty common sight. That's how you get
Speaker 2: things to the top floors. If you've you know, we
Speaker 2: see it occasionally in Cincinnati and are of the most
Speaker 2: densest urban area. But if you go to I don't
Speaker 2: like Chicago or New York for example, and you watch
Speaker 2: them work on a building, I mean, to hoist drywall
Speaker 2: up is a feat of engineering. We're literally got to
Speaker 2: blow all the windows out and just hoist it up
Speaker 2: on a giant lift and get the sheets of drywall
Speaker 2: up to the thirtieth floor or whatever it does. You're going.
Speaker 2: That's a whole different operation there. So it all it
Speaker 2: all kind of fit together. The fascinating part about this
Speaker 2: to me is how the alarms want out, they knew
Speaker 2: the alarms would go off in security to respond, and
Speaker 2: how they are still able to get away in talking
Speaker 2: their way out of this thing dress as construction workers.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to hear that element of it. That's
Speaker 2: the most fascinating part of this to me. And also
Speaker 2: it makes you think, well, they had some insight knowledge
Speaker 2: of how things are going to work, because I did
Speaker 2: read that there are cameras in the second story. We're
Speaker 2: facing in the wrong direction. And you know, if you're
Speaker 2: working and can instruction on a floor a couple of floors,
Speaker 2: moving stuff around is commonplace, and so you wonder if
Speaker 2: that was maybe how they got in, But you would
Speaker 2: also think you'd have to have people inside the loop
Speaker 2: helping you too, and pretty precise the fact that they
Speaker 2: got in they got specifically what they wanted, because there
Speaker 2: I know there's I don't know the total number of
Speaker 2: Crown jewels, but there's there's a number. They got eight
Speaker 2: of them, very specific items. But doesn't that make you think, okay,
Speaker 2: if specifically they got these things, was this like a
Speaker 2: did they already have the fence set up? And that
Speaker 2: was that someoney who said, hey, listen, we'll pay you
Speaker 2: this amount of money if you can get these jewels,
Speaker 2: go in and get them. And they did that. It
Speaker 2: was like a basically they placed an order and the
Speaker 2: thieves went and got this stuff. And just the number
Speaker 2: of people it took too, I think to pull this
Speaker 2: off is fascinating to me. So and it's just like
Speaker 2: the Italian job or snatch or I mentioned Inspectorcluso in
Speaker 2: Pink Panther or Ocean's eleven. Yeah, it's just a good
Speaker 2: fevery story and you look at it, go this is
Speaker 2: gonna be give me some poorn because it's gonna be
Speaker 2: great on Netflix when they finally solved this whole thing.
Speaker 2: By the way, uh, Scotts phone coming up next to
Speaker 2: the show Don Mizarndino's here is retail experts, the terraffs
Speaker 2: feeling that we're feeling the squeeze the consumer end. And
Speaker 2: I think that is indeed the problem here because when
Speaker 2: it's I don't know, cattle ranchers are getting money, Venezuela
Speaker 2: is getting money. We got money coming in from the terrace,
Speaker 2: but it's not trickling down to me and you. And
Speaker 2: if so, how long can we stand this pain with
Speaker 2: the terraffs. That's just ahead on the Home of the
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Speaker 1: Be an American idiot?
Speaker 2: It's got flown back on seven hundred w W. So, uh,
Speaker 2: my wife and I work Costco the other day. Love
Speaker 2: me some Costco even though it's just two of us
Speaker 2: for summer speaking chop at Costco. Do I really need?
Speaker 2: Do I really need a fifty five gallon drum of mayonnaise? No,
Speaker 2: but damn it, look at that price on that. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I'm looking around it for the first time since I
Speaker 2: don't know when I looked at a package of beef
Speaker 2: and I think it was like, you know, a pack
Speaker 2: of steaks or something you're freeze on me to cut,
Speaker 2: and it was over one hundred dollars may like a
Speaker 2: package of ground beef. Now granted it's the Costco size package,
Speaker 2: but it was like forty to fifty bucks. And I
Speaker 2: looked at it and went, nope. So where are you
Speaker 2: on tariffs, because that's part of this too. Beef is
Speaker 2: a I think maybe a little bit different. But you know,
Speaker 2: we have that, we have inflation driving the cost of
Speaker 2: goods or consumers the stuff that is widely important in
Speaker 2: the US, in particular furniture, car parts, electronics. I mentioned
Speaker 2: beef getting hit some of the big ones companies that
Speaker 2: passed on roughly two thirds of those costs to us
Speaker 2: to meet and you and we're waiting for all this
Speaker 2: to come back to us. The question is if and
Speaker 2: when and on that is dominic mister Indino is a
Speaker 2: CEO at retail tech Media Nexus Rtmnexus dot com Dominic.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, how you doing.
Speaker 6: Brother, Thrilled to be back, Thrill to be back and
Speaker 6: cover some light and airy issues in the economy.
Speaker 2: I was cringing at the price of beef and walk
Speaker 2: in and went now And I don't ever remember doing
Speaker 2: that because I like beef, I like chicken, I like
Speaker 2: you know this, My body type is beef. So when
Speaker 2: we look at the tariffs themselves and what's happening or
Speaker 2: President Trump just told cattle ranchers, I think yesterday, the
Speaker 2: only reason they're doing so well is because tariffs on
Speaker 2: cattle come in the United States are causing their prices
Speaker 2: and they're causing make a more profit. And that includes
Speaker 2: a fifty percent tar from Brazil. But now we want
Speaker 2: to import bee from Argentina because we want we want
Speaker 2: to help their economy, and then cattle ranchers here will
Speaker 2: get three billion dollars in assistance to those who have
Speaker 2: been hurt with the trade dispute with countries like China.
Speaker 2: So it's like just a malgam. It's a casse role
Speaker 2: of subsidy and giveaway and tariffs and then we're taking
Speaker 2: the money and giving it to farmers. And it feels
Speaker 2: like everyone's getting money of foreign countries and farmers, but
Speaker 2: they ain't doing anything for me and you.
Speaker 6: Well, and I think started the basics of the equation,
Speaker 6: and I go back to the basics, mean, what is
Speaker 6: a tar of The tariff is attacks essentially passed on
Speaker 6: to the consumer unimported goods, which means, and you're going
Speaker 6: to have to buy beef right now, your choice is
Speaker 6: American beef price, and everything else has a tariff on it,
Speaker 6: there by making it more expensive, making the American beef
Speaker 6: price grows up. If the American consumer is good with that,
Speaker 6: paying higher prices, then hooray on tariffs. Now the challenge
Speaker 6: is the American consumer, such as yourself, knock on the door, say.
Speaker 4: One hundred dollars feet, what's going on, dude? And CAUs
Speaker 4: there's one cycle. In the addition, you have this other issue,
Speaker 4: this whole Argentina thing. And then the farmers themselves saying,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, I thought we were winning in this equation.
Speaker 6: By stopping all external beef, you're helping Argentina. So I
Speaker 6: think you have almost like two stories hitting each other,
Speaker 6: like the cars driving into each other middle highway, and
Speaker 6: to be honest, the only one to lose is the
Speaker 6: guy who has a paycheck who says, are these parts
Speaker 6: necessarily getting me where I want to be?
Speaker 2: I think it's a fair assessment because you look at
Speaker 2: that Brazil and the tariffs and women to Argentine. Well, Argentina, okay,
Speaker 2: we need to help their economy. So we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: with the tariffs. I don't know if with the impact
Speaker 2: is Argentina tariffs, but we ont to lift their economents.
Speaker 2: We're gonna give them subsidy. We're gonna Venezuela another one.
Speaker 2: Cattle ranchers here get three billion dollars because they're not
Speaker 2: selling stake because somebody like me walks in goes. I
Speaker 2: ain't paying that for a stake. You know it'll be
Speaker 2: special cat back to special occasion or grand beef or
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Okay, So they're getting money through you know,
Speaker 2: tariffs and subseat it. We don't get anything as the consumers.
Speaker 2: Now we're waiting. We're told back in January and up
Speaker 2: to that that hey, we're gonna hit the tariffs and
Speaker 2: guess what, We're gonna start getting jobs back it's going
Speaker 2: to start to just cost everyone's going to be rich.
Speaker 2: And we keep waiting for that, and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: here we are and the Q four right now, we're
Speaker 2: not seeing that, and that really is the problem right here,
Speaker 2: we're not getting the relief we were told we're going
Speaker 2: to get.
Speaker 4: I think the critical part of that is the when.
Speaker 6: Meaning tariffs add to the American overall budget to put
Speaker 6: them in supplictic we get the money we're collecting. Everyone
Speaker 6: has to pay more for their beads, and they put
Speaker 6: sending money right to the US government. All right, theoretically
Speaker 6: paying down debt, but the when kicks in, so you're
Speaker 6: paying one hundred bucks x percentage of it goes to
Speaker 6: tariffs if it's not US base goes right to the
Speaker 6: US budget and thereby you're paying down the budget. Now
Speaker 6: your next question of when, well, most estimates are ten
Speaker 6: years plus, right, So the average consumer has to think
Speaker 6: the when timeline is a little bit off. You know,
Speaker 6: we're not going to see necessarily you're paying a hundred
Speaker 6: bucks and then next week prices magically dropped.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: And I think the American, the average person, you know,
Speaker 4: can I can live with this?
Speaker 6: Three months six months, nine months, and now we're coming
Speaker 6: out to nine months of the presidency.
Speaker 4: It's a doubt. See how people are looking saying, why
Speaker 4: am I paying as much coalty?
Speaker 2: I get it right, We're not in the town. We've
Speaker 2: seen this before, like the wars and stuff. We just
Speaker 2: you fight, America, just go. We'll just hang on for
Speaker 2: a lot longer because we have the attention span of
Speaker 2: a moth, which is pretty much non existent, and we
Speaker 2: just okay, well, well look at the midterms and we'll
Speaker 2: punish Republicans because it's not going fast enough, and then
Speaker 2: a Democrat will come in and undo all this stuff
Speaker 2: and start their own policies, and that won't work, and
Speaker 2: then we're back to Republican and meanwhile, the cost of
Speaker 2: everything is going through the roof. I think in particulars,
Speaker 2: you know, Dominic with beef, there's some outliers there in
Speaker 2: addition to tariffs and not just fair to say terraces,
Speaker 2: but we had a multi year drought that caused cattle
Speaker 2: herts to shrink. We know that farmers are hit with that,
Speaker 2: and production expenses went up, and I think we're down
Speaker 2: by like seven to ten percent. Fewer ranches in America
Speaker 2: number of cattle producing farms and America has gone down
Speaker 2: over the past several years. We had to stop importing
Speaker 2: cattle from Mexico because of the screw worm, which is
Speaker 2: a parasitic flesh eating maggot, I guess, And so we
Speaker 2: all these factors in addition to the tariffs.
