1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Good morning from South Dakota. Airplanes landing on top of toyotas. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: What'll they think of next? Everyone, have a great day. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Good morning, Jimmy Sangenberger here with you on a Friday. 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: It is ka in for Michael Brown. The situation with 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Michael Brown, with so much to talk about, and Dragon 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Redbeard in fact behind the glass. How you doing there, brother, 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: I'm good, buddy yourself. You know I'm doing all right. 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: You're little frazzled this morning running around. It's been crazy. 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: This week is absolutely crazy. And we got a gig tonight, 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: The Jimmy Junior Blues Band is playing at in the 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: Zone in Golden from seven to eleven pm. And after 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: this I gotta go get equipment from up north to 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: bring to Golden And so, you know, crazy afternoon and 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: lots lots happening more on this show that we've got 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: tonight at in the Zone later on in the program. 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: But it would be absolutely great time. I always love 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: playing harmonica and you know, being up there on stage 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: doing the blues with the Jimmy Junior Blues Band, and 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: we're going to have a great time. But Dragon, I 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: want to start off with an apology. Well, real quick. 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: Is there a chance that wis Oh, sure, get some harmonica? 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: Maybe you know I've got the briefcase full of blues 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: right here. I can't not have the briefcase full of 24 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: blues with me, and if I don't on a given day, 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: you have my permission to scold me, both on and 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: off air, can do so. Yes, there may be a 27 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: harmonica serenade, and that would absolutely be worth a very 28 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: very important, necessary apology. But I'm also going to offer 29 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: an apology. I'm going to offer an apology to the 30 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: host of this program, Michael Brown, for how much of 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: a jerk you were to him the other day. 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: Me. 33 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course exactly. But I'm apologizing for your behavior 34 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: to Michael Brown. I'm announcing that I'm doing this, but 35 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: you may not accept. So may not Governor Polis or 36 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Attorney General Phil Wiser, or Dan Rubinstein, the district attorney 37 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: in Mason County. Over the fact that apology is kind 38 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: of like pardon me when the President of the United 39 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: States issues a pardon that he does not have the 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: authority to. Oh, it's kind of like me saying I'm 41 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: apologizing to Michael for the daily jurgree that you bring 42 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: I have no jurisdiction over your apologies and Michael Brown's feelings. 43 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: But guess what, Donald Trump doesn't have any authority to 44 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: pardon the disgraced former of Mesa County, Tina Peters, who 45 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: was convicted by a jury of her appears in a 46 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: die hard Republican county where Donald Trump in twenty twenty 47 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty four one two to one. And in fact, 48 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: you don't just have to take my word for it 49 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: that this is a state charge and he can't really 50 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: do anything about it. Why don't you take his from September, 51 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: listen to this. 52 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: They arrested her, said to the people that did the cheating, 53 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: it's a state charge, so it's hard to do anything 54 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: with But we're gonna we're gonna do something what they 55 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: did in Colorado. 56 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: Wow, you know, something is gonna be maybe performative stuff. 57 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: Maybe it's symbolic like this pardon eventually came about. He 58 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: knows that this is a state charge, that these are 59 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: state conviction, four felonies, three misdemeanors, and he has no jurisdiction. Now, 60 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: how do we know that Trump has no jurisdiction yet, Nah, 61 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: he might do something like this despite that fact and 62 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: that nothing will come of something like this. Well, let's 63 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: go back to earlier last month, in mid November, when 64 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: a pardon was granted to seventy seven different people regarding 65 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: January sixth and twenty twenty stuff. Sidney Powell, John Eastman 66 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: were among them. Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows is chief of staff, 67 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: a very broad language pardon for crimes that are mostly 68 00:04:53,800 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: state crimes, which meant he didn't have the authority. And 69 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: how do we know nothing has come of it? Literally, 70 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: anybody who may have been in jail or prison for 71 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: crimes that were at the state level that were included 72 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: in this part and are still in jail or prison. 73 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: So those who are thinking that Tina Peters is suddenly 74 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: going to be set free because federal marshals are going 75 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: to show up at the doorstep of the Department of 76 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: Corrections prison facility in Pueblo, Colorado, have another thing coming. 77 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: Because that isn't going to happen. I mean, sure, there's 78 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: an off chance it could, but it's not. We haven't 79 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: seen it anywhere else. This is, more than anything, an 80 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: opportunity for President Trump to tell Tina Peter's supporters I 81 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: did it. I gave the pardon, and you know what, 82 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm putting on all kinds of pressure to Governor Polis 83 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 1: to release t Peters. And he's not complying. I'm saying, 84 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: free Tina. He's not doing it. If you saw this 85 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: statement from the governor last night about this, you clearly, 86 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: clearly he is now digging in his his feet, he's 87 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: digging in deeper into Look, I really thought that there's 88 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: a big chance that police would end up doing this. 89 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: I've been telling people, I think this was a high possibility. 