WEBVTT - 10-23-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.840 Don't want to be an American. 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:05.880 Got a new angle on the violence downtown. So you 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:08.639 go back to the brawl and late Jult we had 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.200 one person out of hundreds calling nine one one Fountain 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.520 Square shootings. We just had again a little number of 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.400 people calling nine one one inside of the business that 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.960 was shot up, and it begs the question why. From 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.400 the Brain Performance Center in Dallas, Lee Richardson is here. 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:23.280 Welcome back to the show. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:25.960 How are you, good morning, Thanks for having me back. 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:26.760 I'm doing well. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:28.480 Thank you. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:33.000 You've seen the video. It's been national international news and 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.480 it's hard still kind of hard to watch too. And 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.800 regardless of who said what and what transpired, the fact 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.200 that only a couple people, maybe one or two people, 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.920 said hey, I better call the police is something I 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.360 don't think we've ever seen. I mean, it's a newer trend, 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.040 I suppose, but in our lifetimes, if you would have 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.839 said maybe ten or fifteen years ago, maybe five years ago, 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:54.760 that yeah, you'd have something like this and one person 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:56.800 will call nine one one, which means in the future, 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.600 I suppose maybe no one calls nine one. Maybe these 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.560 things happen and then we never hear about it because 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.520 no one thinks to call the police. The question for 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.640 someone like yourself is why how much of that as 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:07.600 social media. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.759 And COVID Well, I think that you know, anytime you've 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:16.720 seen a really intense event that triggers adrenaline in your body, 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.160 the drones they start kicking out all that corsal, and 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.680 that gives you a psych physiological rush, and you get 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.440 excited and you want to capture the moment. And I 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.720 think many people, honestly, social media plays into it because 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.679 they think if they get the shocking footage, that's going 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.000 to get them more likes, more shares, more comments on 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.320 social media and the thought of being the one who 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.920 got the video that activates the brain sop immine reward system. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.640 It's just like when you win at cambling. I think 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.640 filming it can make you feel like you're doing something 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.440 without risking any personal safety as well. I did watched 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:05.560 the video Scott, and I couldn't believe it appeared that 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:10.240 people were cheering, almost cheering it on. You know, there 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:14.000 was no space. Everybody was crowding around and that certainly 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:19.519 escalate the intensity of it. And people pull out a 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.919 camera and cameras create an audience. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.840 Well, you maybe just think of this. Speaking of video. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.400 This summer on vacation, did a bucket list trip to Australia. 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.840 It's beautiful. My wife wanted to do like a whale 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.920 watching crew. So you get on this boat and you 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.560 look for whales because whales go up and down the 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.960 Aussie coast. It's called the hump Back Highway, and so 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:41.720 this time of year especially get to see whales, which 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.359 you want to do, like, all right, I'll go check 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.600 some whales out, which sounds pretty good. And so we're 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.120 on this butat and it's interesting because every single person 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.200 for the entirety of the trip, as I look around, 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.920 is recording every little thing, holding the phone up to 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.320 their face and not actually looking at the whale. They're 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.240 looking at through a monitor. And there are a couple 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.520 of younger people who wanted nothing to do with well watching, 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.600 who were belong by their parents, as you typically have, 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.079 and they were in the boat inside on their phones 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.560 playing games in the middle of the ocean. So I 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.240 look at that and go what and this is before 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.880 all this happened too. I thought, it's very surreal that 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.359 we experience life through a viewfinder, and I think, lee 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.400 when you do that, it's not real if you're watching 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.560 a device. So what you see on your your viewfinder, 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.880 what you see on your camera or your phone is 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.079 not real. It's a it's a show, it's streaming, it's 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.520 a TV show. And so if you looked up in 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.840 a Wow, this is really happening. It's a much different 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.680 experience than looking through a little, you know, four inch 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:34.760 by two inch you finder. 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.240 I can make really good points. God, I mean when 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.160 you're when you're in a spectator mindset and you're just 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.240 watching something. If you were there and maybe you would 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.280 have thought about being a help helper. No, you're just 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.640 part of an audience, and that makes it much easier 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.520 just to watch or film whatever it is rather than 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:57.360 act on it. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.440 That might explain why people are doing I think the 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.040 other element too, as everyone wants to be Insta famous 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.760 too and post these provocative videos, and the people who 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.240 posted the ones that caught on that we've all seen 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.800 now are getting all sorts of clicks and views and 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.640 subscribers maybe to their channel, even if that's nothing we're about. 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.839 And so that also feeds this too as well. We're 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.240 in the we're in the essentially the content creator phase. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.520 Everyone's a content creator. Now that's a problem. 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.599 That is a problem, and you know we have to remember, 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.760 especially at night, and when you add a little bit 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:32.359 of alcohol, it makes us feel more anonymous. It we'rewith 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:37.520 if we drop our inhibitions, and we also behavee more 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.960 impulsively and we lose empathy. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.159 Brain Expertly Richardson on the Scotsland Show on seven hundred WLW, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.080 we had the brawl over the summer and one person 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.880 out of hundreds called nine to one one. We saw, 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:52.919 well police respond pretty quickly what happened and just happened 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.920 on Fountain Square over the last couple of days, but 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.240 again an another low level of nine one one calls 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.680 because people are just rather recorded then do something about it. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.440 And it has to do with obviously being a content creator, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.880 but looking through your screen and not seeing things in 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.120 real life, being a spectator and not someone who's engaged. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.640 How much do you think COVID has factor in this 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.520 as well? Is this still like we're seeing more of 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.520 the stuff because of COVID and how does that work 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:18.800 if so? 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.159 Well, I think we're still on the aftermath of COVID, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.719 and I think COVID left all of us with some 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:31.200 emotional trauma and that impacts our judgment, particularly late at 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.200 night with alcohol. But I think that we shut down 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.159 during COVID, and for some people that has maybe become 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.720 the default mode. They see something, it's intense, the I'm 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:47.039 not sure how to overreact. Then they see everybody, you know, 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.799 kind of encouraging it, and everybody pulls out their camera, 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.520 so that becomes the social norm. Oh, it's okay to 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.599 feel this, everybody else is. And I think that we 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.520 just we go more into the freeze date after COVID 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:02.680 than we did before. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.360 And of course now we have to talk about the 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.520 algorithms that encourage us going to be behavior to begin with, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.760 and how much worse is it going to get? You know, 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.839 you want to think this has got to be bottomed, 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.560 but it's not. Probably, no, it's not. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.560 I mean, if you look at loneliness, loneliness is at 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.160 an all time high, and I think that that started 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.839 with COVID. We were forced to isolate. We didn't go 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.760 to school the same way, we didn't go to work, 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.720 we didn't go to church, we didn't go to gym 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.400 the same way. And for a lot of people that 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:37.000 had severe anxiety, it was very comforting, but that I 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.799 think for many people that just pushed them deeper into 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:46.159 their anxiety. And we've got to start to connect everybody wanted. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.520 I think resilient is the foundation that we all stand on, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.360 but that doesn't just mean cognitively that your brains can. 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:59.919 Emotionally you're you're able to control your emotions and socially 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.040 you feel connected. And I think that's one thing that 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.479 we're all we haven't really built back up. It's our resilience. 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.479 How do you see this thing shaken out? I mean, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.640 it's part of our culture, it's part of our fabric. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.560 It's not going away. Do we just simply adapt? Do 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.200 we learn to we be able to back off and 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:19.360 understand that what the negative consequences of this life stilence? 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.200 Well, you know it's really complex. Holly that took the 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.320 big punch in the face, someone started to go fundme 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:32.480 page for her, So we see an extreme of non 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.320 caring and then at the same time we see that 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.160 people do care. So I think that it all ties 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.240 into emotional balance and that we're still in that aftermath 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.760 coming out of COVID how to connect, how to react, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.320 and we are still riding the roller coaster that fights 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:55.360 flight freeze, and I think until we can create more stabilization. 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.960 And that's mentally as well as physically. It's one unit 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.040 the brain and the body. It's one ning. The body 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.200 keeps score of everything going on the brain with the 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.720 Once we can calm that brain down and we can 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.080 all do that, we can work on that on our own. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:16.160 There's no meditation. Breathing and making sure you get a 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:23.040 good night sleep, exercising the basics, eating healthy foods. I've 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:27.120 heard a term the neuroprotective diet. What you eat can 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:28.240 protect your brain. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.560 You know, we've also heard you mentioned meditation. All these 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.760 things which are much harder to do because you know 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.000 your dopamine recappers are going nuts. Anytime you look at 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.440 something online, you're being fed a steady dyet of that stuff, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.840 and you know it all sounds well and good. You 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.280 have to be very, very proactive and saying, hey, listen, 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.520 I've got to balance out my digital lifestyle with real life. 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:50.920 Very very few people are going to do that simply 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.439 because you're not being rewarded as much as you are 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.199 when the algorithms do what they do and you're getting 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:57.160 that neural response. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:02.800 Absolutely and alto neural to gendrite. Think're really confused. You 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.000 know that brain starts kicking out that dopamine, and that 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.080 confuses those neurons and gendrits. Instead of you know, I 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:14.240 like this, it turns into I want this, and then 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.600 it turns into I need this. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.520 It's interesting, I think also because you wonder how much 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.920 it's a cyclical behavior, is that we watch what happened, 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.360 people are all recording. No one's calling nine to one 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.640 one because they become spectators. It's become everything's a show. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.960 Now everything is going meant to be put online, and 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.800 it's a performance in front of me. Despite the fact 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.360 that we've lost any sense of empathy, that we saw 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.600 people kicking folks when they're down, people normally don't act 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.559 like that. And I wonder how many people who are 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:46.920 caught up in this and who are going to be 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:51.079 charged and prosecuted and sentenced may have regret for the actions, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:52.760 but look back and go, what the hell was I thinking? 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.800 I got swept up in a moment in the zeitgeist, 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.720 and now I'm paying a heavy prices. Well you should 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.880 for that kind of behavior. I don't think that's going 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.520 to cause anyone else to be interested back to go. Man, 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.839 Maybe you know what I maybe it's social media. Maybe 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.800 I need to quit recording everything and just live more life, 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.360 life as it's meant to be, and not document every 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.240 little mundane moment in life and live life in the moment. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.920 But very few people are going to think like that. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.199 I think that this has just encouraged more behavior. And 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.120 that's what happens, right is that doesn't this lead to 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.720 more impulsivity and normally public behaviors because you're hiding behind 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.120 that screen name where you'll go and attack people. You'll 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.680 get that dopamine spike and you'll have this heated argument 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.240 online or attack or dock somebody and it makes you 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.160 feel good, but you don't think that's a real person. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.120 Well, yeah, I think you make a good point. This 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.959 has become a social norm there. Everybody pulls out their 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:49.600 phone and if they're like taking selfies or are they're 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.960 looking for something to see them. They're looking for something 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:56.840 to catch. Everybody's watching and recording. So if everybody else 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.560 is doing it, actually doing it too. And once you 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.679 create a social norm, it it's going to be very 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:04.679 hard to change. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.320 It's almost like life itself has become a video game, 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:15.160 you know, I mean, you share followers, you get points. Essentially, 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:19.480 it's only turned social interaction in a competitive game. And 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.440 and people, there are people out there doing stuff online, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.040 just ridiculously stupid stuff, dangerous stuff for that matter, at 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.760 any cost and for shock value, and we manufacture outrage 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.880 and uh that just encourages more attention seeking antisocial behavior. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:33.439 Uh. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.160 And it's a race to the bottom. And so it's 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.400 literally I mean, if you get points, we're doing what 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.240 you do what should be clicks? So what should be like? 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:40.880 Isn't this a game? 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.400 Sounds like it? I mean, and I think we're becoming 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.280 these sensitized. I think we see so much of it 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.080 that it's just like h's you know, here's another one. 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.040 And I think that a lot of this are we're 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:59.000 seeking stimulation and we're and for young adults are they're 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.800 looking for pure ruble and putting it on social media 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:04.560 is a quick way to get that. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:05.160 Yeah. 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.640 Yeah, And it also effects I think socialization too. I 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.160 see a number not all, of course, but there are 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.040 a lot of young people now that you know, we'll 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.040 talk in one hundred and forty characters or less and 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:16.040 not make eye contact. 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:16.280 To it. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.920 It's almost like you if you wouldn't know. They seem 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.079 autistic in a way, but it's actually the fact that 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.560 all their communication has done digitally. There's very little one 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.360 on one, face to face communication. It feels like that's 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:28.040 a dying art. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:30.320 Well, it does. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.000 And eye contact and just verbal I have many clients 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.599 that say, I don't call anybody. I can't remember the 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.040 last time I called somebody. Yeah, I just text him. 