Speaker 4: That doesn't help well, you know the other factor. To
Speaker 4: me economically, I am very much the time thinking more
Speaker 4: competition gives us more choices. Isn't it great when you
Speaker 4: go when you could say I want to buy Argentinian beef,
Speaker 4: I want to buy a New Zealand lamb or whatever
Speaker 4: you want.
Speaker 6: The problem with the tariffs is we're actually we're eliminating
Speaker 6: to other choices. For the average consumer. You go there
Speaker 6: and you have to buy whatever is the cheapest because
Speaker 6: you're just trying to make a paycheck at this point.
Speaker 4: That doesn't necessarily help very lucky.
Speaker 6: But the competition does reduce the prices and cause people
Speaker 6: to say, hey, you know, let me make the choice,
Speaker 6: and maybe it's equal and you choose Americans, And that's great,
Speaker 6: right as an argument about.
Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, And I think the thing is we
Speaker 2: heard that, I guess because of the tariffs America has
Speaker 2: made I guess, and the taxes and the import tax
Speaker 2: it would be some two hundred million. I forget with
Speaker 2: the numbers. It's a lot of money, but that's not
Speaker 2: getting sent back to the tax where the consumers. It's
Speaker 2: going to, you know, the ranchers to not to make
Speaker 2: offsets and other manufacturers get subs to the other countries
Speaker 2: are getting that money back. It's not time to go
Speaker 2: to Argentina, right right, And none of us coming back
Speaker 2: to the American consumer. Although some good news India. I
Speaker 2: guess the US were close to coming up with a
Speaker 2: trade deal that could cut things from fifty percent sent
Speaker 2: down to like fifteen percent, which would be huge. How
Speaker 2: big a dent does that make to the consumer? Do
Speaker 2: we see that?
Speaker 6: I don't think we will because the other other factor
Speaker 6: in all, if you're running a company in America and
Speaker 6: let's say you're not effected by tariffs, but all the
Speaker 6: other prices and now going up by fifty percent, you're
Speaker 6: going to raise your price. I mean, I've spoken to
Speaker 6: many retailers who said, we are American based, and while
Speaker 6: the theory was the tariff, you know, I guess raises
Speaker 6: everyone else's prices and the American is there by cheaper
Speaker 6: and reason up because why am I going to charge
Speaker 6: five bucks when everything else at ten? Souse, I'm just
Speaker 6: making five bucks more now at this point. I'm raising
Speaker 6: my price from five to ten at that point, and
Speaker 6: the American consumer will take it because all the other
Speaker 6: prices are now.
Speaker 2: Right well at some point, I mean, you know, we
Speaker 2: heard about the cost Well, we're going to eat the costs,
Speaker 2: eat the costs. Well, we know now that manufactures because
Speaker 2: the data's out there that said they're passing two thirds
Speaker 2: of stuff out of the consumer. So but how do
Speaker 2: retail how did they You're in the ret how business dominic, mistery,
Speaker 2: you know, how do they decide which tariff costs to absorb,
Speaker 2: which wants to pass on the consumers? And what what?
Speaker 2: What factors end on that?
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm actually not only see r TM nextus
Speaker 6: the most board for Engaged three, a pricing company, and
Speaker 6: we have these conversations.
Speaker 4: All the time. It's what the consumer wants in the
Speaker 4: sense that right now you're buying, are you going to
Speaker 4: jump to one fifty tomorrow? Probably not. You might switch
Speaker 4: to vegetables.
Speaker 6: However, one hundred dollars beet for the next six months.
Speaker 6: Your mindset starts to switch and you say, this is
Speaker 6: normal now and right now. If you think we have
Speaker 6: this mantra of the price of eggs, the price of eggs,
Speaker 6: the price of eggs, it's not like the price of
Speaker 6: eggs is less when Trump came to office. Now, I'm
Speaker 6: not saying that in political sense. I'm saying in a
Speaker 6: psychological sense. We we set as a as a society,
Speaker 6: we all go, this must be normal. There's nothing wrong
Speaker 6: about this whatsoever. And in fact, well, it isn't down.
Speaker 6: You know, it's roughly where we were a year or
Speaker 6: two ago.
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's true, especially in Dominican gas prices.
Speaker 2: Right when when the gas has been low recently, but
Speaker 2: you know, hey, gas is up near for well, I
Speaker 2: hits that magic. You know, even number four dollars, three
Speaker 2: fifty four dollars gas four dollars agays this is outrageous.
Speaker 2: But if it drops down to three seventy five, three fifty,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, gas price is down, but a
Speaker 2: year ago gas was three dollars. Callum, we forget we
Speaker 2: absolutely do.
Speaker 4: I mean I'm looking right now, live at the price
Speaker 4: of gas. It has been roughly the same and high
Speaker 4: since twenty twenty when it dipped when no one was
Speaker 4: using gas anyway during COVID.
Speaker 6: So we do say, hooray went from four to three.
Speaker 6: Horay beef is now one hundred, it goes down to ninety.
Speaker 6: And I think we have to almost look and the
Speaker 6: data is there. You can go Google.
Speaker 4: Everyone on this.
Speaker 6: Listening now can go immediately Google look at the price
Speaker 6: in historically these states and decide for themselves as voters,
Speaker 6: is this the policies they want and how long? And
Speaker 6: the answer could be yes in certain circumstances. Now to me,
Speaker 6: I will say, in my opinion, I think certain times
Speaker 6: don't make any sense to me in a sense like
Speaker 6: calling the premise being you're going to raise that American industry,
Speaker 6: but there's only one state that makes coffee. Yeah it's light, right,
Speaker 6: so why not all others? Gasoline is a good example.
Speaker 6: I don't think we should be limiting resources, and there's
Speaker 6: very few resources I think as a consumer makes sense.
Speaker 4: To limit because this limits my choices.
Speaker 6: I enjoy going supermarket and having something different to try today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, by shut down a Keystone pipeline, we need
Speaker 2: more of that in the interim. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: clean energy is great, it's a great goal to have,
Speaker 2: but for the least next hundred years, we're going to
Speaker 2: dependent on fossil fuels. There's just no way around it,
Speaker 2: because it's in everything we consume, not just your car,
Speaker 2: but your clothes, your house, your your your coffee cup,
Speaker 2: all this stuff. It's insane to think that we can
Speaker 2: just flip a switch and make everything green. Dominic miss
Speaker 2: Redino's the CEO of Retail Tech Media and Nexus RTM
Speaker 2: mediaex dot Com, and he is a expert when it
Speaker 2: comes to why stuff costs what it costs in the
Speaker 2: retail environment, and specifically it's starting to I think we're
Speaker 2: starting to see at the checkout coming what is the
Speaker 2: impact on like Kroger for example, Cincinnati based Kroger.
Speaker 4: You know, all this comes down back to the consumer
Speaker 4: in the sense that yes, is a question of passing
Speaker 4: it on. But when you're limiting choices, what does the
Speaker 4: consumer say? Generally, the consumer, when the price hits it,
Speaker 4: we'll go into survival mode. So maybe you're not buying
Speaker 4: the organic beat you want you to buy. You know,
Speaker 4: maybe you're not buying this specialty localized and they're buying survival.
Speaker 4: So I think the mindset switches to what the consumer needs.
Speaker 2: M what about independent retailers or what about the little guy?
Speaker 4: Or into me. If you're the average consumer listening on
Speaker 4: this broadcast and you're thinking yourself, where am I going shopping?
Speaker 4: It's one hundred bucks people have. When they said that
Speaker 4: out loud, they're every one can costco see it? Oh
Speaker 4: buying that. They're not necessarily saying themselves, I'm going to
Speaker 4: go downtown to that specialty butcher to buy that's specialty
Speaker 4: localized XYZ. Not because they don't want to, because the
Speaker 4: price is it's survival of that, you know, for the
Speaker 4: family pay the bill. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got the holidays coming up. So then there's
Speaker 2: a factor of seasonal planning and holiday inventory. Are we
Speaker 2: going to notice a difference and how much stuff in
Speaker 2: stock is on shelves because you don't want to overbuy,
Speaker 2: you don't underbuy, And it's a season starting earlier and
Speaker 2: earlier because well, they're going to get their inventory and
Speaker 2: when it's gone, it's gone.
Speaker 6: I tell people the time him to start earlier for
Speaker 6: the holidays. I'm already starting to see it. I'm talking
Speaker 6: to retail thing. Our inventory is shifting, we're running out
Speaker 6: stuff more often than not, we're hitting those delays. I
Speaker 6: don't think it's necessarily panic as much, and I don't
Speaker 6: think talent it's ever the right answer.
Speaker 4: It is planning. It's always planning over panic, right.
Speaker 2: Dominic As far as the big picture here and you
Speaker 2: know the wall, Well, we're doing these teriffs because we're
Speaker 2: going to repatriate American jobs. And I mean, are your suppliers,
Speaker 2: are your the companies you represent, are they specifically seeking
Speaker 2: American manufacturers and American trades people to supply them with
Speaker 2: the goods that they need to stock their shelves to
Speaker 2: be fair?
Speaker 4: I think the answer, of course is it depends chip manufacturers,
Speaker 4: chemicals dirty that Americans don't want. They're not coming back,
Speaker 4: and nor maybe do we even want them to come back.
Speaker 6: We don't necessarily want our kids going into minds, right
Speaker 6: if we can avoid it.
Speaker 4: That said, if it's something that can be repatriated, but
Speaker 4: you know, you're not getting.
Speaker 6: Coffee coming to America anytime soon, You're not building a
Speaker 6: chick factory for ten years anytime soon. Those things are
Speaker 6: definitely getting limited. So I think, uh, you know, one example,
Speaker 6: I just spoke to an eyeglass company.
Speaker 4: She's like, the only people who can make these glasses.