90 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: In fact, I thought it was more likely than not 91 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: that police was going to do something, whether that was 92 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: going to be authorized the transfer of Tina Peters from 93 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: state custody to federal custody, as the Trump administration had 94 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: requested a couple weeks back. I thought that and another alternative, 95 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: maybe he'd commute the sentence to get grant a full pardon, 96 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: but he'd do something and he'd horse trade it. He'd 97 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: get something from the White House in exchange for doing that. Well, 98 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: now I don't think that's the case at all, because 99 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: Trump just put this out there bigly and gave every 100 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: reason for Jared Polis to say no. Because Now this 101 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: is a fight. This is he has the chance to 102 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: become known for pushing back against Trump's attempt to get 103 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: an election denier out of prison. Like the Democrat narrative around, 104 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: this is pre baked, pre baked. But Polis said on 105 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: X quote tena. Peters was convicted by a jury of 106 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: her peers, prosecuted by a Republican district attorney, and found 107 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: guilty of violating Colorado state laws, including criminal impersonation. No 108 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: president has jurisdiction over state law, nor the power to 109 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: pardon a person for state convictions. This is a matter 110 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: for the courts to decide, and we will abide by 111 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: court orders. He's digging in now, folks, And in fact, 112 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: I would suggest that this is backfiring if you actually 113 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: want Tina Peters out of prison, because that's not happening now. 114 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: There was a chance. You could have asked me a 115 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: couple of days ago. So you're saying there's a chance, 116 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: and I would have said, yeah, hell yeah, there is. 117 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: I think Polish might cave. Now I don't think you will, 118 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: and federal marshals ain't showing up at the Pueblo prison 119 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: to get Tina Peters. Here's what would happen. In that scenario, 120 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: the state and the Attorney General would say, no, you 121 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: have no jurisdiction here, run along now. Then the FEDS 122 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: might file in court. I think it would be the Fed. 123 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: Maybe Tina Peter's legal team could do it. Then it 124 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: goes to district court and that drags on for a 125 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: long time. Then it finally gets maybe to an appeals 126 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: court after they lose, and then you know, year down 127 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: the line, you a petition to the Supreme Court say hey, 128 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: will you take this case and they say no, we're 129 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: we're not going to take the case, which means the 130 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: lower court, the Court of Appeals decision would stand, but 131 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: it will take months even years for this to work 132 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: through the system. Then there's the habeas corpus case, where 133 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: the Tina Peters legal team had gone in court and said, hey, 134 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: we want to exercise her right to habeas corpus and 135 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: have you re examine what's going on and do this 136 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: whole thing over her appeal and so forth. I'm not 137 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: going to get into those details. And that case was 138 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: dismissed last week by a judge who said, I don't 139 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: have the ability to address this. Yes, he said, we 140 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: do have some constitutional issues, some serious constitutional questions that 141 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: are raised here, but I don't have the jurisdiction. Now, 142 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: by the way, raising serious constitutional questions does not mean 143 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: that they actually have merit that the answers to those 144 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: questions would be yes, you guys are right. Whereas Tina 145 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: Peters folks are all like, hey, look, there's a little 146 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: little bit that we can take away from this dismissal. 147 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: There's an opportunity here. Here is the dirty little secret 148 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: about the cottage industry of stolen elections. This is all 149 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: a big grift. All of these people are going to 150 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: continue to make money off of the promise that if 151 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: you just do this, if you just do that, if 152 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: we take this step now, then Tina will be free. 153 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: Just help us, support us. It's absurd, it's deceptive, and 154 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: it's not realistic in any way, shape or form. Again, 155 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: we heard from Trump. 156 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: They arrested her said, of the people that did the cheating, 157 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: it's a state charge, so it's hard to do anything with. 158 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he has acknowledged before previously he can't pardon for 159 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: state crimes. So this is performative and nothing more than that. Now, 160 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: last week over on her sister station K how I 161 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: interviewed Dan Rubinstein, the Republican District Attorney of Mesa County 162 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: who prosecuted this case. And you know, President Trump has 163 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: made certain claims about what happened. In his pardon announcement 164 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: last night, he made the assertion, the Democrats have been 165 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: relentless and they're targeting of Tina Peters, a patriot who 166 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: simply wanted to make sure that our elections were fair 167 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: and honest. Today, I am granting Tina a full pardon 168 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: for her attempts to expose voter fraud in the rig 169 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty presidential election. Guess what he is saying. He's 170 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: pardoning her not just for stake stuff, but for a crime. 