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.040 I just text him. And you know, if you think 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.560 about how we're using AI now, there are studies that 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:50.119 have come out that the younger population they're turning to AI, 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.240 and I think thirty five percent of one survey I 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.840 said that's because it didn't have anybody else to talk to. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.760 Yeah, you hear that. And that's a very interesting point 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.000 main Lee Richardson is the fact that with all this technology, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:08.240 grinning more and more isolated and therefore depressed. COVID exacerbated that, 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.240 to be sure, but it doesn't feel like we've moved 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:11.719 away from that. I mean, you know, when you are 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.200 social distancing and you're working at home and I know 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.480 they're calling people back to the office and people reluctantly 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.640 are doing that. But you're not interacting with anyone that 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.640 is so dangerous to the human psyche because we're social creatures, 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:23.360 are not built for. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:27.080 That, and I think we kind of forget how when 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.120 you don't, when you don't use social skills, well thinks that. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.920 You know, we've talked about COVID when people first started 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.800 getting on the road again and driving as we came 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:41.160 out of COVID, the road rage was incredible. We forgot 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:42.600 how to drive nice. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.959 I don't know if we ever knew how to drive nice, 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:49.000 but it certainly got I agree with it got worse 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.679 after COVID, simply because it all became about us. We 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.080 are ready very self centered people with the advent of 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.959 digital technology, because it became our bone individual brand, right, 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.959 That's what it was about, you know, and you're told 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.520 the steady diet. If you're the most important person, you're snowflake. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.360 You know your your fingerprint, you're you're different than everyone else, 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.440 and you're special. And we started naming people, you know, 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.080 people get names like princess and king and things like that. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.360 Queen and those titles go around. But then you add 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.880 the isolation of COVID and social media in there, and 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.840 we have a very self centered society now, and it's 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.320 about me and my instant gratification and no one else. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.920 How we see that people getting getting shot at McDonald's 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.880 behind the counter because you know, they got a cheeseburg 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.240 instead of a hamburger. If we allow that, it's not 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:33.960 much of a stretch to go, wow, hey, there's a 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.160 guy that I got beef with sitting at Citybird on 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.360 Fountain Square and broad Dayla album a fire, couple of 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.240 rounds in the window, or the guys that got in 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.600 an argument and started shooting across traffic rush hour right 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.920 at Fountain Square a couple of days ago, same thing? 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.800 Wow right, Yeah, I mean, and there's something that we 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.680 have to do about it if we just we just 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.640 rollish and say, oh, that's just the way it is now, 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.520 so will only get first. And I think that that's 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.000 something that that we as we move forward with technology, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:08.320 we've got to redefine our relationship with technology. Your phone 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.520 is not your best friend. Your phone does not need 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:15.960 to sleep with you. And I have clients that when 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.280 I say where's your phone's sleep form? You know I 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.880 used to call asleep with it in my hands. Really, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.440 is that where it needs to be and I have 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:28.320 clients that refer to AI as AL. Well, I'm going 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.680 to go home. I'm going to go home and hang 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:35.280 out with AL Who's ol ask my boyfriend. I don't 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.400 know you had a boyfriend, Well, AI, I call him out. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.480 Wow, And they have conversations with AI. And I've done 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.640 that kind of of je to see when the responses are. 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.480 It's frightening, is what it is. And we're becoming Yeah, 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.800 we're becoming more attracted to digital a digital person than 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.320 a real person. That's that's frightening and exper I think 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.280 a lot of this, a lot of what's happened here 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:57.280 now anyway, what we're. 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.960 Gonna say because they tell us what we want to hear, 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:01.680 of course we're getting it. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:02.440 We want that. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.360 I mean AI talks to you just like you talk 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.560 to it, and it will tell you and if you 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.240 use it consistently, it picks up your algorithm. It will 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:12.760 and it will learn to talk and it will tell 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.800 you what you want to hear. So yeah, we all 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.480 do like you, Hey, beautiful, you have a great day. 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:21.480 And eventually we're gonna have a machine that does that 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.160 in real life and there'll be no human interaction. I'll 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.920 be dead and gone and happy by then. But chee 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.920 Lee Richardson at the Brain Performance Center in Texas. Lee 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.760 all the best, thanks for the inside good stuff. As always, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.480 Thank you so much. Take care, b Welly. So what 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.800 we saw in July on the streets of Cincinnati, the 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.720 international those to the most recent Fountain Square shootings, which 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.560 has led to the dismissal essentially whatever you're calling it, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.200 administrative leave of Chief Terry Fiji. I'm guessing that that's 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:50.600 what helped drive in the thing. And then you had 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.800 the shooting in front of the in between Thursday on football. 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.920 All these people around the city's lit up, and there's 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.560 cops around, cops are around Fountain Square, and these people 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.320 they just simply don't care. It's almost they lived in 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.680 their own world, a video game as it were, or 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.160 a world where I'm the central attraction. I'm the only 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:13.040 thing that matters. I'm not going to discount criminality, predatory 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.120 criminal behavior, and sociopaths that are engaging, there's no question, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.040 but I think there's a reflection there on all of 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.160 us as societies where we're headed now with AI coming 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.800 into fruition, which we still don't know what tomorrow is 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:25.520 going to bring with that, but also the fact that 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.520 you know, look at the few people calling nine to 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.439 one one when something goes on, they'd rather record it, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.159 post content on their page to get clicks and views, 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.080 and that feeds even more of the stuff too. And 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.240 I think in that regard we are all to blame 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.480 to some degree because we're feeding that and then you 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.480 put that in the hands of well street thugs and 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.200 criminals and sociopaths, and this is what happens. Just something 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.160 to think about and if that's true in any way, 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.680 shape or form, is it really the fault of Terry 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.159 Fiji or Adam Henny or whoever the chief is the 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.960 city of Cincinnati. Probably not. Could you do better with 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.240 the policies, absolutely, but that's above them. Scott'sland with News 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:00.760 in four minutes here seven hundred W. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:01.040 Well the. 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.399 Scott's looking here seven hundred W l W Welcome to 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:11.400 the show. I just talked to Lee Richardson, and Lee 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.520 is with the Brain Performance Center in Dallas and we 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:18.480 just had the you know what cosed Terry Fiji her 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.880 job essentially that would be the violence downtown, the shootings 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.280 at Fountain Square, and also I would include there what 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:30.439 happened at the end between two and you know, you 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.840 talk about the impact social media has on people, and 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.760 just let's look, let's look back at what happened in 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.639 July when you had all these people that were fighting 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.159 and getting curb stomped and everything else, and what one person, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.320 maybe two people called nine one one, and even the 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:48.560 person who's gonna call nine one one was threatened and 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:53.399 didn't you know, didn't feel comfortable in reaching out to 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.200 police because they felt like, hey, you know what, we 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.320 don't want to upset this. This is happening in our 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.159 little ecosystem here, and we're gonna have race wars, but 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.480 we don't want anyone responding. And you know there's people 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:07.800 down bleeding, you know, significant and serious injuries, two people, 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.399 and you wonder why that exists. Well, she talked greatly 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.639 about how the impact that social media has had on 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.520 all of us, and even if you're not involved in 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.600 you're offended by that. We also are still to blame 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:26.040 because we drive the content through the algorithms and that's 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.919 why clickbait is created. I think it's interesting too just 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.399 reading the story about social media. The social media make 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:35.920 you dumber, And the answer is well, yeah, I think 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:40.840 we can. I think we can absolutely measure that, but think, okay, well, 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.600 how do we test that? How we get simply just 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.879 you know, there's really no way to measure it, but 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.320 there is. If you had a you know what they 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.600 call in the research field, you know you've got a 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.520 you got a test, and a test better than a 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:56.480 I'm not blanking on the name of it, you know 0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:00.320 I'm talking about anyway, long story short. If you think 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.560 scrolling the Internet days making it dumber, what about AI? 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.639 So what they did is fascinating researchers, I think Texas. 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:06.840 And then they took junk data. They took the stuff 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.840 that we look at, the clickbait, the millions and millions 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.280 of short social media posts. They took stuff from Facebook 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.000 and x and Instagram and all that, and they put 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.919 a bunch of it into AIAI models. The stuff that 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.840 has a lot of engagement, likes, reposts, longer content, that 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:29.160 kind of stuff, sensationalized presentations and really thin on actual information. 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.840 Basically the same type of content that's rotting our own 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:33.480 brands or it feels like our writting own bridge. What 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.879 did AI do with this stuff? Because it's a learning 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:41.600 model the AI models that they use saw significant drops 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:46.359 in reasoning capabilities, understanding context, and being safe a sense 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:50.879 adherence to safety standards. So more than just getting dumber, 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:56.159 they included the clickbait, they included the junk, and it 0:20:56.359 --> 0:21:01.960 also changed the model's personality because it's a learning model 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:05.880 and so we'll learn and the responses when you read them, 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:08.760 you tend to look at and go, okay, it's not 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.440 just data, but there's a little personality. Well that's a yeah. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.080 You know, you could say, hey, take the story and 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.760 make it funny, and it would make it funny that 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:17.680 there's a personality element to it. And I know it's 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.119 a I know it's a computer and it's it's AI. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.199 But that's the scary part of the good part about it, 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.440 I suppose. So they put this through I think metas 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:29.040 when a meta's AI bots, and it displayed significantly higher 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.359 levels of narcissism and became less agreeable and also went 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.800 from displaying nearly no signs of psychopathy to extremely high 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:41.320 rates of psychopathy. That's crazy. Literally, it's making the computer crazy. 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:45.120 So if that is AI, and we can measure baseline 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.600 AI and go okay, well, this is before we feeded 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:51.159 a bunch of junk. If that's rotting the brain of 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.000 the computer, so to speak, what is that doing to 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:57.040 me and you? And conversely, when you look at what 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.480 happened at Fountain Square, when you look at what happened 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:05.560 d'uring the beatdown in July, it wouldn't surprise one that 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:07.200 no one is going to call the police. No one 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:08.720 cares to call the police or reach out and say, hey, 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.200 these are actually living human beings here because we're programmed 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.000 to steady died of this doncentse And you know, if 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.399 you spend all day looking at it, and I'm guilty 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.640 of it too, you might be as well. I try 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:20.720 to avoid it as much as possible, because it just 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.159 feels toxic to me. It really really does. So social media, 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.080 when you take it and put it at AI, makes 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:32.080 AI worse, dumber, more angry, just like us. We're in 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.879 day twenty three the shutdown now and now officially the 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.160 second longest funding lapse in modern history, eclipsing the one 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.000 back in back to nineteen ninety five during the Clinton administration. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:43.840 Thirty five days would be the record, by the way, 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.920 in case you're counting thirty five days and healthcare of 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:48.240 course as a hold up in this whole thing. We've 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:49.800 been talking about that. I'll have a guest on at 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.679 eleven oh six on that topic entirely too. Now, especially 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.080 as we head into benefit season here. It's open enrollment 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.800 coming up November first, and we're expecting the worst works 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.320 back being you know, a lot less coverage and more cost. 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:05.919 And that's for all of us too. So we are 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.040 now day twenty three of this thing. Yesterday they tried 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.120 to pass the I think the twelfth attempt to pass 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.719 the bill and nothing, largely because no one's outrage yet. 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.479 Now I know that they're going to start cutting SNAP 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.160 and that does affect seniors as well as low income families. 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.160 I wonder if that will get someone's attention or they'll 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.119 just go what they usually do is just say, well, 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.000 you know we can we we'll find some money for 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.600 because you know, it's theater up until a point that 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.919 someone gets hurt, no doubt about it. So we have 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:36.320 that going on. This is in the medical area here too. 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:38.119 I didn't know this. Last year they handed on a 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:41.240 Nobel Prize and on the nobil risory toxic and polarize 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:45.359 these days, but the Nobel buying physiology went to I 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.600 guess it a scientist or scientists, I should say that 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:53.119 studied animals, animals that can breathe through their anus. What 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:57.760 So now they've taken their research and said, there's mammals 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:00.800 that are capable of breeding through their butt. What do 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:05.959 we do with that? Well, for people who have disabilities 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.800 or blocked airways or clogged lungs, the OPD, for example, 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:13.119 maybe I don't know, they are now experimenting and getting 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:18.080 promising results to bring rectal oxygen delivery one step closer 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.679 to medical reality. I don't know if that's a foot pump, 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.520 I'm not sure. If you, I don't know, you stop 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.800 at UDF and you put quarters in, I'm not I 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:30.480 have no idea how that would work, but guarantee this, 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:32.640 if they get to that point, there will be some 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:36.080 product that comes out. PNG is probably already working on 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.560 something to make your anus smell better. So it's to 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:41.960 have fresh breath from the mouth and the butt as well, 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:44.480 a butt muffler or something. I don't know how they're 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:45.840 going to do this. It's a I don't know, if 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.919 it's a stovepipe, I'm not going not wait sure, you 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:50.720 just think about going well, you know, you've seriously if 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.320 you can't breathe, that's problematic for the human condition. Generally. 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:58.399 Not breathing is frowned upon in these parts, tends not 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.000 to have good outcomes, as they say in the medical field. 