Speaker 6: Specialty, high end glasses are in Italy. She's like, I
Speaker 6: can't get a factory. She's like, if I get them
Speaker 6: to even even if I could immigrate them over which
Speaker 6: is another immigration question, how do I get the specialties
Speaker 6: specialty guy who's been doing this for fifty years to
Speaker 6: come to Ohio and train the people on that craft
Speaker 6: craft and artisanship and factories take awa. There are some
Speaker 6: that might not woodworking, you know we have and there's
Speaker 6: find things we do have in America, right we don't.
Speaker 4: But when it comes to industries that need to be
Speaker 4: recreated from scratch, you hear these factories overseas that we're
Speaker 4: not going to. That's what you get American workers going
Speaker 4: in at four dollars an hour anytime soon. Just not
Speaker 4: the economics, but they have that instead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody knows where this ends, is the thing. And
Speaker 2: what happens over the next year or two years, because
Speaker 2: belts are tightening, and I think you know, your your
Speaker 2: retailer see that at the counter, what people are buying
Speaker 2: or not buying. You know, we look at the layoffs
Speaker 2: of companies like P and G for example here in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: because they're forward looking, right, they're looking quarters ahead, going, well,
Speaker 2: you know what, people are buying cheaper laundry detersion, or
Speaker 2: they're doing fewer loads of laundry. They'll still buying tide,
Speaker 2: but they're doing fewer loads or trying to cram more
Speaker 2: in their laundry. And so now we have to offset
Speaker 2: that by well, we got to tighten our belts as well.
Speaker 2: So it's it seems like it's slow moving, but it's not.
Speaker 2: And the tariffs are coming on roots and longer it
Speaker 2: goes on, we got to start seeing some payoffs at
Speaker 2: some point, otherwise it's just going to be held to
Speaker 2: pay here. I don't know how you can afford ground
Speaker 2: beef at this point for the typical American family. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's my wife and I. We do fairly well, but
Speaker 2: family members are kids for example, like yeah, we can't
Speaker 2: buy we can't afford that anymore. And you start to
Speaker 2: wonder the effect if this how much longer this can
Speaker 2: go on? He's Dominic mister and Dino, CEO at Retail
Speaker 2: Tech Media and Nexus Rtmnexus dot Com. Dominic always appreciate
Speaker 2: the insight. Thanks again, brother, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 2: Take care. News on the way in just about four minutes,
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Speaker 2: that we're blessed to have. You know, you look at
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Speaker 2: on seven hundred w W because I got feeling I
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Speaker 2: break in here on seven hundred WW Sloany and this morning.
Speaker 2: And this affects all of us too. By the way,
Speaker 2: I just tell you a story about the social media
Speaker 2: and how they fed all the clickbait and all this
Speaker 2: nonsense you read on social media into AI chatbots, and
Speaker 2: it actually made aichat Ai dummer and more angry, which
Speaker 2: is it's measurable, and that's computer imagement's doing us. And
Speaker 2: of all the things to keep you awakened, that may
Speaker 2: be one thing. Some sixty to seventy million America have
Speaker 2: chronic sleep deprivation. Twenty two of us have sleep apnea.
Speaker 2: Twenty two million people have sleep apnea. Insomnia effects about
Speaker 2: a third of the population, and third of adults in
Speaker 2: four and ten say they often feel or fall asleep
Speaker 2: at work. And if you're a truck driver, that's really concerning.
Speaker 2: Some jobs you probably can get away with. There are
Speaker 2: times where I've admittedly fall asleep during the show and
Speaker 2: no one noticed. But truck drivers that is bad. You're
Speaker 2: flying an airplane bad. You're probably in somebody's heart doing surgery.
Speaker 1: Bad.
Speaker 2: Talk show not so much. Sonjay shave A Crimani's on
Speaker 2: the show this morning is in the air physician at
Speaker 2: doctor Sonja Sincy with a y or. He intersects the
Speaker 2: worlds of food and health and fitness and jumps in
Speaker 2: the show this morning in studio this morning, How are
Speaker 2: you a coach? How are you doing doing well? Thanks
Speaker 2: for having I'm doing good, Thanks for coming in this morning. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you're an your air physician in Cincinnati, but you're
Speaker 2: also you're in the fitness realm as well. You hear
Speaker 2: the story and you probably see a lot of sleep
Speaker 2: apnea presents, and we know that you can get some
Speaker 2: very serious illness. You can die from sleep apnea. How
Speaker 2: much how many undiagnosed the twenty two million, how many
Speaker 2: of those you think are undiagnosed, like the bulk of them.
Speaker 7: I think it's probably the bulk. So I mean, to
Speaker 7: have the diagnosis, you kind of have to see a doctor,
Speaker 7: have the studies done right right. And some people you know,
Speaker 7: are just getting slapped in the middle of the night
Speaker 7: by their partner in bed, being like you're snoring, when
Speaker 7: it's actually it's something more serious than that, specifically sleep
Speaker 7: apnan or.
Speaker 2: You just go into another bedroom of the couch exactly.
Speaker 2: You can't stand it.
Speaker 7: That's a new thing. It's sleep divorce. Yeah, you've heard
Speaker 7: of this thing. Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so people are starting to do that. But it's not
Speaker 7: like divorcing because of sleep. It's just sleeping in separate areas.
Speaker 7: But that might actually be your clue that maybe there's
Speaker 7: something else going on other than you just can't sleep
Speaker 7: well without the person or you can't stand your partner
Speaker 7: like it would be something worse.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get how much how much of these sleep
Speaker 2: problems that we have in America and it affects most
Speaker 2: all of us. I mean, they say get between eight
Speaker 2: you know, eight hours of sleep? Is that an actual goal?
Speaker 2: Is that a hard fast number? Is it different? For
Speaker 2: different people.
Speaker 7: So it's a pretty solid number. So seven to eight
Speaker 7: hours is what we're shooting for. Something less than seven
Speaker 7: does start adding up. In fact, your performance in general
Speaker 7: kind of decreases over time. So I actually went to
Speaker 7: this TED talk several years ago and the guy said,
Speaker 7: you know, the first four hours of sleep is just
Speaker 7: to restore your body. That's all you're doing. You're repairing
Speaker 7: your body. But the next four hours is where your
Speaker 7: brain regenerates. So like all that emotional stuff that you
Speaker 7: need to face your day, You need to face the
Speaker 7: struggles of your day, the challenges, like that's what you
Speaker 7: get in the next four hours, and you need those
Speaker 7: next four hours, all of it to be your best
Speaker 7: in those emotional situations. So yeah, we can survive, but
Speaker 7: we are not the best versions of ourselves while we're
Speaker 7: just surviving. If we're getting four to six hours of sleep,
Speaker 7: it's ours seven and eight where we really get like
Speaker 7: the maximum benefit.
Speaker 2: Can you make that up in the weekend when some
Speaker 2: people go working really hard and then I mean, you
Speaker 2: know you're an EER doc, So if you were crazy,
Speaker 2: do you sleep for like twelve hours?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Can you?
Speaker 7: That would be a healthy right, But excuse the pun,
Speaker 7: if you could do that like a college. So the
Speaker 7: whole idea of like banking sleep and getting it, there's
Speaker 7: there's a little bit of benefit there, but it's not
Speaker 7: as much as we think. It's the it's the daily
Speaker 7: kind of thing we need to get. And this is
Speaker 7: one of those Yeah, you just nailed it. Like as
Speaker 7: an er doc, my my schedule is crazy. It's days,
Speaker 7: it's nights, it's weekends, it's all over the place. And
Speaker 7: so that's why I hold sleep such in such importance
Speaker 7: in my life because it's it's not good, but it
Speaker 7: is literally the foundation of my well being and everything else.
Speaker 7: It is the number one thing. And you can ask
Speaker 7: my fiance. I'm almost obsessive about my sleep, but I
Speaker 7: need to be because it's thrown off so often that
Speaker 7: I have to do whatever I can to maximize it
Speaker 7: so I can be my best in every.
Speaker 2: Realm in my life. And it's more like a shift
Speaker 2: work because you're you know, you're not, hey, I'm not
Speaker 2: a nine to five er doc. No, it's where they
Speaker 2: need you in different times and for twelve hours at
Speaker 2: a time, right, or maybe longer in some cases. But
Speaker 2: that's true for a lot of people who work second
Speaker 2: third shift. They wrote a cops do that, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and and it affects you over time. A lot
Speaker 7: of people love working nights for for good reason. It's
Speaker 7: usually a cooler vibe, right, But turning around or sleeping
Speaker 7: during the day, it's just not what our bodies were
Speaker 7: built to do. And over time that us I mean,
Speaker 7: there's studies out there that you know, if you're if
Speaker 7: you're a night shift worker, you literally die earlier than
Speaker 7: people who work dacious, right. And I've known this my
Speaker 7: entire career, and I'm just like, oh, I just accept it,
Speaker 7: and now I'm doing what I can to like die
Speaker 7: a little later, I guess.
Speaker 2: But it's yeah, well you know what I mean. Look,
Speaker 2: we're going to have a time a year now, son
Speaker 2: Jay where you don't see the sun. And if you
Speaker 2: work thirds, like I did that for a while, you
Speaker 2: literally you don't see the sun at all. Ever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we know that has a big, big effect on
Speaker 2: the sleep cycles or Katie rhythms exactly, so like when
Speaker 2: when you wake up.
Speaker 7: So the whole thing is people oftentimes say, watch your
Speaker 7: blue light at night before you go to bed, and
Speaker 7: that's a that's a whole thing, or being exposed to
Speaker 7: light in the last couple hours before you go to bed,
Speaker 7: but they're actually finding Also the morning time daylight is
Speaker 7: really important, so like within an hour, getting ten to
Speaker 7: fifteen minutes of light exposure in that hour. But if
Speaker 7: it's dark outside, if you got one of the Cincinnati winters,
Speaker 7: you're not going to see this the sun necessarily if
Speaker 7: you're sleeping all day. And so it does affect the
Speaker 7: night shift workers over time. And it initially you may
Speaker 7: not feel it, or if you're young, but as we
Speaker 7: get older, it really starts adding up.
Speaker 2: What about one of those happy lights. I've got one
Speaker 2: of those. I don't in the winter. Sometimes I'll plug
Speaker 2: it in at my desk or whatever and it throws
Speaker 2: out simulates the sun. Does that work? Does that do anything?
Speaker 2: It's something, It does a little something.