171 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: She was not convicted of ladies and gentlemen. She was 172 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: convicted of three felony counts of attempts to impersonate or 173 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: excuse me of attempts to influence public officials. She was 174 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: convicted of a felony count of conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation, 175 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: and then three misdemeanors, only one of which is actually 176 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: an election related crime, because all the crimes were what 177 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: she did around this. She got credentials for an IT 178 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: contractor by lying to people spinning stories, then took the 179 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: credentials from that IT contractor without his knowledge and gave 180 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: him to a. 181 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 4: Former pro surfer turned computer hacker named Conan Hayes, who 182 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 4: went in surreptitiously pretending to be that IT contractor. 183 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: And copied the election server hard drive before and after 184 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: and then a software update, and then the material got 185 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: leaked online all of the oh and by the way, 186 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: she shut off their surveillance cameras before all of this 187 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: classic moves. District Attorney Dan Rubinstein with me on Ka 188 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: refuting some of the things from President Trump about this. 189 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: To characterize any of this as she was trying to 190 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: preserve election records, not a single one of the crimes 191 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: she was convicted of was necessary for her to preserve 192 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: any records. The first of all, Secretary of State had 193 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: already directed her how to preserve the election records. She 194 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: claims that there was more than just what the Secretary 195 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: of State wanted her to preserve that she wanted to get, 196 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: but either way, she had made the first image on 197 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: a Sunday when nobody was around. She brought this guy, 198 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: Conin James Hayes into the tabulation room and made it 199 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: before the software upgrade image, and then the second image 200 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: was made after the Secretary of State people finished their 201 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: software upgrade, So there was nothing about any of the 202 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: crimes she committed that had anything to do with protecting records. 203 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: She could have protected the records exactly the same way, 204 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: probably unlawfully, but not for the crimes she committed by 205 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: doing what she did, of just making a before and 206 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: after image. The proper way to go about it, of course, 207 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: is to, you know, if the Secretary of State won't 208 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: let you do it, you file an action in district 209 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: court and say we need to preserve these things and 210 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: we want the court to order the Secretary of State 211 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: to allow us to do it. But even if she 212 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: didn't do that, she'd still preserved all the records without 213 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: having to lie to a bunch of officials, steal our 214 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: pass codes, put them on the internet. All those things 215 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: happened independently of her getting the before and after image. So, 216 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: you know, characterizing it as it was necessary to protect 217 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: the records, it clearly was not necessary, not at all, 218 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: not by any long shot, not by any version. As 219 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: far as she's trying to stop Democrats from dealing votes. 220 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: I mean, there was no election that was going on, 221 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: and did she thinks that the election in Mason County 222 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: was rigged. No. At the actually at her own sentencing, 223 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: she said she didn't find a single irregularity. She can 224 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: find a single vote that was changed, not one. And 225 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: I mean, if she's claiming that the Mason County election 226 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: was rigged, she claiming that President Trump didn't win Mason County. 227 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: Of course he did. 228 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, he won two to one, and yet it was 229 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: rigged somehow. One more thing, because I got to go 230 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: to a brag. Dan Rubinstein also had this point in 231 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: the discussion that I raised, Well, just take a listen. 232 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: As the clerk and recorder of Masa County, you're required 233 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: to hold the actual physical paper ballots for twenty five 234 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: months after the election. In January of twenty twenty one, 235 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: one of the county commissioners you mentioned before, Cody Davis, 236 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: went her and said, hey, let's do a hand recount, 237 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: just to be sure. We'll cover it. We'll cover the 238 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: cost as a county. And she said, no, we don't 239 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: need to do that, nothing to worry about, and instead 240 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: proceeded to do this election security breach. She could have 241 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: recounted the paper ballots that were in her possession, Dan Rubinstein. 242 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we still have the balance. So you know, 243 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: the computer version is just a computer scanned version of 244 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: the paper copies that we still have. 245 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: Exactly. The computer version is a computer scanned version of 246 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: paper copies that they still have. And by the way, 247 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: they could potentially recount again if they wanted to. I'll 248 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: get to your text We've got a lot of them 249 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: coming in as we continue KOA Common Spirit Health a 250 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: text line here on a program of course five sixty 251 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: six and nine zero. I'm Jimmy sang In Bergreen for 252 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: Michael Brown. 