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:03.960 Now there's an option to actually be able to breathe 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:06.720 through your butt, well, not an option yet, it's maybe 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.359 they're working on this thing. What does that kind to 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:15.320 look like? Science is freaking amazing, absolutely amazing. That's good 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.399 stuff right there, Scott's Loan Show on this Thursday morning. 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:20.200 So yeah, we're on the backside of this whole thing. 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:23.280 Coming up at ten oh six Dominic Miserndido's here. He's 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.720 a retail expert, okay, and what nine months in roughly 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:28.800 we're heading to the quarter four quarter four is here? 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.040 How's this whole tariff thing working out? I was at 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:35.680 the store yes two days ago and it was Costco 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.919 of all places, which I love be some Costco because 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:43.080 the prices are good, people are very friendly there, and 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:46.600 everything's in quantity, which we like. I actually, for the 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:49.000 first time a long time or since I can ever remember, 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:52.680 said look to beef and went, yeah, it's too expensive. 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:56.439 It didn't high like to eat right, being Italian and 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:57.920 all that, and I look at it and go, wow, 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:00.359 pick up a pack of steaks and I think they 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.000 were just like I don't know, strip stakes or something 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:05.359 like that. And it was one hundred dollars for it 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.280 was a good There was a costco sized pack mine. 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.720 It wasn't like tuesdaks. Even the hamburger was like, you know, 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:15.000 six between six seven dollars a pound, Wow for hamburger. 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:16.959 It looked at it when O kaid, it's a lot 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:18.720 of hamburger freeze, like a lot of the stuff putting 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.080 in the ceiler and bag it up. But yeah, you 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:24.600 know what, I'm good chickadizer, Like I got two forty 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.159 nine pounds. I'll go that. I'll do that, like do 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.280 I need no, No, we're good, We're good. I couldn't 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.680 believe it. But then that's just me, and I'm sure 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.800 you and in course countless other people, so many people 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:38.040 feel the effect that every day. And you know, you 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:39.520 look at it and go, can I actually afford to 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:41.399 buy hamber It used to be steak right or something 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:43.400 nicer cut of meat. Now it's like I can't even 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.119 I can't affer eggs Hamburger. It's all going through the 0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:48.399 roof inflation and tariffs and of course you know with 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.359 beef too. There's a lot of other factors in there 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.880 as well, with droughts and sicknesses. But we'll get into 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:54.760 that with the dominant. Coming up at twelve. I'm sorry, 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:56.600 twelve was six, I said, coming up at the ten 0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:58.480 oh seven this morning here on the Scott Sloan Show 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.080 on seven hundred WW News on the way about six 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:05.240 minutes here, seven hundred W WELW Scott's Loan Show. Keeping 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:08.480 on top of everything. The latest Thigi news kind of 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:12.760 light today, But yesterday I think it was WCPO nine 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.359 at a interview with aftab Purevall and he said, this 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:20.360 investigation is going to take months to figure out what 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:24.760 she did wrong so we can fire her. And you know, 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.680 typically you go, well, maybe, okay, yeah, you know, maybe 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.399 Thigi was did something that's going to cause her to 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:34.679 be suspended and paid leave and what what has she 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:37.560 got someoned back from the conference in Denver and we 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:41.879 thought it was crime related and they're investigating her and 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.800 now she's paid leave. What's going on? What kind of 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.680 high level stuff is going on? Ask yourself a question, 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:50.960 and that may be true, but ask yourself a question. 0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:54.639 How many times has that actually happened where someone as 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:57.359 that said, Hey, we've suspended a person. Now we're going 0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:00.119 to wait two or three months and then tell tell 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:04.800 you what it is we think they did wrong. Doesn't 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.359 that Isn't that completely counter to the criminal justice system, 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.400 even did the basics of due process, And ironically, she's 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:16.320 the chief of police due processes. Okay, here's what we're 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:22.440 charging you with. Here are the accusations against you. Defend yourself. Instead, 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:26.120 they're going, okay, we're going to suspend you. Now we're 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.440 going to look for the stuff we suspended you. It's 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.960 it's part and parcel for what's going on at city Hall. 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:34.680 It really is something else. I'm not saying she's Clai. 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.400 I don't know. Knowing Terry and her family and what 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:40.920 they've done. Hard to believe that she'd be up to 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.040 something that would cost her her job, and you start 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.040 to the mind wanders of things you could do as 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.360 a chief that would cause you to be forced out. 0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.720 But we've never heard a rumor about that. Talk to 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.360 people at other news organizations, they haven't heard anything like 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.760 that with Terry Thiji. It doesn't pass a sniff test. 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.480 But again, now, normally how you do, like pe sitting 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:04.600 and felt for example, Okay, we heard rumors and then 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.360 okay we had the FBI and the sting and all that. 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:12.040 That information came out and he of course denied it 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.800 all and then went to prison and then got out 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:18.880 of prison because it was overturned. I get that. That's 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:22.920 usually how it works. I don't see too often if ever, 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:26.840 we met something and go we're suspending them, and there's 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:28.840 no inkling as to what they They don't know what 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:33.320 they did. So I'll reach out to Steve vm over 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.760 at Finney lawfer maybe he wants to come on and 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.360 address this. We'll probably do that next week because hey, 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.320 you know what, Thursday, Friday, you're thinking about the weekend, 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:41.960 and so am I. So it feels like a good 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:43.840 Monday topic. And who the hell knows what's going to 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.280 happen between now and then? You got me? You got me, 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:50.840 Speaking of crime and punishment, the Louver The louverra reopened yesterday, 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.960 first time since Steve's stold eight of France's Crown jewels, 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:56.440 and the value on that, by the way street value 0:29:56.440 --> 0:30:00.880 of over one hundred million dollars for eight jewels, and 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.000 they're still in the hunt obviously for the four thieves 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.760 that did this during daylight hours. And what it incredibly 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.640 they are addressed is construction workers. They get in and 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.320 out of the louver in less than what seven minutes 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.400 while the museum was opening to the public, and they 0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.640 also set off two alarms and were confronted by security 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:20.960 personnel and show talked their way out of it and 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.920 then hopped on some motorcycles and took off, which is 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.200 pretty smart when you think about I mean Paris, they 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.160 are a live you never been but it's incredible number 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.120 of motorcycles they have in Europe, but particularly in France 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.440 and in Paris obviously because so many people in the 0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:38.680 streets are so narrow, but you can get around on 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.080 them pretty quickly. The idea that you're going to know 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:42.960 all the things it gets you know, if you I 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:46.240 don't stole a painting, be much harder to get away 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.200 on a motorcycle. But he's still jewels, which is probably 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.400 part of the target. It's like, okay, well I can 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.280 throw them in my pocket, get them on bike and roll. 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.160 And then they had that image of the electric ladder 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.880 that was extended the second floor window, but the louver 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.880 is undergoing extensive remodeling, as you may or may not know, 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.080 and that's a pretty common sight. That's how you get 0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.280 things to the top floors. If you've you know, we 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:08.360 see it occasionally in Cincinnati and are of the most 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.720 densest urban area. But if you go to I don't 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:14.080 like Chicago or New York for example, and you watch 0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.360 them work on a building, I mean, to hoist drywall 0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.280 up is a feat of engineering. We're literally got to 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:20.920 blow all the windows out and just hoist it up 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.040 on a giant lift and get the sheets of drywall 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.320 up to the thirtieth floor or whatever it does. You're going. 0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:30.160 That's a whole different operation there. So it all it 0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:32.200 all kind of fit together. The fascinating part about this 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:36.440 to me is how the alarms want out, they knew 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.880 the alarms would go off in security to respond, and 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.960 how they are still able to get away in talking 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.320 their way out of this thing dress as construction workers. 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:46.560 I cannot wait to hear that element of it. That's 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.600 the most fascinating part of this to me. And also 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.800 it makes you think, well, they had some insight knowledge 0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:54.080 of how things are going to work, because I did 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.040 read that there are cameras in the second story. We're 0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:59.320 facing in the wrong direction. And you know, if you're 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.720 working and can instruction on a floor a couple of floors, 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:06.560 moving stuff around is commonplace, and so you wonder if 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.360 that was maybe how they got in, But you would 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.200 also think you'd have to have people inside the loop 0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.960 helping you too, and pretty precise the fact that they 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.560 got in they got specifically what they wanted, because there 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.280 I know there's I don't know the total number of 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.520 Crown jewels, but there's there's a number. They got eight 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:26.160 of them, very specific items. But doesn't that make you think, okay, 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.800 if specifically they got these things, was this like a 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.280 did they already have the fence set up? And that 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:34.720 was that someoney who said, hey, listen, we'll pay you 0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:36.480 this amount of money if you can get these jewels, 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:38.440 go in and get them. And they did that. It 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:43.000 was like a basically they placed an order and the 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.600 thieves went and got this stuff. And just the number 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.440 of people it took too, I think to pull this 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.160 off is fascinating to me. So and it's just like 0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.600 the Italian job or snatch or I mentioned Inspectorcluso in 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.160 Pink Panther or Ocean's eleven. Yeah, it's just a good 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:58.920 fevery story and you look at it, go this is 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:00.800 gonna be give me some poorn because it's gonna be 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.480 great on Netflix when they finally solved this whole thing. 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.600 By the way, uh, Scotts phone coming up next to 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:08.760 the show Don Mizarndino's here is retail experts, the terraffs 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.360 feeling that we're feeling the squeeze the consumer end. And 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.640 I think that is indeed the problem here because when 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.880 it's I don't know, cattle ranchers are getting money, Venezuela 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.280 is getting money. We got money coming in from the terrace, 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.560 but it's not trickling down to me and you. And 0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:24.240 if so, how long can we stand this pain with 0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.160 the terraffs. That's just ahead on the Home of the 0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:29.480 Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WW SINCENTI, do you want to. 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:31.160 Be an American idiot? 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.680 It's got flown back on seven hundred w W. So, uh, 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:36.680 my wife and I work Costco the other day. Love 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:38.760 me some Costco even though it's just two of us 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:42.240 for summer speaking chop at Costco. Do I really need? 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.080 Do I really need a fifty five gallon drum of mayonnaise? No, 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:47.800 but damn it, look at that price on that. Unfortunately, 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.320 I'm looking around it for the first time since I 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:52.600 don't know when I looked at a package of beef 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:55.240 and I think it was like, you know, a pack 0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:57.080 of steaks or something you're freeze on me to cut, 0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.160 and it was over one hundred dollars may like a 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.360 package of ground beef. Now granted it's the Costco size package, 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.200 but it was like forty to fifty bucks. And I 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.840 looked at it and went, nope. So where are you 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:11.480 on tariffs, because that's part of this too. Beef is 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:13.560 a I think maybe a little bit different. But you know, 0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:15.400 we have that, we have inflation driving the cost of 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.279 goods or consumers the stuff that is widely important in 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:21.400 the US, in particular furniture, car parts, electronics. I mentioned 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.960 beef getting hit some of the big ones companies that 0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.839 passed on roughly two thirds of those costs to us 0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:29.480 to meet and you and we're waiting for all this 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.279 to come back to us. The question is if and 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.719 when and on that is dominic mister Indino is a 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:39.800 CEO at retail tech Media Nexus Rtmnexus dot com Dominic. 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:40.760 Welcome back, how you doing. 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:43.920 Brother, Thrilled to be back, Thrill to be back and 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.000 cover some light and airy issues in the economy. 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.000 I was cringing at the price of beef and walk 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:54.000 in and went now And I don't ever remember doing 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:57.200 that because I like beef, I like chicken, I like 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:01.600 you know this, My body type is beef. So when 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.480 we look at the tariffs themselves and what's happening or 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:08.000 President Trump just told cattle ranchers, I think yesterday, the 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.400 only reason they're doing so well is because tariffs on 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.240 cattle come in the United States are causing their prices 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.200 and they're causing make a more profit. And that includes 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.680 a fifty percent tar from Brazil. But now we want 0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.239 to import bee from Argentina because we want we want 0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:24.799 to help their economy, and then cattle ranchers here will 0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:28.040 get three billion dollars in assistance to those who have 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.680 been hurt with the trade dispute with countries like China. 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:34.560 So it's like just a malgam. It's a casse role 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.759 of subsidy and giveaway and tariffs and then we're taking 0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:40.240 the money and giving it to farmers. And it feels 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.600 like everyone's getting money of foreign countries and farmers, but 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:45.319 they ain't doing anything for me and you. 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.480 Well, and I think started the basics of the equation, 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.319 and I go back to the basics, mean, what is 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:56.800 a tar of The tariff is attacks essentially passed on 0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.480 to the consumer unimported goods, which means, and you're going 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.520 to have to buy beef right now, your choice is 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:06.440 American beef price, and everything else has a tariff on it, 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.920 there by making it more expensive, making the American beef 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:12.879 price grows up. If the American consumer is good with that, 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:17.160 paying higher prices, then hooray on tariffs. Now the challenge 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.040 is the American consumer, such as yourself, knock on the door, say. 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:24.319 One hundred dollars feet, what's going on, dude? And CAUs 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.240 there's one cycle. In the addition, you have this other issue, 0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:30.000 this whole Argentina thing. And then the farmers themselves saying, 0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:33.160 wait a minute, I thought we were winning in this equation. 0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:37.799 By stopping all external beef, you're helping Argentina. So I 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.759 think you have almost like two stories hitting each other, 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.640 like the cars driving into each other middle highway, and 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:46.360 to be honest, the only one to lose is the 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.400 guy who has a paycheck who says, are these parts 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:51.759 necessarily getting me where I want to be? 0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:54.360 I think it's a fair assessment because you look at 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:57.919 that Brazil and the tariffs and women to Argentine. Well, Argentina, okay, 0:36:57.920 --> 0:36:59.920 we need to help their economy. So we're gonna we're 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:01.560 with the tariffs. I don't know if with the impact 0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:03.480 is Argentina tariffs, but we ont to lift their economents. 