Speaker 7: It's not as great as being out in nature being
Speaker 7: exposed to the to the elements, but at the same time,
Speaker 7: you'd be exposing yourself to the elements. And so it's
Speaker 7: like fifteen degrees outside. Hell yeah, go right, go hit
Speaker 7: the light.
Speaker 2: Why do we do this? I mean you just hit
Speaker 2: on two things. You want that sunlight, that natural sunlight,
Speaker 2: early in the morning. Why not make an alarm clock
Speaker 2: that has a light hooked up to it and it
Speaker 2: gradually comes on and lights up the room? What about that?
Speaker 2: It's got your.
Speaker 7: Billion dollar idea has already been invented over and over again.
Speaker 2: But but I had something again. But no, it exists.
Speaker 7: I forget the brand names for it, but they definitely exist,
Speaker 7: and they slowly come on, slowly, Wake up. I'll tell you,
Speaker 7: the smallest shred of light will have me up and
Speaker 7: eyes open. So like, it's not great for me, but
Speaker 7: it works.
Speaker 2: For some people. Sanjay Shave of Krimani's on the show.
Speaker 2: He's in our physician at doctor Sanjay Sincy and an
Speaker 2: expert in fitness and food and health and fit. We're
Speaker 2: talking about sleep this morning, which is a big deal.
Speaker 2: Most of us don't get the necessary seven to eight
Speaker 2: hours if you're getting sad. I'm like a seven guy myself,
Speaker 2: so I think I'm okay. But I noticed too, the
Speaker 2: older you get, you wake up in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night and you're up for like two or three
Speaker 2: hour feels like you're up for hours? Right, yeah, what
Speaker 2: is that? Why is that happen?
Speaker 7: So the brain starts getting I mean, you're just getting old, Sloan,
Speaker 7: that's what it is. So your your brain starts.
Speaker 2: Telling me about it because I'm limping around the studio
Speaker 2: just getting off crutches. Yeah, no, kitten, thanks, you and
Speaker 2: me both are broken ankle shop jel. It's fine.
Speaker 7: But overtime, so when we're young, our brain knows what
Speaker 7: to do, and over time our brain kind of forgets
Speaker 7: what to do and how to sync with the cycle
Speaker 7: of life. That's what That's what the current thought is.
Speaker 7: So as we get older, our brain's like, oh, it's
Speaker 7: the middle of the night, maybe I'm supposed to be
Speaker 7: awake right now, as opposed to our younger brain that
Speaker 7: is smarter. So yeah, we're just getting dark. It's dumb,
Speaker 7: and here we are.
Speaker 2: I thought it was something to it, like I'm so
Speaker 2: efficient at sleep. I only need four or five hours
Speaker 2: and I wake up and I awake for two or three.
Speaker 2: But I remember seeing something sign Jay years ago, a
Speaker 2: fascinating story about the history of sleep and how screwed
Speaker 2: up we got when electricity came on and you know,
Speaker 2: candle light things like because it used to be hey,
Speaker 2: you and some goes down the fire go to bed
Speaker 2: at five o'clock and then get up in the but
Speaker 2: people would sleep for four hours, get up, they'd make babies,
Speaker 2: they get the stuff ready to eat the next day,
Speaker 2: get some firewood going, and then they go to bed.
Speaker 2: They'd be up for a few hours and then go
Speaker 2: to bed for So because human history is a relatively
Speaker 2: small sliver of our existence, so modern history we're talking
Speaker 2: about here, we're like genetically wired to wake up in
Speaker 2: the middle of night some to some degree somewhat.
Speaker 7: I mean, we don't have a lot of evidence of
Speaker 7: all of that stuff, but I'll tell you that. Like,
Speaker 7: what we've also found is different cultures need different amount
Speaker 7: of sleep. So like we say we need seven eight
Speaker 7: hours as humans, but it's actually kind of an American state.
Speaker 7: I don't know what other countries there are, but some
Speaker 7: countries actually require less sleep and you're okay, you're actually
Speaker 7: thriving at six. So it's kind of weird. So maybe
Speaker 7: that was a different culture back then too, where you
Speaker 7: needed less sleep or needed to sleep in the middle
Speaker 7: of the day. But you know, like European culture with
Speaker 7: the siesta and everything that also works for them, And
Speaker 7: so it depends. But the kind of cumulative amount you
Speaker 7: need is seven or eight in today's world for the
Speaker 7: most part, now that we're all becoming semi one culture
Speaker 7: because we're all plugged into the same stuff, right right.
Speaker 2: Okay, now that makes a lot of sense. So we're
Speaker 2: also told, hey, you know you need a ten thousand
Speaker 2: dollars mattress that cools and heats you unless you up
Speaker 2: and down all that stuff to get the best nice
Speaker 2: sleep in your life? Is that just marketing? Is are
Speaker 2: some truth in that? There's definitely truth to it.
Speaker 7: I think you know, you got mattresses, you got supplements,
Speaker 7: you got all the other things out there. Mattress is important.
Speaker 7: I mean I definitely invested in a good mattress and
Speaker 7: a good pillow. But there's other things you can do,
Speaker 7: and specifically, you know temperature of your room, which a
Speaker 7: lot of people don't key in on. It's the light
Speaker 7: that we just talked about. And then it's consistency of
Speaker 7: sleep schedule, which coming from me, I mean, do as
Speaker 7: I say, not as I do on that one, because
Speaker 7: I literally can't. But the the mattress quality is important.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're if you're sleeping on a bed
Speaker 7: of rocks and that's something new to you, it's not
Speaker 7: gonna it's not gonna turn out well.
Speaker 2: If you toss and turn son, Jay, is that indicating
Speaker 2: indicating you a bad night's sleep or is it just
Speaker 2: your toster return Because I'm a tosser turn So.
Speaker 7: Are you a tosser and turner all night or is
Speaker 7: it a tosser and turner intermittently?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I'm sleeping. Yeah, what I know,
Speaker 2: you're the doctor.
Speaker 4: Tell me.
Speaker 2: I asked a really good questions. Yeah, you definitely, you're
Speaker 2: flipping all over the place.
Speaker 7: So, so you know, our body goes through the cycles
Speaker 7: of sleep, and you know, we're light sleep, then we're
Speaker 7: deep sleep, and then there's the REM cycle where our
Speaker 7: brain goes a little wild. That's when our dreams happen.
Speaker 7: And as we go on further in the night, typically
Speaker 7: if we're if we're healthy, we'll have more and more
Speaker 7: REM cycles as the night goes on. And so it's
Speaker 7: not atypical for you to be tossing and turning, especially
Speaker 7: like between if you're sleeping from eleven to seven, from
Speaker 7: three to seven, you're probably going to be tossing more
Speaker 7: because you might toss more with your dreams because your
Speaker 7: brain's a little restless and doing all the rem things
Speaker 7: that it needs to do and having all the dreams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems I wake up, it'll be like a
Speaker 2: solid four hours and you wake up and then you
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom or whatever. And that's the other
Speaker 2: thing too, is you get older, you tend to go
Speaker 2: to the bathroom more.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's all you know, you and I, I
Speaker 7: mean for the whole my part where we're definitely the
Speaker 7: four hour wake up guys now and it doesn't matter
Speaker 7: what I do.
Speaker 2: And and now are their ankle bros. You know, with
Speaker 2: with those injuries.
Speaker 7: I have a little more swelling in my ankle now
Speaker 7: than I used to. And so that just that's what
Speaker 7: goes in the middle of the night, wake up and
Speaker 7: go should you just get up?
Speaker 2: And if it's like, Okay, I'm wide awake, I feel good,
Speaker 2: should I just go up and do something and then
Speaker 2: come back to bed later. So it's a great point.
Speaker 7: You makes a long So a lot of people are like, oh,
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna stay in bed, I'm gonna I'm gonna sleep,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna sleep, I'm gonna sleep, I'm gonna get back
Speaker 7: to sleep. But one of the best things you can
Speaker 7: do sometimes is get up and move around and change
Speaker 7: your environment just for a little bit and come back
Speaker 7: to bed. You don't want to necessarily like play a
Speaker 7: video game or look at a screen or maybe even
Speaker 7: even look at an e reader. You just kind of
Speaker 7: want to move your environment a little bit. Don't eat,
Speaker 7: don't drink anything, but just move a little bit, come
Speaker 7: back to bed and try again as opposed to just
Speaker 7: willing it to be just lying in bed, because when
Speaker 7: we force something like that, it just never turns out good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a sign shave a Karani's on his e our physician,
Speaker 2: and we're talking about health and fitness and well and sleep.
Speaker 2: It's it is a big thing. Especially we're going to
Speaker 2: have the time change here in a little bit. That
Speaker 2: always screws people up. Yep, you know, our gain, our
Speaker 2: lost whatever. But at the end of the day, your
Speaker 2: body still has to adjust to these whole things. And
Speaker 2: you may be getting up in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night and you're tossing and turning. What does that mean
Speaker 2: to I need a better mattress? Is the room comfortable?
Speaker 2: These things? And I'll come full circle on this because
Speaker 2: we're talking about how social media pollutes the brain, and
Speaker 2: they tested with AI and it it's making AI dumber.
Speaker 2: If they feeded a steady dye a clickbait, what does
Speaker 2: that say about me and you? I think that's the
Speaker 2: other thing is do most people who is you know,
Speaker 2: we talked about sleep ATNEAN. We've talked about other reasons
Speaker 2: why people don't get a good night's sleep. But how
Speaker 2: much of this is by you know, just life baggage?
Speaker 2: You know, we're consuming news, we're online and reading all
Speaker 2: this stuff, and then you wake up and you start
Speaker 2: thinking about it, and then you have this fear and
Speaker 2: you start getting the cycle, this mental cycle, and now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, that's where the I always say,
Speaker 2: you know, nighttime, that's when the demons come out in
Speaker 2: your head when it's quiet and you start thinking fatalist
Speaker 2: things and horrible things. And how do you break that cycle?
Speaker 2: And how much does that contribute to what we're talking about?