253 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 5: KOA, Jimmy, all this goes to show that it's all 254 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 5: about the team. 255 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: If a Democrat does. 256 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 5: It, and it's the Democrats, it's fine, and we're becoming 257 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 5: no different than Republicans. Uh, they say we stole the 258 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 5: election from Al Gordon Hillary Clinton, Well we do the 259 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 5: same thing for Donald J. 260 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: Trump. 261 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 5: And then some. 262 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: Jimmy sang In Burger with you in for Michael Brown 263 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: on KOA. Yeah, if that's fair that I think that's 264 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: absolutely a valid point and analogy to make five sixty 265 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 1: six nine zero the KOA Commics Spirit Health text line. 266 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: The texts have been blowing up. Let me get to 267 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: a couple of them here, and I want to get 268 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: to one that somebody says I don't talk about on 269 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: the air because I can't make sense of it. There 270 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: is no way anyone in Colorado can make sense of 271 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: people getting probation for killing people and people getting nine 272 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: years for record tampering. You don't talk about that on 273 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: the air because you can't make sense of it. Actually 274 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: I can make sense of it. We have a law 275 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: and order republican district attorney in Mason County and we 276 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: have left wing, progressive das and other counties other parts 277 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: of the state. There's the difference to start. Now, that 278 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: doesn't mean in that you know, a rock ribbed conservative 279 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: jurisdiction won't give a sentence that we're in a reach 280 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: a plead deal with somebody that might be less than 281 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: one might expect, But that can happen on a case 282 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: by case basis. By and large, what you're talking about 283 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: is not in Mason County. It's in a place like 284 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: Denver or Rabbaho or other jurisdictions where you have these progressive, 285 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: soft on crime das. Should the district attorney in a 286 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: Republican county who is all about law and order. Are 287 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: you seriously asking him to just forget that and go 288 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: along with what the progressive das do when it comes 289 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: to crime, because I don't think that makes sense. Now, 290 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: let's be clear about something too, This is really important. 291 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: Peena Peters is serving eight and a quarter years in 292 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: prison and served half a year in jail. Now, I say, 293 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, when I round up, I say nine years 294 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: behind bars, because it's only a little over eight years 295 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: in prison. Then there's some in jail, and there is 296 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: a big difference between the two. Now, and I've confirmed 297 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: this with the DA, Tina Peters will be eligible for 298 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: parole in the beginning of twenty twenty eight, eligible for 299 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: parole after three years ish in prison three and a 300 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: half years behind bars. Now, for what she did, four 301 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 1: felonies and three misdemeanors, she could have gotten twenty years, 302 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: just shy of twenty years in prison in jail, and 303 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: she didn't. She got what I said, just shy of 304 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: nine years behind bars, and she's eligible for parole after 305 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: three in prison. So January February something like that, early 306 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. Not only that her lawyers have made 307 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: claims that she's having medical issues, that things are difficult. Well, 308 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: guess what, there's a process called special needs parole specifically 309 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: meant for inmates when they have medical issues that are 310 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: legitimate to go through to get out early. Tina was 311 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: never really expected to spend more than three and a 312 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: half years in prison. And guess what, that's fair, that's right, 313 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: that's justice, that's appropriate. And the comparisons to other cases 314 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: just don't fly. They just don't fly. And yet I 315 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: keep per it over and over again. Now this is 316 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: big national news with Trump saying he's pardoning Tina Peters. Again, 317 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: doesn't get you anywhere, because the president can't pardon. Now, 318 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: there is one possible idea of an exception. The text 319 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: coming in Trump's pardon of Tina Peters prevents future federal prosecutions, 320 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: so serves a purpose. Well, it depends on what he 321 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: actually says the pardon is for, because, for example, none 322 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: of the crimes that she was convicted of apply here, 323 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: even at a state level to what he said was 324 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: his justification for this what he was doing. 325 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: So I. 326 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: Don't think that gets you anywhere. Actually I thought about that, well, 327 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: maybe this will protect her from future federal prosecutions in 328 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: another administration because there's been a federal investigation into this. 329 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: My understanding is one of the reasons that the DA's 330 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: office didn't really pursue some of the things that they 331 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: could have against unindicted co conspirators in this case the 332 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: state level was because there were federal issues they could 333 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: that that were really implicated here and that the Feds 334 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: would have to handle. And there has been a federal 335 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: investigation into this, So I don't know. I find the 336 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: whole discussion of this to be missing significant context and 337 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: actual information, and it is unfortunate that people are being deceived, 338 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: and meanwhile the people who are doing the deceiving keep 339 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: making all kinds of money with the promise that something 340 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: else is going to happen. Just wait, just wait, whether 341 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: it's I'm getting Tina Peters out of prison or the 342 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: next evidence of twenty twenty that's supposedly gonna drop, it 343 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 1: never comes. It's an absurd world in my view. Well, 344 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna move on. There's so much more to talk about. 