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.799 We're gonna give them subsidy. We're gonna Venezuela another one. 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.719 Cattle ranchers here get three billion dollars because they're not 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:11.840 selling stake because somebody like me walks in goes. I 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.560 ain't paying that for a stake. You know it'll be 0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.600 special cat back to special occasion or grand beef or 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.840 whatever it is. Okay, So they're getting money through you know, 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.280 tariffs and subseat it. We don't get anything as the consumers. 0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.000 Now we're waiting. We're told back in January and up 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:27.560 to that that hey, we're gonna hit the tariffs and 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:29.840 guess what, We're gonna start getting jobs back it's going 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:31.719 to start to just cost everyone's going to be rich. 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.160 And we keep waiting for that, and I think, you know, 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.759 here we are and the Q four right now, we're 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.560 not seeing that, and that really is the problem right here, 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.640 we're not getting the relief we were told we're going 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:43.000 to get. 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.960 I think the critical part of that is the when. 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:53.520 Meaning tariffs add to the American overall budget to put 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.280 them in supplictic we get the money we're collecting. Everyone 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.040 has to pay more for their beads, and they put 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:00.959 sending money right to the US government. All right, theoretically 0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:04.239 paying down debt, but the when kicks in, so you're 0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.920 paying one hundred bucks x percentage of it goes to 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:10.400 tariffs if it's not US base goes right to the 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:14.080 US budget and thereby you're paying down the budget. Now 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:17.120 your next question of when, well, most estimates are ten 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:21.080 years plus, right, So the average consumer has to think 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:25.080 the when timeline is a little bit off. You know, 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.399 we're not going to see necessarily you're paying a hundred 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.520 bucks and then next week prices magically dropped. 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:30.919 Yep. 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:34.000 And I think the American, the average person, you know, 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:38.000 can I can live with this? 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:40.719 Three months six months, nine months, and now we're coming 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.040 out to nine months of the presidency. 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.799 It's a doubt. See how people are looking saying, why 0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:47.960 am I paying as much coalty? 0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:50.160 I get it right, We're not in the town. We've 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.160 seen this before, like the wars and stuff. We just 0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:54.520 you fight, America, just go. We'll just hang on for 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:56.880 a lot longer because we have the attention span of 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.320 a moth, which is pretty much non existent, and we 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.319 just okay, well, well look at the midterms and we'll 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:03.839 punish Republicans because it's not going fast enough, and then 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:06.040 a Democrat will come in and undo all this stuff 0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:07.840 and start their own policies, and that won't work, and 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.600 then we're back to Republican and meanwhile, the cost of 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.440 everything is going through the roof. I think in particulars, 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.040 you know, Dominic with beef, there's some outliers there in 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:17.880 addition to tariffs and not just fair to say terraces, 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.399 but we had a multi year drought that caused cattle 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:22.520 herts to shrink. We know that farmers are hit with that, 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:24.920 and production expenses went up, and I think we're down 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:28.160 by like seven to ten percent. Fewer ranches in America 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.600 number of cattle producing farms and America has gone down 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.600 over the past several years. We had to stop importing 0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.920 cattle from Mexico because of the screw worm, which is 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.560 a parasitic flesh eating maggot, I guess, And so we 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:42.640 all these factors in addition to the tariffs. 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.200 That doesn't help well, you know the other factor. To 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:51.080 me economically, I am very much the time thinking more 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.120 competition gives us more choices. Isn't it great when you 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.760 go when you could say I want to buy Argentinian beef, 0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.120 I want to buy a New Zealand lamb or whatever 0:39:59.120 --> 0:39:59.839 you want. 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.879 The problem with the tariffs is we're actually we're eliminating 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.520 to other choices. For the average consumer. You go there 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.840 and you have to buy whatever is the cheapest because 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:10.800 you're just trying to make a paycheck at this point. 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:13.960 That doesn't necessarily help very lucky. 0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:17.960 But the competition does reduce the prices and cause people 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:21.640 to say, hey, you know, let me make the choice, 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:24.320 and maybe it's equal and you choose Americans, And that's great, 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:26.759 right as an argument about. 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:28.120 That, right, Yeah, And I think the thing is we 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.120 heard that, I guess because of the tariffs America has 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.160 made I guess, and the taxes and the import tax 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:35.640 it would be some two hundred million. I forget with 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.160 the numbers. It's a lot of money, but that's not 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.439 getting sent back to the tax where the consumers. It's 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:42.839 going to, you know, the ranchers to not to make 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.880 offsets and other manufacturers get subs to the other countries 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:47.560 are getting that money back. It's not time to go 0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:51.160 to Argentina, right right, And none of us coming back 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:55.320 to the American consumer. Although some good news India. I 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.239 guess the US were close to coming up with a 0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:00.200 trade deal that could cut things from fifty percent sent 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.600 down to like fifteen percent, which would be huge. How 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:04.800 big a dent does that make to the consumer? Do 0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:05.440 we see that? 0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:10.280 I don't think we will because the other other factor 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.719 in all, if you're running a company in America and 0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:16.000 let's say you're not effected by tariffs, but all the 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:18.920 other prices and now going up by fifty percent, you're 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.200 going to raise your price. I mean, I've spoken to 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:26.280 many retailers who said, we are American based, and while 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.240 the theory was the tariff, you know, I guess raises 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:31.880 everyone else's prices and the American is there by cheaper 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:34.160 and reason up because why am I going to charge 0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:36.880 five bucks when everything else at ten? Souse, I'm just 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:38.920 making five bucks more now at this point. I'm raising 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:40.920 my price from five to ten at that point, and 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.520 the American consumer will take it because all the other 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:44.400 prices are now. 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.279 Right well at some point, I mean, you know, we 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.600 heard about the cost Well, we're going to eat the costs, 0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:52.000 eat the costs. Well, we know now that manufactures because 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:55.200 the data's out there that said they're passing two thirds 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:58.759 of stuff out of the consumer. So but how do 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.160 retail how did they You're in the ret how business dominic, mistery, 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:04.160 you know, how do they decide which tariff costs to absorb, 0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.040 which wants to pass on the consumers? And what what? 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:07.040 What factors end on that? 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.640 I mean, I'm actually not only see r TM nextus 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:15.600 the most board for Engaged three, a pricing company, and 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:17.640 we have these conversations. 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:20.520 All the time. It's what the consumer wants in the 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:25.600 sense that right now you're buying, are you going to 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.600 jump to one fifty tomorrow? Probably not. You might switch 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:29.360 to vegetables. 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.680 However, one hundred dollars beet for the next six months. 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:34.960 Your mindset starts to switch and you say, this is 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.920 normal now and right now. If you think we have 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.239 this mantra of the price of eggs, the price of eggs, 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.000 the price of eggs, it's not like the price of 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.640 eggs is less when Trump came to office. Now, I'm 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.480 not saying that in political sense. I'm saying in a 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:54.040 psychological sense. We we set as a as a society, 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:59.879 we all go, this must be normal. There's nothing wrong 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:04.920 about this whatsoever. And in fact, well, it isn't down. 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:08.000 You know, it's roughly where we were a year or 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:08.399 two ago. 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:08.759 Is that? 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:12.240 Yeah? I think that's true, especially in Dominican gas prices. 0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:15.640 Right when when the gas has been low recently, but 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:17.440 you know, hey, gas is up near for well, I 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.799 hits that magic. You know, even number four dollars, three 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:22.720 fifty four dollars gas four dollars agays this is outrageous. 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:25.800 But if it drops down to three seventy five, three fifty, 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:27.400 you're like, oh, okay, gas price is down, but a 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:31.560 year ago gas was three dollars. Callum, we forget we 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:32.200 absolutely do. 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:34.759 I mean I'm looking right now, live at the price 0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:38.280 of gas. It has been roughly the same and high 0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.560 since twenty twenty when it dipped when no one was 0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:43.360 using gas anyway during COVID. 0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:47.879 So we do say, hooray went from four to three. 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:51.000 Horay beef is now one hundred, it goes down to ninety. 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:53.960 And I think we have to almost look and the 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:55.600 data is there. You can go Google. 0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:56.279 Everyone on this. 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.320 Listening now can go immediately Google look at the price 0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:03.920 in historically these states and decide for themselves as voters, 0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:07.480 is this the policies they want and how long? And 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.920 the answer could be yes in certain circumstances. Now to me, 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.400 I will say, in my opinion, I think certain times 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:15.520 don't make any sense to me in a sense like 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.560 calling the premise being you're going to raise that American industry, 0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:24.439 but there's only one state that makes coffee. Yeah it's light, right, 0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:29.719 so why not all others? Gasoline is a good example. 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:33.839 I don't think we should be limiting resources, and there's 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:37.200 very few resources I think as a consumer makes sense. 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.040 To limit because this limits my choices. 0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:42.600 I enjoy going supermarket and having something different to try today. 0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:44.960 Yeah, well, by shut down a Keystone pipeline, we need 0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:46.680 more of that in the interim. I mean, you know, 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:49.040 clean energy is great, it's a great goal to have, 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:51.080 but for the least next hundred years, we're going to 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.560 dependent on fossil fuels. There's just no way around it, 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.640 because it's in everything we consume, not just your car, 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:59.600 but your clothes, your house, your your your coffee cup, 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:01.879 all this stuff. It's insane to think that we can 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:04.319 just flip a switch and make everything green. Dominic miss 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.680 Redino's the CEO of Retail Tech Media and Nexus RTM 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:11.840 mediaex dot Com, and he is a expert when it 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.920 comes to why stuff costs what it costs in the 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:18.799 retail environment, and specifically it's starting to I think we're 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.040 starting to see at the checkout coming what is the 0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.560 impact on like Kroger for example, Cincinnati based Kroger. 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.640 You know, all this comes down back to the consumer 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:32.200 in the sense that yes, is a question of passing 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:35.359 it on. But when you're limiting choices, what does the 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:39.120 consumer say? Generally, the consumer, when the price hits it, 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:42.480 we'll go into survival mode. So maybe you're not buying 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:44.839 the organic beat you want you to buy. You know, 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:50.279 maybe you're not buying this specialty localized and they're buying survival. 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:53.600 So I think the mindset switches to what the consumer needs. 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:57.879 M what about independent retailers or what about the little guy? 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:04.319 Or into me. If you're the average consumer listening on 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:07.360 this broadcast and you're thinking yourself, where am I going shopping? 0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:10.200 It's one hundred bucks people have. When they said that 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:12.879 out loud, they're every one can costco see it? Oh 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:17.080 buying that. They're not necessarily saying themselves, I'm going to 0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:21.360 go downtown to that specialty butcher to buy that's specialty 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:26.080 localized XYZ. Not because they don't want to, because the 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:30.080 price is it's survival of that, you know, for the 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:31.319 family pay the bill. Yeah. 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.279 Yeah, we've got the holidays coming up. So then there's 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:38.120 a factor of seasonal planning and holiday inventory. Are we 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.520 going to notice a difference and how much stuff in 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:43.040 stock is on shelves because you don't want to overbuy, 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:47.120 you don't underbuy, And it's a season starting earlier and 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.520 earlier because well, they're going to get their inventory and 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:50.479 when it's gone, it's gone. 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:53.320 I tell people the time him to start earlier for 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:56.480 the holidays. I'm already starting to see it. I'm talking 0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.839 to retail thing. Our inventory is shifting, we're running out 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:04.120 stuff more often than not, we're hitting those delays. I 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.560 don't think it's necessarily panic as much, and I don't 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:07.720 think talent it's ever the right answer. 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.080 It is planning. It's always planning over panic, right. 0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.719 Dominic As far as the big picture here and you 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:17.879 know the wall, Well, we're doing these teriffs because we're 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.719 going to repatriate American jobs. And I mean, are your suppliers, 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:25.320 are your the companies you represent, are they specifically seeking 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:29.960 American manufacturers and American trades people to supply them with 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:33.160 the goods that they need to stock their shelves to 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:33.799 be fair? 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:38.720 I think the answer, of course is it depends chip manufacturers, 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:43.839 chemicals dirty that Americans don't want. They're not coming back, 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.839 and nor maybe do we even want them to come back. 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:51.080 We don't necessarily want our kids going into minds, right 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:52.160 if we can avoid it. 0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:57.000 That said, if it's something that can be repatriated, but 0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:58.279 you know, you're not getting. 0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:00.640 Coffee coming to America anytime soon, You're not building a 0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:05.799 chick factory for ten years anytime soon. Those things are 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:10.640 definitely getting limited. So I think, uh, you know, one example, 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:12.480 I just spoke to an eyeglass company. 0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.680 She's like, the only people who can make these glasses. 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:21.000 Specialty, high end glasses are in Italy. She's like, I 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:23.560 can't get a factory. She's like, if I get them 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.359 to even even if I could immigrate them over which 0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:29.920 is another immigration question, how do I get the specialties 0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:32.279 specialty guy who's been doing this for fifty years to 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:36.760 come to Ohio and train the people on that craft 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:42.440 craft and artisanship and factories take awa. There are some 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:46.319 that might not woodworking, you know we have and there's 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:48.960 find things we do have in America, right we don't. 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:51.600 But when it comes to industries that need to be 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:59.640 recreated from scratch, you hear these factories overseas that we're 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:01.799 not going to. That's what you get American workers going 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:04.840 in at four dollars an hour anytime soon. Just not 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:07.720 the economics, but they have that instead. 