Speaker 7: It is a great question because the two things that
Speaker 7: we're keying in on here is one the use of
Speaker 7: the phone in general. So you have blue light, you know,
Speaker 7: shooting into your eyeballs and it's waking up your brain
Speaker 7: while you're using it. And so we really want to
Speaker 7: turn that off literally at least one hour before bed
Speaker 7: with any like any device, tablets, phones, et cetera, to
Speaker 7: allow our brains to rest a little bit. And then
Speaker 7: you have the issue of well, the content of that
Speaker 7: and what it's doing to you and adding to your
Speaker 7: stress and anxiety, especially taking in world events, et cetera,
Speaker 7: but maybe even your own personal stuff. Right, your brain's
Speaker 7: just going and it is hard to calm down. And
Speaker 7: a lot of people say, you know, I got to
Speaker 7: read before I go to bed, or I got to
Speaker 7: get my news in before I go to bed, and
Speaker 7: it's actually working for me. You've probably conditioned your brain,
Speaker 7: like watching TV before bed, which a lot of people do.
Speaker 7: My best friend falls asleep watching TV every night. You
Speaker 7: probably condition your brain to say, oh, that's the TV.
Speaker 7: I'm going to go to sleep now, okay, right, but
Speaker 7: you're not going to get good sleep, so your brain's
Speaker 7: going to be kind of still going with all of
Speaker 7: that stuff, still processing it, and then you know, you'll
Speaker 7: have one of those middle of the night wake ups,
Speaker 7: like you're talking about, everything's quiet, and that's the time
Speaker 7: when your brain shows up and has a party, and
Speaker 7: so it's really hard to fall asleep when there's stuff,
Speaker 7: you know, when you're taking in stuff right before you.
Speaker 4: Go to bed.
Speaker 2: You should tell my wife this because she'll sit there
Speaker 2: and scroll TikTok for like an hour, yeah, and then
Speaker 2: go put it down, and she's sleeping in thirty seconds
Speaker 2: and sleeps with straight eight hours.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's superhumans among us. They're superhumans out there,
Speaker 7: and I am definitely not one of them.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't. I get my iPad. But I'm
Speaker 2: reading a book, yeah, you know, and something that's like history,
Speaker 2: or I'm reading a book about George Remis from Cincinnati
Speaker 2: here of all things, and yeah, it takes you know,
Speaker 2: for me, I read like a half a chapter and
Speaker 2: fall asleep. So I try to find boring topics and
Speaker 2: things like that and not to get all worked up
Speaker 2: and just you know falls. There's two ways as far
Speaker 2: as content goes.
Speaker 7: So my fiance was reading this boring book and literally
Speaker 7: she read two lines every night and she out and
Speaker 7: it was, you know, it was this like really scientific book.
Speaker 3: And she.
Speaker 2: Works.
Speaker 7: But I prefer actually reading fiction on a on like
Speaker 7: a Kindle e reader, so you get a little less
Speaker 7: blue light coming out, but there's still some lights are
Speaker 7: out and I read fiction because it just sends me
Speaker 7: into like fantasy world and I'm in a dream zone.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 7: Some people will say that e readers do admit the
Speaker 7: well they do. They emit some light, so you're kind
Speaker 7: of affecting yourself a little bit. So, but you know
Speaker 7: what's the other way you're going to do it is
Speaker 7: have a light above your head right, and that's hitting
Speaker 7: their book and now it's hitting your eyebo.
Speaker 2: The dark background with the light white light right is
Speaker 2: exactly that's mode or whatever.
Speaker 7: You definitely want nightmode if you're using like one of
Speaker 7: those fancy tablets e readers as opposed to like the kindle.
Speaker 2: You know, where are you on melatonin? I So I
Speaker 2: think we're using too much melotone?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 7: So the effective dose is like this zero point three
Speaker 7: to zero point five literally, and people are dropping like
Speaker 7: twenty milligrams a night, and you know it's okay. There
Speaker 7: you get to a plateau point where it's just not
Speaker 7: as effective. So what melatonin does for us is it
Speaker 7: says it's nighttime, and that's all it does. It doesn't
Speaker 7: say I'm going to keep you asleep or anything like that.
Speaker 7: It just sets your clock and says it's nighttime great
Speaker 7: for like if you've been working nights or if your
Speaker 7: sleep's been off a little bit, just to use sparingly
Speaker 7: every now and then. Now I use melotone in kind
Speaker 7: of a combination with a couple other things a couple
Speaker 7: of times, maybe one or two times a week, but
Speaker 7: it's usually when I'm flipping or I haven't had a
Speaker 7: good sleep and my body's just thrown off for a wheit.
Speaker 4: It's fine.
Speaker 2: I'm more frequent than that. I probably should back it up,
Speaker 2: but I but again, I've noticed so I take like
Speaker 2: it's like a three milligram cheble that was too much
Speaker 2: for me. I would I like take a third of that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And where'd you feel it was too much? What time
Speaker 2: of the day? Like I don't know, Like I didn't
Speaker 2: want to wake up, Like I don't feel rested, Like
Speaker 2: maybe it's too much of this stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I so I've about it twelve hour period that I
Speaker 7: have to give myself where I'm going to be awake again, Yeah,
Speaker 7: because I'm going to be groggy as hell if I
Speaker 7: take something even one and a half milligrams, I'm going
Speaker 7: to be groggy afterwards. So you kind of want to
Speaker 7: take it a little bit earlier. Now the packaging will
Speaker 7: say twenty to thirty minutes before you sleep. I give
Speaker 7: myself a little more time if I'm only going to
Speaker 7: be sleeping eight hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now you really want to sleep, you know
Speaker 2: some some NIGHTQ will four or five of those Talon
Speaker 2: al pms and a half a like a fifth of
Speaker 2: jim Beam and you're good. You sleep like not doctor baby,
Speaker 2: like a baby. That's just all right, Doctor Sanjay. He's
Speaker 2: our physician health food fitness at doctor Sanjay Sinci with
Speaker 2: why two wives and there and thanks for coming to
Speaker 2: this far. It's great to talk to you. I the
Speaker 2: I love the intersection of medicine and health and just
Speaker 2: common sense kind of stuff there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I appreciate the time, Sloan. It's just it is
Speaker 7: all one to me, and it all kind of feeds
Speaker 7: into each other back and forth. You know, having a
Speaker 7: better life while you're awake will make you sleep better
Speaker 7: U versus. Yeah, so it's all health to me.
Speaker 2: All right. Good, So weether that's on the regular I
Speaker 2: think anyway, Doctor Sanjay, thanks you again. We got to
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Speaker 1: You don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: I'm flowing in with you this morning out seven hundred WWT.
Speaker 2: Somebody asked the question, I don't know who it was.
Speaker 2: Why is the price of hospital services gone up two
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty percent? I said, two hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: percent since two thousand and that is roughly what four
Speaker 2: times faster than inflation.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: There's a group called Hospital Facts at Org. They launched
Speaker 2: an initiative to figure out why. And they think it's waste,
Speaker 2: its fraud, its abuse at at hospital. Jerry Rogers is here.
Speaker 2: Jerry's with a Real Clear Health, part of the Real
Speaker 2: Clear system. Jerry, welcome to the show. How are you.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm blessed, I'm good. You know it's it's not
Speaker 4: just waste, fraud and abuse with the hospitals. It's it's
Speaker 4: bad policy, it's bad business, it's bad health, it's bad science.
Speaker 4: Because hospitals aren't part of the discussion in terms of
Speaker 4: the healthcare system, we hear much about big, big band pharmo.
Speaker 4: We hear about the insurance companies and all the rest
Speaker 4: of it, but the hospital costs are breaking the budget.
Speaker 4: Americans spend well over a trillion dollars on hospital costs.
Speaker 4: And the reasons besides the fact that no one ever
Speaker 4: discusses them in terms of Medicaid cuts, the healthcare systems
Speaker 4: and all the rest. But it's also because of hospital consolidation,
Speaker 4: because there's no transparency in pricing, the list of pricing
Speaker 4: when you go imagine going to the grocery store and
Speaker 4: nothing at no price is listed. This is what we
Speaker 4: have in our hospital system. And of course also you know,
Speaker 4: we have this it's called site neutral payment reform, which
Speaker 4: would fix the fact that if you go to a
Speaker 4: hospital for a Medicare procedure, get a shot, whatever it
Speaker 4: might be, it costs more in the hospital than it
Speaker 4: does the doctor's office because hospitals are fee for service,
Speaker 4: so it's in their best economic interest to uh just
Speaker 4: make the charges skyrocket for individual tests and therapies.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good point because in the past
Speaker 2: I've talked about, you know, pharmaceutical companies, which certainly deserve
Speaker 2: to get their investment back in R and D, and
Speaker 2: I have you know, I look at big pharma pharmaceutical companies, go,
Speaker 2: I get how the model is because they invest in
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of stuff ahead of before they can
Speaker 2: start to take a profit off, and not not every
Speaker 2: drug is profitable.
Speaker 4: I understand that three billion dollars. It's three billion dollars.
Speaker 4: Everyone thinks about the blockbuster, blockbuster buster, blockbuster drugs. But
Speaker 4: the fact of the matter is is that most big
Speaker 4: medicines fail. And so you know, and it's a it's
Speaker 4: a it's a fracture of the healthcare dollars. The major
Speaker 4: costs in our healthcare system are hospitals, not medicines. Medicines
Speaker 4: keep us out of the hospital.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. The pharmacy benefit manager's got an
Speaker 2: issue with them and insurance companies, but no one really
Speaker 2: talks about, as you mentioned though, the hospitals themselves. When
Speaker 2: you talk about hospital services, is that beyond or including
Speaker 2: the actual physical treatment you get from a practitioner.
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing in terms of I mean, yes,
Speaker 4: so God forbid, you have to be in the hospital,
Speaker 4: and once you're there, they want to load you up
Speaker 4: with various tests, whether you need them or not. Now, listen,
Speaker 4: if there was a menu of prices, Hey sir, ma'am,
Speaker 4: you're in the hospital, we might as well check for this. Okay,
Speaker 4: what does it cost? No one can answer that question.
Speaker 4: The technicians, the nurses, and there's practitions, the doctors, the
Speaker 4: folks coming in and out. Even the business the business
Speaker 4: associates of hospitals that you know, have you sign the paperwork,
Speaker 4: can't tell you what things cost. So I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that tests or therapies or items of the hospital does
Speaker 4: for you while you're there are bad. No, but we
Speaker 4: don't know what they cost. And again, we could fix this.
Speaker 4: Yet Washington is very good at not fixing problems. They complain,
Speaker 4: they cry, they whine, But this is a pretty easy fix.