345 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: Appreciate the text five sixty six nine zero and the 346 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: KOA Common Spirit Health text line. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in 347 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: for Michael Brown on KOA. 348 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 5: As much as I despise Jared Poulis and Jenna Griswold, 349 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 5: I'm at the point where I'm saying that Tina Peters 350 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 5: should just serve the full ten years in prison, and 351 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 5: if along the way she buys the farm in prison, hey, 352 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 5: so be it. And if Jared Jenni Grizzwold want to 353 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 5: tend their funeral to rub it in, let them. 354 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: I would if I were in their shoes. Yeah, well, 355 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens how much time Tina Peters will 356 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: indeed serve in the I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown. 357 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on KOA. And look, 358 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: today there is a new editorial out for the Gazette 359 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: entitled Bigger Name, Broader Mission for Energy Lab. And this 360 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: might have gone under your radar a little bit. I 361 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: think it's really significant. The National Renewable Energy Lab has 362 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: been renamed by the Trump administration. Now, this lab is 363 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: based in Golden It's a Golden, Colorado lab. It's one 364 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: of the largest employers in Jefferson County. Well Enral has 365 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: been renamed the National Laboratory of the Rockies by the 366 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: Trump administration. Fantastic news, I mean. And what's interesting about 367 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: this too, and the editorial opens with this, is that 368 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: when President George H. W. Bush renamed the Solar Energy 369 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: Research Institute the National Renewable Energy Lab in nineteen ninety one, 370 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: he touted outstanding progress that the facility in Golden had accomplished, 371 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: noting that the redesignation is a national lab reflected quote 372 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: a commitment to finding new ways to produce and use 373 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: energy that is cleaner, more efficient, and more sustainable. So 374 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: that was an evolution of the institute to the laboratory. Well, 375 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: now thirty five years later just about is another evolution, 376 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: changing with the times, just as a scientific institute should do. 377 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: The Assistant Secretary of Energy Audrey Roberts Robertson said, quote, 378 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: the energy crisis we face today is unlike the crisis 379 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: that gave rise to ENRAL, basically referring to the origins 380 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: of the lab after the global oil crisis of the 381 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. We are no longer picking and choosing energy sources, 382 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: which is fantastic news. You shouldn't be And the Trump 383 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: administration has a much broader vision here on energy policy. 384 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: Just go to the gas tank. And notice how much 385 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: less you are paying now than a month ago, two 386 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: months ago, a year ago when Biden was still president. 387 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: And you know that the energy policies of the Trump 388 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: administration are clearly superior to anything that Biden was doing. 389 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: That it is a reversal of a disaster, but also 390 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: moving ahead in the right direction. The Trump administration really 391 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: is just giving the lab an overdue update, almost thirty 392 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: five years after the last one. The revamped name and 393 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: mission advances the Trump Administration's laudable goal of achieving energy 394 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: dominance by slashing ideologically motivated regulations and limiting barriers that 395 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: inflate energy prices. This is excellent news because what it 396 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: will do, what it is already doing, is allowing for 397 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: the greater unleashing of America's energy potential. And we have 398 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: to look to a Colorado and through and through Chris Wright, 399 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: Secretary of Energy, and all the wealth of experience he 400 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: brings as a founder former CEO of Denver based Liberty Energy. 401 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: He gets the complexities of the regulatory landscape, the burdensome costs, 402 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: as the editorial says, and the need to unleash every 403 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: energy source at our disposal. It is a vision that 404 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: we are seeing now embodied in the renaming of the 405 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: National Laboratory of the Rockies, recognizing that the mission needs 406 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: to be much broader than a very narrow renewable energy mandate. 407 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: This isn't just about solar and wind. This is about 408 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: nuclear and gas, oil and gas and clean coal, all 409 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: of the above energy approach that the Trump administration is 410 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: moving forward with full speed ahead under the leadership of 411 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: Energy Secretary again Colorado, Chris Wright. Excellent news. Check out 412 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: today's editorial. Really interesting stuff, bigger name, broader mission for 413 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: energy lab. That's in the Denver Gazette and the Gazette, 414 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: And of course I'm a regular columnist for the Denver Gazette. 415 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: New column out today which I'll talk about later on 416 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: in the program. But we are done with the first hour. 417 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: Two more hours yet to go. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger Filly 418 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: in for Michael brand On k o A.