0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:12.080 Yeah, nobody knows where this ends, is the thing. And 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:14.560 what happens over the next year or two years, because 0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:16.719 belts are tightening, and I think you know, your your 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:18.839 retailer see that at the counter, what people are buying 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.800 or not buying. You know, we look at the layoffs 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.160 of companies like P and G for example here in Cincinnati, 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.440 because they're forward looking, right, they're looking quarters ahead, going, well, 0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:29.600 you know what, people are buying cheaper laundry detersion, or 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:31.760 they're doing fewer loads of laundry. They'll still buying tide, 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:34.839 but they're doing fewer loads or trying to cram more 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.680 in their laundry. And so now we have to offset 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.319 that by well, we got to tighten our belts as well. 0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:43.040 So it's it seems like it's slow moving, but it's not. 0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.040 And the tariffs are coming on roots and longer it 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:47.400 goes on, we got to start seeing some payoffs at 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.480 some point, otherwise it's just going to be held to 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:52.920 pay here. I don't know how you can afford ground 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.120 beef at this point for the typical American family. I mean, 0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:57.800 it's my wife and I. We do fairly well, but 0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.759 family members are kids for example, like yeah, we can't 0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:04.320 buy we can't afford that anymore. And you start to 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:06.640 wonder the effect if this how much longer this can 0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:09.320 go on? He's Dominic mister and Dino, CEO at Retail 0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:13.960 Tech Media and Nexus Rtmnexus dot Com. Dominic always appreciate 0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:15.440 the insight. Thanks again, brother, I appreciate it. 0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:17.200 Thank you very much. We'll talk soon. 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:20.200 Take care. News on the way in just about four minutes, 0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:21.839 five minutes from now here in the Big one, seven 0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:26.319 hundred WLW back half the week is here at least. Yeah, 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:28.680 steak is now. It feel like a luxury man. And 0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:30.880 you know, if you go to Jeff Ruby's or Tony's 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:33.640 or any one of the fine steakhouses in the city 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:35.120 that we're blessed to have. You know, you look at 0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.719 some of these prices, you go, wow, that went up like, 0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:40.640 you know, twenty bucks since I last remembered it. Yeah, 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:42.600 there's a lot of sticker shot going and squeezing those 0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:45.359 guys too. So you want to see the worm turn here, 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:47.040 and you wonder if it ever is going to turn 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:48.480 at this point. I know nine months is not a 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:50.759 long time, but for Americans, nine months is a long time. 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:55.840 Just how it is. Seven hundred WLW. All right, here 0:50:55.920 --> 0:51:00.319 we go with drama in the National Basketball Association. Three 0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:05.000 mafia families have ties to some figures NBA players. You 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:08.760 got Chauncey Billups, a coach, you got players. It's incredible. 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:11.880 It's like Tony soprano James Gandelfini has come back to 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:16.480 life with Polly Walnuts and the rest of the crew 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:20.239 from the Sopranos, and like Jersey is representing today in 0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:23.040 the National Basketball Association, that's a huge developing store. We're 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:24.399 gonna have more in that coming up on the show 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:26.640 on seven hundred w W because I got feeling I 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.120 could be wrong about this, but somebody's gonna get whacked. 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:33.560 Somebody is gonna get whacked. And when whackings breakout, we 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:38.160 break in here on seven hundred WW Sloany and this morning. 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:40.680 And this affects all of us too. By the way, 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:42.640 I just tell you a story about the social media 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:45.480 and how they fed all the clickbait and all this 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:48.440 nonsense you read on social media into AI chatbots, and 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:52.160 it actually made aichat Ai dummer and more angry, which 0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:55.200 is it's measurable, and that's computer imagement's doing us. And 0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:57.520 of all the things to keep you awakened, that may 0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:00.239 be one thing. Some sixty to seventy million America have 0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:04.080 chronic sleep deprivation. Twenty two of us have sleep apnea. 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.040 Twenty two million people have sleep apnea. Insomnia effects about 0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:08.560 a third of the population, and third of adults in 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.080 four and ten say they often feel or fall asleep 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:14.960 at work. And if you're a truck driver, that's really concerning. 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:17.400 Some jobs you probably can get away with. There are 0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:19.880 times where I've admittedly fall asleep during the show and 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:22.759 no one noticed. But truck drivers that is bad. You're 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:26.680 flying an airplane bad. You're probably in somebody's heart doing surgery. 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:27.280 Bad. 0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:32.360 Talk show not so much. Sonjay shave A Crimani's on 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:34.520 the show this morning is in the air physician at 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.840 doctor Sonja Sincy with a y or. He intersects the 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:41.040 worlds of food and health and fitness and jumps in 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:42.880 the show this morning in studio this morning, How are 0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:45.120 you a coach? How are you doing doing well? Thanks 0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:48.120 for having I'm doing good, Thanks for coming in this morning. Okay, 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:50.759 so you're an your air physician in Cincinnati, but you're 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:54.120 also you're in the fitness realm as well. You hear 0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:55.799 the story and you probably see a lot of sleep 0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:57.719 apnea presents, and we know that you can get some 0:52:57.920 --> 0:53:00.719 very serious illness. You can die from sleep apnea. How 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.359 much how many undiagnosed the twenty two million, how many 0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:05.120 of those you think are undiagnosed, like the bulk of them. 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:07.800 I think it's probably the bulk. So I mean, to 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:10.880 have the diagnosis, you kind of have to see a doctor, 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:13.520 have the studies done right right. And some people you know, 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:15.359 are just getting slapped in the middle of the night 0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:18.359 by their partner in bed, being like you're snoring, when 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:20.959 it's actually it's something more serious than that, specifically sleep 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:21.680 apnan or. 0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:23.880 You just go into another bedroom of the couch exactly. 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:24.400 You can't stand it. 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:26.520 That's a new thing. It's sleep divorce. Yeah, you've heard 0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:28.600 of this thing. Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal. Yeah, 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:30.279 so people are starting to do that. But it's not 0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:33.280 like divorcing because of sleep. It's just sleeping in separate areas. 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.919 But that might actually be your clue that maybe there's 0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:38.440 something else going on other than you just can't sleep 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:40.640 well without the person or you can't stand your partner 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:41.680 like it would be something worse. 0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:43.520 Well, let's get how much how much of these sleep 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:45.359 problems that we have in America and it affects most 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.000 all of us. I mean, they say get between eight 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:50.640 you know, eight hours of sleep? Is that an actual goal? 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:52.400 Is that a hard fast number? Is it different? For 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:52.960 different people. 0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:55.160 So it's a pretty solid number. So seven to eight 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:58.000 hours is what we're shooting for. Something less than seven 0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:01.840 does start adding up. In fact, your performance in general 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:04.719 kind of decreases over time. So I actually went to 0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:08.160 this TED talk several years ago and the guy said, 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.279 you know, the first four hours of sleep is just 0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:12.880 to restore your body. That's all you're doing. You're repairing 0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:15.200 your body. But the next four hours is where your 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:17.960 brain regenerates. So like all that emotional stuff that you 0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:20.600 need to face your day, You need to face the 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:23.440 struggles of your day, the challenges, like that's what you 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:25.279 get in the next four hours, and you need those 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.560 next four hours, all of it to be your best 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:31.560 in those emotional situations. So yeah, we can survive, but 0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:34.160 we are not the best versions of ourselves while we're 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:36.839 just surviving. If we're getting four to six hours of sleep, 0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:39.279 it's ours seven and eight where we really get like 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:40.320 the maximum benefit. 0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:42.120 Can you make that up in the weekend when some 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:44.279 people go working really hard and then I mean, you 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.040 know you're an EER doc, So if you were crazy, 0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:47.720 do you sleep for like twelve hours? 0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:47.960 Is that? 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:49.120 Can you? 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:51.799 That would be a healthy right, But excuse the pun, 0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:54.880 if you could do that like a college. So the 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:57.839 whole idea of like banking sleep and getting it, there's 0:54:57.960 --> 0:54:59.840 there's a little bit of benefit there, but it's not 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:02.040 as much as we think. It's the it's the daily 0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:04.040 kind of thing we need to get. And this is 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:06.239 one of those Yeah, you just nailed it. Like as 0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:09.279 an er doc, my my schedule is crazy. It's days, 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.719 it's nights, it's weekends, it's all over the place. And 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:15.280 so that's why I hold sleep such in such importance 0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:18.040 in my life because it's it's not good, but it 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:21.640 is literally the foundation of my well being and everything else. 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:24.000 It is the number one thing. And you can ask 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:27.880 my fiance. I'm almost obsessive about my sleep, but I 0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:30.719 need to be because it's thrown off so often that 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:32.920 I have to do whatever I can to maximize it 0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:34.640 so I can be my best in every. 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:36.000 Realm in my life. And it's more like a shift 0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:37.680 work because you're you know, you're not, hey, I'm not 0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:39.640 a nine to five er doc. No, it's where they 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:42.040 need you in different times and for twelve hours at 0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:44.400 a time, right, or maybe longer in some cases. But 0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:46.120 that's true for a lot of people who work second 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.080 third shift. They wrote a cops do that, right. 0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:50.239 Yeah, and and it affects you over time. A lot 0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:52.839 of people love working nights for for good reason. It's 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:56.520 usually a cooler vibe, right, But turning around or sleeping 0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:58.239 during the day, it's just not what our bodies were 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.600 built to do. And over time that us I mean, 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:02.640 there's studies out there that you know, if you're if 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:05.040 you're a night shift worker, you literally die earlier than 0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.520 people who work dacious, right. And I've known this my 0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:09.960 entire career, and I'm just like, oh, I just accept it, 0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:12.839 and now I'm doing what I can to like die 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:13.759 a little later, I guess. 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:16.080 But it's yeah, well you know what I mean. Look, 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:17.359 we're going to have a time a year now, son 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:19.160 Jay where you don't see the sun. And if you 0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:22.239 work thirds, like I did that for a while, you 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.399 literally you don't see the sun at all. Ever. Yeah, 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:26.560 and we know that has a big, big effect on 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:29.120 the sleep cycles or Katie rhythms exactly, so like when 0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:30.480 when you wake up. 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:32.960 So the whole thing is people oftentimes say, watch your 0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:34.880 blue light at night before you go to bed, and 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:36.920 that's a that's a whole thing, or being exposed to 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:39.239 light in the last couple hours before you go to bed, 0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:42.759 but they're actually finding Also the morning time daylight is 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:45.000 really important, so like within an hour, getting ten to 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:47.680 fifteen minutes of light exposure in that hour. But if 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:50.840 it's dark outside, if you got one of the Cincinnati winters, 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:53.480 you're not going to see this the sun necessarily if 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:56.719 you're sleeping all day. And so it does affect the 0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:59.400 night shift workers over time. And it initially you may 0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:01.120 not feel it, or if you're young, but as we 0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:02.799 get older, it really starts adding up. 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:04.520 What about one of those happy lights. I've got one 0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:07.080 of those. I don't in the winter. Sometimes I'll plug 0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:09.080 it in at my desk or whatever and it throws 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:11.120 out simulates the sun. Does that work? Does that do anything? 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:12.840 It's something, It does a little something. 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:15.480 It's not as great as being out in nature being 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:18.080 exposed to the to the elements, but at the same time, 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:20.600 you'd be exposing yourself to the elements. And so it's 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.480 like fifteen degrees outside. Hell yeah, go right, go hit 0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:23.800 the light. 0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:25.680 Why do we do this? I mean you just hit 0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:28.240 on two things. You want that sunlight, that natural sunlight, 0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:30.320 early in the morning. Why not make an alarm clock 0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:31.560 that has a light hooked up to it and it 0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:33.840 gradually comes on and lights up the room? What about that? 0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:34.840 It's got your. 0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:38.320 Billion dollar idea has already been invented over and over again. 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:42.600 But but I had something again. But no, it exists. 0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:44.680 I forget the brand names for it, but they definitely exist, 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:47.680 and they slowly come on, slowly, Wake up. I'll tell you, 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:51.360 the smallest shred of light will have me up and 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:54.000 eyes open. So like, it's not great for me, but 0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:54.960 it works. 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.360 For some people. Sanjay Shave of Krimani's on the show. 0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:01.120 He's in our physician at doctor Sanjay Sincy and an 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:03.480 expert in fitness and food and health and fit. We're 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.920 talking about sleep this morning, which is a big deal. 0:58:06.000 --> 0:58:08.040 Most of us don't get the necessary seven to eight 0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:10.400 hours if you're getting sad. I'm like a seven guy myself, 0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:12.480 so I think I'm okay. But I noticed too, the 0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:14.080 older you get, you wake up in the middle of 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:15.560 the night and you're up for like two or three 0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:17.920 hour feels like you're up for hours? Right, yeah, what 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:19.040 is that? Why is that happen? 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:23.479 So the brain starts getting I mean, you're just getting old, Sloan, 0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:25.920 that's what it is. So your your brain starts. 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:27.720 Telling me about it because I'm limping around the studio 0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.000 just getting off crutches. Yeah, no, kitten, thanks, you and 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:32.400 me both are broken ankle shop jel. It's fine. 0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:36.160 But overtime, so when we're young, our brain knows what 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.960 to do, and over time our brain kind of forgets 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:40.880 what to do and how to sync with the cycle 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:42.960 of life. That's what That's what the current thought is. 0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:45.760 So as we get older, our brain's like, oh, it's 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:47.680 the middle of the night, maybe I'm supposed to be 0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:49.840 awake right now, as opposed to our younger brain that 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:52.120 is smarter. So yeah, we're just getting dark. It's dumb, 0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:52.680 and here we are. 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:54.680 I thought it was something to it, like I'm so 0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:56.680 efficient at sleep. I only need four or five hours 0:58:56.680 --> 0:58:58.480 and I wake up and I awake for two or three. 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:01.920 But I remember seeing something sign Jay years ago, a 0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:05.360 fascinating story about the history of sleep and how screwed 0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:08.360 up we got when electricity came on and you know, 0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.040 candle light things like because it used to be hey, 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:11.440 you and some goes down the fire go to bed 0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:13.520 at five o'clock and then get up in the but 0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:17.160 people would sleep for four hours, get up, they'd make babies, 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.480 they get the stuff ready to eat the next day, 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:22.920 get some firewood going, and then they go to bed. 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:23.960 They'd be up for a few hours and then go 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:27.920 to bed for So because human history is a relatively 0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:30.680 small sliver of our existence, so modern history we're talking 0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:33.840 about here, we're like genetically wired to wake up in 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:37.600 the middle of night some to some degree somewhat. 