Speaker 4: And you know, again, demand and enforce price transparency. In
Speaker 4: other words, when I'm at the hospital, I know what
Speaker 4: things cost. Second is we should allow for a senior specifically,
Speaker 4: or any patient to go to their doctor's office for
Speaker 4: certain tests or interventions because it costs less. So this
Speaker 4: is why you see the hospital consolidation because they want
Speaker 4: to charge more. Medicare ironically will charge more or allow
Speaker 4: for a higher payment for a test done in the hospital.
Speaker 4: So our hospital is doing They're going around and they
Speaker 4: are buying up medical practices. So therefore, when you go
Speaker 4: to your doctor, you're really at the hospital and you're
Speaker 4: paying the hospital as a network.
Speaker 2: So you see all these physicians groups that pop up
Speaker 2: and it's by ex hospital. Well, that's exactly why it's
Speaker 2: because it's more money for them and consolidation all that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it leads to better health outcomes,
Speaker 2: but based on the metrics that we have now, Jerry Rodgers,
Speaker 2: the answer would be no, we're getting sicker despite spending
Speaker 2: more and more on healthcare costs in the United States
Speaker 2: of America, and on that too. Could I just back
Speaker 2: up a second, go all right, at first plus you
Speaker 2: go on, okay, to what two hundred and twenty percent
Speaker 2: cost increase is two thousand for healthcare or I guess
Speaker 2: hospital services anyway goes up to two hundred and twenty percent,
Speaker 2: four times faster than inflash, right. Could I blame that
Speaker 2: on COVID and then the increased labor costs in the
Speaker 2: shrinking job market, so you've got to pay labor more
Speaker 2: to get people. And then of course baby boomers getting
Speaker 2: old or ancient in some cases. Doesn't that all add
Speaker 2: up to?
Speaker 4: So why well, yes and no, right, COVID put a
Speaker 4: strain on the system, but again because you made bad
Speaker 4: political choices in it. During COVID, we actually drove medical
Speaker 4: practices into bankruptcy. During COVID, we closed them down. We
Speaker 4: made it more difficult for nurses and physicians and technicians
Speaker 4: to serve during COVID because we had vaccine mandates. During COVID,
Speaker 4: When we followed the science, things went well. When we
Speaker 4: followed the politics, everything went sideways. And so, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 4: there's after effects of COVID, but those were political choices,
Speaker 4: not not health choices. Number one. But remember this too.
Speaker 4: We have a shrinking position base because it's more it's
Speaker 4: impossible to become a doctor in this country, the costs,
Speaker 4: the liability, and also we're importing jobs for physicians and
Speaker 4: nurses when we should be looking for homegrown talent. We're
Speaker 4: not doing that. But here's here's the kicker though. It's
Speaker 4: not just where we have too few doctors or nurses.
Speaker 4: The fact is that we have too many administrators, too
Speaker 4: many executives. I'll give you an example. The Cleveland Clinic
Speaker 4: pays a million nonprofit hospital. But Cleveland Clinic pays a
Speaker 4: million dollars piece to twenty two executives. In the same system,
Speaker 4: the Cleveland Clinic, thirty individuals, executives, administrators get five hundred
Speaker 4: thousand dollars a piece. These are huge salaries. This is
Speaker 4: not money going to your health, not money going to doctors.
Speaker 4: Are more nurses, money going to essentially pencil pushers. And
Speaker 4: that's part of the problem too.
Speaker 2: Jerry Rogers here from real clear health and cost of
Speaker 2: hospital services has gone up two hundred and twenty percent
Speaker 2: since two thousand, about four times Fastian inflation. And it's
Speaker 2: fair to look at that and go why when it's
Speaker 2: put in the context of well pharmaceutical companies gouging us
Speaker 2: with pharmacy benefit managers insurance costs. But the hospitals themselves
Speaker 2: are making some money here. Yet at the same time, though,
Speaker 2: and here's the paradox, we have so many rural and
Speaker 2: other hospitals closing right now. How do we explain that.
Speaker 4: Well, again, it's because of three P forty B. You
Speaker 4: mentioned PBM, So three forty B pricing is a mechanism
Speaker 4: for rural areas, rural hospitals, they very poor the folks
Speaker 4: who need care. There's a rebate or a discount that
Speaker 4: hospitals are given. But what's happening instead is because of consolidation,
Speaker 4: hospital systems are purchasing rural hospitals. They're getting the three
Speaker 4: point forty B benefit, and they're not using it to
Speaker 4: service the poor or the rural community. Rather, they're using
Speaker 4: it to attract other consumers. Not you know, they look
Speaker 4: at patients as consumers. And what's happening because the very
Speaker 4: poor communities aren't being served, the facilities aren't being served,
Speaker 4: the facilities closed. So you and you mentioned PVMs, the
Speaker 4: pharmacy benefit benefit managers, so your listeners understand these are
Speaker 4: middlemen who are profits servens who literally take profits I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: who take rebas and discounts away from patients and they
Speaker 4: keep them in pocket them themselves. Again, maybe thirty years
Speaker 4: ago we needed the PBM system, I have no idea.
Speaker 4: We certainly don't need it today. But part of the
Speaker 4: reason why rural hospitals are closing and seeing a massive
Speaker 4: problems is because of these middle men, because of three
Speaker 4: forty B abusion of the three forty B program, and
Speaker 4: there's lots of reasons and again these are all physical
Speaker 4: right now before Congress, there are reforms for both three
Speaker 4: forty B and the PBM crisis. Let's see what Congress does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we elect these clowns. Why why
Speaker 2: are we We're sending them there? And they wind up
Speaker 2: doing this to us and then they scream like their
Speaker 2: hairs on fire. It seems like, you know, we got
Speaker 2: a rial. We did a new bunch of elected officials.
Speaker 4: It sounds like Jerry again. I know, throw throw, throw
Speaker 4: them out. But there are The problem again is is that, well,
Speaker 4: we need to fix the whole system.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I'm old enough to remember when Uke Dindrich became Speaker
Speaker 4: of the House and he said, look, we're not going
Speaker 4: to reform everything all at once. We have to get
Speaker 4: to hold over bread. Let's get to slice here, sliced there.
Speaker 4: And I think the same is true on healthcare costs,
Speaker 4: on hospital costs, and that as we can do, we
Speaker 4: can do. We can do slices of reform. For instance,
Speaker 4: price transparency. Have hospitals, uh lift and be transparent about
Speaker 4: their prices. How thought we heard that?
Speaker 2: Didn't we didn't? Didn't they say, oh, yeah, we've got choice. Well,
Speaker 2: we enacted a law and a role that we don't.
Speaker 4: Enforce, thank you very much. And imagine if we enforce
Speaker 4: the reforms already. But that's a choice, right, I mean, accountability, responsibility,
Speaker 4: These are choices, and perhaps the laws doesn't have the
Speaker 4: proper teeth or there is enough conversation about it. Look
Speaker 4: how many people today waking up. There's so much going
Speaker 4: on in the world, you know this, right, the world's
Speaker 4: on fire. And so we don't care about hospital costs
Speaker 4: or even healthcare costs until we have the word of
Speaker 4: a doctor, and so it's not a sustained conversation. This
Speaker 4: is the problem with the twenty first of a news cycle.
Speaker 4: We're always going to the next bit, oh, to the
Speaker 4: next big news story, and the problems that impacts us
Speaker 4: every single day we forget about until it becomes an
Speaker 4: urgent matter. So we need to focus on the importance.
Speaker 4: So the importance never becomes the urgent. Once it's urgent,
Speaker 4: then it's like, oh my goodness, what do we do?
Speaker 4: And we quit and we and we just stopped talking
Speaker 4: about it, and we just we just you know what,
Speaker 4: I'll just pay the pay the bill. Well, it shouldn't
Speaker 4: have to be that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can only remember three things at a time,
Speaker 2: maybe two as we get older, and one if you're lucky.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: It might change to half a thing.
Speaker 8: I know that.
Speaker 4: I joke with my kids, you know, what's the diet?
Speaker 4: What's the diet sandwich? That half of.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: I can remember half a thing. But you know what
Speaker 4: I do think we have to have a focused, sustained
Speaker 4: conversation here. And it looks a lot of healthcare reforms
Speaker 4: happening on a state level, and so folks and your
Speaker 4: your listeners should be talking to their state legislators because
Speaker 4: you put pressure on them to have reforms in the states. Remember, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, federalism, states can do things that proved to
Speaker 4: be a model for what Washington count do. I would
Speaker 4: encourage your listeners to go out and contact your state legislators,
Speaker 4: get involved in whether it's healthcare issues or or or
Speaker 4: if it's policing, or it's criminal justice or whatever it
Speaker 4: might be. Go and pressure your state legislators to do
Speaker 4: the right thing. Because I used to work for a
Speaker 4: state rep in New Jersey years ago, and I'm telling you,
Speaker 4: every single day, dozens of constituents would drop in and
Speaker 4: we listened to them we had to. They were they were,
Speaker 4: they were present, and these were good conversations that moved
Speaker 4: my boss to do things in the state capitol so
Speaker 4: there we could get good outcomes. You know people. An
Speaker 4: old friend of mine and my mentor at the Competive Enterprises,
Speaker 4: Tod frend Smith, used to say that people in politics
Speaker 4: are stupid because they're smart. In other words, they're paying
Speaker 4: attention to they're paying attention to the to the things
Speaker 4: that matter most of them, Uh, their tuitions, their their kids,
Speaker 4: baseball practice, you know, putting dinner on the table. Uh,
Speaker 4: And they don't think about the larger political things until
Speaker 4: unfortunately it's too late. I would again encourage folks to
Speaker 4: pay attention to these political things. But it does matter
Speaker 4: to your personal life, It really does.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. It's not the party politics. And
Speaker 2: I've got to be on one side or the other.
Speaker 2: And even if my guy or girl does something stupid,
Speaker 2: I can never call them out. No, we were supposed
Speaker 2: to do that. We've got to distrust government more, especially
Speaker 2: at the more federal levels of that. And on that
Speaker 2: point to you know, you brought something earlier, Jerry, about
Speaker 2: hospitals or hospitalists anyway or doctors and ordering all these
Speaker 2: tests and driving the cost. But that's also part of
Speaker 2: the problem, right, It's because you have hospital administrators, you
Speaker 2: have lawyers that they have that they're afraid of. You
Speaker 2: had the federal and state governments all looking over your
Speaker 2: shoulder before you even treat a patient, and so why
Speaker 2: wouldn't you order a whole bunch of tests it may
Speaker 2: or may not be needed, simply to cover your own ass.