0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:39.760 I mean, we don't have a lot of evidence of 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:41.400 all of that stuff, but I'll tell you that. Like, 0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:44.880 what we've also found is different cultures need different amount 0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:47.200 of sleep. So like we say we need seven eight 0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:50.040 hours as humans, but it's actually kind of an American state. 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:51.840 I don't know what other countries there are, but some 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:56.160 countries actually require less sleep and you're okay, you're actually 0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:59.280 thriving at six. So it's kind of weird. So maybe 0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:01.240 that was a different culture back then too, where you 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:03.520 needed less sleep or needed to sleep in the middle 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:05.800 of the day. But you know, like European culture with 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:09.720 the siesta and everything that also works for them, And 1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:13.720 so it depends. But the kind of cumulative amount you 1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:16.280 need is seven or eight in today's world for the 1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:19.480 most part, now that we're all becoming semi one culture 1:00:19.480 --> 1:00:21.600 because we're all plugged into the same stuff, right right. 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:24.840 Okay, now that makes a lot of sense. So we're 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:26.880 also told, hey, you know you need a ten thousand 1:00:26.920 --> 1:00:29.680 dollars mattress that cools and heats you unless you up 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:31.600 and down all that stuff to get the best nice 1:00:31.600 --> 1:00:33.320 sleep in your life? Is that just marketing? Is are 1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:35.400 some truth in that? There's definitely truth to it. 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:39.560 I think you know, you got mattresses, you got supplements, 1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:43.360 you got all the other things out there. Mattress is important. 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:46.040 I mean I definitely invested in a good mattress and 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:49.240 a good pillow. But there's other things you can do, 1:00:49.480 --> 1:00:52.960 and specifically, you know temperature of your room, which a 1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:55.920 lot of people don't key in on. It's the light 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:58.160 that we just talked about. And then it's consistency of 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:01.160 sleep schedule, which coming from me, I mean, do as 1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:02.680 I say, not as I do on that one, because 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:07.720 I literally can't. But the the mattress quality is important. 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:09.960 I mean, if you're if you're sleeping on a bed 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:12.320 of rocks and that's something new to you, it's not 1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:13.640 gonna it's not gonna turn out well. 1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:16.600 If you toss and turn son, Jay, is that indicating 1:01:16.680 --> 1:01:18.560 indicating you a bad night's sleep or is it just 1:01:18.640 --> 1:01:20.480 your toster return Because I'm a tosser turn So. 1:01:20.560 --> 1:01:22.520 Are you a tosser and turner all night or is 1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:24.280 it a tosser and turner intermittently? 1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:26.760 I have no idea. I'm sleeping. Yeah, what I know, 1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:28.400 you're the doctor. 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:28.920 Tell me. 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:33.720 I asked a really good questions. Yeah, you definitely, you're 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:34.600 flipping all over the place. 1:01:34.800 --> 1:01:37.520 So, so you know, our body goes through the cycles 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:39.440 of sleep, and you know, we're light sleep, then we're 1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:42.040 deep sleep, and then there's the REM cycle where our 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:44.960 brain goes a little wild. That's when our dreams happen. 1:01:45.360 --> 1:01:47.800 And as we go on further in the night, typically 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:50.400 if we're if we're healthy, we'll have more and more 1:01:50.440 --> 1:01:53.280 REM cycles as the night goes on. And so it's 1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:55.760 not atypical for you to be tossing and turning, especially 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:57.960 like between if you're sleeping from eleven to seven, from 1:01:58.040 --> 1:01:59.720 three to seven, you're probably going to be tossing more 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:01.760 because you might toss more with your dreams because your 1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:04.600 brain's a little restless and doing all the rem things 1:02:04.640 --> 1:02:06.479 that it needs to do and having all the dreams. 1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:07.800 Yeah, it seems I wake up, it'll be like a 1:02:07.880 --> 1:02:09.440 solid four hours and you wake up and then you 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:11.040 go to the bathroom or whatever. And that's the other 1:02:11.080 --> 1:02:12.480 thing too, is you get older, you tend to go 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:13.280 to the bathroom more. 1:02:13.480 --> 1:02:16.120 Yeah, it's it's all you know, you and I, I 1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:18.400 mean for the whole my part where we're definitely the 1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:21.400 four hour wake up guys now and it doesn't matter 1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:21.920 what I do. 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:24.160 And and now are their ankle bros. You know, with 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:25.320 with those injuries. 1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:27.000 I have a little more swelling in my ankle now 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:29.360 than I used to. And so that just that's what 1:02:29.520 --> 1:02:30.960 goes in the middle of the night, wake up and 1:02:31.000 --> 1:02:32.040 go should you just get up? 1:02:32.080 --> 1:02:33.880 And if it's like, Okay, I'm wide awake, I feel good, 1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:35.360 should I just go up and do something and then 1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:37.479 come back to bed later. So it's a great point. 1:02:37.600 --> 1:02:39.480 You makes a long So a lot of people are like, oh, 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:41.320 I'm just gonna stay in bed, I'm gonna I'm gonna sleep, 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:43.040 I'm gonna sleep, I'm gonna sleep, I'm gonna get back 1:02:43.040 --> 1:02:45.040 to sleep. But one of the best things you can 1:02:45.080 --> 1:02:48.200 do sometimes is get up and move around and change 1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:50.160 your environment just for a little bit and come back 1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:52.960 to bed. You don't want to necessarily like play a 1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:55.560 video game or look at a screen or maybe even 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:57.600 even look at an e reader. You just kind of 1:02:57.640 --> 1:02:59.560 want to move your environment a little bit. Don't eat, 1:02:59.560 --> 1:03:02.200 don't drink anything, but just move a little bit, come 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:04.440 back to bed and try again as opposed to just 1:03:04.600 --> 1:03:07.560 willing it to be just lying in bed, because when 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:09.920 we force something like that, it just never turns out good. 1:03:10.120 --> 1:03:13.600 Yeah, a sign shave a Karani's on his e our physician, 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:16.600 and we're talking about health and fitness and well and sleep. 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:19.080 It's it is a big thing. Especially we're going to 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:21.520 have the time change here in a little bit. That 1:03:21.600 --> 1:03:24.640 always screws people up. Yep, you know, our gain, our 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:26.200 lost whatever. But at the end of the day, your 1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:28.480 body still has to adjust to these whole things. And 1:03:28.640 --> 1:03:29.800 you may be getting up in the middle of the 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:31.480 night and you're tossing and turning. What does that mean 1:03:31.520 --> 1:03:33.400 to I need a better mattress? Is the room comfortable? 1:03:33.440 --> 1:03:35.680 These things? And I'll come full circle on this because 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:38.240 we're talking about how social media pollutes the brain, and 1:03:38.440 --> 1:03:41.160 they tested with AI and it it's making AI dumber. 1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:44.200 If they feeded a steady dye a clickbait, what does 1:03:44.240 --> 1:03:46.400 that say about me and you? I think that's the 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:48.720 other thing is do most people who is you know, 1:03:48.800 --> 1:03:51.160 we talked about sleep ATNEAN. We've talked about other reasons 1:03:51.200 --> 1:03:53.360 why people don't get a good night's sleep. But how 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:55.520 much of this is by you know, just life baggage? 1:03:55.560 --> 1:03:58.480 You know, we're consuming news, we're online and reading all 1:03:58.520 --> 1:03:59.919 this stuff, and then you wake up and you start 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:01.960 thinking about it, and then you have this fear and 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:05.400 you start getting the cycle, this mental cycle, and now 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:07.000 all of a sudden, that's where the I always say, 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:08.640 you know, nighttime, that's when the demons come out in 1:04:08.640 --> 1:04:11.160 your head when it's quiet and you start thinking fatalist 1:04:11.200 --> 1:04:13.680 things and horrible things. And how do you break that cycle? 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:15.680 And how much does that contribute to what we're talking about? 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:18.560 It is a great question because the two things that 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:20.760 we're keying in on here is one the use of 1:04:20.800 --> 1:04:23.360 the phone in general. So you have blue light, you know, 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:26.000 shooting into your eyeballs and it's waking up your brain 1:04:26.560 --> 1:04:28.640 while you're using it. And so we really want to 1:04:29.000 --> 1:04:32.200 turn that off literally at least one hour before bed 1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:36.400 with any like any device, tablets, phones, et cetera, to 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:38.520 allow our brains to rest a little bit. And then 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:40.280 you have the issue of well, the content of that 1:04:40.680 --> 1:04:42.680 and what it's doing to you and adding to your 1:04:42.680 --> 1:04:45.720 stress and anxiety, especially taking in world events, et cetera, 1:04:45.800 --> 1:04:48.440 but maybe even your own personal stuff. Right, your brain's 1:04:48.520 --> 1:04:50.520 just going and it is hard to calm down. And 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:52.400 a lot of people say, you know, I got to 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:54.320 read before I go to bed, or I got to 1:04:54.360 --> 1:04:55.720 get my news in before I go to bed, and 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:58.960 it's actually working for me. You've probably conditioned your brain, 1:04:59.160 --> 1:05:01.560 like watching TV before bed, which a lot of people do. 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:04.880 My best friend falls asleep watching TV every night. You 1:05:05.000 --> 1:05:06.919 probably condition your brain to say, oh, that's the TV. 1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:08.560 I'm going to go to sleep now, okay, right, but 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:10.760 you're not going to get good sleep, so your brain's 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:13.240 going to be kind of still going with all of 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:16.439 that stuff, still processing it, and then you know, you'll 1:05:16.480 --> 1:05:18.200 have one of those middle of the night wake ups, 1:05:18.240 --> 1:05:20.920 like you're talking about, everything's quiet, and that's the time 1:05:20.960 --> 1:05:23.360 when your brain shows up and has a party, and 1:05:23.480 --> 1:05:25.720 so it's really hard to fall asleep when there's stuff, 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:28.000 you know, when you're taking in stuff right before you. 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:28.400 Go to bed. 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:30.480 You should tell my wife this because she'll sit there 1:05:30.520 --> 1:05:32.880 and scroll TikTok for like an hour, yeah, and then 1:05:32.960 --> 1:05:35.800 go put it down, and she's sleeping in thirty seconds 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:37.120 and sleeps with straight eight hours. 1:05:37.360 --> 1:05:40.520 I mean, there's superhumans among us. They're superhumans out there, 1:05:40.640 --> 1:05:42.320 and I am definitely not one of them. 1:05:42.760 --> 1:05:44.840 I can't. I can't. I get my iPad. But I'm 1:05:44.920 --> 1:05:47.520 reading a book, yeah, you know, and something that's like history, 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:50.040 or I'm reading a book about George Remis from Cincinnati 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:52.120 here of all things, and yeah, it takes you know, 1:05:52.240 --> 1:05:53.960 for me, I read like a half a chapter and 1:05:54.000 --> 1:05:56.560 fall asleep. So I try to find boring topics and 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:58.240 things like that and not to get all worked up 1:05:58.280 --> 1:06:00.360 and just you know falls. There's two ways as far 1:06:00.400 --> 1:06:01.240 as content goes. 1:06:01.280 --> 1:06:04.760 So my fiance was reading this boring book and literally 1:06:04.840 --> 1:06:07.640 she read two lines every night and she out and 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:10.480 it was, you know, it was this like really scientific book. 1:06:10.520 --> 1:06:10.720 And she. 1:06:12.400 --> 1:06:12.640 Works. 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:17.520 But I prefer actually reading fiction on a on like 1:06:17.600 --> 1:06:19.840 a Kindle e reader, so you get a little less 1:06:19.840 --> 1:06:22.120 blue light coming out, but there's still some lights are 1:06:22.160 --> 1:06:24.400 out and I read fiction because it just sends me 1:06:24.520 --> 1:06:28.160 into like fantasy world and I'm in a dream zone. 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:28.360 Now. 1:06:28.600 --> 1:06:30.640 Some people will say that e readers do admit the 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:33.439 well they do. They emit some light, so you're kind 1:06:33.480 --> 1:06:35.920 of affecting yourself a little bit. So, but you know 1:06:36.040 --> 1:06:37.320 what's the other way you're going to do it is 1:06:37.400 --> 1:06:39.320 have a light above your head right, and that's hitting 1:06:39.360 --> 1:06:40.640 their book and now it's hitting your eyebo. 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:43.360 The dark background with the light white light right is 1:06:43.520 --> 1:06:45.120 exactly that's mode or whatever. 1:06:45.240 --> 1:06:47.080 You definitely want nightmode if you're using like one of 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:50.120 those fancy tablets e readers as opposed to like the kindle. 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:54.880 You know, where are you on melatonin? I So I 1:06:55.000 --> 1:06:56.600 think we're using too much melotone? 1:06:56.640 --> 1:06:56.760 Right? 1:06:56.800 --> 1:06:59.840 So the effective dose is like this zero point three 1:07:00.040 --> 1:07:03.240 to zero point five literally, and people are dropping like 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:06.000 twenty milligrams a night, and you know it's okay. There 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:09.000 you get to a plateau point where it's just not 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:11.640 as effective. So what melatonin does for us is it 1:07:11.720 --> 1:07:14.840 says it's nighttime, and that's all it does. It doesn't 1:07:14.840 --> 1:07:16.920 say I'm going to keep you asleep or anything like that. 1:07:17.080 --> 1:07:19.800 It just sets your clock and says it's nighttime great 1:07:19.920 --> 1:07:22.920 for like if you've been working nights or if your 1:07:22.960 --> 1:07:25.320 sleep's been off a little bit, just to use sparingly 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:29.000 every now and then. Now I use melotone in kind 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:33.760 of a combination with a couple other things a couple 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:36.720 of times, maybe one or two times a week, but 1:07:36.800 --> 1:07:38.840 it's usually when I'm flipping or I haven't had a 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:41.360 good sleep and my body's just thrown off for a wheit. 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:41.720 It's fine. 1:07:41.720 --> 1:07:43.800 I'm more frequent than that. I probably should back it up, 1:07:43.840 --> 1:07:45.240 but I but again, I've noticed so I take like 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:47.680 it's like a three milligram cheble that was too much 1:07:47.720 --> 1:07:49.240 for me. I would I like take a third of that? 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:50.040 Yeah? 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:52.600 And where'd you feel it was too much? What time 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:53.959 of the day? Like I don't know, Like I didn't 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:56.840 want to wake up, Like I don't feel rested, Like 1:07:57.000 --> 1:07:58.480 maybe it's too much of this stuff. Yeah. 1:07:58.600 --> 1:08:02.040 I so I've about it twelve hour period that I 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:04.600 have to give myself where I'm going to be awake again, Yeah, 1:08:04.960 --> 1:08:06.600 because I'm going to be groggy as hell if I 1:08:06.720 --> 1:08:08.840 take something even one and a half milligrams, I'm going 1:08:08.880 --> 1:08:10.320 to be groggy afterwards. So you kind of want to 1:08:10.360 --> 1:08:12.440 take it a little bit earlier. Now the packaging will 1:08:12.440 --> 1:08:15.120 say twenty to thirty minutes before you sleep. I give 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:16.680 myself a little more time if I'm only going to 1:08:16.680 --> 1:08:17.559 be sleeping eight hours. 1:08:17.680 --> 1:08:19.439 Yeah, yeah, now you really want to sleep, you know 1:08:19.680 --> 1:08:22.320 some some NIGHTQ will four or five of those Talon 1:08:22.320 --> 1:08:24.439 al pms and a half a like a fifth of 1:08:24.720 --> 1:08:27.439 jim Beam and you're good. You sleep like not doctor baby, 1:08:27.640 --> 1:08:31.160 like a baby. That's just all right, Doctor Sanjay. He's 1:08:31.280 --> 1:08:34.800 our physician health food fitness at doctor Sanjay Sinci with 1:08:34.920 --> 1:08:37.800 why two wives and there and thanks for coming to 1:08:37.840 --> 1:08:39.600 this far. It's great to talk to you. I the 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:42.479 I love the intersection of medicine and health and just 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:43.760 common sense kind of stuff there. 1:08:43.840 --> 1:08:46.439 Yeah, I appreciate the time, Sloan. It's just it is 1:08:46.560 --> 1:08:48.799 all one to me, and it all kind of feeds 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:51.519 into each other back and forth. You know, having a 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:54.200 better life while you're awake will make you sleep better 1:08:54.400 --> 1:08:56.880 U versus. Yeah, so it's all health to me. 1:08:56.920 --> 1:08:58.479 All right. Good, So weether that's on the regular I 1:08:58.520 --> 1:09:00.519 think anyway, Doctor Sanjay, thanks you again. We got to 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:03.200 get to a news update. The NBA has apparently falling apart. 1:09:03.280 --> 1:09:07.320 We have the mobsters, my people, Lakos on Ostra, Tony Soprano, 1:09:07.640 --> 1:09:10.840 all those guys involved in the NBA. What details seconds 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:12.799 away here seven hundred ww Cincinnati. 1:09:12.880 --> 1:09:14.680 You don't want to be an American. 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:18.600 I'm flowing in with you this morning out seven hundred WWT. 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:20.519 Somebody asked the question, I don't know who it was. 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:25.040 Why is the price of hospital services gone up two 1:09:25.200 --> 1:09:28.559 hundred and twenty percent? I said, two hundred and twenty 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:32.080 percent since two thousand and that is roughly what four 1:09:32.160 --> 1:09:33.400 times faster than inflation. 1:09:34.360 --> 1:09:34.479 Uh. 1:09:34.520 --> 1:09:36.599 There's a group called Hospital Facts at Org. They launched 1:09:36.600 --> 1:09:39.880 an initiative to figure out why. And they think it's waste, 1:09:39.920 --> 1:09:43.640 its fraud, its abuse at at hospital. Jerry Rogers is here. 1:09:43.720 --> 1:09:46.160 Jerry's with a Real Clear Health, part of the Real 1:09:46.200 --> 1:09:48.080 Clear system. Jerry, welcome to the show. How are you. 1:09:49.080 --> 1:09:52.479 I'm I'm blessed, I'm good. You know it's it's not 1:09:52.760 --> 1:09:56.080 just waste, fraud and abuse with the hospitals. It's it's 1:09:56.240 --> 1:10:00.839 bad policy, it's bad business, it's bad health, it's bad science. 1:10:01.560 --> 1:10:06.519 Because hospitals aren't part of the discussion in terms of 1:10:06.920 --> 1:10:11.200 the healthcare system, we hear much about big, big band pharmo. 1:10:11.400 --> 1:10:14.320 We hear about the insurance companies and all the rest 1:10:14.400 --> 1:10:18.280 of it, but the hospital costs are breaking the budget. 1:10:19.320 --> 1:10:23.439 Americans spend well over a trillion dollars on hospital costs. 1:10:23.840 --> 1:10:26.080 And the reasons besides the fact that no one ever 1:10:26.200 --> 1:10:30.240 discusses them in terms of Medicaid cuts, the healthcare systems 1:10:30.240 --> 1:10:33.720 and all the rest. But it's also because of hospital consolidation, 1:10:34.280 --> 1:10:38.160 because there's no transparency in pricing, the list of pricing 1:10:38.240 --> 1:10:40.600 when you go imagine going to the grocery store and 1:10:41.040 --> 1:10:44.519 nothing at no price is listed. This is what we 1:10:44.640 --> 1:10:47.320 have in our hospital system. And of course also you know, 1:10:47.560 --> 1:10:52.120 we have this it's called site neutral payment reform, which 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:54.519 would fix the fact that if you go to a 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:59.200 hospital for a Medicare procedure, get a shot, whatever it 1:10:59.280 --> 1:11:02.000 might be, it costs more in the hospital than it 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:05.320 does the doctor's office because hospitals are fee for service, 1:11:05.640 --> 1:11:10.720 so it's in their best economic interest to uh just 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:16.120 make the charges skyrocket for individual tests and therapies. 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:16.559 Yeah. 1:11:16.560 --> 1:11:18.280 I think that's a good point because in the past 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:21.240 I've talked about, you know, pharmaceutical companies, which certainly deserve 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:23.120 to get their investment back in R and D, and 1:11:23.200 --> 1:11:26.439 I have you know, I look at big pharma pharmaceutical companies, go, 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:29.479 I get how the model is because they invest in 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:31.880 a tremendous amount of stuff ahead of before they can 1:11:31.920 --> 1:11:33.720 start to take a profit off, and not not every 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:34.599 drug is profitable. 1:11:34.600 --> 1:11:38.960 I understand that three billion dollars. It's three billion dollars. 1:11:40.280 --> 1:11:45.240 Everyone thinks about the blockbuster, blockbuster buster, blockbuster drugs. But 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:48.120 the fact of the matter is is that most big 1:11:48.240 --> 1:11:52.280 medicines fail. And so you know, and it's a it's 1:11:52.280 --> 1:11:55.280 a it's a fracture of the healthcare dollars. The major 1:11:55.439 --> 1:12:00.679 costs in our healthcare system are hospitals, not medicines. Medicines 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:02.080 keep us out of the hospital. 