Speaker 4: Exactly right. And what makes that problem worse, if that's possible,
Speaker 4: is that insurance companies pay a fee for service. So
Speaker 4: there there is a liability, legal, regulatory pressure to test
Speaker 4: test tests, but there's also a stantial incentive to test
Speaker 4: test test But here's the thing. You know, you know,
Speaker 4: informed voters make good choices. Informed patients can make good choices.
Speaker 4: So you know, if I understood, you're giving me this pill,
Speaker 4: you're giving me this shot, you want to do an
Speaker 4: echo cardiogram even though I'm even though I'm here for
Speaker 4: my foot, Explain to me the cost, because maybe if
Speaker 4: the cost is right, I might get the echo cardiogram
Speaker 4: because I won't be back at the hospital anytime soon.
Speaker 4: So there's a problem to figure it out. Well, you
Speaker 4: can't give the consumer the patient, uh, the menu with
Speaker 4: the price. Again, imagine going to a restaurant and sitting
Speaker 4: down to eat dinner with your family and the waiter says,
Speaker 4: what do you want? But there's no prices to the
Speaker 4: to the menu items. I'd walk out of that restaurant.
Speaker 4: But with hospitals, unfortunately, because we're sick, we're almost captured.
Speaker 2: I was in a hot I had a help you
Speaker 2: break your leg, or you have cancer and aggressive what
Speaker 2: do you know? You shop around? You could take six
Speaker 2: months to get the best price going on price line
Speaker 2: or you know consumer reports. What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: But that's again an excellent, excellent point. But the thing is,
Speaker 4: once hospitals uh are held accountable for prices and this
Speaker 4: price transparency. You're right, when I'm sick in the emergency room,
Speaker 4: I can't shop around. But if the but if the
Speaker 4: ethos is created, the hospitals are posting, then when I
Speaker 4: when I do go in for something, elected when I
Speaker 4: do go, uh, bring my you know my kid needs
Speaker 4: stitches and there are three hospitals within driving distance, I
Speaker 4: can then make choices and that will uh uh discipline
Speaker 4: the entire system because competition will be introduced. Imagine price
Speaker 4: competition again. I get it, emergency rooms, but even emerging
Speaker 4: room cost prices will come down if hospitals are forced
Speaker 4: to compete on prices.
Speaker 2: Makes sense. He's Jerry Rogers. Jerry is with real clear
Speaker 2: health and talking about why hospital services, just hospital calls
Speaker 2: have gone up over two hundred and twenty percent in
Speaker 2: the last twenty twenty five years, four times faster than inflation.
Speaker 2: We talk about pharmacy benefit managers of big farm insurance companies,
Speaker 2: but we got a factor of this and as well. Jerry,
Speaker 2: all the best, Thanks for jumping in. Appreciate it all right, bye,
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Speaker 2: Change, change, change, But that dog is not to be deterred. No,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to go.
Speaker 10: They have the bring your dog to work. How much
Speaker 10: work actually gets done? Actually, everybody do a lot of work.
Speaker 8: Well in bandit if the garbage cans aren't put on desks,
Speaker 8: he's going to rummage through them to find it, to
Speaker 8: see if there's any crumb available.
Speaker 2: Got you, because he's a wee fat bastard.
Speaker 5: He's a good boy. Have we started? Are we on
Speaker 5: the air?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just sitting here waiting for you to get
Speaker 2: your act together. You got dogs? You got I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on over there, but live radio.
Speaker 4: So yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My wife Michelle Sloan, in case you haven't notice, is
Speaker 2: here with with Bandit, who, by the way, is our
Speaker 2: our lovely dog. That is a distraction. Nonetheless, what are
Speaker 2: we talking about besides dogs, dog dog problems?
Speaker 8: Well, we're talking about changes in the weather. You know,
Speaker 8: something happened last night when you were snoring?
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what it was? You were snoring louder?
Speaker 5: No, okay, no, the heat turned on.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what.
Speaker 2: I woke up, so yeah, we knew her house. So
Speaker 2: I woke up and I smelt something burning, Like immediately
Speaker 2: your radar goes off, like oh, and then my you know, my,
Speaker 2: my construction brain kicked and went. But the heat kicked on.
Speaker 2: It's the dust gets on the essentially the dust of
Speaker 2: collects in yeah yeah, yeah, on the heat exchanger, and
Speaker 2: once it kicks on for the season, it burns off.
Speaker 2: So what you're smelling is basically just dead skin and
Speaker 2: dust mites and all that nasty stuff, and it burns up.
Speaker 2: So you're smelling that. But in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night when it kicks on, you're like, crap, what I'm
Speaker 2: waiting for the smoke detectors to go off and you know,
Speaker 2: I was on alert for a second and I realized, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's kicking on because fast warning, and I went back
Speaker 2: to sleep.
Speaker 5: Oh I know, I can't believe.
Speaker 8: So this was that was the first heat turned on
Speaker 8: because you had it on, you had the you had
Speaker 8: our thermostat set to both.
Speaker 5: Cool and heat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turned out on auto. This time of year,
Speaker 2: you never know in Cincinnati what you're going to get.
Speaker 8: Right, So that way, if it gets above a certain temperature,
Speaker 8: the air will come on. If it gets below a
Speaker 8: certain temperature, the heat will come on. So we don't
Speaker 8: know what it will be from hour to hour. We
Speaker 8: could have heat overnight.
Speaker 2: In the exactly I don't know. You don't know because
Speaker 2: it's Cincinnati. I will say this now this time of year,
Speaker 2: you don't have to do this, but I like to
Speaker 2: set the fan on on in the winter to kind
Speaker 2: of bounced out because you have some cold spots maybe
Speaker 2: and it'll you know, circulate the heat a little bit
Speaker 2: better throughout the whole house.
Speaker 5: Okay, so on you like that?
Speaker 6: On?
Speaker 2: Who doesn't like it on on? But you know, I
Speaker 2: mean you could set it on auto. I suppose to
Speaker 2: if you want. It depends on you know how old
Speaker 2: your windows are, how draft your walls are. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of considerations exactly.
Speaker 8: And now's also a good time if you want to
Speaker 8: get a new thermostat. Honestly, sometimes if the thermostat isn't working.
Speaker 8: We've noticed this with our rentals and that sort of thing.
Speaker 8: The whole system gets wonky if that thermostatus has gone bad.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah. We got a thermostat that like it
Speaker 2: was like a carrier furnace or something, and they don't
Speaker 2: support it anymore. So I actually ordered a smart the
Speaker 2: thermostat to put in. And I'm in the process of,
Speaker 2: as you know, moving a new place, like okay, well
Speaker 2: you got change your locks and stuff, so I kind
Speaker 2: of did it. I want the smart route on our house,
Speaker 2: and now having some integrated locks and things like that
Speaker 2: just make it easier because we tend to sometimes be
Speaker 2: forgetful about locking doors and such, and you can look
Speaker 2: at it go oh yeah, the doors like garage doors
Speaker 2: down that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: That's just an age thing.
Speaker 8: But programmable thermostats can also be very energy efficient, which
Speaker 8: I feel like is is something that we all need
Speaker 8: because the cost of everything is through the roof so
Speaker 8: there was another change that happened in our life. You
Speaker 8: actually have graduated from the scooter to a real shoe.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I saw my doctor, my pediatrist, doctor Samantha
Speaker 2: Baker at christ who's wonderful. Their staff is amazing, she's great.
Speaker 5: That a good sense of humor, too, up with your crap.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I did it in like less than six weeks,
Speaker 2: which I think is pretty good. Went from the surgery
Speaker 2: to being able to walk around limp around a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's weird because my caf is like a little sore,
Speaker 2: but man, not having crutches. I talked about crutches the
Speaker 2: other day, Michelle that with all the medical inventions we have,
Speaker 2: take like a pig valve and put it in someone's heart,
Speaker 2: and we have all these ais running your body, and
Speaker 2: you've got this thing right, all this huge technology, the drugs,
Speaker 2: the pharmaceuticals, R and D. It's incredible, and yet we
Speaker 2: are still walking around with the device it was. I mean,
Speaker 2: it goes back to before the Civil War. The crutches.
Speaker 2: It's the worst invention ever. They tear up your forearms,
Speaker 2: your arm pits or sore. You think we'd come up
Speaker 2: with something better That's my point is you think someone
Speaker 2: would be on top of that though, and there's isn't
Speaker 2: there a better crutch, a better way to design a crutch?
Speaker 2: I mean, I have the knee scoot. You put your
Speaker 2: good knee on it or your bad knee on it,
Speaker 2: I guess, and rolled around, But that's kind of clunky.
Speaker 2: It's hard to get in another car. When I was
Speaker 2: dress started driving myself to work, I just take crutches
Speaker 2: because can't get it in and out. So, yeah, you
Speaker 2: think of something. I was like, there's there's gotta be
Speaker 2: something in the crutch realm that they're looking at, going,
Speaker 2: we're going to come up with a new crutch.
Speaker 8: Right, you know what, Maybe you should do that and
Speaker 8: then we can retire. Let's do a medical invention that
Speaker 8: has never been imagined before.
Speaker 5: I really want to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it would that would look like, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. There's gotta be some way to do that.
Speaker 2: A robotic type of foot thing. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't either outside of my scope.
Speaker 8: The reason why I talk about this change, so you're
Speaker 8: you're you're standing on two feet again.
Speaker 5: So that honeydew List baby is back.
Speaker 2: I know, wear out my other foot.
Speaker 8: Now, no, we're not going to do that, but we
Speaker 8: you know, and it is that time of year when
Speaker 8: we get when it gets cold, we have to think
Speaker 8: about okay, cold weather, getting our home prepped for the
Speaker 8: winter months.
Speaker 5: We don't want to hear about it, but we have to.
Speaker 5: You have to think about it. And now's the time.
Speaker 8: We talked a little bit about your HVAC system, your HBAC,
Speaker 8: the heating and cooling systems. So you're going to be
Speaker 8: there's really nothing to do right to turn off the
Speaker 8: AC or to winterize your AC unit.
Speaker 4: Is there No?