1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:05.599 Yeah, that makes sense. The pharmacy benefit manager's got an 1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:08.320 issue with them and insurance companies, but no one really 1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:11.320 talks about, as you mentioned though, the hospitals themselves. When 1:12:11.360 --> 1:12:14.599 you talk about hospital services, is that beyond or including 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:17.760 the actual physical treatment you get from a practitioner. 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:21.559 Well, here's the thing in terms of I mean, yes, 1:12:21.840 --> 1:12:24.360 so God forbid, you have to be in the hospital, 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:27.720 and once you're there, they want to load you up 1:12:27.880 --> 1:12:31.599 with various tests, whether you need them or not. Now, listen, 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:35.800 if there was a menu of prices, Hey sir, ma'am, 1:12:35.880 --> 1:12:39.240 you're in the hospital, we might as well check for this. Okay, 1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:42.519 what does it cost? No one can answer that question. 1:12:42.840 --> 1:12:46.120 The technicians, the nurses, and there's practitions, the doctors, the 1:12:46.200 --> 1:12:49.160 folks coming in and out. Even the business the business 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:52.160 associates of hospitals that you know, have you sign the paperwork, 1:12:52.200 --> 1:12:54.920 can't tell you what things cost. So I'm not saying 1:12:55.040 --> 1:13:00.240 that tests or therapies or items of the hospital does 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:03.120 for you while you're there are bad. No, but we 1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:07.400 don't know what they cost. And again, we could fix this. 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:11.599 Yet Washington is very good at not fixing problems. They complain, 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:15.439 they cry, they whine, But this is a pretty easy fix. 1:13:15.600 --> 1:13:20.479 And you know, again, demand and enforce price transparency. In 1:13:20.520 --> 1:13:22.479 other words, when I'm at the hospital, I know what 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:30.960 things cost. Second is we should allow for a senior specifically, 1:13:31.080 --> 1:13:34.080 or any patient to go to their doctor's office for 1:13:34.280 --> 1:13:38.280 certain tests or interventions because it costs less. So this 1:13:38.400 --> 1:13:42.240 is why you see the hospital consolidation because they want 1:13:42.280 --> 1:13:46.679 to charge more. Medicare ironically will charge more or allow 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:49.920 for a higher payment for a test done in the hospital. 1:13:50.120 --> 1:13:53.000 So our hospital is doing They're going around and they 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:56.600 are buying up medical practices. So therefore, when you go 1:13:56.680 --> 1:13:58.920 to your doctor, you're really at the hospital and you're 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:00.759 paying the hospital as a network. 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:03.000 So you see all these physicians groups that pop up 1:14:03.040 --> 1:14:06.040 and it's by ex hospital. Well, that's exactly why it's 1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:08.600 because it's more money for them and consolidation all that. 1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:10.759 I don't know if it leads to better health outcomes, 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:13.320 but based on the metrics that we have now, Jerry Rodgers, 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:16.360 the answer would be no, we're getting sicker despite spending 1:14:16.439 --> 1:14:19.360 more and more on healthcare costs in the United States 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:21.680 of America, and on that too. Could I just back 1:14:21.760 --> 1:14:23.920 up a second, go all right, at first plus you 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:26.160 go on, okay, to what two hundred and twenty percent 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:29.200 cost increase is two thousand for healthcare or I guess 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:31.880 hospital services anyway goes up to two hundred and twenty percent, 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:35.240 four times faster than inflash, right. Could I blame that 1:14:35.360 --> 1:14:37.880 on COVID and then the increased labor costs in the 1:14:37.920 --> 1:14:40.360 shrinking job market, so you've got to pay labor more 1:14:40.439 --> 1:14:43.240 to get people. And then of course baby boomers getting 1:14:43.280 --> 1:14:46.200 old or ancient in some cases. Doesn't that all add 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:46.360 up to? 1:14:46.600 --> 1:14:50.680 So why well, yes and no, right, COVID put a 1:14:50.720 --> 1:14:54.320 strain on the system, but again because you made bad 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:59.120 political choices in it. During COVID, we actually drove medical 1:14:59.160 --> 1:15:02.720 practices into bankruptcy. During COVID, we closed them down. We 1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:07.480 made it more difficult for nurses and physicians and technicians 1:15:07.600 --> 1:15:12.000 to serve during COVID because we had vaccine mandates. During COVID, 1:15:12.360 --> 1:15:14.920 When we followed the science, things went well. When we 1:15:15.080 --> 1:15:18.559 followed the politics, everything went sideways. And so, yeah, you're right, 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:21.759 there's after effects of COVID, but those were political choices, 1:15:22.240 --> 1:15:25.880 not not health choices. Number one. But remember this too. 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:29.840 We have a shrinking position base because it's more it's 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:32.799 impossible to become a doctor in this country, the costs, 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:38.560 the liability, and also we're importing jobs for physicians and 1:15:38.680 --> 1:15:40.920 nurses when we should be looking for homegrown talent. We're 1:15:40.960 --> 1:15:45.040 not doing that. But here's here's the kicker though. It's 1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:48.519 not just where we have too few doctors or nurses. 1:15:48.720 --> 1:15:50.960 The fact is that we have too many administrators, too 1:15:51.040 --> 1:15:53.719 many executives. I'll give you an example. The Cleveland Clinic 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:58.920 pays a million nonprofit hospital. But Cleveland Clinic pays a 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:03.400 million dollars piece to twenty two executives. In the same system, 1:16:03.800 --> 1:16:09.000 the Cleveland Clinic, thirty individuals, executives, administrators get five hundred 1:16:09.040 --> 1:16:13.880 thousand dollars a piece. These are huge salaries. This is 1:16:14.240 --> 1:16:16.840 not money going to your health, not money going to doctors. 1:16:16.880 --> 1:16:21.479 Are more nurses, money going to essentially pencil pushers. And 1:16:21.560 --> 1:16:22.559 that's part of the problem too. 1:16:23.479 --> 1:16:26.320 Jerry Rogers here from real clear health and cost of 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:28.679 hospital services has gone up two hundred and twenty percent 1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:31.639 since two thousand, about four times Fastian inflation. And it's 1:16:31.680 --> 1:16:34.280 fair to look at that and go why when it's 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:37.400 put in the context of well pharmaceutical companies gouging us 1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:42.719 with pharmacy benefit managers insurance costs. But the hospitals themselves 1:16:43.200 --> 1:16:45.240 are making some money here. Yet at the same time, though, 1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:47.840 and here's the paradox, we have so many rural and 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:50.280 other hospitals closing right now. How do we explain that. 1:16:51.479 --> 1:16:56.479 Well, again, it's because of three P forty B. You 1:16:56.640 --> 1:17:00.879 mentioned PBM, So three forty B pricing is a mechanism 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:05.200 for rural areas, rural hospitals, they very poor the folks 1:17:05.240 --> 1:17:10.519 who need care. There's a rebate or a discount that 1:17:10.680 --> 1:17:14.200 hospitals are given. But what's happening instead is because of consolidation, 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:18.519 hospital systems are purchasing rural hospitals. They're getting the three 1:17:18.520 --> 1:17:22.560 point forty B benefit, and they're not using it to 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:26.559 service the poor or the rural community. Rather, they're using 1:17:26.640 --> 1:17:31.120 it to attract other consumers. Not you know, they look 1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:35.519 at patients as consumers. And what's happening because the very 1:17:35.600 --> 1:17:39.320 poor communities aren't being served, the facilities aren't being served, 1:17:39.800 --> 1:17:43.040 the facilities closed. So you and you mentioned PVMs, the 1:17:43.960 --> 1:17:48.160 pharmacy benefit benefit managers, so your listeners understand these are 1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:53.479 middlemen who are profits servens who literally take profits I'm sorry, 1:17:53.520 --> 1:17:57.559 who take rebas and discounts away from patients and they 1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:00.920 keep them in pocket them themselves. Again, maybe thirty years 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:03.280 ago we needed the PBM system, I have no idea. 1:18:03.520 --> 1:18:06.000 We certainly don't need it today. But part of the 1:18:06.080 --> 1:18:10.000 reason why rural hospitals are closing and seeing a massive 1:18:10.640 --> 1:18:13.880 problems is because of these middle men, because of three 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:18.880 forty B abusion of the three forty B program, and 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:22.000 there's lots of reasons and again these are all physical 1:18:22.120 --> 1:18:25.880 right now before Congress, there are reforms for both three 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:29.080 forty B and the PBM crisis. Let's see what Congress does. 1:18:29.439 --> 1:18:33.840 Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we elect these clowns. Why why 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:35.559 are we We're sending them there? And they wind up 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:37.920 doing this to us and then they scream like their 1:18:37.920 --> 1:18:40.160 hairs on fire. It seems like, you know, we got 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:42.839 a rial. We did a new bunch of elected officials. 1:18:42.880 --> 1:18:47.320 It sounds like Jerry again. I know, throw throw, throw 1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:52.400 them out. But there are The problem again is is that, well, 1:18:52.479 --> 1:18:54.040 we need to fix the whole system. 1:18:54.200 --> 1:18:54.240 No. 1:18:54.880 --> 1:18:57.320 I'm old enough to remember when Uke Dindrich became Speaker 1:18:57.360 --> 1:18:58.840 of the House and he said, look, we're not going 1:18:58.920 --> 1:19:01.400 to reform everything all at once. We have to get 1:19:01.439 --> 1:19:04.400 to hold over bread. Let's get to slice here, sliced there. 1:19:04.680 --> 1:19:07.160 And I think the same is true on healthcare costs, 1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:09.320 on hospital costs, and that as we can do, we 1:19:09.439 --> 1:19:12.040 can do. We can do slices of reform. For instance, 1:19:12.920 --> 1:19:17.679 price transparency. Have hospitals, uh lift and be transparent about 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:19.000 their prices. How thought we heard that? 1:19:19.120 --> 1:19:21.599 Didn't we didn't? Didn't they say, oh, yeah, we've got choice. Well, 1:19:21.960 --> 1:19:23.759 we enacted a law and a role that we don't. 1:19:23.640 --> 1:19:28.320 Enforce, thank you very much. And imagine if we enforce 1:19:28.439 --> 1:19:34.280 the reforms already. But that's a choice, right, I mean, accountability, responsibility, 1:19:34.360 --> 1:19:37.240 These are choices, and perhaps the laws doesn't have the 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:41.800 proper teeth or there is enough conversation about it. Look 1:19:41.840 --> 1:19:43.920 how many people today waking up. There's so much going 1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:45.880 on in the world, you know this, right, the world's 1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:49.679 on fire. And so we don't care about hospital costs 1:19:49.760 --> 1:19:51.400 or even healthcare costs until we have the word of 1:19:51.400 --> 1:19:54.519 a doctor, and so it's not a sustained conversation. This 1:19:54.640 --> 1:19:56.320 is the problem with the twenty first of a news cycle. 1:19:56.560 --> 1:19:58.680 We're always going to the next bit, oh, to the 1:19:58.760 --> 1:20:01.559 next big news story, and the problems that impacts us 1:20:01.600 --> 1:20:05.680 every single day we forget about until it becomes an 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:08.919 urgent matter. So we need to focus on the importance. 1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:12.080 So the importance never becomes the urgent. Once it's urgent, 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:13.680 then it's like, oh my goodness, what do we do? 1:20:13.960 --> 1:20:15.639 And we quit and we and we just stopped talking 1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:17.200 about it, and we just we just you know what, 1:20:17.320 --> 1:20:20.320 I'll just pay the pay the bill. Well, it shouldn't 1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:20.880 have to be that way. 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:23.519 Yeah, we can only remember three things at a time, 1:20:23.560 --> 1:20:26.320 maybe two as we get older, and one if you're lucky. 1:20:26.240 --> 1:20:26.320 So. 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:29.920 It might change to half a thing. 1:20:30.000 --> 1:20:30.760 I know that. 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:33.360 I joke with my kids, you know, what's the diet? 1:20:33.400 --> 1:20:34.960 What's the diet sandwich? That half of. 1:20:36.880 --> 1:20:37.000 You know? 1:20:37.080 --> 1:20:38.960 I can remember half a thing. But you know what 1:20:39.280 --> 1:20:41.519 I do think we have to have a focused, sustained 1:20:41.920 --> 1:20:44.400 conversation here. And it looks a lot of healthcare reforms 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:47.240 happening on a state level, and so folks and your 1:20:47.560 --> 1:20:51.840 your listeners should be talking to their state legislators because 1:20:51.840 --> 1:20:55.760 you put pressure on them to have reforms in the states. Remember, uh, 1:20:55.800 --> 1:21:00.360 you know, federalism, states can do things that proved to 1:21:00.400 --> 1:21:04.000 be a model for what Washington count do. I would 1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:07.200 encourage your listeners to go out and contact your state legislators, 1:21:07.400 --> 1:21:10.320 get involved in whether it's healthcare issues or or or 1:21:10.320 --> 1:21:13.360 if it's policing, or it's criminal justice or whatever it 1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:16.200 might be. Go and pressure your state legislators to do 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:18.439 the right thing. Because I used to work for a 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:21.640 state rep in New Jersey years ago, and I'm telling you, 1:21:21.760 --> 1:21:26.360 every single day, dozens of constituents would drop in and 1:21:26.560 --> 1:21:28.720 we listened to them we had to. They were they were, 1:21:28.840 --> 1:21:32.040 they were present, and these were good conversations that moved 1:21:32.120 --> 1:21:35.240 my boss to do things in the state capitol so 1:21:35.320 --> 1:21:39.200 there we could get good outcomes. You know people. An 1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:42.160 old friend of mine and my mentor at the Competive Enterprises, 1:21:42.280 --> 1:21:44.280 Tod frend Smith, used to say that people in politics 1:21:44.320 --> 1:21:46.880 are stupid because they're smart. In other words, they're paying 1:21:46.880 --> 1:21:49.639 attention to they're paying attention to the to the things 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:53.160 that matter most of them, Uh, their tuitions, their their kids, 1:21:53.240 --> 1:21:55.880 baseball practice, you know, putting dinner on the table. Uh, 1:21:55.920 --> 1:21:58.160 And they don't think about the larger political things until 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:01.120 unfortunately it's too late. I would again encourage folks to 1:22:01.160 --> 1:22:03.639 pay attention to these political things. But it does matter 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:05.040 to your personal life, It really does. 1:22:05.320 --> 1:22:07.280 And that's the thing. It's not the party politics. And 1:22:07.320 --> 1:22:08.800 I've got to be on one side or the other. 1:22:09.080 --> 1:22:11.559 And even if my guy or girl does something stupid, 1:22:11.600 --> 1:22:13.599 I can never call them out. No, we were supposed 1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:16.920 to do that. We've got to distrust government more, especially 1:22:17.720 --> 1:22:19.280 at the more federal levels of that. And on that 1:22:19.320 --> 1:22:22.320 point to you know, you brought something earlier, Jerry, about 1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:25.720 hospitals or hospitalists anyway or doctors and ordering all these 1:22:25.800 --> 1:22:27.560 tests and driving the cost. But that's also part of 1:22:27.600 --> 1:22:30.600 the problem, right, It's because you have hospital administrators, you 1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:33.640 have lawyers that they have that they're afraid of. You 1:22:33.720 --> 1:22:35.920 had the federal and state governments all looking over your 1:22:35.960 --> 1:22:38.120 shoulder before you even treat a patient, and so why 1:22:38.120 --> 1:22:39.840 wouldn't you order a whole bunch of tests it may 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:42.639 or may not be needed, simply to cover your own ass. 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:48.599 Exactly right. And what makes that problem worse, if that's possible, 1:22:49.200 --> 1:22:53.880 is that insurance companies pay a fee for service. So 1:22:54.120 --> 1:22:59.599 there there is a liability, legal, regulatory pressure to test 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:04.160 test tests, but there's also a stantial incentive to test 1:23:04.240 --> 1:23:06.920 test test But here's the thing. You know, you know, 1:23:07.439 --> 1:23:13.080 informed voters make good choices. Informed patients can make good choices. 1:23:13.400 --> 1:23:16.840 So you know, if I understood, you're giving me this pill, 1:23:16.880 --> 1:23:19.080 you're giving me this shot, you want to do an 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:22.200 echo cardiogram even though I'm even though I'm here for 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:26.439 my foot, Explain to me the cost, because maybe if 1:23:26.479 --> 1:23:30.680 the cost is right, I might get the echo cardiogram 1:23:30.800 --> 1:23:33.320 because I won't be back at the hospital anytime soon. 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:35.519 So there's a problem to figure it out. Well, you 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:40.320 can't give the consumer the patient, uh, the menu with 1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:43.639 the price. Again, imagine going to a restaurant and sitting 1:23:43.640 --> 1:23:46.280 down to eat dinner with your family and the waiter says, 1:23:46.320 --> 1:23:49.000 what do you want? But there's no prices to the 1:23:49.160 --> 1:23:52.519 to the menu items. I'd walk out of that restaurant. 1:23:52.720 --> 1:23:56.759 But with hospitals, unfortunately, because we're sick, we're almost captured. 1:23:57.080 --> 1:23:59.920 I was in a hot I had a help you 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:03.200 break your leg, or you have cancer and aggressive what 1:24:03.439 --> 1:24:05.000 do you know? You shop around? You could take six 1:24:05.080 --> 1:24:06.960 months to get the best price going on price line 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:09.200 or you know consumer reports. What are we doing here? 1:24:09.600 --> 1:24:09.720 Right? 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:13.800 But that's again an excellent, excellent point. But the thing is, 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:19.479 once hospitals uh are held accountable for prices and this 1:24:19.680 --> 1:24:23.880 price transparency. You're right, when I'm sick in the emergency room, 1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:26.519 I can't shop around. But if the but if the 1:24:26.640 --> 1:24:30.000 ethos is created, the hospitals are posting, then when I 1:24:30.240 --> 1:24:32.560 when I do go in for something, elected when I 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:35.360 do go, uh, bring my you know my kid needs 1:24:35.400 --> 1:24:38.840 stitches and there are three hospitals within driving distance, I 1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:43.400 can then make choices and that will uh uh discipline 1:24:43.720 --> 1:24:48.040 the entire system because competition will be introduced. Imagine price 1:24:48.120 --> 1:24:52.280 competition again. I get it, emergency rooms, but even emerging 1:24:52.360 --> 1:24:55.519 room cost prices will come down if hospitals are forced 1:24:55.560 --> 1:24:56.479 to compete on prices. 1:24:56.880 --> 1:25:00.960 Makes sense. He's Jerry Rogers. Jerry is with real clear 1:25:01.040 --> 1:25:05.479 health and talking about why hospital services, just hospital calls 1:25:05.520 --> 1:25:07.800 have gone up over two hundred and twenty percent in 1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:10.479 the last twenty twenty five years, four times faster than inflation. 1:25:10.600 --> 1:25:14.040 We talk about pharmacy benefit managers of big farm insurance companies, 1:25:14.080 --> 1:25:16.200 but we got a factor of this and as well. Jerry, 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:19.120 all the best, Thanks for jumping in. Appreciate it all right, bye, 1:25:19.640 --> 1:25:21.960 Appreciate the info news on the way four or five 1:25:21.960 --> 1:25:24.800 minutes from now, and the very latest on what's going 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:28.200 on with Chief Watch in the city of Cincinnati. Our 1:25:28.280 --> 1:25:31.880 partners at WCPO nine broke the story yesterday that af 1:25:31.960 --> 1:25:36.600 Taed Peerval, this investigation into the chief and her suspension, 1:25:37.000 --> 1:25:42.000 her paid administrative leave anticipating her firing. The investigation is 1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:45.880 going to take months because, as you know, during investigations, 1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:49.840 you will always suspend someone and then you announced for 1:25:49.960 --> 1:25:53.200 doing the investigation. I don't know, I don't know what 1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:56.120 crime show. Maybe he's watching crime shows backwards. Normally it's like, hey, 1:25:56.160 --> 1:25:58.320 we have all these things and we have information, and 1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:00.800 then we make the chart just because we have all 1:26:00.800 --> 1:26:03.720 these details not not here. It gonna take months to 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:07.120 like basically well after the election, then we'll sort all 1:26:07.120 --> 1:26:09.800 this stuff out. God Almighty, every day something new. The 1:26:09.840 --> 1:26:13.519 Buffoonery Scott Sloan seven hundred penn station is turning up 1:26:13.560 --> 1:26:13.840 the heat. 1:26:14.000 --> 1:26:17.320 The Ghost Pepper Cheese, Steak, Premium Steak, Provolona and Fiery 1:26:17.360 --> 1:26:20.400 Ghost Pepper Cheese only here through November. Get it before 1:26:21.160 --> 1:26:24.360 take a look at your watch. It's Real Estate Time 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:29.880 with Michelle Sloan, Remax time agent extraordinaire from Sloan sellshomes 1:26:29.920 --> 1:26:34.080 dot com. Now pay attention and take notes. There might 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:37.519 be a pop quiz at the end. On seven hundred 1:26:37.680 --> 1:26:38.519 w l Jabad. 1:26:38.680 --> 1:26:39.960 No, I'm got to catch up with my wife on 1:26:40.000 --> 1:26:41.760 a Thursday Marrow. All the time, we talk all week. 1:26:42.479 --> 1:26:49.240 What's going on? Are you there? Oh my god, she's 1:26:49.280 --> 1:26:51.000 got Michelle Sloane come in. 1:26:51.680 --> 1:26:53.240 Hold on again. 1:26:54.520 --> 1:26:56.880 This is the problem that you bring your dog to work. 1:26:56.920 --> 1:26:58.960 How much work do you actually get done? That's the question. 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:00.479 Hi, I'm back. 1:27:00.600 --> 1:27:02.040 Does it bring your dog to workday. 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:04.720 It is bringing your dog to work day. And there's 1:27:04.800 --> 1:27:07.559 a dog next door to the office. I just tried 1:27:07.600 --> 1:27:10.719 to open the door. He's still scratching. I'm just gonna 1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:11.200 have to let it. 1:27:12.760 --> 1:27:14.760 Good boy, that's it. So he's got there's a dog 1:27:14.840 --> 1:27:16.400 next door, and he's got to go get that dog. 1:27:17.120 --> 1:27:19.160 Well, he also wants to come in because I locked 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:22.879 him out of the studio that I'm in in my office. 1:27:23.760 --> 1:27:26.400 And this is a new environment because we just made 1:27:26.439 --> 1:27:28.680 it a little bit of a change. There's so much 1:27:28.800 --> 1:27:29.479 change happening. 1:27:29.760 --> 1:27:34.000 Change, change, change, But that dog is not to be deterred. No, 1:27:35.040 --> 1:27:35.640 I'm trying to go. 1:27:35.760 --> 1:27:37.280 They have the bring your dog to work. How much 1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:42.599 work actually gets done? Actually, everybody do a lot of work. 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:47.280 Well in bandit if the garbage cans aren't put on desks, 1:27:48.080 --> 1:27:50.240 he's going to rummage through them to find it, to 1:27:50.280 --> 1:27:52.240 see if there's any crumb available. 1:27:52.320 --> 1:27:53.879 Got you, because he's a wee fat bastard. 1:27:57.000 --> 1:28:01.360 He's a good boy. Have we started? Are we on 1:28:01.479 --> 1:28:01.760 the air? 1:28:03.080 --> 1:28:04.760 Well, I'm just sitting here waiting for you to get 1:28:04.800 --> 1:28:06.880 your act together. You got dogs? You got I don't 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:11.479 know what's going on over there, but live radio. 1:28:11.600 --> 1:28:15.639 So yeah. Yeah. 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:17.720 My wife Michelle Sloan, in case you haven't notice, is 1:28:17.760 --> 1:28:21.000 here with with Bandit, who, by the way, is our 1:28:21.080 --> 1:28:24.559 our lovely dog. That is a distraction. Nonetheless, what are 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:27.320 we talking about besides dogs, dog dog problems? 1:28:27.800 --> 1:28:29.960 Well, we're talking about changes in the weather. You know, 1:28:30.080 --> 1:28:32.639 something happened last night when you were snoring? 1:28:33.000 --> 1:28:36.320 Yeah, do you know what it was? You were snoring louder? 1:28:36.920 --> 1:28:39.600 No, okay, no, the heat turned on. 1:28:40.479 --> 1:28:41.120 Oh you know what. 1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:44.080 I woke up, so yeah, we knew her house. So 1:28:44.320 --> 1:28:47.679 I woke up and I smelt something burning, Like immediately 1:28:47.720 --> 1:28:51.040 your radar goes off, like oh, and then my you know, my, 1:28:51.200 --> 1:28:53.760 my construction brain kicked and went. But the heat kicked on. 1:28:53.880 --> 1:28:57.120 It's the dust gets on the essentially the dust of 1:28:57.160 --> 1:29:01.280 collects in yeah yeah, yeah, on the heat exchanger, and 1:29:01.840 --> 1:29:03.680 once it kicks on for the season, it burns off. 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:06.400 So what you're smelling is basically just dead skin and 1:29:06.520 --> 1:29:09.479 dust mites and all that nasty stuff, and it burns up. 1:29:09.560 --> 1:29:11.600 So you're smelling that. But in the middle of the 1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:14.160 night when it kicks on, you're like, crap, what I'm 1:29:14.160 --> 1:29:17.040 waiting for the smoke detectors to go off and you know, 1:29:17.160 --> 1:29:19.080 I was on alert for a second and I realized, oh, yeah, 1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:21.559 it's kicking on because fast warning, and I went back 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:21.960 to sleep. 1:29:22.400 --> 1:29:23.880 Oh I know, I can't believe. 1:29:24.240 --> 1:29:27.000 So this was that was the first heat turned on 1:29:27.120 --> 1:29:29.880 because you had it on, you had the you had 1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:32.800 our thermostat set to both. 1:29:32.920 --> 1:29:34.200 Cool and heat. 1:29:34.320 --> 1:29:36.080 Yeah, it turned out on auto. This time of year, 1:29:36.080 --> 1:29:37.920 you never know in Cincinnati what you're going to get. 1:29:38.360 --> 1:29:41.599 Right, So that way, if it gets above a certain temperature, 1:29:42.600 --> 1:29:44.479 the air will come on. If it gets below a 1:29:44.560 --> 1:29:47.920 certain temperature, the heat will come on. So we don't 1:29:48.040 --> 1:29:52.479 know what it will be from hour to hour. We 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:54.479 could have heat overnight. 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:56.800 In the exactly I don't know. You don't know because 1:29:56.800 --> 1:29:58.960 it's Cincinnati. I will say this now this time of year, 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:01.360 you don't have to do this, but I like to 1:30:01.439 --> 1:30:06.400 set the fan on on in the winter to kind 1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:08.519 of bounced out because you have some cold spots maybe 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:11.040 and it'll you know, circulate the heat a little bit 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:11.960 better throughout the whole house. 1:30:13.240 --> 1:30:14.920 Okay, so on you like that? 1:30:15.200 --> 1:30:15.240 On? 1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:19.040 Who doesn't like it on on? But you know, I 1:30:19.120 --> 1:30:20.640 mean you could set it on auto. I suppose to 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:22.599 if you want. It depends on you know how old 1:30:22.640 --> 1:30:24.479 your windows are, how draft your walls are. I mean, 1:30:24.520 --> 1:30:27.120 there's a lot of considerations exactly. 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:28.640 And now's also a good time if you want to 1:30:28.680 --> 1:30:32.920 get a new thermostat. Honestly, sometimes if the thermostat isn't working. 1:30:33.040 --> 1:30:35.280 We've noticed this with our rentals and that sort of thing. 1:30:36.240 --> 1:30:40.000 The whole system gets wonky if that thermostatus has gone bad. 1:30:40.560 --> 1:30:43.800 Yep, yeah, yeah. We got a thermostat that like it 1:30:43.920 --> 1:30:45.840 was like a carrier furnace or something, and they don't 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:48.120 support it anymore. So I actually ordered a smart the 1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:51.200 thermostat to put in. And I'm in the process of, 1:30:51.800 --> 1:30:53.680 as you know, moving a new place, like okay, well 1:30:53.680 --> 1:30:56.080 you got change your locks and stuff, so I kind 1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:57.760 of did it. I want the smart route on our house, 1:30:57.880 --> 1:31:00.519 and now having some integrated locks and things like that 1:31:00.680 --> 1:31:03.479 just make it easier because we tend to sometimes be 1:31:03.560 --> 1:31:05.880 forgetful about locking doors and such, and you can look 1:31:05.920 --> 1:31:07.599 at it go oh yeah, the doors like garage doors 1:31:07.600 --> 1:31:08.400 down that kind of stuff. 1:31:08.600 --> 1:31:09.680 That's just an age thing. 1:31:10.600 --> 1:31:14.800 But programmable thermostats can also be very energy efficient, which 1:31:14.840 --> 1:31:17.599 I feel like is is something that we all need 1:31:17.880 --> 1:31:21.280 because the cost of everything is through the roof so 1:31:21.439 --> 1:31:24.920 there was another change that happened in our life. You 1:31:25.160 --> 1:31:31.080 actually have graduated from the scooter to a real shoe. 1:31:31.960 --> 1:31:36.320 I yeah, I saw my doctor, my pediatrist, doctor Samantha 1:31:36.400 --> 1:31:39.559 Baker at christ who's wonderful. Their staff is amazing, she's great. 1:31:39.760 --> 1:31:42.559 That a good sense of humor, too, up with your crap. 1:31:43.840 --> 1:31:45.679 So yeah, I did it in like less than six weeks, 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:48.799 which I think is pretty good. Went from the surgery 1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:51.680 to being able to walk around limp around a little bit. 1:31:51.800 --> 1:31:53.720 It's weird because my caf is like a little sore, 1:31:53.800 --> 1:31:55.960 but man, not having crutches. I talked about crutches the 1:31:56.000 --> 1:31:59.439 other day, Michelle that with all the medical inventions we have, 1:32:00.000 --> 1:32:01.960 take like a pig valve and put it in someone's heart, 1:32:02.000 --> 1:32:04.160 and we have all these ais running your body, and 1:32:04.240 --> 1:32:07.160 you've got this thing right, all this huge technology, the drugs, 1:32:07.160 --> 1:32:09.800 the pharmaceuticals, R and D. It's incredible, and yet we 1:32:09.920 --> 1:32:12.599 are still walking around with the device it was. I mean, 1:32:12.600 --> 1:32:14.559 it goes back to before the Civil War. The crutches. 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:17.360 It's the worst invention ever. They tear up your forearms, 1:32:17.400 --> 1:32:20.080 your arm pits or sore. You think we'd come up 1:32:20.120 --> 1:32:24.000 with something better That's my point is you think someone 1:32:24.040 --> 1:32:26.120 would be on top of that though, and there's isn't 1:32:26.120 --> 1:32:28.840 there a better crutch, a better way to design a crutch? 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:30.960 I mean, I have the knee scoot. You put your 1:32:31.000 --> 1:32:32.519 good knee on it or your bad knee on it, 1:32:32.560 --> 1:32:34.840 I guess, and rolled around, But that's kind of clunky. 1:32:34.880 --> 1:32:36.320 It's hard to get in another car. When I was 1:32:36.400 --> 1:32:39.120 dress started driving myself to work, I just take crutches 1:32:39.280 --> 1:32:43.000 because can't get it in and out. So, yeah, you 1:32:43.040 --> 1:32:44.560 think of something. I was like, there's there's gotta be 1:32:44.640 --> 1:32:47.479 something in the crutch realm that they're looking at, going, 1:32:47.520 --> 1:32:49.000 we're going to come up with a new crutch. 1:32:49.640 --> 1:32:51.240 Right, you know what, Maybe you should do that and 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:58.160 then we can retire. Let's do a medical invention that 1:32:58.320 --> 1:33:00.400 has never been imagined before. 1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:04.240 I really want to be. 1:33:05.840 --> 1:33:08.160 Yeah, I don't know what it would that would look like, Like, 1:33:08.560 --> 1:33:10.320 I'm not sure. There's gotta be some way to do that. 1:33:10.400 --> 1:33:12.360 A robotic type of foot thing. I don't know. I 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:14.240 don't know. I don't either outside of my scope. 1:33:14.760 --> 1:33:17.559 The reason why I talk about this change, so you're 1:33:17.640 --> 1:33:19.599 you're you're standing on two feet again. 1:33:20.280 --> 1:33:22.400 So that honeydew List baby is back. 1:33:22.880 --> 1:33:24.439 I know, wear out my other foot. 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:28.120 Now, no, we're not going to do that, but we 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:30.280 you know, and it is that time of year when 1:33:30.360 --> 1:33:32.360 we get when it gets cold, we have to think 1:33:32.400 --> 1:33:36.680 about okay, cold weather, getting our home prepped for the 1:33:36.800 --> 1:33:37.439 winter months. 1:33:38.080 --> 1:33:40.040 We don't want to hear about it, but we have to. 1:33:40.400 --> 1:33:42.760 You have to think about it. And now's the time. 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:46.520 We talked a little bit about your HVAC system, your HBAC, 1:33:46.840 --> 1:33:49.320 the heating and cooling systems. So you're going to be 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:52.400 there's really nothing to do right to turn off the 1:33:52.560 --> 1:33:55.840 AC or to winterize your AC unit. 1:33:56.000 --> 1:33:57.040 Is there No? 1:33:57.320 --> 1:34:00.360 Some people do put like 'l see people for their 1:34:00.400 --> 1:34:03.400 outdoor unit. You don't want to do that because it 1:34:03.479 --> 1:34:07.160 traps chat, traps moisture in there, which is bad for obviously, 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:10.280 you don't need to people. I've seen people do that before. 1:34:10.280 --> 1:34:11.680 It's like, yeah, I got to put a tarp on 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:14.080 top of my outdoor. You know the big fan, the 1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:16.880 big box that the condenser it's called. You want to 1:34:16.920 --> 1:34:18.640 leave that, leave that exposuing, like I said, you know 1:34:18.720 --> 1:34:21.360 in the winter. Now you know you could set auto 1:34:21.400 --> 1:34:22.800 in the winter. A lot of people do that, but 1:34:23.120 --> 1:34:24.960 I said, leave it on. But I would have to 1:34:25.040 --> 1:34:26.840 qualify that by saying, if you have a whole house 1:34:26.920 --> 1:34:29.400 humidifier that works a little bit better. If you have 1:34:29.439 --> 1:34:31.320 immnification system, you want to leave it on because you're 1:34:31.360 --> 1:34:33.960 humidifying the air, which is what you want, and it 1:34:34.040 --> 1:34:35.960 might reduce some cold spots and things like that. But 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:38.120 typically most people just leave it to auto when they're fine. 1:34:38.600 --> 1:34:41.120 And the basic, basic, most basic thing that you can 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:43.800 do is replace your furnace filter. 1:34:43.960 --> 1:34:46.439 Correct, you should be doing that. Checking that filter. You 1:34:46.520 --> 1:34:48.320 hold it up to like the light down in the basement, 1:34:48.360 --> 1:34:50.200 and if you can see through it it looks dirty, 1:34:50.240 --> 1:34:52.280 you're gonna replace it, that's all. If you can. If 1:34:52.280 --> 1:34:54.240 you can't see through it, you got real problems. You 1:34:54.320 --> 1:34:56.200 don't want that thing breaking down because it strains the 1:34:56.240 --> 1:34:59.240 motor and then in this expensive repair calum we're trying 1:34:59.240 --> 1:35:00.640 to save you money there, So don't do that. 1:35:01.200 --> 1:35:02.400 Absolutely, Okay. 1:35:02.560 --> 1:35:04.360 So the next thing I want to talk about, I 1:35:04.439 --> 1:35:07.519 want to go actually outside of your home because now 1:35:07.600 --> 1:35:10.840 we have the temperatures are nice enough during the day 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:13.800 to do some outside work, So now's a perfect time 1:35:14.520 --> 1:35:18.880 to clean up your yard and trim the trees and 1:35:19.000 --> 1:35:23.599 bushes around your house. You should never have vegetation touching 1:35:23.920 --> 1:35:27.600 your home because it can lead to bugs coming in, 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:30.880 animals coming in, the climb up the things. So you 1:35:31.000 --> 1:35:34.800 want at least a foot to two feet away from 1:35:35.080 --> 1:35:38.320 vegetation and your house. And so a lot of people 1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:41.200 they have their bushes and they're right up against the house. 1:35:41.200 --> 1:35:43.680 They're touching the house. They have trees with limbs that 1:35:43.760 --> 1:35:48.240 are overhanging onto your roof. When those big winds come 1:35:48.360 --> 1:35:51.960 like we had last week, we had some serious winds, 1:35:52.520 --> 1:35:55.920 and any of those branches that are a little bit brittle, 1:35:56.439 --> 1:35:59.160 they're going to fall on your roof. They could cause 1:35:59.240 --> 1:36:02.360 damage to your roof. So now is a perfect time 1:36:02.439 --> 1:36:05.599 if you have to hire somebody to help you make 1:36:05.680 --> 1:36:10.519 sure that the vegetation, any trees, shrubs, whatever, are at 1:36:10.640 --> 1:36:13.920 least I'm gonna say, at least two feet away from 1:36:13.960 --> 1:36:16.800 your home. The other thing is if you have that 1:36:17.080 --> 1:36:21.280 growing ivy that has gotten out of control and it 1:36:21.439 --> 1:36:26.120 is climbing up your the side of your house, and 1:36:26.720 --> 1:36:29.200 it is the one of the worst things. I've talked 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:33.519 to people who are brick layers who if you're gonna 1:36:33.600 --> 1:36:36.200 if it's gonna be coming up siding, it's gonna go 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:39.640 into and under the siding and into your walls and 1:36:39.800 --> 1:36:43.680 into your home. I've seen it crawl into gaps in 1:36:43.840 --> 1:36:47.719 people's windows, window wells. 1:36:48.640 --> 1:36:50.840 So yeah, I will destroy the brick. 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:51.800 It will. 1:36:52.000 --> 1:36:56.400 It takes away the mortar, and it's it's bad. It's 1:36:56.520 --> 1:36:56.880 just bad. 1:36:56.920 --> 1:36:58.960 And when I see us, there's a couple of our 1:36:59.320 --> 1:37:02.320 new neighbors that have ivy climbing up the front of 1:37:02.400 --> 1:37:05.479 their house. Actually, and some people think it looks really 1:37:05.600 --> 1:37:07.360 cool in old school and whatever. 1:37:08.680 --> 1:37:11.519 No, just say no to ivy. That's what that's my 1:37:11.880 --> 1:37:13.160 that's my tip for today. 1:37:13.320 --> 1:37:15.479 Well, eventually it's going to keep growing and growing. I wonder, 1:37:15.600 --> 1:37:17.160 does I've never seen it get to the point where 1:37:17.200 --> 1:37:17.640 gutters are I. 1:37:17.680 --> 1:37:21.559 Mean no, no, they've gone into attics before. I've seen actually, 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:24.080 I've seen it crawl into attics. I've seen it actually 1:37:24.160 --> 1:37:27.960 crawl through walls, through cracks and walls and on some 1:37:28.080 --> 1:37:31.200 of the really older homes in Cincinnati, and I've seen 1:37:31.280 --> 1:37:34.479 it crawl through. And then it's then they leave these 1:37:34.520 --> 1:37:39.680 little suckers behind the little their little tentacles, and it's 1:37:39.760 --> 1:37:42.840 a mess. So now's a good time. You know, you're 1:37:42.840 --> 1:37:45.240 going to have to make sure that you're cutting it 1:37:45.320 --> 1:37:47.280 off at the base, but then you have to remove it. 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:50.759 It may need some power washing. It's not an easy 1:37:51.360 --> 1:37:54.960 task to get rid of because it's pretty invasive. But 1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:58.320 it is so bad for your house. And so today's 1:37:58.720 --> 1:38:00.880 to my message today and I'm going to be talking 1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:04.200 about this on my podcast, just say no to ivy. 1:38:04.880 --> 1:38:07.200 Yeah, people see like you know, old homes in the 1:38:07.439 --> 1:38:10.479 Northeast at Wrigley Field. But keep in mind, you know 1:38:10.720 --> 1:38:13.600 that that that ivy wall is it's by design. It 1:38:13.640 --> 1:38:15.360 takes a lot of people to maintain. They maintain that 1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:17.840 all the time. It's built for that. Your house wall 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:20.320 for the ivy the house is veneer brick. So it's 1:38:20.320 --> 1:38:23.000 a whole different yeah. Yeah, and the English, the Boston 1:38:23.040 --> 1:38:24.920 ivy is terrible for your house too. And the other 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:28.639 thing too is it also will trap moisture against sighting, 1:38:28.760 --> 1:38:30.760 so you're looking at mold and rot and things like 1:38:30.840 --> 1:38:34.599 that as well termites. It's the whole as for disaster. 1:38:34.720 --> 1:38:35.439 You don't want to do it. 1:38:36.200 --> 1:38:39.400 No, Yes, So there you go if you if you 1:38:39.479 --> 1:38:42.760 want to tune in for me, just you have you 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:47.320 have at against green Bean castro all I have one 1:38:47.479 --> 1:38:48.280 against ivy. 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:51.000 I hate I hate the climbing ivy. 1:38:51.120 --> 1:38:52.519 You can cut it down and kill it and let 1:38:52.600 --> 1:38:54.640 it die and then kind of you know, fall and 1:38:54.960 --> 1:38:57.280 but the but the like the stickers remain behind. 1:38:57.080 --> 1:38:59.519 The little suckers will remain for quite a while. And 1:38:59.640 --> 1:39:01.720 that's and it looks bad too. 1:39:02.000 --> 1:39:04.080 I mean, why some people, you know, you're looking to 1:39:04.120 --> 1:39:06.240 go with ivy wall that's kind of stately and stuff, 1:39:06.280 --> 1:39:09.280 But it's it's a lot worse then. You know, the 1:39:09.520 --> 1:39:12.240 offset of the aesthetic is far worse. 1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:15.000 So if it's a garden wall, you know, if you 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:16.800 have a moat around your. 1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:19.600 House, well, now, if you really want to do it, 1:39:19.640 --> 1:39:21.720 you can attach a trellis and stand it off the 1:39:21.800 --> 1:39:22.439 side of the house. 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:24.760 But again, is it going to be at least a 1:39:24.800 --> 1:39:27.880 foot away from the house, because it's gonna climb, and 1:39:27.960 --> 1:39:30.360 it's gonna climb across your trellis and it's going to 1:39:30.400 --> 1:39:34.160 climb into your home and it's gonna no, just just 1:39:34.240 --> 1:39:34.519 say no. 1:39:34.680 --> 1:39:36.400 Well, and they're like, well, why did that even start 1:39:36.439 --> 1:39:38.759 in the first place. I didn't look at the history 1:39:38.800 --> 1:39:40.479 of it, but I would guess it's because back of 1:39:40.520 --> 1:39:42.479 the day people we're also lazy. 1:39:42.560 --> 1:39:48.080 It's well, absolutely, well, if you put ivy in your 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:52.040 in your landscaping beds, and it looks cool because it's 1:39:52.160 --> 1:39:56.360 just it climbed, It grows and it spreads and it's 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:57.599 not too tall. 1:39:57.800 --> 1:40:00.280 You're also spending We spent five minutes talking about that. 1:40:00.360 --> 1:40:03.280 Maybe seven people have so that's a lot of iv anymore. 1:40:03.320 --> 1:40:04.040 Do you see that much? 1:40:04.640 --> 1:40:05.200 I see it. 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:07.960 I'm telling you, okay, in your dreams, you see it anyway? 1:40:08.120 --> 1:40:10.280 What else you got? Cold weather home maintenance? Get rid 1:40:10.280 --> 1:40:12.680 of it, by the way. Let me remind you at 1:40:12.720 --> 1:40:14.439 some other point, because it's still I mean, it still 1:40:14.560 --> 1:40:17.439 very real. Early, make sure you take off the faucets 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:18.519 on the outside of your house. If youve got a 1:40:18.560 --> 1:40:21.680 hose attached to outdoor, a faucet, the hose bib, you 1:40:21.800 --> 1:40:23.880 got to take that off. Even if it's a frost 1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:28.040 free silcock. You got to unscrew that, take the hose off, 1:40:28.120 --> 1:40:29.560 and then take the hose and put it like in 1:40:29.640 --> 1:40:31.320 the garage, or make sure you drain it all the 1:40:31.360 --> 1:40:33.479 way too, because you know, you drag that in the 1:40:33.520 --> 1:40:35.320 garage or you put it wherever. It's still got water 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:37.760 and it's all nasty. So let the hoses drain out 1:40:37.840 --> 1:40:39.280 and then you know, put it down the driveway for 1:40:39.280 --> 1:40:41.200 a minute. Let's let gravity do its job well. 1:40:41.240 --> 1:40:43.479 And if you wait until it's frozen, it's harder to 1:40:43.560 --> 1:40:44.160 get that off. 1:40:44.240 --> 1:40:46.519 You say, you're not gonna Well, what happens is even 1:40:46.560 --> 1:40:49.360 though frost rat So what happens that the freezes inside 1:40:49.400 --> 1:40:53.280 the hose itself and then because cold water ice expands, 1:40:53.880 --> 1:40:56.000 it pushes itself back up the line into the house. 1:40:56.040 --> 1:41:00.759 And you don't want that. It creates that that generally freeze. 1:41:00.800 --> 1:41:02.800 It could wind up breaking a pipe on the inside 1:41:02.840 --> 1:41:04.439 of the house. So you know, even if you have 1:41:04.479 --> 1:41:06.439 a frost free one of these things most houses do, 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:08.120 and you may not if you have an older house. 1:41:08.680 --> 1:41:09.880 You just got to be aware of that and make 1:41:09.920 --> 1:41:11.680 sure you know, take the hostes off. It's the best 1:41:11.680 --> 1:41:12.160 thing you can do. 1:41:12.840 --> 1:41:14.920 Right exactly. Okay, how much time we have left? Because 1:41:14.960 --> 1:41:16.840 I do have like three or four more things. You 1:41:16.960 --> 1:41:18.200 talked about ivy way too long. 1:41:18.240 --> 1:41:19.880 So this is on you again. It's poor planning in 1:41:19.960 --> 1:41:20.240 your part. 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:23.040 It's like you, you, But I think it's pretty interesting. 1:41:23.080 --> 1:41:24.720 We got to get to the airport, Michelle ohing cawn, 1:41:24.800 --> 1:41:28.720 but I'm out of gas. Stopping that isn't anything to 1:41:28.840 --> 1:41:29.519 do with the house. 1:41:30.080 --> 1:41:31.800 Poor planning in your part. You spent way too much 1:41:31.840 --> 1:41:32.800 time talking about IVY. 1:41:33.840 --> 1:41:35.280 It's fine, it's fine. 1:41:35.400 --> 1:41:41.200 Get you get your carbon monoxide right, get your smoke detectives. 1:41:42.280 --> 1:41:44.439 You saved the time. We should save the carbon monoxide 1:41:44.439 --> 1:41:46.479 the smoke detectives for next week, when or when the 1:41:46.520 --> 1:41:48.160 time change happens, like a week or two. 1:41:49.280 --> 1:41:52.400 Okay, probably we're out of time. 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:55.200 Yeah, because your dog. Your dog is probably crapping in 1:41:55.240 --> 1:41:55.880 the corner right now. 1:41:56.000 --> 1:41:58.320 Oh no, he scratched up the door at the office. 1:42:00.040 --> 1:42:02.280 I can hear something else. You're gonna have to fix her. 1:42:02.320 --> 1:42:04.320 I'm just gonna have the rent here forever. 1:42:04.479 --> 1:42:07.320 Who fixes the stuff at your office? This guy? Great? Awesome? 1:42:07.400 --> 1:42:08.360 You can't control your doctor. 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:10.639 All right, you're feeling better and you have two legs. 1:42:10.720 --> 1:42:13.559 Now, now crawl, you're asked to work. My wife, who 1:42:13.640 --> 1:42:17.200 I love dearly, is Michelle Sloansloan Salesholmes dot Com, Open 1:42:17.240 --> 1:42:19.680 the House Show and Remax time in Mainville. You can 1:42:19.720 --> 1:42:22.000 catch the podcast be the iHeartRadio app. But of course 1:42:22.040 --> 1:42:24.240 the show on YouTube as well. There's fascinating guests and 1:42:24.240 --> 1:42:27.240 stuff too. She does hours and upon hours talking about IVY. 1:42:27.800 --> 1:42:29.400 All right, I gotta get going. I'll see you later. 1:42:29.400 --> 1:42:31.240 I love you. 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