Speaker 2: Some people do put like 'l see people for their
Speaker 2: outdoor unit. You don't want to do that because it
Speaker 2: traps chat, traps moisture in there, which is bad for obviously,
Speaker 2: you don't need to people. I've seen people do that before.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I got to put a tarp on
Speaker 2: top of my outdoor. You know the big fan, the
Speaker 2: big box that the condenser it's called. You want to
Speaker 2: leave that, leave that exposuing, like I said, you know
Speaker 2: in the winter. Now you know you could set auto
Speaker 2: in the winter. A lot of people do that, but
Speaker 2: I said, leave it on. But I would have to
Speaker 2: qualify that by saying, if you have a whole house
Speaker 2: humidifier that works a little bit better. If you have
Speaker 2: immnification system, you want to leave it on because you're
Speaker 2: humidifying the air, which is what you want, and it
Speaker 2: might reduce some cold spots and things like that. But
Speaker 2: typically most people just leave it to auto when they're fine.
Speaker 8: And the basic, basic, most basic thing that you can
Speaker 8: do is replace your furnace filter.
Speaker 2: Correct, you should be doing that. Checking that filter. You
Speaker 2: hold it up to like the light down in the basement,
Speaker 2: and if you can see through it it looks dirty,
Speaker 2: you're gonna replace it, that's all. If you can. If
Speaker 2: you can't see through it, you got real problems. You
Speaker 2: don't want that thing breaking down because it strains the
Speaker 2: motor and then in this expensive repair calum we're trying
Speaker 2: to save you money there, So don't do that.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Okay.
Speaker 8: So the next thing I want to talk about, I
Speaker 8: want to go actually outside of your home because now
Speaker 8: we have the temperatures are nice enough during the day
Speaker 8: to do some outside work, So now's a perfect time
Speaker 8: to clean up your yard and trim the trees and
Speaker 8: bushes around your house. You should never have vegetation touching
Speaker 8: your home because it can lead to bugs coming in,
Speaker 8: animals coming in, the climb up the things. So you
Speaker 8: want at least a foot to two feet away from
Speaker 8: vegetation and your house. And so a lot of people
Speaker 8: they have their bushes and they're right up against the house.
Speaker 8: They're touching the house. They have trees with limbs that
Speaker 8: are overhanging onto your roof. When those big winds come
Speaker 8: like we had last week, we had some serious winds,
Speaker 8: and any of those branches that are a little bit brittle,
Speaker 8: they're going to fall on your roof. They could cause
Speaker 8: damage to your roof. So now is a perfect time
Speaker 8: if you have to hire somebody to help you make
Speaker 8: sure that the vegetation, any trees, shrubs, whatever, are at
Speaker 8: least I'm gonna say, at least two feet away from
Speaker 8: your home. The other thing is if you have that
Speaker 8: growing ivy that has gotten out of control and it
Speaker 8: is climbing up your the side of your house, and
Speaker 8: it is the one of the worst things. I've talked
Speaker 8: to people who are brick layers who if you're gonna
Speaker 8: if it's gonna be coming up siding, it's gonna go
Speaker 8: into and under the siding and into your walls and
Speaker 8: into your home. I've seen it crawl into gaps in
Speaker 8: people's windows, window wells.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I will destroy the brick.
Speaker 4: It will.
Speaker 5: It takes away the mortar, and it's it's bad. It's
Speaker 5: just bad.
Speaker 8: And when I see us, there's a couple of our
Speaker 8: new neighbors that have ivy climbing up the front of
Speaker 8: their house. Actually, and some people think it looks really
Speaker 8: cool in old school and whatever.
Speaker 5: No, just say no to ivy. That's what that's my
Speaker 5: that's my tip for today.
Speaker 2: Well, eventually it's going to keep growing and growing. I wonder,
Speaker 2: does I've never seen it get to the point where
Speaker 2: gutters are I.
Speaker 8: Mean no, no, they've gone into attics before. I've seen actually,
Speaker 8: I've seen it crawl into attics. I've seen it actually
Speaker 8: crawl through walls, through cracks and walls and on some
Speaker 8: of the really older homes in Cincinnati, and I've seen
Speaker 8: it crawl through. And then it's then they leave these
Speaker 8: little suckers behind the little their little tentacles, and it's
Speaker 8: a mess. So now's a good time. You know, you're
Speaker 8: going to have to make sure that you're cutting it
Speaker 8: off at the base, but then you have to remove it.
Speaker 8: It may need some power washing. It's not an easy
Speaker 8: task to get rid of because it's pretty invasive. But
Speaker 8: it is so bad for your house. And so today's
Speaker 8: to my message today and I'm going to be talking
Speaker 8: about this on my podcast, just say no to ivy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people see like you know, old homes in the
Speaker 2: Northeast at Wrigley Field. But keep in mind, you know
Speaker 2: that that that ivy wall is it's by design. It
Speaker 2: takes a lot of people to maintain. They maintain that
Speaker 2: all the time. It's built for that. Your house wall
Speaker 2: for the ivy the house is veneer brick. So it's
Speaker 2: a whole different yeah. Yeah, and the English, the Boston
Speaker 2: ivy is terrible for your house too. And the other
Speaker 2: thing too is it also will trap moisture against sighting,
Speaker 2: so you're looking at mold and rot and things like
Speaker 2: that as well termites. It's the whole as for disaster.
Speaker 2: You don't want to do it.
Speaker 8: No, Yes, So there you go if you if you
Speaker 8: want to tune in for me, just you have you
Speaker 8: have at against green Bean castro all I have one
Speaker 8: against ivy.
Speaker 5: I hate I hate the climbing ivy.
Speaker 2: You can cut it down and kill it and let
Speaker 2: it die and then kind of you know, fall and
Speaker 2: but the but the like the stickers remain behind.
Speaker 8: The little suckers will remain for quite a while. And
Speaker 8: that's and it looks bad too.
Speaker 2: I mean, why some people, you know, you're looking to
Speaker 2: go with ivy wall that's kind of stately and stuff,
Speaker 2: But it's it's a lot worse then. You know, the
Speaker 2: offset of the aesthetic is far worse.
Speaker 5: So if it's a garden wall, you know, if you
Speaker 5: have a moat around your.
Speaker 2: House, well, now, if you really want to do it,
Speaker 2: you can attach a trellis and stand it off the
Speaker 2: side of the house.
Speaker 8: But again, is it going to be at least a
Speaker 8: foot away from the house, because it's gonna climb, and
Speaker 8: it's gonna climb across your trellis and it's going to
Speaker 8: climb into your home and it's gonna no, just just
Speaker 8: say no.
Speaker 2: Well, and they're like, well, why did that even start
Speaker 2: in the first place. I didn't look at the history
Speaker 2: of it, but I would guess it's because back of
Speaker 2: the day people we're also lazy.
Speaker 8: It's well, absolutely, well, if you put ivy in your
Speaker 8: in your landscaping beds, and it looks cool because it's
Speaker 8: just it climbed, It grows and it spreads and it's
Speaker 8: not too tall.
Speaker 2: You're also spending We spent five minutes talking about that.
Speaker 2: Maybe seven people have so that's a lot of iv anymore.
Speaker 2: Do you see that much?
Speaker 5: I see it.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, okay, in your dreams, you see it anyway?
Speaker 2: What else you got? Cold weather home maintenance? Get rid
Speaker 2: of it, by the way. Let me remind you at
Speaker 2: some other point, because it's still I mean, it still
Speaker 2: very real. Early, make sure you take off the faucets
Speaker 2: on the outside of your house. If youve got a
Speaker 2: hose attached to outdoor, a faucet, the hose bib, you
Speaker 2: got to take that off. Even if it's a frost
Speaker 2: free silcock. You got to unscrew that, take the hose off,
Speaker 2: and then take the hose and put it like in
Speaker 2: the garage, or make sure you drain it all the
Speaker 2: way too, because you know, you drag that in the
Speaker 2: garage or you put it wherever. It's still got water
Speaker 2: and it's all nasty. So let the hoses drain out
Speaker 2: and then you know, put it down the driveway for
Speaker 2: a minute. Let's let gravity do its job well.
Speaker 5: And if you wait until it's frozen, it's harder to
Speaker 5: get that off.
Speaker 2: You say, you're not gonna Well, what happens is even
Speaker 2: though frost rat So what happens that the freezes inside
Speaker 2: the hose itself and then because cold water ice expands,
Speaker 2: it pushes itself back up the line into the house.
Speaker 2: And you don't want that. It creates that that generally freeze.
Speaker 2: It could wind up breaking a pipe on the inside
Speaker 2: of the house. So you know, even if you have
Speaker 2: a frost free one of these things most houses do,
Speaker 2: and you may not if you have an older house.
Speaker 2: You just got to be aware of that and make
Speaker 2: sure you know, take the hostes off. It's the best
Speaker 2: thing you can do.
Speaker 8: Right exactly. Okay, how much time we have left? Because
Speaker 8: I do have like three or four more things. You
Speaker 8: talked about ivy way too long.
Speaker 2: So this is on you again. It's poor planning in
Speaker 2: your part.
Speaker 10: It's like you, you, But I think it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 10: We got to get to the airport, Michelle ohing cawn,
Speaker 10: but I'm out of gas. Stopping that isn't anything to
Speaker 10: do with the house.
Speaker 2: Poor planning in your part. You spent way too much
Speaker 2: time talking about IVY.
Speaker 5: It's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Get you get your carbon monoxide right, get your smoke detectives.
Speaker 2: You saved the time. We should save the carbon monoxide
Speaker 2: the smoke detectives for next week, when or when the
Speaker 2: time change happens, like a week or two.
Speaker 5: Okay, probably we're out of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because your dog. Your dog is probably crapping in
Speaker 2: the corner right now.
Speaker 8: Oh no, he scratched up the door at the office.
Speaker 8: I can hear something else. You're gonna have to fix her.
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna have the rent here forever.
Speaker 2: Who fixes the stuff at your office? This guy? Great? Awesome?
Speaker 2: You can't control your doctor.
Speaker 5: All right, you're feeling better and you have two legs.
Speaker 2: Now, now crawl, you're asked to work. My wife, who
Speaker 2: I love dearly, is Michelle Sloansloan Salesholmes dot Com, Open
Speaker 2: the House Show and Remax time in Mainville. You can
Speaker 2: catch the podcast be the iHeartRadio app. But of course
Speaker 2: the show on YouTube as well. There's fascinating guests and
Speaker 2: stuff too. She does hours and upon hours talking about IVY.
Speaker 2: All right, I gotta get going. I'll see you later.
Speaker 2: I love you. Gotta go, gotta go because I've got
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